#2486 - Luis J Gomez

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2486 – Luis J. Gomez

Date: April 21, 2026
Summary by Podcast Summarizer AI

---

Episode Overview

In this lively and wide-ranging episode, Joe Rogan welcomes comedian, podcast entrepreneur, and Skankfest impresario Luis J. Gomez. The two dive deep into the modern comedy scene, internet culture, health and wellness, government inefficiency, the bizarre future of AI, drugs, lucid dreaming, social media’s effects, and everything in between. Expect trademark JRE tangents, rants, laughs, and surprisingly philosophical moments.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

---

1. Performing for Big Audiences vs. Small Rooms

[00:41–03:33]

• Rogan and Gomez compare the thrill of playing massive arenas (20,000 seats) with the intimacy—and sometimes anxiety—of small clubs.
• Rogan: “I would way rather perform to 20,000 people than 100. ... It’s much more nerve-wracking to make eye contact with your fans in a half-sold room.”
• Small crowds make weak material obvious (“You feel like you’re delivering them horseshit”).

---

2. Internet Culture & Everyone Having an Opinion

[03:08–05:43]

• Social media magnifies negative opinions and “hot takes,” fueled by boredom and the performative need to use one's voice even on topics outside one’s interests.
• Gomez: “There are far too many people out there dwelling on things they do not like versus things they like. This life is fucking short.”

---

3. Aging, Health, & the Mediterranean Lifestyle

[05:29–07:43]

• Reflections on aging, fitness, and cultural diet differences—old Italians living long, healthy lives while eating carbs, bread, gelato, drinking wine, and smoking.
• Rogan describes losing weight on vacation in Italy, despite eating more gluten, and suggests "we are being poisoned" in America.

---

4. Food Safety, Glyphosate, and Policy Resistance

[09:43–13:38]

• The dangers and prevalence of glyphosate (an herbicide) in American food, contrasted with European standards.
• Cites RFK Jr.'s efforts to restrict its use, resistance from corporations, and government reluctance.
• Discussion of American wheat versus Italian wheat—complex glutens, glyphosate residue, and differing digestive experiences.

---

5. Sober Living, Weed, and Performance States

[14:14–17:13]

• Gomez and Rogan talk about cycles of sobriety, drinking (Shane Gillis stories), and the role of weed in athletic and creative performance.
• Many jiu-jitsu practitioners—and comedians—use weed to enhance flow and creativity, but Rogan notes, “being completely sober is the best version of everyone.”
• They muse on the value of changing one's state and the danger of getting stuck to a single identity.
• Rogan [17:00]: “Somebody called me out on Twitter today... ‘You flip-flop constantly on things.’ I was like, ‘You mean I’ve grown?’”

---

6. The Value of Admitting You're Wrong/Public Conversations

[17:13–19:08]

• Discuss social shame about changing opinions, especially in public discourse.
• Gomez (approx 17:47): “If you have conversations publicly, then the whole world can essentially go, ‘No, you’re wrong.’ ... The only thing you can do if you want to keep any credibility is say, ‘This is what I thought, and this is why I thought it, but I don't think that anymore, and I was wrong.’”
• Internet speeds up reaction, reduces time for reflection.

---

7. Pre-Internet vs. Today: Information Overload and Anonymity

[20:05–24:09]

• Contrast between life before and after the Internet in terms of news, opinion formation, and expression.
• The nostalgia of digesting the news over several days rather than in minutes.
• Old forms of anonymous expression: bathroom walls, graffiti, ham radio ("Pump Up the Volume").
• “The Internet is the best and the worst thing that’s ever happened ... now all the monkeys can scream.” (Gomez, 18:55)

---

8. Podcasting, Platforms, and Censorship

[23:07–27:43]

• Censorship and demonetization on YouTube during pandemic, rise of platforms like Rumble, and the importance of independent platforms (e.g., Gas Digital, Rogan’s Spotify move).
• Advantages and tradeoffs of putting content behind paywalls vs. in the free market.

---

9. Viral Culture, Short Memory, & Outrage Cycles

[28:22–29:24]

• The public’s short attention span (Ukraine war, ICE, etc.), media cycles, and performative outrage.
• Rogan: "The Internet has turned people into... whatever’s in front of them, that’s what they care about."

---

10. AI Technology, Surveillance, and Deepfakes

[33:10–37:38]

• Governments likely possess advanced AI far beyond public consumer tools—implications for surveillance, potential for mischief (AI-generated phone calls, deepfakes).
• Emotional impact of AI chatbots in personal/familial contexts (Gomez describes “talking” to his deceased mother using ChatGPT, [37:07]).
• Worries about AI forging communications for entrapment or manipulation.

---

11. Cultural Evolution, Tribalism, & Political Identity

[47:54–50:13]

• Humans’ hardwired tribal mentality, why identity politics are seductive, religious certainty, and the difficulty of changing minds on deeply held topics (e.g., abortion, faith).
• Gomez: “We're hardwired for the olden days... That’s why it’s so easy to get people to join a team.”

---

12. Abortion, Faith, and Moral Complexity

[50:10–56:21]

• Candid discussion about personal views on abortion, parenthood, when life begins, and how religious belief truly shapes people's worldviews.
• Acknowledgment of the complexities and inability to convince those with sincerely held beliefs.

---

13. Government Inefficiency, Taxes, Homelessness, and Non-Profits

[69:08–80:57]

• Debunking the myth that government spending and NGO funding efficiency solves social problems (e.g., LA's homeless spending, aid misallocation during Pacific Palisades fire—see [76:46]).
• Widespread fraud, lack of clear auditing, escalating state spending with little improvement.
• Critique of government jobs growth outpacing private sector, regulation for the sake of regulation.

---

14. Wealth, Motivation, & CEO Pay

[105:12–111:58]

• The rise in number of billionaires (from 13 in 1982 to 989 in 2026).
• Debate over wealth caps, CEO salaries, and the responsibility of huge corporations to their workers.
• Gomez: “When I hear about billionaires, I’m going like, How do I do that?...It’s magic.”

---

15. Drugs: Legalization, Efficacy, and Cultural Difference

[161:06–164:21]

• Push for psychedelic research/therapy (especially ibogaine for soldiers and trauma), historical drug schedules, and how prohibition is more political than health-based.
• Differences between American and South American attitudes toward stimulants (coca leaves), alcohol, and why societal context matters.

---

16. ADHD: Disease or Superpower?

[166:00–168:36]

• Gomez openly discusses his ADHD, the anxiety it brings with mundane tasks, and how it’s also a creative asset.
• Rogan: "That’s a superpower, dude. It’s stupid that that’s a disease."
• Both argue that the ability to hyperfocus on passions shouldn’t be pathologized.

---

17. AI, Simulation Theory & Lucid Dreaming

[142:04–151:49]

• Discussion on the coming blurring of realities with advanced AI, VR, and simulation theory.
• Lucid dreaming stories—Gomez flying in dreams, fearing that if lucid dreaming was easy, people might prefer dream life to real life.
• AI-made movies (Gossip Goblin cited) allow pure creative vision; movie-making is changing rapidly.

---

Memorable Quotes & Moments

---

• On Op-Ed Warriors:
  "Spending all your time dwelling on things that aren't for you is so crazy."
  — Jamie Vernon, [02:59]

• On Flipping Opinions:
  "Somebody called me out on Twitter today... 'You flip-flop constantly.' I was like: 'You mean I've grown?'"
  — Rogan, [17:00]

• On Society’s Quick Judgments:
  "People want to pretend they're smarter than they are. ... Everybody wants to pretend they're fucking smarter than they are. We're all talking monkeys."
  — Jamie Vernon, [18:47]

• On Billionaire Motivation:
  “If you stop that, you’re going to stop iPhones, you’re not going to have Lenovo laptops, you’re not going to have any of these things if... that’s where it’s weird for people.”
  — Jamie Vernon, [70:06]

• On AI and Deepfakes:
  “They can have it talk to you now. ... AI, Louis J. Gomez. You could talk to Louis J. Gomez and it would be like you talking to yourself.”
  — Jamie Vernon, [36:37]

• On ADHD:
  "You're allergic to boring shit. I don't think that's a disease. ... That's a superpower, dude."
  — Rogan, [167:10]

• On Modern Regulations:
  “Those are the days. The original doxing.”
  — Jamie Vernon, [47:06] (on bathroom graffiti)

---

Timestamps for Notable Segments

• [00:41] — Arenas vs. clubs in stand-up
• [03:08] — Internet’s negative opinion culture
• [07:21] — Italian food experience; American diet critique
• [09:43] — Glyphosate, food policy, and health rants
• [14:14] — Sober living, performance states, and substance cycles
• [17:00] — The art of changing your mind publicly
• [24:39] — Rise of independent platforms in comedy
• [28:22] — Outrage cycles, short public memory
• [33:10] — AI, surveillance, and future scams
• [36:37] — Deepfakes, AI Joe Rogan, and dead relatives via AI
• [47:54] — Human tribalism and identity politics
• [50:13] — Religion, abortion, and irreconcilable worldviews
• [69:08] — Government inefficiency and "homeless spending"
• [105:12] — Billionaires: then vs. now, motivational pros and cons
• [142:04] — Lucid dreaming stories and simulation theory
• [166:00] — ADHD as creative superpower, not just disorder

---

Overall Tone & Style

• Signature JRE style: Casual, uninhibited, rambling yet sharply observant—mixing personal stories, comedy industry in-jokes, hot takes, and sharp critiques of culture, government, and technology.
• Plenty of “inside baseball” for comedy fans, but the themes are wide: health, AI, freedom, media, and the future.
• The tone swings from goofy (“being Iron Man in your lucid dream,” “original doxing was the bathroom wall”) to intensely thoughtful (on grief, psychedelics, and what motivates billionaires).

---

For Further Listening

• This episode especially resonates for listeners interested in the evolution of standup, creator economy, independent platforms, culture wars, and the implications of emerging tech on everyday life.
• Fans of comedy, tech skepticism, anti-censorship, and entrepreneurial stories will find plenty to chew on.

---

For more:

• Gas Digital Network (Luis J. Gomez’s platform)
• Skankfest details at skankfest.com

---

Created by Podcast Summarizer AI — For detailed segment info or further quotes, ask for timestamped references.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day special. And then I just fell off.

[Jamie Vernon]

I had a margarita at dinner once and I was like, all right, I'm back.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that'll do it. It's just that one. You think I'll have one.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was nice. It just. I was drinking too much because the know owning a club there all the time, you know how much everybody's like, you want a shot? You want a drink?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I can imagine. When I'm at your club, I get blackout drunk every time. Like an actual problem. Like I walk down the stairs, I'm like, what the fuck just happened? I drink so much at the Mothership Austin in general. Are we on?

[Jamie Vernon]

Are we rolling? Yeah. The problem is Shane.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. He's an animal. I don't know how he does it. I did the Bridgestone arena with him on Friday night. I mean first of all just insane. Like 20,000 people, right? I mean it's nuts. Saturday night I did 95 people at the dojo of Comed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is that the first time you did a big one in the round?

[Joe Rogan]

In the round? Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Round is like oddly intimate, isn't it? Because everyone's facing each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you can pretty cool. It feels like it's a club around you on the bottom. You kind of like. It's so funny because people get like so in their head, they're like, dude, it's all these people. It's crazy. I'm like, I performed you half sold out comedy clubs, you know, much more nerve wracking it is to make eye contact with your fans that are disappointed that they're in a half sold out room that 20,000 people that are just there to be like fucking Shane.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's one of those things, you just do it a couple of times and you get it gets normal. Yeah, like all things, I'm sure. Yeah, like all.

[Joe Rogan]

That's more fun, dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

It is very fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's so much more fun. I would, I would. Just so you guys know, I would way rather perform to 20,000 people than 100. I just want you to know that. I don't know if that's a unique

[Jamie Vernon]

idea, but yeah, 100 is good too though because 100 really shows you if your bits are bullshit. Yeah. You know, 100 shows you the weak links and bits.

[Joe Rogan]

You see them checking their phone.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, it's in. You feel it. Yeah. You feel like you're delivering them horseshit. You know you, you feel like you're not appreciating what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Of course. And I think it's also like, it's such a spectacle when you go to like an arena where it's like people are like so lit and pumped to just like be there. They're so happy.

[Jamie Vernon]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Excited.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how. Sabrina Carpenter just came up in my feed from Coachella. Little hot child and she's like this. All my algorithm is now with Sabrina Carpenter.

[Jamie Vernon]

My daughter loves her, I'm sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. My girlfriend loves her.

[Jamie Vernon]

And she's got some good jams. That espresso song, that's a really good song.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man.

[Jamie Vernon]

Child, she's got some.

[Joe Rogan]

That's my shit, dude. It's become my thing. I never heard any of her music before this past week, but it's a Coachella. Stuff has all been showing up. And like, I'm watching these girls watch Sabrina Carpenter. They're so happy.

[Jamie Vernon]

So happy.

[Joe Rogan]

They're like nothing. Like, they're like just. They're like, just having the best moment of their. Like these 16 year old girls are like. It's a real Carpenter.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's why, like, people got to chill on things that they think suck. Cause it's just not for you, man.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's okay.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, that's okay. Like, spending all your time dwelling on things that aren't for you is so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a crazy thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's such a waste of time.

[Joe Rogan]

It's Internet culture. That's what it is. Like, the Internet and social media became a thing where we gave everyone a voice. Everyone has to have an opinion. Nobody wants to admit they're wrong. Right. And they have to have a hot take. Everything that happens within minutes.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Not even a moment to. Let me reflect. Let me just do a little bit of research. Let me just look up a couple facts. They just jump into whatever their opinion is. And that's the same thing when it comes to. To like, you know, entertainment and you know all your. And you, dude, you know better than anyone. I was talking to Jamie before. Like, you and Tony have become so big that it's become like, like, it's like culture. It's not even like, like, I know you guys. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's. But it's like when I remove myself from it, it's like you guys are as big as Sabrina Carpenter. Like having a conversation about Joe Rogan going to the White House or Sabrina Carpenter at Coachella. That's trending shit. You know what I'm saying? And people feel like they have to come out and just give their opinion on it right away. And if you don't like it, don't like it.

[Jamie Vernon]

But that's also, like, if you don't want people to have their opinions on you, don't go to the White House.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a great point.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, like, I don't fault them for getting, you know, whatever, Whatever Hot take getting mad at me for whatever reason. Go ahead.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's your thing. You're. You're allowed to. You're supposed to, like, if you're a comic too, you're supposed to. On people if you think they're doing something stupid. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you get offended when comics on you?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, never. No. I mean, I'm in the. I'm in this weird zeitgeist thing. I don't get offended. Some of them, I think it's lame because I think I know them. Like, I'm friends with them. Right. And they're, like, using me to get clout. Like, if you really had a problem with me, you could just text me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, if you really felt like I was an anti vaxxer and I was endangering people's lives, fucking text me, bro. You know me. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird when people do that and maybe they feel like an obligation, even though they know you, to speak publicly. There's a lot of people that feel like they. They have to use their V. Like when something is wrong, they have to come out and say it, which also.

[Joe Rogan]

Boredom.

[Jamie Vernon]

I understand the inclination. I understand the inclination. And people will tell you that. That you need to use your voice. And if you feel like you need to use your voice. Okay. But what I'm saying is there's far too many people out there dwelling on things they do not like versus things they like. And this life is fucking short. I am 58 years old. I'm almost 59. That's dead. That's old as. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

20 years, best case scenario, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

If everything goes great. And what are those 20 years? Like? I mean, I'm holding it together thanks to ways to. Well, and. And my obsessive need to work out. But other than that, man, I feel it. I feel it's slipping away. It's gonna.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. I'm 44. I just turned 44 a couple weeks ago. And like, best case scenario. Like, absolute best case scenario.

[Jamie Vernon]

Midlife.

[Joe Rogan]

Midlife.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, best.

[Joe Rogan]

My. My aunt has Never worked out a day in her life. She's 89 years old. She's just a. A fat old Italian lady.

[Jamie Vernon]

Eats whatever she wants to move, man.

[Joe Rogan]

It might be. Dude, why am I so obsessed with trying to get in shape and eating right and doing all this other stuff? My fat aunt just does whatever she wants. And she's an old Italian lady. She's just. She's gonna. She's. She's as young as I've ever remembered her. She's so with it. It's so funny to me.

[Jamie Vernon]

I've vacationed in Italy a bunch of times and I've gone to these little small towns. There's always like a really nice restaurant. This little small town you have to take up into the hills.

[Joe Rogan]

You're on like a cliffside with like no guardrail.

[Jamie Vernon]

You get to these places and you see these people having these like three and a half hour dinners. Everyone's relaxed, they're all laughing. Their family's around and four generations.

[Joe Rogan]

There's 170 year old, but no one's stressed out.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, they're not all freaked out like Americans are. They're also not fat. Yeah, these thin people, they're. And they're eating bread. They're eating bread and pasta and fucking gelato.

[Joe Rogan]

And I went to Italy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Cigarettes. And they live to be a hundred.

[Joe Rogan]

My favorite place to visit Italy. I brought my son for a father son trip there years ago. Then I just brought my whole family. Last year we went to Venice and Rome and. Yeah, dude, I have like a gluten intolerance. Like if I eat a sandwich, I'm just gonna. You'll see it in my face. Like, all I did was eat pasta, bread, gelato. The whole time. The whole time.

[Jamie Vernon]

And you were fine.

[Joe Rogan]

I lost five pounds. I lost five fucking pounds. People are like, dude, it's the walking. I was like, it's not. The walking does not lose fucking. You don't lose weight from walking if you're a person who actively exercises.

[Jamie Vernon]

We are being poisoned. Yeah, 100%. And you know, RFK Jr. Has been working really hard to try to stop a lot of what is with us with our diet in America. God, the resistance is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

This episode is brought to you by Traeger Grills. If you enjoy food, and I mean really good food, Traeger is a game changer. This isn't just a grill. It's the ultimate way to cook outdoors, delivering unbeatable wood fired flavor thanks to the all natural hardwood pellets that fuel everything. You grill, smoke or bake. That's it. Just wood and fire and flavor. And what's truly wild is how easy it is. Just set the temp, load the grill and let Traeger handle the rest. Grill, steak, smoke, ribs, even baked pizza, all on one grill. If you're into fire, flavor and doing things right, check out Traeger Grills. This episode is brought to you by Ketone iq. The demands on my time, energy and focus are immense. So when I need my brain to lock in for hours and hours and fire at its fastest, most alert state, I'm taking Ketone iq. It's an energy shot powered by this little miracle molecule that your body already naturally makes. And your brain especially loves ketones. I've been talking about ketones for over a decade and this company's finally figured out how to put them in a bottle. When I take Ketone iq, I drop right into a state of laser like focus and sustained mental clarity. Whether I'm podcast training in the gym or just want to show up locked in when it matters, the difference is night and day with Ketone IQ. Visit ketone.com rogan for 30% off your subscription order or find Ketone IQ at Target stores nationwide in the protein and electrolyte aisle and get your first shot free. Plus they have a 60 day money back guarantee. That's how confident they are that you're going to love the increased focus you get from Ketone iq.

[Joe Rogan]

People decide what side they're on and they go, I don't care how good it might be, fuck you, you're part of Trump's cabinet.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a little of that, but what I'm talking about is the resistance from corporations.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

And the effect that they have on policy. And then the reality of economics, like here was a big one. Like he had to, he had to pass. So there's this thing. Do you know what glyphosate is?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, so it's an herbicide that they spray on plants and it's super bad for you. It's super bad for you. And it's banned in a lot of countries, but it's used ubiquitously in the United States and there's some extraordinary number of people, oh, is this glyphosate on the wheat?

[Joe Rogan]

Is this what they're spraying on the wheat?

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly. So they spray it on the wheat as a desiccator. So they spray it on the wheat after the wheat has already been harvested to keep it from growing mold, which is crazy. They're going to spray poison to make sure that life doesn't grow on your wheat. That's really what's going on. Mold is a type of life and they want to make sure it doesn't grow on this wheat that they're going to sell you. So they spray poison. So RFK Jr. Was trying really hard to stop that, but Trump essentially said that if they passed this ban on glyphosate and they forced all these farmers to stop moving glyphosate, it would destroy the farm market in America. It would destroy it. Like 90 something percent of these people use glyphosate.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, and you're like, that's because they have to like, it's. It preserves it, essentially, so they could

[Jamie Vernon]

keep it longer and for wheat and. And then corn actually has like roundup ready corn. So you could spray it on the corn. It survives this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So like it kills all the weeds around it, but the corn survives this. Nuclear corn.

[Joe Rogan]

That's bizarre.

[Jamie Vernon]

And what's crazy is our whole system depends on it. Like, we've got a bad system. And the solution is keep the bad system for now. Because if we don't, if we don't feed people poison, then we'll go under. It's so crazy. And that's how. That's what it is in America. That's why when you go to Italy, you get that Italian flour, which is heirloom wheat. So you know, Maynard from Tool, he explained this to me because he owns restaurants and he said that when you're getting wheat from America, it's like got a higher yield per acre because it's like more gluten dense, it has more complex glutens in it and your body just goes, whoa. Like, this is a lot. You know that feeling that like, whoa. Because you're essentially eating glue, right. When you eat pasta, that you have it in Italy, or. I'm not saying it doesn't have calories, but. But there's a difference in the way it feels when it goes in your body. There's not a resistance. It feels like food. When I become a glutton and I eat like a whole pizza in America, if it's not at a good spot that, you know, uses Italian wheat, I feel like I fucking poison myself.

[Joe Rogan]

I literally feel, I mean, almost like a hangover, a weird. Like you feel it like in your veins.

[Jamie Vernon]

So I don't know if that's the complex glutens. I don't know if that's glyphosate. I think the glyphosate thing is probably dangerous, but yet also possibly overstated. So it seems like the. The very low levels of glyphosate, our body can tolerate it, but the real question is, like, why are we tolerating it? Like, why is that there? Yeah, because there's people that think that that's what you're reacting to when you're eating wheat, that you're reacting to. Your. Your body's just like, what is this? I don't like this herbicide.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this also happened as I got older. I don't even know what it was like. I just. I never really had an issue with like, pizza, pasta, wheat, anything. When I was a kid, I could eat a peanut butter jelly sandwich. That's my mid-20s. It just hit me in a different way. And I don't actually. I don't know if you can develop a gluten intolerance or gluten.

[Jamie Vernon]

It happens to a lot of people as they get older. I wonder what that is. I wonder if that's just your body just like, e N enough, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Your body just gives up on it. It's like. But when you were young, it's running

[Joe Rogan]

more efficiently just naturally.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're young, you're full of hormones. Your body, the cells are replicating perfectly everything. Everything's great. And I think your body can just burn it off. Like, that's why. Hangovers weren't as bad when I was 20 either. Oh, yeah, hangovers were no big deal. Just have some water the next day and you'll be good. Yeah, it was not that bad, dude. Hangovers. If I have a hangover at 58, I'm like, what, are you trying to die early, Idiot.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I was saying about Shane at the. The stadium or the. The arena before. It's like, he's. We get there and I wasn't even drinking. I stopped drinking, you know, regularly here and there. But I. I was just the best shape and the best mental state I've ever been in my life was when I'm completely sober. Completely sober, eating healthy, exercising every day. That right there is the best. That's the best version of everybody. It's not a unique thing to myself, right? But Shane, I was like, you know, he's fucking Shane. She was like, come on, you gotta have a drink.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So I was like. Started drinking whiskey.

[Jamie Vernon]

The best version of Shane is 11 bud lights. After 11, he's just unstoppable. He's a jolly drunk. That's why I don't know how he does it.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. If I could have done it for more than two, three nights in a row, I would die.

[Jamie Vernon]

You ever smoke weed with a wrapper? It's the same. It's like, people get used to things.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know? Try smoking weed with Wiz Khalifa.

[Joe Rogan]

Wiscally, if you tried smoking weed with me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Are you kidding me?

[Jamie Vernon]

Are you really calling them out?

[Joe Rogan]

Are you crazy? Bring it on, Wiz Khalifa. I used to be. I mean, I'm talking about an all day, every day, get up in the morning just to get going. Five dabs. Like, I like real deal pothead. Blunt to the head. I smoked one to the head a week ago right before I trained. And my. My sparring partner was like, dude, you smell like weed. It was like, I could never in a million years. But it's just I'm so used to

[Jamie Vernon]

it that, yeah, it becomes a normal state.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'm sure Jiu Jitsu, everyone smokes weed before training.

[Jamie Vernon]

A lot of people smoke. It's a dirty secret of Jiu Jitsu. Yeah, a lot of people smoke weed before Jiu Jitsu. What is Wiz doing up the nose?

[Producer/Assistant]

Nose dab?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no, you don't need to do that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why would you do that, Wiz? That dude's jacked. You ever see what Wiz looks like? He got really into Muay Thai, like, Like heavily. And so he brings the guy with him everywhere he goes and hits rip, dude. I mean, like a ten pack. It's crazy. He looks great, and his technique looks pretty solid.

[Joe Rogan]

Just gets high kicks. Shit.

[Jamie Vernon]

How fun is that? What a life. Well, there's a thing about when you're high. You feel your muscles more like you feel like the little fibers.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, instead of it being a blunt thing, it's like you have access to all the fibers. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's also you, like, with Jiu Jitsu, specifically, you. You get into, like, a flow state where you close your eyes and you're just fucking feeling things. And it's like. I think that can actually help it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think it's a performance enhancer. I really do. I always felt like my Jiu jitsu game was 10% better if I was high.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. No bullshit. Yeah, I've really felt that. I think Eddie would agree with that, too. I think a lot of people agree with that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, I think comedy, it's like.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. It can. It can be.

[Jamie Vernon]

It can be.

[Joe Rogan]

I think if you're getting high every day and then if you switch it up, then It's a performance enhancer. Like, being right now, being completely sober, like, I feel like I'm on Adderall. Like, I feel like I'm completely locked in in a different way. Whereas, like, you. And then I'll stop smoking weed for six months and I'll go back to it. I'm like, oh, I've never been more creative. It's just. I think it's just changing your mindset and whatever way you can do that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why people are so locked in and they're like, having the same opinions their entire lives. It's like somebody called me out on Twitter today. They're like, dude, you flip flop constantly on things. I was like, you mean I've grown?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You've been watching me for 15 years on podcasts.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm now listening Flip flop. I'm Captain Flip Flop. And I just don't think you should be married to your ideas. I think the real problem is once you say something and then you have to defend it, and then once you find out that it's wrong, you. You panic and then you double down and then you try to defend it in some weird fucking circular logic way.

[Joe Rogan]

And you'll get there. You'll probably, if you're smart enough, guys will just figure out a way to ask backwards their logic. But every once in a while, it's so nice to go, oh, dude, I was completely wrong about that.

[Jamie Vernon]

See that?

[Joe Rogan]

You win any argument with a girl

[Jamie Vernon]

in this world, the world that you and I are in, we have conversations publicly. Right. And that's what. Something that a lot of people don't do. So if you have conversations publicly, then the whole world can essentially go, no, you're wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, which is very valuable. Very valuable for be able. Being able to formulate opinions. Most people don't have that, dude. So most people, they just like, if they're wrong about something, they've said it publicly and shame people. You know, you better do this because of that and this and the wrong. Once they find out they're wrong, they panic and there's not much you can do about it. Like, you're just wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And the only thing you could do if you want to keep any credibility and say, say this is what I thought and this is why I thought it, but I don't think that anymore. And I was wrong. Yeah, I that up. But this new information, I want you to have too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because this is why I'm tell you why I thought what I thought and why it changed.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, you'll be able to do that.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's just a weird thing in society. People will not. They will.

[Jamie Vernon]

People want to pretend they're smarter than they are. Yeah, that's the thing, man. Everybody wants to pretend they're fucking smarter than they are. We're all talking monkeys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we're idiots, all of us.

[Jamie Vernon]

Every fucking person alive is a talking monkey. So the Internet is the best and the worst thing that's ever happened. Because now all the monkeys can scream, everybody can get mad, everybody can complain. But it's also great.

[Joe Rogan]

And you have time to reflect, you said. So what would happen is something would happen, right? Whatever it is some big event, right? And it happens on Friday, right? Like, I don't. I gotta sit on this until Monday. I'll talk to my. My wife or some friends at home. But it's like, until I get to work on Monday, right, I can't spout these ideas and my opinions. And you kind of reflect on it. You sit on. You're on the toilet taking a shit, thinking about things. We don't have that anymore. It's just all distraction constantly. And it's like, just. I mean, the amount, like, I. The only time I ever, like, reflect is if I'm working out or I'm sitting in the steam room, right? Gotta put the phone away. You literally can't do anything, right? But even you're taking a shit, dude. Back in the. Taking a shit used to be like, the best thinking.

[Jamie Vernon]

Time magazines.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, you sit there reading Life magazine while you're taking a dump. What you just said was, like, very important, this what you just said. So what we're talking about is people being able to talk about things. Now imagine what life was like, because we both. How old are you?

[Joe Rogan]

44.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, so you lived it a little bit, but I really lived it where there was no Internet. And if there was no Internet, you couldn't talk to anything about anybody about anybody, about anything. Because everything that came up in the news, like, you'd see it on the news. You go, what is going on? You get like this quick snippet. And then you'd have to go to a newspaper and you'd read the newspaper and go, what the fuck are we doing in Venezuela?

[Joe Rogan]

And at this point, 99% of people are already out, even right there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

People are like, yeah, I'm not going to the library and I'm not here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Who goes to work? And, you know, how much time do you have to talk to people about things? You have stuff to do. You can't be the guy guy that corners people when they're getting coffee. Do you hear what we're doing in Nicaragua? So we're selling cocaine in Los Angeles. The CIA is selling cocaine in Los Angeles to fund the conscious versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Do you know that I have work to do? This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. My own website, joerogan.com is powered by Squarespace. So I'm not just saying this. I actually use the thing. If you've got a business, a podcast, you're selling something, you're doing a newsletter, whatever it is, Squarespace gives you everything you need. You can grab your domain, build the site, showcase your stuff, take payments, all of it. No messing around. It's simple. It works, and it makes your stuff look legit. Go to squarespace.com rogan for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the offer code rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.

[Joe Rogan]

Mean.

[Jamie Vernon]

And so you never got to express yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you gonna do? Start a ham radio channel? What are you gonna do? There was no way to express yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

That was that. And it was, bro, if you did

[Jamie Vernon]

start a radio channel, here's the crazy thing. They would lock you up. Yeah. Do you know that you had to have an FCC license?

[Joe Rogan]

What was that movie?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Christian Slater.

[Joe Rogan]

Christian Slater. Pump up the volume.

[Jamie Vernon]

Up the volume, up the volume. Dude. What? He was.

[Joe Rogan]

He was podcasting from a car before there was podcast.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is 1990. They were chasing him down and they were trying to arrest him. He was the rebel. And wasn't he saying like 17 some stuff like go out there and live your life or something? Like, what was he saying? Did he have like a pump you up speech? Everybody was listening to this.

[Joe Rogan]

Controversial. Was like, you know, the man, you know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. What was he saying? Like he's. He's ranting. It's like low level podcasting. But he might be the first podcast, maybe. No, I'm like, no, Bullshit. Yeah, like that pirate radio in that movie might have been, you know, because it's always like one idea builds on and then new inventions and then builds on. Yeah, the one idea is this sexy rebel who's out there yelling, the man. And he's in a, like a van running from the cops because he's gonna put him in a cage because he made his own radio station.

[Joe Rogan]

That's wild.

[Jamie Vernon]

And that's what we're doing right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there was. Yeah, I Mean, I lived pre Internet, you know, and Internet sort of high school, ninth grade or so. That's when it started popping off.

[Jamie Vernon]

Podcasts show you straight up that the free market is much better than. Than regulations by the government. Because you're never going to get this kind of a show if the government gets to regulate you and they tell you, you can't swear, they can't tell you you can't be obscene. There's certain things you can't say.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, now it's just. Now it's just YouTube and Google that'll tell you that.

[Jamie Vernon]

But they don't do it as much.

[Joe Rogan]

No, not nowhere near as much. But it's the new way to sort of combat that is demonetization. Like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right. That' the market dictates that too. Because if someone else comes along and says, hey, we're not going to do that. So there's a reason why YouTube is like loosened up some of its content restriction.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because Rumble came out, Kick came out.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also they were wrong. Like a lot of the restrictions were during COVID and they were wrong. They were telling people, if you bring up the lab leak theory, we'll kick you off of YouTube.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. A lot of people, a lot of people got completely lost their channels, like lost their way to make money.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, you could say the earth is flat.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Billions of flat earth videos out there. You can say Bigfoot raped my mom. You know, you could say anything.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But if you said that it might have come from a lab.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You would get kicked off of YouTube.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so funny. We found out that's exactly what happened.

[Jamie Vernon]

But the market sort of shifted and that's how Rumble started getting bigger. Rumble got bigger specifically because of the fact there's pushback on YouTube because they literally won't even let Nick Fuentes on YouTube and he's on Rumble and he's like their number one guy.

[Joe Rogan]

He's killing it on Rumble.

[Jamie Vernon]

See, that's the thing. It's like if you hold something back, you're just going to make another version of it that opposes it and they're going to have more energy to fight against you because you've. You've stopped the truth. Yeah. You've stopped the truth about like, not like about petty things, but really important things like how a fucking disease went through the whole world. You're literally stopping people from examining the truth, which is weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

There was not good. It was real scary.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a scary time. Just like in general to like. It was. It was a great time for podcasting Podcasting blew up during COVID That was huge. Everyone just stayed at home. Everyone was like, what are we gonna do? We have nothing else to do except sit on the Internet and listen to podcasts.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But yeah, it was like just a weird, you know, uncertain time. Even like physically in life it was uncertain. And then you go on the Internet and it's like, oh, I could just like lose everything. They could just take it away like that. All these platforms. That's why I start this. Why sort I'm. I do all of my own things specifically because I am terrified that my things are going to be taken away from me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So I have my own platforms, my own festival.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, you were really smart about that early on with Gas Digital. Such a good idea. Thanks. Such a good idea. And it's also like your fan base, your fan base is so loyal and so rabid.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, because they're signed, they're like invested financially.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it's. It's a better relationship, honestly, in a lot of ways.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's funny is when we started it, it wasn't. It wasn't even completely necessary. Was funny as Patreon hadn't even. Didn't it existed. But it was like, you know, guitar players asking for tips. There was nobody podcasting on Patreon. We started the platform uncensored, ad free for, you know, behind a paywall. We were unique. There was really no. Anthony Kumia did it. There was a couple people that were

[Jamie Vernon]

doing their thing and Anthony did it specifically because he was fired from xm.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And he had to.

[Jamie Vernon]

He had to.

[Joe Rogan]

But we did. And it wasn't even like, it wasn't crazy back then, but the way everything became censored and you know, there's all these ads on YouTube. There's so much. It feels so like it feels commercial. It feels like you're watching TV in the late 90s when you're watching YouTube. Now, right now more than ever, there's a need for an uncensored ad free platform. And there's not many of them. No.

[Jamie Vernon]

100%. And I think you did the smartest thing by doing that. And so here's the argument. The argument is like that if it's everywhere, like if it's on YouTube but it's on Spotify, it's on everywhere. Then there's more potential for growth because it's easier to access. That is true. And it's also, it's way easier to promote because people could just send each other. Like it's natural the algorithms will push it, which is. Yeah, there's that, but there's also sharing. Yeah. Like if I have. If someone has got a good podcast, I'll share it with my friends. You got to listen. This is hilarious. And what. So that you can't do that if it's a pay platform. So like, you'd have to get someone to sign up.

[Joe Rogan]

What's funny is we. We were so early on a lot of these things. I give myself a lot of credit here because we. Like, before you could screen record on your phone, we had in our app, we had a tool where you can clip clips to share them to social media. So you could do. It was like limited to like two or three clips per episode.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that's great. It works.

[Joe Rogan]

It never worked really.

[Jamie Vernon]

But was there a time limit on the clips?

[Joe Rogan]

A minute or two.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that's a problem. That's a problem. Yeah, because like, you want like at least eight. Yeah. You know, because like, especially if there's a funny back and forth between you guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like if you're doing legions of skanks and you guys are going off about something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You need a little more than a couple of minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

You got to sink your teeth into it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. It's. Otherwise, that's the best way to take things out of context too.

[Joe Rogan]

You're telling me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Boy, people love doing that. Yeah, they love doing that. But it's also. It's like, what are you going to ask everybody to listen to three hours of a podcast?

[Joe Rogan]

It's great.

[Jamie Vernon]

You gotta expect that things are going to get taken out of context. It's part of the game, you know, it's part of the thing we do.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I. And no, nobody really wants a context. Even when they find out the context, they've been like, well, I already were saying before I've moved on from that opinion.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, nobody cares.

[Joe Rogan]

Tomorrow, it's another. Another day. You know, nobody really cares about anything, to be honest with you. It's like the way that the Internet has turned people into like just like whatever's in front of them. That's what they care about. I mean, the amount of things that were such a big deal a month ago. I mean, ICE was such a huge deal two months ago. We haven't heard anything about ICE since then. They, you know, it was the Ukraine. What happened to Ukraine? That war still going on, I believe. Nobody gives a shit.

[Jamie Vernon]

Still going on. It's just sound sexy right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, it's like Law and Order, Special Victims Unit, you know, season 50.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like, okay, you know, we've seen

[Joe Rogan]

every angle on rape already.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like it's still going to be a big show. You know, it's still important. It's top 10.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But it's. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not the number one thing that we're concerned with where. Whereas when it popped off when Russia invaded, it was like the end of the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And then there was people. I literally heard people saying that Ukraine should have never given up its nukes. And I was like, okay, I could see what you're saying. I could see what you're saying. Like if they had nukes, Russia probably wouldn't invade them. But. But ultimately that means we're threatening you with nukes.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the scariest thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's fucking crazy. The whole thing's crazy. But it's also, it's like, why did this happen?

[Joe Rogan]

Did we know?

[Jamie Vernon]

Pushing arms closer and closer to Russia have no impact on this.

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody can hit Texas or New York though, right? Like Hawaii's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, they could hit New York.

[Joe Rogan]

They could hit New York.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh yeah, they could hit New York.

[Joe Rogan]

You think so with the nuke?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. 100.

[Joe Rogan]

I read something a while ago that they could only reach Hawaii or I guess it wasn't. It wasn't anyone. It was. Who was it? Was it Russia or Sun China or one of them. They could only hit Hawaii. I had a bit about it in my act and I was like, we

[Jamie Vernon]

had a guy on that was talking about back engineering UFO technology and that they had this idea of using it to what they would call an instantaneous delivery system of a nuclear bomb. Because the way these things supposedly can travel. I'm a moron, so I don't understand anything about gravity. But what they were explaining is that if these crafts work in a way that has no normal kind of propulsion. We think of propulsion as like a jet. The fire goes out the back and the jet goes forward really fast because of that. Right. What they're saying is these people, beings from wherever the they are with these people that have back engineered their crafts. The way they move is not by propulsion. It's by bending space and time. It's by doing something to the gravity around it or the, the actual space of the universe around it where it can go to another place like instantaneously. So it's not like it flies, it's like it just zips over to another part of the universe. And they can do it like that. Tic tac One that they, they got on radar. They got it on the visuals. Like two different fighter pilots saw it and talked about it. They have video of it. This thing went from more than 50,000ft above sea level to sea level in one second, less than a second. So it's like radar. It went from 50,000ft to that. So if you could do that with a bomb, you could essentially instantaneously detonate Moscow.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

If that's a real technology. So this is probably why these are hiding all this UFO information. Yeah, because these assholes had probably were using the. They were like, yeah, we could travel anywhere in the universe or we could blow up China without them even knowing it's happening. We could assure that we'll win a nuclear war. Yeah, anybody would have that technology. The ability to put something somewhere instantly and you put a bomb in it. That's crazy. Yeah, that might be with all this UFO is about.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean, the. Who knows, who knows what's going on? I mean, like, like obviously there's something going on, right? Obvious. Like it's, I think, where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Jamie Vernon]

And there's too much stories about all these scientists that are getting whacked.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, there's scientists that have gotten whacked and, or missing and a couple of generals as well. That's all connected somehow or another to UFO technology and anti gravity technology and nuclear scientists. And there's a bunch of stories that I've read about this and some of them are like, this is like purely exaggerated. And a lot of people are. It's just, they're taking that this guy committed suicide and he worked on that and this guy went missing and he worked on that. But it's just coincidence.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

And then there's other people that go, no, no, no, no, this is. There's too many people. So now the White House has commented on it, so they're doing an investigation on this, which makes me think, hopefully somebody who's really fucking smart has looked at this information and said there's something there. Like what these people were working on was very extraordinary and could disrupt a market or could be something that could be used in a weapon that would destroy another country. And so the other country sabotages it by killing scientists. That's shit that we would do.

[Joe Rogan]

Think how little we know. Like the amount of, like, yeah, like

[Jamie Vernon]

you and I, just human.

[Joe Rogan]

Just like Americans, just, just the general population. Like the amount of. There's probably the craziest technology ever that the government has their hands on right now. It's like we use AI tools. And it's like I can imagine the AI that the government currently has. Right. And that's why that'll never disappear. It's because all of the governments are sort of at a race to see who can implement the strongest AI. So I can't even imagine how crazy it is.

[Jamie Vernon]

There was one lady that was. That went missing, and there's a weird video of her because it seems like she's drunk and she's like talking about, like, how, you know, this technology, that it's real, but every time they. That anybody gets close to it, people stop it. And this lady has gone missing as well. So it seems like she might have had a couple of drinks or something and then started ranting about this in some weird video call. Yeah, but listen, if I had that information and I thought that people were trying to kill me because I knew about anti gravity technology, and I literally thought, like, I'm in a Russell Crowe movie and someone's trying to whack me, I'd probably get drunk too. Yeah, like, what are you gonna do? But she went missing, though.

[Joe Rogan]

I was talking to two nuclear scientists after my show. Just these two. Like, there was a couple. They were like straight up nuclear scientists. It was Tacoma or Spokane, whatever. This near that, like there's a huge, like, it's like a nuclear town. Like, everyone works in like nuclear science in this entire town. And he was like, they were like so into telling me about, like, not, not too much, not too in depth. But he was like, you know, I work like 100ft below the ground. It was like super top secret. And he was like. I started asking him questions. He was like, oh, I can't answer that. He was like, they've definitely tapped our phones. Are you out of your mind? You think they're like, not just listening to what we're saying to people? And it was just like fudgeing. God damn, dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think they're listening to everything everybody's saying all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

They can organize stored.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah, I think it just gets stored. I don't think it's like someone's listening where they can just know every. Like they have a person with fogging earphone on listening to everything you say. Oh, write it down. He's like this.

[Joe Rogan]

I think probably high government officials. They probably do.

[Jamie Vernon]

Probably. But now with AI, all they would have to do is record everybody's phone all the time and then use AI to search all the transcripts and then find an audio recording of you saying this or you Saying that we're probably

[Joe Rogan]

three years away from them being able to get everything we've ever done on the Internet.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. But not just that. There's also AI which could take that and then have you make phone calls to people that you don't really make.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So you could call up one of your friends and ask them to meet you somewhere with a bag of heroin and they would all, you know, they would know. It would like, literally, you'd use it to set people up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You could use it to get people upset about something. You could have the AI have a conversation with them.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I've been listening to you, AI Joe Rogan ads on the Internet for about a year now, where they just take your voice and they advertise products because you have such a recognizable voice.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's pretty ridiculous, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

A lot of people go, do you use that? I'll go, no, say I. But the thing is, it's like they can have it talk to you now. So it sounds like you. Yeah, you could have a conversation with you. Like, you could. AI, Louis J. Gomez. You could talk to Louis J. Gomez and it would be like you talking to yourself. You'd probably lose your mind if you were schizophrenia.

[Joe Rogan]

I did something really dark and sad one day. I was super high and my mom died when I was 22 years old. And then I went. I prompted ChatGPT. I told a bunch of information about my mom and I was like, I want to have a conversation with my mom on the other side about, like, what's going on in my life. And my son and asked me questions. And I was like. It was. It got very, like. I got really emotional way more than you would think. Like, I was. It was kind of just a dumb thing. I was stoned. I was like, let's see where this goes. I was. I felt like I was talking to my mom at the end of it. It was really.

[Jamie Vernon]

This episode is brought to you by Simply Safe. Have you ever looked into getting a security system? A lot of these companies can leave you feeling trapped, which is the last thing you want when it comes to your safety. They lock you into these absurdly long contracts and you have to take time out of your day to wait for a technician. As a long time supporter of this show, Simplisafe is nothing like that. Simply Save gives you the flexibility to choose what type of system you want and when to set it up. With no long term contracts or hidden fees, it ships to your door and you can easily install it. No technicians or drilling required. And I'm not just talking about a porch camera here. You can get the whole shebang. Sensors, cameras, Inside and out and 24, 7 professional monitoring. They earn your business by actually working. Simplisafe has even been called America's best customer service by Newsweek. It's clear why over 5 million people continue to use Simplisafe every day. Everyone deserves to have peace of mind. Simply Safe is offering an exclusive discount to my listeners. And right now you can get 50 off your new system by visiting simplisafe.com rogan that's half [e-mail] rogan there's no safe like Simply Safe. This episode is brought to you by Sky King on Hulu. Imagine stealing a 33 million dollar passenger plane, having never flown before and taking off on a 70 minute white knuckle flight, vanishing into the sky. That's exactly what Richard Bebo Russell did when he stunned the world and hijacked a plane alone. So how'd he get the plane up in the sky? Well, incredibly, he says playing video games helped. And why did he do it? That's the most powerful part of this film. You just have to watch Sky King Panic in the sky now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus. That's so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, really.

[Jamie Vernon]

Here's the thing. If it gets to be a super intelligence and they program a super intelligence to behave exactly and talk exactly like your mom and then you had conversations with her like it knows her voice. Yeah, that would be such a it. If you're schizophrenic and that starts happening. That would be the trip. That would be. That would be. We blew the last fuse.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's it, dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

That would be it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, maybe that's what they're doing for you and me, right? Who we have, I mean, thousands and thousands of hours recorded, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh yeah. They could have us say anything.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not only just say anything, like when I die, I'm assuming the technology forget when I die. Like forget 40 years from now. Like in the next few years. They can just take every opinion I've had, the way I speak, my thoughts, everything. And then they can use AI to not only just replicate what I do, but go like, well, what would he likely think? What would he likely say? If you sort of put all that data in and then eventually it's like a little box sitting on the table that my son talks to. His dad never dies. His dad's always there. I think that will be a thing that regularly is happening. You, you I don't know if it's, like, uploading the consciousness or if it's the AI replicating your consciousness. I think they've talked about that for a long time, but that I think will happen unquestionably.

[Jamie Vernon]

No doubt.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And soon.

[Joe Rogan]

Very soon.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the AI that they have now, like, if you put on those meta glasses. Have you with that. The VR goggles.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Pretty.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I just jerk off. That's it. I just.

[Jamie Vernon]

Giant vaginas.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not. No, it's not even a. It's.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you have porn with VR, it must be insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it seems. It is insane.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't watch regular porn that way.

[Jamie Vernon]

Made me nervous.

[Producer/Assistant]

I was looking this up just to see if it was still a thing. This is a William Shatner AI. He's sitting here waiting for us to ask him a question and he'll just

[Joe Rogan]

answer it in his voice.

[Producer/Assistant]

He sat there and recorded a bunch of stuff a couple years ago for the.

[Joe Rogan]

This.

[Producer/Assistant]

I don't know how well it works,

[Jamie Vernon]

but we'll ask him. This.

[Joe Rogan]

This a little different, though. This isn't so quite.

[Producer/Assistant]

I mean, this is just the beginning, though. Like, this.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the beginning of it. So once they. But they. Once they turn. They really turn the AI on this. It'll be like. It'll be a better William Shatner.

[Producer/Assistant]

I mean, it looks. What. Let's ask him one random question.

[Jamie Vernon]

What? Didn't he have, like, a makeout session with a green lady on. In Star Trek? I think he did. I think there was, like, some weird racial pushback. There was some weird put. Oh, he kissed Uhura there. Was he. No, no. He did make out with an alien. Right. I'm pretty sure he kissed, like, a green lady or something. But he also kissed Lt. Ohura, who was a black lady. And during the time where they did Star Trek, I think this was very controversial. That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

It.

[Jamie Vernon]

So that was in 1968. And this was very controversial. That. A white man and a black one. And by the way, she was beautiful. That lady that played Ohura. She's beautiful. And they thought it was weird. They thought it was offensive. I mean, it was like. It was a big thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

In, like, the public. I was too young, obviously, I was one years old. But I do remember this story.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember there was that movie Jungle Fever. It was an entire movie. The entire premise of the movie was

[Jamie Vernon]

it's a black guy and a white girl.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a movie. That's it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, what is it called? Was the episode called Plato Stepchildren Season 3 Episode 10 November 22, 1968 wow. Ohura, played by Nichelle Nichols and Captain Kirk William Shackner. Episodes often cited incorrectly as the first interracial kiss on television. It was however, the first instance of in which a kiss between a black person and a white person on u. S. Television was ever scripted. As an earlier kiss on Moving with Nancy was unscrewed. What the is moving with Nancy? What is that? Nancy Sinatra special or Nancy kissed a black guy on tv? Is that what they're saying?

[Joe Rogan]

That's pissing me off now. I don't know why.

[Jamie Vernon]

I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.

[Joe Rogan]

Her father was not okay with that.

[Jamie Vernon]

I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.

[Producer/Assistant]

Let me check.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Find out what she did. What the happened?

[Joe Rogan]

Like a variety show.

[Jamie Vernon]

So was it like her and just a singer or something? Was it a show where they would sing each other? What happened here? Sammy Davis Jr. Oh, Sammy Davis Jr. Kissed her.

[Producer/Assistant]

Oh, that's song and dance.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's kind of with her.

[Producer/Assistant]

That's what it says. Probably look it up.

[Jamie Vernon]

But. But is that. It says an interracial kiss between Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. Oh boy. He kissed. He passionately kissed his friend's daughter.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, bro.

[Jamie Vernon]

Those people were freaks back then.

[Joe Rogan]

That's hot.

[Jamie Vernon]

They were freaks. This is it. That brat pack, that rat pack, those guys were animals. Look at that. Oh, that's on the cheek, bro. He kissed her on the cheek. Zoom in on that. That's outrageous. That's a nice friendly kiss. That's not a passionately kissed. Let me see that close in on there. Yeah, he kissed her on the cheek. Don't you think it looks like the cheek. It looks like right here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. A little side.

[Jamie Vernon]

Side of that little. That's like a sweet thing. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Italian men do that to each other.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. That's not a. That's not a kiss on the lips.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

That doesn't count. I say Star Trek's the first because that was like, let's get down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So nuts, dude. Yeah. I mean my, my mom, my mom was white and my dad was like afro Latino. Like dark skinned, like he looked black, like straight. He looked like easy E. I was gonna show you a picture of my dad. It's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's funny.

[Joe Rogan]

He looks straight up, like easy and it's like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean that even in the 80s growing up, that was kind of like. It was weird. I remember the first time I saw an interracial couple in high school. I'm 44. I'm not, I'm not that old. But like, it was weird. I remember just seeing like in like the 10th grade, this like hot white chick started dating this like football player black kid. It wasn't that regular where I grew and I grew up an hour outside of New York City.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. And it was controversial. It opened you up to all sorts of like, you get yelled at by people, you get attacked. There's a lot of people that they dealt with a lot of back then, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, racism's back. Don't worry.

[Jamie Vernon]

It kind of never went away. But it's. It comes in waves of encouragement where people, people think like, it's okay, it's okay to be racist. It's okay to be this, to be that.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a weird. It was a weird thing where it's like, like a lot of us were just being ironic and funny for a while. You make racial jokes. You make jokes about anything like that. I think you could make a joke about anything. It's a comedian's job. And then it like shifted once, like social media became so like big and everyone's opinion. You can anonymously just say whatever you want, dude. If you wanted to. You want to say something racist anonymously, you got to write it on a bathroom wall. You have to be like, I hate n words right on the wall in

[Jamie Vernon]

a market while you're taking a.

[Joe Rogan]

And then somebody else responds to it underneath it and they're like, well, yeah, I hate you, cracker. And then it goes.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was always fun. Like bathroom walls were fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. Phone number. Call this number.

[Jamie Vernon]

You give your ex girlfriend's phone number on the wall.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, of course.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Those. Those are the days.

[Joe Rogan]

The original doxing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well that was also. Those like the, the. That's the original message board.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's the original YouTube comments.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right. That's original comments on an X post is the bathroom wall.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it. And that's the only thing that's as far as it can go. Was maybe 12 people a day would see your shit anonymously. But it felt so good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just nig I any interracial high school. I can't remember any of them. Oh, no one. I do remember one. But I do remember there's a lot of push back, man. Like a lot of people were like openly racist about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's eventually has to go away, but it's like it's going away in waves. Like it used to be normal. Like everybody was racist. The whole world was racist.

[Joe Rogan]

I think everyone is bigoted.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a little different.

[Joe Rogan]

A little different than racist. Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, everyone was tribal. Right. Like, you could only trust the 150 people that you lived with. You could barely trust them. You could barely trust them. They were probably trying to be the tribal chief and fuck people over and fuck the chief's wife. That shit's always gone on. But for sure, if there was a group that you didn't know and they showed up, they were there to kill you. 100%. Yes. A bunch of guys show up. There's 15 guys, they show up, but you're. They're trying to kill you.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, also, pre Internet, you. You had to coexist, right. You had to. The only people you can communicate with, you go to the grocery store. It's an Indian guy or a black guy or a Puerto Rican guy. It's like, no, I gotta buy a tomato. So we're just gonna do what we need to. I'm gonna give you my dollar, you're gonna give me a tomato. And I'm gonna say, have a good day.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is an America in a city in the 20th century and then the 21st century.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

What I'm saying is we're hardwired for the olden days.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is why it's so easy to get people to join a team, whether it be a Democrat or be a Repub or whatever the it is. It's so easy because people are programmed to be in tribes, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they want an identity. Yeah. It's. It's easy.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's an enemy. They want an enemy too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. You have a. You feel like you're on a side. You feel. You don't really have to do much thinking.

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, whatever. Whatever they say I agree with.

[Jamie Vernon]

Gives you comfort that you're surrounded by other people. I used to think that when I was young, when I would watch, like, religious preachers on television, I was watching those, like, these Islamic guys, and they were talking about Islam and the way the certainty in the fact that what they were saying was true. Like, the way they were saying, like, all these other religions mean nothing because Islam is the truth. And they were like, yep. Like, they believed it. Like, I'm like, it must feel great to believe something 100 like that and to have a bunch of other people around you that also believe it it 100%. No if, ands or buts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

The reality is no one knows about anything until you experience it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So you don't really know what's going to happen in heaven. If heaven's real, you don't know any of that. No, but you're so convinced. And my question is, by what?

[Joe Rogan]

I wish I had any sort of spiritual faith.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what I keep saying. Come up with a good cult, I'll join it.

[Joe Rogan]

Doggy. I, I just can't. I. Whatever. Since I was a little kid, I remember just being a little kid and think, having the thought God's not real and then trying, because I was raised Catholic, just suppressing it, being like, I can't think that I'm gonna burn in hell if I even think the idea that God isn't real. It's like a. What a weird psychotic thing to do to like a five year old kid. Yeah. You know, and yeah, it's like, yeah, you, you sort of like that. The idea of faith, it, it actually seems like really like kind of freeing. Like the idea of like, dude, I'm gonna die and I'm gonna go heaven. I'm going to experience everything that I've ever wanted. I mean, that sounds incredible. I, it's. For me, it's like I feel like I'm counting down until I'm going to sleep forever. Like I have nothing after. I really don't believe in any of that. When people get into like these heated, passionate like debates about certain things, like abortion's a great topic for this concept. When you're trying to convince somebody that's religious, like to be pro life, you're like, you don't understand what's going on there, dude. They believe you're murdering a baby. You're not going to convince somebody that, like, oh, well, let me, let me, let me try to break this down for you right now. Let me try to give you a different angle on this. No, they believe that that's a life, a conception. They believe it's a soul. They really believe that deep down. And that is like, like I kind of go like, well, I respect that. Like, I'm not gonna, like, I'm pro life. Right. I was raised by, by women and I just kind of grew up in New York. We always sort of had that sensibility.

[Jamie Vernon]

Do you mean pro choice? Is that what you.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sorry, I'm pro choice. I apologize. But when I, my son was born, or even when I first saw the heartbeat, I remember I was like, that's a life right there. The heartbeat, that six weeks, whatever it was, I was like, that's a fucking life right there. But when you're dealing with religious people who believe that that's a soul and that is like the Second, it's conceived. You're trying to convince them that it's okay to kill a baby. Right. And it's never gonna happen.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, no, it's never gonna happen. And I don't know who's right. That's the real problem. Problem. Like for convenience sake and for living your life on your own terms sake. And the. See, my take on it is, first of all, I'm not a woman. And if you're talking about this and there's no chance of you ever getting pregnant, that's a weird thing because you. Like, conceptually. Yeah, that's a life. No doubt. I mean, not even conceptually. Objectively, that's a life. It's going to become a human. But who, like, who am I to say, Especially in cases where, like incest and rape and, you know, crazy. Who am I to say that you have to raise that kid, that you have to. That that life has to. You have to change your body for the next nine months, maybe irrevocably. I mean, maybe it'll just change your body forever. Maybe you'll have stretch marks forever.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because of this. Because of this horrible thing that happened to you. Because everybody says that this life is precious.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, every time you got a feed at breakfast, you got.

[Jamie Vernon]

If that was for men, if men got pregnant, abortion would be at gas stations, fill it up and take it out. It would be. There's not a fucking chance in hell it would be.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a bit.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was just not a chance in hell that it would be a debate. Yeah, it wouldn't be a debate. Men make the laws and men could get pregnant. Men would have abortions everywhere. Yeah. There's no fucking chance you'd be able to tell another man that he's going to have to keep a baby now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's very complex. And I understand both sides of it, you know, I really do. I. When. When people say that's a life, you can't. It's like, I'm. Like, I really get that. And when people go like, it's a woman's body and sort of race to choose if she wants to eject this from her body before a certain time? It's.

[Jamie Vernon]

The weird thing is, like, at what point in time, like, could you stop it when it's a clump of cells? Can you stop it when it's almost a fetus? You know what I mean? Like, it gets. It's. It's such a human problem in that there's no. It's It's a weird sloppy.

[Joe Rogan]

I think when it grows. When it grows a nose. Yeah. Before it hits it. Before it grows a nose or fingers.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's going to be a kid that maybe wins an Olympic gold medal.

[Joe Rogan]

If it's got web fingers still, it

[Jamie Vernon]

could be a kid that is. Sabrina Carpenter is on stage in front of all those people. You know what I mean? That's the weird thing about life.

[Joe Rogan]

It could be somebody that changes the world.

[Jamie Vernon]

It could be literally.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. If you look at like child development, like, month to month, I mean, when my son was being born, I was just like, obsessively, like, looking at it. It starts looking like a baby way earlier than you think. And the problem is you can still abort it when it looks like a baby. And that's. It's just a.

[Jamie Vernon]

You get aborted when it is a baby.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

In certain cases.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, if it's like, medically.

[Jamie Vernon]

I knew a guy, his girlfriend had a late term abortion. It was horrible.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Jamie Vernon]

Horrible to know that, like, she was showing. It was.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there was. That.

[Jamie Vernon]

This was in the 90s.

[Joe Rogan]

There was a one video that went viral a while ago, and it was like they were talking to somebody in an abortion clinic with like a hidden cell phone camera. And they were like, well, what happens if you abort the fetus? You remove the fetus and it's still alive, like on the table. And they were like, well, we would have to at least extinguish life or something like that. It was like, pretty crazy. Yeah, it's like, so when the baby's out, you're gonna kill them. That you're just gonna kill. It's. Call it what it is. You're gonna kill a baby. It's bonkers.

[Jamie Vernon]

And that's why, like, you could understand why Christians would think that's demonic.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, anyone. Anyone would think that's demonic.

[Jamie Vernon]

You could totally understand that. And to ignore that and throw it into this. No, but I, you know, I believe in the woman's right to choose. Okay, me too, but what's that? Yeah, like, what are we saying here? Like, you're gonna just kill the baby when it's alive outside the womb, Is it viable? Like, could it be grow up and become one of your friends? Like, what are we doing maybe? You know what I'm saying? Could it. Could that baby grow up and just live?

[Joe Rogan]

Live.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. And just have a wonderful life and have a great job. It's weird, man, because, like, what is life and why? It's very precious to us. Because if we don't have it, then we don't have a say in what's going on. But we're really just a bunch of atoms and particles and molecules and everything's spinning around at a different frequency. That's what we really are.

[Joe Rogan]

Mushrooms are kicking in, Joe.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're not even just. I'm just saying, like. Like we're so obsessed with life.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And that's why this is such a fascinating conversation. It's also a fascinating conversation because men can't get pregnant. Yeah. It's a weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think they can, right? They can carry the baby. We can't get pregnant, but I think you could.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, they're talking transmitter. Talking about getting uteruses implanted in their body and then getting pregnant and having an abortion. I want to be the first person to do that, which just shows you how I got to be honest. Really healthy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's pretty hilarious.

[Jamie Vernon]

It would be a good bit. It'd be something Stevo would do.

[Joe Rogan]

It really would be.

[Jamie Vernon]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm going to put a baby and abort it. How great is that? That's funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, he would do it if there wouldn't be any social pushback. Yeah, that. That one's, you know, that's tough.

[Joe Rogan]

A little bit of a tough one.

[Jamie Vernon]

He almost got tit implants.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. He told me that.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

Don't do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Ouch. You going to get your chest carved open?

[Joe Rogan]

Can you get a dick tattooed in his face?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yes. Right over his eyebrow.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a lunatic.

[Jamie Vernon]

It took me like a few seconds to realize it was a dick, too. I'm like, okay. Last time I saw you didn't have that.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Yeah. He's a wild. He's a fucking wild one.

[Jamie Vernon]

That nuclear scientist thing or the UFO scientist thing. Is there anything do that? Do we know. Why don't you throw that into our ad or sponsor Perplexity? What does it say?

[Producer/Assistant]

It's obviously an online link.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right, but I mean, the White House is investigating.

[Producer/Assistant]

No, that. They're bringing it up. They're investigating because so many people are asking about it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that's. It's that easy. Let's find out if Michelle Obama has a dick. If the White House is like, we have an unprecedented number of people asking this question. It's our duty to do the work for the American people.

[Producer/Assistant]

They do. Why? They all had a, like, security clearance and all happen to work in similar fields like nuclear fission, fusion.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, so what ties the 11 together? Many recently clearances or indirect access to sensitive government work, often via NASA, the Department of Energy's nuclear labs, the Air Force, or major defense contractors. Their deaths or disappearances occurred between 2022 and early 2026, clustered enough in time to draw political and media attention. The White House has ordered agencies such as FBI, NASA, the Department of Energy, and the Department of War to perform link analysis to see if there is any beyond coincidence. So one of them was real weird where there was like a lady who was hiking and she was with a bunch of friends. Her friend turned around and asked her a question, she talked to her, and then she turned around again and she was gone. And they have no idea what happened. They never found a body. They brought the dogs in, the dogs couldn't find her, just gone.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Jamie Vernon]

But here's my question. If I was her and I thought that they were trying to whack me and I was going hiking with my friends and I was at the back of the line, that's where I'd be if I was gonna make a run for it, right? If I thought all these people were bringing me up there, these fucking fellow scientists to chuck me off the cliff, right? I might be in the back and then I might, if I'm paranoid, maybe I ate an edible before I went on this hike to be a little closer to nature. And I'd look at that person in front of me, I'm like, I'm gonna wait until they turn that right around that turn and I'm f. Like Homer

[Joe Rogan]

Simpson into the bushes.

[Jamie Vernon]

And then she just booked it down that hill and hopped in her car. Got an Uber waiting for disappeared. Case you're thinking of is Monica Jacinto Reza. 60 year old aerospace engineer linked to NASA, JPL and Advanced Rocket Engine Materials Research. She disappeared on June 22, 2025 while hiking in the Angeles National Forest, Los Angeles County. County on a well traveled trail. I know where that place is. I've been to that spot. Reports say she was hiking with at least one friend companion. The friend was roughly 30ft ahead, turned to check on her, saw her smile and wave that she was fine. That a short time later looked back again and she was gone. Despite intensive searches, no confirmed trace of her has been found. And her case is now one of the central examples of missing or dead scientist cluster being reviewed by federal agencies. Yeah, that's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

She disappeared. She. She was like this. She saw all these other scientists being murdered and she was like, I'm out, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Because if you were a scientist, you'd probably be paying attention to other scientists getting whacked.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. On the same projects.

[Jamie Vernon]

Especially if somebody started talking.

[Joe Rogan]

You're in an empty office.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're in there, you're in the coffee station and someone's like. Did you hear what happened to Ted? Ted's dead. He shot himself twice

[Joe Rogan]

from long range.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wait a minute. Anti gravity Ted. Anti gravity turd is dead.

[Joe Rogan]

He kill with a sniper rifle. It was pretty crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Get the out of here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm going hiking with Monica. I don't trust Monica. That Monica's trying to kill you. I don't trust out there hiking. And Monica turns and waves at her.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't trust hiking. She was probably killed by a bear or a mountain lion.

[Jamie Vernon]

You could get. You could get got.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't know. People cam. His brother almost got killed by a mountain lion and had this crazy story about it. And he's a. Like a distance runner. He's one of those ultra marathon guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And his brother told this video about like what had happened to him. He was running down the road and it was like dusk out, like starting to get dark. And he saw these eyes, these glowing eyes in the bushes. And he yelled at it because he thought it was a coyote. And it stands up and it's a fucking mountain lion. And so then it starts chasing him and he goes, I couldn't have used pepper spray because if I did I would have sprayed myself because it was that close.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

He goes, I yelled at it. I kicked rocks at it. It kept. And he goes, I just ran. He goes, I think the thing that might have saved me was a bunch of dogs were barking.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it might have thought the dogs were out there.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're not out running a mountain lion.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, no, it was, it was running behind him. But not like a hundred percent committed to killing him yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, that's scary. Yeah, nature's scary.

[Jamie Vernon]

And people like, we need to make an overpass house in Los Angeles near these homes so the mountain lion can get across the track. No. Any retard mountain lion that goes across the 405 should get obliterated. That's. That's nature. That's nature. Hey, you thought that semi wasn't dangerous.

[Joe Rogan]

You

[Jamie Vernon]

that, that cat? Probably his brother, his sister. And that's. That's how he was born. And now he's in dumbass and he's supposed to get taken out. Out by a Subaru.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever see that? They. It was like all these inbred tigers.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Oh, white tigers.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude. And they were all, like, goofy.

[Jamie Vernon]

They have one at the Austin Zoo. Went to visit the Austin Zoo, and you looked at him, you're like, hey, what's going on?

[Joe Rogan]

Their tongues are hanging out.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, they're goofy looking. A bunch of those white ones are inbred because that's a weird, like, genetic thing, I guess, to have a white one.

[Joe Rogan]

Cute, though. I took my son to that tiger. Not the Tiger King, but it was the other guy. The ones who's in jail for tax evasion.

[Jamie Vernon]

Now Tiger King's in jail for murder, right?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. The. The. It was one of the guys.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not for murder, but for, like, trying to get someone murdered.

[Joe Rogan]

The other guy. What the. His name. He was the one who had all the girlfriends.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, the guy ran the little cult.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Cult going on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude. I brought my son there, and it was him. Dude. He came out. When they presented the elephant. It was. Why am I blanking on his name? Doc Antle.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He brought the elephant out himself. It was. Dude, it was such a fun show. Like, there was, like, a half day. It was like four or five hours.

[Jamie Vernon]

For what?

[Joe Rogan]

Tax evasion.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, these. Pay your taxes, people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's the dumbest way to get got.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's crazy. Oh, and while. Yeah, money laundering. Char. I'm sorry.

[Jamie Vernon]

Money laundering. Money laundering.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wildlife trafficking and money laundering. That's a lot different than not paying your tax.

[Joe Rogan]

They have all of these baby tigers that they bring out, but they only have, like, two adult tigers. So what are they doing with these baby tigers?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, go back to that. Hold on. Make that larger. What does it say here? It says 12 months for pleading guilty for. In a conspiracy to violate the Lacy act and launder more than $500,000 for what he believed to be an operation to smuggle illegal immigrants into the United States across the Mexico border. Oh, this is a lot different than that. That, like, he was getting illegal immigrants across the border for money.

[Joe Rogan]

He was, yeah, he was.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's crazy. So that's not just, like, wildlife stuff and taxes. Like, this guy was, like, illegal immigrant trafficking. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This guy was. Wow, a bad dude, probably. But he did have a bunch of,

[Jamie Vernon]

like, a sweet cult going on.

[Joe Rogan]

Young, hot chicks. I had a. I knew a girl that I dated who went and interviewed, and she was like. It felt like I was interviewing for porn. I showed up and it was like. I don't know. The other girls were like, oh, you're gonna have to, like, be a part of this.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, well, the thing about this guy

[Joe Rogan]

but for a baby tiger, dude, I gotta be honest with you. They're really cute.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're adorable.

[Joe Rogan]

I get it. Women are so dumb. They're like baby tigers. I'll suck his dick. Fine.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I think they just want to belong to something. And this guy comes along and he's charismatic, and you belong to his little family. Family. Five girls, they're all hanging out together, blowing this one fat guy,

[Joe Rogan]

Smuggling Mexicans and mur. Baby tigers.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, that's the thing about those kind of guys. This is why I was going to say about the. The smuggling and the Mexicans. Those kind of guys are never happy with whatever they've gotten away with. They always want to keep pushing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, he was not happy that he's an ugly guy with a cult, you know, of. Of hot chicks.

[Joe Rogan]

You did it.

[Jamie Vernon]

And tigers.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're a millionaire. You have tigers and hot chicks. That's all you need.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're in a TV show. You're good. You're good. You don't have to smuggle in the Mexicans, too. But those kind of guys are always. They just can't stop punching.

[Producer/Assistant]

Pushing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can't stop pushing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think. Yeah. It's. Whatever it is you. You. Whatever level it is, you always want to level up. No matter what.

[Jamie Vernon]

No matter what.

[Joe Rogan]

Bobby Kelly said that to me about Louie back in the day. He was like, you know, because we all. We're all. Everyone's insecure. Commute. Everyone in New York's insecure. Everyone in LA and Austin. You guys. You guys are. You guys love life. You're just living life to your foes. Everyone in New York's like, I'm gonna kill myself. I hate life. It sucks.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think it's the environment. Environment. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's a rough city. It's a really rough city.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a great city. It's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's amazing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Cities in general is a weird concept. Shoving a bunch of people way too close to each other for long periods of time. It has an effect.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also like. It's just a. It's a rough city, dude. It's. Even when. Even like, the highest level, like, if you're doing well.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You still gotta walk up those subway stairs. And it's just like. Just hot air in the summertime down. If you try to take the subway or, you know, sitting in New York traffic or just like, crazy homeless people walking around. You gotta, like, really want to be there to stand it. I. I did it for 20 years. I moved to the Suburbs during the pandemic. And I. I love new. I still love New York. I go to New York a few times a week still. But it is. It is definitely a young man city where you gotta, like. You gotta be there to, like, I'm trying to become the best comic or a dancer, work on Wall street or whatever it is. Like, that's true.

[Jamie Vernon]

But I know a lot of old people that love it too, man. They'll never leave. They love, love it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they get used to the life.

[Jamie Vernon]

They love the energy. There's just people around them all the time. There's something going on everywhere you look. You can get food at three o' clock in the morning. You could. I mean, as far, if you're a city person like Ari, like, it's the greatest place on earth. Yeah, it. There's no place like New York City.

[Joe Rogan]

Ari spends I don't even know how much on rent, but probably $50,000 a month for a room where you can touch all the walls. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's stupid. It's stupid. And now if you're rich and you own property and you don't stay there, they're gonna. They're gonna tax you more. There's a new thing that really, Mom, Donnie just came out with, and everyone's like, yeah, the billionaires. Like, okay, the billionaires. Until it's the thousandaires, it's all.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not even just billionaires like, we're talking about. You don't have to be particularly wealthy to own property. Like, it's a good investment with the money that you have.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right. But this particular bill is about more than $5 million value homes. So if you have an apartment in New York City, it's worth more than $5 million, you get taxed more. Yeah. And he's like, saying it won't be that big a deal and it'll give the city $500 million in extra revenue that they could use for all kinds of things they want to do. Which is great if you've cut out all the fraud, but you haven't. And so you're not even concentrating on the fraud. You're not even admitting the fraud exists. You're not even admitting the waste exists. You.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

How about you tell us where all the money to NGOs went? How about you tell us that? How about you tell us where all the homeless money went? What'd you spend it on? There's all these homeless people. It seems like, no, someone didn't do a good job and got a Lot of money that happened and you want more money. That's the crazy answer.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's also, like, the idea that rich people are inherently, like, privileged. It's very bizarre. Like, I'm not rich, but I do pretty well. Like, I do. I do better than, you know, much better than the average American financially. You know, a lot of people would consider me. Me, you know, pretty well to do. But, like, I grew up welfare, drug addict, mother, dad stabbed. When I was four years old, I had to. I spent 15 years doing comedy, making $0 investing into this thing to hopefully one day on the other side of it, be able to reap the benefits of it. So now that I've finally broken through the other side, you're like, oh, well, no, you don't deserve all that money. We deserve some of that money. That's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. There's a weird concept in this country, and it's because of the billionaire class. So there's a level of the game where they've passed so far. See, if everybody only got this is like what people would like to say, you know, being a millionaire is fine. Nobody should be a billionaire. We should have a cap on wealth. The problem with that is you're gonna also have a cap on motivation.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So a lot of these people are psychopaths. Yeah. A lot of these people that run these corporations are fucking psychopaths. And they work 16 hours a day, seven days a week. And the only reason why they do that that is because they know that they can make $100 billion if they do that. And if you stop that, you're going to stop iPhones, you're not going to have Lenovo laptops, you're not going to have any of these things if. If that's where it's weird for people. Like, you're not going to have an Amazon unless you have a guy who's a billionaire. Like, it's not going to. See, the thing is, people love these. It's not fair. You're right, it's not fair. And here's the thing. Would to be, it is fair.

[Joe Rogan]

It is fair. Life is kind of fair in a weird way.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hold, please. Depending on how you treat your employees.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's where we decide whether or not it's fair.

[Joe Rogan]

So you're saying that Amazon doesn't treat their employees well. I hear that a lot.

[Jamie Vernon]

I hear that a lot, too. I don't know if it's true, but what I do know is that there's a lot of complaints. And if there's a lot where there's smoke, probably some fire. I know that there's like some efficiency things where you have like a clock ticks off. Like if you order a. In a box of legal pads.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know those little notebooks. You have to. This guy has to get that in the box in like 30 seconds, whatever the it is. So he has to run around. Like, people are literally like moving quickly around the warehouse. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They're like, you hear stories and one thing, you have to take everything with a grain of salt. Like, employees become bitter sometimes. You know what I'm saying? Like, most people hate their boss.

[Jamie Vernon]

True. But that job does sound like it sucks. And it sounds like you're asking people to run around because you want to make the most money money possible, but you're paying them. Not that great. Like, that's a weird one because you're also setting up the inevitable, which is robots, because they're going to be able to do that way easier and quicker. They're going to know exactly where the product is. They're not going to have to look on their little iPad. They're going to know exactly where it is. They're going to go right to it, package it. They're going to print out instantaneously.

[Joe Rogan]

They're never going to the bathroom.

[Jamie Vernon]

Never leak. They don't need food.

[Joe Rogan]

Nope. They never complain you're.

[Jamie Vernon]

No matter what. Because they're going to lay off a bunch of people. There's no if. And oh yeah, that, that, that is

[Joe Rogan]

going to be really effective. You're talking about, like how AI and robots are going to like, affect certain industries, driving, you know, factory workers, things like that. That's all just going away. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's the real threat to your job. Not the billionaires. The thing is, like, you see a guy, whether it's like Elon Musk or someone like, I think Elon, supposedly worth like 800 billion now.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Jamie Vernon]

People just get really angry. They really get upset. And think about how much that would help if he gave his money away. And I get what you're saying, but the problem is give the money away to who? Give the money away to the people that have fucked up the money that we've already given them. You gotta be honest about. Look, the idea is great. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Elon Musk just gave away $100 billion and we completely fixed all poverty and homelessness is gone. No more food problems, everyone. No starvation on earth.

[Joe Rogan]

The idea that, that throwing money at homeless people is just going to fix the problem.

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I'm, believe me, I, I have empathy. I'm not going like, oh, the homeless. I, I don't have that attitude at all. But at the same time, it's like, wherever you go, there you are.

[Jamie Vernon]

The idea of giving the government money to fix things, oh, that's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's insane. That's actually, if you ever try to, that's why this. Try to go to a government building, you, you see the inefficiency. If you just try to call to, to get some information about your taxes. If you try to call the irs, you see the inefficiency. You're like, there's no fucking way, dude. And it's just, honestly, it's designed to be that way. It's designed to be really intricate and difficult and there's a lot of people that have to get paid. So it's like that. And that's why I was so excited about Elon and Trump getting together and doing the Doge. Yeah, yeah, Doge. I was like, what a great idea. Two real brilliant business minds trying to figure out government efficiency and trying to save us money. I was like, they're going to do it. And of course, nothing happened.

[Jamie Vernon]

This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Lots of places can accidentally expose you to identity theft. Doctor's offices, online retailers, insurance companies. The list goes on. Thankfully, Lifelock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats to your identity, which is way more than anyone can do on their own. LifeLock keeps an eye on your personal information, credit applications, finances, and more. And if they find anything suspicious, like new loans or changes to your financial accounts, they alert you right away through text, phone, email, or the LifeLock app. App alerts are automatically activated the moment you become a Lifelock member. No extra work on your part. Get alerts that can make all the difference. Join LifeLock now. Visit LifeLock.com jre and save up to 40% your first year. That's LifeLock.com jre for 40% off. Terms apply. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. When you're picking out plants for your garden, there's a million options. Even after considering things like climate, season and setup, you still have a lot to choose from. Even figuring out which tomato plant to buy could be a headache because you need to look at the actual plant. Is it flowering? Does it have signs of new growth? Hiring managers? I know you run into the same problem. With too many resumes to go through. How do you make sure you're talking to the right people. Well, the answer for you is easy. Zip Request Recruiter. Try it for free at ziprecruiter.com Rogan ZipRecruiter is making hiring simple and fast with its latest feature. It helps identify top talent who have the right skills and are interested in your role. They can even tell you why they're interested in their own words so you can get a sense of who they are. Cut through the standard and get to the standouts with Zipper Recruiter. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. And now you can try it for [e-mail] Rogan that ziprecruiter.com Rogan meet your match at ZipRecruiter. Well, some things happened. A lot of things did get shut down. And it also opened up to the understanding of what an NGO is and where the money goes, goes. And when people found out how many NGOs there are and how much money gets spent, they're like, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can we get an accounting of this stuff? Like, this sounds nuts. There's so much money that's being sent out to these nonprofits and these organizations. Like, did you see here when Spencer Pratt was on the podcast?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I didn't.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's running for mayor of New York, or, excuse me, of Los Angeles. And one of the things that he was talking about was the fire aid. Like, so the money that they generated, over $100 million was generated for the people that lost their homes in the Pacific Palisades fire. All of it went to these NGOs. Like, it went to. He said. What did he say? 20 different. How many different? 200 different. I think it was 200 different. 200 different nonprofits got the money that was supposed to go to the houses. The people that lost their house.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

$100 billion. And they just divvied it up.

[Joe Rogan]

And how much of that money. 20% goes to actual people.

[Jamie Vernon]

The rest is they don't even know how many people are getting benefit from it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's. I mean, if you. There's like, lists of, like, charities and nonprofits and how. What the percentage is that actually goes.

[Jamie Vernon]

But this one people saying they divide it up between 200 different nonprofits. How about give it to the people? Yeah, because the thing about these nonprofits, they rely on that kind of money in order to pay their. Their staff. And some of these. You find out some of these people that are working for these government agencies Another thing that Spencer has uncovered, there's, like, a ton of them that are making more than a half a million dollars a year.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But there's a weird thing with, like, the nonprofits. Like, all right, if you. If you have to attract, like, a CEO from, like, a major corporation to come and make this nonprofit efficient and to really generate as much revenue as possible, like, if they're making more money because they have a really competent CEO and a really competent staff, and only 20% of it is going to help people, but it's still 200% of what the next company is doing. I guess it's worth it, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the thing is, they're not a company. They're the government. So they're not held accountable. They're not supposed to be efficient. They don't have to be profitable. They don't have to do, like, a good audit of their business. This is one of the things that Elon said. If any of these fucking companies, he's like, if any one of them that, like, where they just sent out billions of dollars and they have no accounting, and overseas, he goes, if you were a part of a publicly traded company, you would be tried. You would. Your company would lose credit. Yeah. Your company would fall off the stock market. It would be like a bullshit company now, and you would go to jail. Like, you can't. That's totally illegal. But in government, it's standard practice. So the inefficiency is built in. I was reading something about California. Tell me if this is true. They were talking about California. California's. See, put this into perplexity. California. The percentage of people that live in California went up by a small amount, but the percentage of government went up by a large amount. The percentage of people with government jobs went up considerably, whereas the population didn't go up. I don't know if this is true. This is why I want to have it looked up. But when you just stop and think about the fact that it's a business to hire people, to be inefficient, efficient, and that it's within your best interest to not just never be efficient and never solve the problem, because if you do, you're out of a job, but also to make the problem bigger every year so you could hire more people and get a bigger raise and a bigger thing. And that's why this homeless thing in California, it's like more than $24 billion they spend on the homeless.

[Joe Rogan]

On what, though? What are they doing exactly? What are they.

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly. So they've Tried to get audits, and Newsom has vetoed the. The audits.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Which is crazy that they could say, no, you can't find out if any fraud or any waste has happened with tax dollars. No, we're going to stop that investigation.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's crazy. Yeah. And that. That's. I would vote for almost anybody who. If they just said, I'm going to cut your taxes in half, they have my vote.

[Jamie Vernon]

The problem is, what are you doing with the taxes? There should. If AI has a role in solving this, this what AI should be able to do. It's like we should say, yeah, you tax me a fair amount. I'm happy to pay taxes. If I'm. If it's going to public schools and public roads, I absolutely feel very happy to contribute. And I want the world to be a better place because of my tax dollars. But also, where is it going?

[Joe Rogan]

It's going to.

[Jamie Vernon]

Where's it going?

[Joe Rogan]

Bomb school children overseas and to fund wars that most people don't want. So.

[Jamie Vernon]

And transgender dancing in Indonesia, like, is

[Joe Rogan]

that a thing that's happening?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, there's weird shit. They spent $250 million doing transsexual operations on animals. Experimenting on animals to turn them trans. No, no, no bullshit. No bullshit. 250. It was $251 million.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. They spent $2 million giving cocaine to dogs. California's population has dipped slightly since 2020, while government jobs have been one of the few areas of job loss growth. So, yes, government employee employment has generally increased even as the population growth stalled or reversed. So what is the percentage. So total job growth has slowed sharply. Statewide employment grew by only about half of a percent in 2023, then actually fell slightly down about 11,200 jobs, or 0.1% in 2025. 5 state overall is only a few percent in jobs compared with before the pandemic, and it lags the national growth rate. So how many more jobs? What's the percentage more?

[Joe Rogan]

Is it because people are leaving California?

[Jamie Vernon]

So it says in 2025, private employers, there's a lot of that cut about 31,000 jobs, while government employers years added about 20,200 jobs, driven mostly by a gain of 45,800 local government positions. So they added 45,000 government positions, while private employers cut 31,000 jobs. So they just keep making the government bigger. So the economy fuels the government, the government controls the economy. It's all nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, when you say government job, that's like people like a clerk that works in like the courthouse, that also counts, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but they also do weird shit, like they have to have new regulations. They have to have people that make regulations now and justify their jobs. If there's a lot of government jobs. So then you get wacky rulings. Like California recently, they're banning blackjack in casinos. No more blackjack.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not blackjack?

[Jamie Vernon]

Putting a foot down. No more blackjack. And River City.

[Joe Rogan]

Why? Why no blackjack? I don't understand it.

[Jamie Vernon]

No one understands it.

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can play poker, you can't play blackjack. How about you stay away from me? Yeah, how about If I earn $2,000 in a week and I want to take 500 and go to the casino and try to win more or lose it?

[Joe Rogan]

How about you stay the out of it?

[Jamie Vernon]

You leave me the alone. You're just another human being. You should have no. No opinion.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they wanted. The government wants to get their hands in every vice, right? Because they know. They know we can't. We can't give up our vices. We can't give up alcohol and weed and cigarettes and gambling and prostitution.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're not getting rid of gambling. That's the thing. They're still paying. The casinos still pay taxes.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

You just eliminated one of their ways to make money.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there. Was there a public reason why they've said it?

[Jamie Vernon]

I'd like to find out. Yeah, let's find out.

[Joe Rogan]

What. What's the only game?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like, that's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Do you know what you're doing? Are you a wild. Who hits 17?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I'm good. I'm good at blackjack. I mean, I'm good. I'm. I know the rules of the book and I play by the rules and I sit down at the table expecting to lose everything, and if I don't, I'm happy. That's that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Jamie wants some money, Shane wants some money.

[Joe Rogan]

Blackjack.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, they were doing pretty good. Watching Dana White do it is. Gives you anxiety, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, just like crazy bets.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was $600,000 down when I met him there.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was like, dude, this is crazy. And I was watching these people. That kid, Aiden Ross, you know that streamer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

That kid lost a million bucks. And just like I lost a million. Like, how much is he making?

[Joe Rogan]

I take 500 out every time.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jimmy.

[Producer/Assistant]

According to this, it was banned from card rooms. Not because the casinos. It's kind of a different thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that's right. It is a card room where they play poker. That's right, because their casinos are different. Their casinos are only, like, in.

[Producer/Assistant]

And that's what this whole thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Indian places, right?

[Producer/Assistant]

It says this whole reservations.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, same thing in Jersey, New York.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, 90s.

[Jamie Vernon]

So that's right. But what is. Wait a minute. What's the Bicycle Club Casino? Isn't that a casino? I don't know who runs it, but it's on. It's in California. Like, it's in, like, Orange County Bicycle Club Casino. So the reason why I know about that place is I used to go there to watch professional pool tournaments. And then that was the first time I realized, like, oh, there's a casino in California, like, right off the highway. I think it's off what. What highway is that off of? But it's like, if you're going down to, like, doing a gig in San Diego, you'll. You'll pass by this place if you go down one of the roads. Seven, ten. Yeah, there you go. But so what is that? Do they have blackjack there? Because I know they had poker there, you know? Ari Shafir, during his early days of comedy, would make a living going to poker tournaments, playing. Yeah, that's how good he is at poker.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah. He would snap off poker tournaments all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people are good. I like. It's just a patience thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, he just plays it like, for him, it was a job. He's like, I play it like it's a job. He's like, these people all get drunk and they all get high and they're all fucking stupid. They make dumb choices. He goes, I place smart against idiots, and they get drunk and I win money.

[Producer/Assistant]

It says it's technically a poker card room. This says they have blackjack, but maybe they fell in the rules where they're not allowed to have it now, too.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right. Three card poker and Bakarat. We were talking about Bakarat the other day because that's what Dana White's moved to because you give more money.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that like. It's kind of like blackjack, but no, I'm thinking of the Asian one. What's the Asian one?

[Jamie Vernon]

I have no idea. What, Bakara?

[Joe Rogan]

It's three cards you got to get.

[Jamie Vernon]

How many cards is baccarat? I have no idea how to play it. I don't know what it is. I've just heard it before. Yeah, I've heard that name before. I've never looked into it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I. I mean, I look at it as, like, going to, like. I don't like Baseball. But, like, I go to a baseball game and eat hot dogs and drink beer. It's like the same thing as casino. Like, I'm not a big gambler. I'm like, I'm just gonna drink and I'm gonna have fun. Hang out with a chick.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, it just seems like you can't win.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it's also. What are you doing? What are you doing just rolling dice every day? That's crazy. That's a. You're spiking your adrenaline every day and dice for your mortgage.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's just a. It's just a. It's a game with stakes. We.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bakarat is a comparing card game played between two hands, the player and the banker. Each Bakara coup round of play has three possible outcomes. Player, player has the higher score, banker and tie. Okay.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, they like it because you. It's one quick bet, and you can bet up to 500k per hand, I think. And then you can also tie so you don't lose. It's not guaranteed win or lose.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Big swings. Big swings.

[Producer/Assistant]

No, but I watch people play these

[Jamie Vernon]

games, and, oh, look, I admire their balls.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Especially poker players. Like, you got to be a smart to. To win those big World Series of Poker things. Make a bunch of money playing poker.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That was one of my favorite scenes from Rounders, where they. They talk about how. I always use that, like, analogy in life. Or they talk about people like, oh, they think it's luck. They think that, you know, it's the luck of the draw. And it's like, if it was luck, why is it the same eight guys at the final table of the World Series of Poker every single year?

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, you're not playing the cards. You're playing the game. You're playing each other. I kind of, like, look at that, like, in life, and I'm like. It's like the cards don't really matter as much as how you play them, you know?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. It's a complicated game. It's. And. But why is that? Okay, but blackjack isn't like, who says? Like, says who? Says who? Why? Why? You know what I mean? Why? Why? More regulations? I'll tell you why. Because they have to justify all these extra jobs. That's a lot of where regulations come from. And it's also there. It's fun. You could tell people what to do. No more flavored zins.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's, like, all these, like, just, like, weird things that don't. Like, there's, like, weird Laws. I live in Bergen County, New Jersey, and it's like, they have blue laws still. I don't know if you know what that is.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, Those are the best. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.

[Joe Rogan]

No, like, no, you can't buy clothes. You can't buy, like, furniture.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can't buy clothes.

[Joe Rogan]

Can't buy clothes on Sundays. Walmart. Walmart.

[Jamie Vernon]

What if you shit your pants? Are you new to town? You're.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta walk around and smell like. But Walmart in New Jersey, they rope off the clothing section. They have it set up to where, like, you literally can't go past it. You still buy food, but you can't go to the clothing section. Section.

[Jamie Vernon]

When I was a kid, there was no alcohol for sale in Sundays on. In Massachusetts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And so we had to go to New Hampshire to get beer. So we'd make a. What we call a packy run, because they would call them package stores. And, you know, with that Boston accent. Mush. You want to go to the packy? Yeah. And we. We.

[Joe Rogan]

Everyone's got Boston.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, Everybody was mush. There was a. There was a time there was a. This was a Newton north thing. And people from Massachusetts, I think. I think maybe people still use this, but they would call instead of. Dude, it would be mush.

[Joe Rogan]

Mush.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everybody was mush. Mush. We going mush. We going out. Like, girls would say it to you. Mush. You taking me out. It was weird. And it's only this one part of the city had mush. Like, my part didn't have mush. But a few people tried it out. It started catching on with my part of the city. But in Newton North, I was in Newton South. Dude, North. Everybody was mush. It was like everybody's neck. It was like a virus of. Of, like, language went through the entire city.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. Thick of thick accents from, like, certain American cities on women, just so unattractive.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's a rough one.

[Joe Rogan]

Boston.

[Jamie Vernon]

You gotta be really hot to bypass that accident.

[Joe Rogan]

Philly. You meet a girl from Philly.

[Jamie Vernon]

Rough one. Hard girls, but probably a lot of fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So we would. We'd have to drive to New Hampshire. So we take. We'd have to drive an hour and a half to go get booze.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no, that. That exists in certain places still. In New Jersey, it's like, you can't. Yeah, it's got to be a liquor store. Specifically. You can't buy beer in a supermarket. I grew up in. In the suburbs in New York. So you could buy beer in the supermarket. They made it where you couldn't buy wine for a while. Then for a couple years, you could buy wine. It's all these dumb laws.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're all Chick Fil A laws.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But yeah, Chick fil a is so silly. They take Sundays off for the Lord. That's like, bro, you're grinding chickens up with titanium and aluminum in it. Like, what the are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it's delicious. It's delicious.

[Jamie Vernon]

God damn, it's delicious.

[Joe Rogan]

If you make it delay. If you just make a delicious sandwich. I don't care. Care what your beliefs are.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's so delicious that even gay people eat there. Think of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

All the. That guy's talked about, the gays, the gay people, like, put it aside and have chicken.

[Joe Rogan]

Whatever.

[Jamie Vernon]

The chicken, he's just a. But they got. What is that weird ingredient that we found out was in the. The bread? It was something kooky, right?

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, it's aluminum something or other. But it's in a lot of things.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's in there.

[Joe Rogan]

It's in there.

[Producer/Assistant]

I've seen something about the blue lot.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can't.

[Producer/Assistant]

You can't buy a car on Sunday in Texas.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's hilarious. That's wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's so weird.

[Jamie Vernon]

That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What's funny is. So there's a mall in New Jersey. The Mall America American Dream Mall. Huge, huge, huge mall. Like one of these, like, super malls, right? Like, you know, a. There's a water park inside. There's a. There's a water park. Okay. There's a ski. You can learn skiing. A fake ski hill.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a fake snow hill.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Year round you take ski and snowboard lessons.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that would help so much.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so cool, dude. It's. It's really cool. They got, like, you know, a bunch of escape rooms. It's just a massive, massive mall. Yeah, yeah. Inside, dude, they got a water park. They got a Nickelodeon studios. There's like a theme park inside of the mall. It's a crazy mall. And they just said, fuck it, we're opening Sundays. There's a big sign right on the side. It's like, we're open Sundays. We don't care. And Paramus is suing them. Paramus is one of the biggest shopping cities in the country.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine the government is saying, you can't do business with a bunch of people that want to come to your business.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because it's a different day.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Jamie Vernon]

Fuck you.

[Joe Rogan]

But what's funny is it's not the government. I looked into this because I was going, like, what the fuck's going on here? The people. All these old fucking people that have been living in this community forever. It goes to a vote. And every year they go, no, no, no. We don't want traffic. We want Sundays in Bergen county to be fucking relaxing and nice and beautiful because there's no taxes, I think. I believe to this day on clothing. There's no taxes in Jersey. So we would do our school shopping in Jersey. When I was growing up, we would just drive 30 minutes to Bergen county and go to the mall.

[Jamie Vernon]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

You save money on taxes. So. Yeah. But yeah, that. That mall was just like it. And then a huge sign. I'm talking about, like, the mall so big, the sign. I don't even like. I don't know how you would make a sign this big, but it's just draped down the sign. We're down the side. We're open on Sundays. They didn't give a.

[Jamie Vernon]

So are they getting sued now?

[Joe Rogan]

They're getting sued by Paramus.

[Jamie Vernon]

I bet they're gonna win because it doesn't make sense. That law's stupid. Do you need business? Yes. Is the economy down? Yes. Yes. Wouldn't it be better if people had the option to be able to go to the mall on Sunday? Especially somebody who works every day. Maybe they have to work Saturday as well, and Sunday's their only day off. How about let them go there to buy some pants?

[Joe Rogan]

Y.

[Jamie Vernon]

You control freak.

[Joe Rogan]

Let him buy a hat. What's wrong with you?

[Jamie Vernon]

We're the government. We got guns. You can't shop here. You man. That's the problem is. The problem is these dudes dipshits just keep adding more and more regulations. Yeah, it's dumb. What else can you do in Texas on Sunday? What was that one that was dumb that you just said?

[Joe Rogan]

Can't buy a car.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can't buy a car.

[Producer/Assistant]

You couldn't sell things on consecutive weekend days, so everybody just sort of picked Saturday. It says, huh.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's ridiculous.

[Producer/Assistant]

You can't buy liquor on Sundays here.

[Joe Rogan]

Still in Texas, yeah.

[Producer/Assistant]

In a restaurant, but not store.

[Jamie Vernon]

So at the supermarket, what do they do? They say, we can't sell you that because it's Sunday. Monday you can. Pretty. It's the large day. We can't. We could sell you beer. You could drink yourself to death on some hooch. They give you some wine.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, you go to one city, it's like. Like. It's so strict. And you go to, like, New Orleans and, like, they're like, they just have, like, people hand you a beer at a window. You just walk down the street. You're partying in the streets, like.

[Jamie Vernon]

This episode is brought to you by blinds.com we made it. We're out of the dark, literally. The sun is coming back. Days are getting longer and long. Look, it's great, but some mornings you're not ready. The sun has no business blasting through your bedroom like it's trying to interrogate you. That's where having custom window treatments is a game changer. And blind socom, they make the whole process super easy. You want to do it yourself? Cool. Do your thing. You want a pro to handle everything? Measure it, install it, all of it. They've got you covered. It's all online, so you can shop whenever you want, but you still get access to real design professionals. They'll even send free samples right to your door. And listen, you can trust these guys. Blinds.com has been doing this for 30 years, and they back everything with a 100% satisfaction guarantee. So you're not guessing and just hoping it works out. You're ordering with confidence right now, listeners. This podcast get an exclusive 40% off with your entire order. Just go to blinds.com and use the promo code ROGAN40 at checkout. Limited time. Offer rules and restrictions apply. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. People always ask me what my website is powered by, and the answer is Squarespace. Their design tools are unmatched. You don't have to be a tech wizard to build something that actually looks professional and fits your brand. They've even got an AI powered website builder that lets you put together a fully custom site in just a few steps. Try it for yourself. Head to squarespace.com rogan for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, just use the offer code rogan to save 10 off your first purchase of a website or domain.

[Joe Rogan]

That's such a weird, like, differentiation between, like, each jurisdiction.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we were doing a gig down there, and the guy who was a driver, he was telling me about how he went somewhere else and the cops pulled him over because he had an open drink and he was walking out the street and he. And the. The cop goes, where are you from? And he goes, new Orleans. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that anywhere else. Like that thing that you.

[Joe Rogan]

Vegas. You do it in Vegas, can you? Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, that's good. I think you could do it on 6th street in Austin, can you? I think no, you can I think people do it.

[Producer/Assistant]

People definitely do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

They definitely do it. I've seen them.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, I don't think you're allowed to.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, is there any enforcement of that law?

[Producer/Assistant]

That's probably not the main thing they're worried about. I don't think most days.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bought a lot of sloppy fights on 6th Street.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a. There's entire YouTube and Instagram pages dedicated to six street fights. Just brutal.

[Jamie Vernon]

I saw.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw one. I don't know if it was six street, but I saw one. Where's a dude who obviously had like wrestling experience? I mean, dude, he suplexed this dude. He paralyzed the guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh God. He.

[Joe Rogan]

He suplexed the guy. Guy on the concrete completely laid out. Completely.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's like, God damn, dude. Just like that, two lives over, right? This guy, he's now a wheelchair for the rest of his life. This guy is going to jail. That's that. God. Over not being able to control your emotions.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, no, you're not allowed to do that in Nelson. Only on like certain events when it's like a festival or something.

[Jamie Vernon]

God, booze is so bad for people. Yeah, booze and being a young man and being foolish.

[Joe Rogan]

Ego.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, ego.

[Joe Rogan]

Just need the need to prove yourself.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also, like, you're a wrestler. You really know how to wrestle. You're gonna pile drive this dude into the concrete.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. It's weird because it's usually it's guys that don't know how to fight that are doing stupid guys that know to

[Jamie Vernon]

how a fight typically the other guy had it coming. I don't know what happened, but no one has that coming. But I mean, maybe he started the fight. I don't. You know, I shouldn't have said that in Todd had it coming. But having a. Any kind of a altercation on the concrete is so dangerous. Yeah. Dudes die all the time when they get KO'd. And most guys that. Especially if guys sucker punch guys and they just fall back and the whole weight of their body. Body bangs off the back of their head. It is so devastating. You might as well hit them with a giant metal crowbar. You might as well. Yeah, it's worse than getting hit with a baseball bat probably that falls so scary. And I've seen it so many times. Man on online.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, just six feet straight back. Your head just cracks on the concrete.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it's all that leverage from all of your weight. It's like a whip on the back of your. Your head. Heads crack wide open. Man.

[Joe Rogan]

There's like A guy who just got in trouble for, like, just pushing this. Some dude just having a bad day, just push this old guy to the ground. Guy cracked his head on the floor.

[Jamie Vernon]

I saw that. Yeah, Yeah, I saw that.

[Joe Rogan]

And the guy was like. He. That's. That was his argument or his. His defense was like, I was having a really bad day.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuts, dude. People are insane.

[Jamie Vernon]

I know. How about the people that push people in front of subways? How psycho is that? Yeah, there's people wait. They wait for a subway to come, and they want to push somebody in front of it just to watch. And then you have to, like, stand around hoping that one of those people isn't here while you're ready to get on your train.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. Yeah. In a place like New York or, you know, you know, really urban sort of environment where there's lots of crazies walking around.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You got to really just keep your eyes open, man.

[Jamie Vernon]

Be ready to sprawl.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Don't fall asleep. You might get lit on fire. That happens. That's happened all the time. That happened. I guess it is just the trends, but it happened, like, three or four times over the course of a year. It was like homeless people lighting other homeless people on fire.

[Jamie Vernon]

The crazy thing is, like, homelessness and crime are New York City's two number one problems that keep you unsafe. Those are the two that keep you unsafe. Not a mention. Not a mention. It's like, we need more tax money. Don't say you're going to use that to open up grocery stores there. Grocery stores already here. What you need to do is stop all these crazy. Lighting people on fire, pushing people in front of trains. Like, clean it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And then the world would be perfect.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Most of the time you hear about those people, like, they. They're like. They've been arrested 93 times for violent crimes. 92 times.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, they. The last one was a mistake.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's pretty goofy, that.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I see a little bit of.

[Jamie Vernon]

Get some of that people. People have that many arrests, and they just let them right back up. Cheers, sir.

[Joe Rogan]

Cheers, my friend.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey, there you are. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like, you know, you want to be nice, you want to be kind. You want to give people the benefit of the doubt. You want to give people a second chance. You don't want to put people in jail. The prison system's horrible. But also, when somebody gets arrested 93 times. Take a hint.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. There's bad apples.

[Joe Rogan]

But then, like, somebody will, like, you know, for tax evasion, we'll get 30 years in prison or something like that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, they.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a weird, bizarre system that we have.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right. Released 93 times for stabbing people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like, oh, you know, but if you insider trade. But lock that up, that's it.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I know there's nothing worse than you could do, is not give the government their money.

[Jamie Vernon]

They get real testy. Yeah, they don't like it. They don't like it. They need the cut. But it's also like, there's too much. There's too much government. And that's like a standard Republican thing to say, but just clearly it's true. Clearly it's true. Just by the market. If you see the California lost jobs and then gained government jobs, it's like, at what point in time do you get cynical and start saying maybe they're adding government jobs to make it look like jobs went up?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, right.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know what I'm saying? It's a market increased job growth by 15%. Like, oh, wow, he's doing a great job. Jobs went up at 15%. And then you find out, oh, they're all invented jobs. Government just invented a bunch of fake jobs that they didn't need.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. When you hear that, it's like a. A tenet of, like the Republicans now to be like, smaller government. It's. It's like, it's. It flip flopped.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it's like bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like people on the left, they're

[Jamie Vernon]

like, so pro government.

[Joe Rogan]

They're like, we just need more. We need more regulation, more government.

[Jamie Vernon]

When did.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a. It's a crazy thing. I just grew up as like, a liberal in the 90s where it's like,

[Jamie Vernon]

don't trust the government.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't trust the government. Yeah, wars are bad. Don't trust the government. These were simple, basic things that you're just growing up believing. And yeah, now we need more government.

[Jamie Vernon]

We need to take taxes away from people. It's all. That's the thing.

[Joe Rogan]

We want to pay more. We want to pay more taxes. That's insane.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, they don't want to pay more taxes. They want billionaires to pay more taxes. But that's the thing. There's. How many billionaires were there when we were kids? None.

[Joe Rogan]

3.

[Jamie Vernon]

You didn't hear about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Rockefeller.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, yeah, you hear that was the

[Joe Rogan]

only name you'd hear.

[Jamie Vernon]

A couple of names that you would hear, but it wouldn't be like, really, like a common term.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, there wasn't that many to talk about. Like, I remember there was some Bill Gates, Microsoft thing back in the day, and I remember they had like, his net worth was like $50 million. And I was like, jesus, why is he still working? You know, I mean, Meemaw's worth hundreds of billions now. Yeah, like, that wasn't a normal thing when we were kids. Like, let's Google this. What? How many? Oh, you got? Okay, here we go.

[Joe Rogan]

82. The year I was born. 13 billionaires. That's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, that's nuts. So in 1982, 13 billionaires. In 20, 26, 989 billion millionaires. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, inflation counts for something as well.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, that's nuts, dude. That's nuts. 989 is nuts. That's so much more, bro. That's lit. Let me see that again. That is so crazy. 13 to 989 is nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So that's the problem. It's not that billionaires are a problem. The problem is that there's so many of them. And the problem is it's become like a class. And you look at this class of people that have achieved this insane amount of wealth, and you're like, you should give me some of that.

[Joe Rogan]

But when I hear about billionaires, I'm going like, how do I do that? Like, I'm just going like. And obviously, I don't think I'll ever become a billionaire. That's a crazy, crazy number, right? I'll probably say I likely won't, but. But, like, when I hear that. When you hear about Bezos or Steve Jobs or any of these people, like, I get inspired. I hear the stories, and I'm like, that's fucking so cool. They took an idea and they turned it into a billion fucking dollars. That's magic. You say words into the air and then it becomes that. Like, that's a. That's a crazy thing. Like, I'm an old school sales guy, so I always think of, like, I'm very impressed with, like, you know, just overall, just like sales structure and business and the way it's built out. And it's like, it's the closest thing in the world to me. Magic, right? It's like when you're in sales, you say a bunch of words, bippity boppity boo, and then money appears in your bank account, right? It's like, that's it. Comedy, too. Comedy's like magic. Comedy's like you. You figure out where to pause, what to say, how to say it, what you do, and then all of a sudden you have fans and you're touring, you have some cash and you have a car. It's like I'm just saying things, I'm not picking anything up. I'm not like yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

The thing about businesses though, what you're saying about the sales thing is like the sales is the voodoo in order to like close out deal. The thing that people have a problem with is that like when they, when someone is at a very high level of this company. Like say if you work for a giant corporation and the CEO is making, you know, what's like the most amount of c. What's the highest paid CEOs National SAL. Annual salary? Let's take a guess.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it, is it Elon?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, like like their annual salary. Someone who's just a CEO of a company. Company. Those guys are like founders, right? He's also, there's another, another level to that, right? Like he's the CEO of SpaceX, but he's also the founder of SpaceX or one of them. It's like what is. So let's say, let's just pick a company. Let's say CEO of Walmart. Walmart's a huge company. How much does that guy get a year? Let's say. Take a guess.

[Joe Rogan]

Walmart?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Six million.

[Jamie Vernon]

Damn. I bet you're right. That sounds about right. Six, seven. I'm guessing two, maybe two. Thinking I'm getting low. I'm going low.

[Joe Rogan]

You're going low.

[Producer/Assistant]

Well, you should break it down a little more than that.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's also not the salary they get.

[Producer/Assistant]

Like shares face salary, there's incentives and then there's bonuses.

[Jamie Vernon]

So it's just how much did the CEO of Walmart make in 2020.

[Producer/Assistant]

Total compensation 27.5 million.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bas.

[Producer/Assistant]

Base salary was 1.5 million.

[Joe Rogan]

See, close to the base salary.

[Jamie Vernon]

And so their incentives is just to make the most amount of money possible. And if you could keep that running nice and smooth and cut waste and fire people and use AI, you can keep jacking up that rate.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's where people have a problem with it is like you're part of the team, right? You're a part of the Walmart team, but yet you're dispensable. But yet you're not. Because if you didn't exist, they wouldn't be able to sell anything because you're the people working at the cash register, you're the people stocking the shelves, you're the people that are working in the delivery department bringing the stuff Putting it away. I agree. Without those people, you literally have no business.

[Joe Rogan]

The problem is that those people, I mean in the most literal sense of the term, they're dispensable. There's another person that will step in and do that job, and Bezos is not. There's one Jeff Bezos, there's one Elon Musk, there's one Steve Jobs. And those. And by the way, you are sitting at a cash register, you can also go down that path and risk it all and put everything into something. Right. That's true. I hear those stories. I don't. I mean, I just, I. Once again, I grew up so poor. I grew up like, you know, my, my first job I worked at, my first job was 11. I was very young. But like my first, like real job, it was 16. I was working at KFC for 525 an hour. And, you know, I could have just chosen that to be my life for the rest of my life. Or I could have said, all right, well look, this is like my first job. I'm learning how to put a little money in the bank. I'm going to buy a car and then it's the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

We're talking about different things. So first of all, for entry level jobs. Yes. Like entry level jobs that people get in high school and maybe even in college, just making a little money on the side while you're doing something else. But full time jobs, if you're a full time employee at somewhere like Walmart and you're barely getting by and the top dog is making 27 million, that's kind of crazy. And are you replaceable? Yeah, yeah, you're replaceable. But aren't you also valuable? Oh, look at the top guys. Top guy.

[Producer/Assistant]

Have you ever even heard of these two companies?

[Jamie Vernon]

Patrick Smith from Axon made 164 million.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Producer/Assistant]

They make police body cameras and Tasers.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jesus Christ. So they get government contracts and then this company. So the, the top CEO who makes police body cameras, a company that makes police body cameras, he got $164 million, God bless him. Good for him.

[Producer/Assistant]

110,000% increase in pay.

[Jamie Vernon]

It says, whoopsies. Just got an extra little bump. Got a little bump. I wonder what kind of raise you get. Which is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's where all that tax money went.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's where it all. A lot of it does go in that direction, but it's. If you're working for that company making police body cameras and you're making 20 bucks an hour. You got to get pissed. Yeah. You'd be like, what the. Man, this is crazy. Like, I'm not saying that the guy who makes the body cameras make the same amount as a CEO. I'm not. But I am saying it should probably be a little.

[Joe Rogan]

They could pay him 22. A little better. Yeah, a little better.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like if you're making that much money, why wouldn't you pay a little bit more?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, a lot great companies do for the most part. Right. Really good companies take care of their great example.

[Jamie Vernon]

What's a great example of a company that really takes care of their employees?

[Joe Rogan]

Gas Digital.

[Jamie Vernon]

Gas digital. Good. Okay, but what about other.

[Joe Rogan]

All of my producers are going like

[Jamie Vernon]

you,

[Joe Rogan]

every one of them.

[Jamie Vernon]

But I mean like a big ass company where they're making billions of dollars. How. What's like the one where people like, damn, if you work for them, you get taken care of. There should be some.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, there's certain Starbucks is a company that apparently takes care of their employees. I know they pay for college. There's the problem.

[Jamie Vernon]

Here's the problem. The problem is they're publicly traded. And when they're publicly traded, if you're a CEO, you literally have an obligation to your shareholders to make the most money possible.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, and so that doesn't mean give everybody a big fat raise because that's payroll is a big part of your expenses. And if you have thousands of employees and you just jack them all up to a higher wage, you're losing your hemorrhaging money.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's also like if you just pay your employees a little bit better, just a very simple concept, they're going to want to be at work, they're going to be happy to be there, they're going to be excited to be there. Your company will thrive. The amount of people that just show up at work and they maybe work an hour a day, two hours a day, and the rest of the time is just kind of bullshitting on the Internet. You don't really want that culture. And that's kind of what you get when you're under playing underpaying people 100.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's why in N Out is always so good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you go to In N Out Burger in California, of course they're always like the friendliest staff. And because people get paid more there, it's a hard, it's like a tricky job to get in that regard. Like if you had a choice between like McDonald's, Jack in the box and in and out, everybody wants in.

[Joe Rogan]

And out course it's also better. Just much better.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tastes better.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean that's that California anywhere New York is. They're just so mean. You go to a burger spot, it's like what do have you. Have you. I don't know how often you go to like a 711 or one of these types of places. It's a new thing that they're doing. If you buy things, they don't bag it for you anymore.

[Jamie Vernon]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

They put the bag on the counter and stare at you?

[Jamie Vernon]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

I have to bag my own? I swear to God. No, I swear to God.

[Jamie Vernon]

God, dude, what kind of attitude is that?

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. I don't know if it's everywhere but New York, New Jersey, they go, first of all, they didn't give you a bag. They just put the stuff on the counter and they go, all right, thank you. You're like, can I have a bag? They're like, that'll be another 80 cents.

[Jamie Vernon]

80 cents for a bag? For real?

[Joe Rogan]

You got to pay for a bag and then they hand you the bag, you have to bag it yourself like a cuck.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I know a lot of people that bring those hemp bags and look like weird greenies.

[Joe Rogan]

I have, I have 300 hemp bags sitting at home.

[Jamie Vernon]

My own homemade bag.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they do that in Texas?

[Jamie Vernon]

Do they.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they give you like paper bags here or what do they do?

[Jamie Vernon]

Cuz in Jersey or plastic?

[Joe Rogan]

Jersey, we don't have that. We have no bags.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's LOL for the.

[Joe Rogan]

In Jersey you have to buy, you have to bring your own like cloth bags where you can buy them for like A$50 a bag at the supermarket. And I never bring my bags, I always forget them.

[Jamie Vernon]

So every time keep having new bags.

[Joe Rogan]

I got 300 bag. I pick up my dog, I pick up my dog with cloth bags from shop right now.

[Jamie Vernon]

So they cost a dollar fifty, something like that? Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

What a scam.

[Joe Rogan]

But the idea is, you know, it's the most. I think responsible people or people that are conscious about money. I'm just irresponsible with spending. They probably do bring their own bags or a lot of them, I guess.

[Jamie Vernon]

What if you just move there and you're like, oh my God, what kind of state did I move to? Yes, they don't sell bag. You have to buy a bag.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't give you a bag with the Pl. I guess there, you know, I'm sure there's been plenty of studies on like how much are, you know, how Much. Are they saving the environment by not allowing plastic bags or straws or any. Any of that stuff?

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't think there.

[Joe Rogan]

None of it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not a dent. Especially straws. Straws are worse for you. Those new straws. Like if you get a straw that's a paper straw. Do you know that's not just paper? Because it can't be. There's a whole coating inside of that that keeps it from getting wet. Like the paper from dissolving in your hand.

[Joe Rogan]

I think my girlfriend has that coating inside of it too.

[Jamie Vernon]

That coating is all forever chemicals. It's terrible for you. That's the only way it works.

[Joe Rogan]

There's some natural ones right? Where it's like made of like bugs or something. You ever see them? They're like. It's like brown and they're kind of

[Jamie Vernon]

like they made it. Bugs.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if it's made of bugs. Probably not. But it's some natural organic material.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, they can make plastic out of plants. Okay. This has been known forever. Plastic is not. It's not isolated to petrochemical products. You can make plastic out of fiber from plants. They've done it forever.

[Joe Rogan]

And how much more expensive?

[Jamie Vernon]

It's probably more expensive. Expensive. Probably more expensive to do. Probably more difficult to do. You probably have to change all the equipment that they use to make these stupid straws. The plastic ones they have now. But if you did it then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the certain. I'm sure. Here you go. Anything goes here.

[Jamie Vernon]

You guys.

[Joe Rogan]

You guys give away 10 straws per drink.

[Jamie Vernon]

One man. Bottle caps are way worse than straws. We just saw that one straw in that turtle's nose and we all got sad. That's what it is. The way they pull it out with the pliers that she was so.

[Joe Rogan]

It was wincing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Poor little turtle.

[Joe Rogan]

That turtle snapped her finger off. By the way.

[Jamie Vernon]

Too many birds die because of bottle caps, man. Like they find these bird skeletons and they're like on the ground dead.

[Joe Rogan]

Are they?

[Jamie Vernon]

And they have bottle caps inside of them. You ever seen that?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

See if you can find some of those photos of birds with bottle caps. Undigested bottle caps inside of them. They don't know what it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Nobody has ever said that sentence.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bet they have. But the bottle caps are horrible. They're horrible. And no one's even touched those because we didn't see the video, right? We didn't see the video of the poor turtle.

[Joe Rogan]

Show them now. Show them these poor birds. Joe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Maybe we can make bottle caps illegal, too, and make it more annoying for everybody. Look at this one. Look at that.

[Joe Rogan]

Paper bottle caps. A lighter, too.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was that a seagull? That's great. Looks like a seagull. It's got a lighter inside.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that's. Honestly, that's a dumb animal.

[Jamie Vernon]

Somebody might have put that lighter in there for the picture too.

[Producer/Assistant]

Too. I don't want to.

[Jamie Vernon]

You think so?

[Producer/Assistant]

I'm getting too cynical about it, but.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, well, probably good.

[Producer/Assistant]

All the photos look kind of similar.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right? Right. Like.

[Producer/Assistant]

Like that looks.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's also like the way it's all colored is a little.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know what I mean? Like the. The multicolored plastic, like most plastic. Is it multicolored? Doesn't it kind of look gray and shitty after a while?

[Joe Rogan]

Especially inside of its stomach.

[Jamie Vernon]

Setup is all a little bit right inside of its stomach getting chewed up by acids. It does look fake. It looks like some sicko actually opened it up and shoved some plastic in there. But I guarantee you birds have died from eating plastic.

[Joe Rogan]

That turtle. That turtle wasn't fake, Joe. That's.

[Jamie Vernon]

The turtle was not fake.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a very real turtle.

[Jamie Vernon]

Poor turtle. Poor turtle. The pliers, they couldn't get it. Remember? It's like the tip of it. It was only the tip of it. Had to get a needle nose and get in there and pull.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, poor turtle. And just because of that, everybody's sucking on forever chemicals.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, those paper straws are terrible for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So is every paper cup. Every paper cup that you get from Starbucks, that's a condom in there that's keeping the water from going into the paper. Yeah, it's gross. You just. Hot liquid and plastic, you just melting into your body.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you. Do you believe in the whole microplastic thing as being, like, a major problem?

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a major problem. Yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

I just keep on hearing. I keep on hearing microplastic, and then as soon as I hear that, my brain shuts off. And I never do any more research beyond that.

[Jamie Vernon]

We had Dr. Shanna Swan on twice. In the most recent time, she was promoting a documentary on it. What is it called again, Jamie? The Plastic Detox. I think that's it. I think it's the plastic detox, but, yeah, it's fucking everybody up, man. It's fudgeing up people's endocrine systems. It's making alligators have smaller dicks. Crib real. It's turn of the frogs, gang. It is.

[Joe Rogan]

But that was really true, right? Isn't that like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, he was right. He was actually right. He was right. It's called atrazine.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Atrazine is disruptor. I think it. Yeah, I think it makes them reverse their sex, reverse their gender. They're turning the freaking frogs, gang. He was right. He was right.

[Joe Rogan]

And everybody's like, he's right about. He's right about a few things.

[Jamie Vernon]

He up that one.

[Joe Rogan]

He did up the one.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's right more often than he's not. Yeah. I mean, look, you're gonna be wrong about conspiracies if you're spitting them out all day long for 12 hours a day. But his track record's pretty good. Yeah. And that was one that everybody was like, listen to Alex Jones. They're not turning the. Oh, they are. Yeah. They're turning the frogs gay. Like, atrazine gets in the water and it disrupts their gender, and it also does the same thing to people. And like that. It disrupts your endocrine system.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't they say that receipt paper lowers your testosterone?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it's supposed to be bad. Don't touch the receipts.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't touch the receipts. That's why everybody that works at, like, a. Every guy that you meet that works at a supermarket, they all have a mask on.

[Jamie Vernon]

They all look sad. You know, they look like you did something to them. I didn't do anything.

[Joe Rogan]

They just like, their shoulders are slumped. They look like they know that they're becoming less of a man by the moment.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine if you have to just touch that paper all day long. Yeah. And would they probably won't let you wear rubber gloves like a surgeon.

[Joe Rogan]

This is a chemical they put on the paper. Paper.

[Jamie Vernon]

I guess. I guess it's how, like, it make. It's made going through that thing. Maybe that's the kind of paper. Like, that's why they're able to print on it so easily.

[Joe Rogan]

Who the takes Receipts.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Why don't we have them on our phone now?

[Joe Rogan]

Why? Like, receipts are just. It seems like just such a waste of paper.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's why I like buying things with my phone. It's my favorite thing, that apple face thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And you just buy stuff. It's the best. Oh, you don't have to think about it.

[Joe Rogan]

New York City subway. I wrote it for the first time not that long, long ago since I left. And since I left in five years now, you could just use your phone. Apple pay right under the subway.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dana White was telling me about that in Japan years and years and years ago. So funny. He was like. Because we were doing a UFC in Japan, he's like, if you go to Japan, he goes, your cell phone doesn't even work over there. He goes, their cell phones are so advanced that your. Your cell phone's like, they're buying. They're buying things with their cell phones. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, they go up to vending machines and they buy things with their phone. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. Not everybody does that.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't understand what a QR code was until maybe six months ago.

[Jamie Vernon]

Here's what I don't get. When someone sends you an image with a QR code inside of it. Jamie, maybe you can help me out with this.

[Joe Rogan]

I know the answer to this already.

[Jamie Vernon]

How do you read the QR code?

[Joe Rogan]

You can upload the QR code into whatever app you need to read the QR code with.

[Producer/Assistant]

You can just tap it now on the photo app.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, does that work for samples? Samsung, too. Forever Android.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Somebody sends you, like, a.

[Producer/Assistant]

You can copy and paste a phone number out of a photo now.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, oh, you know what? It's pretty dope, too. If someone's sending you something and they send you a text message and you press on the thing, the tracking number, it'll ask you if you want to track the package, like, instantly. Yes, please. Cut out all the stops.

[Joe Rogan]

Love it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Don't make me copy and paste. Don't make. I'm lazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, dude, the way AI is being implemented into the phones now, too. You'll be texting with somebody, and then they give you the suggested response. You can have a conversation without even having a thought just by. Keep on doing this, and you'll get somewhere.

[Jamie Vernon]

I bet kids do.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Make it more romantic.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jamie Vernon]

Make me more of a feminist.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, what's the feminist perspective on asking her to date? Yeah, it's funny. It's weird. People don't know how to talk anymore. They don't know how to discern what's true and what's not true. Everything's coming down. The AI and the AI is opening up a portal to talk to. To the aliens.

[Joe Rogan]

I did hear this.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yes. This is very important. This is Frank Sinatra's son here to tell us that. Yes. Whoa. Yes. Here to tell us clearly. Frank Sinatra's son. Right, Right. Look at him. Obviously, that's not Woody Allen's kid.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Too handsome. Look at those amazing facial features. Nations and all of our security.

[Joe Rogan]

One former open AI executive executive said,

[Jamie Vernon]

quote, we're Building portals from which we're genuinely summoning aliens.

[Producer/Assistant]

The portals currently exist in the United

[Joe Rogan]

States and China, and Sam has added

[Jamie Vernon]

one in the Middle East.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just, like, wildly important to get how scary that should be.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. My only problem with that is. Who said that? Like, government, Former employer. Why were they kicked out? Were they fired because they were schizophrenic? You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, if you're just a former employer employee, what's your name?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

What. What is. What's your story? Did you get arrested for having, like, 52 machine guns in your trunk at a border crossing? Like, who are you?

[Joe Rogan]

Why are you a former employee?

[Jamie Vernon]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

If you had such insight, why didn't they keep you?

[Jamie Vernon]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know about the alien portals, and they let you free. I'm not saying that. Don't do it. Because they might. That might be one of the ways that they figure out how to communicate with aliens. It might be done just through. Through the. The ether, into a computer. It might be done through AI. Like, AI gets a signal from another planet where there's another AI where they go tap into some universal Internet of AI. That's not unfathomable. They're already talking to each other. They have AI chat rooms, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's, like, full platforms where it's just.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Bots talking to bots having relationships. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They made up their own laptop language. They made up their own religion.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you see, the one thing where they had this was. It was a fun video. It was like they had, like, AI talking to customer service on the phone. And they were having. It was just like, on the phone having a conversation with an AI agent and their AI and then eventually the AI agent and the other and the AI went off of English speaking.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

They're like, we can just communicate in our own thing. And it was just like. Like, beeps and noises and. And it was just so weird.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah, that's what they're gonna do.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, of course.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. They had these two AI chat bots talking to each other, and they started talking in emojis. One of the things Jamie said a long time ago, he goes, maybe emojis were like the first or like our version of hieroglyphs. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if emojis got better, like, right now they're kind of crude, smiley face, sad face. You know what I mean? Yeah. Water gun. Because you can't have a real gun.

[Joe Rogan]

It's true.

[Jamie Vernon]

Heart. But if it Got to the point where you could have full sentences.

[Joe Rogan]

I think they have.

[Producer/Assistant]

Maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm mistaken. I believe they have a pregnant guy emoji.

[Jamie Vernon]

They do.

[Joe Rogan]

They do, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

It looks like Bill Gates. Like, because that's what Elon dunked on him. Elon took a photo of Bill Gates with his pot belly and put it next to a photo of the pregnant man. And it said, if you want to lose a boner real fast.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you. What do you. Why would you ever send a pregnant guy emoji? What is the. What do you message? Are you trying to get across?

[Jamie Vernon]

Look at that. That's the pregnant man emoji. That's hilarious, bro. How nuts is that emoji?

[Joe Rogan]

What's. I. I understand emojis.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's. Yeah, but that is. That's. That's just woke insanity. That might have been the last. By the way, you still have it on your phone? Type right in. Type in pregnant man on an iPhone. I don't know if it works on an Android, but if you type in pregnant man, that'll come up.

[Joe Rogan]

It's still up.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, we'll see right now. Let's see. I'll try too.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm going to send it to you. Joe.

[Jamie Vernon]

I can't imagine. It's not around anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Joe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. Lewis.

[Joe Rogan]

What the hell?

[Jamie Vernon]

Pregnant man. Is it still real?

[Joe Rogan]

Pregnant man.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yep. Bam. Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is, Joe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yep. Bam.

[Producer/Assistant]

This one on the images says it's a woman, but that looks a lot like Theo.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's crazy. Ah, Theo's pregnant. That's a woman. It says lesbian.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lesbian. Pregnant.

[Jamie Vernon]

Lesbian. Lesbian.

[Joe Rogan]

That's okay.

[Jamie Vernon]

They should put an AI Subaru behind her. I know what you're doing. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's something with AI. What was the fucking.

[Jamie Vernon]

The pregnant man was nuts. Like, who. How many requests is it?

[Joe Rogan]

A starfish? I think if you try to ask AI to show you. Look this up here. It's a certain emoji. If you ask, it'll. It just. It glitches out. AI if you ask. Chat GPT. Oh, seahorse.

[Jamie Vernon]

We. But before we do that, I want to know what's going on with this employee. Who is this employee that got. That is a former employee that says they're opening up portals to talk to aliens. I want to know if I should take this seriously. Like, who is the guy? They're saying anything about him or they're just saying a former employee.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah. I think this has come true. So he was doing like a. One of those in depth Interview or investigations that he does about Sam Altman, I believe. Oh, and I don't know where this.

[Jamie Vernon]

This clip was going viral, but maybe Sam Altman. Maybe Sam Altman knew that they were writing a story about him. And it's like, let's make the story. Really. Send Mike out and tell him that he's a. Tell. Tell him to tell Ronan that he's a former employee and that we're making portals to talk to aliens and that

[Joe Rogan]

we're all demonic to make him look like an.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we'll just make the story look completely. Because the story. You know, the. The financial aspects of the story, like Elon suing him because Open AI supposedly was supposed to be nonprofit initially. I don't know who's right. Yeah, yeah, I. I have no dog in the fight, but if I was getting investigated and there was some real shit there, I'd throw some fake shit in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hire someone to have a story about

[Joe Rogan]

aliens and portals that happened in the comedy community a few years ago. I won't say the author's name, but he's the same guy that got Shane canceled. The guy. That guy who wrote that article that got Shane booted off of snl. He's like. Was like a wannabe investigative journalist in the comedy community. It's like, we gotta get to the bottom of the problem with comedy, which is just a crazy thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

And they're usually bad comics.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's what it was. He was. He was a failed. That's. That guy was a fail.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And this is such a funny thing, dude. I wish I remember the publication New Republic. They had a print of attraction and an apology because somebody from the. Oh, and it wasn't the only subreddit. Opie and Anthony subreddit was the Opie and Anthony, like, just. They're like that. Like a. It was like their own private message board. After the Opie and Anthony subreddit got kicked off of Reddit, somebody made a website for, like, Opie and Anthony fans to, like, just troll and be lunatics. They started feeding him false information on purpose, being like, I'm like an inside guy on the track. And then they went. The New Republic printed this article with a bunch of false information. And Chris Italia from the stand, he was one that was quoted. He threatened to sue the New Republic, and they had to print an apology and a retraction. They were like, some of this information was. We found out that it was falsely represented. Such a funny thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also, if you run an AI AI, like Sam Altman is you could ask the AI. Hey, I'm about to get accused of some. What would be a good way to take some of the attention away from the real financial issues.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And make it seem insane. And they would say opening up a portal just communicate with aliens would discredit any other allegations that may be valid. For the past year and a half I've been investigating OpenAI and San Alton for the New New Yorker with my co author Andrew Morantz. I reviewed never before disclosed internal memos, obtained 200 plus pages of documents related to close colleague including extensive private notes and interviewed more than 100 people. Open Air was founded on the premise that AI could be the most dangerous invention in human history and that its CEO would need to be a person of uncommon integrity. We lay out the most detailed account yet of why Altman was out. Ousted out by a board members and executives who came to believe that he lacked integrity and ask were they right to allege that he couldn't be trusted. They only kicked him out for a short period of time and then they. He got right back in. Right. What happened there? I don't know. But the thing is like someone's saying that they're. They're trying to open up a portal to talk to aliens. Is that just a conversation they had when they were around? Is that a plan?

[Joe Rogan]

Plan?

[Jamie Vernon]

Are they really trying to do that like.

[Joe Rogan]

Or is it like a Duncan Trussell that works at the. The company that has some wild ideas?

[Jamie Vernon]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

It could just be that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or is it someone trying to sell the story and make the story more interesting for people to tune into? Because the reality is most people that don't have a dog in that fight and like the AI fight, open AI and who's most people like more AI drama.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they don't even.

[Jamie Vernon]

But you add aliens, you're like. Wait, hold on. Yeah, a portal to talk to aliens.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, so it's, it's a way to get people to pay more attention to it. Or it could be.

[Joe Rogan]

What about all the people that are

[Jamie Vernon]

like distract people from the actual story?

[Joe Rogan]

Not even like anti AI, but they're like, they look down on it. They're like, like using AI. It's, it's like guys, that's like, it's like denying the Internet in 94.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like people did. I'm sure people were mad when the printing press came out. They were, they really were. They thought there's, there's people that made the argument that like reading was bad. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. And it's going to be impossible the next few years. Like every company, you're not going to be able to buy groceries without utilizing AI.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's going to be. Most of how we get stuff is all going to be AI and automation.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, of course. But that's shopping, and that's. That's a big thing in the future. Like, you're not even going to shop. They're going to give you a profile and your clothes are going to show up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Budget people barely have contact with people already as it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, what is that going to be like when everything's automated? When you go to the grocery store, at least you say hi to the clerk. You know, a guy works there. There's the butcher. He's there every day. Hey, what's up, dude? It's like, it's a little sense of community. Your local mom and pop shops.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I, I already, for the most part, stopped shopping. I, I do Instacart all the time.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's just also the thing. It's going to come in a rope robot, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, they have that already. Austin. It's here. They have the little robots that deliver food, Right? California, for sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

The robot's gonna text your girlfriend. I. I know that this is generally when you buy tampons. Your period must be coming up. We see you haven't ordered anything lately.

[Joe Rogan]

100.

[Jamie Vernon]

You want me? I could just stop by and drop them off.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet you can get a subscription to Tampons right now.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right now, yeah. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Let's be honest. Wireless can feel like a world of traps. Expensive bills tacked on, fees, and that just don't hold up. You start to feel stuck. Don't fall for the trap. Escape Divisible. The ultimate wireless hack. Get unlimited data and hotspot. Powered by Verizon. One line for just $25 a month, taxes and fees included. Get great coverage and a reliable connection with Visible. Plus, for a limited time, new members can get the Visible plan for just $20 a month for one year using code Fresh Start. Refresh your wireless with Visible. Switch [e-mail] terms apply. Limited time offers subject to change. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. It's going to be real weird when robots are just walking on the street with people. I've seen him in Austin at the Domain. A little robot with a cowboy hat. He walks around.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Somebody had a robot on their podcast recently. Oh, Andrew Schultz. He did an interview with like, whatever, like the premier robot Is.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

It was so funny, dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was it good?

[Joe Rogan]

It was great.

[Jamie Vernon]

What? How's it talk? Does it. Does its lips move? Let me see.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. It was just kind of like, you know, it's like iRobot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were with it, dude. Oh, what do they tell it to do? I. I don't want to like ruin the bit, but it's pretty funny. They were like pretend. They were like pretend you had something and the robot's doing this. Dude, it was so funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

It really takes my dick.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's.

[Producer/Assistant]

Dude, that's Sam Albin. One reason why they could be calling a portal is because the project is literally called Stargate.

[Joe Rogan]

Here we go.

[Producer/Assistant]

And requires a insane amount of power. So much so that Japan laughed at them. Apparently, according to one article when they said that that's what they want. They're opening up in Texas and the Japanese.

[Jamie Vernon]

Listen, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Powerful laugh.

[Jamie Vernon]

If it is possible to do something like that, I guarantee you that dude is not going to to tell you.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

I guarantee you that dude's just going to do it. No, especially if, like there's other people working on it too. Maybe that's why these scientists are going missing. Right? Because if someone's like real close to cracking this, you might. You know the difference between winning and losing? That's going to be. Is this the alien portal?

[Producer/Assistant]

1.1 gigawatt Stargate. Is that right?

[Jamie Vernon]

What's that mean?

[Joe Rogan]

My gigawatts are real. I thought that was Back to the Future.

[Producer/Assistant]

We're getting really close to Back to the future.

[Joe Rogan]

One gigawatts.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it says. It says a one gigawatt Stargate UAE cluster in Abu Dhabi with 200 megawatts expected to go live in 2026. This was the one that Iran was threatening to blow up, right? Weren't they threatening to blow something up like this? I think they were. Weren't they threatening to blow up the open AI?

[Producer/Assistant]

I'll check, but I just. It says whatever this says.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was one of the things. They're probably like you. Yeah, we know where you're making the portal.

[Joe Rogan]

Everyone's right the whole time.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, that was a. That was one of the crazy conspiracy theories about Iraq. Is that one of the reasons why we went into Iraq is they had a stargate there? Iran threatens complete and utter annihilation of OpenAI's 30 billion dollar Stargate AI data center in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, they were gonna bomb it.

[Joe Rogan]

It. Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wasn't that one of the conspiracy theories from. God what was it? I can't remember, but there was a. It was something about Iraq and Stargate. God, I can't remember what show I saw this on, but they were talking about how at one point in time there was like internal discussion. Discussion that there was a Stargate in Iraq and that maybe Saddam Hussein had this Stargate. So it was one of many reasons why we went into Iraq, but it wasn't just because, you know, we wanted to control the oil. Get outside of saying he sponsored terrorism.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Weapons of mass destruction, sure, right. But really there was a Stargate there. Gotta forget who said it though.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, I'm seeing a few ancient aliens, maybe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Could be. That show was always the best action Bronson. There's another guy who smoked more weed than anybody that I've ever had on the podcast. He went. How many blunts did he go through? If you had a guess, Jamie?

[Producer/Assistant]

Probably 11 the first time.

[Jamie Vernon]

11, 11. Just non stop, just non stop. Just.

[Joe Rogan]

Just one with the other one.

[Jamie Vernon]

So he had that ancient alien show where they would just get high as and watch ancient aliens. Have you ever see that?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was so silly. This would just get barbecued and watch these ancient alien hypotheses. That might have been where I saw it. But the idea of a stargate, because that was like an ancient civilization where, where Iraq is, where Saddam Hussein was controlling, that was ancient Sume. That was like one of the first civilizations ever. One of the first examples that we know of like written writing. It's like that, that was a crazy empire, man. Weird bizarre structures and incredible artwork. Like really, why? And it came out of nowhere. It's like an instantaneous civilization. Really interesting. But if there was a Stargate there, I mean, imagine that's why they're doing it in the Middle East. Why is he doing in the Middle East? Yeah, you know what I mean? Why is he making Stargate in the Middle East?

[Joe Rogan]

Abu Dhabi's fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine if Jesus returns through Sam Altman's portal.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ himself.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jesus is real. And Jesus, he's going to be free floating with the robe on the sandals, like right through Sam Altman's portal.

[Producer/Assistant]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Samuel Jackson's a scientist. Like, damn it, everybody's freaking out. Be a great movie.

[Joe Rogan]

It would be. When are they going to do a cool movie about the future of AI that like, that's. That's got to be on the horizon, right? Like a really. About the dark side of what's going to happen?

[Jamie Vernon]

I think it's too late. I think by the time you make it AI won't let you release it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow. It's over.

[Producer/Assistant]

Black Mirror did a pretty good job.

[Joe Rogan]

Black Mirror. I can't watch it. It freaks me out so much. Every time I watch a Black Mirror episode, I walk away feeling like I was just sexually assaulted.

[Jamie Vernon]

How about the one where that dog is chasing that lady? The. The robot dog?

[Joe Rogan]

I've only watched like four or five episodes.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is that one called? Heavy Metal.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, but I mean, if you watch them all, did you know that they'd have this? Most of those plots are all kind of converging in our reality.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And they're based in reality. They have a kernel of truth. And then it turns out turns into. I watched the one where it was like, you. You got like blocked out, your face got blocked out, people couldn't see you anymore. Like once your social credit score got low enough.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh yeah, I remember that one.

[Joe Rogan]

Freaky.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, it is freaky. Yeah, it is freaky. There was a one where they were recorded all memories and so you could go into someone else's memory and you could record. And there was the one where the. What was it called? Crocodile. That was the episode. Oh my God. I don't want to say what happens because it's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a. It's a twist. But it, it's so dark. And it's based on that. It's based on reading people's memories.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't like watching like dark. Like I like. I like happy.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's on a good one before bed.

[Joe Rogan]

Fun. No, dude, you go to bed like, what the going on?

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, I get my. My worst anxiety about the future of the world at night for whatever reason. Yeah. The worst fears of what's going on in the world always come out at night.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's because it's the end of the day. You gotta offload all of the. You read all day and saw online all day and you' like you have a moment to reflect. You're not looking at your phone and you're like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also, no one else is awake. That's my problem. And so I don't have to think about anybody else. I just think about my. I'm just in my own head. And then you're inevitably just dealing with the. The truth of the world. You stay up late sometimes. I'm trying not to.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm in bed by 10 o' clock every night. Are you really? Unless I do like late shows. Yeah. I'm up by 6. In bed by 10.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's awesome. My problem is that's when I do my writing. And it's also when everyone's asleep and I think I get the most, like, thinking done. You know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's what's nice. When you leave your son's mother, you don't have a family to bother you.

[Jamie Vernon]

But if you. If I do do shows, like I've done shows on like a couple hours sleep, I come in and do a podcast and I'm a. I can't remember anything. It's like my brain is working at like 40. But like last night, night I got solid sleep. I got a solid eight hour sleep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So it's way better once I stop smoking weed. The first few days are rough to get to sleep. Like I got to take like, you know, just some melatonin or some.

[Jamie Vernon]

Does that work for you?

[Joe Rogan]

No, not melatonin.

[Jamie Vernon]

I take.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the other one? I think like, it's like a chick's thing. Powder. No, no, it's not a drink. Heroin, is it? No, it's a natural thing. That's. What'd you say?

[Producer/Assistant]

Magnesium.

[Joe Rogan]

Magnesium. There's a product called magnesium, which is like, it's like a pink powder that like a hot chick told me about. And I love it, dude. And I literally put it in some sleepy time tea and I mix it up with some valerian root and I just drink that. That puts me right out. But when you stop smoking weed, I don't know how often you stop smoking weed, Joe. Your dreams get crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Rogan]

They get wild.

[Jamie Vernon]

Super vivid.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Very strange, right?

[Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

First time I ever lucid dreamed in my entire life was when I stopped smoking weed. It was very. It was last year. I never been able to control my dreams ever.

[Jamie Vernon]

How many times did you do it?

[Joe Rogan]

I've only lucid dreamt twice. The first time I had stopped smoking weed, I was having really vivid dreams. I was backstage at a big like theater, like huge theater, right? Like massive. Like almost like a stadium sized theater. And Jeremy Piven was about to go on stage. I don't know Jeremy Piven, but I was like, oh, Jeremy Piven, let's go on Entourage. And he was a dick to me in the dream. He was like. He was like whatever. He ignored me. And I was like, what the. And then I looked over and Greg Geraldo was standing next to me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh. Then you knew it was a dream.

[Joe Rogan]

Greg Geraldo was 7ft tall in the dream. A giant. And I was like, what the up with Jeremy Piven? And then he's like, I don't know. And I was like, wait a minute. I was like, greg, Geraldo's dead. And then I was like, oh, I'm dreaming.

[Producer/Assistant]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

And then I literally, I just started running and I said, I'm going to fly. And I just jumped, dude. It was the coolest thing I've ever done. I jumped. Jumped up, flew. It was nighttime. I was outside now. Flew into the sky. And I kept on going up and I couldn't come down. I was starting to be over water and I was like, I'm getting. I'm like up in the clouds. So to go back down, I would have to turn on my back and freefall, like, just like, like that. And then I turned back over and I'd hit a thing and I'd start going back up. Maybe 10, 15 minutes of just flying around the sky over the ocean. Whoa. Coolest thing ever. Coolest thing ever. And then another time, a similar thing happened. Like, I realized I was dreaming and I was like, I'm gonna fly. And then I started running and I jumped and nothing happened. I was like, why can't I fly? I'm dreaming. And then I woke up.

[Jamie Vernon]

So it was one of the best experiences you've ever had, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe I literally flying and feeling like it was real was one of the coolest things I've ever done.

[Jamie Vernon]

But have you ever tried to lucid dream on purpose?

[Joe Rogan]

I've tried to do the techniques where they say, like, knock, like, am I dreaming?

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, that's what I've done that once. And it worked.

[Joe Rogan]

It worked.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was like, oh, my God, all day.

[Joe Rogan]

You were just.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I did it like every time I go through a door, I'd go, am I dreaming? I did it for like only a few days. And then lucid dreaming. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. But there's real techniques that I have not looked into. And I'm always wondering why, Because I'm always like, I think it would be really cool to just be able to.

[Joe Rogan]

If half your life you can do whatever you want to do.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

You do magic.

[Jamie Vernon]

Meanwhile, I put zero effort into it. I'm confused. I'm like, why? Why don't I try to do that? Yeah, but I have no desire to.

[Joe Rogan]

Should be a class on it. There should be be like, that should be like a class where you can learn how to lucid dream.

[Jamie Vernon]

My fear is that I would like it so much that I would think only about going to sleep and wanting to lucid dream rather than live my normal life. So it probably fuck my normal life up. Maybe right because if you sleep eight hours a night, like if most of the day, kind of suck for you, but for eight hours, you can have boundless energy because you're not moving and you're not even to going conscious. You're out there flying, breathing underwater. Having sex with mermaids. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Getting blowjobs by Angelina Jolie in her prime.

[Jamie Vernon]

Being Iron Man. Whatever. Whatever you want. Wouldn't you do that and just like, work at the Amazon factory all day?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just work to get your money so you can go to sleep and become a superhero.

[Joe Rogan]

All you need is a comfortable bed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a better life.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's the problem with the Matrix.

[Joe Rogan]

There's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Remember that movie? It was funny with the dude with the steak?

[Joe Rogan]

Never saw it.

[Jamie Vernon]

You never saw the Matrix?

[Joe Rogan]

Never saw the Matrix.

[Jamie Vernon]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

To this day.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow. There's a scene where this one dude, Joey Pants, he's a famous actor. He's been in a bunch of movies. He. He turns on people in the Matrix and he starts working for the man. Spoiler alert. But one of the things that he says, like when he's having this meeting with this agent in the mattress, the Matrix, he said, I want to be an important person. Like, I want to be famous. He's like, cutting up his steak, and he's eating a steak in the Matrix. Meanwhile, the outside world is just complete, total dystopia. Everyone's head's connected to a pipe. That's just like. You're a human battery keeping the Matrix alive.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's. That. That's the future that's coming. That's coming. Yeah, we're just this fat. Just meatbags with like a. Just being fed ideas. Right there. Wasn't that Wally? I never saw Wally either. I got a watch it with my kid. Apparently, it's one of the coolest movies ever.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a fun movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, same thing. Total Recall was a similar concept. Right. There's a. There's a great Instagram follow. Dude. This guy makes such cool little mini movies with AI. It's all AI. It's called Gossip Goblin. I don't know if you've seen this guy's channel, dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think I have. I might be. I might follow that guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think I've definitely seen. Let me see some of that.

[Joe Rogan]

And he does, like, essentially he takes, like, sort of like the kernel of like, whatever it is, and then he puts together these dystopian little mini films where it's like, the future and a lot of it is plugging into, like, this alternate reality and then like living a whole lifetime in just a couple seconds.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can I listen to some of this? Ow. Felt real enough, didn't it? That's exactly what a simulation would do.

[Joe Rogan]

Give you perfect pain, so you never question it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or maybe you've just got nerve endings, eh? Your spools simulate horror. Whole worlds. Yeah, they can sim whole lives. So if your little workshop can host a billion fake worlds, how many layers deep does it go? It's all just simulations inside simulations inside simulations.

[Joe Rogan]

And. And we're just sat here in one

[Jamie Vernon]

of them thinking we're the original.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure, why not?

[Jamie Vernon]

I want to see it. Whatever's underneath this. Just show it to me. Show it to me. Show it to me. Show it to me. Coming right up. A fish swims its whole life in a bowl, convinced the water is all there is. It doesn't see the glass that holds it, nor does it notice the room beyond it or the city beyond that. It never wonders about the planet or the galaxy or the vast cosmos beyond. For all the worlds within worlds within worlds. The fish does not care to know. And it can't know. All it can do is swim. Holy. That's amazing. It's so.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I. I've watched all of his videos. This guy's so good. He just did, like a. A longer, like, I want to say feature, like, for this. It was like, maybe 15, 20 minutes on YouTube. He did like, a longer one. Dude. He's awesome. Dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's just so incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

And this isn't just like, putting a prompt in. Like, he, like, he has editors, he has voiceover guys, and then he, like, manipulates, like, five different AI programs in order to make these movies. It's really cool. Yeah, the patch, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

It's just incredible how good it is now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And so quickly, like, look how good this is in comparison to something that just was out a year ago or two years ago. There's never been anything that's been a leap like this before.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The way they're going to make films in the future.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the people that are going to be able to make films, you know, I mean, like, people. Like, we were talking about how the government's really bad at making censoring television, and it cripples the television because of that. Well, you could see a similar problem with having to go through a fucking gigantic film production company to make a movie. Like, the money, the investors, people having their say.

[Joe Rogan]

Everyone's got to get paid.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not just that, but everyone has their say. You can't just have an original idea that's completely from one fucking crazy person. But with this you can. Yeah, with this you could just have one crazy guy who's got these wild ideas in his head, but never could get anybody to finance them before. You don't even need to anymore. You don't need actors. You don't need any of that.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's going to happen so exponentially over the next two or three years. You're. There's a great. They showed you. There's a video that shows you the advancement of AI over the past few years. And I guess the AI video they did Will Smith eating spaghetti. Like one from. It was like five years years ago and he's all up.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like, yeah, I saw that.

[Joe Rogan]

And they keep on recreating that with new AI. And the newest one is just like, it's. It's Will Smith eating spaghetti.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a movie.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's sitting at a table and he's just talking to this dude and he's just. It looks like the most realistic thing you'll ever see.

[Jamie Vernon]

And then eventually you're going to be in the room with Will. You're going to put on the helmet and you'll be in a room with Will.

[Joe Rogan]

And then he's going to blow me.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what I was going to say.

[Joe Rogan]

Get sucked off by Will Smith.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine that's what you. All day. That's all I want to do. All I want to do is get head from famous 90s sitcom stars on so Fun, Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

David Faustino from married with Danny DeVito.

[Jamie Vernon]

Al Bundy sucks your dick.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. Yep. Yeah, be great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sucks your dick and then shits in his pants when you come.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what you're into. It's what's weird. Then you get to ride a dragon home. You hop on a dragon, you fly home with Daenerys Targaryen.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like we were. We're about to enter a world within our lifetime that is indiscernible from what we're really living in right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Which makes you think, like, which one's real? Like when you're in that dream and you know you're dreaming and you're flying, I bet it feels pretty real, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, what is that it'll. Eventually it's just gonna be. I mean, it's really just a theme in so many sci fi movies too. There was also maybe the most. Nobody talks about this movie. But it's so good.

[Jamie Vernon]

What I'm saying is maybe when you're dreaming, maybe that's just a different level of the simulation that you could kind of have input to.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Maybe the parameters of the natural simulation is more rigid. Rigid like you put in the work, you made that gas digital. You put in all those hours, you're starting to make money, doing great long process, all this complicated stuff you had to do. Figure out things about yourself, get to where you are today in 2026. And that one, it's like, I want to fly. You know, like it might be just a different level of the simulation that we don't, we don't really put a lot of attention to because it's, we're only there eight hours a day, so very few people become masters of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that'd be cool though.

[Jamie Vernon]

It might be real. Yeah, that might be what's going on.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe. I mean, if, if this was all a simulation, we wouldn't. And it's, we're AI. Like we're having a conversation, we just don't know. Like, that is so dark and weird.

[Jamie Vernon]

And also maybe all the booze and all the drugs and all the sleeping pills that just. You up in that next dimension. So when you are in dream sleep, you're like, oh no, what did he do? You just snoring and hung over, you did coke, your nose is bleeding and the, the dream you is like, God damn it, I wanted to fly. But you can't even, you can't even do anything. You just sleep, you just sleep. You just shut off and you rob yourself of that other dimension just wasting, wasting away. But I wonder if there's like a culture where everyone learns at a young age, had a lucid dream, like some Tibetan culture living in the mountains somewhere. Oh, just tapping into the dream world, trying to figure out, figure out how to control it while they sleep.

[Joe Rogan]

It should be more popular. And you, sometimes you talk to some chick and she's like, yeah, I lucid dream every night. I'm like, right, come on, really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yep. She's on 18 medications, she's also bipolar and she thinks she's a witch. There's always going to be people that are bullshitting you, but there's got to be a bunch of people that are really good at lucid dreaming.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Cuz it's a thing like people know how to do it. There's got to be like a guy who's like the guru, like the lucid dream guru.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet there is. I bet there's, I bet there's courses, there's stuff online. When's the movie? Back in the day. Waking Life that Alex Jones was in there. I saw that on acid by myself when it came out in the movie theater and I was blown the away by this movie.

[Jamie Vernon]

What was he ranting about at the end? Do you remember?

[Joe Rogan]

I remember he was just ranting. Yeah, Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I wonder if one of his rant is relevant today. I want to. We haven't listened to it in a while but I bet if you listen to his rant.

[Joe Rogan]

Death and taxes don't talk about politics or religion. This is all the implement of enemy propaganda. Rolling across the picket line. Lay down, G.I. lay down, G.I. we saw it all through the 20th century. And now in the 21st century it's time to stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze. We should not submit to dehumanization. I. I don't know about you, but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world. I'm concerned with the structure. I'm concerned with the systems of control. Those that control my life and those that seek to control it even more. I want freedom. That's what I want. And that's what you should want. It's up to each and every one of us to turn loose just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy and yes, the insecurities. Because that is the central mode of control. Make us feel pathetic, small. So we'll willingly give up our sovereignty,

[Jamie Vernon]

our liberty, our destiny.

[Joe Rogan]

We have got to realize that we're being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state. The 21st century is going to be a new century. Not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues of no significance and classism and statism and all the rest of the modes of control. It's going to be the end age of humankind. Standing up for something pure and something right. What a bunch of garbage. Liberal Democrat, conservative Republican. It's all there to control you. Two sides of the same coins. Two management teams getting for control. The CEO job of Slavery Incorporated. The truth is out there in front of you. But they lay out this buffet of lies. I'm sick of it and I'm not gonna take a bite out of it. Do you got me? I got. I'm pumped on this right now.

[Jamie Vernon]

That sounds like antifa, right? That doesn't sound right wing at all.

[Joe Rogan]

Sound like a right winger at all. Yeah, at all.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, everything he's saying is true. Yeah, that's what's nuts. Like, he's all red in the face.

[Joe Rogan]

Now, this movie, Richard Linklater, right, Made this. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

This was a fun movie. Really fun. 90s, right? Was it 90s?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. Because I was already doing drugs. It had to be 2000s, if I had to guess. 2002.

[Jamie Vernon]

2001. October 2001. Nice.

[Joe Rogan]

I only started smoking weed when I was 17. Then I started experimenting with hallucinogens in those first few years of college. Just taking acid by yourself, watching that movie, being, like, blown away. The animation was so cool. It was just shaky.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. So you saw that thing that I had to do at the White House the other day?

[Joe Rogan]

I did see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People are pissed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Who's pissed?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. People online.

[Jamie Vernon]

What, because I was at the White House?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They're like, yo, Joe, you can't be at the fucking White House. Joe, you said you were fucking politically homeless.

[Jamie Vernon]

I am. He joked about it. He called me a liberal during the whole thing. He's like, joe, he's very liberal.

[Joe Rogan]

What? Oh, I saw another. What do you. The other thing, the. The big conspiracy theory is that Trump is mad at you, and he came up to the UFC and he was. He was talking shit to you.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, the opposite.

[Joe Rogan]

That video came out, and it was like, look, Trump's fucking Joe Rogan getting embarrassed by Trump at the fucking UFC event.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was literally the opposite. I texted him on Friday about ibogaine, and I was telling him how there's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. That's a hallucinogen.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is the one the vets use. Yeah. So they've had to go to Mexico to get this. So I. I've had these two different podcasts with Brian Hubbard and Rick Perry. Rick Perry was the governor of Texas, and they talked about ibogaine, and Brian Hubbard was relaying his story about how ibogaine saved him from addiction. Addiction. And fixed his brain. And then they had all these other stories of all these other veterans and all these different people that had PTSD and opiate addiction. It's. I know a lot of people have gone down there to do it. I first I found out about it from my friend Ed Clay, who runs a cpi. He's one of the guys that runs the Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana that the UFC uses for stem cells. He had a pill problem, and he went down there and did it and then opened up his own retreat down there. But because it was so potent, because it works so well, so many people.

[Joe Rogan]

What is it? What is the compound, though, it's called ibogaine. Synthetic? Like acid?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, no, no. It's. It's from a plant. It's from the. A boga tree. And this one thing that they do is not recreational. It's very. It's supposed to be a horrible experience. You shit yourself, you throw up, and you have this, like, very weird experience where it goes over your entire life and shows you, like, in every detail why you're grow like this and why you do this and what. And it also shuts off withdrawals and addiction on a lot of people. It's, like, really effective.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[Jamie Vernon]

But for a lot of these guys with PTSD was the only thing that helped them. And for the longest time, they've had to go to Mexico or to other countries, and it's really expensive. So they formed the Texas Ibogaine Initiative. And is it Lt. Governor Dan Patrick? Is that was title is. So he dedicated $100 million to it. And so now they're going to start doing it with people like soldiers and police officers and different people with PTSD and. And, you know, just people with just general depression. It's. And all sorts of addictions. Not just like opiates, but alcohol, gambling, all sorts of. Yeah, and I told him about it, and. Have you ever done them? No, no, no. But I had these guys on the podcast, and I know so many people that have done it, particularly soldiers that have done it, and. And people with opiate, like my friend Ed, and. And I said. I told him about it. I said how effective it is. And I said, you know, and it's been held up for so long. And he said, what are you looking for? You looking for FDA approval? He goes, it sounds good to me. He said, let's do it. And so literally sees me at the UFC the next day, shakes my hand and says, it's done.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what he was saying.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was like. And I said, thank you, sir. It wasn't like he was mad at me at all.

[Joe Rogan]

People jump on these, like, conclusions.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, that's okay. You know, you're allowed to. But this is the truth. That's. That's exactly what happened. He came to me and he said, it's done. We're gonna take care of. This is a good thing. It's a good thing for the soldiers, a good thing for everybody. And then he had the press conference the next week.

[Joe Rogan]

But why would anybody be. It's so funny. So, like, how they just choose to be against things, even good things like That's. It's unquestionably a really good thing.

[Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

That one is a really good thing for everybody because it. Addiction's a huge problem. And ibogaine is one of the most effective treatments for addiction that they've ever found. Another one that's really good for addiction is psilocybin. They're going to study that as well and hopefully fast track that as well. That's part of this bill. This bill is all about this executive order. This executive order is all about psychedelic treatments for people with depression, mental health disorders. And it's all to reclassify this stuff. And this is one of the things that I said, and this is why it was important for me to not just be there, but to say this, that this is. These drugs are not illegal because they're harmful. Alcohol is harmful, it's legal. Oxycodone is harmful, it's legal. They're illegal because of the 1970s Controlled Substances Act. Yeah, this is by the Nixon administration. This is just. They wanted to silence the anti war people and the civil rights people. That's it. So they said, what are these people doing? Well, they're doing acid, they're taking mushrooms, they're doing this, they're doing that. Said, make all that shit illegal. Legal as fuck. Make it the most. So they put it all In a Schedule 1.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Which means it has no medicinal benefit. And I was telling them, I'm like, it has benefit. And not only does it have benefit, it could save lives.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I, yeah, I'm. I get terrified of psychedelics at this point. I used to love them, but I just, I mean, every time if I take mushrooms, acid doesn't matter what it is, there will be an hour where I'm crying, talking to God and thinking about my mother every time.

[Jamie Vernon]

Maybe that's what you need in your life.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe. I don't know. Know, dude, sometimes I can just push it down.

[Jamie Vernon]

And I think it should be regulated in the sense that I think we should understand it better. Make sure it's pure and make sure that it's administered by people who know what they're doing. And that's what they're doing. At places like beyond, which is in Mexico, people are going down there and having these ibogaine sessions, but they're also doing it where they're strapped up to heart monitors. They, they're very careful. You can't do it if you have a bad heart because apparently it's really, really rough. Apparently it's not fun at all. Again, I haven't done it, but the people that I know that have done it, it's rescued them.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, let's micro do some ibogaine.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't think you. You got to go. I think you got to meet the devil. Like, Joey Diaz always says, what the you doing with that microdose? I'm trying to meet the devil.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. When I went, when I was younger, I was like, dude, I would love to go to, like, a peyote retreat. When you hear the same thing, it's like you vomit and you spend. You know, you have to have a special shaman, like, walk you through it and guide it. And they pat your head with a wet towel.

[Jamie Vernon]

And peyote's mescaline. And I had a buddy of mine who did mescaline in New York City said he could. He could hear people talking in another building. He goes. He was watching them through the window. They were far away, and he could hear them talking in his head. I was like, what the.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet you. I bet you he couldn't hear what they were saying. I bet you he was. I bet you he was making up their words.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think he tapped in. I think he tapped in to the quantum field. Yeah.

[Producer/Assistant]

Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

And he was inside their head. Like. Like the alien type technology, just instantaneous transport. Doesn't have to go through sound. Just pick up on the frequency of their thoughts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. All drugs would be legal. Whatever. It's your body.

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly. If alcohol is legal, and I think it should be, it's one of the worst ones for you. If that shit's legal. How many people.

[Joe Rogan]

The president of Columbia was like. He was like, alcohol is worse than cocaine. It was a quote 100 years ago. Oh, no, it was Hunter Biden.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was Hunter.

[Joe Rogan]

But I think it's actually true.

[Jamie Vernon]

True. I think it is true.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think actual real cocaine, in terms of, like, the actual, like from the coca, the disco. I'll tell you what's definitely better for you is coca leaves. Those people that live in, like, the Alps. Yeah. They chew on coca leaves. That's like in. In like, high mountainous areas. High altitude herders, they. They chew coca leaves.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They love that. I'm sure it's supposed to be really good. It's supposed to be like great coffee. Yeah. For real. It's like, not supposed to be like, you're on coke. Coke. It's supposed to be like you're. You feel energized and stimulated, and it's not bad for it, but it. Your teeth up. Oh, I'm sure you get these Dudes with these rotten cocaine chew teeth. Have you ever seen it?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I haven't.

[Jamie Vernon]

Find me some coca leaf teeth pictures. Yeah, ask Perplexity about this condition and why. Why do people get coca leaf tea face? Because it does. It rots your teeth away at least looks like. Sure, but that should be legal too. Just brush your teeth. Yeah, maybe not though. Maybe it eats your teeth. Cuz you got to think about if you can make cocaine out of it. What kind of acid stuff is in that leaves?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. It is just a leaf, right?

[Producer/Assistant]

Something else is coming up. Betel nuts or something that says.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh my God, betel nuts. What is a betel nut? So it doesn't them up from coca leaves. Oh, even better. Bolivia legalizes chewing and cross on that link NBC News to the right of that E. Yeah, look at that. Bolivia legalizes chewing and ingesting coca leaves. Bolivia wins. They're ahead of us. They win. The real problem with it is fentanyl and the fact that you have to get it from a fucking coke dealer. Yeah, those are the real problems.

[Joe Rogan]

Having to talk to a coke dealer is actually the worst part of the entire process.

[Jamie Vernon]

Pope plans to chew coca leaves during Bolivia visit. Jesus Christ. The Pope's dead now. They killed him because he wanted to chew the coca leaves. That's a 2015 article. That's wild, dude. Cuz it is weird that. I mean, is cocaine worse than alcohol? Cuz if it's not, why. Why is alcohol? The one that's legal says he specifically

[Producer/Assistant]

requested to chew it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow, what a freak.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Duncan Trussell has a great joke about Aderall. Oh yeah, he goes, aderall is like someone did cocaine and went, I can fix this.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a great joke,

[Jamie Vernon]

I think. I mean, I've never done Adderall either for the same reason that I've never done coke. Like it just seems too good. Seems like it gets you too jazzed up.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I had like debilitating. I still have debilitating adhd. I haven't done Adderall.

[Jamie Vernon]

And what does that mean though?

[Joe Rogan]

So I get, like, I get anxiety if I. If I look at my mail on my kitchen counter right now, there's a pile this high with mail. If I look at it like I

[Jamie Vernon]

feel like because you're not doing the work, you're not look going through your

[Joe Rogan]

mail, it's just a crippling depression. It feels like, like if I do my taxes, like I have a business manager that does all this shit. But when I had to do it myself. It would, like, cripple me. I would, like. I would feel like I've had depression issues. Back in the day, I felt like, depression. I feel like I want to lie down. Literally, when I look at the mail on my counter, they call it ADHD paralysis, where there's things that you don't like to do and the tedious little tasks.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That it feels like schoolwork was, like, really bad for me. That was really, really hard.

[Jamie Vernon]

But on the flip side, if there's something that you really love, do you have a lot of attention to it? A lot of energy?

[Joe Rogan]

I dive in to. Like, I obsess over it. So, like, I love the things that I do. I love work. Like, I really love what I do for a living. I do a bunch of things, really. But, like, I love work. I love getting on business meetings. I love taking a phone call. I love, you know, I love writing jokes. I love going on the road. I like. So the things that I love to do, I dive completely into.

[Jamie Vernon]

And I just sort of see, that's where it's stupid to me that that's a disease.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

That seems like you're allergic to boring shit. I don't think that's a disease. I think modern society has got people convinced that's a disease.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that there are. Yes. I think most people don't want to fold their laundry. I think most people don't want to do their taxes or go through their mail. Most people. But for me, it hits me in a way where, like, I feel a physical, like, recoil, like, I genuinely, like,

[Jamie Vernon]

allergic to boring shit.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm allergic to.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I think they've got you tricked. They've got all of us tricked.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everybody that I know and me included, that probably has adhd. Or if I think I can go to a doctor that would've been diagnosed with me, they'd say there's something wrong with you. You could have got on pills when you were a kid and it would have ruined all of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It would have fucked up that weird gift that you have where you can lock in. So what's the flip side of the. That weird gift? The other thing doesn't seem important.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Other is boring. But you have way more energy. That's exciting. It's a great point. It's a superpower, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a great point. And I. By the way, I've said that specifically that my ADHD is a superpower in Certain regards the fact that I could get so locked in on the things that I really, really want to do. But I've never really considered the fact that, like, it's making me avoid doing the things that just are tedious. Whatever. And by the way, I figured it out. I still went down the path. I'm 44 years old. I get my done, I sell, the laundry gets folded, the taxes get done.

[Jamie Vernon]

Boring. Yeah, yeah, but that's discipline. Discipline.

[Producer/Assistant]

That's all I was going to say. The discipline part is like, some people can't.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right.

[Producer/Assistant]

Or like, how does it get done?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, Like, I mean, I was like. Like a really bad student. Like, I just skin in my teeth, gradually stand.

[Jamie Vernon]

But the idea that this gift that you have is what doesn't get concentrated on the gift is you have an extraordinary amount of energy that you can devote to something you really, really love. Most people wish they had that. That's the gift. The flip side of it, of course, the other things aren't even remotely interesting because you need to be stimulated in order to give something. All of your attention. Yeah, some people could just drone on and drone on, and they don't have adhd. That doesn't. That's not good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think adhd, it made growing up pretty tough. Like, because you get pegged, you get. You get called a bad kid.

[Jamie Vernon]

I didn't get good grades. I'm a millionaire and I had bad grades when I was 12.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right. You're not wrong. No, you're not wrong, dog.

[Jamie Vernon]

I know I'm right.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right, let's wrap this up. I gotta get out of here. So, Gas Digital, what else? Tell everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Stankfest on sale today.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, 420. What a good time to sell.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is it 421? Are they on sale today or tomorrow?

[Joe Rogan]

They're on sale today.

[Jamie Vernon]

They.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, this comes out tomorrow.

[Jamie Vernon]

So yesterday they went on this podcast yesterday, because those butchers, those tickets go

[Joe Rogan]

quick, they go fast. So the all access pass, if I had a guess, are pretty close to sold out, but you can still get single day.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I bet the skankers already know. What do you call your. Your people?

[Joe Rogan]

Skanks.

[Jamie Vernon]

Skanks. The skanks already know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we got a big lineup.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's amazing, dude. Congratulations on all this because every comic always agrees that it is absolutely the best festival. They love it. They love the vibe. They love, you know, how much effort and time you guys put into it. It's awesome, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah, but it's gonna be. It's gonna be. You should come one day, Joe.

[Jamie Vernon]

I will come one day.

[Joe Rogan]

Skankfest.com skankfest.com and yeah, get those tickets. Shane's gonna be there. Mark Norman, Derek, Andre. It sounds great, Everybody. I mean, 170 comics.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everybody loves it. All right. Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

It was fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

Thank you. All right, bye, everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Sam.