#2487 - Action Bronson

Summary

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The Joe Rogan Experience #2487 - Action Bronson

Date: April 22, 2026
Guest: Action Bronson (with Jamie and Jesse)

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Episode Overview

This episode features Joe Rogan and his guest, rapper, chef, and cultural icon Action Bronson. The conversation bounces energetically between ancient civilizations, travel, art, fitness, fighting, luxury vehicles, and the peculiarities of modern society. Their dialogue fuses deep curiosity with irreverent humor, making for a freewheeling yet thoughtful exploration of everything from primordial anthropology to city garbage collection. Peppered with personal anecdotes, offbeat rabbit holes, and expert-level MMA breakdowns, it's an immersive ride for both fans and first-timers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Male Accessories and Identity

(00:15–04:43)

• Joe and Jamie muse about the appeal and function of "male accessories": knives, watches, tools, even custom pool cues.
• They joke about the sensibilities and faux pas of men’s jewelry—chains, nose rings, and "ankle jewelry," bringing nostalgia with Tazmanian Devil tattoos as a status symbol in their youth.
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 03:31): “Taz and barbed wire—man, if you had both, you were somebody.”

2. Vacations & Food Tourism

(05:02–06:01)

• Action emphasizes how eating is the central feature of any vacation, advocating plans around culinary experiences as a more authentic engagement than strict sightseeing schedules.
• Joe recounts eating rare scampi in front of the Pantheon, pushing the importance of combining historic exploration with food discovery.
• Quote (Jamie, 05:10): “The schedule should be around eating.”

3. Ancient Civilizations, Pyramids, and Human Origins

(06:49–22:11, 133:06–144:36)

• Spirited deep-dives into the mysteries of Teotihuacan, the Olmecs (and their enigmatic stone heads), the concept of civilizations building on top of each other (Italy, Jerusalem, Mexico), and the massive unknowns of human prehistory.
• Discussion on the true builders of pre-Columbian sites, sea-faring peoples up to 450,000 years ago, the evolution and intelligence of Neanderthals, and fossils.
• Reviewing the latest about potential discoveries like a second Sphinx in Egypt and hidden pyramidal structures in the Amazon.
• Quote (Jamie, 08:14): “Story of that area is so insane...There's so much about that area like the Olmecs...no one knows who made it, what language they spoke. It’s crazy.”
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 21:02): “We're putting together a version of the history that's completely incomplete.”

4. Conspiracy, AI, and the Age of Machines

(25:22–31:56, 152:28–157:36)

• Reflecting on AI’s rise—creative opportunities and threats to artists' jobs, the inevitability of adoption, and the futility of resistance.
• Action Bronson’s use of an AI-generated frog as an album cover and the backlash he received.
• Conversation turns to recent disappearances of scientists in the UFO community, missing researchers, and shadowy events possibly linked to secret technology or government action.
• Quote (Jamie, 30:43): “That wave [AI] is 2,000ft high, and it’s moving 100 miles an hour. You’re not gonna stop it.”
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 152:19): “This is why we have to be smoking weed in front of a green screen talking about this and having weird people come on and comment.”

5. Personal Transformation – Fitness, Diet, and Rituals

(32:08–37:08, 64:11–65:56, 108:13–109:06)

• Action discusses his ongoing journey in losing weight (down from 300 to 265 lbs), changing his eating habits, and maintaining rigorous gym routines, including kettlebells and club training.
• They compare fitness regimens, the importance of functional movement (Pilates, yoga), and how body changes can impact identity and performance.
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 33:05): “I'm jacked. I'm jacked...You're a bull.”
• Quote (Bronson, 37:17): “Tighten up that man pussy, bro. My man pussy was like, fucking that. It was like, rock solid…”

6. Urban Life – NYC Politics, Garbage, and Rats

(50:11–57:58)

• A detailed look at New York City’s municipal struggles—garbage collection, union strikes, rat infestations—contrasted with how Action and Joe view blue-collar work and the need for dignity and solid pay for “necessary” jobs.
• Reflections on new sanitation rules, the impact on city ecology (the rat/human ecosystem), and inadvertently hilarious personal rat stories.
• Quote (Jamie, 53:46): “Anybody that doesn’t think [garbage collection] is a hard job is a cunt.”

7. Modern Medicine, Fame, and Celebrity Scandals

(39:03–44:49)

• Nostalgia for when doctors used to promote cigarettes, the shift in cultural attitudes toward medicine, and musings on America’s over-medication.
• Discussing how fame can warp people, referencing Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, and the fine line between loving the art and the problems with the artist.
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 41:43): “He’s the only one. No one cares. Right?”

8. Food, Wildlife, and Exotic Tastes

(43:24–48:50)

• Segment on eating exotic and even endangered animals (porcupine, snake, turtle) around the world, mixed with ethical concerns and cultural differences.
• Stories about pet turtles and their dinosaur-like ferocity, plus observations on nature’s lack of mercy.
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 47:05): “Some turtles are not in danger. I know, but I don’t even like to do it…It turns me off.”

9. Combat Sports Breakdown

(66:46–109:49)

• Robust segment analyzing recent and upcoming UFC fights, fight strategies, and athlete mindsets, including Carlos Ulberg’s courageous KO win with a blown-out knee, Khalil Rountree’s technical sidekick, the evolution of fighters like Paulo Costa, and the significant role of wrestling in MMA.
• Discussions extend to legendary heavyweights (Cain Velasquez, Fedor, Mirko Cro Cop), gymnastic foundations for young fighters, and even training dos and don’ts from personal experience (Bronson’s broken leg story).
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 75:08): “[Carlos Ulberg]…That’s a world champion. You have a blown-out knee and you find a way to KO a guy…perfect left hook.”

10. Vehicles, Overlanding, and Apocalypse-Ready Rigs

(122:27–129:41)

• Action Bronson shares love of overlanding, tricked-out trucks (Toyota Sequoia), and car-building projects, including prepping an ‘87 BMW M6 into a Baja-style rally car.
• Shared delight in customizing vehicles, the fantasy of having an "apocalypse vehicle," and admiration for Toyota and Lexus reliability.
• Quote (Joe Rogan, 129:04): “Gotta have something that can go away from the road 100%. If you’re stuck in a Ferrari on the highway, you’re stuck.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Ancient Civilizations:
  “You wonder what they knew about the rest of the world? Did they know anything?...We assume that they were all isolated. But more and more, they keep finding evidence of seafaring peoples, boats back 60,000 years…”
  — Jamie, 16:01

• On Creating Art in the Age of AI:
  “There was no job to be taken away. If that’s the argument, you could throw that one out.”
  — Action Bronson, 29:29

• On Personal Growth:
  “I just like learning, man. Love new experiences. I’m always on the brink of a new exploration, a new breakthrough…Because I didn’t start as a little baby face…Now I’m more of a man.”
  — Action Bronson, 120:02

• On Gendered Social Habits:
  “Women get mad on subways because men man-spread. But that’s how our hips are designed.”
  — Joe Rogan, 130:01

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Key Timestamps for Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |--------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:15–04:43 | Male accessories, tattoos, and youthful subcultures | | 05:02–06:01 | Vacations, food, and travel | | 06:49–22:11 | Ancient civilizations, architecture, and origins | | 25:22–31:56 | AI, digital art backlash, future of work | | 32:08–37:08 | Fitness, food, losing weight | | 39:03–44:49 | Medicine, fame, artist scandals | | 47:12–55:02 | Rats, garbage, and NYC urban ecosystem | | 66:46–109:49 | Full-throttle MMA breakdowns, fighter stories, and training | | 122:27–129:41| Overlanding, cars, prepping for the unknown | | 133:06–144:36| More on pyramids, site discoveries, pyramids in Amazon, Sphinx | | 152:28–157:36| UFO/Scientist conspiracy theories, missing researchers |

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Additional Highlights

• Unique Anecdotes:

  • Action Bronson’s car theft while only wearing underwear (123:41)
  • Meeting Martin Lawrence post–Wheel of Fortune taping (114:10)
  • Pilates-induced muscle pain: “I tightened up that man pussy, bro!” (36:22)

• Cultural Observations:

  • Transition from illegal to legal weed culture in New York (147:05)
  • “Apocalypse vehicles” as a must-have for city dwellers (129:04)

• Compelling asides:

  • AI as “alive”—with its own direction (31:19)
  • Turtles as psychotic pets, nature's ruthlessness (46:19–49:00)
  • The path for new comics vs. new rappers: how digital democratization changes careers (117:46–120:02)

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Tone & Style

Throughout, Joe and Action keep the banter humorous, candid, and sometimes crude, but always grounded in genuine curiosity—with recurring self-deprecation and a contagious openness to possibility. They mix skepticism, conspiracy, and deep dives without losing pace or spirit.

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For Listeners/Newcomers

If you haven’t caught the episode, this conversation is for anyone who loves digressive curiosity—touching on ancient technology, fighting mindsets, survivalist dreams, urban policy, and the quirks of forging a public persona in modern America. The tone is equal parts playful and profound, with lessons applicable both in the gym and in navigating the weirdness of the 21st century.

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Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

[Jamie]

The Joe Rogan experience.

[Joe Rogan]

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. That would. Brought a smile to my face.

[Jamie]

Yeah. All the weird that someone's given me, that's at the top. Well, I got this. This is a woolly mammoth tooth that my friend John gave me. Woolly mammoth tooth with a woolly mammoth carved into it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's craziness.

[Jamie]

That's crazy, right? That tooth's probably 10,000 years old. No bullshit.

[Joe Rogan]

But the balls to carve into it too.

[Jamie]

I know. I would never. I mean, it's beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

That's gorgeous.

[Jamie]

The guy did it. He nailed it. I mean, it's. It's a beautiful little elephant there.

[Joe Rogan]

That's unbelievable.

[Jamie]

But I would never carve into one of these things.

[Joe Rogan]

It almost looks like an alligator gar from the side. Like a little alligator jaw, right?

[Jamie]

It does, right? The thing about these teeth, though, is they find so many of them that they don't think of them as precious. So you're allowed to do stuff with them. Like you could buy a knife with a woolly mammoth handle. Like, this is. This is a piece of woolly mammoth that they make for a gun. So you could put that on a 1911. It's a handle made out of woolly mammoth teeth.

[Joe Rogan]

You just have a. This is an extra handle. Is this. This handle?

[Jamie]

It's the pistol.

[Joe Rogan]

It's this handle.

[Jamie]

It's the pistol handle. It's the pistol handle, yeah. And this is a piece.

[Joe Rogan]

It would make a good handle for this one too. Like the front one for fucking. Like, if you're holding a sick ass thing.

[Jamie]

Sick gas thing. Yeah, Yeah. I definitely could do that too. I mean, they basically could make anything they want out of it. They make folding knives out of it. Jamie has a folding knife out of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you make piano keys out of it?

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah. You definitely could, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Woolly mammoth. They use it for woolly mammoth wooler.

[Jamie]

You could, right? You definitely could. If you could use ivory, you could use woolly mammoth ivory because they use it in pool cues. This is a tooth tooth.

[Joe Rogan]

I used to have my own pool cue. Unscrewed it. I used to come to the fucking pool hall, would unscrew the fucking thing and get nuts with it. Having a pool, like having a pool cue is. You're a different level of human being when you're walking around with that. You're not playing games.

[Jamie]

You're not playing games.

[Joe Rogan]

You're there to play games, but you're not playing.

[Jamie]

It's a Very serious thing. It's a cool thing. You show up with your own cue. Like in the Hustler. A guy shows up with a leather satchel.

[Joe Rogan]

That satchel alone?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's male accessories, Right? I love a good male accessory. Right.

[Jamie]

Like we don't have a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you have a knife. Knife always looks good on the side. A gun.

[Jamie]

Watch.

[Joe Rogan]

Watch.

[Jamie]

Watch is a good male. It's like the most acceptable male jewelry. For sure. Watches.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want no one with a nose ring. I don't want to pull up with the witness one.

[Jamie]

Or like the Brahma bull nose ring. You could pull off gold chains and diamonds and shit. Cause you're a rapper.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no one knows me as that. But you are a blue collar guy. I don't even look good with jewelry on.

[Jamie]

I look silly. I do too. I feel stupid. I never wear a chain. I feel stupid.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't own a chain. I had a chain back in the day. It had a little miniature Tasmanian devil piece.

[Jamie]

That was the tattoo everybody in high school got.

[Joe Rogan]

Taz was the first. I want one now.

[Jamie]

Taz with boxing gloves.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, for sure. Boxing gloves. Boxing gloves with the child's name. I have that on my.

[Jamie]

Yeah, my friend Kenny got that. It was his first tattoo when we were in high school. Tasmanian devil with a boxing glove. We were all like, sick. Cause we were like 16.

[Joe Rogan]

Taz was still to this day one of like that and barbed wire. If you had barb wire and Taz.

[Jamie]

Dudes went so far with barbed wire. They got barbed wire around their ankle, which is.

[Joe Rogan]

That's unacceptable.

[Jamie]

A big mistake.

[Joe Rogan]

It was Pamela Anderson with the barbed wire. Remember that one?

[Jamie]

She had it on. Didn't she have it on her ankle or she had it on her arm?

[Joe Rogan]

On the arm.

[Jamie]

In that movie, a lot of dudes had it on the arm fairly. Okay. It's kind of a bad decision, but it's okay.

[Joe Rogan]

But on the ankle, any type of ankle accessory jewelry, other than like a surveillance, it really. For me, it doesn't work. My ankle is way too Balkan. It's a thick ass ankle.

[Jamie]

Right, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't hold jewelry.

[Jamie]

Well, no ankle does. No male ankle holds jewelry. Well, I mean, I don't believe in it. Listen, I'm not telling you what to do. If you're a guy who likes beads on your ankle, feel free.

[Joe Rogan]

If I go to Club Med and come back with the braids and the ankle twist, you know, then it's like we're on vacation.

[Jamie]

Even on vacation, ankle jewelry is odd for a Man.

[Joe Rogan]

But, you know, people start acting different when they go on vacation. I have friends that wear different outfits. Shorts get shorter, shirts get tighter.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Pieces of clothing just remove themselves.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like wearing. I need to wear the Velcro pants to just rip them off.

[Jamie]

Sometimes when you're on vacation, you just don't want to be yourself for a week.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel that.

[Jamie]

Just relax. Can I just cut this fucking tie off?

[Joe Rogan]

I also don't want an agenda. Right. I don't want to have, like, we're doing this, we're doing that. Vacation is not to have a schedule.

[Jamie]

I think the schedule should be around eating. Oh. That's what I believe. That's my. My feeling is like, cool, ancient things. Like, if you're in a cool place like Athens, you know, you definitely got to go seek some cool, ancient. But get. Get the good grub.

[Joe Rogan]

Speaking my language now.

[Jamie]

Find that. Find the spots.

[Joe Rogan]

I was eating some rare scampi right in front of the Pantheon. Oh, you know, like, there was a beautiful restaurant known for scampi right there.

[Jamie]

Wow. That's phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

I was just recently in Mexico City at. At Teotihuacan.

[Jamie]

I want to go there. I was in Mexico City only once for the ufc, but it was in and out. It was one day. You know, Mexico City is a dope spot, man. I don't go places, but there's a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

It's New York.

[Jamie]

It's kind of like a Mexican New York, but bigger.

[Joe Rogan]

It is. It's all but bigger.

[Jamie]

Bigger than New York.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. There's like 10 million people that live in the place. They told us not to go to. Yeah, they told. Yo, listen. I was like, what the is this massive area? He's like, yo, don't go there. But 10 million people live there.

[Jamie]

What is the population of Mexico City?

[Joe Rogan]

And I was getting that good lung capacity. Right.

[Jamie]

If you're working out up there, it's like, I think that's really high above sea level.

[Joe Rogan]

It is 10,000.

[Jamie]

Is it 10? Mexico City's 10.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

But what an advantage you would have if you lived up there. And then you go down to sea level, you could everybody up. Your cardio would be off the charts.

[Joe Rogan]

I couldn't believe myself.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's real.

[Joe Rogan]

I was just doing normal things. I wasn't even working out.

[Jamie]

Right. Exactly. You just feel like you're like, got more. You're more blood in you, cuz. You do. Whoa. Load a mid 20 million people, depending how you define its boundaries. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also unknown. There's no census that I.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also very. It's. It's lots of shanty situations as well.

[Jamie]

Oh, of course. Yeah.

[Jesse]

The shooting that happened yesterday.

[Jamie]

Where at t? No. What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a shooting.

[Jamie]

Oh, I did see something like a sister crazy person, right?

[Jesse]

Yeah, I believe so. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Ti popular tourist archaeological site outside of

[Joe Rogan]

Mexico City where you're not allowed to go. That's the sun temple.

[Jamie]

You're not allowed to walk that. Like what they're doing just to that

[Joe Rogan]

area and then you can't go up

[Jamie]

and so this guy just started shooting people.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wait, he can't go there. He's. He's elevated. Yeah, that's the sun temple.

[Jesse]

He's there with the gun and there's a bunch of people like laying down

[Jamie]

on the ground that were like, oh, Jesus Christ.

[Jesse]

Something like he's like shooting right at him.

[Jamie]

So crazy.

[Jesse]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

He said he just span to them too. I saw something on Google this morning. He said something to them that was

[Joe Rogan]

hopping on one leg. Did you see the hopping?

[Jamie]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Jesse]

Yeah, I didn't see that.

[Jamie]

Just going to go check out some cool buildings and someone shoots your Achilles tendon off, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

That's.

[Jamie]

That.

[Joe Rogan]

That's one of the worst injuries you could probably sustain is an Achilles injury,

[Jamie]

especially with a gunshot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

How many people died?

[Jesse]

I think one seven people were shot. One fatally shot.

[Jamie]

The story of that area, that place is so insane. I went down this long rabbit hole because I'd read something that the Aztecs didn't build that and that they found it there and they called it the place where gods were born. So then I went into this deep dive on the Aztec people and whoever was there before them. It's a total unknown. There's so much about that area like the Olmecs. They don't. Who the were they? They don't know. They just got these giant stone heads that look like they're either Polynesian or African. They're huge heads with a helmet on. And there's a bunch of them. And no one knows who made it. No one knows what language they spoke. It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's truly unbelievable. It.

[Jamie]

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[Joe Rogan]

I know there's one native language that I worked in kitchens my whole life, so they would always joke with me that they were speaking Totonaka. And Totonaka is definitely like a tribe from down there and it's these mythical curing people like these the healers. And we happen to actually my wife knows a woman from the lineage of that family. It's all just crazy shit. But regardless of that, just the sheer fact of those Buildings I saw with my own eyes that that's not it. There's more underneath. That's not just. It's all surface area. Right, right, right. That stuff go. It runs deep. There's like cities on top of cities on top.

[Jamie]

They build them on old ones.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's just like. You tile the floor, you just leave that bullshit. You just tile right over it.

[Jamie]

Well, even in. When I was in Italy, we were in Ravello, and there's this beautiful church up there. You go for a little walk up the hill, there's a beautiful church. Old church, like from. But it's built on top of a church that's like a thousand years old. And there's a glass floor you could see through to the bottom with the original ruins.

[Joe Rogan]

The same thing in Mexico City.

[Jamie]

They do that everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

These people making their pilgrimage where they crawl on the floor from fucking hundreds of miles away in Jesus name just to get to the church.

[Jamie]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what that. Some act of like some humbling act where they crawl from hundreds of miles away to the church and everyone come. I don't. Millions of people come to this. It was fucking crazy.

[Jamie]

That would be a religious experience.

[Joe Rogan]

It truly was. Like, I was just in there. We caught sermon and I was just. I was getting fucking chills. Like, I just. From the way they spoke and the echo, the way that the acoustics in this room was.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

It was meant to give you chills. They know what they're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they know what they're doing. I don't want to go down the

[Jesse]

full, like, Charlie Kirk rabbit hole, but I saw this video yesterday where he. He visited Jerusalem and they were taking him to this place underground where they mapped it out and used archaeology to find out that, like, I believe this spot here where they're at, Jesus, I think, preached or something. It's all. They found it underground and they just built the city on top of it.

[Jamie]

Like you're just saying there's all these phenomena, but that is a common thing. Yeah, yeah, it's a common thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Find this is where he was.

[Jamie]

No, no, I mean, it's a common thing where they take old sites and they just build the new sites on top of them. It's a really common thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's kind of. It's fucked up, but it's also like paying homage, I guess, kind of keeping the same vibe. Like the.

[Jamie]

Well, it's just like rebuilding a house.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You want to keep some bones. Keeps good bones. It's like there's good bones there, right?

[Jamie]

I don't think people probably had a really good sense of what history would mean 2000 years later back then, you know what I mean? Like, when they were doing all this

[Joe Rogan]

shit, they were busy. They were busy. They left all kinds of tchotchkes, man. Yeah, they left so many tchotchkes. It's crazy. Like, I feel stupid. Like, what am I? Like, I have to do the same thing with my time. I have to constantly be. I have to leave cool shit because

[Jamie]

they left cool shit just because I

[Joe Rogan]

feel it in me as well. Like, I get. I get it, right? I get it. But when I went to the museum down there, you see all these things. It's like ornaments, like. Like just literal tchotchkes. Things you would see ornamentally placed by your grandmother on top of things, or like on top of doily, just for decorative purposes, but also everyday things and just everything meant something. Everything meant something to them. And everything was done with intention. I don't think that this was all accidental for them. They knew. Well, they knew who they were praising all the little figurines for the fertile women were these women with big humongous hips and asses and big breasts and stuff like that. These are the nurturing women. Then they showed the people who were supposed to be witch doctors. They fucking look like witch doctors. All crazy. Three skulls holding crazy fucking things. Like, they determined my view or these views of who people are. You understand, like, status wise and species wise. Like, this is a barber. This is a. This. And your idea of what that person looks like. A nurturing woman is known to be a voluptuous woman, right? Their ideas were there already. They built all their little tchotchkes and their little statuettes that they represent these women, very voluptuous.

[Jamie]

It would have been interesting to see, to hear their version of the world. You know what I mean? Like, I wonder what they knew about the rest of the world. I wonder how much they knew. How much they knew about, like, Europe and Asia and how much they knew about Africa. Did they know anything about all that stuff, like, when they were existing? Like, whoever built. How do you say it? Teotihuacan.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Teotihuacan.

[Jamie]

Whoever built that. Like, how much did they know about the rest of the world? That's what's interesting, because we don't really know. We assume that they were all isolated. But more and more, as time goes on, they keep finding evidence of earlier and earlier seafaring people. I think they've pushed people in boats back to 60,000 years. Now let's see if that's true. Put that in perplexity. What is the oldest known use of boats?

[Jesse]

Also speaking of that, they think they found Noah.

[Joe Rogan]

As long as there's been water, there's probably something to float on it.

[Jesse]

Noah's Ark scans. I brought that up before.

[Jamie]

Oh, Mount Ararat in Turkey.

[Jesse]

But yeah, it's been going around Twitter the last couple of days. I think they did some new scans and found some stuff underneath it.

[Jamie]

Oh, shit. I want to see that. But what was the other question? The other question is the oldest boat. What do you guess? Take a guess.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking. It's beyond my thought. It was like, I don't even know a number. A number doesn't come to mind, like, as long as there's been water. What the fuck does that mean? I don't even know.

[Jamie]

I wonder how long it took, like, early man to figure out. The trees float. And if you could figure out a tool. Once they figured out tools, they must have started making stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

But when we see all these ancient really, like, laser diagnostic fucking situations, they knew already.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's different. That's different. Like Egypt, right? Archaic humans are crossing substantial sea channels long before our species Homo sapiens appeared on the record. Whoa. So implying intentional crossings as far back as roughly 450,000 years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

When you think about it.

[Jamie]

What the fuck?

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking polar bears and seals, they jump up on a little broken piece of ice and they float.

[Jamie]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a boat. Yeah, that's a boat.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's what the polar bears are doing. You're absolutely right.

[Joe Rogan]

They put their hand in the water as a rudder. Let's go this way. Let's go that way.

[Jamie]

Yeah, they know what they're doing. They know how to tip them over tight. The seals to pop off, slide.

[Joe Rogan]

It's years of evolutionary knowledge.

[Jamie]

Yeah. 450,000 years is bananas, though. I thought it was like 60.

[Jesse]

Well, further up it said somewhere between 60 and 130,000, but this article here says could be even more before that.

[Jamie]

Well, what was that? Most recent discovery of a human skull that backdates human beings. Not necessarily Homo sapiens, but versions of humans back to a million years. Was it hormone? Not Homo naledi.

[Jesse]

It was a skull they had, but they knew testing or something.

[Jamie]

Right. And this, it said, they said it's a million years old. So I don't think it's us, but I think it's it. Co. The thing, the question is, it coexisted with us.

[Jesse]

Yeah, that's About a million years old is what it says.

[Jamie]

So that might mean we're a million years old. Want to see some shit or hear about some shit that I just read the other day? That's nuts. You know how the thought is that there's Neanderthals and that human beings bred with Neanderthals and that's how the Neanderthal population went out. There's at least this one researcher who has a different opinion and he was using genetics to point this out. He said that he believed that humans may have created Neanderthals so that humans bred with an even older human species. And Neanderthal is the offspring of the humans, Homo sapiens and whatever this older thing is.

[Joe Rogan]

It didn't create a superhuman, though.

[Jamie]

Well, Neanderthals are kind of a superhuman,

[Joe Rogan]

but mentally they're known to be a little bit like Neanderthal. No. Why didn't you.

[Jamie]

That's a statement that people say.

[Joe Rogan]

I'd like to know were they. Is Neanderthal really an intelligence or is it dumb?

[Jamie]

Yeah, we don't really know.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm a fucking idiot. Like I must be this. I also.

[Jamie]

They had bigger brains than us though, which is weird. But that might have been to have better musculature, better coordination. They were way stronger than us.

[Joe Rogan]

Huge.

[Jamie]

They weren't big. They were like 5, 7, 5, 8. They were like structure.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Right.

[Jamie]

They're built completely different than us. They would tear us apart. They would tear us apart the way like a chimpanzee would tear you apart. They just rip your arms off. Like they're insanely strong and their bones are much denser than ours. But says the gap between genetics and archaeology leaves us with an unclear picture of where the Neanderthals originated. Colonists Michael Marsh actual details a surprising new hypothesis that suggests they may have come from us. So this was the. This was the thing that I had read.

[Jesse]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Jamie]

Oh, you have to buy a. What is this? New scientist. We should probably get a subscription for them anyway. We use them a lot. They got good on there. So this, I think the idea is that they're, you know, there's a. They keep finding these other versions of humans. Like they found this thing called the Denisovan and then they found this other one. What do they call the big headed people?

[Joe Rogan]

Which are they finding these. Like they find bones.

[Jamie]

China is one of them. They found the big headed guy they found in China. You know, they find them all over the world, man. They find these bones that are just weird. You got to Think of how few human bones are going to make it from people that are alive right now. So few of us are ever going to become fossils. So we are putting together a version of the history that's completely incomplete as far as the evidence is concerned. There's just not enough evidence of, like, bones. If we had, like, look, if everybody who ever lived died and left their bones, and then future people could study their bones forever, boy, we would know so much more. We would know so much more. There'd be bones everywhere, but we would know so much more about how things work.

[Joe Rogan]

French did something with them. Fucking catacombs. Put them on the ground. Build some things, make it decorative.

[Jamie]

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[Jesse]

here in the middle? Yeah. And they said it's the.

[Jamie]

Wait a minute. That's not AI?

[Jesse]

Nope.

[Joe Rogan]

Is this all lidar?

[Jamie]

So this is a picture, Bro, that's crazy. That's the actual image.

[Jesse]

I'll show you the other ones they have.

[Jamie]

God, that looks like. That looks like what? Somebody would send me in a Facebook group chat. They found Noah's Ark. I'm like, this shit right here.

[Joe Rogan]

If it's not a. If it's AI, it should say it, right?

[Jamie]

If it's not AI, God, it looks like a boat. So, look, I'm not a geologist or someone who's a landscape expert, but that's a very unusual feature. What are the odds that something looks exactly like a boat?

[Jesse]

So then underneath it, they scanned it, and then they're saying that these potentially are hallways or.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, that's the shape of a boat.

[Jamie]

That's a fucking boat. Oh, so there's structure inside of it?

[Jesse]

Well, the biggest Issue is that this is on the side of a mountain, so that's not where the ocean is, bro. The great flood, it's 6,500ft above sea level, it says. So if you're going to go with the story of the flood, then you'd have to say that we don't know exactly when the flood happened because this would be petrified wood or something. And I read it takes somewhere between thousands and millions of years to get petrified wood. So we'd have to be on the lower end of the thousands because it's probably not millions of years. And then tectonic plates would have had to lift it all the way up here.

[Jamie]

No, not necessarily. If the flood receded. Well, I guess when the water was that high.

[Jesse]

Yeah, if it flooded the entire planet.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

But then the question would be, where's all that water?

[Jesse]

Yeah, I don't think it flooded.

[Joe Rogan]

All kinds of strange phenomena push things towards the surface.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This could be anything.

[Jamie]

It could be anything. But, boy, it looks like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like if it was down below, the water could definitely push. Like everything could be pushed. As long as that's, like, nestled in there.

[Jamie]

I think a lot of.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe it was good wood.

[Jamie]

The universe with us. I think it's part of the simulation. Part of the simulation is the universe with us. And the universe shows you some things that shouldn't be real by your version of what is and isn't true.

[Joe Rogan]

AI well, that's why that's happening. That's the explanation of it.

[Jamie]

Yeah, right. That is. But then there's stuff like this. If this is an AI, it's almost like the universe is a high. Like, looks like a big ability, not real. Whoa. So does that line up with the actual biblical.

[Jesse]

That's where like, this is even five years ago that this picture on the screen was taken. So I think that they're. They're doing. Whether or not they're taking some liberties and what the descriptions are or not, I don't know because.

[Jamie]

Well, it certainly is a weird shape.

[Joe Rogan]

This is Noah's Ark right here. This thing? Yeah, it looks like a riverboat. Well, that's looks like we're playing like we're playing pinochle on the riverboat there on that one.

[Jamie]

Well, he had to get all the animals in there, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

This doesn't seem like that would be the one.

[Jamie]

What did you think it looked like?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know, like some mega yacht.

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Bunch of holes. And what. What is the things, the staffs and holes.

[Jamie]

Listen, I Think. I think the story of the flood's a real story because it existed too many cultures.

[Joe Rogan]

Water is very unexplainable. Water has no enemy.

[Jamie]

And tsunamis. Tsunamis fucking happen, dude. And if they happened and you were in that area, you would think it's the end of the world because you don't have contact with people in Europe. You don't have, you know, you don't have contact. So wherever you are is an apocalypse.

[Joe Rogan]

The great flood.

[Jamie]

You think it's the whole world's gone.

[Jesse]

I don't know if there's anything specific about the acacia wood, but I remember looking this up last week and it very specifically said acacia wood was used to make the ark.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I'll tell you, this Acacia honey is fucking unbelievably delicious.

[Jamie]

Well, the reason he's bringing that up is Acacia is also rich in dmt. And that's these scientists.

[Joe Rogan]

No wonder I like it.

[Jamie]

There you go, doc. These researchers out of Jerusalem think that that's what Moses burning bush was. So where God saw. Where Moses saw God as a burning bush, that's what they think that means they were burning the acacia bush.

[Joe Rogan]

He's hitting the Demes.

[Jamie]

He was hitting the Dems. He was hitting the Dems. He probably did talk to God. God probably did have some good messages for humanity in the early days when we were basically just savages. Wild fucking creatures with stone tools, man. We've come a long way. I mean, human beings are still trying to figure it out, obviously, right? We're in the middle of three fucking wars going on in the world, but we're doing better, I think. Yeah, I think we're doing better. We're doing better in day shop stuff. Day to day interactions with people are definitely, for the most part, better.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been, you know, I feel like. I just feel like we're at a place where everyone's gonna. Either they're gonna come together or we're gonna just fucking totally rip our fucking heads off, right?

[Jamie]

My fear is that a lot of chaos is gonna happen and they're gonna use that as an excuse to have AI run everything. And that's where things get really fucking weird. That's where creativity dissolves, freedom dissolves. You become some little biological time card, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

The other day I fucking. I posted a picture of a frog that I AI generated just because I wasn't able to get the frog to do what the fuck I wanted to do in real life. Like, I want the frog holding frog popsicles. He was being difficult, so I had to fucking use another guy. And everyone was blasting me, like, yo, not you. Not you. I can't believe you used AI. Like, yo, you're what? People were fucking flipping out on me.

[Jamie]

So people are upset I generated a

[Joe Rogan]

picture of a frog.

[Jamie]

Who is mad at you for this?

[Joe Rogan]

Whoever is on my Instagram.

[Jamie]

Huh?

[Joe Rogan]

And my fans and the people who. Who are, you know, just hating on AI. I get. I get the idea of, like, using it in a, you know, in a conniving way or in a. You know. But it was a picture of a fucking frog. There it is. That's fucking good.

[Jamie]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

And I said that that was gonna be my album cover, but then why. They were like, yo, you're taking away opportunities from other artists. Well, let me just clear this up. I wouldn't have hired you no matter what, because I do all my artwork anyway. There was no job to be taken away. So let's just. If that's the argument, you could throw that one out.

[Jamie]

This is just tools.

[Joe Rogan]

It's good old fun.

[Jamie]

Listen, I don't think this is Photoshop.

[Joe Rogan]

Pretty much.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Look, it's beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Jamie]

It's very cool looking.

[Joe Rogan]

But then I did.

[Jamie]

I get what people are saying.

[Joe Rogan]

I get it, too.

[Jamie]

I get.

[Joe Rogan]

After it was explained to me by a younger generation of mine, I get

[Jamie]

you should hire artists to make stuff. But do you know how long it'll take an artist to make that? Unless the artist is doing exactly what you're doing?

[Joe Rogan]

But I get that. But I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have hired them in the first place because I do all the artwork on my own. Everything comes from me.

[Jamie]

So it's not a job loss.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it wasn't a job loss, no matter what. But I get the idea of it. I get the idea, you know, like, it's fucking whack. That. That's. That's what people are worried about, I don't think.

[Jamie]

I think it's just a bunch of people looking for things to complain about. A. And then there's also, like, a sentiment in the air, which is that AI is coming for everybody's job. So anytime someone uses AI that could have been used by people, there's a certain percentage of people that are gonna kind of rightly be upset. But you're not gonna stop it. This is the thing that fucking. That wave is 2,000ft high, and it's moving 100 miles an hour, and you're not gonna stop it. You're not gonna stop it. This is just what AI is.

[Joe Rogan]

I Didn't. I didn't realize the severity. I mean, I guess I do now, but.

[Jamie]

Bro, it's alive.

[Joe Rogan]

It's fucked. It's fucked for sure.

[Jamie]

These things are alive and they're gonna be able to do everything for you.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't usually use any of those things. I'm pretty, you know, Neanderthal when it comes to this type of thing.

[Jamie]

Yeah, see, the thing about the Neanderthals is they don't know if they were dumb. So they used to think that they were really stupid. And then they realized that they probably had language and they probably had tools and they probably had a sophisticated society and they buried their young. And maybe we just assumed because they're brutish and strong that they were stupid, but their brains are bigger than our brains. They might not have been.

[Joe Rogan]

Myself in the editor.

[Jamie]

They're big eyeballs, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Looks are deceiving. You think that you know some schlub. And here I come. Fucking mister. Oh, my God, I did it this morning.

[Jamie]

Swing that motherfucker, dude. It's very impressive. It's a hard thing to do.

[Joe Rogan]

And I got. I got up to, like, 88 pounds on that bitch, which is ridiculous.

[Jamie]

That's a lot. I started doing this new kettlebell exercise. You do like, an eight in the air with a kettlebell. We start it like this, and you go all the way up and down like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, that's crazy.

[Jamie]

And over, around your head. Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

Serious deal.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God. Your. Your core, your little. You don't realize, like, how weak that shit is in those weird movements. Something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why the kettlebells are the best things. Kettlebells. The. The clubs, the mace.

[Jamie]

Awkward stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Awkward. I love all that stuff. All the sandbag work. I'm still doing that every day since I was here last. I know it doesn't seem it, but I've lost, like, £20.

[Jamie]

Congratulations.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I got up to 300 again.

[Jamie]

Damn, dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Now I'm back down to 265. I know you can't see it, but I'm kind of jacked.

[Jamie]

Well, you're very thick.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm jacked. I'm jacked.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you're very, like. You're a bull.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, man, but I try.

[Jamie]

I'm trying to put the work in. It's just. But the problem is you also work with food.

[Joe Rogan]

Delicious food. Eating so much food.

[Jamie]

Did you? I did so much is a funny

[Joe Rogan]

way of saying I have.

[Jamie]

Not eating so much, by whose definition is so much?

[Joe Rogan]

I've. I've Cut it out a lot. Yeah. I'm trying to dial it in heavily. I'm trying to really dial it in. I need. This is. This is my life. It's all about being dialed in.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't let it go, because once I let it go, it's going.

[Jamie]

I hear you.

[Joe Rogan]

It's going.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's hard. Once you want to get that fucking. Those carbs. Once you get that pizza and that pasta rolling.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what? Once I stopped. I don't even fucking need that right now. I don't even crave it. That's not. I'm not really interested in that. A simple piece of toasted whole wheat bread does it for me. Just jam that. I don't need pizza. I've eaten enough pizza in my life for fucking 45 children. 45 children's lifetimes. Couldn't equate the amount of pizza I've eaten.

[Jamie]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

So, I mean, I feel like I've eaten enough of everything that I've needed to. Now it's time to just fuel. It's all about the fuel.

[Jamie]

You're dialing in.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm working out with, like, serious dudes, dudes that are, like, jacked out of control. And I'm the only one that's rounded.

[Jamie]

Do you have a chain, A trainer that you work?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. I just. I train with dudes who train every day and. Okay, one dude's a IFBB pro, and.

[Jamie]

Oh, bodybuilders.

[Joe Rogan]

Bodybuilders. But I'm trying to do a little bit of that. I introduce my stuff. You know, no one could really do the masons because that takes a long time to, like, perfect that work. And everyone's way too tight. Right. So I do that on my own. I do, like, three days of that with the kettlebells, and I do normal deadlift my knees a little. So I'm doing Searchers Search is my favorite squad. Anyway, searches are great. It's my favorite.

[Jamie]

It's really good for grappling and just for elevating your testosterone, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

It's known to be, like, one of the. It's definitely like a. It's a jiu jitsu, and it's. Every MMA fighter should be doing that.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's big for wrestlers. The ability to take people down and also stuff takedowns. The same sort of strength that.

[Joe Rogan]

That thrust. Yeah, it's phenomenal. It's my favorite squat.

[Jamie]

It's great. The Dutch shoulder stuff that you're doing, all that mace stuff, you must have, like, really Strong shoulders. Shoulders. Never fuck with you.

[Joe Rogan]

Not anymore. Because I healed myself with the on it motherfucking club.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, literally. John Wolf helped me. I would just hit him up like,

[Jamie]

yo, those things are great. It's great just because most of the time when you're lifting, you're just picking stuff up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

You know you're doing bench press with this. Like, you're swinging it over your head and you're pausing out in front, swinging it overhead.

[Joe Rogan]

Think about when you're doing Jiu jitsu. You get your hand, your arm put over there and you have that strength.

[Jamie]

It's never in, like, bench press.

[Joe Rogan]

Never. You're never, like, pushing perfectly. You're always in, like, weird.

[Jamie]

That's why yoga is really good for Jiu Jitsu.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been trying to do a little bit more of everything.

[Jamie]

Yoga. So good for you, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Pilates. Yoga.

[Jamie]

Pilates is surprisingly hard.

[Joe Rogan]

Was one of the hardest things I've ever done. She put the goddamn things on my ankles. I was laying on my back doing scissors. Don't tell anybody, but, yeah, I was next to my wife.

[Jamie]

Tighten up that man pussy, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

My man pussy was like, fucking that. It was like, rock solid. And I told you, I was like, yo, this hurts my asshole. Like, you're fucking literally making me work out a crazy muscle. And she's like, yep, yep. You feel it, right?

[Jamie]

You gotta go home with sore asshole. Ow. He's sitting on the bowl. Ow.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta wear the donut. You gotta sit on the cushion.

[Jamie]

No, remember those people used to have those at their house on the seat. We'd have that, like, cushiony.

[Joe Rogan]

On the toilet seat. Yeah, that one that we used to hit it.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Remember that one?

[Joe Rogan]

Pink. Grandma Pink. Oh, my God. I just remember the smell of old ass coming of a toilet. Like a grandma's ass or a grandfather's ass.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Old.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember my father's smell because it always. Yeah, he always would throw a cigarette in the toilet afterwards so it smell like a shitty cigarette.

[Jamie]

That was back in the day where everybody smoked in the house.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. We used to have a ring. He would sit, and there was a ring up there from the Rothman Blues.

[Jamie]

What's a Rothman Blue?

[Joe Rogan]

It was a cigarette. Yeah. English cigarette.

[Jamie]

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[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, purchase them at hospitals with

[Jamie]

the thing in bed when the guy's in bed.

[Joe Rogan]

Or you could buy them in like they would come around like a six year old kid would come around with the thing.

[Jamie]

Like a lady would come by with like a box of different kinds of cigarettes in it and the guy was like picking out cigarettes that he could have while he's in his hospital bed. She didn't find one of the pictures.

[Joe Rogan]

Those are the days I remember the pull machine was always my favorite. When I got sent to the store to go do this, do that.

[Jamie]

Yeah, look at this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh wow.

[Jamie]

This has to be an ad, right? Is it an ad?

[Joe Rogan]

That's the goal.

[Jamie]

Or maybe it's a newspaper photograph or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Was that Paul Mole?

[Jamie]

Another 1950s cigarettes are marketing as being good for you. Look at the nurse is lighting this guy's cigarette happily.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he doesn't look sick. His hair is done nicely.

[Jamie]

So when, when do people in America. We looked up this. Who figured out the first cigarette, didn't we?

[Jesse]

Is it the same guy, different nurse?

[Jamie]

Oh, this is all. I don't know, maybe it's just one guy. Had a freaky nurse.

[Joe Rogan]

Just reminds me of why, why is America so medicated? Why are we just so medicated on everything?

[Jamie]

And because it works.

[Joe Rogan]

Does it?

[Jamie]

I mean it doesn't do what you want it to do. But like as far as like mental medications, that works. There's a lot of stuff that Works, Sure. Prozac has a legitimate effect on people. They get accustomed to it. Good or bad Adderall? Depends on who. It depends on the dose. You know, it's like. If you want to say good or bad. I know a lot of people that are very successful that use Adderall. I don't necessarily know if it's bad. I think it depends on who you are, whether or not you can just use it when you need it, like, to write or something like that. I know journalists that use it. But if it's one of those things that you're addicted to, like benzodiazepine, you know, like Michael Jackson that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, no, that was the Michael Jackson one. No, that was the Latin.

[Jamie]

He. Well, he died from being sedated. He died from Propofol.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he was just. And then pumped with other stuff.

[Jamie]

I don't think he could sleep at night. I think he was just so mentally ill. That's fucked. That guy was too famous, man.

[Joe Rogan]

There's. There is.

[Jamie]

There is that level too famous?

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, it's deep.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And everyone on Earth knows who Michael Jackson is?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think there's anyone who doesn't know who Michael Jackson is. Even now. If you're born now, you know who he is.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I mean, he was so famous that even after all the sexual allegations, all of his music still played on the radio.

[Joe Rogan]

It was so good, no one gives a fuck.

[Jamie]

Seriously, it was so good.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the only one. No one cares. Right?

[Jamie]

Look, R. Kelly stuff, you barely hear it anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

And I'm not gonna say anything.

[Jamie]

Please don't.

[Joe Rogan]

I will not.

[Jamie]

Or do.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a disgrace. I mean, it's disgraceful. But his music was phenomenal. It was like. That changed motherfuckers, the whole vibe of R and B. Like, disgusting, unbelievable, nasty, disgraceful things, right?

[Jamie]

But if you separate the artist from

[Joe Rogan]

the art, and that's the fucking worst thing, you can't do that. You cannot say that. It comes as a whole package.

[Jamie]

But my question is, how many of those guys were like that way back in the day?

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean? Probably a large amount. You see the sickness. I don't understand why motherfuckers get a little bit of money and start doing weirdo shit. Like, I like to garden.

[Jamie]

Like, island.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Like, I like gardening. I like stone masonry. I like working out and cooking. Right?

[Jamie]

But why would. I'll tell you why.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm obviously not on that level, but I don't see my mentality changing so far off where I'm fucking going to the island, you know?

[Jamie]

No, it's never gonna happen, even if there was a new island. But the thing is, you made money by doing what you love. That's a very different kind of money. These people are just trying to make money. So when you're just trying to make money, it's all about experiences and items that you possess. So you want to buy your own island, you want a jet. What else you want? You want a Ferrari, you want a bunch of shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Things. Things.

[Jamie]

You want things and you keep getting more things. And you want to do things that you're not supposed to do. Like you want to eat an endangered species. There's like a restaurant in China. They'll serve you tiger. They'll serve you. They'll serve you gorilla. Like whatever. Whatever you want to eat. Endangered species.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I've seen.

[Jamie]

I don't know if this is true, but there was a story that was written about this place where you could go in China. And this is a story. See if you can find it. There's a story about, like. It's one of those things where it's like a gather. It's not like a restaurant, it's a gathering. It's a gathering that happens like once every year or something like that. And they go. And they would eat endangered species, I think I've seen. Which is crazy. Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Jamie]

That's a billionaire crazy person money thing. Like, we're gonna go eat a tiger. You know what I mean? It's like. Yeah, it's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine. I don't even like to hurt anything. I don't. Right.

[Jamie]

But that's because you're not that kind of a rich guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

You're a guy who made a bunch of money just by being himself. And that's a totally different enterprise than someone's just trying to make a bunch of money. The people that are just trying to make a bunch of money, they're never happy. You're never satisfied.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah, they are. I mean, I don't know where anybody comes from, but I live in two fucking bedroom apartment my entire life up until recently. Still might. I still do.

[Jamie]

Here it is. Crackdown on menu for China's. China's animal eaters from 2014 though. So they made a kind of rible.

[Joe Rogan]

It needed that. Look at those fucking striations that went. Oh, no wonder. Porcupine.

[Jamie]

They changed the law because of it.

[Jesse]

Well, to. I mean, I don't know if because of it, but that's why it's probably not talked about as much anymore.

[Jamie]

The diners of southern China have long had a reputation for exotic tastes, with locals sometimes boasting they will eat anything with four legs except a table. Lol. So pangolin. So pangolin's endangered, right? Is. Are they endangered? Wasn't that one of the things that they thought was the wet market, where

[Jesse]

on top it says they had endangered tortoises and snakes and porcupines in cages?

[Jamie]

And imagine you're so nasty you want to eat an endangered snake. Eating a snake alone is gross, but you're so nasty you want to. You want to eat an endangered snake.

[Joe Rogan]

I've had snake soup. I was in. I was in Japan and I had a good snake soup. It was smoked.

[Jamie]

Was it good?

[Joe Rogan]

It tasted like beef.

[Jamie]

Really.

[Joe Rogan]

It did. It was supposed to be, you know, make you fucking. Make you very versatile.

[Jamie]

Oh, versatile.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the word? Feral.

[Jamie]

Versatile as well, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It was a black snake, of course.

[Jamie]

Was it a poisonous thing, dad?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not sure, but there was a bunch. It was like, this was a Michelin star restaurant. Two Michelin star. And of course it was like French Japanese creations and fucking quite endangered, really. As endangered as I could get endangered. A little turtle. A little.

[Jamie]

But some turtles are not in danger.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, but I don't even like to do it. It's fucking. It turns me off. It turns.

[Jamie]

Dude, I used to have turtles as pets. I used to have turtles and at one point in time I had piranhas. Turtles are way more psychotic than piranhas. When I would feed my turtles, I'd feed my turtles goldfish. And they'd swim around and grab the goldfish and just bite him in half. It was crazy to watch.

[Joe Rogan]

They got those powerful jaw.

[Jamie]

And I'm looking at them like, of course, you're a little dinosaur. Just look at you. You look like a dinosaur. You have this crazy stegosaurus shell over your back and you're swimming through the water.

[Joe Rogan]

Some neck comes out like that.

[Jamie]

Dude, they were super aggressive. See if you can find videos of turtles up. Goldfish.

[Joe Rogan]

What about those big mothers with their hands like the big snappers? Big snapping turtles. Those are for like Bowser.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Have you ever seen one in real life?

[Joe Rogan]

I've. I've seen the big seat, like the big tortoise in Hawaii, but I've never seen a big snapping one.

[Jamie]

I saw like a medium one, not a real big one. But they look so freaky, their teeth or they're that beak thing, that mouth

[Joe Rogan]

jacked up Neck too.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Big, big, huge clamp down neck. What? There's one different type. What is that one really crazy looking snapping turtle. Is it a gar. Snapping turtle? I've never.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think it is. I just pulled up.

[Jesse]

I've never seen this one before.

[Jamie]

Whoa. What the.

[Jesse]

Is that a Mata Mata turtle.

[Jamie]

Whoa.

[Jesse]

What the kind of head is that? It's a triangle head.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

With a weird nose.

[Jamie]

That's. That's weird.

[Jesse]

I've never seen that.

[Jamie]

It's eating a goldfish too. There you go. Oh, he just swallows it whole. What a weird looking creature. If you told me yesterday that this didn't exist, I would have believed you. If you told me yesterday this is. AI.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the reasoning that a lot of these species go flat heads? Hmm.

[Jamie]

Good question.

[Jesse]

Mixing the bottom of the.

[Jamie]

Cause you've slipped right into the shell, I'm sure.

[Joe Rogan]

I guess so.

[Jamie]

I'm sure you fit better in the show.

[Joe Rogan]

Hammerhead and heads like that and stingrays and just turns flat. Flounder.

[Jamie]

Right. That's a weird one. Two eyeballs on one side.

[Joe Rogan]

What the is that?

[Jamie]

So this is a very timid turtle eating the goldfish. He's just the ones that I had. They swam after the goldfish and grabbed them.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this thing.

[Jamie]

Whoa. Alligator. Snapping turtle.

[Jesse]

Sit there with.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's the one. This one is the one that turns

[Jamie]

into fucking Donatello face on that tongue down there. Yeah. Oh. So its tongue looks like a goldfish.

[Jesse]

A little worm.

[Jamie]

So it tricks them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Come get some. Look. Oh, snap. Nature's so evil, it gave me allure in my mouth.

[Joe Rogan]

Nature has no mercy, man.

[Jamie]

Nope.

[Joe Rogan]

No mercy.

[Jamie]

No mercy.

[Jesse]

We were talking about smoking this. I saw this today. That UK has voted to ban anyone born after 2008 to be banned from smoking.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Jesse]

Hasn't passed. It has to. It's.

[Jamie]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm gonna light up a cigar, it says.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a crazy one.

[Jesse]

I thought it was kind of fake when I saw it, but I looked it up. It's on. It's. There's articles about it. It's a draft law, they say. Which doesn't mean it's an actual law yet.

[Jamie]

I think I'm opening up a fresh box for them. You. That's crazy. But that's just. We were talking about this yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

They love. They love having their fucking their thumb on you.

[Jamie]

It's government. It's like when they expand government. They got to give government something to do. So what do they do? They come up with more rules and regulations, and they come up with more people to enforce those rules and regulations, even if they don't make any sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Past this, past that. I got a fucking. Everyone has an idea. Every new politician has their ideas.

[Jamie]

And they all want to fucking control you. That's what they want to do more than anything. They want to control you. That's their favorite sport. Their favorite sport is telling you what to do.

[Joe Rogan]

I just had a beautiful dinner with our mayor of New York, Mamdani.

[Jamie]

How is he? Do you like him?

[Joe Rogan]

He's 34 years old. I've never thought that I'd be sitting at a table with a mayor who's younger than me and knows about fucking rap.

[Jamie]

And like, didn't he rap for a while?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't acknowledge that.

[Jamie]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but he's, you know, he's very nice guy. You know, he had a nice dinner that. I didn't speak politics. I'm not really one of those guys. We just talked shit.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

What the fuck do I know? I don't know shit.

[Jamie]

I don't know shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Jamie]

So the thing that I do, the most concerned is who's financing him. What is their agenda? What are they trying to get him to do? Because it's always money. It's always about money. People are discovering New York City, Mandani's.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's a crazy picture, right?

[Jamie]

He's rapping with an apron on. What's that about?

[Jesse]

Mr. Car.

[Jamie]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a wild one.

[Jamie]

Shame the guy for his mistakes of the past. Let's just, you know, he's just doing some wild stuff, like, with taxes and things. Like he's trying to tax these billionaires.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw that. What I'd like him to do. Yeah, sure. Why not? What I'd like him to do is fucking help alleviate. Thank you, senor.

[Jamie]

Profit for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Help alleviate taxes for people who are born and raised New Yorkers. I shouldn't have to pay for everyone else's, right? At least give me a little break.

[Jamie]

Not just that, but they should be responsible with where the tax dollars go. So before asking you for more taxes, clean up all the fraud.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

That's not a big request. That's like a pretty. Pretty simple thing to ask for. But nobody says that. All they ever say is, we need to tax you more.

[Joe Rogan]

This year was a mess. He came into office when it was a shitstorm of literal horrible weather and the fucking city was an honest garbage hole. It was a shit mess.

[Jamie]

It Got real bad with snow, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking seven feet high, piles of garbage. Like disgrace.

[Jamie]

Now why was that?

[Joe Rogan]

Because I don't know. I would say the union rep wasn't allowing the workers to fucking go and clean shit when they're at odds. I don't know. I'd like to get to the bottom of this.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I don't know either.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, when they're at odds, they're at odds.

[Jamie]

Well, so there was a union strike.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't allow. They don't allow any of the sanitation people to move a muscle unless their union rep says it's okay. You go and sit in the fucking truck and take a nap until we tell you to move. Right, that's me too.

[Jamie]

Listen, I'm with them because all the fraud that's existing in that city, all the waste that they've showed, that is one thing you should pay people for. Because the job sucks. Okay? And it's super necessary.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's the most close.

[Jamie]

Yeah, super, super necessary. You have to pick up the garbage. God damn it. Pay those people. I mean, are they asking for unreasonable amounts? When you find out how much money you spent on the homeless situation and never got better at all.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's.

[Jamie]

What are they getting? I bet they're getting paid more than the garbage people.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure, but they get good pension. Everyone works for a pension. Yeah, it's all for security. Pension. There's fucking dental. How many times are you going to do dental?

[Jamie]

Yeah, but you should also get paid if you're fucking. If you're moving garbage, you should get paid well, period. And for people to go, it's unskilled job. That's a back breaking job. You're slinging around bags all day and picking up cans and yanking on levers.

[Joe Rogan]

Far from unskilled.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you try and drive that truck, it's also dangerous. You're hanging off the back of the truck. Sometimes you're out there in the weather, it's hard. You could hurt your back. It's hard. It's a hard job. They should get paid well. And anybody doesn't think that is a cunt.

[Joe Rogan]

But definitely be paid well.

[Jamie]

That's the thing about this world. Everybody's greedy. They want it all for themselves.

[Jesse]

One thing they're doing, I just found online, they're adding these giant bins, which maybe is better than piles, but my

[Jamie]

boy, yeah, that'll definitely be better.

[Joe Rogan]

They're always adding these fucking bins.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but the problem with that goddamn

[Joe Rogan]

Eric Adams made you buy a hundred dollar garbage can for your house back in the day. From his cousin, the promise. This is what I was told from my. My man in Middle Village.

[Jamie]

How much?

[Joe Rogan]

Hundred dollars. My boy Connie gorgeous told me $100. You have to buy a fucking new garbage can for your house one way or another, no matter why. From Eric Adams cousin.

[Jamie]

Oh, really? Show that again, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

$100.

[Jamie]

So that actually makes more sense though, that they're doing this big? Cause that also probably the problem is if it does keep the rats out, then what are the rats gonna eat? Then you're gonna have a bigger rat problem. New York's got a fucking giant rat problem.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been seeing less lately.

[Jamie]

Cause they're hiding.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I've been seeing less. Well, it's about to be summertime, so they're gonna come out once again. If they pick the fucking garbage up, there'll be less rat. Yeah, but if they stop doing all the construction, I mean, that's what breeds these rats to come out for sure. You're digging these fucks up, you're disturbing their house.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but they rely on people to eat. The thing is this. It's a completely coexisting like the monkeys in the Philippines. It's an ecosystem. The rats and the people are an ecosystem because the rats eat human garbage and they live piled up around humans for a reason, so they could eat our garbage. And during the pandemic, it was a real fucking problem because no one was going to restaurants for a while. So the rats were everywhere. They're freaking out. They're eating each other. Rats do eat each other. I had a rat eat it, eat. Well, a bunch of rats ate a dead rat in my garage once. He died. Big fat rat too. He died. I heard the trap go off, but it was like 10 o' clock at night. I was like, fuck it, I'll deal with it in the morning. I got up in the morning, there was nothing left but his tail. There was like some skin. The feet and the tail. They ate his entire body.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Now there was a whole like garage full, like one of those, I don't know, like a storage space. But in the street, you just heard them. The gate would be knocking back and forth like they're having a goddamn underground fucking strike force in there.

[Jamie]

That's why when people get upset about coyotes. Listen, bro, I heard them recently. You need them, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

The fucking pack of coyotes howling and screaming during feeding.

[Jamie]

In New York City. Well, upstate, they do it in New York City. They find them in the Central Park.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like an hour and a Half away was really something.

[Jamie]

A lot of them up there. But you need them, otherwise you're gonna have rats everywhere. Like there's a balance to all this shit. Just don't leave your cat outside.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I saw a fucking owl like this outside really fucking. In the daytime.

[Jesse]

Let me reset this.

[Jamie]

What is this?

[Jesse]

Rats Hide. I think this was.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yes. My hiding your engine, bro. Rat ate my fucking boys. BMW engine, all the wiring.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God. They chewed up all the. The insulation. Oh, well, that's just. That's not dead rats, right? What is that?

[Jesse]

Not alive ones.

[Jamie]

Isn't that the stuff, though? I think that's the stuff of the ceiling.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

I think.

[Jamie]

I think it's the insulation above the roof of the.

[Jesse]

All right.

[Jamie]

Above the engine. It's just. They nested in this guy's place.

[Jesse]

Yeah. This says that the. The trash bins are going to get rid of a lot of the.

[Joe Rogan]

How the fuck is.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but you're not gonna lower. Thing is, didn't we figure out that the number of rats in New York City is still pretty similar to the number of people?

[Joe Rogan]

I would. I would probably say it out. It outdoes it.

[Jamie]

How could you.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just so small. They.

[Jamie]

They don't really know. But someone had told me that the biomass of rats was the same as the biomass of people in New York City. Meaning the weight. But we looked that up and that doesn't seem to be true.

[Joe Rogan]

But if it's true that it's much. It takes much more to make up one human being, so there's going to be 10 times more.

[Jamie]

Sometimes people read things, write things down and it's just not accurate because, like, there are a lot of cases where small things have a crazy biomass. Like I think the biomass of ants is similar to the biomass of human beings on Earth.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie]

Find out if that's true. Put that into perplexity.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever see the ants that have that little honey butt? They have a little ball of honey on their ass.

[Jamie]

Oh, I have seen that. What's that for?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a taste.

[Jamie]

Come get some.

[Joe Rogan]

Be delicious.

[Jamie]

Come get some.

[Joe Rogan]

Give me that fucking ass.

[Jamie]

Imagine if ladies started having that. That's the new thing. Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

I'd eat so much ass.

[Jamie]

No nose ring. Now they just have a honey pot on their ass.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. That's how you capture me.

[Jamie]

Look at this. Oh. Ants on Earth together have about 20% of the biomass of all humans when measured as dry carbon mass. Okay, what about insects in general? Maybe that's where they up do insect. What is the biomass of all insects compared to the biomass of people?

[Joe Rogan]

What are you typing this in? What is this?

[Jamie]

Our lovely AI sponsor, Perplexity.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, beautiful.

[Jamie]

Yeah. On a global scale, total biomass of all insects is several times larger than human biomass. Wow. Fuck that.

[Joe Rogan]

We're just Smithsonian bugs. I love fucking bugs.

[Jamie]

Do you?

[Joe Rogan]

I love bugs.

[Jamie]

We're lucky they're little.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. You're right. This is a real. Like, there's a generous amount of species up where I'm at, and I really enjoy them recently. You can't be upset at them because if the area was unhealthy, they wouldn't be there.

[Jamie]

Well, you're in upstate. Yeah, upstate's beautiful. But check yourself for ticks.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I do all the time.

[Jamie]

Upstate's a lot of lime.

[Joe Rogan]

He got bit by a tick recently. He caught it three days later. He already had it, but he's good now.

[Jamie]

Did he go and immediately get the antibiotics? That's what you got to do when you get that Lyme disease. You got to get it.

[Joe Rogan]

Where do you think they usually capture you? Like around the crevasses?

[Jamie]

Yeah. Like your legs, your ankles, climb up on your pants.

[Joe Rogan]

But as long as they don't go up in the fucking Netherlands. Yeah, the nether region.

[Jamie]

That would suck. But I think it's a systemic issue more than it is the initial bite. The bite, though, to know that if you got Lyme disease a couple days after the infection starts getting like a bullseye around it, and that, to a lot of people, is that's the big sign that you've got Lyme disease. But sometimes when they get to the doctor, that circle's gone and the doctor doesn't believe him. I've had this happen to a friend of mine who's very smart guy, and him and his son both got Lyme disease, and he couldn't get the fucking doctor to believe that it was Lyme disease until his kids started getting. What's that mouth thing? Guillain Barr. How do you say that? Julian Gulian Barr syndrome, When it was seat like your fate, half your face gets paralyzed.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Bell's palsy.

[Jamie]

Right. But there's a name for it. I think it's Guillain Barr is very similar, because I knew a guy who had that, and it was the same thing, and he was diagnosed with Guillain Barr.

[Joe Rogan]

Does it go back or.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he went back. Dice Clay had it for a while.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie]

Yeah. Dice Clay had half of his face, and he was going on stage with it. He didn't give a Guillen bar syndrome, facial weakness or paralysis with dice. He talked about it. He brought it up. It was pretty obvious.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying. He was just talking.

[Jamie]

It was pretty obvious. Like half his face, it was crazy. Half his face just wouldn't move, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Not good. Happens, man. You got to just deal with things as they come. You can't really. Like, who the fuck knows what this world is about?

[Jamie]

And why be careful of ticks? Yeah, because those bitches, they're trying to get you and those little fuckers. A large percentage of them on the east coast carry lyme disease.

[Joe Rogan]

For sure. For sure. Yeah. Disease. Little pricks. I spray myself with a nice geranium spray.

[Jamie]

Geranium?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's an elixir. There's like a natural lavender, geranium oil. All kinds of shit that you spray on yourself that repels.

[Jamie]

Are you sure that doesn't make them want to bite you more?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, it repels for sure. It brings other things, but it takes those guys away.

[Jamie]

It brings in ankle bracelets.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro, I got ankle bracelets and fucking. And Brahma bull nose ring. Yeah. When I was in Mexico City, I was dressed. I had. I bought a fucking jade. Like Yade. It's from over there. Brought a jade necklace that was a little bit too tight, so it looked like a choker, like a dog. And my boy told me I looked like I had my nipple pierced. In the picture that I showed, you

[Jamie]

looked like a bear.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I looked like a fucking bear. I had circular glasses, a scruff. You could see a little bit of this scruff. Two. Two chokers.

[Jamie]

Ooh.

[Joe Rogan]

This is what I'm saying. You act different on vacation. Two had a fucking amber choker and a jade choker.

[Jamie]

You would be killing it in the bear community. If you ever want to switch teams, you would dominate the bail. The bear community. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Just do it for fun. Like it. We'll some guys up. What's up?

[Jamie]

What were we just asking? What was the question? You didn't. I thought. I thought I had a question.

[Joe Rogan]

I forgot you got all off track with that comment.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's bear Talk.

[Joe Rogan]

Bear Talk 101.

[Jamie]

What were we just talking about before that, though?

[Joe Rogan]

Bugs.

[Jesse]

Right?

[Jamie]

Bugs. Ticks, Lyme disease. There's another one that's out now. There's another disease that's out that people are getting called alpha gal. And it's from a tick called the lone star tick. And it makes you allergic to red meat. That's what that one. You cannot get my friend.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's fucked up. I don't.

[Jamie]

For you.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie]

That would ruin everything.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're like so many fucking bone in filets. It's been crazy.

[Jamie]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

I need those gains. There's no other gains like that, right? Bison. I've been eating a lot of like gains things.

[Jamie]

I guess my diet is the best for that.

[Joe Rogan]

Sweet potatoes and game.

[Jamie]

There you go. Sweet potatoes. Phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

That's that, that's what I. I exchanged the pasta for the sweet potato.

[Jamie]

You. Do you eat rice?

[Joe Rogan]

A little bit? A touch, a touch.

[Jamie]

I hear conflicting, conflicting things.

[Joe Rogan]

I like it white rice.

[Jamie]

There's a lot of things that I eat that I like. I just eat them because I like it. Like when I'm eating spaghetti, I'm under no illusion.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no. You know what you're eating.

[Jamie]

I know what I'm doing. I'm not under an illusion.

[Joe Rogan]

You like a good pasta.

[Jamie]

I know that I do.

[Joe Rogan]

Evan Funk pasta, right?

[Jamie]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I know you like a good Evan Funko.

[Jamie]

That dude. That dude can cook.

[Joe Rogan]

I had him. I had him on my show early on, like before all his like his. His success and just kicked it off. I loved his. He's a true man.

[Jamie]

And he. When you care. Like aficionado.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like there's another guy. Stefan Sec in New York. Oh my God. Stefano said she's another sicko. Make amazing Matarano. You know, it's all about the wooden dowel. That's how they make the pasta. It's all old style. Nothing extruded. All with the thing.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah. Evan's places. You could watch them make the pasta. You know, like mother. He's got mother wolf. He's got funk. Is it funky or funk? How do you. How do you pronounce that?

[Joe Rogan]

I have no idea. I call him Funk. It's like Terry Funk, right?

[Jamie]

Probably Funk.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought he was Terry Funk's cousin.

[Jamie]

They're making tortellini here.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's. That, that's. That's Stefano.

[Jamie]

Oh my God. Look how good that looks.

[Joe Rogan]

This man right here. When I went to Osteria Francescana in Modena, you know, I love how you said that. Massimo Batura's place. It was like the number one restaurant for many years. He was the chef there that was making all the food. He was like a young man. And then when he opened his restaurant rest door in New York, it was like he takes such good care of my mother as well. Like yo, he. They. They just go above and beyond.

[Jamie]

He's a beautiful guy. This is art. Like the way he's making this food. This is art. This is a work of art. He's performing art.

[Joe Rogan]

Who'd I have? I had Devin Haney in the kitchen with me making pasta with him.

[Jamie]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

It was crazy. You know, I like to bring these guys in and do weird things.

[Jamie]

That's crazy. That's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Devin Haney making pasta, bro. Yuri, bro.

[Jamie]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy fuck.

[Jamie]

That was crazy. Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

What an animal. Well, I mean, how ridiculous that was. So it's like it's.

[Jamie]

You kind of gotta look at it happen, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Like, oh shit. Yeah.

[Jamie]

You gotta look at it two ways. One, you gotta look at it from Yuri's perspective. Like he had it there. The fight was over. The guy was hurt and it. But you also look at from Carlos's perspective. Carlos Olberg is hurt. He can't move his right leg. They're probably going to stop it in between rounds. And Yuri, he can't move. So Yuri's just pot shotting him. And he's kicking his one good leg. He's kicking his one good leg and then boom. He clips him with a left hook.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean with the one punch that he's known for. Not just that step back hook.

[Jamie]

The one punch that you can throw if your right leg is hurt. A check hook.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Jamie]

Because when you. The check hook is one of the. Like Alexander Volkanovsky actually did a really good breakdown of this on YouTube. But what he was talking about as the check hook, you put all the weight on the front leg a lot because as the person's coming a lot of the weight as uncorked. The punch is on that front leg. And Olberg's, that's a snake. Like the way he throws that left hook is so fast.

[Joe Rogan]

It's perfect.

[Jamie]

And he. It was the perfect punch.

[Joe Rogan]

He threw one just to get the. Just to get the distance on the first one and then clipped him again.

[Jamie]

Perfect.

[Joe Rogan]

But Yuri, man. So Yuri said it looked like I watched. I know you were watching as well, watching in real time. But it just looked like he got upset that he hurt his knee and he was like, fuck, fuck.

[Jamie]

He clearly did get upset. I really do think that he got upset. I do think that's true.

[Joe Rogan]

But it makes no difference on it doesn't matter.

[Jamie]

Carlos got him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Carlos.

[Jamie]

Carlos got him. He fucked up.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a clean win.

[Jamie]

But that's part. Yeah, it's part of fighting. Like you have to be ruthless. Like Khalil Rountree is one of the nicest guys you're ever gonna meet. When he fought Modestas Bukakis, he side kicked his knee sideways.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuts.

[Jamie]

And Khalil is, like the nicest guys alive. But I remember earlier, he's trying to do it to you, you're trying to do it to him. And if his leg gets blown out, you have to take advantage of it. Cause he would take advantage of it on you.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been watching for a long time. I've been watching Khalil for a long time. Since the beginning. I remember the change when he went to Thailand, right? There was this change. He came back from Thailand, and that's what he did. That was his first fight.

[Jamie]

When he was fucking the first fight, he looked. Eric Anders.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And he looked totally different.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Me and DC were like, what happened?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

Cause he was always good with the front leg.

[Joe Rogan]

And just like all types of women,

[Jamie]

he was super sharp. He was super sharp.

[Joe Rogan]

That was nuts.

[Jamie]

Yeah. So that's it. So horrible. So horrible to watch, man. Oh, my God. Just perfect sidekick to the knee. Just blew his shit apart. That guy was out for over a year.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, that's one of the gnarliest.

[Jamie]

Oh, it's so nasty when you see it sideways. Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

Because it started at the thigh.

[Jamie]

I don't want to see it. Jamie. Stop, stop, stop, stop.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, bro. It started.

[Jamie]

Show me some. Khalil Rouchie versus Eric Anders. So Eric Anders is one of the toughest human beings to ever live for sure. Because he was getting lit up. His legs were getting destroyed, and he never even flinched. He never even made an owl face. It was never like, there's nothing. He just dead stoic the entire time. And then I asked him afterwards, oh, fuck. Yeah, that shit hurt.

[Joe Rogan]

But guys like Eric Anders, he's been in. He's been in UFC for 10 years.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Decent career, super smart guy. But he, you know, invested his money, bought a bunch of houses.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Jamie]

Very clever.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's great.

[Jamie]

Very smart. Yeah, he's great. He's smart.

[Joe Rogan]

That's good to know.

[Jamie]

Yeah. He's playing, and he's just a cool dude to talk to. But when Khalil came, look, like we were looking at him, he's like. He's moving like a tie. Like the hand movements, everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he came back totally different.

[Jamie]

That light front foot, y, it was, like, full on Muay Thai. And Khil's always been super fast. Like, one of his strengths is that he can hit guys before they even calculate. Like, his speed when he's, like, really going after you, like, in the Jamal Hill fight, he's got speed that confuses guys because they're like, oh. Like, you got to recalibrate because this guy moves faster than any of the middleweights.

[Joe Rogan]

Nasty.

[Jamie]

And he's a lighthouse.

[Joe Rogan]

Just nasty. Like, just.

[Jamie]

He's like. Well, I should say any middleweight, but he moves like a middleweight. That's what I should say. He's got, like, middleweight speed, but a light heavyweight frame. And he just started lighting them up with, like, pure Thai technique. And this was the perfect kind of showcase for him, because Eric's not, like, a big wrestler.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

A brawler. Oh, yeah. And with a guy like Khalil, especially since Eric fights southpaw, so when you fight southpaw and Khalil fights southpaw, it really opens up that left leg to get attacked, or the right leg. Excuse me, to get attacked, because your power leg is behind you. Whereas you're fighting normal people that are orthodox. It's usually you have to kick them with an inside kick if you're a southpaw. But southpaw to southpaw, like this. Khalil just can light that leg on fire already. Oh, it was. It was, but it was the sound it was making. Like, when we were there, this was.

[Joe Rogan]

This was memorably different.

[Jamie]

Well, he had just gotten really tuned in, man. When he was in Thailand, he got really tuned in, particularly. Oh, you already got it in the second round. It was particularly the first round before this.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Which made him go there, which made him go to Thailand.

[Jamie]

Johnny Walker.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

So Johnny Walker clipped him with an elbow from the clinch. He hit him with a tie and KO'd him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

Back when Johnny Walker was, like, very explosive, and Johnny Walker was very wild. He fought wild. He fights more calculated now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. After. I mean, I feel like after the worm. It was a rap. After he hurt himself.

[Jamie]

Oh, that worm thing was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, the shoulder is one of the worst things to hurt and then get surgery. Never comes back.

[Jesse]

Right.

[Jamie]

He blew it apart, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Doing the.

[Jamie]

It was just doing the worms. Yeah. Being just, you know, having a good time. I think that was. Was that Misha Squarov. I don't know who he fought during that fight, but it was. He fought a good guy. And it's like Johnny Walker, when he was winning in the early days of his fights in the ufc, he was just. Yeah, it's circan off, right? Yeah, yeah. Like that. Kind of like these flying elbows, like, wild, reckless. But he got KO'd a few times by some really technical people, and then he Tried to be. Oh, yeah, yeah, right there. Like he, his elbow, his shoulder up.

[Joe Rogan]

I've jumped on the bed like that and hurt my arm. You know when you jump on the bed.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he blew like that and like immediately blew his shoulder out.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, gosh. So silly. Horrible. Look at him. Looks like you can KO himself.

[Jamie]

Oh, you can see it pop out.

[Joe Rogan]

Terrible, bro. Yeah, terrible. Some people just shoot themselves in the dick.

[Jamie]

I know they do. Yeah, there's a lot of people that do. A lot of people ruin their, their life for no reason. They can't help it.

[Joe Rogan]

I go through life trying not to shoot myself in the dick.

[Jamie]

Yeah, me too.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie]

It's like one of my cardinal rules.

[Joe Rogan]

Cardinal.

[Jamie]

I think everybody should abide by that. Don't shoot yourself in the dick if you can avoid it.

[Joe Rogan]

If you can avoid it. If not.

[Jesse]

Hey, guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you, sir.

[Jamie]

You're welcome. But you know, fighters are wild people. They're doing a wild thing. Like, it's part of what makes them great is that they take these crazy chances. They're just nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

What am I, silly?

[Jamie]

Oh, you lift the top.

[Joe Rogan]

Where?

[Jamie]

The top top. It flips back. There you go. And then push that button up. There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm used to a torch right here. I'm excited for this.

[Jamie]

The Yuri thing was like. Sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no.

[Jamie]

I was gonna say, but the Yuri thing was like, I understand his perspective, you know, that he did up and he could have attacked and been smarter, but you can't, you can't have that excuse. He really was upset. You could tell he was upset right when Carlos Solberg's knee blew out. But here's the thing that impressed me the most.

[Joe Rogan]

He's upset at him for blowing his knee out. What are you gonna do?

[Jamie]

Well, he was upset at the moment, right? He wanted it to be a clean victory, right. But Carlos wasn't upset. That was what I was most impressed with. That guy never lost composure. He tried a switch kick, a jumping switch kick to the head to see if it worked and his leg fell out again and he fell down again and scrambled. But he never lost composure. He never showed anxiety in his face. Just a stone cold killer looking for his moment. And he found it. Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Ckb, guys.

[Jamie]

That's a world champion. That's a world champion. I mean, that's, that's how you really become a world champion. You have a blown out knee and you find a way to KO a guy who's this wild, aggressive, awkward dude, you know, and he's coming after you. You got a blown out Knee, and you just bank perfect left hook.

[Joe Rogan]

Those guys from. From the South Pacific are a different breed.

[Jamie]

Well, you know, he certainly is. I mean, he's just a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Just mentality.

[Jamie]

I mean, camp.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying. The camp is unheard of.

[Jamie]

Yeah, the camp is phenomenal. Eugene Bearman, the guy who's the head coach, super fucking smart dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I went down there, 2018, I went down there and I saw Izzy before the Brunson fight, and it was like, in the old ckb, and I had them come through, and Eugene came out. I was DJing in New Zealand for an evening, my friend's restaurant, and I had him come.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was dope.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's cool. You were DJing at a restaurant.

[Joe Rogan]

I was DJing. You know, I play all kinds of fucking weird, like,'70s funk, African music, Brazilian music. I just happened to be down there, and everyone came through. It was a good time.

[Jamie]

Oh, here's something that people are saying is real. That's not that I found out today. Everyone's saying that Khamzat Chimaev and Gordon Ryan are gonna wrestle. It's not true.

[Joe Rogan]

Raf. Yeah, I like Raf.

[Jamie]

I like Raf, too.

[Joe Rogan]

I like this. It's like something new and exciting.

[Jamie]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't particularly love this, the action. I like wrestling, but it's not as exciting as the. Like, the entirety of the event. You understand, right? Like, the press conference, the people involved, the actual moves. I prefer fighting and just like, a different type of, like, combat. But it still gets me going. I enjoy it a lot.

[Jamie]

Look, it's the most important skill in mma.

[Joe Rogan]

The most important skill. But I like when you mix it. I don't like it singularly, more than anything else.

[Jamie]

I understand. But the reality is, in order to be at an elite level, you have to do it by itself. I think, for the most part, George St. Pierre might be an example of a guy who violates that law. Because George didn't really wrestle in college or high school. He learned how to wrestle from a bunch of Russian nationals in Montreal.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that works. Also, if you didn't start wrestling when you're 5 years old, that's the other way to do it. 2, 3 years Dagestan. That's it, right?

[Jamie]

2, 3 years Dagestan. Forget it and forget.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I'm excited. I'm excited for Khamzad and Sean Strickland, because I'm. It'll be in Newark. I'm gonna be there. Yeah, I'll be there. I'll be right there.

[Jamie]

I'll be there, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you'll be there. The White House thing I'm excited for, too. I want to ask to go, but I don't know if it's just a lot. Seems like a lot of fucking hoopla. I might just watch it on tv.

[Jamie]

I would watch that on TV if I wasn't working there. I think the Strickland and Khamzat fight is going to be very interesting. Strickland is not an easy guy to take down, and he's not an easy guy to hold down. And he's a very difficult guy to hit on his feet. He's got a super awkward style. His style is very clever. It's very different. It's not something that's easy to replicate as far as timing. It reminds me of Beehive a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. He reminds me of, like, bhop, but just a little bit more not sloppy, just a little bit more loose. Loose and wild.

[Jamie]

Yeah, loose and wild. And then also it's because he has other options, right? It's because he's kicking. It's because he's taking you down his teeth off his front legs. Phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

Good straight punches, man. Just good, hard, straight punches.

[Jamie]

His fucking jab is so accurate.

[Jesse]

You.

[Jamie]

You know, people think of a jab as like. Like, you know, it's not that big a deal. That guy thumps you in the face with a jab three, four times, you're kind of. Your nose is broken for sure. Bleeding, or at least bleeding.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's three kinds of jabs. There's the soft one, then there's that step in, there's a hard jab, you know, like. Yeah, throws them all.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that guy, Azma Mazer Khanov.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

He. He just lost Apollo co. But that guy has one of the most evil jabs. He, like, steps forward and he jab hooks at you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he turns that.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's almost like a hook.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And he knocked out. What is his name? Rocket. He knocked out Rockic with that one punch. Stepped in with a jab.

[Joe Rogan]

Rocket's chin went.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A couple fights ago, but, you know, Rockets is a.

[Jamie]

He's been in some wars.

[Joe Rogan]

He's been in war, but he's now.

[Jamie]

It was a good fight until that moment. But Mazar Khanov, I was so impressed that he just wouldn't abandon that strategy of going after Paulo Costa.

[Joe Rogan]

He's. I mean, Paula looked good. He looked fucking phenomenal.

[Jamie]

At this weight, I would say, dude, never go back to middleweight. You are A fucking light heavyweight champion.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, 100%.

[Jamie]

He's a light heavyweight champion.

[Joe Rogan]

One million percent.

[Jamie]

And while this guy, while Carlos Oldberg is going to be out for a year because he's going to have to get ACL reconstruction. Could be the interim Light heavyweight champion, like, no doubt, man. I really think he could pull that off.

[Joe Rogan]

Off.

[Jamie]

Dude, at light heavyweight, he's terrifying.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy to go to the holocaust of old when he was.

[Jamie]

When he was destroying people on his way up to the ranks, man, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Like to see him go from there and then to like have those little hiccups and like that. And it almost seemed like he was a joke at one point when Izzy humped him, made. It just made him look so less than as a human being when he's really just.

[Jamie]

Izzy mind fucked him now.

[Joe Rogan]

He fucking. Yeah, he fucked him over for a couple years, right?

[Jamie]

For a couple years. That's how crazy that fight was.

[Joe Rogan]

He just cut. He's just coming back now. The Luke Rockhold I think helped him. But even Luke almost knocked him out.

[Jamie]

Bro, that was a great fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Why you put that in Utah? Wasn't it in Utah?

[Jamie]

High altitude. Yeah, good point. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If that was somewhere else, I don't know.

[Jamie]

Well, it was a great fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Jamie]

And that was like Luke's like last really great performance where he still looked like a world caliber fighter for sure. But I think Khamzat against Azmat was the best. Hamza, excuse me. When I think Paulo. Paulo Costa against Azimat was the best. Paulo Costa, I've seen a long time. I mean, he looked better because he looked physically stronger. Like being at light heavyweight didn't at all look like a stretch. In fact, it looked like a better place for him. Like when I was listening to the sound of his punches and his kicks, it was even harder than before. He didn't look fat at all. He looked like a perfect light heavyweight. Like I think he's probably at least at this stage in his life because I think Paulo's like 34 now.

[Joe Rogan]

He has to be.

[Jamie]

It would be way better for him to compete at light heavyweight.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's a lot of people prime, right?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

At light heavyweight, 34 is almost prime.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Like at light heavyweight that's a great age.

[Jamie]

Sure. Well, that was like when Izzy was on top of. He was around 34. Jon Jones was a little younger. Well, Jon Jones was youngest champion in history. That's a different guy. But like when you look at Paulo Costa's performances. And then you look at this last one, you're like that might be the best Paulo Costa of all time. He looked phenomenal. And he ate some big shots from Azimut and just didn't even flinch. Didn't even flinch.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't even imagine how that man cuts to 185. It's truly unbelievable that muscle mass that goes away during that. It's just. It's like we can him fully deplete your body.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think him at 205 is really the way to go because I guarantee you he's probably walking around at about like 2:30 or something.

[Joe Rogan]

He looks be a good fucking heavyweight too. He throw him up there.

[Jamie]

He said if Derm Lewis falls out of the White House card he'll step in and fight at heavyweight.

[Joe Rogan]

Well it makes sense to fight Josh Hokut at that way because they're both similar body types. I'm not similar. He's a lot more. How dare you.

[Jamie]

How dare you.

[Joe Rogan]

Excuse me? I was. I meant weight wise. They're both around 240 but they look a lot different.

[Jamie]

A lot. I don't know if hog is ready for that yet. That's crazy. Unless he could take Paulo down, he's going to get. That's a fun.

[Joe Rogan]

It's fun.

[Jamie]

He sees it'll be fun. Cuz he'll go after him.

[Joe Rogan]

He's giving. He's.

[Jamie]

Curtis Blades is very different than Paulo Costa when it comes to striking. Paulo Costa is terrifying.

[Joe Rogan]

But I've also shook. I've sh. How do you say Shooken?

[Jamie]

Shake his hand.

[Joe Rogan]

I shook Curtis Blade's hand.

[Jamie]

Oh, the giant.

[Joe Rogan]

It's fucking four times the size of a normal hand.

[Jamie]

Oh yeah. Cursed Blades.

[Joe Rogan]

To be punched by that hand that many times and to not go down is pretty impressive.

[Jamie]

Well, also impressive for Curtis. Curtis had a blown out eye socket, a broken nose.

[Joe Rogan]

Curtis is the man. I love Curtis, he's a good dude.

[Jamie]

Incredible heart. Incredible heart. He just did not. After all that shit that Josh Hoka talked. He did not want to lose that man. He. He gave everything he had. There was not a moment of quit in that fight for Curtis.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he could have scored it for him if you wanted.

[Jamie]

Well, I don't think so.

[Joe Rogan]

But you could.

[Jamie]

I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think that would be reasonable. But he certainly gave things reasonable. Yeah, but that's not fair.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right, it's egregious.

[Jamie]

It could be he might have won around but the The. The most important thing is, like, that guy, he gave it what he had. He gave it. He could be proud. He. He could be proud. That guy. There's not. There's no question at all. That guy left nothing. There was nothing left in the tank at the end of that third round, you know, and that's all you could ever ask.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a beautiful fight to watch, especially from heavyweights, man.

[Jamie]

But it makes me sad, too, because I'm like, boy, you can only do a few of those.

[Joe Rogan]

That's probably the last one.

[Jamie]

I mean, I always go back to that, of.

[Joe Rogan]

That.

[Jamie]

The Cain, Velasquez, junior, Dos Santos ones.

[Joe Rogan]

Nasty nasties.

[Jamie]

Those were so hard to watch, man. It's nasty stuff because Kane just didn't get tired being in there with a guy like Kane who didn't get tired. You're constantly getting punched in the face constantly, and it's just nothing but heart. Keeps you there until the fifth round.

[Joe Rogan]

Kane, man, I just want to shake Kane's hand, give him a hug.

[Jamie]

He's out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I know.

[Jamie]

We were trying to get him on the podcast before he went in, but the judge wouldn't allow it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie]

Yeah. I definitely have him on now, though. I love Kane. He's in my top. I don't think there's a goat, a real goat, in heavyweight, because I think there's times where one guy would have beaten all the other guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course, everyone had. They had different moments, though.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he's in the goat category for sure. There's a good. I would say in heavyweight, there's a goat category. You got to put Stipe in there because he defended the heavyweight title more than anybody he beat in Ghana, when in Ghana, was in his prime and got rocked a bunch of times.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a crazy fight, too.

[Jamie]

Crazy fight. Crazy fight, fight. Crazy fight. So you got to give it to him. He's. He's always going to be in the goat category. Kane, Fedor, of course. Fedor is like the real connoisseur. The real connoisseur. MMA heads, they're like, fedor is the goat.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the one.

[Jamie]

I always say everybody forgets about Fabricio Verdum because Fabricio Verdum tap came Velasquez, Minotauro, Nogueira, and Fedor, and he tapped Fedor when Fedor was Fedora. Like, everybody looks at a guy like when he lost a bunch of fights or they didn't go so well for him. And later in his career, he's in his late 30s. When you look at Fabricio Verdum in his prime, he's in that range, man. He beat Cain Velasquez, he beat Mark Hunt with a flying knee to win the title.

[Joe Rogan]

He has that resume. I mean, bro, at that time. Those are heavy hitters, bro.

[Jamie]

I mean, he beat the best of the best. He beat them all. And he tapped three of the all time greats. Those are Minotauro for sure, when he was in pride. He's in goat category. But then you got to give it a more like Fedor's a notch above him because Fedor beat him and beat him with ground and pound. But then the other guys are Kane and you know, you always got to think Kane. Prime Kane against anybody ever, man, who knows? Prime Kane was just an unstoppable tornado of punches and takedowns and no, no, no tired, no fatigue. It's not coming. Like you think he's gonna get tired. He's never gonna get tired. He's gonna keep punching you in the face. Top tier wrestling. And Fabricio tapped him too.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's Mexican.

[Jamie]

Yeah, right, he's Mexican. A lot of Mexicans have great cardio, man.

[Joe Rogan]

They have great cardio and unbelievable heart and chin.

[Jamie]

I wonder if it's from high altitude genetics, you know, like you were saying,

[Joe Rogan]

like warriors is warrior genetics, right? It's 100.

[Jamie]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

Volkanowski has the same thing. Just from a different type of.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

A different type of indigenous tribe, you know? Yeah, the Macedonians and the, the crazy, the, the. The up in the mountain people, right, that are five, six, with hands like Marab. Oh my God.

[Jamie]

Warrior genetics.

[Joe Rogan]

100%. Yeah, that dude, I've never. A lot of these athletes, if they had. It's like if they had a little size, they'd be playing any professional sport, right? You know?

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Especially if you have the mental toughness to reach championship level.

[Joe Rogan]

But I've also seen a lot of fighters can't throw a fucking baseball. Like a lot of fighters. They can't do anything else. Like, I grew up playing baseball. I could play every single sport because of the dexterity baseball showed me. I feel like baseball and basketball are the main sports to show the child early to create dexterity.

[Jamie]

That's a good sport for competitive drive too.

[Joe Rogan]

And gymnastics. I've heard Khabib say that you keep your child in gymnastics till they're 10. Then they could do martial arts. I'm following father's plan.

[Jamie]

Well, that's actually very smart because then you develop like crazy body control.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my fucking shredded six Years old. Shredded already, bro. Right?

[Jamie]

From gymnastics.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never had an ab, not even as a child. I've always had a fucking. A little bubba. I've always been a little Bubba.

[Jamie]

Hey, man, it's part of your charm.

[Joe Rogan]

It is. It is part of my. If I was shredded, I wouldn't be as likable.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you think so?

[Joe Rogan]

Let's find out. Let's find out because I'll be fucking shirtless everywhere. Posing. They might not like that. Try this one.

[Jamie]

Yeah, sliders died out on me. Oh, I buy them new and they still die out quick.

[Joe Rogan]

Gotta get you a torch.

[Jamie]

This is a dad.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like a mini. That's like a little me. Gotta get you to like a mini welder. The mini welding one works well underwater welding torches for the cigars.

[Jamie]

So this Hamza and Strickland thing it. To me, it's going to be, what. What can Hamza do on the feet? Can he clip him and can Strickland stop the takedown?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't even like. It's so hard to even think anybody could stop Khamzad right now at anything.

[Jamie]

It's true.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like you not even gonna get to throw hands with him. He's just gonna be smiling, laughing. You think he's gonna fucking take you down and manhandle you like no one's ever been manhandled before.

[Jamie]

His timing and his takedowns is fucking insane.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. It's so good watching the training, the speed, and he's. It's equivalent to like Allen Iverson doing a crossover. He's doing it with that type of like, flair.

[Jamie]

If I was going to make an argument against it, I would say he's handling guys that don't have a big background in elite wrestling. They're not like elite grapplers. The guy that he fought, that was an elite grappler. Gave him problems. No, Gilbert Burns, for sure. But that was.

[Joe Rogan]

Burns fucked him up.

[Jamie]

He did. But that was like more stand up him up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But Gilbert Burns, if he took him

[Jamie]

down, like, Gilbert can get back up to his dreams.

[Joe Rogan]

He's one of the most elite players on the floor, right?

[Jamie]

Yes. Especially back then. You know, Gilbert just retired.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I know.

[Jamie]

Congratulations, Gilbert.

[Joe Rogan]

Tremendous career.

[Jamie]

Tremendous. But he. They were. They were banging it out. And Hamza fought a completely different kind of fight. He tried to like, slug it out. And I think his ego got in the way because Gilbert clipped him a couple times, rocked him. Gilbert was a wild boy.

[Joe Rogan]

I was screaming during that one.

[Jamie]

He in his prime Gilbert was so game. He was so gay and so dangerous, man, he knocks people out. So I was gonna say Kamaru, Kamaru Usman. And that was a short notice fight that Kamaru took at 185. And in the third round, Kamaru was winning. I was like, this would have been very interesting if it was a five round fight.

[Joe Rogan]

100%, I feel like, I mean it's hard to predict, but Kamaru had the. He had the momentum 1 million percent

[Jamie]

if it was a five round fight and if Kamaru had a full camp. Because you're taking a fight on that short notice like that you don't trust in your win wind like you would trust in your wind if you just went through 12 weeks of hell where you just know you're in tippy top.

[Joe Rogan]

Like that's his knee barking also.

[Jamie]

I'm sure his knees always barking. He's such a warrior when he gets in there. He fights like it doesn't matter.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, you know, he would. They were in the wrestling positions for a while where he like he wasn't able to really do much, you know, like.

[Jamie]

Well, he defended, wasn't able to do anything to him.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying. It was like a stalemate kind of.

[Jamie]

They were just like there, we're with everybody else. Hamza basically ragdolls amounts them around.

[Joe Rogan]

It was like a video game, like Rolling Thunder.

[Jamie]

That was crazy. And him and Kevin Holland had so many words before that too. So there's a lot of anger in that, you know, that was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a while.

[Jamie]

That was really. And they had like gotten some sort of an altercation before that at another event. So there was bad blood there. So it was like Hamza. I just wanted to prove a point.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's. You know, these guys aren't really playing. They. They play by a different set of rules coming from that. That block.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's a fucking.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a different block.

[Jamie]

It's a war zone, son. They're used to actual fights for sure. Yeah. Like to stay alive, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Scary man. That's a fight though. It's a really interesting fight. It's. We're gonna know real soon like early on in the fight whether or not Strickland can avoid the takedown and whether or not Hamza can hit him and whether or not he could avoid getting hit because Tricklin will set some traps. He's sneaky with his striking. Very clever. Very clever with the striking.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean the. Also Hamza had the issue Coming off of that, off of COVID He had that long, long Covid where his lungs were for a while.

[Jamie]

Well, you know what that was? He wouldn't stop training. So he got Covid and trained hard like a fucking psychopath. All through Covid to the point where he was getting bleeding out of his lungs.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no.

[Jamie]

He was coughing up blood. He just. Apparently he's an animal. They just can't keep him out of the gym. They just can't keep him out of the gym. And so he kept training while he had coveted, like. And it got real bad. The point where he was hospitalized.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. I. I don't. That. That's a different type of level of being able to just like, push past, like, physical sickness. Because Covid up.

[Jamie]

Push past the point where you're almost dead.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

But also you're still showing up doing rounds.

[Joe Rogan]

I think I had mentioned this, but I was training with Plino and Pereira before the first Ankalaya fight. And we got sick the same way.

[Jamie]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Neuro, everyone. Like, I was sick.

[Jamie]

Neurovirus, yo.

[Joe Rogan]

Brah was fucking so sick. And he went and did the fight, did the whole thing. He was as sick as me, apparently.

[Jamie]

That was the first ankle eye fight.

[Joe Rogan]

First ankle eye fight. I fucking literally was knocked out for 10 days. And this motherfucker's training, traveling, and fighting with a norovirus for the championship. And it wasn't. It wasn't a. It wasn't a Pereira fight, but it was not horrible.

[Jamie]

No, it wasn't terrible. He lost. But then the second fight was like, holy shit.

[Joe Rogan]

I see them training now. He looks like a behemoth at 250.

[Jamie]

He's in 260s now.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy shit.

[Jamie]

They weighed in at 263, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

That's to him. At 263 is scary.

[Jamie]

It's nuts. That guy fought at 185 just a couple years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this is. This is his true body type. He's. He's meant to be a cowboy, you know, he's like a fucking Brazilian cowboy.

[Jamie]

Amazon warrior jeans. Same shit we're talking about. That's what he is.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the bone density stuff. It's not. It's like. It's true.

[Jamie]

Genetics indigenous.

[Joe Rogan]

It's. You look at certain people and you see the past, right. I see warriors

[Jamie]

when that song comes out.

[Joe Rogan]

Chants were made to excite they would they to conjure up spirit. That's what he fucking does. He's conjuring up spirit. That's why Yuri was so scared of Black. He was gonna shrink his head very.

[Jamie]

Yuri asked him in the second fight to not use spiritual warfare.

[Joe Rogan]

So good. That's. Come on. There's no. There's no. There's no movie that could write this type of script. I love this shit.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I felt bad for Yuri, but I felt great for Carlos at the same time.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, I love that whole team, Dash and all those boys out there.

[Jamie]

Yeah, they're great, Carlos.

[Joe Rogan]

I like those guys.

[Jamie]

It's like, look, I get it. It's a hard pill to swallow. I get it. You did back off. I get it. But also, that guy, just.

[Joe Rogan]

You can only blame yourself on that one, man.

[Jamie]

He found a way to win. Found a way to win in the most spectacular way possible.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the only thing that should really be spoken about, is his will and his, like, his. His ability to fight through that, bro. Torn acl. They're carting you off the fucking field.

[Jamie]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Everyone's crying that their career's over in football. Carting you off the field with your heads like that. This dude's knocking homie out for the. For the light heavyweight championship of the world.

[Jamie]

Fucking crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

So to have that type of will in you, you could only just be mesmerized by that.

[Jamie]

I know. It's nuts, man. Think about it. Like, how many great fights are out there to be had? How many great fights have been had? I mean, those moments like that, that's like, you can't. That. That's one of the things that makes a sport so exciting. Like, you couldn't have imagined that he would blow his knee out, and then you could have imagined that Yuri would pause and not know what to do. And then you couldn't have imagined that Carlos would knock him out.

[Joe Rogan]

That's perfectly. Let me ask you something about the footing in the. In the Octagon. This foot slip was this slippery in there.

[Jamie]

I think it was just a placement issue.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he placed it wrong.

[Jamie]

And, yeah, sometimes in scrambles, you know, you're moving weird.

[Joe Rogan]

And so he. Over.

[Jamie]

It looks like it just blew out,

[Joe Rogan]

man, because that just.

[Jamie]

There's a video of Carlos blowing his knee out, and it looks like they're in the middle of a wild exchange. He moves his foot in a certain way and it just pops. And you can see it go up the back of his leg.

[Joe Rogan]

Up. It was nasty.

[Jamie]

It's nasty. Yeah, it's horrible. And it's going to take a long time for that thing to be better again. But he won. He won. Champion. And then Paulo Costa interim. If I was the captain of the ship, that's what I would do. I get Paulo, him, and you're a star. Maybe on Goliath. I mean, I know, I know that Pereira just knocked him out, but he deserves to be in. So here it is. So he placed his leg weird and pushed off and it just blew out.

[Joe Rogan]

See, it looked like he was on

[Jamie]

just a freak movement.

[Joe Rogan]

He didn't step on the. On the paw of the foot. He stepped more on. On the inside. Like that. Like the angle of the. Of the step.

[Jamie]

Well, it was definitely weird because they're in the middle of a scramble, you know, but look at him and look

[Joe Rogan]

at his criticism right there. The way he just spun off that and stayed on that left leg. Yeah. No, that's nasty.

[Jamie]

Yeah. When that happens, your. Your leg is just so unstable. The crazy thing is there's guys in

[Joe Rogan]

the UFC see how it's like that

[Jamie]

fight with no acl. They have no ACL and they fight in the ufc. I know Rafael dos Anjos was doing that for a while. He had no ACL and he was fighting in the ufc.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, was that his. During his decline or was he ch.

[Jamie]

He was still pretty close to the top. He had lost the title, but he was still pretty close to the top. We were still fucking a lot of people up.

[Joe Rogan]

This is another breed also.

[Jamie]

Well, that guy, the conditioning, that guy was sculpted. Dos Anjos in his prime. Looked like somebody made him out of marble. He looked like he belonged at the Vatican.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I was. Every time I tell people I'm gonna come see you, they always say, yo, can you ask him this? Can you ask him that? I started fielding questions for you.

[Jamie]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.

[Joe Rogan]

For what?

[Jamie]

For you getting those questions.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I like it.

[Jamie]

Oh, you do?

[Joe Rogan]

I like it. What are the questions? So ridiculous.

[Jamie]

What's the most ridiculous one?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember. It's all silly. But one good one is like, when you gonna have Mirko CRO cop here?

[Jamie]

Oh, actually talk to him.

[Joe Rogan]

I was in crazy because my boy, during the summer, in the same neighborhood as him that I trained with. My boy Dean. He's literally a Croatian. He looks like fucking. Mirko throws the leg bald headed fucking. He looks like. He's like, he's a. Like he's driving BMW M5 for sure.

[Jamie]

I would definitely have Mirko on. He's a legend.

[Joe Rogan]

Need to hear from him.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he's a legend and he's very funny. I've seen him in interviews before.

[Joe Rogan]

I was wondering whether he spoke English or not, but he speaks perfectly.

[Jamie]

Good enough. Yeah, definitely good enough to have a conversation. I was watching him versus Fedor today.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a crazy fight.

[Jamie]

I think that was like 2000. Look at him, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Jack, that's unbelievable right there.

[Jamie]

How old is Marco now?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a recent picture.

[Jesse]

Yeah, four days, three days ago.

[Jamie]

Dude's in phenomenal shape. I mean, he's got to be 50. How old is Mirko now?

[Joe Rogan]

That stuff doesn't go away when it's real, man.

[Jesse]

51.

[Jamie]

51. That's unred, son. Yeah, he was an animal in his prime, boy. He was the. The first kickboxer to really start doing well in mma because he was so explosive. See, a lot of the other guys, like Ernesto Hoost or Peter Ertz, they were real technical, but they set things up.

[Joe Rogan]

Slappers for the most. Like, they were setting things, setting it up.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but with Mirko, he would just. Just explode on you.

[Joe Rogan]

Explode your liver, explode your head with those kicks, man.

[Jamie]

He was so fast and so explosive that when he entered into mma, he had a kind of advantage. This is back when they let him fight with shoes on. Marco with shoes on is a crazy proposition.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nuts.

[Jesse]

I just. I've seen. I see a guy like this. I go, that's a giant.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he's a giant. But I mean, long man, Troy, he was, like, seven plus feet tall.

[Jesse]

So when you find a skeleton of a person like this.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jesse]

Giants are real.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, definitely.

[Jesse]

They're around now, too, right?

[Jamie]

Definitely. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But he doesn't look like he has gigantic.

[Jamie]

No, he does. He does.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he does, but he. No, but, you know, like, most of those guys are unathletic. Their knees are knocking.

[Jesse]

Right, right.

[Joe Rogan]

He doesn't seem unathletic.

[Jamie]

I see what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, he has more. Like, he looks like he's kind of on his toes, you know, like, he's moves well. Yeah. Like his legs are working in the right way. He has proper athleticism.

[Jamie]

Well, there's another guy that beat Fedor. Bigfoot. Saw Bigfoot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but he looked like he had fucking giant face.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he had it. NBA Victor Wembanyama is again, Wembanyama's seven foot four. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't look like he moves as well as he does.

[Jesse]

He's 22 years old, so fucking praying mantis shouldn't be able to do this stuff. He dribbles behind his back. He shoots threes, bro.

[Jamie]

Do you watch them seven foot four is crazy.

[Jesse]

Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you watch the NBA, though?

[Jamie]

Sometimes.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, seven foot four is different when you weigh 190 pounds, right? You know, seven foot four, like Rick Smith's back in the day. Or like dudes who have a little weight on them look different.

[Jamie]

This guy, he's 235.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's unbelievable.

[Jamie]

You don't believe that.

[Jesse]

He probably is.

[Jamie]

No, he's 235, but he's so big.

[Jesse]

He's still getting bigger, too. He's got a little brother that's not even in the NBA yet.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, this kid is gonna. This is the future.

[Jesse]

Maybe 16 or 17, his younger brother, and he still grows, I don't know, six, ten now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. This is this ridiculous. This is the future right here of sports giant humans. Humans, right.

[Jamie]

So that if you go back to the Bible, there are giants. Yeah. Giants are real.

[Jesse]

They've been around.

[Jamie]

Well, look at the guys in Iceland. Like the mountain.

[Joe Rogan]

My favorite people. Yeah. John Paul Sigmasson, one of my favorite strong men of all time. All the Icelandic heroes.

[Jamie]

I know, right? All Vikings, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Giant humans have Thor Bjornsson. He's the guy from Game of Thrones.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah, he's the mountain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's the mountain. But, bro, I go world strongman taught me about the world. It taught me about how to pronounce names and. Yeah, like Magnus Von Magnussen, Magnus Ver Magnusson. That's who it is. There's all Icelandic legends.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Jean Paul Sigmundson, Magnus Ver Yanni Vertinen and Yukohola from Finland. Like, I have so genetics in that

[Jamie]

part of the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Unreal Vikings, like Viking genetics.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but that's like, that's. You want to know what a Viking looked like? That's what they looked like. Those guys showed up with a fucking. A gigantic boat filled with animals swinging swords just ready to kill everybody in your village.

[Joe Rogan]

Fun. Swinging that fucking mace. Swinging the hammer. May I have that, please?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man.

[Jamie]

I'm re watching Game of Thrones. I'm on the final season now.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never seen it.

[Jamie]

God damn, it's good.

[Joe Rogan]

I need to. I've been watching Mob Land.

[Jamie]

Good. That's great. Fucking Tom Hardy kills it.

[Joe Rogan]

I love Tom Hardy. That's my man. Yeah, but fucking Pierce Brosnan kills it.

[Jamie]

Holy kills it. And what is the woman's name again? Helen Mirren.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my.

[Jamie]

She's so good.

[Joe Rogan]

Maeve.

[Jamie]

She's so good.

[Joe Rogan]

What a legendary cast. I really like that show a lot.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that's amazing. That's Guy should be on it. Yeah, Guy Richie's the.

[Joe Rogan]

You can find the part for me. I could. I can't do an accent.

[Jamie]

You could learn. You can learn an accent, bro. Let's try it out right now. Try it out.

[Joe Rogan]

Which one?

[Jamie]

Liverpool.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, for sake. There you go.

[Jamie]

You're in.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been there. I'm a Schouser.

[Jamie]

You could do it. Just Patty Pemblett for like a week.

[Joe Rogan]

Meatball Molly.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Live with Patty and Meatball Molly. They'll teach you how to talk. Scouser.

[Joe Rogan]

And I want to box.

[Jamie]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

I just want to throw hands. I just love, like. I just want. I love boxing.

[Jamie]

Yeah. For real.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it. But remember how you were trying to show me how to throw kick? I just stopped kicking.

[Jamie]

Yeah. You gave up.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not a kicker.

[Jamie]

You don't have to be.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not a kicker. I'm a choker. I'd like to be a choker.

[Jamie]

You could learn how to kick.

[Joe Rogan]

I could.

[Jamie]

You could learn. You just gotta learn how to stretch first.

[Joe Rogan]

It's that leg thing, man. I'm scared to break my leg again.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Cause every time I kick in the wrong place, it feels like you hit. You hit the ball on the wrong part of the bat.

[Jamie]

When you broke your leg, did you have to get pins?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I got. It broke in half. It broke in half. So I got the plate.

[Jamie]

Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

But it was a clean break. It was good. It's better to get shattered. Shattered.

[Jamie]

I was bad. So bad.

[Joe Rogan]

So a clean break kind of made a bionic return.

[Jamie]

So it doesn't bother you now?

[Joe Rogan]

No, nothing. Oh, no. It's strong. But if I kick it in the exact spot, I'll feel it, right?

[Jamie]

Like if someone checks a kick on their knee or something like that. What part of your knee or your leg broke?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna not disclose that. Like Bill Belichick.

[Jamie]

Look at you. You're hiding injuries. How did you break it?

[Joe Rogan]

I fell. Literally slipped in the kitchen. I was making two hamburgers and I was carrying them out and the homie was mopping at the same time. I was wearing the wrong shoe and I just slipped and it got caught behind me. That's freak accident.

[Jamie]

You know that happened is what's his face, Piers Morgan. He fell and broke his hip. How'd he get his hip replaced?

[Joe Rogan]

That's the thing. He doesn't seem like he's in great shape. I was in fucking six shape at the time. I was in. I was riding my bike every day. I was Feeling good.

[Jamie]

How long ago this happened?

[Joe Rogan]

2011.

[Jamie]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, no. 2010.

[Jamie]

So that's why you worried about kicking. So don't kick anybody. Just work on knees.

[Joe Rogan]

Move like inside knee.

[Jamie]

There you go. That's a good move for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Clinch. Yeah.

[Jamie]

It's all just about a hip mobility. Just learn some hip mobility stuff. I know ballerina bars.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Those are actually really good.

[Joe Rogan]

Good.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I have one. I could do a good. I could get the leg up there.

[Jamie]

Ballerina bar is really good for swinging your leg. You, like, you stand on your left leg and swing your right leg and then up like that. And this. Yeah, like that. That's really good for, like, opening it up and getting the dexterity and strengthening up those supporting muscles.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. All the flexors. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Everybody should have some leg and hip mobility. You should be able to throw a kick. It's not that hard, especially a low kick.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I could throw it difficult. But, you know, the accuracy and, you know, the devastation factor might not be the.

[Jamie]

You'll figure it out. You're a big guy. You're strong. You got a lot of horsepower back there.

[Joe Rogan]

Come here.

[Jamie]

Come on, son. Come here.

[Joe Rogan]

They fucking wrestle you?

[Jamie]

Yeah. Yeah. Getting excited.

[Joe Rogan]

I train with Polino a lot. Yeah. I train with him in Jersey. Just holds pads.

[Jamie]

I thought he was. He's not in Connecticut. Oh, his place is in Jersey.

[Joe Rogan]

Glover's in Connecticut. In Connecticut, but everyone.

[Jamie]

What part of Jersey is Plino in?

[Joe Rogan]

In Nutley.

[Jamie]

Oh, Nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Right there. 10, like, 15 minutes from me.

[Jamie]

That's great. That's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Gives me good work.

[Jamie]

He's a good dude, too. I love him and great coach, and they spend.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'll say. He spends time with me and, like, teaches me fighting, not boxing. Show me how to fight.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, things Alex would do.

[Jamie]

It's probably a good thing for you, too, to have something that takes your mind off all the other shit you do.

[Joe Rogan]

It's one of my favorite things.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing is that one thing takes my mind off the next. This takes my mind off of that thing. That takes my mind off of that. So it's like a constant therapy that I'm giving myself. Cause I'm getting burnt out here. Oh, let's turn to this now. That's stopping me from doing that. And I would get burnt out there. Go to the next thing. Right. I'm just a seasonal person. I like doing things when I'm, like, when I feel them. I know what you mean.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you feel it. You're just enjoying it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, exactly. I Don't want to be forced.

[Jamie]

Maybe you'll start golfing soon.

[Joe Rogan]

That's enough of me. Really, I'm really good. Look at me. I'm really good. Pitch and putt. I'm a pro.

[Jamie]

You're good. Mini golfer.

[Joe Rogan]

Pitch and putt. Nah, mini golf. I'm not that good.

[Jamie]

What's the difference?

[Joe Rogan]

Pitch and putt is like everything except driving.

[Jesse]

Yeah, it's like 100.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like a city game. You have it at the park, but There's a good 70 yard.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the wedge? Mm.

[Jamie]

Okay. It's just not long drives.

[Joe Rogan]

No drives.

[Jamie]

Got it.

[Joe Rogan]

So I'm pretty good.

[Jamie]

So every golf game starts off with the long. I'm totally ignorant.

[Joe Rogan]

Me too. Every game starts with a drive from the beginning.

[Jamie]

Is that true?

[Jesse]

Mostly 14. It should be 2 par threes per side. It's not. Every course isn't the same, but it's like, average. 2 par threes per side, 2 par fives per side, and the rest of par fours.

[Jamie]

And do you always open with, like, a long shot? Is that the thing?

[Jesse]

I.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that, like, how you play the

[Jesse]

course is supposed to be up to you? You should. I mean, ideally, you want to get as far.

[Joe Rogan]

How would they play a PGA?

[Jesse]

1 swing as possible so you have less strokes.

[Joe Rogan]

How does the Master start?

[Jesse]

Yeah, I mean, they're.

[Joe Rogan]

That's how I'm starting. How they start in Augusta. Shinnecock. Like, I want to play all these. I just want to smoke hash on the golf courses and chill while other people play.

[Jamie]

That's what you want to do? That's doable?

[Joe Rogan]

I think we could do that.

[Jamie]

I think that's very attainable.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to do it once. I don't want to follow them like Jamie.

[Jesse]

It sounds like we might have a show.

[Jamie]

You already did that with Ancient Aliens, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I can. How do we bring this back? Were you fucking producing it?

[Jamie]

I was just talking about it yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you produce this for me? Talking about it? I don't mean to put you on the spot. I need to put you on the spot. Can you be the executive producer?

[Jamie]

Well, where would we do it?

[Joe Rogan]

It really doesn't take much.

[Jamie]

Where did you do it before you did it at Vice?

[Joe Rogan]

We did it in a fucking rented studio with green screen.

[Jamie]

That's where Vice went bad. Well, they should have kept you around. They fucked up.

[Joe Rogan]

They fucked everything.

[Jamie]

They had you. They had Eddie Wong. They had a bunch of dope shows. I did Eddie Wong show. We went and did yoga together.

[Joe Rogan]

Seriously?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yo, bro. I don't even want to tell you

[Jamie]

what I'm about to do. I love Eddie.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a good kid. Fucking. I'm about to do Tai Bo with Billy Blanks now.

[Jamie]

Like, today. Like, you're about to do it Thursday. Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Me, Ryan Seacrest and Billy Blanks.

[Jamie]

Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm gonna tell you here, first I went on Wheel of Fortune.

[Jamie]

Did you?

[Joe Rogan]

I did.

[Jamie]

How'd you do?

[Joe Rogan]

I can't tell you yet, but just let me tell you. I dominated. I can't tell anyone yet, but I dominated.

[Jamie]

I think he just told us.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me just tell you something, bro. So I'm sorry if this is gonna ruin anything, but for fuck's sake, I dominated.

[Jamie]

Nice. Beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I mean. I'm looking for Jeopardy. To be honest, I'm better at Jeopardy.

[Jamie]

And so why are you going and doing Tybo with Ryan Seacrest and Billy Blanks?

[Joe Rogan]

Because they took a liking. Ryan took a liking to me, and now he wants to do something else.

[Jamie]

Oh, so you guys filming this?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we're gonna film me and Ryan doing Taibo with Billy Blanks. But for me, Billy Blanks, the last boy scout, the first scene.

[Jamie]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I know him for. That's my shit.

[Jamie]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Ain't life a bitch? He fucking.

[Jamie]

I forgot about that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's one of my favorite movies of all time.

[Jamie]

Well, Damon Wayne's one of my favorite comics.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on. Damon Wayans is a fucking underrated comic.

[Jamie]

Underrated comic and underrated action star. He was great in that fucking movie

[Joe Rogan]

Bulletproof with Adam Sandler. Yeah, I used to love Damon Wayne.

[Jamie]

Major pain.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. He had a run. What about his brother in fucking low down Dirty Shane? That was a good action movie, too. Keenan. Who knew Keenan? Ivan Waynes was a action hero.

[Jamie]

Keenan's a cool guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Imma get you, sucker.

[Jamie]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on.

[Jamie]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

He died from over he. Over gold. Too much gold.

[Jamie]

Wasn't there a guy who had, like, goldfish tanks for his platform shoes?

[Joe Rogan]

Of course, man. That was the pimp. Can you imagine a living color fish tanks for platforms in living color? Changed my life. She changed my life.

[Jamie]

Hey, I just read something. I should probably call Dave and ask him, but I just read something where they're thinking about bringing back the Chappelle show.

[Jesse]

He gave a speech there. So Eddie Murphy got another award this week, I think AFI or something. And Dave was on stage speaking, and he said he was talking with Eddie about it, and Eddie Sort of like, pushed him. But then during the speech, he sort of said, all right, if you want to do it. I think they actually even said, maybe a movie. Like a Chappelle show movie.

[Jamie]

Oh, okay.

[Jesse]

An actual show.

[Jamie]

But he's like, that would be.

[Jesse]

He kind of said, eddie, if you do Charlie's parts, let's do it.

[Jamie]

Oh, that would be incredible.

[Jesse]

Yeah, because he kind of doesn't want to do without Charlie.

[Jamie]

Oh, that would be incredible. That'd be incredible. Around me, Eddie and Charlie on vacation once. It's totally random. In Hawaii.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie]

Yeah. I was at. At the counter getting my, you know, Keith for the room, and Charlie's cousin was there. I was like, what do you do? What's going on, man? What are you doing here? He's like, charlie's here with Eddie. Come say hi. And I went over. I had lunch with Charlie and Eddie. I was, like, just sitting there talking to him. Like, this is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Jamie]

It was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Where were you staying? Moana Surf Club?

[Jamie]

No, Four Seasons. Four Seasons in Maui.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

It's a nice, beautiful place. Beautiful place. It was like just talking to Eddie Murphy. I was like, what? Am I really. Talking to Eddie Murphy? It was so weird.

[Joe Rogan]

That's psychedelic right there.

[Jamie]

It was cool. He's really cool.

[Joe Rogan]

I met Martin, Martin Lawrence, who was like. My grandparents learned English from this man. My Albanian grandparents would watch Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy. And Martin. So, like, you know, and. And I did the. I did the thing with Wheel of Fortune, and then I went to the Knicks game versus the Lakers. I said, fuck it. I'm getting myself a ticket. And as I walk in, it's fucking Martin Lawrence right there almost. I literally. I've never done this to another man. I shook his hand. I went into his ear. I was like, yo, bro, you don't know how much this means to me, man. You don't know. Yo, bro. I was just talking. I was, like, whispering in his ear how much it meant to me.

[Jamie]

He fanboyed out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I fanboyed. The fuck. I don't care. I don't care.

[Jamie]

I did it, dude. I saw Martin Lawrence in his prime at the Comedy store in the 90s.

[Joe Rogan]

I would have died to see that.

[Jamie]

There's another guy that people sleep on.

[Joe Rogan]

My favorite.

[Jamie]

He's one of the best comics ever. Like, when he was in his prime, he would destroy, and I would have to follow him. It was hell. I bombed so many times. Mitzi Shore, that lady right there. When. If you were coming up, one of the things that she would do is like young comics that she thought of any promise at all. She'd put them on after monsters.

[Joe Rogan]

Put you out after a legend.

[Jamie]

Yep, that's your spot. Right on after the killer. Good luck. Good luck.

[Joe Rogan]

I like that.

[Jamie]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Shows you what kind of shots you got.

[Jamie]

She knew what she was doing. I mean, she's the most important figure in comedy outside of comedians for sure. She's number one. She knew. She knew what she was doing, even with her son. I mean, she'd even give Paulie a break, you know, Paulie had to earn it himself too.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Jamie]

That's how she, you know, she knew. She knew like how. What was the best environment to create comedy?

[Joe Rogan]

So Pauly Shaw was a stand up first.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't even realize that.

[Jamie]

Oh yeah. He's been a stand up forever.

[Joe Rogan]

I just knew. I just. When I was young, like he was like in movies and shit that I liked. He was like. He was like that. He was like that actor. Where's it at? Right here.

[Jamie]

Yeah, well, he started stand up. I mean, he used to get babysat by Sam Kinison.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God. You gotta be a fucking funny guy after that one. Could that be my babysitter?

[Jamie]

There's some things you don't want to learn when you're that young. I mean, you don't want to learn from Sam.

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of do. I kind of. I don't know. I had some pretty. Some interesting characters raised me also.

[Jamie]

I'm just so glad that the Comedy Store is still around. I was really worried about them during the pandemic when they're closed for like a year. The. The whole thing was so insane. It took so long for LA allowed them to open up.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I ask you something? Honestly, no. All right. The comics of today, do you find them? It's just because we've aged a little bit and we find different things. Like, do you find them as funny as you found people that you looked up to, like your elders? Do you find these younger guys funny? Like, can you vibe with it?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I definitely could vibe with it. You know, as far as, like, do

[Joe Rogan]

they make you cackle the way?

[Jamie]

These are the fucking guys for sure. It depends on who you watch.

[Joe Rogan]

You know who? I like. I like Stavi.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, Stavi's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

Stavros.

[Jamie]

Stavros is hilarious. There's a. There's more funny comics now, I think, than ever.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. It's a really good time for like up and coming people, new people. There's like a Lot of, like, excitement about comedy, you know? And then there's Kill Tony, which is like this awesome platform for them. So there's so many people that.

[Joe Rogan]

Were you doing that last night?

[Jamie]

No, I wasn't there last night because

[Joe Rogan]

I drove by the. By the. By the mothership, and it was there cranking.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that was Kill Tony Knight. I wasn't there last night, but Ari Shir was there. Louis J. Gomez was there. So it was. It was a great, great setup. And it's always a good show. It's always a fun show. And that gives people legit opportunity to get on stage, and either to get on YouTube or to get on Netflix in front of the whole fucking world. And it could make your career, it could make your life, it could change everything.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not like a voice type of vibe. It's more of, like, a real show, and then just people see you there. It's not like a competition.

[Jamie]

No, no, no. There's no competition. But you do get one minute. And if you do well, writes you back. Yeah. Not judged, but you get feedback from the comics or. Or everybody's just around. It's all very loose and open.

[Joe Rogan]

Showtime.

[Jamie]

Tony roast you. No, you don't get yanked. You get your one minute.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Jamie]

And if you suck, Tony roast you. And, you know, but sometimes the people that suck, they know they sucked, and they're really funny talking about how they sucked. It's just a great show, but it's just an opportunity where comedians see there's a path. All I have to do is, like, keep doing open mics, put together an act, start getting a little road work, do Kill Tony. And then next thing you know, I'm headlining on the road like all these other guys that have become regulars on the show.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a clear path.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Like, you could really make a living and have a real career in common. Comedy. So because of that, it's like, comedy is really exciting right now. It's like. And because of YouTube, because you could put your special. Just.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't need, like, you don't need big guys.

[Jamie]

You put it right up anything. Just upload it onto YouTube. Next thing you know, it's got a million views. Holy. You're off and running. And then people could. The best thing about YouTube is people could share it. You could see a funny comedy special. Oh, you gotta watch this. You send it to me. I'm like, ah. And then I'll send it to him. And that's how things happen. It's like. Like, that never existed before. So that paves the way for more comics to be encouraged to try it. Because there's an. If you got a work ethic and you're willing to do it, there's. There's an actual path to having a career.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because before it had. It was like a little bit like luck. You had to meet the right person. And now there's like, like getting to the major leagues. You go through the minors, you go through here. He's clear.

[Jamie]

What's the pathway for rappers?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. There's really none nowadays, I believe it's all the same thing. You choose your own path.

[Jamie]

Just become mayor.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You fucking kidding me? I'd love to do that. The mayor. If I could be the mayor.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you could be the mayor.

[Joe Rogan]

Just someone gotta feed me some political situations that are good, good things only I don't wanna do anything bad. No, but like the path to being a rapper, there's really. First off, you have to be just nice. You have to be good. You shouldn't be doing it if you suck, right? And some. Your friend should tell you, yo, listen, this is not for you. Let's step away from this and do something else, right? You have to have good people around you. I had a lot of people around me that are fucking straight up haters, very raw deal people. And no one told me to stop, of course. And that inspired me to keep going. And honestly, you just have to have it within you. You either have it or you don't. I've been around here now 16 years and I've seen a lot of fucking people come and go. But I've been a constant. And I don't even think I've peaked in any area of life yet. Truly. I feel like I'm. I'm on the brink of. I'm always on the brink of a new exploration, a new breakthrough. And that's how I take things. Because I don't like, I don't want to be stagnant. I look older, I'm visibly grizzled, I'm visibly Sean Connery. But because I started later, you didn't see me as a fucking 15 year old kid jumping around, right. I came in as a 27 year old man, right? So you've seen me throughout the years. I've just. Now I'm more of a man. So I didn't start as a little baby face. You know, A lot of these kids, you see them 16 years later, they look the exact same. Because you saw them at 13, not me, right. I feel you you know? Yeah, but.

[Jamie]

Well, that's a great attitude anyway. If you're just continuing to improve at something, that's a great way to live life.

[Joe Rogan]

I just like learning, man. I like. I love new experiences. I'm not. I want to like. I'm just finding new things that I love every single day of life.

[Jamie]

That's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Truthfully, man, I got. I feel. I feel blessed and special to have those type of outlets where I don't have to like, search for and things just like, like hobbies fall in my lap. They do. Because I really am a connoisseur of many things in life that I love.

[Jamie]

What other hobbies do you like?

[Joe Rogan]

Like I said, I love gardening. I love overlanding. Now. I love. I want to take my.

[Jamie]

Go overlanding.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to take my truck everywhere now. I want to just.

[Jamie]

What kind of truck you got?

[Joe Rogan]

I got a sequoia, brand new, 26. It was the best purchase I've ever made in my life.

[Jamie]

They never break.

[Joe Rogan]

They never break. And New York was so fucking heavy duty. I was like in war mode. There was nothing stopping me. Right.

[Jamie]

Four wheel drive, 800 wheel drive.

[Joe Rogan]

That car got. It got power like you can't believe. It's perfect.

[Jamie]

Toyotas are hard to go wrong. Hard to go wrong with a Toyota.

[Joe Rogan]

I love Toyota. I had Jeeps for a while, but I started. My mother had the 83 Toyota Celica. That was our first car. We called it Brownie. It got us everywhere. Then we made the change to the 94 Jeep Grand Cherokee, forest green. We had that for a long time until we got the Hyundai Sonata that I got stolen by accident. You know, it was the morning before, that was the night before the Brett Favre jet experiment that was gonna happen. You know, he fi. He went to the jets. I went to the store in my underwear that I always do up block from my house, bought a vanilla Dutch and a set for life. And two fucking kids jumped in the car and just dipped. Oh, no. So.

[Jamie]

And you were in your underwear.

[Joe Rogan]

I was in my underwear. I had to fucking. Had to make the police report. In underwear. Why are you in underwear? First off, that was the first question. Why are you in underwear?

[Jamie]

That's a solid question.

[Joe Rogan]

I said, should I take them off? You want me to take them off? Are you crazy?

[Jamie]

It does make the situation weirder.

[Joe Rogan]

It makes it all weirder. Why I left with underwear on only. Yeah, it was hot out.

[Jamie]

I wouldn't advise that.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, don't do that. Even if you're going to your local store.

[Jamie]

Did you do things to Sequoia? Did you put a lift on it? What'd you do?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I put the lift on it. I put the.

[Jamie]

Change the tires.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Some 35, some Toyos.

[Jamie]

Look at you.

[Joe Rogan]

I went nuts. I got the crazy RAC rack.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you got a roof rack. The whole deal.

[Joe Rogan]

I even got a roof rack.

[Jamie]

Nice.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but I really, you know, I'm trying to throw the Dobbinson's kit on there so it's really lifted and I want to go. I want to do like a Dakar rally vibe.

[Jamie]

Okay, so do you want to take this and just go out into the woods and camp out for a while?

[Joe Rogan]

I want to do that too, but I want to drive to the unknown.

[Jamie]

Drive over through the unknown. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a trip that these guys.

[Jamie]

Them.

[Joe Rogan]

It's probably not. It's not the move. It's too big. It's too burly. I need.

[Jamie]

Old Land Cruisers are the move. I need 80 series Land Cruisers.

[Joe Rogan]

I need something that's a little bit more mobile.

[Jamie]

You're right.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been looking to go maybe Mitsubishi Pajero, right hand drive. Or.

[Jamie]

You know what's real good is the Lexus gx.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's the one.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The comfort. Comfort.

[Jamie]

But also a lot of dudes take those and. And put lifts on them and there's a lot of aftermarket stuff available for them because they're so luxury and they're so reliable.

[Joe Rogan]

That's that Toyota motor.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you can't go wrong with Toyota, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

They know Toyota. Holler at me. Come on. I'm the person.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I have a 95 Land Cruiser. Yeah, I love those things.

[Joe Rogan]

Champagne?

[Jamie]

No, it's silver. Silver? It's Lexus Atomic silver. I had it painted.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jesse]

Good.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's dope.

[Joe Rogan]

She gets me crazy.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that thing you got, the Raptor, The Hennessy.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

More than the Hennessy. What is it, the VSOP?

[Jamie]

No, it's the Hennessy. It's a Hennessey 1000. So it's. They take a Raptor R and turn it into a 1000 horsepower pickup truck. It's ridiculous. Totally necessary.

[Joe Rogan]

It's 100. Do you overland here? No, just drive the streets.

[Jamie]

Yeah, well, we've taken it out to ranches before, though, so I've taken it.

[Joe Rogan]

You need. You need that vehicle for the ranch.

[Jamie]

It helps. It definitely helps when you're getting over stuff. Those things are. They have so much wheel travel. Those Raptors, they're so good. Especially the Hennessy, because It's even more lifted. It's so good at articulating over space.

[Joe Rogan]

Independent. The independent arms.

[Jamie]

Well it's just the suspension is designed to be pliable. Right. It's like when you're going over up ground it like moves with it.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing about those here, the other

[Jamie]

one will be the old Land Cruiser is that they all had solid axles front and rear. That's like a real hardcore off roading vehicle. You know the solid axles are just so durable and because it turns like the side you've seen like guys going over landing with Land Cruisers where they have like the crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The rocks going over like dudes get

[Jamie]

obsessed with those weird trails like just getting up them.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm starting to be. I'm just. It's the, the, the, the burn, the burn is there. I'm just little by little it's a. Soon you'll see me in Moab going crazy through the rocks. For real.

[Jamie]

She got a Jeep. Jeeps are really good for that. K Pop Demon hunters Haja Boy's breakfast meal and hunt tricks meal have just dropped at McDonald's.

[Joe Rogan]

They're calling this a battle for the fans.

[Jamie]

What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle.

[Joe Rogan]

So glad the Saja boys could take

[Jamie]

breakfast and get give our meal the

[Jesse]

rest of the day.

[Joe Rogan]

It is an honor to share.

[Jesse]

No, it's our honor.

[Joe Rogan]

It is our larger honor.

[Jamie]

No really stop.

[Joe Rogan]

You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side

[Jamie]

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[Joe Rogan]

How much fun is that to put on things? Oh so like to soup things.

[Jamie]

So exciting.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm working on a. I'm working on an 87M6 right now. That I've had just sitting there in my garage for 12 years. Really about to give it a new life.

[Jamie]

What are you gonna do to it?

[Joe Rogan]

Baja.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Making it a rally car. Lifting it. Holy big wheels.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm done dropping things. I'm only lifting things now.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I've dropped every BMW I've had to the ground. You know, Scraping.

[Jamie]

You're subconsciously preparing for the end of civilization. We're gonna have to go off the roads.

[Joe Rogan]

I got the Japanese GI Joe truck. I'm prepping everything.

[Jamie]

You have an apocalypse vehicle? Yeah. I recommend those. You should get one. When things go sideways, you gotta have something that can go away from the road 100%. Because if you're stuck in a Ferrari and you're on the highway, you're stuck.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't even get in the fucking thing right now. I could, but it wouldn't be as sucks. It's those seats that hug your ass. Mm. I don't want anyone hugging my ass.

[Jamie]

Little tiny guy with a cigarette.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. Fucking with his legs crossed in the car.

[Jamie]

Like this. Like the real deep.

[Joe Rogan]

Ben, bro. Who could cross their legs with the deep? Bend my nuts. Don't allow that. It's a European thing.

[Jamie]

Arch fear. Doesn't it? He sits like that. But he's.

[Joe Rogan]

Ask him about his nuts. What do they do when. When that happens?

[Jamie]

Tucks them in there somewhere. They go in the space. The gap. The gap between the two legs.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, that's a crazy way to sit. For your own subconscious to know that's how you're sitting.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That your shit's tucked.

[Jamie]

You're crushing nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

N. I can't do it. Well, you and I both have tree trunk legs.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

True.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no way.

[Jamie]

Get the. It won't work like that. It doesn't go over there.

[Joe Rogan]

I could barely cross at the ankle.

[Jamie]

Adam Corolla talks about this. This. He's like. It's a thing that, like, liberals do to let you know that they think. The way you think.

[Joe Rogan]

To sit like that is unreal.

[Jamie]

It's like they've got this, like, cross. Like. Well, it's like a feminine expression. I'm not threatening. I'm basically progressive. You know, I'm. You know, I've got the legs in the proper position.

[Joe Rogan]

It's letting you know.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's all body language.

[Jamie]

Whereas Trump sits like this, with his, like, hands over his ball.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking.

[Jamie]

He holds his hands.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything's open. Yeah.

[Jamie]

He's got, like, the Hova right over his. So ridiculous.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man.

[Jamie]

Well, women Always get mad on subways because men, man spread. But the reason why is our. That's how our hips are designed. What is this? The microphones run? That's ridiculous. That is ridiculous.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a funny picture.

[Jamie]

So how did Ancient Aliens that show that? You did you getting high watching Ancient Aliens? How'd that even start?

[Joe Rogan]

Vice was about to fucking take over the History Channel and they just needed content. No, I was like, yo, you guys are fucking bugging. You're not taking this off. This has to stay like, yo, ancient alien. This comes with Vice. Like, this is now gonna be transferred. And they were like, I don't know if we could do it. So I had to go and speak to the homie who invented it. He gave me his blessings. I sat with him for, like, four hours. He was talking shit to me. Whatever convinced him. He was. I was like, yo, this is not a joke. Like, everything is tongue in cheek and ridiculous. But this is how it makes us feel. I'm a proponent. I'm a believer. If I need to talk to Giorgio Sucalos, bring him here, whatever. So he believed me. And he, like. He gave us the blessing. He recently. He didn't recently pass, but he passed a couple years ago and.

[Jamie]

Well, who did? Georgio?

[Joe Rogan]

No, not Giorgio, but the main creator. His name is fucking silly.

[Jamie]

Giorgio's the meme.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the meme? Yeah. He's the hair.

[Jamie]

I'm not saying it's aliens. He's the hair, but it's aliens.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's a lot of other sicko dudes on there that I know.

[Jamie]

Oh, yeah, well, there's a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Von. Eric, the guy who just died, also.

[Jamie]

Von Daniken.

[Joe Rogan]

Von Dennet.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Eric Von Dennenken. Yeah, I met him.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie]

Yeah. My friend Eric Weinstein brought me to a lunch where he was at, and I had a chance to talk to him about what he believes and all this stuff. He was all in on the idea that aliens definitely came down here and built everything. I'm more of a believer that there was an ending of civilization and a rebirth of it. And that what we're looking at is some incredible technology that humans had invented a long fucking time ago. And that's what's responsible for all these structures that we don't understand. Like, the ones in Mexico are crazy, man. They didn't know. They just uncovered those. I didn't know that until, like, not that long ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, these were.

[Jamie]

I thought the Aztecs built all that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, think about all these things that they're finding now. Like I. I've seen recently like all these pyramids they're finding in Antarctica. And yeah, like.

[Jamie]

Well, I know that there's one these,

[Joe Rogan]

like these mountain or in China.

[Jamie]

Odd looking.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, the odd looking, the odd looking nature of it, there's like domes and like points underneath.

[Jamie]

It looks weird though. That one looks weird. There's a bunch of them in the Amazon that look really weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Like when they do the lidar underneath the riverbed, there's like civilization under there. There's like true civilization in certain areas of the Amazon. Yeah.

[Jamie]

I have a friend of mine, Luke Caverns, who goes and explores these things all the time. We were actually just talking about one of them that I think is in Peru. I sent it to him and I asked him, I said, hey, is this legit? And he's like, yeah, absolutely. Not only is it legit, but you can't get there. Like, it's a really hard place to visit. It's almost impossible to get there. And no one's really looked into it in terms of like, here, here it is. I found it.

[Joe Rogan]

So what they do in overhead, well,

[Jamie]

they have images of it. And you look at the image and you're like, whoa, what is going on here? Like, this is weird. Like the image here, I'm like, full

[Joe Rogan]

civilization along the banks.

[Jamie]

Well, it's in the middle, I think it's deep in the jungle and I think it's very difficult to get to. But the thing is, a lot of the jungle, a lot of the Amazon, a lot of this stuff is there's areas where people don't necessarily know how many people were living there a thousand years ago or 2,000 years ago. It could have been like densely packed. Like, look at that.

[Joe Rogan]

That looks like a densely packed area with people.

[Jamie]

What the is that? Like, that does not look. That's the AI version. But go back to that. That's a real picture, bro. That does not look natural at all. It doesn't match anything around it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Jamie]

It looks like something that someone built. It doesn't mean that it's something that someone built. And it might just be that angle. Right. If you look at it from the other side, it might look like bullshit.

[Joe Rogan]

But from that angle, there's angles of. There's isosceles, right? There's triangular situations going on. Like

[Jamie]

they're saying. But it said in that image.

[Joe Rogan]

But it don't look like it's four sides. It looked like five side. Boom, boom, boom.

[Jamie]

It's hard to say boom. No, it could be four. It Just could be four. Because where it is, if you just reverse it, you just reverse what you're saying. So it says. Geologists refer to this formation as Cerro El Kano, attributing its sharp angles and pyramid like structure to the slow, patient work of wind, rain and erosion over countless centuries. Or someone built it. Like if you're not exploring it and you're saying that this thing that looks just like a pyramid, you think it was made by pyramid by slow, patient work of wind and rain, but there's

[Joe Rogan]

no other rock around it. Why didn't the patience happen there? This is a straight up lane.

[Jamie]

It doesn't make any sense. It's a jungle plane that looks like a person built it. Those are right angles. And it's covered with bushes. So you got to think like, what did it look like? Like when it. And they haven't gone and checked it out. I'll tell you what Luke said to me because Luke is actually an expert in this stuff. This is what he does. He goes and visits these places and he was telling me it's like this stuff is so strange because they. There's a bunch of these kind of structures that are in the jungle. All of them haven't been explored. And there's a lot of resistance. He says it's deep in uncontacted tribe land. There's a small river that can get you within the 25 mile mark. He said it's crazy out there. So it's just like you just have a really difficult time in getting to it. I mean, there's a river. They can get you within 25 miles of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, and then what?

[Jamie]

Then you got to walk through the jungle 25 miles to get there. What does it look like on Google Earth? What does it look like though? Get that. I know, but get that stupid little dot off of.

[Joe Rogan]

It's right at the border. Peru and Brazil, bro.

[Jamie]

What is. What's under there? I want to know what's under there. Boy, that does look like a pyramid, man. That looks like a pyramid that's covered

[Joe Rogan]

with bushes out in the middle of nowhere.

[Jamie]

They find all those are other ones. Yeah, look at that.

[Jesse]

There. It's in a similar line. And there's.

[Joe Rogan]

It looks like it's in a. It's in a pattern of a star in the sky.

[Jamie]

Right? Tree three.

[Joe Rogan]

Boom, boom, boom. And a nest.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's weird. Oh, here's another one. Did you see that? They think that there's a second sphinx in Egypt.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. So they've done scans of this Area where a second sphinx would be. And there's something under the sand that's the size of a sphinx.

[Joe Rogan]

Would it be next to the, to the original one?

[Jamie]

It's in the same area, like the same area. So you have your pyramids and then there's a sphinx. And on the opposite side there's another sphinx.

[Joe Rogan]

But the sphinx isn't the sphinx. It was something else. The face was something else. Right.

[Jamie]

They think, they think the face was a lion's face.

[Joe Rogan]

And then like that dog that, like dog that long, not the long snouted dog that they have.

[Jamie]

Could be. I don't think they think it's that though. I think they think it's a lion. And so there's one exactly opposite of it, I mean, and so this one. What does it look like when they show that image, the scan?

[Jesse]

I mean, I don't think there's anything there.

[Jamie]

What did the scan say?

[Jesse]

I don't.

[Jamie]

Would you scroll up? See, that's a scan. And it said something above said scans hinting at complex megastructure beneath the Giza Plateau. And so satellite images of the Giza Plateau reportedly captured this dune, which the signal processing researcher claims measures approximately 108ft tall. The first Sphinx sits slightly below the surrounding surface in a shallow depression. So it's quite possible the second Sphinx could be hidden beneath this higher mound. So it's in the right position where a second sphinx would be? Because I think side by side. By side.

[Joe Rogan]

Would they be side by side?

[Jamie]

No, I don't think so. I think they, it's like the pyramids are in the center. Sphinx going that way, Sphinx going that way. I think that's the idea. Do sphinx appear in pairs more than once? Were they looking for it? Because that's a normal like setup. Like what's the normal configuration of sphinxes? Yes, Sphinxes frequently appear in pairs in Ancient Egypt, Greek and Roman art, often acting as guardians in pairs or long avenues at temple entrances rather than as solitary monuments like the Great Sphinx.

[Joe Rogan]

That makes sense. Right, if they're facing opposite ways. Also the ones guarding the exit ones, both entrances.

[Jamie]

Exactly.

[Jesse]

Far away from each other though.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

But far in relative position to the how far the Sphinx is from the pyramids in the first place.

[Jesse]

Well then we'd have to ask like, do they appear in pairs far away from each other, not next to each other? Because that's sort of saying like they're guarding doors next to each other.

[Jamie]

Well, there's guardians, I understand, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Or just entrances. If there's two entrances, you need them.

[Jamie]

Well, let's put that into perplexity. Ask it. When sphinxes appear in pairs, what is the configuration? What is the configuration? What is the configure? What configuration? So maybe it'll tell us there and give us. Maybe they are like right next to each other and then. This doesn't make any sense. Both Egyptian art and architecture, sphinxes very often appear in pairs, usually flanking an axis, such as a road, doorway or staircase. So like two in front of a doorway, temple approaches. Rows or pairs of sphinxes commonly line the processional roads with one on each side of the central path. So usually like on two sides of a door. Gates and door with gateways and doorways. Pair of sphinx orientation idea. Modern popular writers often say one faces east, the other faces west. Okay, well, that's different.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. That's what, that's what they would have found.

[Jamie]

So it's possible that they did it in several different ways, but often in twos. So if they do have one big sphinx and there's another.

[Jesse]

But it's pulling that, it's pulling that from a Facebook post talking about this potential second one.

[Jamie]

Oh, interesting, interesting. So it might be harsh.

[Jesse]

Just a grain of salt with it is also right.

[Jamie]

We won't know until they get in there. But if they. If it is there and it's just understand that's not that big of a deal because they had to uncover this one when this one.

[Joe Rogan]

How long does it take to excavate these things?

[Jamie]

I'll take a while. I mean, it's a lot of sand, like, but it depends on how many. 10 years, how many machines. Also, they have to do it carefully. Oh, make sure you don't fuck up the sphinx. But if there is a sphinx under there, that would be fucking nuts. They found a second sphinx and they dug it out. They're like, oh, shit, look at that sphinx. Ooh, today with one today, the nurturer. That's weird. What a weird head. Like, it's got pointy ears. Right, right. Those ears pointy or is that just where the hair goes?

[Jesse]

Hair.

[Jamie]

How weird.

[Jesse]

Fail.

[Jamie]

Well, maybe it was a chick and they're like, nah, make it my face.

[Jesse]

One big breast.

[Jamie]

Yeah. One hard one.

[Joe Rogan]

Arm is jacked.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I don't like it a little too much.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, take a recall. Three breasts if you want.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Isn't it weird that we like two, but we don't like three?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Now three is.

[Jamie]

Three is gross because it's weird.

[Joe Rogan]

That middle part. You don't. You don't you want the separation natural. You don't want like a third. Just. It's like a.

[Jamie]

You know how old girl would have to be to pull off a third tit? It'd be like, I think I like it. I didn't like it when I first met her, but now I really like it. Why not?

[Joe Rogan]

Why not? We're in the future. Total Recall.

[Jamie]

But if it was normal to have three boobs, that's what we would like. That's what's weird. Like the female shape, the desired female shape. Like the fertility doll shape. It's. It's very weird how that could have been a bunch of different shapes. Like for an ant, it's something a little honey on its ass.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. But this is also a thing. Why are we so obsessed with ass? I know. I am obsessed with an ass. And shit comes from it. Like you shit horrible things from your ass, but yet I love looking at that ass.

[Jamie]

People are complex.

[Joe Rogan]

And I dream of biting that ass. Like why, when I know fecal comes from it.

[Jamie]

People are confusing. We're confusing to each other.

[Jesse]

Other.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm confused at myself.

[Jamie]

You should be.

[Joe Rogan]

I really am. But I love myself. Mike Tyson told me to never speak bad about myself because my conscious doesn't. My subconscious doesn't know whether I'm joking or not.

[Jamie]

Right. Ooh, that's wise.

[Joe Rogan]

I think he heard that from Bruce Lee, though. I'm not gonna lie. I heard Bruce Lee say that on some recently. I was like, damn, Mike. And then I heard Bruce Lee say it.

[Jamie]

There's something true to that for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no doubt.

[Jamie]

No doubt. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I always call myself a jerk or a schmuck. I'm not.

[Jamie]

What's this, Jamie?

[Jesse]

I'm looking at the oldest known pictures of the Sphinx.

[Jamie]

This is the oldest known. So part of it's still underground somewhere

[Jesse]

around 1850 to 1860.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jesse]

I'm trying to find the year on this was actually 1892.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nuts.

[Jesse]

It looks so strange.

[Jamie]

The whole thing's so strange. Man. That place is so old. Just even if you just go by what they think, which is 4,500 years ago, they built this thing. That's so crazy. That's so fucking long ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, now they're gonna have Rico Verhoeven and. And who else fight there, right?

[Jamie]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Usyk and Usyk and fucking Verhoeven fight there.

[Jamie]

That's nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

That's kind of bugged out.

[Jamie]

It is kind of bugged out.

[Joe Rogan]

But I like the idea of using the backdrop no, the Natural Arenas. Natural Wonders Arena. We should have it in Rome. We should have it.

[Jamie]

You know, by the way, it's hot as well as out there.

[Joe Rogan]

It's in the sandstorms.

[Jamie]

What are they going to do?

[Joe Rogan]

How's this going to work?

[Jesse]

Right.

[Jamie]

What if there's a sandstorm in the middle of the fight? They get sand in their eyes, they're swinging blind.

[Joe Rogan]

They tried to do it in Times Square. It was a mess.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that didn't work out so well. The fights weren't that good either. Except Tiafimo Tfimo fought really well.

[Joe Rogan]

You got to have. You got to bring the right people.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Someone was saying that it's almost like they're paying them so much. These guys are scared to lose that They're. They're. You know what I mean? Like, that was the argument about that. That Times Square car.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

Because the Saudis came in and they just went throwing that.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't like rap, huh?

[Jamie]

And they probably do.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they haven't hollered at me. Oh, man, I don't think I would go there. Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing the Middle East. I'd be interesting to see. It'd be interesting to see all these places, man. I've been to a lot of places on earth, but never over there.

[Jamie]

I've been to Dubai briefly for a UFC weigh in, and the ufc, which was in Abu Dhabi. So I've been there for that and it was great. That was a long time ago, but obviously it was the best possible conditions there with the ufc. Staying in a nice hotel. A lot of money over there, man. I'll tell you that. Like, when you're in Dubai, and this was quite a while ago, so Dubai is even crazier now. I mean, the construction there is just nuts. It's just so, like, high tech and everything's beautiful and no crime.

[Joe Rogan]

Looks like it. Seems like a great place to be. Yeah, I know.

[Jamie]

People would have moved to Dubai just because there's no crime.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but there's no hash either. Yeah, right. There's hash, but they're not letting you smoke it, bro.

[Jamie]

You get caught with that, you go to jail forever.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're the ones who have been making it for millions of years. What the hell?

[Jamie]

I know. Isn't that crazy?

[Joe Rogan]

What are they doing? They're keeping it for themselves.

[Jamie]

I wonder why they make it so illegal over there. It doesn't make sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

You know, because if they didn't. I wonder if they're just worried about, like, People behaving foolishly because they don't have any tolerance for fucking around over there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you fucking see Amsterdam. That place is a goddamn mess when it comes to weed. Even then, since they made weed legal in America, in some places, it's a fucking. It's a. It's a carnival. It's terrible. It makes it happen.

[Jamie]

Amsterdam is.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. Just places in America also. Like New York, now that weed is legal. It's disgraceful.

[Jamie]

In what way?

[Joe Rogan]

Just the culture. Like, people smoking weed and fucking in the street.

[Jamie]

Like, openly.

[Joe Rogan]

Not just openly, but, like obnoxiously. Like, everything is obnoxious.

[Jamie]

Like, weed smoke everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not just that. It's just the way it's done is obnoxious.

[Jamie]

It's just like, we could finally do it legally.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, let's fucking go. Let's be real stupid about it.

[Jamie]

Do you think that that'll eventually settle down and this is just because it's a new thing that's legal?

[Joe Rogan]

Probably, I think so. It's really not even the people who, like, you know, it's not like I'm a connoisseur of smoking weed, but I kind of am.

[Jamie]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

And I like to do it in a certain way, but I'm not judging how anyone else does it. But I feel like my way is best.

[Jamie]

I hear what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice and chill.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Chilling in the crib.

[Jamie]

You don't want to annoy other people with it. That's the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

Not having to be like old school. Back in the day, I used to come into class smelling, like, the most weed that I possibly could because that was what I was trying to exude. I was trying to be cool. Come in smelling like the.

[Jamie]

You have your friends blow it on you.

[Joe Rogan]

Blow it on me, bro. You go in and you're like, whoa, who's fucking smelling? That was like, some rush, right? Being in class and that happened, like. And you're all stoned and shit in the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

It worked out for you.

[Joe Rogan]

It did.

[Jamie]

A lot of people probably thought it wouldn't though, right?

[Joe Rogan]

There's no doubt about it. It right. Are you kidding me?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

My. I've been sold short my whole life.

[Jamie]

It'd be funny, too. There people that had a bad opinion of it back then, and they look at you now like, boy, did I call that one wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Just in general, man. Like, I did all right. I did all right. I've been reflecting a lot under the stars and in nature.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I'm just overlanding.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, when I'm not overlanding now. I'm camping. Now I'm camped now I'm at camp base.

[Jamie]

Camp ground.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm grounding. Take my shoes off. Feel the grass.

[Jamie]

Dude, I went down a crazy space rabbit hole last night. I was going down this, this rabbit hole of black holes. And you remember, Jamie, I told you about that black hole that they found that's as big as our galaxy.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Not, not our galaxy, excuse me, our solar system. They found a black hole that is so big that it's bigger than from here all the way to Pluto. Well, they found one now that's bigger than our galaxy. They found a black hole that's larger than the. I think it's called Phoenix A. See if we can find the Phoenix a black hole if it's larger than the galaxy.

[Joe Rogan]

There's really no measurement of what this is to even think about you saying, yo, it's bigger than our galaxy. What the fuck?

[Jamie]

What the fuck does that mean? The way this person in this video was explaining it, it's so insane. Because the amount of time that it would take for a black hole to suck in that much matter, to become that massive, there's not enough time since the birth of the universe. That's what they're. So they're confused as to how it's formed. They're like, well, maybe we're wrong about how these things are formed. It's roughly 100 times larger than the distance between the sun and Pluto, with a diameter of roughly 590 billion kilometers. Unlike many supermassive black holes that inhabit star that inhibit star formation, Phoenix A is currently in a phase of rapid growth, consuming enough matter to grow about 60 solar masses per year. This activity drives high rates of star formation in its surrounding galaxy. Fuck.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there any way to diagnose this black hole from here? Can we see it through any telescope? Any high powered thing?

[Jamie]

Well, they detected it, but I don't understand how they detect it.

[Joe Rogan]

But any of them. Can we see any of them in

[Jamie]

real time, really see a black hole? What you see is everything around the black hole getting sucked into it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, you see some sort of like weird movement? No.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Jesse]

I thought you were headed towards this. I saw this within the last couple of days.

[Jamie]

Anton Petrov.

[Jesse]

No, no. The Milky Way lives in this thing called a void that is like a black hole, but it's like 2 billion light years across and we're in the middle of it. What like, look at that picture is like a, you know, example of what that would be, be wow.

[Joe Rogan]

There's nothing else around us that's perfect.

[Jamie]

So is that circle supposed to be the Milky Way?

[Jesse]

That. Yeah, that would be the Milky Way.

[Jamie]

That's the galaxy.

[Jesse]

And then there's it. A billion light years to.

[Jamie]

But that's that.

[Jesse]

I know. Graphic again. It's like not the best. Earth is in the Milky Way. So it's showing you that.

[Jamie]

Okay, so the Milky Way is just in the center of a void. Is that uncommon?

[Jesse]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Jamie]

That's the thing. It's like. Are all these galaxies in the center of a void? But just the idea that there's a supermassive black hole out there that's a hundred times more massive or 100 times larger than the distance between Earth and Pluto. Like what? What?

[Joe Rogan]

This is why we have to be smoking weed in front of a green screen talking about this and having weird people come on and comment.

[Jamie]

Do you. Have you been paying attention to this news about these UFO researchers and scientists that have gone missing?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah. What do you think of that? That.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you listen? Don't top doctors go missing? Don't tap physicists go missing. Don't astronaut. All these people were in facts, you know, power positions. Not even just position of high intelligence knowledge. Yeah, they go bye bye. The best heart surgeons on earth. Seven of them were on the same plane that went down. What do you know? The best. Whatever. Whatever. They just found the cure for cancer. These 10 doctors, they're on a PJ to fucking who the hell knows where and they go down.

[Jesse]

Jesse wrote a good write up about them all that I think explains the angle we would prefer to hear about, you know like conspiracies and UFOs and stuff.

[Jamie]

So he thinks it's a conspiracy? No, he's laying out the possibility of it being correct.

[Jesse]

And at least from that angle it's

[Joe Rogan]

just crazy that all these top doctors and top things and physicists and just like these people just disappear here.

[Jamie]

One of them was a general who's also. He's the generals. No, he's the key. He was.

[Jesse]

He was in charge of I think the UFO program.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Jesse]

If there's one.

[Jamie]

If there is one. But if you did. Didn't he just leave the house with just a gun?

[Jesse]

I don't. Yeah, that's on the screen. What he left with.

[Jamie]

He took a red backpack, his wallet and a.38 caliber revolver.

[Jesse]

Left behind his phone.

[Jamie]

He left behind his phone. His wife reported him missing within three hours despite FBI involvement. Air Force Office of Special Investigations, search dogs, drones helicopters, horseback teams, flir sweeps and 700 canvas households. No confirmed sightings of McCasland has ever surfaced. Surveillance cameras covered both ends of his street. None captured his direction of travel. After weeks of searching, the only item return recovered was a gray Air Force sweatshirt a mile east of his house. Testig could not confirm it was his.

[Jesse]

He was the first one to appear

[Jamie]

and then sort of hair came off.

[Jesse]

He was the first one to disappear and then another one disappeared and they're like they actually might have worked together. And then like every other day it's like now another one and another one and another one.

[Jamie]

Also if you knew something that the whole world didn't know, like if you knew the human race was just a bunch of soul containers for some super advanced alien race that just uses us as a farm.

[Jesse]

Yeah, here's.

[Jamie]

And you're like what's the purpose his

[Jesse]

name pops up is because his name was in the.

[Joe Rogan]

Just an empty body with fucking aliens hosting us.

[Jamie]

Hacked emails from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta revealed correspondence from Tom DeLong naming McCaslin directly. DeLonge. I'm saying it wrong.

[Jesse]

Tom DeLong.

[Jamie]

DeLong. DeLong wrote that McCasland helped assemble his advisory team, was deeply aware what DeLong was trying to achieve, had received a four hour briefing on the project. DeLong added that McCasland ran the laboratory at Wright Patterson where the Roswell material was shipped. But that's all speculation. What's part the Roswell material?

[Joe Rogan]

Keep talking. Roswell and this and that. There's so much. Why, why, why is it always like focused on that?

[Jamie]

On. Say it again.

[Jesse]

He did run it. Was in charge of the Air Force lab at. Right Pat. That's why it's linked to the Roswell material. That could be the Roswell, could be the part you put in parentheses. But he did run that lab.

[Jamie]

It's all very interesting because that is the lore was that that's where the wreckage was shipped but.

[Jesse]

And then that the one we talked about yesterday, Monica Reza, I looked her up. She is known for being on a patent of some super metal alloy. I was looking that up yesterday. That doesn't mean anything specifically but this

[Jamie]

is the lady that vanished, right? She was the lady that was hiking her friend turned around, saw her, kept hiking, said something to her, kept hiking, turned around a little while later and she was gone. No one ever found her.

[Jesse]

Co invented an alloy called Mondaloy which is used in rocket engines currently.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on.

[Jamie]

And maybe working on some new maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean those people who got Those patents through all those metal. Like the fucking guy who got the patent to the clip that turns the gun into an automatic or the. That's that shit, right? Those little components turn bigger component, bigger things into like super situation.

[Jamie]

Well, this is like a crazy alloy for spaceships.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it just kind of weird.

[Jamie]

Of course, but it's kind of weird that that lady is a lady that goes missing. So if you were a competitor country, I could see why you'd want to take out one of those scientists, you know, Definitely. If you were involved in another industry that might be harmed by her work. Like if her work would make your work obsolete, you might want to get rid of her.

[Joe Rogan]

Get rid of her. That's right.

[Jamie]

Look, that's always happened. People have always done that. You can't take it out of the equation. You got to thoroughly investigate.

[Joe Rogan]

This is. It's. It's a. It's a story as old as time.

[Jamie]

It is, right?

[Joe Rogan]

You get rid of one person, the next one comes in, if they're threatening to you, they go, bye, bye.

[Jamie]

Especially in big business like rocket engines and alloys and space travel and something

[Joe Rogan]

as small as fucking numbers betting. They kill you for betting numbers. They're not gonna kill you for that. Mm,

[Jesse]

truth.

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing but truth, man.

[Jamie]

Well, listen, brother, thanks for being here. Tell us everybody one more time your

[Joe Rogan]

album gives a fuck.

[Jamie]

Come on, dog. We do.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not here for that, but I'm just here to say hello.

[Jamie]

I'm gonna like to get people to check it out because you think they're

[Joe Rogan]

gonna give a shit.

[Jamie]

I think they will.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They like your fucking planet, Frog. Coming out real soon, man. We drop it now. Yo, you already know that. Hype shit.

[Jamie]

Hype shit.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I got all kinds of things. I got many projects on the way for the year.

[Jamie]

Fuck, that's delicious.

[Joe Rogan]

Always. That's always going down.

[Jamie]

Always.

[Joe Rogan]

You know that, boy.

[Jamie]

Shout out to kg. Barbecue. Yo.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on. Made him. Made him a star. Yeah, that was a good workout.

[Jamie]

KG or kb?

[Joe Rogan]

Kg.

[Jamie]

Kg. Yeah. Okay. I wanted to make sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Like I said, I'm not. I just want to come and work out with you and just fucking chill, kick it. Talk some fucking fights.

[Jamie]

Anytime, sir. Yeah, anytime.

[Joe Rogan]

Time. That's it.

[Jamie]

It's always fun to hang with you.

[Joe Rogan]

You too, bro.

[Jamie]

Come on, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

Like I said, I don't give a. About my album, that everything else. I'm here for a good time.

[Jamie]

Well, it was a good time.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Jamie]

Appreciate you always.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Jamie]

All right. Bye, everybody.