#2498 - Brendan Schaub

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2498 – Brendan Schaub

Date: May 13, 2026
Guest: Brendan Schaub
Host: Joe Rogan

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Episode Overview

In this laidback, wide-ranging conversation, Joe Rogan and fellow comedian/podcaster and ex-UFC heavyweight Brendan Schaub dive deep into the latest in combat sports, the current state of the UFC, fighter pay and gambling controversies, the psychology and business of fighting, and finish the show with an extended geeking-out over high-performance cars and car culture. They blend insight, blunt honesty, and humor, often switching from serious discussions about athlete welfare to lighthearted riffing about cars, cigars, and social media.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. UFC Fights & Standout Performances

• Joshua Van & UFC Youth Movement
  • Joe and Brendan discuss Joshua Van's meteoric rise, his striking skills, and youth at 24.
  • Concerns about his ground game but excitement about his ceiling.
  • “His boxing, it might be the best in the UFC… It's up there.” – Schaub (00:54)
  • Pantoja’s age as a flyweight champion signals an eventual generational change.
• The Sean Strickland vs. Khamzat Chimaev Title Fight
  • Breakdown of the fight – Strickland's durability, underdog mentality, and how he was overlooked.
  • Both fighters' compromised health: Khamzat’s brutal weight cut and Strickland’s injured shoulder.
  • “I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. That guy… he knows how to survive… He almost threw Hamzat later in the fight… he ain't easy for anybody.” – Schaub (15:55)
  • Dissection of how greatness doesn’t only come from athletic freaks, but also “blue-collar” tough, relentless workers.

2. Fight Judging and the Subjectivity Problem

• Commentary on how wrestling/culturally-biased backgrounds affect judging and fan takes.
• Eddie Bravo’s historical approach to objective fight stats.
• “You always gotta take it with a little bit of grain of salt when those guys… heavy wrestlers, if there’s wrestling.” – Rogan (25:25)

3. Fighter Pay, Gambling, and the UFC Business Model

• Discussion of abnormal betting patterns and the UFC's increased scrutiny after previous gambling scandals.
• The complex, often toxic relationship between fight fans, betting, and social media hate.
• “Fighter pay” debate: Why are fighters underpaid given UFC’s multi-billion-dollar deals?
  • Candid back-and-forth on business models, profit, shareholder realities, and the moral imperative to pay fighters more.
  • “You are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business… That's why I don’t think we should look at it like any other business.” – Rogan (65:01)
• Schaub’s hypothetical: Fighters collectively refusing to sign bouts after a big TV deal until revenue split improves.
• Obstacles to unionizing and why fighters often undermine collective action.

4. Training Philosophies, Genetics vs. Hard Work

• Debate over best camp training practices: “cardio from your sport” vs. overly complex, data-driven programs.
  • Praises for Merab Dvalishvili’s and Aljamain Sterling’s meat-and-potatoes training.
• Insightful anecdotes about GSP, BJ Penn, Jon Jones – all-time greats with differing approaches and natural talents.
• The pitfalls of relying on genetics vs. the grind of relentless practice – and the dangers of pushing “natural” talents too hard, especially at youth levels.

5. Combat Sports Media Landscape: Content & Streaming

• Comparisons between UFC and other fight leagues (PFL, Bellator, Netflix’s event ambitions).
• How the market is shifting to massive streaming platforms, and the business logic behind “volume” vs. “event” deals.
• “Netflix did not want the small fights... They only wanted the big ones.” – Schaub (83:27)
• The challenge of building stars versus casual fan engagement – and why UFC’s event experience is unrivaled.

6. Modern Media, Social Niche, and Internet Fame

• How fake engagement, bots, clippers, and niche streaming foster “false” stardom.
• Concerns about technology and social media addiction, especially for young people.
• “If you think social media is bad for your health… Oh my God, dude.” – Rogan (100:16)
• Parallels between the social media era and historic public health crises (like cigarettes).

7. Car Culture Deep Dive

• The latter part of the podcast is a car enthusiast’s delight.
• Favorite cars: Old and new Porsches (Gunther Werks, air vs. water cooled, LS swaps), Cadillacs (CT5-V Blackwing), Dodge Hellcats & Durangos, Hennessey builds, and classic vs. modern supercars.
• The joys and pitfalls of modifying vehicles, challenges of modern ECU tuning, value retention, and why “driving engagement” often means less horsepower and more connection.
• “There's so much enjoyment in just driving, shifting your own gears...” – Rogan (117:04)
• Practical car advice from Facebook Marketplace bargains to reasons for electric cars’ tire wear.

8. Parenting, Youth Sports, and Obsession

• The dangers of parental over-investment in children’s sports and the loss of fun.
• Schaub shares coaching experiences and advice to overbearing parents.
• “Their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete.” – Rogan (154:10)
• Reflections on addiction, channeling obsession positively, and personal regulation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the realities of UFC stardom and Strickland’s journey:
  “All of you listening… are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes.” – Rogan (17:37)

• On judging and commentary bias:
  “If your intention is to score the fight, you don’t have to be entertaining…” – Rogan (23:37)

• On why modern fight fans are more toxic:
  “That’s why it's so toxic now, because your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money.” – Rogan (11:56)

• On streaming and social media addiction:
  “We know it’s not good, so we’re just going to continue to go down this shit road?” – Rogan (101:13)

• On fighter pay injustice:
  “I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm… I think they should be compensated more.” – Rogan (66:54) “If I owned the UFC, I would not feel good if people didn’t feel compensated correctly.” – Rogan (80:36)

• On classic car culture versus modern supercars:
  “The difference in driving a nice car is like… you are at Disneyland… shifting your own gears. It’s fun.” – Rogan (117:04)

• On the reason kids lose their passion for sports:
  “You've made it a job for him. You f—d up, dude.” – Schaub (153:06)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:15–05:10: Joshua Van, UFC youth, big fight weekend recap
• 10:45–13:58: Betting scandals, integrity, and toxicity in MMA fandom
• 15:41–20:33: Strickland-Chimaev fight breakdown, grit, and overcoming adversity
• 25:25–27:21: Judging, commentator bias, old-school fight scoring
• 43:00–46:49: Natural talent vs. hard work, “freaks” of MMA history
• 65:01–68:53: Detailed fighter pay debate; UFC business realities
• 72:03–85:24: The evolution of the live event business model, comedy club vs. UFC, Netflix vs. Paramount negotiations
• 94:00–100:16: Influence gaming, fake engagement, and streaming culture’s impact
• 116:19–126:39: Car culture euphemisms, old-school vs. new-school performance, Facebook Marketplace bargains
• 153:06–156:06: Youth sports, parenting gone wrong, obsession and regulation

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode maintains a classic “JRE” relaxed, conversational tone—serious and passionate when discussing fighter safety and business, irreverent and comedic when riffing on cars, social media, and the absurdities of modern culture. Both hosts are candid, opinionated, empathetic, and relatable, seamlessly blending expert analysis with their unique brand of humor.

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For New Listeners

This episode delivers a thorough, honest, and entertaining deep dive into the state of combat sports, especially the UFC, with side quests into sports gambling, the ethics and business of fighting, and a full fandom on cars and mechanical obsession. Whether you're a fight fan, car guy, or just love the classic Rogan/Schaub banter, you'll find a blend of insight, controversy, and relatable laughs.

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hey.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey. What's up, brother?

[Brendan Schaub]

My man. Good.

[Joe Rogan]

What's going on?

[Brendan Schaub]

This is a good time for you to come in, man. Right after this weekend, brother. Bro, for. I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland Hamza fight and the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro, how good is Joshua Van?

[Joe Rogan]

And he's only been fighting about five years. That's what's scary. Crazy. Five years crazy. And he has some holes, for sure, that. That certain guys are gonna, you know, expose. But five, think how he's not the

[Brendan Schaub]

best on the ground.

[Joe Rogan]

He's also 24.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's all 24. Yeah. Crazy athlete. But his boxing, it might be the best in the ufc.

[Joe Rogan]

It's up there.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's up.

[Joe Rogan]

Him or Ilia?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, well, Ilya. The thing about Ilya is. Ilya is one punch. Night, night. That's the difference.

[Joe Rogan]

It's tough at Flyway to be a

[Brendan Schaub]

knockout artist, but then also Josh Davison Figueiredo. True, true. He was starching people. He was.

[Joe Rogan]

But with Josh, too, again, he's 24, but in Tatsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches with his father face. Well, that's the other thing. Like, his defense was so bad.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think he was that. Joshua Van's offense was so good.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what? I think it's combo of both.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it's a combo. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because Tyra is primarily a grappler. I mean, he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter, and he did strike. I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just the counters came so clean, so sharp. Like, I re. Watched some of it today, and I was like, good Lord, that's pretty.

[Joe Rogan]

So good.

[Brendan Schaub]

He looks so Good.

[Joe Rogan]

And again, 20, 24. 4.

[Brendan Schaub]

And, you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but the. The. Not. Not me. I'm sure not you. But there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered because Pantosia's a.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at that.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. How would he do against Pantoja?

[Brendan Schaub]

Hey, man. But again, his stock went up after this fight, I'll tell you that. Look, it was. It was always up, Right? But Tyra was a real threat. Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Van pieced him up on the feet, man.

[Joe Rogan]

But again at 24. So let's say they do the Pantoja rematch, whatever, Q4, and let's say Pantoja gets that win. All good. He's 24.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

He's going to be your champ for a very long time.

[Brendan Schaub]

And how long. How old is Alexandre Pantoja at this point?

[Joe Rogan]

Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, flyweight's tough.

[Jamie]

36.

[Brendan Schaub]

36. That's tough. That's tough. If he was a middleweight, he'd be like, that's the beginning of the slide, right? That's the beginning of the slide. For welterweight, you're like, ooh, yeah. But it flyweight. Oh, bro, it's crazy. Yeah. Heavyweight is, like, always in his prime.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, we're cooking at Francis. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Francis is like 38 or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is it 38? Yeah. Francis is in his fucking prime.

[Joe Rogan]

Flyweight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Nobody looks at Francis and goes eyes over the hill.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, never.

[Brendan Schaub]

Not at all.

[Joe Rogan]

No. There's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing. Especially now the heavyweight divisions.

[Brendan Schaub]

How old, Volkov?

[Joe Rogan]

59.

[Brendan Schaub]

Honestly, I used to train with Volkov

[Joe Rogan]

back in the day.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. He was a Bellator champion. M1 champion. He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Remember he had in Bellator and when he first got the ufc, he had that Moana tattoo on his back.

[Brendan Schaub]

Stingray, and he changed it to that Japanese mask.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I like, this one looks dope.

[Brendan Schaub]

The new one looks so dope.

[Joe Rogan]

I like to think I'm the one that kind of bullied him into doing that, because I. It's all I ever talked about for, like, six years. When he fought and he comes out just this dope ass samurai tattoo, I'm

[Brendan Schaub]

like, yeah, well, sometimes you realize, like, this ain't making it. I got to fix this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Especially that people like, bro, why do you have a fucking stingray on your back, bro?

[Brendan Schaub]

Speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have? That motherfucker's feet are tattooed, bro. Like, his entire body's tattoo.

[Joe Rogan]

How good did he.

[Brendan Schaub]

Phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

This thing might, you know.

[Brendan Schaub]

Phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights, and I. MMA's tough, dude. MMA's tough to pick.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I. I told my brother, like, literally, put your mortgage on Sean Brady, because Joaquin Buckley did an interview like, a week before was like, I'm not working on grappling. I'm not wrestling or grappling. I'm just gonna keep this thing standing knock this out. I was like, oh buddy, no way.

[Brendan Schaub]

He really said that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you can find it out there.

[Brendan Schaub]

But that could have been tactic to try to get Sean Brady. Cuz Sean Brady probably saw that interview too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And was like cool. Say less and just.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know, But I mean 10, seven

[Joe Rogan]

rounds, three of them.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know it was nuts. But I mean you could say that.

[Joe Rogan]

I get, I hear you.

[Brendan Schaub]

If you were just playing mental games, I get you. But maybe he actually did that and it appeared so. It. Well, hard to say because that's how good Sean Brady is. Hard to say.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just tough when you lose like that because you go back to the, you go back to the locker room, you're like, we're not even in the same ballpark.

[Brendan Schaub]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Like I'm. What am I going to do? You look at your coach staff, you go, what are we going to do? I thought I was a top five guy, right. I just got beat 10, six, three. Three rounds in a row.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay. I was, I was going to bring this up so I have some insight to this. So there was a very strange betting behavior. It says it turns out to be meaningless. Bet online cited abnormal betting patterns as buckley moved from plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight. So this is what happened. There was money that moved very quickly before the fight. And the UFC obviously, because they've been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and the FBI investigated it, they got concerned. And so I believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online so you couldn't bet big money anymore. I don't know what the, let's find out what the cap they put on it was. But then you, they, they were going to go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So this was the fear. The fear was that some inside camp word got out Sean Brady's got an injury and then all the money jumps up. Because that, a lot of times that's what happens.

[Joe Rogan]

But they, they did it right? Because I before they just cancel the fight. Like we don't know what's going on. Rashin can fight. No, just take the fight off the betting sites.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, they only did that one time. They did that one time with the. Alexander Hernandez. I don't remember who he's fighting. I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting. But they did that with that fight. And I thought that was really crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

They asked Alexander like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. Like, I am planning on winning this fight. But for some reason, he became an underdog.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, nothing came out from it either.

[Brendan Schaub]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I. I wish they'd be a little more transparent. Like, hey, we look into it. It's our bat, this, you know? But they just cancel the fight. And so everyone.

[Brendan Schaub]

Now we just assume something happened.

[Joe Rogan]

Something happened. Somebody's being dirty.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. But then Hernandez fought again and lost his next fight. Who did he fight? He fought someone on a fight night. It was a very good fight, very close fight. The dude was very good.

[Joe Rogan]

But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. Oh, Michael Johnson.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was supposed to be Michael Johnson, but they didn't have that fight. And then who did he fight next instead? So let's just go over this real quick. Before we figured out who he fought amid suspicious betting movement. So what. But what is suspicious betting movement? Like, what if you and your boys all go it. I'm going all in. And you just decide to bet a hundred thousand dollars on Buckley?

[Joe Rogan]

Will that change it that dramatically? I think we're talking according to this.

[Jamie]

I think it said that they had certain. They have. I think they have certain accounts that they knew.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, were shady. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Not shady, but, I mean, they might be particular whales or whatever that are certain betters that always were betting, you know, $200,000 a fight or whatever. And maybe one or two of them changed.

[Joe Rogan]

Two of the judges scored that fight.

[Jamie]

Trying to see 30, 25 abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts.

[Brendan Schaub]

Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting, bro. You better get a new account.

[Joe Rogan]

Figure it out.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're on to you. But it just said that they called

[Jamie]

Sean Brady here at the bottom, I was gonna point out. So someone called him to let him know, and he's like, well, I'm fine.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it. He goes, I'm gonna beat the. Out of this guy. What are you talking about? Yeah, you're good to go.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think that's what Alexander Hernandez said, too.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a bummer.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it is a bummer.

[Joe Rogan]

We can also understand. You can also understand from the UFC standpoint being like. Because it. When it happened, especially then they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah, no, they're in a bad spot right now with that. Because until that gets resolved, the. Look, the fight game has always been connected to shady people.

[Joe Rogan]

Always.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's the Marlon Brando movie On the Waterfront. That could have been a contender.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know? Yeah, it's.

[Jamie]

That's who he lost to.

[Brendan Schaub]

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[Joe Rogan]

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[Brendan Schaub]

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[Joe Rogan]

But I but I think too back to the betting. I think that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters getting so much hate. Because if you you know you have a nine to five and you make $1,000 a week and you put 500 on, say, Hamzat.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he loses that 500. That's why it's so toxic now, because, yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money. So I think that's why fighters getting so much more hate these days than they did. Even when I was fighting, betting was an.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Hoffa? Why am I saying it wrong?

[Joe Rogan]

Feel like it's Rafa.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think so, too. I think I want Brazilian on me. I get it from it there. Yeah, that you made a real good point about the betting. Because that's why people are getting so upset, because they are betting money on it. It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want. And now it's like Poly Market and all these different things. You could bet on, you know, Anything, anything, anything, anything. How about that fucking soldier that got busted? He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, if you don't. But my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting on his team to win, right? This dude was betting on his fucking team to win, right? Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a pardon, you're out your goddamn mind. Well, that guy's awesome.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a weird one. That's a weird one. Um, but I mean, why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like that, bro, that's crazy. Like, if you get mad at that people, what a hypocrite.

[Joe Rogan]

You're also dealing with.

[Brendan Schaub]

Get mad at that guy, Special Forces guy, who.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not like they're compensated that great. And he was like, oh, I'm gonna bet the house that we fucking get this idiot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right? And by the way, he's betting on himself because it didn't have to happen.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Brendan Schaub]

Didn't have to work. They could have all got killed.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like Pete Rose too. It's like keeping out of hall of fame. I think they're let him in now that he died, but.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, great. Yeah, cool, that helps.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you. But it's also like, he never bet against his team. It's pretty gangster.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know if that's true.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm pretty sure I don't know that shit.

[Brendan Schaub]

I read something online.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brendan Schaub]

He Might have his team at least at one on one game. I don't know if that's true though. I'm room for Pete Rose, but I just read something. I mean, they might have been a Pete Rose hater.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I thought. That's what, that's what, that's what.

[Brendan Schaub]

I mean, if he only betted for his team, I feel like that should be legal.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying. That's like this Special forces guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

What you're trying to win harder. You're trying to win harder because you want money. Yeah, that would be good.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially force. Like, dude, you're really into this. He's like, yeah, dude, I got a million bucks right on this.

[Brendan Schaub]

No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team. There you go. The Cincinnati Reds, though there's some speculation. All official speculation. I must have read speculation. I mean, what the say Persona believes. Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point. John Dowd said. But even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. So if I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter, I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player. Why not? You're just betting to win now. Betting to lose. Different story, different story. But bet. So if you're just saying, is that because you can't tell them how to bet? Like if you're going to let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want. Like, man, I don't know if I'm win this fight. I'm going to try, I'm going to try, but I think I might lose. So let me just see if I can make a little extra money just in case I lose. Say, well, I try my hardest. I lost, but still made some money. Made some money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's good, that's good. It just opens a can of worms you don't want to deal with. Well, the problem is nobody's been right

[Brendan Schaub]

because then what if you want, like I won, yeah, but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself like an idiot. Yeah, right.

[Joe Rogan]

You made no money this fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

You have to be a fucking psycho like to try to win, knowing this going to cost you money. Like your whole camp, paying your fucking trainers, your manager, everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking nightmare. What's like the, the Hamza Strickland fight, you and I, right? When that fight got announced, we text each other and I went, good fight, good fight. I know everyone's gonna, you know, Hamzat's a big favorite, but we both went. I don't know, man. I can see.

[Brendan Schaub]

I was. I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. I was like, that guy is the captain of the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man, and he knows how to survive. He can survive. And the thing about Hamza is if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not ex. Not expand a lot of energy like you did with Druckus. That's an issue. You can't do that with Sean. Sean is not going to sit still. He's very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grappling. Super underrated. You know, we saw he almost threw Hamzat like later in the fight, you know, and he did wind up on top multiple times. Like, it's. He ain't easy for anybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Far from it.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he had a blown out shoulder.

[Joe Rogan]

Boom. That's the other thing. Everyone's like, well, you know, Hamzat was compromised because the weight cut. It's like, hold on.

[Brendan Schaub]

Sean had one arm.

[Joe Rogan]

Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamzat. No one to talk about that. The most significant punch was in the second round. Yeah, he flash knocks out hom and homs.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's like. And he probably jolted his shoulder with

[Joe Rogan]

pain and still defended.

[Brendan Schaub]

Noticed he was doing this at the beginning of the fight. He. Before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm. So he's warming up, he's doing this. But he kept doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's what I do. If my shoulders hurt. To see how hurt it is. How does it feel?

[Joe Rogan]

Feel the range?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. How's it feel? And he was only going to here. He was only going to hear. He kept doing, but deadpan killer look on his face.

[Joe Rogan]

That still won.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's my thing about still fought.

[Brendan Schaub]

What a lot of guys would have pulled out. A lot of guys would have said, I can't use my arm. I'm pulling out.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland too, now that he won, people are like, oh, is he a hall of famer? 1,000%. 100.

[Brendan Schaub]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland too, it's like, he's gonna be a bigger star now more than ever. I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger. The thing about Strickland is. He's the guy that's not supposed to be here. Like everyone when we talk about, you know, Chechnyan or Dagestanians or wherever these war tone countries are from, and they're like, this is the only way they made it out, dude. Strickland grew up a poor white kid in America. Disenfranchised dude, had a abusive father. The odds are so against Strickland. So against Strickland. And this beat arguably the best strike in middleweight division of all time when Izzy Adesanya beat him at striking, at striking in Australia. And then they give him arguably the best grappler of all time, middleweight division, and he beats him. So he. We're all, all of you listening. All you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. He's a blue collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 44. He doesn't have a 40 inch vertical. He.

[Brendan Schaub]

He got one bad leg. He from a motorcycle accident. It almost ruined his whole career.

[Joe Rogan]

I get chills talking about, dude. He, he's a, he's the guy. He's that blue collar guy, through hard work, is a hall of famer, Bonafide hall of Famer and beat two of the greatest middleweights of all time. And was under in, in all the sites. He's an underdog. Fluffy underdog. DDP underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight. Hamza under massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog.

[Brendan Schaub]

Second fight with, with ddp. He fucked his shoulder up too. Driving a dirt bike like a psychopath. Crazy. Crashed his dirt bike, his shoulder up. And they told him you had a fight, so you had to take the fight. So you had to take the fight with a fucked up shoulder. And if one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in this fight, I noticed it was they were awkward sometimes. Sometimes they just looked weird, like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something.

[Joe Rogan]

He compromised.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes, 100%. And I saw some of that in the second Strickland, second DDP fight, you know, where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird, you know, which sometimes he does anyway because he goes around the guards.

[Joe Rogan]

Awkward.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's strategic. Yeah. He's throwing that you're not gonna block correctly and then he's gonna land you clean shots. But when you see him, when there's nothing wrong with him, like he had this giant break because he punched somebody in some low level promotion.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's right.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So they gave him.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's a wild boy. So they gave him like eight months suspension, something like that. Six month suspension, whatever it was. So you see him against Hernandez when he's perfect and he looks phenomenal. His striking look phenomenal. Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh God, he looks like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy. He looked better.

[Joe Rogan]

Best we've ever seen.

[Brendan Schaub]

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[Joe Rogan]

You'll be careful with journalists. I'll listen to former fighters in this or. People have been around the game a long, long time. If you have Hamza winning, yeah, okay, nobody was robbed. But I can give you a pretty good argument why Strickland won that fight. You know, I can give you a damn good argument.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was like I was talking to him inside the Octagon before the fight, said, what do you think? And I said, it was really close. It was really close. Because you really never know with judging. You know, we've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge. So you don't know. So, you know, in my opinion, I would have to go over and watch it again, because when I call fights, I'm just calling them tough. I'm not really scoring them super tough. It's weird because, like, what you're trying to do is make some entertainment out of moments and put some weight to it and express maybe to people that don't know exactly what's going on.

[Joe Rogan]

Also listening to your other exact partners in the booth.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. Well, DC's great at that. DC is the best at explaining to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to, like, wrestling in particular, because he's such a elite wrestler. And there was a lot. That was a lot of wrestling moments in that. So, like, that's what you're doing. So you're not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent. Like, Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the UFC in the early days. And what Eddie would do is he would write. He would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy. And then he would have categories. Strikes, kicks, landed, punches landed, takedown, submission, attempts. He would. He would mark all these different things. Like, every time something would happen, he would mark it down, and then he would also go by who landed the most damage. And he was really good at it. Like, he was very accurate in terms of, like, I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense.

[Joe Rogan]

But if your intention is to score the fight, like, you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating. I can do that. It's like, I do commentate for Game Bread, and there's a fight, fight of the night, and Jimmy Smith is going, who do you think won? I said, dude, this isn't the time to ask because I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right, Right. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

I go home and watch. I'll let you know exactly who won.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a close fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know, dude. Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to figure out who won some. Some wars. Like, like, listen, you know, think of, like, what if Tyra and Joshua Van had made it to the end?

[Joe Rogan]

That's a tough one.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a tough one. I mean, Joshua Van definitely did more damage, 100%, which is number one thing.

[Joe Rogan]

They are supposed to.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Judge it.

[Brendan Schaub]

So I would judge that in favor. Like, we had a conversation about the Gomez fight. Who was Gomez fighting? Pat Sabatini. So Pat Sabatini was fighting Gomez, and all Pat Sabatini did was Clinch him and try to take him down. Took it down a couple times, but when they were standing up, Gomez. Pat landed a few strikes, definitely. It wasn't like he was completely outclassed in the feet, but Gomez landed more. So I'm like, okay, I know Pat spent the majority of the fight in control. The majority fight clinching, the majority fight, working towards the takedown, but. But it was unsuccessful for the most part. Gomez bounced back up to his feet every time. Never took any damage on the ground, never got close to being submitted. And then when they stood up, Gomez was the one who was going after him, landing strikes. I don't know if it was enough to win, though, because it's like there wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit Pat, and Pat got rocked and Pat went down, and there was none of that. But Gomez was doing better in the standup, which, when it comes to damage, that was the only damage of the fight.

[Joe Rogan]

But. But the other thing, you got to take considerations. Like, I love dc. He's one of my favorites. But DC has an extensive wrestling background, so he's usually gonna. Not that he means to, but because he has such an extensive wrestling background. If you listen to Kamaru Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of them will score that fight for Hamzat because of the wrestling involved. But if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background, it's more of a striking background. Most of them score it for Strickland. So you always got to. I take it with a little bit of grain of salt when those guys. Heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling, but they weren't successful like Taytowns were successful. They're like, that's a takedown, like. But he didn't do shit with it, though.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's also the Strickland factor. There's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way.

[Joe Rogan]

Boom.

[Brendan Schaub]

And they don't want him to win because the wild shit that he says off stage, listen, sometimes he goes too far. He said he went too far. He apologized for going too far, but God damn, did he sell some tickets.

[Joe Rogan]

I like what you said. They said, don't apologize. You're selling a fight. Yeah, that's my thing, too. It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for any of that. Because on Monday, I was so excited to get in studio. I was so excited. I felt like for first time in a long time, the UFC's back. I felt back, man. It's really.

[Brendan Schaub]

Think the UFC has gone away.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. I'm not saying that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Don't get to it.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm saying as far as, like, Conor

[Brendan Schaub]

Khabib, like, bad blood, like, big time, couldn't wait.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I. Dude, I was. I was tech day before. I'm taking. Dude, I can't fucking wait. It was like, I was so hyped for this fucking fight, dude. Yeah, it just felt like, you know, those. Those Conor Day Khabib days, those are over. But this one, the magnitude of it. And I usually can tell when a fight's going to be really big because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields, and dads will come like, dude, did you think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch fighting. Like, oh, shit. I was like, this can be huge, dude. This can be big, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was huge. And it was huge because of the way Sean sold 100%. Not just that Sean has a ton of fans, for sure, you know, but it was the way he sold it. The chaos. People love it. They love that. And especially casuals, they love the chaos.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it, too. I love it.

[Brendan Schaub]

He makes things fun. Makes things fun.

[Joe Rogan]

And then people get so mad, you know, some stuff he says, but it's like, there's a lane for that. Hate to tell you, there's a lane for that. And I. I think Strickland, you. You've been around Strickland. He's a good person. Yes. He has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that, which is fine. But remember, too, people go, UFC doesn't have stars. And then you get a kid like Strickland who's billing his name to be the most watched fight, one of the third most watched Waynes of all time. So he's trying to be a star. So you guys are complaining there's no stars, and then when he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him, you know, so it's like, pick, pick your poison.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, they're hating, by the way. He's doing it right, that he's making things super personal. And. But this is what Connor did. I mean, that's what Connor did with Khabib. Connor crossed the line many times with Khabib.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, buddy, the line's here. Conor was all the way over here.

[Brendan Schaub]

And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and up Dylan.

[Joe Rogan]

That was my favorite. That's my favorite picture of all time. I need it framed in my suit. When Khabib's literally flying off the cage about to. But remember before that fight, in the fight, Khabib was all professional. He was all good. As soon as that motherfucker ended, he's like, yeah, now it's time to get to work. Yeah, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

That is a crazy motherfucking world World champion just got done stopping Conor McGregor and he's leaping into the fucking crowd just like his nickname.

[Joe Rogan]

And super.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's the Eagle.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, the Eagle. His talons are fucking out.

[Brendan Schaub]

I mean, you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dud. You know how Dan Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bisping when Bisping was down? That's like his logo. That should be Khabib's logo 100% with,

[Joe Rogan]

like wings on it like a flying eagle.

[Brendan Schaub]

Fucking animal, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

That was that guy. I love him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, you know, we appreciate him while he's here, but maybe not enough.

[Joe Rogan]

But. But with. With Hamza, too. I also think a couple of factors that went against him on Saturday night. He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight defending the middleweight title. You have this wild boy talking so much, so I. I just. I. I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue. Because, remember when I went to his camp, I called you, I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone. So I'm talking vicious, everybody up, destroying them. I was like, oh, my God. So there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is. Where that's not translating inside the octave.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut. Yes. 100. Dude, he cut 22 kilos. Listen to me, they. He got 40 something pounds. They were making it so that he was going to fight Yuri at 205. Right. So he starts bulking up and he's eating like a animal and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy. 230, I think he was above that. Yeah, yeah, he was somewhere north of 230. And so then he's 230, whatever. And so then he's got to drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Your body deteriorates, you can't recover. And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut.

[Joe Rogan]

I Heard his horrible here. His brother today was like, yes. We thought his body was going to shut down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. So they took an hour off weight cutting and then they went back and he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point. Which is. What is that? Was that like five pounds? No, no, I mean two pounds, two

[Joe Rogan]

and a half pounds. Right, Two and a half.

[Brendan Schaub]

What is it? It's 2.2. Okay. So.

[Joe Rogan]

But somewhere he was 230 a lot though.

[Brendan Schaub]

If you're dying, you got to lose two pounds of water.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's a nightmare.

[Brendan Schaub]

Two 16 ounce bot water.

[Joe Rogan]

But when he was, let's say 2:30 or maybe 235, how many weeks out was that? Do we know?

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know because.

[Joe Rogan]

Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this Yuri fight. You're fighting at 85. It's a few months.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's a few months. But you know when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem. It's a real problem. It's not the same problem. So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights like Strickland, there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's heavy and he makes fun of himself. He's fat. That's a different fat. That's different to lose. You can lose that. You can lose that. That's not a problem to lose. When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're £230 and you're still working out all the time. So your body's using those muscles all the time. So if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

So you have to starve yourself or you do a radical dehydration which brings you to the brink of death. That's what it seems like. That's what he did.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably a factor, but my giant factor, dude, it's a factor for sure. There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight and these other fights. Not like he's going in there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Tenacious finishing guys fight was just him in control. It was just him grappling him in control, but no intent to finish.

[Joe Rogan]

That's my issue with him.

[Brendan Schaub]

True. He just wanted to secure the win. I think it's here. What could be. It could be. And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean, who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters. And always does. Yeah, he always. He's always going after you in the final round. Like the final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy, come on, he looks great.

[Joe Rogan]

He gets better as that fight goes on.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round. Part of that because of the beating that he took in the first.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. I mean, he got dropped too. Super close to stopped, probably concussed in the first, you know, I mean, that straight punch that he landed where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many left hands in a row?

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brendan Schaub]

15, 20 left hands in a row. I mean, let's count them. Yeah, let's watch that and count them, because it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

He just.

[Brendan Schaub]

Bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're gonna go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed, you compromise. Probably you have a concussion.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

Just by the way he went down. His head spun around. It was a. Was a right hand, right? Wasn't a right hand.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a right hand. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And it's picture perfect right hand. Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect. And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand and then blast him with all those punches in the clinch. You're gone after that. You're. You're a shell of yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

You're gone. I think my thing with Khamzat, too, is after again, you. You could chalk it up to the weight cut that second round when he doesn't land that takedown, falls to his back. I'm like, oh, he's cooked, dude. I think six months into the motherfucking

[Brendan Schaub]

fight, and you're body was shutting down. And he realized that he went real hard in the first round, but doesn't have the gas tank and said, let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm going to try to finish this guy. It might have been a strategy.

[Joe Rogan]

And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right? Because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big, like, he tries for a takedown, can't get it. He realized like, oh, Jesus, I'm not going to be able to fight standing up like this for five minutes after that first round because his body Almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago. It is the dumbest thing we do in the sport where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way. You. You pretend You.

[Joe Rogan]

You.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, it's a 185 pound fight. The. It is, yeah. Either one of those guys. 100.

[Joe Rogan]

Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Him. Strickland's a big boy.

[Joe Rogan]

Strickland that night in the cage is bigger dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, he definitely looked healthier. Right. And I think part of that you could attribute to the fact that Hamza is killing himself.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, what Hamza say to Dana as soon as you jumped out of the cage goes, I'm done fighting here. I'm going to 205.

[Brendan Schaub]

But apparently now all he's talking about is a rematch. Back on?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no, it's back on. So my, you know, so what he's got to do.

[Brendan Schaub]

Love to hear is he has got to limit his calorie intake and he's got to literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that. So you'd have to talk to someone who's an expert at that. But my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is he gets himself down to like £160. And the way he does it is he just limits his calories and keeps working out the exact same way. And he looks terrible when he does it. He looks so tired all the time, but it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight. But that is slow running for days.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a different thing.

[Joe Rogan]

We can't do that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And I. My personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy to do that. You have to be a healthy person. You can't just be big. Right. And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's really what's going on. And we think these. Oh, these guys can recover. But how much do they recover? Well, they for sure don't recover. 100.

[Joe Rogan]

Not a hundo, not 100. That's why I'm excited for him. At 205. Like, a lot of people, like, oh, I don't like them. Like, if it's a. If the weight is an issue at 205, if he's 100 homsy, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100 Homsai could be a lot better than a 70.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's great. Strickland ain't gonna do it. He's gonna go, you didn' make the weight the first time.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, 100.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's gonna. He's gonna talk mad. It'll Be fun. He's a coward. I beat him with one arm. It's gonna get crazy. You gotta fight him at middleweight, but he's got to go to some expert in losing weight.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no, I'm not saying Strickland, Hamzat 205. That. No, no, Strickland.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, Strickland's gonna.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no. Strickland's gonna stay at 85 and Dominic. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana.

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Visit Carvana.com to sell your car today. Carvana pickup fees may apply. No, Hamzat. He's. He's gonna do that rematch and then that's it. He's a 205er. Well, I think he's. Or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic and still perform, but he has to figure that out.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's got to stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever. Whatever he was, we're guessing, right? That's what I'd heard that he was north. North of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that. And he's got to do mad cardio. Just. Just cardio, like working out, like wrestling, hitting the bag, hitting pads and cardio.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm a big proponent of do. Do your sport. Get your cardio from your sport. Like I see it across the board. Like I, I get a little. A little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Hamza, you know, hitting the. The tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. I'm like, yeah, but I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top level guys and get after it, dude. Because what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no.

[Joe Rogan]

Why. Why is this card is so good? Because he spars like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints and do. I'd rather you get your cardio in. In your actual sport. I See it at the, the lower level too with, with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads like I don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like, because, because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder who can do it the fastest. We're catching footballs.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude, do you think that there's footballs

[Joe Rogan]

if you want to get better at football.

[Brendan Schaub]

A hundred percent. But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, but not, not close to the fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Because usually what we would do is like let's say you do have eight week camp before the camp starts. We're doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we get a camp, the focus was the cardio was getting it in in your training.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know who agrees with you? Al Jermaine Sterling. Al Jermaine talked about this.

[Joe Rogan]

Pretty good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Pretty good. How good did he look against a law dude? Best back control in the game.

[Joe Rogan]

So I, and I don't. Why is he so underrated? I don't get it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Why he doesn't get his juice.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's the way the, the victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot and people hated on him from then on out.

[Joe Rogan]

Think I'll get against evil oath.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know he's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a split decision. Some people thought he won.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Yeah. He could have easily won that so good. Yeah. Al Jermin's the man. Yes. But he said that Merab does the same thing now. Who the has better cardio? Than Merab? I would say nobody, nobody alive ever

[Joe Rogan]

in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the whatever's four minute mile or something. But as far as what.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. He's not getting punched in the face.

[Joe Rogan]

People should just go to Rob's camp like what are you doing? He's like, I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling.

[Brendan Schaub]

He does run. He does run and he does lift some weights every now and then, but he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out against it but what he did say was that when he did that because he did some of the training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was over trained and he said he was just too tired when he was going into like fight camp.

[Joe Rogan]

It's tough to recover.

[Brendan Schaub]

Doing all the other stuff, too. You're. You're still boxing, you're still kickboxing, you're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting because, you know, the Marv Marinovich approach was very different with BJ Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Pen ever. But they literally did no fight training. What they did is all plyometrics. And it's different from the stuff the training lab stops doing because the training lab stops up. He's doing bicycle work and all this. Different because that's what Sam Calavita came from.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct.

[Brendan Schaub]

Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this insane machine. He's like, bj, yeah, you already know how to fight. Fact. You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks. Right. Fact. But what we can do is gives you an unstoppable gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't Kim and his brother. Yeah, it wasn't the most distant. Yeah, he was phenomenally talented. And Freak. Freak. And one of the things won the world the mundials at three years in to Jiu Jitsu. Like, nobody does that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why he's almost a bad example, you know, I'm saying it's like, yeah, right.

[Brendan Schaub]

But what he. The problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard. Hard. Yeah, right. Like Sean, although he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you see like, oh, my God, he is so talented. Like, what he does is, like, no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. Like, you know, there's certain guys that

[Joe Rogan]

are like, Sean stuff is hard work.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them. And sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners over and you're exhausted, and when you're doing that, hell, they don't like that.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brendan Schaub]

So some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be tuning guys up.

[Joe Rogan]

Spot on.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And so those guys, when they're fighting a George St. Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level. They might fade because that guy got there and through a different path. I mean, George, although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even come from a wrestling background. I mean, George, one of the all time greats. There's not like one thing that George would do that would make you think, like, that guy's a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him like that.

[Joe Rogan]

No, far from it. To your point. Far from. Because I trained with George forever. And when we did, they would have us do some stuff like I did in the NFL, like sprints and vertical and the, the agility drills. Like nothing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Nothing crazy. No, but BJ was. BJ was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

BJ is crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the can you do that? BJ could jump out of a pool and, and land easy. You know, BJ can. He has insane flexibility. Like the way he moves his legs. His balance is nuts. There's a video of someone trying to take him down and they have a single and they are driving across the cage and he's on one leg hopping with. With zero fear of being taken down.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, but to your point, like, BJ's that talented. John's another one.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. Where it's like, right, Exact, exact, perfect. So talented, so talented. And then the difference being like, John always figured out a way to win. And John, if he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really put it to somebody. Right. Like the Gustafson fight. First fights with Gustafson, he doesn't train at all. I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like, he barely showed up at all. Barely showed up in the gym and

[Joe Rogan]

then has a five round war and

[Brendan Schaub]

pulls it out in the final two rounds. It's crazy. Gets taken down for the first time. We see him get taken down by Gustafson, like, oh my God, Gustafson might be the man. And John pulls it out. So the second fight comes around and Jon trains hard and John, him up. I mean, him up in a way. Like, this is what would have happened if I tried. Yeah, if I prepared the way you prepared.

[Joe Rogan]

This is what goes.

[Brendan Schaub]

You get a beating, you know, and this is the dance of like, who's the greatest of all time? And that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that John is the greatest of all time. Because John was all those things, super talented. And when push came to shove and he had to get back into work and get.

[Joe Rogan]

He would do it.

[Brendan Schaub]

He would do it, and he would pull it off against dc. He would pull it off. The Stipe fight was. I think that was not Stipe. That was.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's. When you, like, when you talk about his resume, you're like, all right, you

[Brendan Schaub]

know, Stipe is the Stipe that, you know, ran through the heavyweight division. The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that beat Fabricio Verdun for the title, beat Francis when Francis was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin. That Francis fight. I really.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that changed him forever because DC

[Brendan Schaub]

knocks him out right after that and, you know, wasn't the biggest punch in the world. No, it was a big punch, but, I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Back to John being the greatest of all time. It's like, when you look at his resume, it's just like, phenomenal.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wild. Phenomenal. Ever UFC champion.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. Crazy. But as far as, like, other than Josh Barnett.

[Brendan Schaub]

Did Josh Barnett win it earlier?

[Joe Rogan]

Nah, I think John's the youngest.

[Brendan Schaub]

John's the youngest, and Josh Barnett was

[Joe Rogan]

the youngest and Joshua Van second now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. So Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at what, 24?

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. And those boys were.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, it didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids. That is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like when WWE guys get busted, you're like, oh, come on.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, bitch, you ain't testing everybody. You just don't like Josh.

[Joe Rogan]

The way to get him out. I love Josh. It's a way to get him out. But back to John. It's like, you look at his resume. Greatest ever do it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Beat the very best in murders row.

[Brendan Schaub]

Murderers row. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Now, you know, it's not. Not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight. But then you don't think so. No. Well, listen close.

[Brendan Schaub]

When Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's certainly comparable. Alex as the light heavyweight champion. The Alex that beat Magomedov, the Alex that knocked out Yuri Prohaska, the Alex that starches everybody. That up Jamal Hill like that Alex Pereira and Jon Jones in his prime. Would have been insane. That would have been insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Tough to beat. The wrestling of John, like, John's wrestling was on a totally different level.

[Joe Rogan]

His iq.

[Brendan Schaub]

His iq. Look at. He did the Cheryl Gone Crazy. I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like a book. Bullied him, bullied him, got all of his neck and, like, I'll take that. But, dude, if you. If you. If you go back and look at

[Joe Rogan]

John is my fighting years too. You look at that light heavyweight division one through fucking 15. Good luck. That's especially heavyweight. True, but good luck.

[Brendan Schaub]

But at light heavyweight. Okay, so not a lot of those

[Joe Rogan]

guys are ranked in top 10.

[Brendan Schaub]

How do you think, Yuri? Well, let's, let's think of Alex. How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafson?

[Joe Rogan]

Very tough fight for him.

[Brendan Schaub]

You think so? Gustafson in his prime.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

You think so?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And you think that based on the Teixeira fight because he pieced up Glover. Remember that fight? Yeah, bro. That was a video game combination. Really knocked out.

[Joe Rogan]

Alex is one of those guys similar to D.C. that when John just reigned as champ. It's like if, if Alex was just born at a different time. Maybe five years before, five years after. He's our Jon Jones. He was so talented. Huge six, six, six, seven. Great wrestling, great world class boxing. Good at everything, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Great in the division with the goat you, you got.

[Joe Rogan]

Your mom and dad decided to have sex same time John and his parents did.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look, look at what happened with Ilya Toporia. Think about the guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway, Think about Charles Oliveira. Think about Alexander Volkanovsky. And he is blast all of them into orbit, all three of them. First guy ever to stop Max. It's like you, you will you. If you're in that guy's division, what are you gonna do? Especially at 45. I don't know what it's going to be like at 55. Obviously the Oliveira fight was a one punch knockout.

[Joe Rogan]

But that was such a bad knockout.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, like, whoa. Justin is quite a bit bigger.

[Joe Rogan]

Just a big cat.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's quite a bit bigger.

[Joe Rogan]

Like that's a tough fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's. It's a different fight than Oliveira. It's different. But. But then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max. You're like, good lord. Like Oliveira is a beast.

[Joe Rogan]

Phenomenal.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he couldn't do none of that to Ilya.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The only thing with all that is like the, the 55 division, everyone's. No one's in the prime. Like Charles is in his prime when you beat him. Justin's definitely not his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're good, but not, not prime. Prime.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And the issue is Ilya's just getting to his prime.

[Brendan Schaub]

Just getting to his prime. Surging and already one of the greatest of all time.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a problem.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. He's so smart and so disciplined and so, like, completely focused and dialed in. Great at everything. Everything. Great at everything. And the crazy thing is, didn't even start as a striker. Started as a grappler.

[Joe Rogan]

Now his toughest matchup is Armin tsarukin. That's the fight 100.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, that.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's. That's what I was gonn with. With Hamzat. He's not active. I know I'm jumping around a little bit, but with Hamzat, he. I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that Aon weight cut 100%. Clearly there seems to be a mental block when it comes to finishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. R Raf D take a game page out of Sukin's book. Just wrestle all the Sukin. I think he's wrestled like eight times, as I know. Just dudes up, making all the money. He makes six figures every time he fucks somebody up. But he's active. He's staying active, staying competing. Competing. And the UFC's going, yeah, go ahead and do it. So for Hamza dude. Because he fights once a year, which is not good, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's like, stay active over there. Stay active. Like. Like Armas Rukin's doing. Keep your weight down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. I don't know if he's interested in doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

He signed with him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, but what was the fight that they signed that he was going to. He was going to wrestle somebody. Who was it? Do you remember?

[Joe Rogan]

I think they want to toss him like an Olympia, which I. Which is. That's where it gets dicey.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Here's my fear. There was a recent event. There was a very weird event. I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jiu jitsu. Have you seen that?

[Joe Rogan]

No. Get the out of my face.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

So Glace and T bow was fighting. I apologize. I don't remember who he was fighting. And he takes this guy down and the guy catches, you know, he's trying to avoid the takedown. It catches his knee in a weird way and it blows out. So that could happen to anybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Wrestling is a little safer, though.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know about that. Because this was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but those. Those guys aren't exactly like high level wrestlers.

[Brendan Schaub]

True.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like, you're like, Raf has. It's top tier.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah, no doubt.

[Joe Rogan]

So good.

[Brendan Schaub]

No doubt. It's so good wrestlers blow their knees out all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

True.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming after you and it's kind of

[Joe Rogan]

what you sign up for. So it's like, dude, we can't fight once a year. And then you have weight issues and clearly there seems to be a mental block and you getting finishes because your cardio. Let's do Raf. Let's get this rolling. Keeps your weight down, keeps you active. Also keeps you in the limelight. Like Armin has blown the up, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

True.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a massive star now.

[Brendan Schaub]

True. Especially online. I don't know how much that translates to. It's a great general public. It's great dorks like us dorks like a point we are some riding is nuts. He beat Giorgio twice. Such a good point. Is it Lance Palmer the wrestler that he tech fauled. Which is nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuts. You're I favorite.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Threw over the.

[Brendan Schaub]

That was crazy. Why'd you do that? What if you both got hurt?

[Joe Rogan]

What if you hurt a bit of a meathead?

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, he's a psychopath. Yeah, he's a full on psychopath. I mean he's rich, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

He's so rich.

[Brendan Schaub]

Literally wealthy.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you see him on that stream? They go, so like if you wanted to like buy a car, like 500000 car, what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money, but he's not savage lazy at all. No, he's like, he flies in the face of this like long standing belief that we all had that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter.

[Joe Rogan]

He's Batman.

[Brendan Schaub]

It doesn't matter if he came. You come from the ghetto, he's gonna you up.

[Joe Rogan]

He does not give a.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like some dudes like I'm from the favelas, you know, like good luck.

[Joe Rogan]

Cool man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good luck with that. Armenian psychopath.

[Joe Rogan]

Ye. Pulling up in a Maybach caviar. He gets.

[Brendan Schaub]

He pulls into LA. I watch his YouTube videos. He tr, you know, shows him training and all the different stuff that he does.

[Joe Rogan]

He, he.

[Brendan Schaub]

When he lands in la, he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab.

[Joe Rogan]

That's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off, bro.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good luck with that guy. Good luck with that guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Go and make fun of him for being rich people.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like a Greek God.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Can wrestle like A fucking elite top tier wrestler and he can strike and he can submit you. Good luck. And he's angry because he. He's denied a shot at the title because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight, which is

[Joe Rogan]

the best thing that ever happened to him.

[Brendan Schaub]

You think so?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, because look how much. Because he. We were dorts and we knew who he was. But the general, like especially online. No one. His profile's so big now, I think

[Brendan Schaub]

it's just with dorks. I mean, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

But those dorks equals sponsorship money.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants.

[Joe Rogan]

He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's not.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no reason to be upset.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, I'll tell you what Armenians look at the fuck. Shut the fuck up, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Just shut up. Great body.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's ridiculous.

[Joe Rogan]

Great body.

[Brendan Schaub]

That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Or get you in that fucking kind of shape.

[Brendan Schaub]

Kidding.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

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[Joe Rogan]

If he beats Ilya Tapura, UFC Freedom250 in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that gets the belt. It's bigger. It's beyond just mma. Ufc.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Miracle on Ice. Fuck off. Off. This is Matt. Imagine the headlines, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes. And if he beats that guy, bro in his prime, who's knocking everyone to the shadow realm? He says to Charles Oliveira, I'm sorry, it has to be you. Has a celebration party the night before the fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Had a party at a party, was drinking wine and.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, he wasn't, was he?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, pretty sure he's drinking wine.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, I think it was water.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. Imagine that psychopath and he gets starch.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And he's got beautiful Spanish accent.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Dude just checks all boxes.

[Brendan Schaub]

Checks all the boxes.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for. I love both of them, but just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos at. At that. In front of the weird elites watching the fight. You don't know what the going on. It's going to be great. If Justin pulls it off.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, if Justin pulls it off, it'd be one of the greatest upsets of all time. One of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire, Topuria plans to celebrate before the Gaethje clash at the White House. Of course he's gonna celebrate.

[Joe Rogan]

Whatever he's doing.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's his move. Whatever he does, doing it again. Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight belt. We're gonna celebrate before the fight, actually. We have everything organized. My team has already taken care of that. That's a mind a half. When you're in your hotel room, you know, and you're just scrolling on Instagram Thinking about 24 hours from now, you're gonna be fighting, and you're like, what's. What's this doing? Oh, he's standing on top of a table, dancing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's how sure he is. He's gonna beat the fuck out of you.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, when did you see. When all the fighters at the White House, Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're like, oh, fuck because why would

[Brendan Schaub]

you give your friend his toughest test?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Well, for Gaethje, that's the last fight. I mean, if this is really gonna be his last fight, that is the last fight.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's smart. It's smart because that. That Patty fight is, you know, entertaining fight for the casuals as far as technical wise. It was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do, which he should do. He just wanted to just go you and just come at him and just throw caution to the win and just almost fight like he did, like, back

[Joe Rogan]

in the PFL days, World Series of fighting.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's what it was. Yes. Right? Yeah, that's right.

[Joe Rogan]

That's exactly what he should be doing, and that's exactly what should have done. And then for Patty, it was. It was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done. But you can, like and it's all good. This isn't a knock on Justin. All the years, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen. It catches up with you 100%.

[Brendan Schaub]

It has to.

[Joe Rogan]

And now here's Ilot Toria. But again, I. I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest upset we've ever seen. And Trevor Whitman, White House.

[Brendan Schaub]

The. Justin has an awesome series, the Art of Violence, I think it's called.

[Joe Rogan]

Called.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's on YouTube. And it's all talking about him preparing. It's all videos of him training. And Trevor Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Namajunas. When she beat Joanna. Yo, jczyk. Sure. When she beat young Whaley. Same thing like that. They love being the underdog in those situations. Like, stopping Whaley was nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know that she was the underdog. Head kicks her. Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

And that this is a little different,

[Joe Rogan]

but I hear you.

[Brendan Schaub]

It is different. It's different, but it is. It's similar in ways. The Zhang Weili is. Because Zhang Li is everybody scary. There's no one like her. The physicality of her at Straw Weight, she was a monster. Like, her training was bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'd watch her training.

[Joe Rogan]

I'd go, good Lord, who's gonna beat her? She's like her shoulders and.

[Brendan Schaub]

But the way she trained. She trains like a dude. Yeah. Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? Like, women.

[Joe Rogan]

Haircut to show.

[Brendan Schaub]

And it's not a knock on the way women train. Not. I'm not saying that. I'm saying, like, the ferocity was like, she's filled with testosterone, like she's trying to kill somebody.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably is, Joe.

[Brendan Schaub]

She might be. It might be natural. It might have slipped something into her noodles.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh, man. Yeah, I was. I took my husband's vitamins. It just had these. Steroids.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, My husband. She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids.

[Joe Rogan]

He up?

[Brendan Schaub]

Is he an active fighter?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't. I don't think so. Is he, Jamie? No, he's probably just some meathead. He's like, yeah, I guess.

[Brendan Schaub]

I hope so.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, me too.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what.

[Joe Rogan]

What the. Now we're both.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But back to Whaley and. And Rob Rose. The difference with that is Rose was still pretty in her prime there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes. 100. That's. That's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimblett fight. He looked like he just was just being an animal. And Pimblett's good, man. You see what Pimblett did to Bobby Green. And granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked sensational. You look good against Jeremy Stevens.

[Joe Rogan]

He keeps doing the damn thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

But also, that style is so fun. Talking, pointing at you, man. So fun.

[Joe Rogan]

My face.

[Brendan Schaub]

So fun. How about at the end of the fight when I'm interviewing him, he's like, come walk with me. And he takes me over to Danny's. Yo, Dana.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He wants that bonus. They've never given a bonus.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was just talking about he's one of the most exciting fighters he's ever done it. I'm like, everybody knows that. He's like, why didn't get my bonus?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but I'm kind of with Dane on the bonus. This Dana goes well. We do it. Also, your strength of your opponent, like,

[Brendan Schaub]

Joe Hoover was good. Dude. He beat Zoe Huber in his last fight. He should have got it.

[Joe Rogan]

He should have got for that one.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's what he was talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, but for this last fight, right? For his last fight, you know, he's fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fight, great fighter. But, you know, compared to, like, the other guys on the card. Yeah, that's why Dan is like, well.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, no, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying, because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for Zell Huber fight.

[Joe Rogan]

He got 25k, right? Because I didn't.

[Brendan Schaub]

They changed him.

[Joe Rogan]

If you get a finish, no matter what you get. But he wanted the big boy.

[Brendan Schaub]

The big boy bonus. Yeah. I'd hate. I hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. You know, look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there there. Like they. This is a 7 billion dollar deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll say that right now. If I was running the ufc, the stockholders, they would kick me out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Shareholders would all be fired.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

I wouldn't like affliction.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you don't want that.

[Brendan Schaub]

You don't want me running.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brendan Schaub]

The ufc because I treat it like I was a communist.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm also. Yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it, too, because I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume was $7.7 billion. I'm like, I feel like we could give some over here. But then if you talk to somebody in the know, they're like, oh, do you? Well, look at this motherfucker. I'm like, my bad.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay, now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year.

[Joe Rogan]

He worked very hard.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'm sure he did, but that was from the ufc, from tko. Right. That was his payout. And he. He's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy.

[Joe Rogan]

But you see the reason they sold for $7.7 billion.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's a big part of. Probably a big part of it, 100%. And the big. And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal. You know, the whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for. There's. Without the Fighters. There is no ufc. It doesn't exist. Correct. It is the entire product. The. The thing you're selling is entirely fighters, and it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime. They have 10 years or whatever they have. And. And when they get out, you know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say. You see, like ticks that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't think we should think of it like any other business, because the entire business model is these guys bodies, and the consequence is their health, and it's for the rest of their life. And so if you're doing something that is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that. If you're one of those people, the amount of money that is left over for the other people, the people that are making the money that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now, I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and, and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love. And I. I think they should be compensated more.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think you're. I mean, obviously we're biased because we love fighters, and I was a fire. It's not even about being biased. It's.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's just fairness.

[Joe Rogan]

It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace. And. Well, the thing is, it's such a dicey thing. And I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk, and I get sick of it too, because I don't know what you can really do.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because I simple.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I go, is it, though? Because here's the thing. People will go, okay, they made 7.7 billion. Here's. Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on on. But it's like, if the UFC is the only.

[Brendan Schaub]

The only

[Joe Rogan]

sports combat sports promotion to ever make money ever, right? Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit. So my thing is like, is this. Is this what it. Is this just what it is? And I know some people are like, you're such an idiot. They have this leftover money. I hear you, but I'm saying is there's pfl. Bellator affliction, World Series. We can go through the list. One championship. None of them are around. Some aren't. Like their last leg. No one's ever been able to sustain it. So all I'm. And I'm not saying we don't deserve more money. All I'm saying is, is this just how it goes in the fight business? I don't know. I'm not businessman. I know people are yelling right now. You're it. I'm just saying I don't think it's fighting different. Where. Hey, man, that's just. It's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's not mlb. In order for us to continue this rise, this is what it is. It's 18 of the fighters. I. I don't know, Joe. Okay, well, that's what I'm saying. I don't.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good points. First of all, let's just give the UFC its flowers, because without. I love the kids say that these days.

[Joe Rogan]

Give flowers. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Have your daughter started using buns yet?

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah. They use that. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I just found my. My. My son.

[Brendan Schaub]

Bad buns is bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I didn't know. I got a new truck. My son's like, I think buns. I'm like, is that good saying it's ass.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I know, but buns are always like, cute buns. Yeah. We're young Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

Young Jamie. But what were you saying?

[Brendan Schaub]

The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period. There's nothing even close. The product is so much better than any boxing promotion. And my friends that I brought brought to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend Josh Dubin, he was like, the production's incredible. He goes, it's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's so much better. That is 100 true. They've also been a consolidated organization forever. Right? I mean, it was a different owner. It was Bob Meyerowitz back in the day, in 97, when I worked for them. But from 2021 on. So for the last 25 years, years, it's been Zufa, right? They sold Zufa. Now Zufa sold to Ari Emanuel and tko. And. But the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind the scenes.

[Joe Rogan]

That's another conversation.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it's still Anik. It's still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary. And, you know, Dominic Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Sanko. It's still the team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up at the ufc, everything's so smooth. You go in, say hi to everybody. I show my badge to the security people, I say hi. We sit down. Everything is smooth. We got a hit in five minutes. Okay, great. Everybody's there. The. The sound guys on point. Everything is on point, easy. And it's like the production in the truck is so good. They always have the right angle. Giordano is always on the case when it comes to, like, getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for, for replays. If I ask for something, I got it right away. Like, like, I'll push the button, you know, Let me hear his corner. Yeah, it's boom. They're right on it. It's. They're the best.

[Joe Rogan]

High level.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're the best.

[Joe Rogan]

The best.

[Brendan Schaub]

And you notice that when you see other promotions, it's like other promotions the camera works on is good. It's like, things are good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's.

[Brendan Schaub]

The machine is so good. And it's become like the NFL. Like, I know the XFL exists. I've never even heard of a game. I've never even heard of a game.

[Joe Rogan]

Name one player.

[Brendan Schaub]

No one's ever brought up a game that's going to happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Never.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know. It's a thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Never.

[Brendan Schaub]

And the problem with casual is that's the same with the PFL. Even though the PFL's got really good fighters, there's really good fighters in the pfl.

[Joe Rogan]

Far cry from the ufc, but, yeah,

[Brendan Schaub]

some of them are really good. Man, that cat that just knocked out Henna Farrar, the guy who's the. The heavyweight, that is Fedor's protege.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, the Russian cat, Row, he's good, bro.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's good in the UFC's shallow ass heavyweight division. We could use that.

[Joe Rogan]

We could use him.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel room and a briefcase full of money like, let's go, dog.

[Joe Rogan]

But, but yeah, my, my thing with the ufc, and when you talk about the staff and you got to give them their flowers, they're the only one that's figured it out.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're the best by the best organization by far, and they deserve to be rich because of that. They've made an incredible product.

[Joe Rogan]

So do the fighters, though.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now, this is my position with my comedy coach club, so my comedy club pays different than every comedy Club, the fighter. The fighters, the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door. That's how it should be.

[Joe Rogan]

But let me ask you this, Joan. If it's too much, you're like, dude, get the out. But is your. Is the mothership compared to the Comedy Store, the improv? Are you guys crushing them?

[Brendan Schaub]

It's doing really well. I mean, the Comedy Store is always going to be one of the great clubs on earth. It's a legendary club. It's dependent upon who's there there. The difference between the way the Comedy Store does it and the way we do it is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend. Like the weekend, it might be Davitel. Yeah. This week is Tony Rock.

[Joe Rogan]

Is there another club that does that? Is. There's a little difference. You have your regulars. Is there another club that does that?

[Brendan Schaub]

Sure. Most clubs do that for the weekends. But the thing is, they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays. Yeah, I know the weekdays. We've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe, Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that? Because the comics have to be. My whole point is what. However you run your business, it's like, is. Is the model where you're doing it, where the comics are making the majority of the money? Is that a sustainable business?

[Brendan Schaub]

100%. It makes money. If.

[Joe Rogan]

If. If we take it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is.

[Joe Rogan]

If we take Joe Rogan out of it and you and some dude want to start a club and did the same thing, is that going to be profitable?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, you have to have the talent. But that's the difference. It's like the thing with the PFL versus the ufc. You have to have the talent. Right. And the reason why our club works is because everything. Look, it's pure luck. It's pure luck. Everything had a lineup. We had to hit every green light. It had. Covid had to happen. The Comedy Store had to get shut down. All the employees from the Comedy Store had to get fired. We had to not be able to do stand up in la. I had to be worried about my family and like the. The crime and the. The riots and then the COVID shit where everyone is wearing a mask. I was like, this is bananas. And then moving to. To Texas or just visiting Texas, but

[Joe Rogan]

you gotta give yourself credit. Like, yeah, yeah. But you were also the guy that had the idea to do it. Yeah. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You didn't have to do that.

[Brendan Schaub]

That is true. But it's all a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time. It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money, you know? So it happened. I had to happen when the Spotify deal took place. So I had all this money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world. So I could EAS people become of you, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

I had the line humble.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no, no. It's. I'm just being honest. Like, it had a line up, so I couldn't have done it on my own. I had to come here, and Ron White was already here. So Ron White's a big reason why the club. I mean, he was one of the main reasons why I moved here.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because I was like, yeah, even if I never do comedy again. And I was really wondering if we were ever going to do comedy again. Ron's here. I'll hang out with Ron. We'll have laughs.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

So when I moved here, and then all sudden, Tony moved here, and then Tom Segura moved here, and Brian Simpson moved here, and Hassan moved here, and Brian and Derek Poston moved here, and it was like, oh, we got something cooking. And then Tim Dillon came here, and then it was like, oh, my God. And then Duncan Trussell moved here. I was like, holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're moving because you're here.

[Brendan Schaub]

I understand. But they had mothership, Right? But they had to do it before the mothership even opened.

[Joe Rogan]

Take it.

[Jamie]

Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

They all moved before the mothership opened. Shane moved after the mothership opened. But they all came in early and trusted me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

And so I was like, okay, these guys, I. I owe them whatever. They took a chance with their future. I have to throw everything into this. And all together, we'll do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

So it's our club. It's really our club. But it had to happen in a way where I had this disposable money, I had disposable income where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me. Yeah. And then I could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money. So that way you encourage people to stay. So there's so many people that are there all week long during the week, they don't have to go do shows other places, they can make money at their home club.

[Joe Rogan]

You're doing it, right. I guess. My example, like, can the UFC do that? Because. Because my example for you, it's like, can these other comic Clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money.

[Brendan Schaub]

They could in New York and they might be able to do it in la. So I don't think you could do it in LA right now because the stores open, open and the store is always going to be the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. So it's on Sunset strip. Even though LA's falling apart, it's still the legendary destination for stand up comedy. It's one of the main reasons why I was excited to move to la. It was mecca. It was when I was a, a beginner and an open MICR in 1988. They would talk about the store like it was Mecca, like you had to go to the store.

[Joe Rogan]

They still do though. I don't think that's ever gone away.

[Brendan Schaub]

Of course, it's, it's, you know, the store comes and goes in cycles, like it always does. It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town, who's there. It's a very, it's. All comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays and if you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's the difference. Like, so the store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does. I, I told Scott, Scott Shore, I was like, I think. No, that was Peter. Sorry. I told Peter Shore, I was like, I think, think you, you guys should do that. I think you should, like.

[Joe Rogan]

But do they have to though? Because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see, you know. Yes, big names, you will, but big names.

[Brendan Schaub]

But you could have those people there still as well. Like they could also do shows with that person. And you have two other rooms and

[Joe Rogan]

that's what you guys, you have the

[Brendan Schaub]

OR and you have the belly. You have three rooms in one location. Like you could still have the OR filled with top talent because they don't give a where they're performing in the big stage of the little stage. In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The OR is an amazing room.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

But the thing is, it's like you have to have enough talent in town and a lot of people moved out of la. A lot of people. Yeah. Joey Diaz moved out of L. A. Like a lot of people moved out of it. Theo moved out. A lot of people moved out. So the problem is you would have to have enough talent there and then you would have to have talent that was there all the time. Like us. Like we're, we're at the club all

[Joe Rogan]

the time, I think. And going back to. If the UFC could do that, this. Like, they're profiting so much now, there's no reason to.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's the other issue. This is the problem.

[Joe Rogan]

You want hear my idea, though.

[Brendan Schaub]

Rational.

[Joe Rogan]

You want hear my idea, and you might be like, you're out of your mind. And it's. And again, I'm not anti. You nothing. I. You cut my wrist right now. Bubble Riley spills out. I bleed ufc. It made my entire career.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When that Paramount deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is. And this is the issue, why things will never change. I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said, we're not fighting another fight. They just signed this huge deal, 7.7 million. If you guys want to get your equal share. Nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card, unless we get. I don't know, someone's gonna figure out 30%. So it's 18 right now. If we go up 30%, which they're still gonna have. Profit. Profit. If they agree to that, then we'll fight. But they. There's no deal if we don't fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Those days are over now. So you missed the mark. Now you're going to say, yeah, but they can get other guys to do that. And I'm saying, across the board, we all agree as fighters, we're not going to fucking move an inch.

[Brendan Schaub]

If you can get fighters to agree to that, it would work.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the problem.

[Brendan Schaub]

It'll never happen. Not in a million years.

[Joe Rogan]

That was my idea.

[Brendan Schaub]

Then here's the other thought that Dana White has this thought about fighters, that when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's the other Armand Sarukian.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's right.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's right. Well, there's Armin, who's.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Bruce Wayne. But for the most part, he's right. Go. Go through anybody's career.

[Brendan Schaub]

Kind of right. He's kind of right. But it doesn't matter. That's Connor. That's on them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, agree.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's on them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's fair.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. I mean, he's right. But you can't protect them for. Unless you have a bonus that you're going to pay them out when they retire, and they're not going to do that.

[Joe Rogan]

But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this. It might have been McManyard. One of them was like the other Issue we have is when guys get paid a lot and then we offer them fights, we're not getting the fights we want to make. Once. Once they have that goose egg. Like, I'm not fighting that guy. I know, but again, you can't base it off of that because I'm sure there's some guys who will do it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And you with this. Him.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's not reason not to pay him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Listen, it's all. This is hippie talk. But I feel like if I would, if I was on, if I owned the ufc, I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. This is just my feeling, and I'm not a good businessman. If you want to be a good businessman, you got to make the most money possible.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know, Joe. You've done pretty well, Bubba.

[Brendan Schaub]

A lot of love of luck. A lot of luck.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta quit saying luck. You're driving me nuts. No, but you're driving nuts. You work harder than anybody else.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, I work hard. When I listen, I, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic. That is true, but that's half the battle. Yeah, but I'm not like a businessman in the sense of, like, if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to make the most money possible. I would say I got money, and let's just make this the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs. I don't know if you can run a organization like that and be profitable. I don't know.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, it'd be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits.

[Joe Rogan]

And, and, and this is, this is the only knock on the UCI have, is in order to get that 7.7 billion dollar deal, you have to put on, whatever it is, 45 fight cards a year, Right. So, like those fight nights. So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards. But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just, you know, you're signing these contenders series kids who have three fights, four fights, where 10 years ago, those boys ain't sniffing the UFC, it was so hard to get in. But now, because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, well, here's what's interesting. So one of the players in the purchasing of the ufc, of the rights of the UFC was Netflix. They're one of the players. They're one of the people that were thinking about doing it. So there was negotiations with them, there's negotiations with espn and ultimately Paramount was like this wild dark horse that came around with the big money.

[Joe Rogan]

And I like Paramount. I have no issues.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, look, I love.

[Joe Rogan]

Ads are weird, but whatever.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love Mobland. I love Land. Land. Yeah, Mobland is great. Ever watch that? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Audi is R6 in that. Me too. I was trying to convince my.

[Brendan Schaub]

I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive that.

[Joe Rogan]

They're sick. They're so sick.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's a great show. Yeah, but Paramount has awesome shows, so it makes sense. I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact there's no pay per view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it, because I think Netflix didn't want the. I might be talking out of school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard. Take this. Here's the caveat, is that Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not want Fight Night.

[Joe Rogan]

Good for them.

[Brendan Schaub]

They only wanted a big ones.

[Joe Rogan]

They're like that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, some of the fight nights are awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

We like them because we're degenerates. The public's like, who the are these guys?

[Brendan Schaub]

Apex. There's no one there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I love that Netflix. Like what? Take these.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love the Apex fights. I've been planning on going to an Apex fight card. I'm trying to find the right one. One just to go and watch. Let's go.

[Joe Rogan]

I would love that.

[Brendan Schaub]

I just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I feel like I don't have any enemies.

[Brendan Schaub]

I kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume. That's it. That's how they say it. Which we understood from the get go. Ted Sarandos, who I love Bella Bajaria. I don't knew her. We're very upfront with that. We're looking for big events. So the fact that you could give us one pay per view, which is just. Just. We were just going to put on the platform for free. As long as you're a subscriber, as long as you just give us that, we're in. We'll pay premium for it. But we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights.

[Joe Rogan]

They said we don't want the. Yeah, here's the thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

But but then where would those 30 fight nights go? That's the question.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, but then, then that fulfills pfl, Bellator or you Fight Pass. Yeah, Fight Pass could do that. But to. To again, the business side of it, the Zufa or TKO is going well. Hold on. The reason we get such a big nut seven, because we offer so much content, right? You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight every. Every once a month, which for the fans is fucking awesome.

[Brendan Schaub]

It makes sense for Zufa and it makes. It makes sense for Netflix. I get it. And all of it made sense.

[Joe Rogan]

It just wasn't a fit.

[Brendan Schaub]

But what I was getting at is now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money. Money. Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers. And now Netflix is in the MMA game.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm glad you brought that up. So have you heard anybody talk about it? Keep going.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dorks like you and me keep going. No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me, but that's okay. The point is they're gonna do it. And just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time selling live to tickets. Let's see if it's sold out.

[Joe Rogan]

It's definitely not. And the tickets are $88. But th. This is where it gets tricky because the. The more places fighters have to go, the better because UFC has no competition. It's a monopoly. All good. Which NFL is NBA is. I have no issues with that, right? So if fighters, big name fighters have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

The issue of this Netflix and getting mma, it's like my thing would be, well, what's the plan here? You know, so Rhonda and Gina fight this weekend. You got two four year olds fighting the main event. It's going to get good numbers. But again, and you know this, you've been in business with Netflix, they're not going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers.

[Brendan Schaub]

No. They don't tell you. They don't say you did great.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like, really?

[Brendan Schaub]

Did he?

[Joe Rogan]

So they're going to say, well, Jake

[Brendan Schaub]

Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that?

[Joe Rogan]

No, Netflix said 400 million people like that. Some.

[Brendan Schaub]

How many people have netfl I don't think they have that many.

[Joe Rogan]

I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people.

[Jamie]

Articles said that they have over 300 million subscribers.

[Brendan Schaub]

So 100 million people are.

[Joe Rogan]

So say 100 million. Yeah, yeah. So say. But so. And right now, you know, and I get run as being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, we're going to destroy the White House. I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will tell you they did.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets really good Numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, 33 million viewers on that front. That's really good. That's really good. I don't know what Sean Strickland, Hamza Chimaev numbers were. They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers? I'm guessing I might be wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

I think they have like 60 million. Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

How many subscribers does Paramount plus have?

[Joe Rogan]

But. But this is what you're not taking consideration. Paramount and the ufc, it's only in America. So in Canada and other. Like Paramount in Europe, there's. It's not a thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So what are those views now?

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, like when we're out of

[Brendan Schaub]

Paramount in other countries.

[Joe Rogan]

I. I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and like that they're watching on like Sky Sports. I think out there they have a different deal.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

And then Australia, I think, still has pay per view.

[Brendan Schaub]

Interesting that. I think you're right. Right. I think you're right. Okay. 79 million P subscribers. So that's a big difference between. It says globally.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Half of them are in the U.S.

[Brendan Schaub]

35 million are in the U.S. are there any countries where Paramount is not in. Let's. Let's put that into.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but I still think that that UFC deal is just for the U.S.

[Joe Rogan]

yeah, it's just for us.

[Brendan Schaub]

Just for us. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Cuz UK, Sky Sports.

[Brendan Schaub]

So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching. Reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight. That's an accurate number. 33 million. They're never going to get to that.

[Joe Rogan]

But remember, the White House is also on CBS.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's different.

[Joe Rogan]

How many people have CBS.

[Brendan Schaub]

How many people are watching regular TV? That's why maybe they might. 30 more views.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk. That's just on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's your rabbit ears. Pick it up. They still have regular tv. Man, regular TV is crazy. Crazy like some people have to move the antenna. The signals coming in bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy people.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's a people out there with regular tv. Yeah, that's wild. Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're just getting their news from like, you know, robots.

[Brendan Schaub]

Fox.

[Joe Rogan]

And

[Brendan Schaub]

they don't even get Fox. Fox is cable.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Regular tv, you ain't getting jack. They can swear on Fox. Fox.

[Joe Rogan]

Can they?

[Brendan Schaub]

I believe so. Because if it's on cable, I think you're allowed to swear. Oh, wow. I think so.

[Jamie]

Yeah. But I don't think Fox is Fox. Well, there's a broadcast version of Fox though.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right, but is it regulated?

[Jamie]

If it's broadcast, it is.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's the whole.

[Joe Rogan]

But Fox still.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right, but broadcast and cable. So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version? So there's a version over the air.

[Jamie]

What's. It's what? Available.

[Joe Rogan]

Available.

[Jamie]

What's available through the air?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie]

That's what that. Fcc.

[Brendan Schaub]

So the broadcast version, meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna.

[Jamie]

Yeah, there's like a local Fox.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, okay. Okay. You're right. You're right, you're right. Okay.

[Jamie]

Came way later.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable channel 31.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember we wanted children. Simpsons and Married With Children. Yeah, Simpsons too.

[Brendan Schaub]

Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I am hard to get.

[Jamie]

It was. Wasn't the strongest of signals most places.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay. But it was always broadcast. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

My. Have times changed now because there's like. You talk about Mobland. There's so many dope shows. There's so many good shows out there, but it's like hot for like a week. And then something else comes.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's too many things.

[Joe Rogan]

There's. There's too much. Like, I don't like. There'll never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down. We all just kind of binge it when we want. True. And there's a new show here.

[Brendan Schaub]

Gear.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not good, man. True.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's fact. That's fact.

[Joe Rogan]

Try selling a show right now. Like that. I was talking about that. My gearhead's gone wild on Tubi. Tubi has, I think 300 million subscribers. They're big, but trying to sell a show.

[Brendan Schaub]

These 300 million subscribers on Tubi.

[Joe Rogan]

Tubi's massive. I didn't know either. I didn't know either. When I first got the offer. I'm like where? But again trying to sell the show is tough. A car show tough dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

I didn't know to be had that many subscribers.

[Joe Rogan]

Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating this EPASt 100

[Jamie]

million monthly active users.

[Brendan Schaub]

But I don't know how many subscribers do they have total?

[Joe Rogan]

I know the, the number subscriber thing

[Brendan Schaub]

or is it like a YouTube thing? We could just like.

[Jamie]

I would imagine it's tiered. They have a. It says a free ad supported streaming service rather than subscription based model.

[Joe Rogan]

It's free but they, they have subscrib and then you can get the non ad paid where you pay I think.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

So you can just get it for free. Yeah, like YouTube, YouTube Red and Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

YouTube is probably the biggest. Well like they probably have the most active viewers worldwide.

[Joe Rogan]

Not even close, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, no one's.

[Joe Rogan]

But then remember they tried doing like shows and it just ate like YouTube Red, YouTube Red and they, they're like making offers.

[Brendan Schaub]

I remember YouTube. It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well. Like Mr. Beast.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but I think YouTube Red was like kind of a little before that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're like right, put your shows on here.

[Brendan Schaub]

And like they jumped the gun. Yeah, they jumped the gun. The Mr.

[Joe Rogan]

Beast was like or I'll just put my out and everybody in the world will watch it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Think about if you put your on YouTube there's literally an infinite number of options and channels else. That's the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see. Like the recommended for you is completely what you're interested in.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything's niche now. It's like. Like there's people out there we don't even know. And like my kids are like Daddy has 60 million subscribers. I'm like what the. I've never heard of this.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

You know how much money he's making? Yeah, it's all niche.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's that. But then there's also astroturfing. There's a lot of these. Astroturfing is when you have fake downloads, fake views. You have companies that you can hire and they will get you views. But here's the thing that's gonna fuck you. It'll fuck you. But the point is people still do it and they do it because you can do it right now. Right. And so what that means is like, say if you have millions and millions of subscribers, and then you look at the views. The views are hundreds of thousands of views. Then you look at the comments. Comments, like 5 comments, 6 comments. Like, what the.

[Joe Rogan]

Is going.

[Brendan Schaub]

What's going on here?

[Joe Rogan]

But it's a weird thing to do because in order to make money, YouTube sees the back end. So if you try to make money off your show, right, you're not going

[Brendan Schaub]

to make money, but it'll get bigger because of the number. So here's the thing. Like, so if you go to, like, brendonchob.com if you did that, if you have Brendan Chaub's YouTube channel, and I looked at it, I'm like, Damn, he's got 25 million subscribers. Well, I should subscribe. Subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it and they'll click on your views or your videos.

[Joe Rogan]

Because I think they're, like, missing out. Like, clearly this guy's doing something.

[Brendan Schaub]

Of course, it definitely. I don't. I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube. Like, oh, this guy's big. Yeah, big. Yeah, it. Definitely.

[Joe Rogan]

But then they're like, but there's three comments.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, there was a. There was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcast where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads. Back in the early days of audio only. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then someone came and regulated it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

But. But we. It's not like we were all in on it. Like, it was someone who was running because we're all kind of using the same audio thing. And I, I remember telling Brian, I'm like, do we have 30 million audio? 30 mil, dude, this month. And then Tom's like, Yeah, I got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then someone came in, was like, actually, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

What it was doing was like, every time someone clicked on it, it would count. So that, like, I. I'm talking completely.

[Joe Rogan]

If they started, stopped it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. Counted over and over again as multiple listens.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Brendan Schaub]

And I think they do that with other things too. Like, so you have to figure out, like, who. The actual number of people. But people have been accused of making, like, you can. You could pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers there's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact.

[Joe Rogan]

But some people in the background doesn't YouTube, don't they try to shut that shit down?

[Brendan Schaub]

They definitely do.

[Jamie]

Millions of bots over the weekend.

[Brendan Schaub]

100%. And I. I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it. Well, I'll lose like 100,000.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I lost 100,000.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. But, yeah, there are bots, 100%, and there's a ton of them. And they catch some of them, but some of them are more sophisticated in their approach. And then they adjust dust so once they realize what gets them caught. You could run an AI program. Yeah. So if you run an AI program and you have a. Like, if you're in Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts, and you can have them even commenting on things. And you'll notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative or. And it seems like a person, man, but you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob 567254. And then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's a person. And then you go to Bob's account and you're like, there's almost no chance that Bob's a person. Meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time. And most likely what this is, is it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid. Engage dialogue.

[Jamie]

Back in me and Shop. Talking about before you got here is some. I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The streamers, paying for cl. The next level of what you're describing. So it's not AI doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you heard of Clippers?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Jamie]

They're paying for. There's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload

[Joe Rogan]

of money, a ton of money.

[Jamie]

And they're posting because you'll think certain

[Joe Rogan]

people are bigger than they are. Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like, that's all by design.

[Brendan Schaub]

And you can pay for that too. So that's probably legal, right? So. No, I mean, no.

[Jamie]

Why would it?

[Brendan Schaub]

Should it be, right? I mean, it all depends on. What are you. What are you doing? Are you getting Money from it? Are you getting advertising revenue from it?

[Joe Rogan]

To your point, it's a false sense of fame because to your point, with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know him, and he's getting views online, but does that equal actual fans?

[Brendan Schaub]

I think it reinforces the fans that already love them. Yes. And a few people are going to hop on board, but as far as, like, your general casual, that will. They're not tune in for a UFC fight card. No, not necessarily.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's also a younger demo, right? Like, have you watched a stream?

[Brendan Schaub]

No. You're older than me. No. Never watch the stream. No.

[Joe Rogan]

I had to talk with a streaming company the other day. I'm like, do what? Wait, wait, you want me to seven days a week, turn on the camera and air my. Just, like, breakfast and, like, hanging out with my fans, family.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, the streaming thing is nuts, where people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back? And you're just ranting and raving and talking online all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Can't be good. But then, like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it. Making stupid money.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. But, you know, it's a good move for Rampage. You know, he's not fighting anymore. Yeah, it's a good move. Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast that's doing well. It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different things.

[Joe Rogan]

He's crushing other.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he's also got a great personality, so he's great. He's perfect for it. Perfect for that. But some people, you know, it ain't their thing. Shouldn't be doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

But streaming is, like, the biggest thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie sound as. But we're old.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Also that's live. You know, it's also. It's like, what are you doing with your life? Like, I got things to do. I can't sit in front of the camera for five hours a day. I don't understand how anybody does it.

[Joe Rogan]

But also, is it that entertaining?

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, my life's not lit on camera and then they watch a bunch of things and react to things. There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them. Like, for our channel, there was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming my show and commenting on it.

[Joe Rogan]

Like reaction videos.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Getting mad about things. Yeah. Doing stuff. But they were doing that through the. They were playing the whole show out.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, that's illegal.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, it was very shady. It was very weird because they Were of kind commenting on it, but it was like your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content. But you know, it's weird. You know, you're dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever you're doing. It's, it's. There was a lot of that going on. And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's Mr. Beast show and commenting on that or other shows are coming on that. So they're watching stuff online. Someone will send them a video of a guy getting the street fight. The comment on that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And then there's reaction videos and they're interacting with all these people that are in the, in the comments.

[Joe Rogan]

Making money off of it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And they're talking to these people that are in the comments. It's like, first of all, if you think that social media is bad for your mental health.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yesterday I was driving down, I dropped my kids off and I was going somewhere. I was going to this, this car shop. My truck's in the shop and I was, I was driving my father in law's car and I see a highest school bus. Lake Travis High School. I live right by Lake Travis. I see a Lake Travis High school bus pull up. I just look over every single kid

[Brendan Schaub]

staring at them on their phone. Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Not talking to each other, not saying it. It bummed me out so bad, you know, the fun we used to have on that bus. And no one's, no one's talking to each other. I know the bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

I want to jump on that bus. Like, hey, listen, I know I'm one the only. Dude, you guys are fucking up right now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, you're right. But it is also where human beings are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the digital world. And this is the first steps, these are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day.

[Joe Rogan]

But we know it's not good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh yeah, no, it's not good.

[Joe Rogan]

So we're just gonna continue to go down this shit road. You don't think there's anything we can do?

[Brendan Schaub]

Nope, Nope. People are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I don't see anything change changing. I think if anything it's going to get more invasive and then it's probably the, I mean, who knows, just guessing what the next technology is going to be. But as this technology moves forward, it's going to get more invasive. It's going to get more. You're going to interact with more people through whatever the it is, however they're going to do it, whether it's going to be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset set and you're reading each other's minds or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality or virtual reality.

[Joe Rogan]

Anybody's like, man, we're head Demic.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're not going to. No one's going to. They're going to keep doing too much money. No, it's just everyone's addicted and everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information. I get all my like, ideas about, like, how the world is working from social media. Not, not social media commentary, but social media stories. Well, someone will post like, this is going on in Iran. This is going on here. I get it off social media, I get it off of X. But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Stacy.

[Brendan Schaub]

And you gotta find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement. Because there's a lot of click. A lot of just clickbait bullshit. Majority is, yeah, there's a lot of that. But you also find breaking news and you also find things that you wouldn't know about. About, you know, like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and certain, certain really crazy stories. They're like, how am I not hearing about this? This is, this should be huge.

[Joe Rogan]

But you don't think it's gonna be like. And I know we have to use it. You don't think it's gonna be kind of like cigarettes like in 60s where everyone was doing it. And then eventually the parents of those kids, I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the.

[Brendan Schaub]

This is so bad for you. If it was a substance, I would agree. The problem, it is addictive. But the problem is it's all facets of your life. It is your calendar, it is your email, it is how you take pictures and all your memories. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people, I don't even have their phone numbers. I just, they DM me and I DM them. You know, I have friendships with people that I just dm. So it's, there's that. But that's basically the problem is that it's, it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes never really were.

[Joe Rogan]

We're Relying on it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Know you. You could. There was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even when people smoked cigarettes. Like, let's look this up. Throw this into perplexity. Young Jamie, please. During the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked? Let's guess.

[Joe Rogan]

God, back in the.

[Brendan Schaub]

Back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever, I think it was 50%.

[Joe Rogan]

That'd be high, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Crazy high.

[Joe Rogan]

30.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crazy high. I was thinking like 33, but it might be higher because those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in their hand. Johnny Carson, Joe, everyone. Yeah. People walking on the street, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke on trains.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Everybody was walking down the street smoking. But what percentage of those people were doing it? Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

40 to 45. Wow.

[Brendan Schaub]

In the mid-1960s, the height of cigarette use in the U.S. roughly 40 to 45% of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults. Wow.

[Jamie]

That's a.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung association summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around. From around 40 to 43% in 1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022. I think it's back. I think people are smoking.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? I feel like it's lower.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think people are smoking. I see it a lot.

[Jamie]

Outlawed it in San Francisco. Outside.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's hilarious. Gay. That's. That's San Francisco.

[Joe Rogan]

That makes sense.

[Brendan Schaub]

The San Francisco tree. Well, you hear what they're doing in the uk. If you were born before or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21.

[Joe Rogan]

Just to stop people from.

[Brendan Schaub]

Exactly. So people that were born in, like, whatever year, whatever year they. They set it up that when they turn 21, they will not be able to buy cigarettes.

[Joe Rogan]

Just try and eliminate.

[Brendan Schaub]

But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you're born at a different time. They say, oh, you're. You don't know any better.

[Joe Rogan]

So stupid.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's. They're. It's communism, it's socialism.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't they just run out the. Was it prime minister of the.

[Brendan Schaub]

They still there?

[Joe Rogan]

I thought they ran him out to bring somebody else in.

[Brendan Schaub]

They probably want to. Yeah. But the point is, it's like that kind of woke socialism. It's like it's the government telling you what to do.

[Joe Rogan]

Do.

[Brendan Schaub]

When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money, because they'll definitely do that eventually, too. But what they do is they tell you what you can say correct. They tell you what you can do, they tell you what medications you have to take. It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think. And they're going to protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is banana.

[Joe Rogan]

So dumb.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's bananas. This, it's dumb.

[Joe Rogan]

But. But England's lost their way, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

They've lost their identity.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a show.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis. Primarily also other things, but criticizing the government. And now they threw away jury trials for those things. So now it's a judge. And so you don't even get people like you, your peers to sit there and go no, this guy shouldn't go to jail. His daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said some wild about immigrants and no, he shouldn't be in jail for that.

[Joe Rogan]

But I think if you don't like, what's the agenda? Just to ruin, just ruin the control.

[Brendan Schaub]

So shrink you down to 15 minute cities. They're implementing that in part of the UK. The other thing is a digital credit system, right? So a digital, A digital credit score, a social score and some sort of centralized digital currency which I think will probably, they're probably going to try to move us all into eventually. But if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency then you have what they have in China. So in China, if you up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuck face. You can't buy a plane ticket.

[Joe Rogan]

That's wild.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, you, you can't get a loan, you can't get for a house and it keeps people in line and then the government can do its job without protests.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, can I piss real quick?

[Brendan Schaub]

Let's piss too.

[Joe Rogan]

Fucking.

[Brendan Schaub]

I gotta pissed.

[Joe Rogan]

Energy drinks.

[Brendan Schaub]

We'll be right back folks.

[Joe Rogan]

So much better.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know it's hard to concentrate when you have to piss, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

You were talking, I was like, oh man, I really want to handle this moment to piss my pants.

[Brendan Schaub]

What were we talking about? Let's talk about your show.

[Joe Rogan]

So cigar brother? Yeah, dude, last time I smoking, last time I smoke it, I smoked it backwards. I got roasted so hard online.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know, I didn't notice.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't notice. But maybe I just smoking backwards from now on.

[Brendan Schaub]

Switch it up. It is funny though, but it's really the same. It's just where the label is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah man.

[Brendan Schaub]

What are these?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards.

[Brendan Schaub]

You are a rebel. There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Thanks Brother.

[Brendan Schaub]

Here's the clipper. You know how this works?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Thanks.

[Brendan Schaub]

Make sure you clip the right spot. That one. There you go. Yeah, on that. This, this cigar is different. Different because it's not a torpedo like the other one. So the other one you could get more confused because both ends were pointy. Do you know how to do that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Do you need help?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I got a big deal. No, dude, you know me. Cigars, I smoked only in here.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, you light it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's right.

[Brendan Schaub]

So your show. So your show is on 2B.

[Joe Rogan]

2B. Hey, so light this part.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, the.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, no, but this part.

[Brendan Schaub]

Which. Yeah, light this part.

[Joe Rogan]

It's dudes tricky, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no, light.

[Joe Rogan]

Just light.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, light the part that you didn't cut. What is it called? What's your show called?

[Joe Rogan]

Ghead's Gone Wild.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, that's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Just like Girls Gone Wild. Same text and everything.

[Brendan Schaub]

Everything. Is that a problem?

[Joe Rogan]

No, hell no. That guy's, I think in on the Lamb in Mexico. I think we're good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is he really hiding?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think so. Either way, we're good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Didn't he get like kidnapped and they.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, it turned out pretty sad for him. Yeah, it's a car. I mean, it's what we would be doing anyways, you know. And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. So like I went to Calvo. Calvo Vipers. He scared the out of me. Calvo Vipers. I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. I'm obsessed with safari Porsches, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, you like those? God, those off road ones?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, I think Russell makes them. Russell? I forget the exact name, but Russell does. I. I don't know what the it is when it's an off road like that. That just that vibe. I don't know what it is to. Dude, I love them, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Why do you love off road ones?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off road car to.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Brendan Schaub]

Where?

[Joe Rogan]

I bet, I bet. Especially in California like Johnson Valley and all that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But out here there's. There's places out here people have been hitting me up about. Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

But when you take, when you go off roading, generally you're going off roading with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and you can't really do that in an off road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Russell built Fab oo That's dope looking, dude. Some dad had one at the baseball.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a 993.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, wow. So they take a 993 and. And. Ooh, that's pretty.

[Joe Rogan]

It's my favorite thing in the world. I don't know why.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Perfect daily driver too. Don't have to re up.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know, I have a problem with. With those extra front headlights they stick on the hood. I do not like them. I think it up the lines of the car.

[Joe Rogan]

Agree. You could because you could put those on that front there. Just take them on the body in the dark.

[Brendan Schaub]

Shut the up. You ain't really off road. I mean you're off roading but you're not in the woods. Oh, Joe, don't get twisted at night time.

[Joe Rogan]

Like all my trucks. I have that Ram 2500 AV. That thing's never seen the dirt.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right? But that's different. Just a truck that looks fine with the extra lights on it and. Yeah, but I agree. I think it's like whenever I see those old 911s like the 1972s and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

What are you doing? You're ruining the lines of one of the most beautiful creations.

[Joe Rogan]

A bats out of fake tits. You're like, what are you doing?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, it's like extra fake tits. Like you've got two fake tits on your. Yeah, you get some collarbone tits. Like get those out of there. They don't belong long there. More is not always better. And the shape of a Porsche. Especially those long nose Porsches. Oh, it's so beautiful when you have dumbass headlights on the hood. Like cat.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just not meant to be.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, get out of here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I like different. I don't like. I agree those, that those, those headlights do up the lines. But like the thing, I'm really, I'm just into different. Like I like when they swap the LS's in the Porsches too.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh yeah, that's dope. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just the sound shop.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's. It's like that, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics. That's like, oh my God. What you, you should go to jail for that. Oh, dude, I brought water cooled LS engine in a Porsche, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

This guy's like, he, he's the head guy for Porsche driving. He's driving me around and I go man, you ever. You ever drew one of those LS Porsches? And he was like, what the. You just say. I'm like, you don't get down those. He's like, no. I'm like, yeah, those are gay. So gay.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, they're awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I just like different ship men. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had one of those. What? What's the Japanese cat that does the Y bodies?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I know you're talking about.

[Brendan Schaub]

I saw rwb.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah, he. He had one of those with an LS in it. It's pretty sick.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's. There's companies that do that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah, they're sick. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's like £2,000, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

And all I do is search Facebook marketplace for rs, Swap Porsches. God, you can get some good deals because no one really wants them.

[Brendan Schaub]

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, because everybody wants the air cooled. Because the air cooled has that raspy.

[Joe Rogan]

They are the best. It's a great.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's a wild sound. That air cooled sound is a wild sound.

[Joe Rogan]

As I'm getting older too, it's like, you know, I've had trucks with 1400 horsepower. I've had cars with 1100 horsepower. And then if you just get an old school Porsche, air cooled with 250 horsepower, manual, it's all you need, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

As you get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this horsepower?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's not about. You're not racing it.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know, you're not on a track.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude. I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his baseball game and my car was running hot. My TRX 1400 horsepower is running hot. Not. I converted to twin turbo Hellcat engine. It's like 1400. It's run on E85 fuel. There's no E85 out there. I'm in the middle of like Dripping Springs. I had to pull over on the side of the road because it's. The engine was smoking. I just went, what the am I doing, man? Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm taking it to the track.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Who am I doing this for?

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, a Hennessey has a thousand and you can drive it everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's probably the way to do it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hennessy trx. Yeah, they're Greatnessy Raptor.

[Joe Rogan]

I almost bought one of those Those. And then I got that AV Ram and I linked up with Diesel R and we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got a freaking stealth bigger turbo on there, fast fuel system.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, bro, let me get my pants.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. I don't know if you're into that stuff, but I'm. I'm picking it up today. It's finally done.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude, that sounds fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh dude, I can't wait.

[Brendan Schaub]

That sounds fun. Yeah. So the idea is you just driving around, going to different places is having people do different things with cars.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Check out what people are doing. Different mods. They're doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And it's like that old school like car shows that we grew up on. Like it'll throw up facts about Porsches about the car. It just pop up with that stuff. And that's like our boys. Like Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX. He has like120,000 miles on it. That's it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, that thing's so busted up. But he just drives it every day. He off roads it. He just. We go in his car. I'm like, dude, I. I said no go. I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell everybody when I get in the car with him. I know it's for tv. I don't need your show off. Nobody's trying to get hurt. He's like, I got you, man. And was just ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun. But it's. Yeah, just we like, you know, and then someone's like, you want to do a TV show with? I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's interesting how much that's a male thing. There are women that are into car, but I don't know any women. I mean, I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars. No, no, some of them, some of them like cars. They're into it. Some. But like for me it's like that is one of the one things about having some money that is worth it. Like I always tell people having a nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house, but after a while it just becomes your house.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and a couc. A nice bed to sleep on, you're set. You're Kind of set.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a n. Nice house is not much different.

[Joe Rogan]

Agree.

[Brendan Schaub]

The difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride to work. You are at Disneyland. You would wait in line to get in that car and you're boom, boom. And you're shifting your own gears. It's fun.

[Joe Rogan]

And the.

[Brendan Schaub]

You have.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, I live through you because, you know, obviously we're in different tax brackets. You know, I got to do my thing on Facebook Marketplace. And I picked up tires the other day and guy goes, holy bread. And shop buys tires on Facebook Marketplace. Go. Yeah, dude. Who doesn't want a deal, man? Put those in the back for me, dude. But yeah, you got one of those poor. I think it's your Gunther Porsche.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And you took a picture. You're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and stare at him. I'm like, dude, I've never.

[Brendan Schaub]

I do. I stare at it sometimes. Sit in the garage and look at it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's a piece of art.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. All carbon fiber.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude. Some. When I. When I see like that, that, that. That type of Porsche, like the Gunther work or I'll see a certain car. I'm just like, I. I can't even describe the. It's like, dude, that is so sick.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Do you see the Gunther works made a twin turbo slant nose.

[Joe Rogan]

I sent it to you.

[Brendan Schaub]

Peter Nam sent it to me too. The owner of the company sent it to me. Oh. You know. Yeah. Well, I bought it off him. I bought one off him. Not that. Not the slant nose.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't know if you're dealing with, like, customer service.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no. I deal with Peter. He's awesome. But that's it. That car is insane. They raced that one against a GT3RS and it buried it. Buried GT3RS. Buried it. Yeah, they did some rolling race, like from 30 miles an hour, and literally it just. Just shot ahead like the other car was 1,067 horsepower. It's nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? Please search. What does the. The new. The slant nose Gunther works way. Because they're carbon fiber 100. They're carbon fiber 2000 something. Yeah. Yeah. I bet it's about 2, 400 pounds. 2727 7. So it's close, but the. The engine's probably super heavy. Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there.

[Joe Rogan]

But what engine are. Is it the. I think it's four liter, twin turbo, flat six.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And it's air cooled, which is so nuts. A thousand horsepower flat six, air cooled engine is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy, brother. And people, everyone like you talk to anyone like, I want a thousand horsepower. You think you want a thousand horsepower. Now, it's not like your ZRX ZR1X. It's not like that. Like if you buy it or like at my demon 170 if you.

[Brendan Schaub]

From the factory.

[Joe Rogan]

From the factory.

[Brendan Schaub]

You're good.

[Joe Rogan]

When you have a TRX or your Corvette or, you know, I've had other trucks. My Ford Lightning. If you're reaching a thousand horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems? You do not.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a nightmare. And then every week I was in the shop calling buddy, doing something. I'm like, this is exhausting.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, this won't be like that. Like, the Gunther works ones are reliable. I've never.

[Joe Rogan]

Those are great.

[Brendan Schaub]

But the question is, does that have any traction control?

[Joe Rogan]

Hopefully not.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, Jamie, could you please look up whether or not these new Gunther Works Porsches have traction control? I don't know how they can do that. Now. I know they can do it. There's like a computer thing that you could buy.

[Joe Rogan]

Is Gunther's in California. You. Where are they at?

[Brendan Schaub]

I believe so. Yeah. 99. Sure, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

If you should connect with him because I'd love to do an episode with him.

[Brendan Schaub]

A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage. Modern electronics like motorsports grade ABS and traction control. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. It's nice that it has abs too. That's dope.

[Joe Rogan]

That's.

[Brendan Schaub]

You're gonna need it. You're going. But see if you can find the race between the GT3 R S in the slant nose, bro. It is hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

And the sound it makes is orgasmic. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't imagine how much that thing is.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wonderful. Oh, it's got to be a million dollars. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Here, here's my problem with Porsche is even 20 years ago, when I. My very first car I bought when I had money I got from podcast my s. 15 years ago, I bought just your base 911. Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911. I could afford it. It was, I don't know, 80 grand. Now Porsche has become. It's almost like what Ferrari was 10 years ago, where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man. It's pricing out their market. So now it's become. And we've been on Porsche for how long? Like we've always talked about forever. Forever. It's our.

[Brendan Schaub]

Watch this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie]

It's Top Gear.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, it's Top Gear. Yeah. Top Gear.

[Joe Rogan]

Great.

[Brendan Schaub]

Great channel.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

So these guys, they do a rolling start, I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million dol. Way safer. Do it that way. Watch this. When they get to 30, look at that interior, dude. Watch this. Go,

[Joe Rogan]

bro.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's not even close. It's not even close. It's not even close.

[Joe Rogan]

That's insane.

[Brendan Schaub]

And the GT3RS is a fast car, but this was not his car, obviously. This is, you know, someone else's car that they're letting him test best. And so whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars. How much did they cost?

[Jamie]

1.2.

[Brendan Schaub]

$1.2 million? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That again, that's my only issue with Porsche now, is because if you want a GT3RS, they're so expensive, man, it's like.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, people flip them. A lot of people flip them because they're really hard to get, too. Yeah, it's just a lot of demand for.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

We're back in the day. You could. If even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere. Somewhere and you'd be okay. And now it's almost like Ferrari, where it's unattainable for a lot of people.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, you know what? A lot of people are doing six.

[Jamie]

What's $400,000 more? It's 1.6 million.

[Brendan Schaub]

That car is 1.6 is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Worth every penny.

[Brendan Schaub]

If you got that loot, if you got that loop, please buy it. One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 911T. You know the T. Yep. And they're taking that and juicing it up to, like 700 plus horsepower and, you know, putting some mods on it.

[Joe Rogan]

Now you're talking about language.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Because you can do for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo. And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear wheel drive.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. And you can get them for pretty. Pretty. I don't say cheap, but cheaper.

[Brendan Schaub]

Cheaper.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, yeah, it's so tough, man, to get some of Those, like the GT3 RSS, you got to be allocated or it's like 150 over markup. Like, it's tough these days in the Porsche business. They're crushing it. It's good for them.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

But again, for, like, my kids, hopefully they're fortunate Enough where they're making good money. Money. But it's gonna be really tough to get in a Porsche, man. It's just, it's a different. The Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day. It wasn't that.

[Brendan Schaub]

It wasn't, no. You know, it used to be much more affordable. It was the more affordable supercar and a daily driving supercar, but you know, the market. And it's also. Things change, right, because now everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Unless you buy a GT3. They're Twin Turbo. Well, yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You know, I think too, one of the reasons I went away from exotics because I mean, you know, I Even modded my GT2Rs like I'm an idiot, but it loses value in them.

[Brendan Schaub]

So when you mod them.

[Joe Rogan]

When you mod them. Yeah, them up and I, I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why I went so heavy in American. Because, you know, the C6 is all, all the American stuff you can mod the out of and there's a market there. You're not losing your ass. And they're cheaper to mod. Like when I would mod a Ferrari Buddy exhaust, whatever the turbos, esp, if you want to do a tune. It's a nightmare, man. Nightmare.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, well, it's all. To me, it's all about enjoyment. Right. And so like, what do you, what do you, what are you getting out of it if you're not like racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and correcting and you're not really doing that with most cars. You're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me, me, I love the feel of a V8. Like I have one of those Shelby Super Snakes. Yeah, it's a six speed.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't you get the Super Snake R?

[Brendan Schaub]

It hasn't got it yet. It's on the way. I love that car because it's a modern muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old school muscle car, but it's all modern and it's perfect. Starts every time, interior is great. And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed. Just normal speed. Just driving to work normal, not speeding, just you feel like you're doing something fun.

[Joe Rogan]

And do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X?

[Brendan Schaub]

No. No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on another planet. It's. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far. Like, when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack. We drove it around Coda. I was like this thing is huge. Crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's so fast and it handles so well and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not. You're not shifting your own gears, you're not using the clutch. It's all about that. The. The driving experience is about engagement. And if you're not using a manual, you're missing you. You're gonna have fun. Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette you're gonna have a lot of fun. Great car. But shifting your own. You know they finally started making a. A gear. A manual transm transmission for the C8.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. So it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

Is the grand sport coming in manual?

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette. I don't know if there are in the future. But you can buy one now. So see what the company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw that.

[Joe Rogan]

Like oh. Because that's the only knock I've heard on like actual car guys with zr1x Mexico. Fast as it's great but it's kind of doing it for you. Like the. The drive's different. Like it's so.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship.

[Joe Rogan]

You're.

[Brendan Schaub]

Luke Skywalker does not offer a manual trans. Tremec. Okay. Tremec has developed a six speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers it not real for production. What does that mean?

[Joe Rogan]

But Tremec makes.

[Brendan Schaub]

But they make it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Are they selling it? Is Tremek not selling selling it? Or did they make it just for funsies? Because Tremek made the transmission on my super. They make the best transmissions. Tremex new six speed manual transactional opens the door for manual swap vets and other creations.

[Joe Rogan]

So you can do it.

[Brendan Schaub]

This is what I would do. What I would do is get a Z06 and put a manual in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Now we're cooking. Let's go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette.

[Joe Rogan]

I get that Z06 and that orange.

[Brendan Schaub]

No word yet on price timeline or going to cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a three pedal transmission. That is the problem. Because you're going to have to.

[Joe Rogan]

And the ecu, that's a big problem. Like the biggest problem I've had is with the ecu. People don't realize, you know the. The guys who do all the mods they do, but it's like, I got a 2024 Ram. And right away I'm like, all right, what mods am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's transmission banks, I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R. And they're like, you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah, what's up? Low miles, man. Like I up like, why? Like, because 2024 and up. There's no way to unlock that ECU like you have. We have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Because every. Because everybody wants that. You're looking at seven grand for unlocked ecu. And that's just the ECU that's not adding any power. That's just to get it so you can add them power.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh my God, that's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And then diesel are. They were like, dude, we, we have one. I'm like, no way.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, how about this new law that they just passed where your car is going to monitor you and then they're going to have a kill switch in your car. So to keep people from drinking and driving, or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter and just shut your car down. I think that's even more recent.

[Joe Rogan]

To buy old traffic.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, a lot of reason to buy old. Put that please into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed and what the law entails, because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know what these.

[Joe Rogan]

California first.

[Brendan Schaub]

Let's pass nationwide. And Thomas Massey voted against it. And I think Federman might have voted against it too. I'm not sure. Rich, Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah, but this is how it starts. The problem is if it has a kill switch. Ask. Ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it.

[Jamie]

I mean, it probably is going to

[Brendan Schaub]

be in here, right? Okay, why people call it a kill switch? Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides your impaired. So that's a kill switch. So that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct.

[Brendan Schaub]

That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your car and you're, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's the Trojan horse. Like they get you in with that. It's for safety.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's the Thing.

[Jamie]

May is a key word in there.

[Brendan Schaub]

May be able. Well, the thing about that is I think they already have that with the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car.

[Joe Rogan]

Car. Correct. You can shut it down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. So that's the security. If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chaub has run from the law and you're trying to get to Canada.

[Joe Rogan]

But can't they do that with your Teslas?

[Brendan Schaub]

That's probably. I mean, it's a computer.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a computer.

[Brendan Schaub]

Of course they probably can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla has canceled the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they could all go away and I wouldn't give two. I know he's your boy, but I just don't care. Do your thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

I drive it all the time. I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

With all the cars.

[Brendan Schaub]

Cars you have, I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the one thing I'm like, I love it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Listen, I love V8. Look, I drove my Raptor here, you know, Raptor's badass.

[Jamie]

A fanboy would say that it's just gonna be replaced by that roadster that they haven't shown yet.

[Brendan Schaub]

So. Yeah, but the Roadster is a two seater. My car is a four seater, four door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds.

[Joe Rogan]

But why would they get rid of it?

[Brendan Schaub]

I've never had four. Because they're my car. You never would.

[Jamie]

I've never had four people in my car.

[Brendan Schaub]

You haven't. But like. So like the other day I had to pick up my daughter because she was, she was being driven and the car they were driving got a flat and I was on my way home at the exact same time and I picked her up and her friends.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dope.

[Brendan Schaub]

So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front. Yeah, I got everybody in my car, no problem. I like having a four door. I have a family. I know you're a single guy. Like for you a roadster would be fine.

[Jamie]

That's just a up that, you know, not for you. It's a small little car. Anyway, I'd like. The X is pretty dope too.

[Brendan Schaub]

They.

[Jamie]

Oh, they also cancel the X. I

[Brendan Schaub]

know the X is dope. Actually Tiffany Haddish one had one and she showed me that they could dance in the parking lot. I was like, this is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I only do four. I don't have anything two door anymore. Because, kiddos, from sauce to dust to nuggets, it's Taco Bell's new Diablo Dusted Crispy Chicken Nuggets.

[Brendan Schaub]

Are they mild?

[Joe Rogan]

If they were mild, they'd have to change the name to Little Rascal Nuggets or Minor Nuisance Nuggets. Definitely Diablo. New Diablo Dusted Crispy Chicken Nuggets. A brand new classic. Only a Taco bell at participating U.S. taco Bell locations for a limited time and while supplies last. Like, I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it has to have four doors.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, I mean, I have two door cars, but I always have to have a sedan. I like a sedan.

[Joe Rogan]

Your kids are older though, too.

[Brendan Schaub]

If I didn't have a Tesla and I have a sedan, what I would get is The Cadillac. The CT5V Black Wing. Let's preach.

[Joe Rogan]

And you can get a manual.

[Brendan Schaub]

You can get the new one. The F1 is only in manuals. The. The highest horsepower. 685. I don't know why I couldn't say that word. 685 horse. I know you do. We both suffer from marble mouth, brother. 685 horsepower. And it's only manual. But take my money, I want an automatic if it's that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, manual sounds fun. But if you're driving it all the time, especially where, you know, if you're living in la. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know, depending on where you're living.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Jamie, that could be you, bud.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, we were just in New Jersey, bro. That's you, Jamie.

[Jamie]

I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like, it's. I'm gonna drive it 10 miles a day.

[Brendan Schaub]

It does. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's an awesome 10 miles.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, it's not, dude. The feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine.

[Jamie]

Can't go anywhere on 30 traffic.

[Brendan Schaub]

Give me some volume and let's hear this. Driving one in this car. Yeah. Well, Jamie's not really a car park guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Very, very.

[Jamie]

Drive it to the golf course. But like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's once a week.

[Brendan Schaub]

How much better you play the sound. Look at that. With all carbon around it. Let me hear it. Drive drives. Drive a.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go.

[Brendan Schaub]

How the engine reacts to that. Oh, why. Why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video of this and not have.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You want to sell cars or not?

[Brendan Schaub]

For me, please. Is. Here it is. Just, just, just click that, though. That's the black.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there we go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my dick just got hard.

[Joe Rogan]

And we can spice that up. Jamie, you sent it to me for a day, bubba.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine.

[Joe Rogan]

I get this just muffler, son.

[Brendan Schaub]

Get it really loud. But the thing is just that alone. There we go. Come on, dog. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Jamie]

I mean, it's not bad.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, he's in.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude, you don't understand. Baby.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what you want.

[Brendan Schaub]

Nuts. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack those up above thousand all the time.

[Jamie]

Oh, that's gonna get robbed out here then.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, come on.

[Jamie]

We're Texas.

[Brendan Schaub]

Where you parking? You going to the ghetto to buy crap?

[Jamie]

I don't drive anywhere.

[Brendan Schaub]

So where's he going?

[Joe Rogan]

Come on. You live in a nice place.

[Brendan Schaub]

Are you buying crack?

[Joe Rogan]

She got covered parking.

[Brendan Schaub]

You don't need it. But it's fun.

[Jamie]

I just think of gone 60 seconds. When you've got a dope car and people know you've got a dope car and you're seen driving that dope car, they're gonna follow you in that dope with our friend. He got followed.

[Joe Rogan]

What's wrong with you?

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, Julian.

[Jamie]

Yeah, shit's gonna happen. Dope Tesla.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's in Dallas buying tacos at 3 in the morning.

[Jamie]

Million Tesla's all over the place.

[Brendan Schaub]

I drive and he's got a Ferrari.

[Joe Rogan]

I drive.

[Brendan Schaub]

Ferrari is different than a Cadillac.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never had. Have you had any issues? I've never. Especially out here.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, you can catch an issue every now and then. But the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. Like you. You can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your life.

[Jamie]

It happened on Fifth Street, a block away from the club, not too long ago. Yeah, on right in front of Eddie's.

[Brendan Schaub]

People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact.

[Joe Rogan]

Not where I live. Come on to this.

[Brendan Schaub]

Come.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on over to the burbs, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

So you think if you have like one of them. Cybertruck. So supposedly cybertruck is coming out with an suv?

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe. Yeah. I don't know.

[Brendan Schaub]

Allegedly. Could be cool. Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me. He knows.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll tell you.

[Brendan Schaub]

I got a big mouth online.

[Jamie]

People have showed things, but, like, we don't really know.

[Brendan Schaub]

What are they? What have they showed potential?

[Jamie]

Like, it looks a little bit like the mix between an X and a cyber truck.

[Brendan Schaub]

See, that would be a smart move for them to make a cyber truck. That's an suv. It's a smart move because you Already have the ship shape. Just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Extend the seats.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Have the seats back more. And you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like, you know, like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could.

[Joe Rogan]

Or have a. All that noise and get a Hellcat Durango. Cuz. So Stellantis does. Hellcat's back, baby. Pretty dope.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hellcat, Durango.

[Joe Rogan]

Godfather the Hellcat. Tim is back running Dodge.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes. That's what like.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank God. Dodge crushing it.

[Brendan Schaub]

They got silly with that electric thing.

[Joe Rogan]

They had some French guy running it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is that what it was?

[Joe Rogan]

Killed.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And killed America. Facts.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's what it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Boom.

[Brendan Schaub]

He wanted. Want to destroy America.

[Joe Rogan]

Facts. Pon to beat Throwon.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was like the most iconic American, like V8 powered cars were Dodge. Dodge Viper. Well, that's a V10 Dodge Viper. You had. But just big engines, right? You had. Had, you know, gasoline engines. You had. Of course, the Challenger. Challenger. Hellcat. Hellcat. Red eye.

[Joe Rogan]

They crushed it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crushed it. Are they going to discontinue the Challenger?

[Joe Rogan]

No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So they up and came out with a Challenger, all electric. And it ate a charger.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wasn't a charger.

[Joe Rogan]

And a. And a Challenger too. They did both. Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

You can't change.

[Joe Rogan]

They're coming out with a charger that's gas powered.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, the charge is dope. I've seen some reviews.

[Joe Rogan]

Pretty cool.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as here. Now we're talking. Jamie, what do you think of that? This?

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Brendan Schaub]

Here we go. Look at that. Jamie. Here you go.

[Jamie]

Clubs fit in there? Usually, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Now we're talking.

[Joe Rogan]

The Durango kept dodging the engine.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8. Like a. You're gonna come in here with a hairy chest. Yeah, dude. God damn. American. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're on to this.

[Joe Rogan]

Now we're onto this.

[Brendan Schaub]

We're on to this. That's what you need.

[Jamie]

I wasn't. This is awesome. People love these. Dude, this is a robbery car. The Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Trackhawks are great dudes.

[Jamie]

Not that many of them. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And people are okay. How about you get a Hennessy. Tell them to leave the badges off.

[Joe Rogan]

Hennessy's are so fun.

[Brendan Schaub]

Just have Hennessy do it and leave the badges off, bro. Did you.

[Joe Rogan]

Did You.

[Brendan Schaub]

So it just looks like a regular one. A sleeper.

[Jamie]

I do just be worried the whole time.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my.

[Joe Rogan]

What world are you living in? Dude, did you see Hennessy did a Super Duty. Hennessy finally did a Ford Super Duty.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I love it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hennessy does dope, dude. They do dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take the Black Wing and see that. That's why with.

[Joe Rogan]

With Tubi, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go. They do good. Do you know, John, me and him had a conversation you should do.

[Brendan Schaub]

You should do a show with him.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why I want to do a show with him. I want to go to Gun Gunther. Yeah, but John's great. He's up the road.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's great. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine.

[Joe Rogan]

Me and him had a combo because when I was building my rap to get to 1400 horsepower, I called him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, I'll. I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. They're great. He's. Peter's very cool, too. Smokes his track Hawk. Yeah, dude. Oh, the. The Durang with the Hellcat.

[Jamie]

He's a little faster. He smokes them.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Matt's probably not a Hennessy one.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, those. It doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat. One of those things. You're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower.

[Joe Rogan]

They're awesome, Jamie.

[Brendan Schaub]

And it's the red.

[Joe Rogan]

The red Terrier. It's awesome.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, we're sales people. We're selling Dodge.

[Jamie]

That actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay. Whichever one it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Either way, pick your.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was dope.

[Joe Rogan]

Get one.

[Brendan Schaub]

I would. 100 drive one of those. 100?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you.

[Brendan Schaub]

I might. I might get one, too. You get one.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's get three.

[Jamie]

Where do you charge it?

[Brendan Schaub]

Let's go charge it. How dare you, you son of a. But you know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. He was. I was on the phone with him when I was in the studio. He told me that gas is $7.90 a gallon in LA right now, and

[Joe Rogan]

that's down from what it was. I was out there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up to 840something.

[Brendan Schaub]

Here's what I don't understand. Are we getting oil from Iran? No. That's maybe 3 or 4%. So just us?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. They just know. Oh, Americans know. If we go to war, we can Increase the gas price so we just go along with it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is that real or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go. And so it, they need to make that money. So they just fuck you. Isn't it funny? Like they're like we're going to make money no matter what. Yeah. The American people are going to lose money. Money. So we make the same amount of money. And also you, you need oil.

[Joe Rogan]

But my whole thing is even like when, you know, when we go to war, people like yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like how much fucking money do they need? They're all rich. Anyway.

[Brendan Schaub]

American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining, distribution and taxes. Biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran war. But what if we got all our oil from America which we can do. Well if we did that, why would oil go up?

[Joe Rogan]

Cuz look, prices are tied to global oil market.

[Jamie]

Just start selling it.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's stupid

[Jamie]

market.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch of crooks.

[Joe Rogan]

They.

[Brendan Schaub]

We should have a national oil company and only sell in America. Keep it in house. So no matter what right there foul we do outside the world, companies can

[Jamie]

still sell wherever they want.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Even though US is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price. High world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey Mr. President, please fix that.

[Joe Rogan]

Tax him.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know if he can do that. They'll kill him. They try to kill him three times already. You try to do you try to with that oil money. All of a sudden President J.D. is crying on TV. I'm going to miss, I'm going to miss Donald Trump. He was a great mentor to me. And though I didn't always agree with everything he said and I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus, I. What the are you doing?

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, you know what's crazy to me is there's been like three legit assassination attempts and it's in the news two, three days and we're just like, yeah, it's crazy. And we move on.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack J.D. you remember that guy? No. Yeah, see I know this guy. The problem showed up, I think it was at the White House. I think Some guy showed up at the white. You see this guy who just got killed in or got shot in Cambridge. So this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three years ago, went to jail for three years, got out and was walking down the street in Cambridge. He just unloading his gun on passerbys. Yeah. Just shooting random people on street. The street. This guy had gotten a shootout with the cops and only did three years.

[Joe Rogan]

That's insane, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

He shootout with the cops. I think 20 bullets were exchanged and he only did three years, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's the other problem is I saw they took a. Again, whoever's doing these polls, you got to be an idiot to get stopped on the street. And look at this guy. This is wild.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's just walking on the street shooting at cars, bro. By the way, I'm running that guy over. Oh,000 especially for my, my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not going to mess up my, my car.

[Joe Rogan]

That's insane.

[Brendan Schaub]

Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge though, I probably go to jail for life.

[Joe Rogan]

100%. You're. Yeah, for defending the public. But I, I saw a survey said one in four Americans think the assassination attempts on the present are fake.

[Brendan Schaub]

I wonder what percentage think the world's flat.

[Joe Rogan]

One in four.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. The people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the President would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet.

[Joe Rogan]

Sodom.

[Brendan Schaub]

So that is in the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life. That guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody that thinks that that's staged is out of their mind.

[Joe Rogan]

Or, or the guy that the correspondence dinner who rushed in. Yeah, they think that's fake. It's like, hold on. So you think this guy, who's a teacher, educated, clearly kind of had a shit together, threw away his life?

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, Tim Burchette, who I had on the podcast, Congressman.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

He thinks that guy was like some sort of an MK Ultra type deal. And he says he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing.

[Joe Rogan]

I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal. I'm sure he has way better points than me. But if they did MK Ultra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Manson, the U.S. unabomber, you think it stopped, Right. And you don't Think they've gotten better with it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

So you just think they're like, okay, the public knows we're gonna shut this down. No, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They just. They expand on it gets better and better and better.

[Brendan Schaub]

For sure. They're still doing that. And that could have been Thomas Crooks too. The guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. That one was weird as fuck. That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no, like, social media, BlackRock ties.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you heard anything about him?

[Brendan Schaub]

Nope. Gone.

[Joe Rogan]

How weird is that?

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude vanished. Like, what about the Charlie Kirk guy?

[Joe Rogan]

What about the guy who killed Charlie?

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. We haven't heard nothing. One interview with him.

[Joe Rogan]

Not weird.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's super weird. Nearly one third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least 30%, at least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were stated staged.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brendan Schaub]

Attempted assassination. A majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that were. They were not sure. 54 said they either thought it was staged or not sure.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's the problem.

[Brendan Schaub]

Only 38 of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic. This is Tick tock. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the problems. That's the problem.

[Brendan Schaub]

Rotten their brains out from inside their heads.

[Joe Rogan]

I know it's not good, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Meanwhile, you go on Chinese tickets. Tick tock. It's all like traditional dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects. Yeah. It shuts down for kids after 10:00pm yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And like, Americans have fun.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They write your brain.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're doing such a great job. And then they sold it. Right? So they sold it to that American company and they're just going to continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotten people's brains out.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't give a.

[Brendan Schaub]

Would it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem. Problem with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you. And what we're going to do is promote, like, exceptional people doing exceptional things.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you think they would get more users? Because as a dad, I'd be like, okay, you guys can have Tick tock. They. There's some rules there. It's an educational thing now. Not a chance, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, it wouldn't get more.

[Joe Rogan]

It would.

[Brendan Schaub]

Everyone go right over to Instagram, which is like, Instagram's all assassination.

[Joe Rogan]

What if they did across the the board?

[Brendan Schaub]

You would have to have no One cross that picket line. And they all would, because people are addicted to watching up street fights and crazy things now. Like, my algorithm is all, like, people fighting in parking lots. And there's so much of that, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Mine's just trucks, cars, and fights on Instagram.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. So my problem is me and Sagura every day send each other the worst thing, what we find online.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't start my day like that. I don't.

[Brendan Schaub]

And I don't either.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't either. I don't either.

[Brendan Schaub]

But it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time. Then I'll check my.

[Joe Rogan]

You've kind of gotten off of it, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. This is so much better. Feel so much better. I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like, what's trending, what's.

[Joe Rogan]

But you're not like, reading the comments and all?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no, no. And I don't even go into the news feed because I used to go into the news, but everything. I find things about me all the time. Like, I don't want to hear here what a douchebag I am. Like, come on, I'm not here for that.

[Joe Rogan]

I know it sucks, but it's so.

[Brendan Schaub]

I can't avoid people getting mad at me or even saying nice things about me. I don't want to read that.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think what's better is I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. So then I'll click on, like, what the is going on? And I'll check that out. Like, that's how I found out about this guy with the gun.

[Joe Rogan]

And you feel so much better, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Way better. But I also. Also, more often than not now, not going there for my news. And I've kind of curated my Google News feed.

[Joe Rogan]

Smart.

[Brendan Schaub]

To be much more interesting. Like, I get more stories and it'll show me stories from X. Yeah. So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X to read the story.

[Joe Rogan]

And did you stop drinking too?

[Brendan Schaub]

I did, and then I went back. I'm back.

[Joe Rogan]

How. How back are you?

[Brendan Schaub]

Not back crazy. But I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been been back, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I've been sober over two years now.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Almost three. Feel good, Feel great. Never been in better shape.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it's. I feel it's definitely better for you, but I do like a glass of wine or two with Dinner. And I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then. Yeah. But I just. I was doing it too much.

[Joe Rogan]

Me too.

[Brendan Schaub]

And then I recognized and so I stopped.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just. It wasn't benefiting me. And then also, you know, I have addictive personality. Like, if I do something, I gotta be all in, like on cars. Like, literally one day I woke up like, I don't need. Need 11 cars and half of them are trucks. And they're all the same, you know, it's just like when I get into something, I get so into it. But I'm getting. As I'm getting older, I'm getting better, checking myself.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good. That's good. Getting better at that is very important to managing your life. It's really important.

[Joe Rogan]

It's growing up well.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all, and then other ones that are really beneficial. So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you. Yeah, Facts, you know, but that's the problem is that, you know, a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're just not good at it. And so they just get caught up. And, you know, it could be anything. Oh, you know. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

To preach. That's me. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

But it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct.

[Brendan Schaub]

Which is weird. You know, like, if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to any. Anything, like not. There's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time. I probably can hang out.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct. And it's not good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Not good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because that same obsession is what led me, got me to the UFC or football.

[Brendan Schaub]

Exactly, exactly. Like being all in on something, I think is where. That's where obsession can lead. The scary one for me, I think. Not for me personally, but when I see it, is gambling super scary. Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich, that gamble big number numbers. And it freaks me out. Like big poker games and crazy amounts of money, the gamble and stuff. And I was like, I don't like that. Like.

[Joe Rogan]

But you get your rocks off in other ways. I think for those, like super rich people, like, that's kind of like they can buy any car, they can buy any house or go on a trip in order to get their rocks off. That's how they do it. Yeah, but it has to be.

[Brendan Schaub]

It has to be a Big number for them to feel it.

[Joe Rogan]

The juice has to be so high.

[Brendan Schaub]

If they bet 100 bucks on something they don't even know. That doesn't mean they might not even cash that ticket. Like they don't feel it.

[Joe Rogan]

You know how you and I are similar with Obsession? Do you. Do your kiddos have that? Do you see it any. Oh, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah. Super driven. But it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in. And if your parents have a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind, generally speaking, that's how your kids come out. Yeah, I think that you want to see shitty kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

I generally genuinely think that it's at least part of it is from the parents.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. I coach my son's baseball and football teams. The crazy parents I deal with. Buddy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

And I it for the kid. And I try to talk to the dads because most of them respect me. So I'll go, hey, can I give you some advice, man? You gotta back off, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

But they can't. They can't. It's that they can't. You have to change who they are.

[Joe Rogan]

And I tell them. I'm like, I'm. I'm trying to help you out here. You're. You're. You love baseball. Whatever. You love football. Your son has told me he wants to quit. Now the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

He used to love this game. When I first got here. Nothing he loved more than football. Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him. You up, dude. And who's it gonna affect? A. It's gonna suck for him because he likes football. You're. You're not gonna be able to watch a kid play football. Dude. Could you decide to make it not fun?

[Brendan Schaub]

You're gonna fuck up your relationship with your kid. Kid. Facts. I don't try. I don't force my kids into doing it other than they have to go to school. I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do. If they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it. But find something you are interested in.

[Joe Rogan]

That's my thing. Whatever you're into. Let's ride. I don't give a. What is. Just so happens it's baseball. Football. Cool. Let's ride, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, but you do it great personality for that and that. You're very encouraging your kids. But you're not. You're not. It's just, it's not you thinking that like your self worth is not tied up to your kids performance. You just want your kids to have fun. Yep. The problem is with some people, their kid is almost like their racehorse or something. You know what I mean? Like it's like it's. Their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

And, and now it's worse because especially on base, right? It's like it's, it's a business now. It's over a billion dollar business. So now it's like there's these travel ball. When I was a kid, you have to be really good. Well, now every parent wants to say their kids travel ball. So there's the majors and there's two teams at the majors. There's three AAA, three double A, three single A. I just want my. I don't need the best 10 year old. I just want him playing so I don't give up. He made the majors team. I don't give a. It's majors aaa, rec. We're playing wherever.

[Brendan Schaub]

Have fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Have fun and apply yourself to something and apply yourself. And I don't give a whether what level we're at. We'll play it all. And some of the parents, I'll come back from a tournament like, oh, you play double A. I'm like, yeah, it's baseball, man. You think he can only play majors? So what I can sit around the co with a water cooler and brag to you guys. I don't know, isn't it crazy that

[Brendan Schaub]

people will like talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids? Oh, it's wild. Like what do you. But you know, that's the. It's like stage moms, you know, there's a thing like that with actors to

[Joe Rogan]

your point, your identity's tied up in it. But they, what they don't realize is they're it all up. Oh yeah, it's all gonna get up.

[Brendan Schaub]

I've seen that with a lot of young actors where their parents were like super involved in their career and then the kid just did not want to do it anymore. And generally like I've seen it a few times and one of them that I know really well where the parents stole money from the kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes. He stole like $6 million. I'll tell you who it is after the show.

[Joe Rogan]

That's terrible.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, it's awful. It's awful. It's like devastated him to find out. But it's like that's what they're doing. They're using the kid as a piggy bank. They quit working. They. They relied entirely on their kid. And the kid's acting and pressure on the kid. 10.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I gotta afford all this so we can live. And I'm nine.

[Brendan Schaub]

Not only that, but then, you know, the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is my money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't have cereal. Go yourself.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the boss.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I mean, he. He had problems with it too. They all have problems with it. And then on top of that, it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10. Horrible also for pretending.

[Joe Rogan]

Horrible.

[Brendan Schaub]

Famous for pretending. That's what. How's that gonna fix your personality, dude? Yeah, well, there's a lot of parents out there, man, that just. But I don't understand. You're. You're developing a human human being, and one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed. Well.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Or the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played right and they, like. Man, they'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent, and then it's. They're the worst.

[Brendan Schaub]

Did you get into cars?

[Joe Rogan]

You?

[Brendan Schaub]

Big time. Oh, that's nice. Big time. You gotta teach them how to drive so they don't do something stupid when they get old.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I tell them all the time. All the time? Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Don't tell.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no, they're gonna learn how to drive a manual. It's the easiest way to the car. Jamie, you want to make sure your car didn't get stolen, Buy a manual. The criminals these days don't drive one.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know how to drive one?

[Jamie]

Sure.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, he's going to burn that clutch. Look at him.

[Jamie]

I haven't done it in a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

You could figure it out.

[Jamie]

Do it right now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day.

[Joe Rogan]

Perfect candidate.

[Jamie]

Just. I just don't want to.

[Joe Rogan]

It's disappointing. Yeah, no, my. My kids know their.

[Jamie]

I mean, there's other. There's so many other cars in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't have to be that way.

[Brendan Schaub]

What do you like?

[Jamie]

I don't. That's what I don't. I'm not driving anywhere.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay, okay, okay. But let's just put all that aside. What. What cars do you look at? Oh, I like that. Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a target?

[Jamie]

No, it said if it's one I like, it ends up honestly being like like an X6 somewhere in that range. X5, X6 BMW GLE. Okay, now we're talking somewhere in there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Those are, I'll tell you what, looking. Whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be dick slapped into the hospital. Like, like. What the did you do to one of the most iconic grills in the. Like the M4s? Like BL. Yeah, what did you do?

[Joe Rogan]

It's. They, they. They just trying to switch it up, you know, and they miss.

[Brendan Schaub]

But they let that go through. Who that. The only one that looks good or looks decent is the seven series. There's something about the proportions of the seven series with that big grill. It doesn't bother me.

[Joe Rogan]

That M2 is tasty too though.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay. That's dope.

[Joe Rogan]

Those things cook.

[Brendan Schaub]

They didn't get it goofy with the grills. Yeah. Come the on with that.

[Jamie]

They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but it's still got a big gap.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like that's. Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the grossest one ones, but look at that right there. The lower. I'm sorry, the. That one's good. But the left one, the white one. The white one. Yeah, that's it. Look at. That's perfect. That's perfect.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's pretty.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's perfect.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you still have the M5?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, but I do have the E46 M3.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, those are cool.

[Brendan Schaub]

The 2005, that was awesome. That one's great. That is literally a perfect car. That's a great car. Like, like that one. That one's gross. That grill, the lower right one, the bronze colored one.

[Jamie]

Black.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. My brother has that new M2 manual and that thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, M2s are amazing. Those are amazing. BMW to their credit is still making manual transmissions, which is a little better. Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think so.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think the M5 is only. Does it make a manual.

[Joe Rogan]

Manual. The M5s are so heavy now. That's their issue.

[Jamie]

Yeah, manual's not the first thing coming up.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore. See if it says manual transmission, that one's automatic. Yeah, I think they make the M4 manual. Yeah. Oh, six speed. But that's the E60 V10. That's an old one.

[Joe Rogan]

Those are dope. The V10s are cool.

[Brendan Schaub]

V10 sound amazing. They sound amazing. My E46 is not that fast. There it is. That's old. Yeah, yeah. So the last does. Those are the last ones they made in the manual. But my E46 is small. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what you want.

[Brendan Schaub]

Doesn't weigh a lot. It handles really good. It's got hydraulic steering, manual transmission. And you know, it's a dinan. So it has a supercharger on it so it's a little faster. So it's like 400 something horsepower. But monster. Dude. It's. It's just fun. It just. You feel it while you're driving it.

[Joe Rogan]

And they look awesome weird.

[Jamie]

And I was trying to track that. Said that they got two of them that were. Unless there's only two vehicles here.

[Brendan Schaub]

What does it say?

[Jamie]

Might be. It might be just not an American thing. Does that make sense?

[Brendan Schaub]

No. Those are old.

[Jamie]

No, I know. I'll show you what I saw.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, that they so put. Put in 2026 BMW M5 manual.

[Jamie]

I just saw that we got two versions of the BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the. The world missed out on. That's what I saw and was clicking on.

[Brendan Schaub]

When does that though? If you click on it.

[Jamie]

2025.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. But I think they're talking about old cars. I think they're doing a history. BMW still has this has two versions. They're talking about older cars.

[Joe Rogan]

BMW still has great interiors too.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Some manufacturers still do it right.

[Brendan Schaub]

BMW does it right. They're. They're really good. It's a solid car. And the M. The new M5, even if it isn't a manual, is screamer of a car.

[Joe Rogan]

They're monsters.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. But they have to make them hybrids now.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because of all the. All the environmental.

[Joe Rogan]

Trump got rid of the. The engines. The engine start. You know how when you stop.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He got rid of that.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's good. Yeah, that's. I don't like. Drives me nuts and I don't like that. And some cars I have to press the. Don't do that at every red light. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Hate it. Drives me fucking nuts.

[Brendan Schaub]

Stupid. You're not saving anything. All you're doing is cooking my starter.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because the starters got to start.

[Joe Rogan]

How crazy Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that.

[Jamie]

I'm so annoying parking next to one of these.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is that a Maserati?

[Joe Rogan]

Boy, those are cool in person. They're really nice.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a beautiful car. Once you get one of them. Jamie.

[Jamie]

Well,

[Joe Rogan]

what's up?

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

He's worried about the attention.

[Jamie]

I just Had a tire problem before. I didn't go that far. This model S tires just fell apart after 10,000 miles.

[Brendan Schaub]

Miles. I know that that was weird maintenance things. The way your tires fell apart was weird. That didn't make any sense because he said he had a flat tire and then he got to look at it, and it's like there's the wires around. He'd worn down the. The tread at 10,000 miles.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's the problem with electric cars because they're so heavy. So you're going through tires faster.

[Brendan Schaub]

But I didn't think it would be that fast. 10 miles.

[Joe Rogan]

Jimmy might be driving like a maniac nutty.

[Brendan Schaub]

I bet he is going, so why are you.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, you know ratchet, you got to be to wear down to the wire.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think it's the weight. Yeah, it's the weight because we looked it up and it was like 15, 000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot.

[Joe Rogan]

A little more lead foot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Lead foot, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

Just a sign to get out of the.

[Brendan Schaub]

As he gets older. We're talking leadfoot. Jamie.

[Jamie]

These are dope. Austin Martins are dope.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Now we're talking. Come on, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

You know some good. Dude.

[Jamie]

I just don't like black wing Cadillac.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay, okay. You don't like the Cadillac.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, That's a Martin. Awesome.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay. It's fine. Everybody has different taste. That's fine. As long as you like that you like something, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll go on Facebook marketplace for you. We'll get you track hawks. We'll get you Aston Martin.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's got to get something. We got to get him something fun. Let's let.

[Joe Rogan]

Let us know the budget. Dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

He seems a little hesitant.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but he does seem open to it. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, you drove race cars before around the track.

[Jamie]

That's fun. That's. I do that all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

But you could buy a car that you can drive.

[Brendan Schaub]

We're gonna have a don't want studio at the track.

[Jamie]

More fun to not drive your own race car.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's true.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Brendan Schaub]

You don't worry about it. That's a good point. So your show's on two B shows on Tubi.

[Joe Rogan]

Gearhead's gone wild. There's four episodes.

[Brendan Schaub]

And are you releasing new ones?

[Joe Rogan]

You can binge watch all four of them right now. And then if the four do well, they're gonna order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessy gun works. I got some.

[Brendan Schaub]

How long are each show?

[Joe Rogan]

I think they're like 28 minutes each. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay, cool. And it's gearheads gone wild. Yes. They're on tubi. The first time I ever go to tubi. I've never been to tubi.

[Joe Rogan]

Please do.

[Brendan Schaub]

I did. I. I only heard about it like a year ago.

[Joe Rogan]

I just found out about it three months ago.

[Brendan Schaub]

I just can't believe it has that many.

[Joe Rogan]

When they're like we got a tubi. I'm like, I like okay, let's do it. They've been awesome.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's great.

[Joe Rogan]

It's easy to watch.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, well, going to be watching it. There's that many people. But it sounds awesome, dude. And I'm glad you're doing something that you enjoy.

[Joe Rogan]

Definitely will. It's our all right, brother.

[Brendan Schaub]

You'll love it, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Thanks for doing us.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love you. Thank you, thank you. All right, goodbye, everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

See you. It.