#2514 - Cameron Hanes

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2514 – Cameron Hanes

Date: June 12, 2026
Guest: Cameron Hanes

---

Overview

This episode features Joe Rogan and frequent guest Cameron Hanes in an expansive, gritty, and passionate conversation ranging from outdoor adventures, hunting ethics, and public land advocacy to fitness, political skepticism, and current controversies in outdoor sports. The episode blends entertaining anecdotes (including bear meat taste tests and survival stories) with deep dives into policy, philosophy, and the realities of being a public figure in a hyper-polarized world.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Travel Mishaps, Lightning Strikes, and Outdoor Stories

[Timestamps: 00:32 – 09:00]

• Cam and Bryce Mitchell open with banter about travel mishaps and the rigors of training under tough conditions, including forgetting essentials like socks and underwear.
• The conversation quickly turns to freak phenomena like lightning strikes, humidity, and dangerous animal encounters (alligators, bears).
• Personal stories abound: run-ins at high elevations during storms, friends getting hit by lightning, and harrowing bear and alligator experiences.
• Quote:
  “Lightning can hit from 10 miles away. And it can go sideways.” — Cam [03:09]

2. Alligators, Bears, and Animal Adaptation

[Timestamps: 04:29 – 16:00]

• Deep-dive into Florida’s wildlife problems, particularly overpopulated alligators.
• Discussion of hunting as population control and ethical concerns, illustrated with vivid (sometimes gruesome) stories and viral videos.
• Notes on animal resilience: stories of three-legged bears and elk surviving massive injuries.
• Quote:
  “They’re just chilling, just waiting for [something] to hit the water... Alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity.” — Cam [14:34]

3. Social Media Scams and Guest Experiences

[Timestamps: 18:16 – 22:27]

• Joe shares stories about high-profile guests (Ric Flair, Tim Dillon) being targeted by email scams posing as podcast invites—warning listeners to stay vigilant.
• Cam relates almost being fooled by fake invites, appreciating authenticity in media and sports personalities like Pat McAfee.

4. Podcasting, Motivation, and Avoiding Negativity

[Timestamps: 26:35 – 35:36]

• Rogan reflects on the responsibility and privilege of hosting the world’s most popular podcast.
• Motivation: never “taking the foot off the gas,” striving for variety and impact, and capitalizing on a unique opportunity.
• Discussion of the “haters” phenomenon, the psychological waste of energy in jealousy, and the counterproductive obsession with taking others’ places.
• Quote:
  “Your energy is very critical... to waste your energy in some stupid ego-driven direction… it takes away progress.” — Joe Rogan [32:07]
• “People want to hear what [guests] say to you, because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way. Because your attitude is so pure.” — Cam [33:05]

5. Balance Between Humor and Darkness in Media

[Timestamps: 36:26 – 40:15]

• The importance of balancing serious topics with positivity (“reset back to good”).
• Joe highlights comedic freedom as a vehicle for deep or taboo discussions.
• Reflection on the psychological trap of focusing too much on the world’s darkness, citing other podcasters' different approaches.

6. Phone Use, Mental Health, and Social Media

[Timestamps: 44:00 – 46:22]

• Both speak candidly about the healthy effects of avoiding phones/social media and how easily the culture of online chaos, conspiracy, and distraction can take over.
• Joe tells of the peace he found when his phone broke during a Hawaii trip.
• Quote:
  “Social media is like… eating soup with shit in it. Sure, there’s some meat, but most of it is awful.” — Joe Rogan [46:13]

7. Bear Meat Tasting and Hunting Ethics

[Timestamps: 46:22 – 53:30]

• Cam brings various bear preparations—sausage, jerky, rendered fat—for Joe to try, emphasizing the quality and tradition of bear meat.
• Debunks myths about bear meat being inedible, tracing misconceptions to cultural icons like Yogi and Smokey the Bear.
• Touches on the need for hunting to manage wildlife populations and how public perception is shaped by media.

8. Public Land Policy, Political Maneuvers & Activism

[Timestamps: 53:44 – 62:29; 83:00 – 97:22]

• In-depth exploration of current efforts by Utah Senator Mike Lee and others to roll back protections for 45 million acres of roadless public lands—a battle listeners are urged to join.
• The discussion demystifies the legislative tricks used in resource extraction and development disguised as wildfire prevention or affordable housing.
• Quote:
  “We have an amazing system here... public land is your land. And as soon as they start giving away some of it, or selling away some of it, they’ll keep going. Not one acre.” — Joe Rogan [60:58]
• Action item for listeners:
  Call your senators at 202-224-3121 and tell them to keep the roadless rule in place.

9. Cynicism About Politics, “Bread and Circus,” and Distraction Tactics

[Timestamps: 62:29 – 69:48]

• Both lament how public attention is manipulated—by war, aliens, or sporting spectacles like the upcoming UFC at the White House—to slide through unpopular or corrupt policy decisions.
• Joe shares skepticism about the real motivations behind things like the border wall in Big Bend, TX—a project awarded without public input or bidding.

10. Discussion on Peptides, Clean Competition, and Sports Scandal

[Timestamps: 123:41 – 167:28]

• Cam addresses recent criticism for his use of BPC157 peptide in healing a foot injury, after being called out for supposedly violating elite sports doping rules by a much younger and ideologically opposed runner.
• He explains the context: never competed for money or in elite/olympic settings; most runners and hunters are regular folks, not pro athletes.
• Raises the question: should all amateur competitors be held to the standards of Olympic testing? Urges clarity and transparency, not retroactive "gotcha!" enforcement.
• Quote:
  “If the rule is to test or if I know the rules, I’m down. That’s why I’ve been so transparent about what I’ve taken and what I was trying to avoid with the surgery.” — Cam [146:08]
• Reflects on the psychology of “haters,” jealousy, and personal attacks—especially when ideology (vegan vs. hunter) mixes with sports culture.

11. Nonprofits, Corporate ‘Philanthropy,’ and Broken Systems

[Timestamps: 121:49 – 123:07]

• Joe plays a clip about how nonprofit hospitals (supposed to be charitable) make huge profits and often do little to no actual charity work, with high executive pay and rampant lobbying.
• Conversation highlights broad skepticism about modern institutions—whether government, health care, or "philanthropy."
  Memorable moment:
  “Nonprofit hospitals: hedge funds with hospital beds.” — P. Davis Jones (clip played by Joe) [121:55]

12. Conclusion: Action Steps and Reflections

[Timestamps: 176:00 – end]

• Cam re-emphasizes the need for public pressure to protect roadless public lands:
  202-224-3121
• Affirms the value of public land for all people, regardless of wealth or politics.
• Personal thanks and encouragement exchanged between Joe and Cam.

---

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Your energy is very critical. To waste your energy in some stupid ego driven direction… it takes away progress.” — Joe Rogan [32:07]
• “Social media is like eating soup with shit in it. Sure, there’s some meat, but most of it is awful.” — Joe Rogan [46:13]
• “If the rule is to test or if I know the rules, I’m down, dude, I’m all for it. That’s why I’ve been so transparent about what I’ve taken and what I was trying to avoid...” — Cam [146:08]
• “Not one acre. Once you lose something, you don’t get it back ever.” — Cam [61:43]
• “Nonprofit hospitals were like hedge funds with hospital beds.” — P. Davis Jones (clip) [121:55]
• “We have an amazing system here... public land is your land... we got to keep it that way.” — Joe Rogan [60:58]

---

Key Timestamps for Important Topics

• Alligator/Bear stories & animal adaptation: 00:32–16:00
• Public land politics & activism: 53:44–62:29, 83:00–97:22
• Peptide/scandal in marathon running: 123:41–167:28
• Nonprofit hospital critique: 121:49–123:07
• Joe’s philosophy on sustaining success: 26:43–35:36
• Bear meat prep and food discussion: 46:22–53:30

---

Tone and Language

• The conversation is candid, sometimes raw—mixing serious policy critique and nuanced ethical discussion with trademark Joe Rogan-style humor, explicit language, and camaraderie.
• Cam is earnest, methodical, and open—particularly in addressing personal controversy and the realities of being an outspoken public outdoorsman in a divisive era.

---

Action Items for Listeners

• Protect roadless public lands: Call your senators at 202-224-3121 and request they oppose changing the roadless rule.
• Be skeptical of scam emails claiming celebrity podcast invitations.
• Support honest dialogue and celebrate genuine achievement over negativity and jealousy.
• Get informed about what’s happening to public land and fight against stealthy legislative rollbacks.

---

This episode is rich with real-life stories and grounded, practical philosophy. It will resonate with anyone interested in outdoor adventure, physical fitness, honest work, and the ongoing fight to preserve wild spaces and authentic values in a changing and often distracting world.

Transcript

[Cam]

Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Train my day.

[Cam]

Joe Rogan Podcast. By night, all day.

[Bryce Mitchell]

We can use headphones or. No, we don't need them.

[Cam]

Okay, whatever.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You have to wear your sweet hat. I don't want to it up.

[Cam]

There you go.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Just got it. Look, we got an American flag. We got a skull. We got camo. What the else do you want? Are you American or not? Oh, nice, dude. You're all in for 250. The 250th anniversary.

[Cam]

It's also the only socks I brought on this trip. Somehow, so I wear them every day now.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You only brought one pair or one style?

[Cam]

No. One pair of socks and no underwear.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, God. I've done that before. We have to wash your socks in the sink. With shampoo. With hotel shampoo.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then wear them when they're wet.

[Cam]

And it's like, I went on a run here. It is. Muggy.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah, baby.

[Cam]

Sweating my ass off.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's the fear of this weekend at the ufc, because it's east coast, it gets very muggy.

[Cam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And D.C. so these guys are all working out outside right now. I saw a video of Amon Zahabi working out outside, and Ilia Toporia is working out outside. And, you know, you have to feel that. That heavy, heavy air.

[Cam]

It changes things.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah, man. I remember when I was a kid, I went to the Olympic Training center in Colorado Springs.

[Cam]

I see those thunderstorms, dude.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah. We're fucked. Fuck, dude. There is a canopy that's over the cage. They put a canopy over the cage.

[Cam]

Well, if lightning hits that. That's not good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, if it hits the canopy, I think we're okay. I mean, I think I'm more worried about terrorist attack than I am lightning.

[Cam]

Oh, that's true.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But I probably should be more worried about lightning. I actually have friends that have been hit by lightning. We do. Remy. Remy got hit by lightning.

[Cam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So I know. I don't know anybody's been hit by a terrorist attack. Almost got hit the other day, I think, by lightning. Yeah, we had crazy storms here, you know? You playing golf? No, but I was outside. Thank you. I thought the storm was over, and I was out on my balcony and I was like, wow, this is cool. Oh, that's not a good spot to be one hit. I'm 500ft in the sky. I'm already up there. And then it hit, and I started hearing sizzling near me.

[Cam]

I'm like, holy.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I gotta get inside. Like, electricity.

[Cam]

I was like, what the.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Is that. Where is. Oh, my God. That's so scary. That's such a up way to go. Do you ever see that one video where the guy is walking down the street and he gets hit by lightning? He wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further, he's recovering, and he gets hit again. Dude got hit by lightning twice in, like, I don't know if it's time lapse or what. I don't know how long he was out for because it's like one of those ring cams that catches him. This guy got cooked twice, you know,

[Cam]

you're having a bad day.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I forget what Remy said happened to him after he got hit, but I remember his hearing was up for a long time or something. Something like that.

[Cam]

Yeah, we. I was. We do the mountains back home, like, run them, and there's. We were up on Diamond Peak, me and Tanner, last year, and a storm, you know, kind of like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever. Wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling. Then you're like, does that come in this way? And it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think. I think lightning can hit from 10 miles away.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Really?

[Cam]

Yes. It can go that. It can go sideways. So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right? Well, me and Tanner were up there, and we're still wanting to get the summit and then bomb off. Well, we're up there, and he goes. He goes, dad. He goes, watch. And he had. We had trekking poles, and he had them like this, and they were. They were, like, ticking, like, from electricity. Electricity was in his trekking poles. Then we. I said, let's get the fuck off this thing. And so we bombed off. And there's these kids down that were like. They said, should we go up? And I said I'd wait a little bit. And the girl's hair was standing up.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's so crazy.

[Cam]

Yeah, it is nuts.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Look at that.

[Cam]

Yeah. So they.

[Bryce Mitchell]

This guy died in Florida last year in what they call blue sky lightning. What? Yeah, it can. It jumped from several miles away, just standing on the beach. There was a blue sky above.

[Cam]

Storm is near. And I think it can go. I know. I looked it up after that because I was like, well, I need to know. I'm in the mountains all the time.

[Bryce Mitchell]

His death nonetheless serves a grim reminder. Florida led the US in both Lightning fatalities, 12 and strikes per square mile 76. Holy. By the way, did you see that guy in Florida that he was running from the cops and he got killed by an alligator?

[Cam]

No.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You see that one? Dude, it's body cam footage. The cops got the gun out and he's, he's like, stop, stop, stop. The guy's running, he's going in the water. And all of a sudden, boom.

[Cam]

Like, right, I'd rather get shot.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I'd rather get shot. Rather get shot. But killed by a dinosaur.

[Cam]

Oh, my God.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Shot you get. The bullet's gonna hurt. Like you're gonna be in shock. You're gonna realize you're bleeding out. You're gonna have to say, I wish I was a better person. I'm gonna miss my family. But that alligator is gonna take a while to kill you. It's gonna roll with you. It's gonna drag you under the water. You're gonna realize you can't get free. You're gonna try to poke its eyes. It's not gonna work. No.

[Cam]

It's gonna be a miserable existence till it's over.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Do you see that one video of a dude, he got attacked by an alligator, lost his arm. So it bit his arm off and he made his way back home. So he, they're, they're like talking to him, like right when he got out of the swamp. And he's got one arm and he, he looked like. There's not a chance in hell he was sober during any of this experience. He looked like he had been methed up since the 12th grade.

[Cam]

Oh, my God.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, this dude. Yeah, this is. The dude just lost his stump.

[Cam]

Yeah, that's where I.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He wandered for three days with one arm.

[Cam]

Oh, my God.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But first of all, how do you not bleed out?

[Cam]

I know that's what I was going to say. Did you keep pressure on that?

[Bryce Mitchell]

So my arm went back, was like this completely. What he saying? What was he saying? On my right hand side?

[Cam]

So I went to swim and she got. She got my forearm.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So I grabbed her like this and

[Cam]

like she's trying to roll, but she snapped her head, so.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So my arm went backwards like this completely. He says he fought for his life. She drugged me under three times. I like how the narrator comes in. So important. He says he fought for his life. I could imagine them in an editing bay. Should I do that again? Is that good?

[Cam]

No, I know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He says he fought for his life.

[Cam]

Yeah, we got that part with the no arm. We. I wouldn't assume that he wandered through

[Bryce Mitchell]

alligator and snake infested swamp Days.

[Cam]

Thanks for telling us what we need to be believing here.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You know, when I went alligator hunting out there a few years ago, you know that alligator that we shot that's in the front? Bro, they're everywhere.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

If you ever want to come, it's really fun. I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting. Yeah, but they need to be killed. They're. They're vastly overpopulated.

[Cam]

But you can't do a bow.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You can, but it's.

[Cam]

Yeah, well, that's like everything.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's pretty sketchy. But this, this, you know, that's a grizzly. Killed alligators with a bow in Florida. Yeah, you just got to catch them in the right spot. You got to basically hit him like right behind the head.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I think you'd probably hit him with a fixed blade, right?

[Cam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bryce Mitchell]

There's will or something.

[Cam]

There's a. You got to brain them.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So there's like that bump back there. Then it's like halfway in between the eye and the bump. Something like that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So you want to be like 20 yards. Yeah, you gotta be close. Exit right in there.

[Cam]

For sure. The good thing about that, if you up and just kind of ricochet, it's going to be fine. You know what I mean? It's like, literally, it's not making. If you go for the lungs and miss, hit it in the stomach, that's not good. It's going to be pretty sick and miserable death.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But it probably still live. Those things are such monsters. They're such monsters.

[Cam]

I was saying, you know, we've killed bear up. Kip. Killed a bear up at the rivets with three legs. I'm just like, how One of them

[Bryce Mitchell]

will eat the other one's leg. They'll bite their legs off.

[Cam]

But, like, how do you, you know,

[Bryce Mitchell]

how do you survive?

[Cam]

Yeah, we have to get antibiotics for like a hangnail.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I think our whole biome is probably all fucked up from washing it all the time.

[Cam]

Yeah, probably.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I mean, it completely makes sense. Right? So.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections like we do, unless they're farm animals.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Or, like, occasionally. It happens all the time in the rut. Right. Like when you're dressing an animal, you find all these holes in the side of it. They're like pussy. I remember one time, one of the elk that we shot at, Tahone, had his back leg was just filled with pus. Like the whole bat, it was all pus because he had gotten stabbed.

[Cam]

It's usually in that back because usually they turn because they know they're getting their ass kicked. And so it's in their hind quarter, the dominant bull gets a jab in before they go.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And you've seen those to hone bulls, those 1100 pound fuckers. Imagine one of those stabbing you in the head, no?

[Cam]

And also if you see antlers there that are broke because they're so heavy, like there's that bone is so thick for their antlers. If a bulls break, imagine the force required to break that and imagine that

[Bryce Mitchell]

going right up your ass. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Paramount plus UFC history is going down at the White House. It's the world's greatest fights on America's biggest stage. Watch UFC Freedom250 at the White House live on June 14th on Paramount plus this episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter when you hire a landscaper to create your perfect outdoor oasis, you want someone who cares. That's true for every role you hire for, and luckily it just got easier to find that thanks to ZipRecruiter. Try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com Rogan Longtime listeners, you might already know that ZipRecruiter uses powerful matching technology to find qualified candidates for fast, but now they also have a new feature that shows you candidates who are interested in your role first. You can even hear why, in their own words. Find candidates who really want your job on Zip Recruiter. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. Try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com rogan that ZipRecruiter.com roGAN Meet your match at ZipRecruiter. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tremphya offers self injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tremphya is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self inject Tremphya, proper training is required. Tremphya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. Serious allergic reactions, increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them and liver problems may occur. Before treatment. Get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu like symptoms or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about tremphya today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit

[Cam]

tremphyradio.com God, for my camera guy, that'd be a dream. But for most of us now, they

[Bryce Mitchell]

find them, you know, with these holes in them. Like when. When you shoot them and you find out like what they've been through. Like, no wonder why they barely moved when they got hit with an arrow. Yeah, they probably didn't even know. Like when two bulls are fighting and then one of them gets hit with an arrow, they barely react.

[Cam]

No, that'd be like what that. What was that? Fly landed on me?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Crazy. They're just so just locked into war.

[Cam]

Especially if you like get in between the ribs and don't hit anything.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right. Just slices right through.

[Cam]

Just like that bull would be like, ow. Wait, what?

[Bryce Mitchell]

What was that? Nothing.

[Cam]

And all of a sudden, Woo. I'm feeling woozy.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

Then it's over.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Did you find that video? See if you can find the video of the guy with the body cam footage getting killed by the alligator.

[Cam]

Very good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, it's hard to see it. You can see a little bit though. I just think it's exciting.

[Cam]

It's just you love watching chaos online.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't know why, but I do. Give me some. Put the headphones on there, See what I like the music. Okay, so here it is. The cops got his gun out. Oh, this isn't a very good. Yeah, see, the cops got his gun out and he's like trying to think of what to do. And this dude's getting jacked.

[Cam]

Oh, there goes the alligator too.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

Oh, did you see that line of

[Bryce Mitchell]

the alligator Up a little bit so you can see it. So the dude's trying to swim away and look at the alligator. Boom. That's a rap, son.

[Cam]

Did he put his hands up here?

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't think so. I think he just so like right there. Back it up a little bit more. So you see the guy swimming away. One maybe. What's that? It's a different version being Good Samaritan. Another the same lady narrating. That's when a gator. That's when a gator slammed right towards him.

[Cam]

And that's not good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Of his arms. I mean, it was a full on attack. It was a full on attack. Like as if what? Halfway attack. It's a dinosaur. There was another story in Florida a few years back where a guy was running from the cops. I think it was a high speed chase. Gets to A bridge stops the car, throws it in. Park jumps off the bridge. Boom. Alligator gets him. Literally, like, landed right on a fucking alligator. But that's the reality of the water. All the fresh water in Florida is filled with alligators. They have to check Disneyland all the time. Or Disney World. They have to check it all the time. Remember a little kid got killed there a few years ago? Maybe you take your kid to fucking Disney World and it gets killed by a dinosaur.

[Cam]

Rough. Well, and also, it's like, you know how. I don't know, you have dogs, but are they ever around when you're eating and, like, something falls on the ground? They're always checking the ground. Well, that's what alligators do in the water. They're just sitting there, just chilling out. They hear a little splash or like. Oh, like a dog. Was that a. A crumb hitting the. The floor? The dinner table.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, exactly.

[Cam]

So this over there. And they'll just eat whatever hit the water.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Especially if something seems like it's struggling.

[Cam]

Yeah. Oh, I got you.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Opportunists.

[Cam]

Yeah, they're so. They're just chilling, just waiting for. To hit the water, which is. That's what fishing is, too, you know, you see that the flies hatching. You try to match it, try to put it on there. And like, they're like, okay, got one to hit the water. But, yeah, alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity. And every once in a while, some comes off a bridge and, hey, big meal.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Really shocking how many of them there are in the Everglades. Like, you know, I went. I guess it was three years ago. And when we were there, it's like everywhere you look, you have to look for an alligator.

[Cam]

It's.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's like nothing I've ever seen. Like, I. I thought it'd be hard to find them. I thought, like, we'd go out there. You know, you look around you, probably glass a little. See eyeballs pop up. No, they're all over the water.

[Cam]

Like, how many would you see?

[Bryce Mitchell]

We saw 15, 20.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Maybe more.

[Cam]

Just chilling.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Maybe 30. You see, like, some movement on the water, and then they dunk under, and you're in the swamp, man. It's sketchy as the whole. The whole.

[Cam]

Never done it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's very weird. It's very weird because you're like, this is a mess.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, there's the feeling that you get there, like, oh, this is infested. Like, you. You're infested by dinosaurs. And then meanwhile, you go, an hour and a half later, you're in Miami having a steak, drinking a nice Pinot Noir. You know, you think you're in civilization.

[Cam]

You're.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're fucking a half a day's drive from monsters. An infested jungle filled with monsters.

[Cam]

And imagine if you weren't in a boat. Like, what if. What if you were to somehow. Something happened to the boat.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, you fucked. Yeah.

[Cam]

What would you do if, like, the boat sank out there?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, we were in a boat, okay? We. We drove out. We were with guides and we drove out in trucks. And they know, like, where the lake areas are where the. You know, it's very dense out there. It's very thick. So just hot and muggy and. And these fuckers just. You see them pop up. You see the eyeballs pop up. You see some motion, but you see them everywhere.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then you look around at how big the Everglades is, and you go, how many of them are out here?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Because it's not like we found the honey spot.

[Cam]

Right?

[Bryce Mitchell]

You know what I mean? It's like the whole Everglades and there. When I was a kid, you know, I lived down there in Florida When I was 11 years old, from 11 to 13, I lived in Gainesville. And there's alligators back then, but they were endangered, and so you weren't allowed to kill them. And so they would kill people's dogs. And I remember this lady in my neighborhood, her dog got jacked. She was walking her dog by Lake Alice, and it just snatched her dog and took it away.

[Cam]

Geez.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Is like the late 70s. And we were feeding them marshmallows. So you go to the dock and you throw marshmallows, and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows. And it was, you know, it was weird.

[Cam]

It was like.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's kind of cool that they're there. Freaks you out a little bit. But they weren't dangerous.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Cut to all these years later now, because no one hunted them because they basically were making shoes out of them back in the day. And they almost. Almost hunted them to extinction. And they should probably start that again. Yeah, we need to bring alligators. Like, back in, like, the 70s. Like, that was the cool shoes. Like, in the pool halls where I used to play pool. Like, the old guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up. He had his gators on. He looked good. He had a nice suit. He had his gators on. His gators.

[Cam]

Like, I got gator boots.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Alligator shoes.

[Cam]

Lucasi yeah, yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Gator boots seem to be a Different thing because it kind of almost makes sense because, like. Like, you get boots that are made out of, like, snakeskin and ostrich, and, like, that's kind of a cowboy boot thing. But, yeah, Alligator dress shoes. Yeah, you got your gators all right.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Very hard to get. Polish it. Nice.

[Cam]

That's Ric Flair.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah.

[Cam]

Remember Ric Flair?

[Bryce Mitchell]

I love that, bro. I gotta apologize to Ric Flair. He got scammed. So some. Some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast and they were going to. That he was going to come on the podcast. I think Tim Dillon, this happened with him, too. It didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're going to have you come on a podcast, but they need your bank information.

[Cam]

Yeah, they'll pay you. Sometimes it's like 3,000 bucks because I've got those, too.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And what it really is, is they're just going to empty your bank account. And it's just a scam. So if you get an email like that from me, it's not real. Sorry. Ric Flair. So Ric Flair, I don't know if he lost his money, but Tim Dillon, they tried to get him on Amy Poehler Show. So it's. That's the scam. The scam was they reached out to t. Talked about it on his podcast. They reached the. This scammer reached out, said, I'm representing the Amy Poehler Show. We would love to have you on. And he was like, that doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Poehler. I don't think I'm a good guest. It was like. He was like, I don't think this is real.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Then it says, you know, we need your bank account information. And so many people just like, don't think about it, or they're boomers or.

[Cam]

Well, it. They make it seem legit. Because I know Pat McAfee. I got an email from them about coming on the show, and I'd been kind of communicating with some of those guys before. And so I'm like, maybe. I mean, for me, it's like a big deal. Like ESPN and Pat McAfee, he's like, to me, he reminds me of you. He just kind of does what. Says whatever he wants, does. He's free. If the bosses say whatever, he's like, fuck off. I just love that. Unfiltered, like, true thoughts.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And he's a guy that's got fuck you money that says fuck you. That's what I love.

[Cam]

It's just, it's beautiful. So I mean, I celebrate that's, that's a, you know, first amendment in his glory right there.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And he seems like a genuine good.

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know him, but it's.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't know him either. But when you hear a guy talk enough.

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah. You can assume or you can like put the pieces puzzle together but. And they've wore my stuff on there. So I'm like, oh, maybe this is real, right?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, no.

[Cam]

So the guy I asked, he's just a ao he's just a great guy. But he, he said, no, it's not. Not legit. But they had me because it was like, it almost seemed real.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Fight night is here. Title shots, debut killers and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet. And only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. The DraftKings in all 50 states and includes all markets, bringing the game straight to your fingertips. Wherever you are, no matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game. With one app, new DraftKing customers sign up with the code ROGAN. Spend five bucks to get 200 in rewards within 21 days. That's code ROGAN in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Bed with DK sportsbook gambling problem.

[Cam]

Call 1-800- gambler 1-800- myreset, New York

[Bryce Mitchell]

Call 877-8- hope and why or text hope and why Connecticut. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org on behalf of Boothill Casino in Kansas. That text pass through. May apply in Illinois, 21 and over. Void in Ontario. Event contract trading with DraftKings. Predictions involves risk of loss. Sportsbook bonus bets expire in seven days.

[Cam]

$50 in predictions.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Dollars issued weekly for three weeks. Expire in one year.

[Cam]

Redeem one non withdrawable reward. Availability varies.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Predictions offer void in New York ends June 28th terms. Yeah, somebody asked me like, hey, you know, they said, well, they said, can you do anything about it? Unfortunately, I can't. Like, there's nothing you could do other than tell people it's a scam. I don't want to tell you how I get guests. I don't want to, like, give up the process. But I have a guy and I have this guy reach out to people and, you know, I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's how they do it.

[Cam]

But if you get an email here.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. If you get an Email asking for your bank account information. It's not me.

[Cam]

No.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And it's probably not Anna Ferris or Amy Poehler or Tim Dillon or any of those other people. It's all. No, just scumbags out there. Unfortunately.

[Cam]

If you say you have some elk meat, you'll share. That might be real.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Nope. Oh, I share with friends and family. That's it. Giving it out to weirdos. But you're bringing some bear meat.

[Cam]

I know. And, dude, you're. I said you're in trouble.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I know.

[Cam]

We got.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You got a lot of notes.

[Cam]

We got notes. I got. I got shit we're going to discuss today.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They're like, I had a scientist on yesterday. He had less notes.

[Cam]

Less. I know. I'm ready. Well, we had some.

[Bryce Mitchell]

First of all, before we go any further, what's going on with your tooth? Why you got a gold tooth? I love it.

[Cam]

Yeah, it's. Well, it was. It's kind of a joke, but I've been, like, for years, obsessed with, like, perfect teeth, right?

[Bryce Mitchell]

And that's like Adam Green. She's always busting your balls.

[Cam]

And, you know, I did, like, the. The white strips and all this other shit. And, like, I always cared about what. Just probably cared too much. So now I don't care what I look like. But what changed? I don't know. I've just, like, been playing the game too long now. It's just, like, I'm just done, and the game's not over. Unfortunately, even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore, game still goes on. So it's like I'm still part of it. But anyway, I was getting this. Okay, long story short, I had. I broke this in high school. So I had a fake tooth since high school. And, yeah, this is, like, long story. Kissing this girl basketball hit me back in the head. Broke the tooth. Anyway.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Broke the teeth on her teeth?

[Cam]

Yeah, so she had pieces of teeth in her lip.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Cam]

Oh, yeah, yeah, it was. Jack Devereaux did that. But anyway, we. So I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it. Finally found one that looked good. Well, I go in there. I hadn't been in the dentist in forever because I just hate going. And they said, oh, you got a cavity under that composite is what it was called. And I'm like, okay, cool. So we got to take it off, fix the cavity. Then you get a whole nother one. And I'm like, whatever. So I go back in there. Next neck appointment, they take it off. No cavity but now we just have this like whittled down regular tooth. Just like a. Like a post of a tooth.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So because they removed the cavity because they.

[Cam]

Or there was no cavity.

[Bryce Mitchell]

There was no cavity. Jesus Christ.

[Cam]

Thought on the X ray there was. So they had the. Anyway that cap or the composite's gone. So they said, well, you need to go and match the color of your teeth for your new fake tooth. And spring and in Springfield, swing by this Springfield whatever they do there for. For dentistry. So I go in there and they said, the girl there goes, hey, my husband Nate makes some really cool gold teeth. He does a really good job. Do you want a gold one? And I was like, wait. And so she's like, we'll do a white one too. But a gold one might just be fun. And then I'm like, yeah, it'd be fun. So I told Trace, I'm just going to do it. Just a day or two. So this has been months now.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're going to keep it?

[Cam]

I don't know. I kind of like it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I kind of like it too.

[Cam]

I kind of like it. It's like everybody. Fuck it, you know, Everybody's got regular teeth. Nobody's got gold teeth.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Not anymore. It was a thing back in the day. Remember Mike Tyson had a gold tooth for a while.

[Cam]

This is like my savings account. Because I figure that I'm going to lose everything because I'm such a fuck up. But I'll still have this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I can still that sucker out. You can buy a cheeseburger. Yeah.

[Cam]

If I get in a bind, right? It's like, hey, well, I got this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I have one crown. I have one fake tooth back here. I cracked one of my molars. I had a root canal. And then it like. So then they had to put like a crown on it. And then it cracked.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And so now I got to get another one. I got a little piece of it missing. I think I might get a gold one.

[Cam]

Nice going.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right here.

[Cam]

Do it. Do.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Now you're inspired. Me, it's also. It's in the back, so you won't see it all the time until I. Yeah, until I give you a big cheese.

[Cam]

Yeah. Well, I'm going to get it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I'm copying you.

[Cam]

When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So that one being. People see it. That'll be fun.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Fortunately, I laugh a lot.

[Cam]

I know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I live a happy life.

[Cam]

Yeah, you do. You're. You're crushing it lately.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, just keep your foot on the

[Cam]

same old stuff, right? I Can't believe I look at your guest and it's just like, nonstop, dude. It's like.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's.

[Cam]

People see, like, all your success, you think most people would be like, okay, I'm good. I'll foot off the gas. You don't know. You keep. I mean, you work your ass off.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do. And very few human beings get this opportunity. And I feel insanely fortunate and also very responsible. Like, I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know people are addicted to it. They love it. They want the variety. They want scientists. They want guys like you. They want athletes and fighters. They want all this. They want to hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives and so huge obligation, you know? And I feel, like, connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to them all the time. I don't know, say. But I feel it. I know it, and I'm dedicated, so I just keep my foot on the gas. I never. I never say, oh, I can't believe I have to do this. Oh, I can't believe I have to show up. I just. Yeah, I always try to reset every day. Go. God, I'm so lucky. It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty, to not capitalize on it, to not, like, make the most out of it, because I know that it's, like, very few human beings in the world. Well, I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always gone, like, back and forth. I've had it for, like, six years now.

[Cam]

Yeah, six or seven.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Might be seven years now. And it's like, I'm not. I'm not keeping my foot off the gas. I'm gonna do exactly what I'm doing. I'm gonna do it my best. I'm gonna keep doing it until the wheels fall off.

[Cam]

That's like, people have said, like, with bow hunting and stuff, like, if you. You know, you work your ass off to get this place where you're respected, right? And then there's gonna be people that want your position and, like, with your attitude. My attitude, too, is like, fucking, come get it. Yeah, come try to take it. Because I remember I'm working my ass off still.

[Bryce Mitchell]

We were hanging out somewhere, and you said one of the coldest things to this dude. This dude was. We were all just fucking around. I really even forget who it Was. Cause it didn't matter. And he said, yeah. And after that, I'm going to challenge you to a race. And you go, good luck with that. It was so cold. You go, yeah. Like you, you didn't even remotely take it seriously. It was like a five year old saying, they're gonna kick my ass.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, okay, good luck with that.

[Cam]

Yeah, I mean you get, you get confident when it's something you do.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like further down the line than anybody.

[Cam]

Yeah. And so if you're going to take my spot.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

I mean, it's been a grind, dude, 40 years.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. The whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey. And you could look at it in terms of, I'm going to take that guy's spot. And maybe that's your motivation and that's cool and all that, but there's a negative attached to that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are you. You're wasting energy. I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true. Like you're that energy. Instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme limits and just. And excelling at whatever dis. Whether it's playing guitar or doing standup comedy. You should look at those people. Like, wow, what are they doing that I can do to make myself more successful or better or what? Where. Where can I get to a point. How can I get to a point where I'm like them? But most people don't do that. Most people like, fuck that guy. That guy fucking sucks. This sucks. And fucking. He's a pussy and he's a dis. And he's using steroids and he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs. And it's. There's always going to be people like that. And I'm telling my message to the haters. I. I was a hater when I was a kid. I was 100. A hater. 100. Like all the other people. Like when I was fighting everybody else was a. They were all, yeah, unless they were worn in my weight division. If they went in my weight division, then I could celebrate it. But everybody in my weight division was a. That guy's. I'm gonna. That guy up. He's got nothing. I could never celebrate people, even like national champions people, I couldn't celebrate them.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's A waste. It's a waste of energy.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them. You know, fuck that guy. Fuck this and fuck that. It's a waste of energy. You have to be selfish with your energy. Your energy is very critical. It's everything in life, everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego driven direction just because you're too weak to recognize, like, oh, this guy can kick my ass. Oh, this guy could shoot a bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can run. Oh, this guy's way better at playing guitar than me. What the can I do to get where he's at? Yeah, you gotta just. That's a, it's a trap. Because not only does it take away energy, it takes away progress. It takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's bad all around.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

There's no good to it at all.

[Cam]

No, I, I agree with that. And it's like that, that energy is a resource that we have to protect. I think that when you talk about, like, you talk about all the outliers that you, you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you, and I think your attitude and how you look at things, like in that lens that makes people want to come on, like you said, you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say. People want to hear what they have to say to you. Because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way. Because your attitude is so pure. I think, like, even if you didn't believe what you said, it would still if, if you just said, like, I want to be positive, but your questions were all negative, like in tone or like confrontational in tone, people wouldn't want to be on here. Like, they want to be on here. Now you being positive and looking at things like, how can I get better? How can I grow? How can we all learn and get better from this? That's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world, which means people are attracted to you. People are attracted to the guests you have. People are attracted to the show. And so, yeah, that energy, even if we don't admit it, we are attracted to it. You know what I mean? You seek it out and I know When I'm. I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope. I don't want to hear about how up everything is all the time.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

I want hope. How can I have hope? Because hope gives me purpose. I'm like, okay, I can do this. I can. I got get to work, and this will. This will pay off.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So I. I think it's, like, it's more complicated than we. Than we think, but there's a reason why you're number one and have been number one, and it's your attitude and it's how you speak to people.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Also, I got in really early. Right. So I got in at, like, 2009, and there was hardly anybody doing it back then.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So you could. You could also. I wasn't as famous back then, so you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed. You were doing it. Right. So you could get good at it,

[Cam]

so you could hone your craft.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right. You didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through. You didn't have to. You just did it.

[Cam]

If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No, I wouldn't be.

[Cam]

You know what I mean?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Because there's so many pot. There's. I mean, how many podcasts are there now?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, what's the number?

[Cam]

10 mil. 5 million.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Checked it was like 7 or 8 million. It probably keeps growing every week, so. Because everybody thinks they can do it. Because everybody can talk.

[Cam]

Well, and. And the people starting now, they might be you down the road.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Cam]

There might be some, you know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, they'll be them.

[Cam]

Incredible conversationalists that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They'll be them. They'll be a different thing than me, but they'll be amazing at it.

[Cam]

But you had. Because you had this insight, or, you know, you saw Tom Green or whoever it was that, like, oh, maybe I could do that. You started this process of. This decades of honing your craft to where it is now, and now you've been on top for six, seven years. Right. And it's just because of all those reps that you did. It's no different than anything we always talk about.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's everything.

[Cam]

Everything is reps. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And it's just like, you want to

[Cam]

get good at something, fail, keep doing it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Archery is reps, pools, reps. Martial arts are reps. It's all reps. It's all experience, and it's all, like, being, like, super focused on what you're trying to do, whatever it is.

[Cam]

Yeah. I think Like, I even think of. You know, I love Sean Ryan, and he's has an incredible podcast, but I. I get. I get why this is happening. He's pretty down kind of on a lot right now, just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all that, which is by design almost. They want us to be hopeless. And I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but they do want us hopeless because we can be controlled. But Sean, his podcast lately has taken more. I don't want to say dark because it's more real, but it's like it's darker. So I just think that attracts less people in a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things, and you are sometimes, but that's not the theme of you.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, I think these. It's like this episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business, you need a great domain. And Squarespace makes it easy to lock in a domain. You just search the name you want, buy it, and then you're ready to build. No hidden fees, no weird upsells. Go to squarespace.com rogan for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the code ROGAN to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. First of all, people that aren't comedians, they're very. They're limited in. In what they can talk about, in the way they can talk about things. You know, being a comedian is. There's a little bit of a safety, little freedom. You could always like, yeah, what the fuck? I'm a comedian. We're fucking around. You get a little.

[Cam]

Get. Get a little. You can write it off a little bit.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's also, there's. That's real in terms of, like, another layer of conversation. Like, there's a layer of conversation that is commonly known as talking. And talking is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny and you make each other laugh. You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night. You know, why is your mouth so sore? You know, like, you around, you say things. You. You're silly. You know, you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all this math. You know, you don't. You're not really doing meth, right? There's. You're not really having gay sex. You're around.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And when you can't around, there's a whole realm of the conversation that's Missing.

[Cam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And there's a whole like. Like, get out of jail pass. Like, let's have fun. Let's loosen up a little here.

[Cam]

And then.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You can't loosen up. You're serious.

[Cam]

Right. And then where does the conversation go? Back to the serious part, which changes it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's also. The serious stuff is what gets Eng.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world, and it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world, you certainly shouldn't. But if you only focus on the bad of the world, it's kind of a trap. Yeah, it'll fuck your head up, too. You're swimming in negativity all the time.

[Cam]

That's what I see. Sean. That's a feeling I've got with Sean lately. Whereas with the differences with you, there's a reset. There's always this reset. Back to good. The message is good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, I think.

[Cam]

And I don't think you're. I don't. I. I don't think you. That's not by design. That's just who you are.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, no, it's not by design. It's just. That's how I think. It's like. You can only dwell on negativity so much. Most of your day is not negative, in fact.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's. There's things that you need to be aware of, and you need to be prepared for them.

[Cam]

And the problem is, is. No, it's not. But our voices are oftentimes negative. So it's easy if, like, if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative. It's a lot of negative, dude.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So it's like knowing that, you know, I can go down a negative rabbit hole pretty easy. I try to avoid waiting in that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, sometimes it's like you just get fed up. You're like, where the. Are these Epstein files? Yeah, who the. Is this. Why is this redacted? Where is it? Who the killed jfk?

[Cam]

Right?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, come out with it. What the fuck. Who fucking killed Charlie Kirk? For real?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, what is that? Why is that fucking story so clouded in mystery? And why do they pave over the fucking ground right after the shooting? What the fuck is going on there?

[Cam]

See, now you're making me in a bad mood.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's. But that. It's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy locked up in there.

[Cam]

Do you see my notes? Look at my two on the very Top.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What does it say? Stay positive. Be nice. And what does that other one say? You have terrible handwriting.

[Cam]

Be positive.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, be nice. Be positive. But your handwriting is terrible.

[Cam]

It is.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You should be a doctor.

[Cam]

But no, I have to remind myself, like, because I. If you start mentioning those things that you just did.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, it's hard, dude.

[Cam]

I will fucking lose my shit because I'm so pissed.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I know. You should be. And we're all pissed. We're all, you know, we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was going to be released right after the election. We're going to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles and.

[Cam]

Well, the first term was more like that. That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term, there was some draining the swamp going on, I felt. Then we had the Biden disaster, and now the second term has been. I don't even know what this is. I don't even know what it is.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, it would have been a whole lot different for, first of all, if we didn't bomb Iran. I feel like we bombed him. The first time, we were good. The second time was like. Even the first time, I was like, what the fuck are we doing?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then when they were saying, like, this is it. The escalation's over. We're going to work this out. Like, oh, yeah. And the second time, when we bombed them, I was like, oh, great now. And the Most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in the country don't want to know. Look, I'm no foreign policy expert. I don't know what's going on over there, but I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're fucking super happy about it. And I'm like. But all the people I know that are like, america first, and are people that are like, no new wars, that really thought that we're going to change things and this is all just for money. We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people are all upset. I don't know really what's going on, though. That's the problem. And I really wish I understood Iranian politics more and the running Iranian military structure, because it seems like that's super fucking complicated. Like, they've been preparing to be attacked like this forever, and so they have, like, all these layers of control. Like, when this guy gets taken out, new guys are, like, ready to fill their spot. And then when we're negotiating with a new guy, Israel kills him. Like it's like, the fuck is going on? And then what happened? Yesterday they captured like 20 oil tankers.

[Cam]

Oh, did they? I didn't see that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, there was some. I don't know, it might be bullshit.

[Cam]

I just read that's a whole nother

[Bryce Mitchell]

thing on the toilet in one of the rare weak moments where I traveled to X. Yeah, it's. Boy, I've been so health lately. Last few months, just staying off of Instagram, really staying off of Twitter, just not reading anything. Yeah, they're not anything. But Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics. Oh, I don't know how I found one schizophrenic. My name is Dolores. I am the. The real granddaughter of jfk. The gold that's in the basement is all mine. Trying to stuff inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night. Crazy people. Yeah, not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago. And again, I might spend like 10, 15 minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. Like, I gotta get off of this. There's no reason.

[Cam]

It's interesting.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's.

[Cam]

That's what.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Crazy.

[Cam]

That's what gets you hooked.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I got this one lady. She. She was. Is a. She was a hooker and she's a crackhead and she thinks everyone's a man. Like, so she'll show photos of all these different people. That's a man. She's just fucking out to lunch. One guy thinks he's the rightful President of the United States, and he wears like this dirty old suit, and you can look in his eyes, like, he's out there. The dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do. And he's on Instagram.

[Cam]

I start watching, like, sometimes street fights.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, I watch a lot of those.

[Cam]

There's a lot of those out there. Or the joke, the pranks or the jokes or pets.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's like, pets are cool.

[Cam]

And then it's just like. But they. It's just a trap. It just keeps you there.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then an hour's gone and you're like, what did I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, it's just so much healthier. When I take like full days, like days off, I feel so much better. And I'm like, remember when we were in Hawaii? We. We went to Hawaii a few years back and we went bow hunting and for axis deer on Lanai. And I broke my phone.

[Cam]

Phone.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't know if you remember this.

[Cam]

Yeah, I do.

[Bryce Mitchell]

My phone just start calling people.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I'd be like, this is crazy. I hang up and start calling a new person. Hang up. So I had to get a new phone. It took like, three days. And those are like, three of the happiest days of my life.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And I'm. And I'm like, oh, I should just get rid of my phone. I was thinking that, but I was like, oh, I can't wait for. Till my phone gets here.

[Cam]

Well, there's stuff where it's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cam]

And capturing those memories. That's. Yeah, it's.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And if you have a question. Yeah, I love it for. Because I've always have a question about something. I love that. Siri. Now, you could just press Siri and ask it a question, like, how many minutes are in a month? And it'll just tell you. Yeah, like, right. Like. Oh, like you'd be driving on the car. You have a question. Just press a button and it gives you the answer. Yeah, nuts.

[Cam]

How many times did you have a question? You're just like, I'll probably never figure that out.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Exactly.

[Cam]

But now no question goes unanswered.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Literally instantaneous.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You know, and, you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask it questions because I'm just driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like, I wonder how that happened. And just now, you know, like, instantaneously.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But the dealing with all the people stuff, that's. That's where I checked out. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I don't. Like, it's like if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat, but most of the stoop is shit it. All. Right. I would recommend not eating that soup. And that's what social media is like. It's like, I get some meat out of it here and there. I get some interesting stories about science and some new discovery from the James Webb Telescope. Like, whoa, this is cool. And it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm, like, studying things and getting excited about things, and then I'll just deal with some kooks and. And crazy people and. And grifters and people that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black. And

[Cam]

it's exhausting.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's too much.

[Cam]

It's exhausting. Yeah, it's just.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's just eating soup with in it. Yeah, it's just like. It's not worth it.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Grab some of that son. So and so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible meat. And that is. That is incorrect. People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone.

[Cam]

Okay, give me some. So also this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No one can hear that either. You got to get to the microphone.

[Cam]

Also this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Put that thing down and have a seat.

[Cam]

Oh, there we go. So do you know who Casey Brooks is?

[Bryce Mitchell]

I've heard the name.

[Cam]

So he killed the world record elk.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's right. Yeah. Yeah, that giant. That thing is crazy.

[Cam]

So he does. This is like super hot stuff. Here's what it's called. Called.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What is.

[Cam]

You need to know about chilidin, whatever

[Bryce Mitchell]

Sears, everything you know, need to know about. Well, it's all worn out.

[Cam]

I know it's maybe on the other

[Bryce Mitchell]

page, but mighty Chilean chili.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Okay, so it's a type of chili.

[Cam]

Yeah, you put that on like when you're cooking steaks.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Where's that knife, Jamie?

[Cam]

Yeah, here's one.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Thank you.

[Cam]

Look at that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, sweet. Oh, look at that. Yeah, man. Oh my God. Nuts. That thing is literally nuts. What was the score on that?

[Cam]

It was like 386 or something.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No, 486 or.

[Cam]

No, 486.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, yeah. Like 3 86.

[Cam]

Close to 500.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Whoa, this smells strong.

[Cam]

Does it?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, my God. Yeah, so these are the chili. Oh, so this is a. Yeah, he

[Cam]

said you don't need much.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It says.

[Cam]

What did it say? 480?

[Bryce Mitchell]

It says sprinkle this shit on everything.

[Cam]

Okay. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

This is cool.

[Cam]

Yeah, so I. I brought. And also like, do you know his son. His son is a really good elk caller. I mean, I don't know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I know he makes calls.

[Cam]

Yeah, we don't usually mess around with that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I learned how to do these just last year.

[Cam]

His son is Bo Brooks.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Learn how to make a female alcohol because I had a little one that I blow on.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So I never learned how to use a reed.

[Cam]

Yeah, the mouth read.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I definitely don't know how to make an elk set with a tube. I'm terrible.

[Cam]

Well, let me see that knife real quick. My. Yeah, this is the old pack out Skinner from Montana knife. But here's the good stuff right here. So we got some of this. Tell me what you think of this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I've had it the last time you Brought. It's from the same.

[Cam]

No, this is butcher company. This white's up in Portland. And this is Ronnie. Ronnie's the man, dude.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Portland, Oregon has a good wild game.

[Cam]

I think it's more like Gresham, but it's so good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, that is good.

[Cam]

Tell me what you think of that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's fantastic.

[Cam]

Yeah, that. Thank you, Ronnie. And then this is.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No trichinosis, Right. Trichinosis free.

[Cam]

Then this is.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I mean, have you ever tested yourself for trichinosis? See if you have it? You might already have it.

[Cam]

There's some bear jerky, too.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You might have it and ignored it. It.

[Cam]

So the. The jerky so good. And then also, like, this says whites on it right here. White's Country Meats. So we got sausage.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, you made breakfast sausage?

[Cam]

Yeah. It's so good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Nice.

[Cam]

And then we got some rendered bear fat right here.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, wow.

[Cam]

Brought you that so you can cook with that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, it's dark.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Why is it so dark?

[Cam]

I don't know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's crazy.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Clay Newcomb gave me some.

[Cam]

Did he? Yeah. Okay. Have you ever used it?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, I cooked steaks with it.

[Cam]

Okay.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's great for searing steaks, you know, just like, even beef tallow.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But it gives it a different flavor.

[Cam]

For sure. Definitely. So he did it. It's like. And also, like, the. The bear in the spring, their fat is a little different. So it's. It just reacts differently. For me, making the pepperoni and rendering the fat, it just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there. This is one of the big bear I just killed. And. Yeah. So it's just perfect timing for, I guess, rendering fat and making sausage.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I was watching those videos that Jen was making from bear camp.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Where she smoked that bear for, like, 24 hours.

[Cam]

Yeah. So good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Girl look insane.

[Cam]

It looked, like, so good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They're like. She's like a gourmet chef now with bear.

[Cam]

Yeah. And then they had the meat church guy up there this last week.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

And so they were like. But you know bear meat, when you put a whole back ham on the Traeger. So she. She let it soak, marinate for four days. Right. And I saw people saying, oh, if you did shoe leather for four days, it'd be good. Whatever. I'm just telling you what it. What it was. Four days, then 20 hours of a slow cook on the Traeger. Best meat you've ever had. Just, like, incredible. That's bare. And, you know, there's, like, People talk about the settlers back in the day. They would eat bear and just kill deer for hides.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Isn't that crazy?

[Cam]

To make clothing? Because bear was superior meat. So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good and it's amazing.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, it's because of Yogi. Yeah, Yogi. Us, probably. Yeah, Yogi and the, the one that tells you not to start fires. Who's that guy?

[Cam]

Smokey.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Smokey. Smokey the bear, Yogi. Yeah, they fucked us.

[Cam]

Yeah, they did.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Then Disney, Disney fucked us. You know, if it wasn't for those anthropomorphizations of animals where they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

We would have a completely different idea of animals and much more realistic idea of animals for sure, which I think most hunters have. You love them, you respect them, but they all have to be managed. I sent Whitney Cummings a video that they got shot in Santa Monica the other day of a mountain lion in someone's backyard. Big. Just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in Santa Monica, man,

[Cam]

there's. I mean, I don't know if you

[Bryce Mitchell]

know more anymore, but I can't eat too much. People get annoyed.

[Cam]

Oh yeah, that's true.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's good though. It's.

[Cam]

That's a jalapeno cheddar. How's it taste? Can you taste it?

[Bryce Mitchell]

The one, the first one I had was jalapeno cheddar. Yeah, it's great. It was really good.

[Cam]

So good. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And I know what people saying, oh, you can make anything. Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard. Oh, man, that nuts, man. Look at his eyes. Yeah, you, man, you.

[Cam]

Yeah, it's.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Meanwhile they build a stupid bridge for them and it's way over budget. It's over a hundred million dollars now for the stupid bridge so they can cross. We have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway. Safety. I am of a completely different opinion. I say put one of those big ass grills on your car like I have on my Land Cruiser and let's hope we get a few of them. Yeah, so they don't kill people's dogs. Look, it was right there in the middle. Yeah, it's 14th. It says knocked it on four. That is bananas. Look where it is. Like, look how dense. Look how dense the housing is there. There's a mountain lion right there.

[Cam]

And they think a mountain lion is going to go find this bridge.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, they, they probably will eventually find the bridge, but there's a bunch of retards that'll still make their way across the highway and they're supposed to get hit. That's. That's nature. Yeah, let's figure it out.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Figure it out or die. Yeah, figure it out or die. There's too many of them.

[Cam]

They.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They're so unrealistic about their mountain lion numbers. Yeah, there's way too many of them. They're all over California because they don't manage them.

[Cam]

That's what we talked. Yeah, we talked about that last time. And it's like, I just wonder what is, you know, what's the goal? Because now, you know, I wore this shirt today because now public land is again back in the crosshairs. I don't know if you saw that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. What is going on?

[Cam]

This Mike Lee guy.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, that same guy.

[Cam]

Same guy from. He. He's trying to.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, this is the Utah guy, right?

[Cam]

The Utah guy. So right now it's like there's this. This bill that was going to be introduced. It was like talking about wildfires, essentially. But it's like what he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it, like they always do. There's always these other provisions tied into with all these bills.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

And you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not, but he put in this roadless area section because there's 45 million acres of roadless area that he wants access to. Basically. They're not saying this. They're saying for some other reason, I think, oh, here's what they said. We have so many acres of roadless area that to fight wildfires, we need roads.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Okay.

[Cam]

They don't care about fighting wildfires. They care about resource extraction or development. Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Maybe development. But development's a tough sell in a lot of those wilderness areas. But what's not a tough sell?

[Cam]

That's what they tried with this. Remember the affordable housing?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

Like, oh, just the areas to say

[Bryce Mitchell]

that's what it was.

[Cam]

That was supposedly affordable housing, which, like, years ago, I went back and talked to Jason Chaffis. He was. He was a representative there in Utah. And I went back there and spoke to him. And at that time, it was about surplus acreage. So there's 3 million surplus acres nobody's using.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion, that the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy.

[Cam]

They might.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I'm not public land.

[Cam]

I'm not.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And I Think somebody told me that. See if there's any reality to that, that. That the Mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land. I don't know if that makes any sense. This is not my thought. Someone told me this and I was like, wait, what? And I don't think I ever looked it up.

[Cam]

Right. I do that, too. I'm like, I need to look that up and never do. And then I never know anything more. But, yeah. So I went back, talked to Jason. At that time, it was surplus acreage. Then this time it was affordable housing. Now this time it's wild. Wildfire fighting, which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires, it's. There's. The National Forest Service already has $10 billion of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now. So they're saying you're going to add more roads to the $10 billion worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on? Don't think so. What they're going to do is. And then also if you make roads, the stats say 85 to 90% of fires are started within a half mile of road. Of a road. So it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there. There's hardly any fires back there. It's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain. That's the fires are starting. Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right. Because it's usually people. It's.

[Cam]

It's human cause 90% of the time it's human. It's. That's only like a small percentage of fires that can be fought.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Here it is. Some Utah politicians who are members of the LDS Mormon Church have pushed proposals to sell or transfer federal public lands. But this is a political movement, not an official LDS Church program. And other Mormon groups openly oppose it. So Utah's see more disinformation. So they try to feed me.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And I kind of helped spread it. Right. Utah's heavily dominated by federal land. 42% of the state is managed by the Bureau of Land Management alone, even more under other federal agencies. Because so much federal. So much of Utah's federal fights over whether to retain, transfer, or sell some of that land is especially intense there.

[Cam]

Yeah. This next part is about Mike Lee.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Which conservative Utah Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of western public, public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing or local economies. The housing thing is like, hey, man, you. No, you're not putting houses in the mountains. I don't believe you. Well, I think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there or something.

[Cam]

It's a. I mean, they don't care about. First of all, they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mountains which, you know, water, power. That's not going to happen. Happen.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What is this Wyoming thing? Says that Wyoming case would have been the first time a registered national historic site was sold into private ownership, which is why it drew attention. What are they referring to, though? A national historic site among Oregon trail could end up in the hands of private owners at the request of members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. Oh, so the church tried to purchase public land.

[Cam]

So down to that next one. It says LDS teachings require strong stewardship and explicitly advocate preserving, protecting public land. So, okay, that goes against.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So it's just politicians like what he's doing.

[Cam]

And I think he's like beholden to Trump. Trump's like his errand boy for this public land thing. Because Trump doesn't give a fuck about public land.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But his son does. This is what doesn't make any sense. Like his Donald Trump Jr does he listen to anybody? I don't know.

[Cam]

I don't think so.

[Bryce Mitchell]

To me about psychedelics.

[Cam]

Well, that. Okay, we'll talk to him about this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Is that again with sneaky roadless rule amendment?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Well, maybe if I see him this weekend. Well, I will see him this weekend, but maybe I'll talk to him about that. But I don't think there was a.

[Cam]

There was a sentence in there that I just saw. It says 99 right here, right in the middle. 99% of Americans oppose repealing the role this rule. Okay, so. So why they work for us, isn't it? Isn't that right? So the reason why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions. It's like, why don't they listen to people like the public? The public would say, yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them manageable.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't think the public of California would. I'm opposed to that. I'm opposed to ballot box biology.

[Cam]

No, no, me too.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So they got wolves in the Colorado.

[Cam]

But I'm just wondering, I mean, like with this, this roadless rule, they didn't ask the public anything.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

And 99% of the public oppose it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, that's way. I think I would say way more people oppose that than oppose any kind of a hunting thing.

[Cam]

Yeah, I'm good with. Okay, so on your point then, I want biologists making the decision on hunting 100%. I don't want politicians making the decision on land use 100%. All right, so. So that's all I'm saying. It's like, let's have experts in the field decide these things. It's like, who is the expert in the field who decided the White House needs a ballroom?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Me. I called in.

[Cam]

No, but it's like, how are these decisions being made? Like this roadless rule. This was like a last minute add on that the public did not get a chance to vote on. How is that okay?

[Bryce Mitchell]

No, it's not okay. It's super fucking sneaky. And I think all of our position should be like your T shirt, the Teddy Roosevelt position. Not one acre. Like we have a amazing system here.

[Cam]

We do.

[Bryce Mitchell]

The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world. It's very different. And the fact that you can go out there and that is your land. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, public land is your land. And you have access to incredible wilderness, beautiful places. And if you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no people. And it's unbeliev pristine wilderness. And it's owned by the entire country. And we got to keep it that way. We can't, we can't let that slippery slope get, get into play. As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll, they'll keep going. Not one acre once.

[Cam]

Once you lose something, you don't get it back ever. And this, especially with this public land, like at this time when, when we all came together, it was outdoorsmen in all regards, it was hunting, hiking, fishing, whoever, recreators. It's like people who just love and appreciate public lands, we all came together, shot it down and the public sentiment was vicious, right? And they couldn't ignore it. We need the same thing now because at this time, I know we did so much, everybody came together, but when they do these, they wear us down with these, these last minute deals and add on these things because it's like, how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting and you're like, I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already and now it's back.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they keep so many fucking balls in the air at the same Time is. Because you can't fight at all. You know, it's like, do you really care about the Epstein files or do you care about UFO disclosure? Yeah, I know the UF UAPs. We're gonna have a big meeting on Monday. We're gonna have a big release on Wednesday. So. Okay.

[Cam]

So I think they took. To me, it seems pretty nefarious that they like, say, oh, we got all these dipshits worried about this roadless rule. Okay. We can distract some of them with aliens. Got an alien stuff. All right. Okay. Oh, we could. We could distract some of them with fighting. We got the White House fight coming up. Okay, that's. And now all of a sudden, now it's way quieter because they've distracted some of these core groups with this other. Right. And. And it's the bread and circus thing. And like, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell, who said this, that it's not for the White House to be putting on sporting events. That's not. We hire the government to run our country, not entertain us.

[Bryce Mitchell]

True. Yeah. No, I. Look, I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That said, it's going to be sick. It's going to be.

[Cam]

It's going to be. I'm going to watch.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I have two, like, people think, oh, Rogan's negative. Nope, I'm not negative. But I'm not positive either. I don't. If it was me, if I was running the. The ufc, I would never run the ufc. But if I was running the ufc, I would have never wanted to do it. Yeah, I would have said, we can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship fight. We can't have someone win or lose, lose because they're outside and it's muggy.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That doesn't make any sense to me. It's going to affect the grappling. It's going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's going to be sweaty as. Oh, yeah. It's going to be completely different than. And also your endurance is going to be less.

[Cam]

No. No submissions going. Probably going to happen.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, you know, maybe. But also, you can get under a neck way quicker.

[Cam]

All right. Slide your arm through there. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You could cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweaty.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You could get it right under the chin.

[Cam]

Yeah, that'd be tough.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It slides in there. But most grapplers would not prefer that. Most grapplers would prefer an air conditioned arena, like normal. It should be fucking 72 degrees, just like it always is. You know, it should be air conditioned like it always is.

[Cam]

But even the, the controlling the hands because, you know, like if you're top or bottom, like the big part is like the wrist control.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

Like if you're sweaty. Oh, yeah, that's top. I mean, it changes.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Back in the old days, dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil.

[Cam]

Oil. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then they would wash it off. And so then they would, you know, get warmed up. And then when they would start sweating, the baby oil would come out of their pores. Because it's like when you soak in baby oil for hours. I'm not accused of getting individuals doing this, but I know for a fact it happened. And guys would be completely greased up and you could wipe them down with a towel, it wouldn't matter. I mean, the grease is everywhere. It's in their pores. And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a hold of them as well. Weep. It's like trying to hold on to a salmon in the middle of the water. They just slip right out of your fingers.

[Cam]

Well, that happens too if you eat McDonald's all the time. Just kind of grease out your pores. So they should try that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Maybe that'll work. I think that'll affect your performance more. But the, the, the sweat is going to be a big issue. The outside, the bugs. That's going to be a big issue.

[Cam]

Thunderstorms.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah, it's going to rain. Looking at another forecast that says starting around 2 o', clock, rain, 3 o' clock thunderstorms, 7 o' clock rain.

[Cam]

It looks great.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, by 8 o' clock it's only showers. Don't be a. Just showers. Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it. Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors, it'd be better for everybody. I don't like it. I think I. The idea was like they want the, the Octagon, the White House behind it. Yeah. For image and everything like that. It's gonna be dope. The card is sick. It's a amazing card. The car, I mean, it's only seven fights and all of them are bangers. From the opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez. Bam. Right off the gate. It's like Bo Nickel and Kyle Dawkis. Bam. Right out the gate. I mean, it's, it's going to be a sick card. The card's amazing.

[Cam]

That does look Incredible.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's the lightning catcher that they put over there. Yeah. It's gonna be nuts. It's gonna be nuts if it happens, but if it rains like crazy, you know, But I mean, everybody will love it if it rains. All the people who hate it. Yeah. Rain on those mega folks.

[Cam]

I know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's very divided time.

[Cam]

Oh, it's. It's nuts.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. But like I said, my concern is for the athletes. A fighter's career is very short, a loss is devastating, and to not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think it's crazy. Crazy.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But it's also going to be sick. It's like being there is going to be nuts. And maybe it's worth it. I don't know. We'll find out.

[Cam]

Well, you got to hand it to Dana for going big like he always does.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He always does.

[Cam]

I mean, you know, they.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He always does.

[Cam]

He was at the, the Sphere in Vegas. Right. It's like wasn't. That was out of the box, but it was amazing.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, that was sick. But that was a one time only thing. That was so much money. But this is a one time only thing supposedly too. But apparently Trump doesn't want to take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up.

[Cam]

Really? I don't know, man. I think it'd be great.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple of weeks. That'd be the next gimmick.

[Cam]

I mean, why not?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Fuck it.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's just the whole thing's chaos anyway.

[Cam]

It's a crazy time.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I mean, what. Biden could have a giant LBGT flag in front of the White House. House and have trans people pulling their breasts out. Remember that? They had big pride day. They had big pride flag in front of the White House.

[Cam]

Like, I'll take, I'll take this over that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's like all of it is silly.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's also. That should have nothing to do with the White House. This should have nothing to do with the White House.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But you know, and then there's a lawsuit right now we're trying to sue to keep. They'll probably lose.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't, I'm not a lawyer. I don't know, but I would imagine they're not going to win.

[Cam]

I'm a huge fighting fan, UFC fan. You know, Dana White is like an icon. I love all the fighters. I just love everything about it. It's. I just, you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him because he has a lot of takes, but. But on this one, I kind of get it. And, yeah. I mean, I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping to this opportunity.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No.

[Cam]

It's like the whole world's gonna watch huge.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's gonna be probably the most watched sporting event maybe in history. I mean, it's on Paramount, so it'll be on CBS as well. Right. So it'll be probably available. Is it on cbs? So it's on CBS as well, so it'll be available to everybody. And then all the haters are gonna watch it, too.

[Cam]

Oh, for sure.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're gonna want to talk.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So it'll probably be covered on cnn. What a disaster it was. And there were any. Top. Talked a lot about how I'm not into it, but I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into. I can't just agree with something if I don't agree with it. I'll be respectful. I'll. You know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the ufc, and it's always an honor to work for them, and I love it, but I don't like it. But I'll still.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

When I'm there, I'm like, oh, this is sick.

[Cam]

Oh.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And maybe after it's over, I'm like, they were right. Fight. Or maybe it'll be like, oh, it rained. It was. What a show.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It was. Lightning that canceled the fights was a huge disaster for cbs.

[Cam]

It's live sports. It's like, you never know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I mean, if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the canopy, now I'm in.

[Cam]

Yeah. That's like Apex style.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Now I like it. Now I like it. No crowd, just us. Just me, D.C. and Anik.

[Cam]

That'd be pretty fun.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Now I like it. Now I like it. And, you know, we're protected by the rain, but everybody else isn't, so they all have to leave. Yeah. I think it's gonna be also a lot of, like, look at me. People gonna dress up nice for it and, like. Because they know they're going to be on television.

[Cam]

Oh, yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then it's, you know, I get it, but I. It's really. For me, it's about the fights. There's. There's gigantic fights on that car. The Justin Gaethje Ilotoporia fight. I am very interested in that fight. I'm very interested in that fight. I really wish it was, like, at the T Mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever, but who cares? I, I, that's a fight I have a lot of questions about. I need to see that fight happen.

[Cam]

I mean, Justin's quite a bit bigger, but Ilya is so skilled, bro.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He's, I watched a whole, I watched his entire career last night. So there was a. The UFC put out a video about Ilya saying, is Ilya Toporia the goat. And it goes from his first fight in the UFC to his last victory. And you watch every single fight of his career, and you watch him get better over time, and, you know, it gets deeper into his career. And then you, you see his last three fights, and you're like, good Lord. Yeah, he was awesome when he first entered the ufc, but he just kept getting better. So the use of salal fights, the first fight, that goes to a decision, you know, and, and then you, you watch the progression. He starts KO and people, his last

[Cam]

three KOs over the biggest stars.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They're some of the greatest of all time.

[Cam]

Max.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Who?

[Cam]

Who?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Charlovera.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Charles, one of the greatest of all times. Max Holloway, one of the greatest of all times. And then Alexander Volkanovsky, the greatest featherweight of all time. Yeah, like crazy.

[Cam]

Knocked him out.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Knocked all three of them out.

[P. Davis Jones]

How?

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's one of the greatest resumes of all time. Time. CBS won't air UFC White House event. Viewers would need Paramount plus to watch. What happened? Did they back out of it? This is news to me. I just saw. Oh, they would not televise it. That means you. I wonder if, like Paramount, White decided, cited the plan to tell America story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved. What? The plan to tell America's story.

[Cam]

What? That doesn't make sense.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What does that mean? We don't want to talk about America's story on cbs. No, because there's only X number of fights, and it starts from the first one. White said, we start at the beginning of time. And like the Mexican Independence Day fight, we're going to have the story of America from the first fight to the last. So, no, they'll all be on Paramount. So it's going to start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone smallpox. And then you're gonna see all the Indians die, and then we're gonna go, oh, look at all these buffalo, because there's no one there to kill them. And then we're gonna see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other. It should be fun.

[Cam]

Yeah, it's gonna be a good story.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's gonna be a very accurate story of how the United States started. It'll start from back when we up Mexico and like, what was that? 1861 to get Texas now? What year did they know? It was like 1821, wasn't it? It like that. That Mexico owned Texas. We'll start from the beginning. We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for like 50 bucks.

[Cam]

Yeah. People love it. Why wouldn't you want.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Good. It'll be good. It'd be great.

[Cam]

It. Yeah, it's. I don't know. It's. It's going to be a spectacle for sure. I'll be tuning in.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. But I'll be there.

[Cam]

Yeah. You're at the White House all the time now?

[Bryce Mitchell]

I've been there a couple times, yeah. It's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks and my experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately for everybody else, like, you know, if he likes you and you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around. He says a lot of fun. The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does. Like, he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom because he want, like, he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just there is not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the President of the United States that's loved by everybody. Yeah, but his. The, the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff. Stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for. And that's what people are upset about. The war. The war specifically, that.

[Cam]

I don't. You know, we voted for protecting the border.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Uhhuh. And they did that.

[Cam]

Yeah. It's. Or American manufacturing. Protecting America's interests, like with trade, with just protecting people's jobs so we have a way to work and provide for our family. America first. That was what. That sounded good to me. And it feels like this isn't any of that. Like, it feels like even his administration. At first I was just like, oh, fuck, these are some. This is good. But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, it's that for sure. And then it's also, you know, the amount of political pressure, you know, you have to make deals. Right. So you got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there. And then you got the oil company is trying to squeeze that, the military is trying to squeeze this. And there's a lot of compromises that have to be made and that's where things get dark.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're going to fix this and clean that. Like I've had long conversations with RFK and that guy's in struggle all day. It's a battle all day.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's dealing with all these pressures. And look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with, with peptides. They made a lot of headway with eliminating some of these unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to. But they lost with glyphosate. Yeah, that was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one. You know, I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it, that's going to talk about it soon. And it, it is the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue. Issue. We don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume glyphosate ridden products have. We don't know how much it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your immune system? What is it taking away from? How much is your body processing this toxic herbicide that's in your system versus, I mean, how much of that is contributing to people's health problems? There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy shit is, that people are just reacting to bromate and pesticides and herbicides.

[Cam]

But what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glyphate basically with all the agriculture there and then that's like the hotbed for cancer.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

I mean. Yeah, you don't have to look very far to see that connection.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No, you don't. No. Well, you know, that was also back in the day when people, when people talk about the polio epidemic. You can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of DDT all over the country. Because DDT poisoning has the exact same reaction. The body has the exact same reaction as polo, as paralytic polo. Polio. Polo. Polio.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You know the disease, like there's this woman who wrote a great book on it, Suzanne Humphrey's is called Dissolving Illusions and it's all about that and all about, like, first of all, they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing, and people were getting polio.

[Cam]

I remember seeing kids, like, running through it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But it wasn't just people that were getting polio. This is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio. Animals were getting polio. Like, animals were getting. Getting polio, but they don't get polio. It doesn't spread to animals. But the horses and cows were getting paralyzed. They were getting the same symptoms because it's ddt Poison.

[Cam]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And here's the craziest one. What percentage of polio is asymptomatic? Meaning you get it and you have no symptoms. I don't know, 95 to 99.

[Cam]

Really?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So it's. People have it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

This. It's DDT.

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

DDT. Be that. I mean, look, it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromised get polio and get up and die. Of course polio is bad. Thousands of people die every year from the flu. Flu's bad, right?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Okay. But you know what else is bad? Ddt. Yeah. You know what else is going on when everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic, spraying DDT everywhere. And most people are ignorant to it.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And you bring it up, they call you a conspiracy theorist, but it's fact.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's undeniable.

[Cam]

Well, I was like, you know, the. Controlling the weather. I was like, that's conspiracy. But then I started seeing the planes, like, laying the fucking clouds out. Have you seen it?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yes and no. Okay, so I actually did a show on this.

[Cam]

You did?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yes. I did not an episode of the podcast. I did an episode of Joe Rogan. Questions, Everything. Remember that show that I used to do back in the day? We did a whole episode on chemtrails. And one of the things we found. First of all, all the reason why it looks like that. This is just a fact. The reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere. You have a hot jet engine. It's passing through this cool air, and the hot jet engine and the cool, wet air creates clouds. Yeah, Those clouds are real. It's artificial crowds.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Also, they spray in the air.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Two things are happening at the same time.

[Cam]

Yeah. Because you see the normal planes, you see the normal jet stream, you're like, okay, checks out. Then you see the other ones, and it's a different jet stream.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. But it doesn't matter. The condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent, but they're making just like clouds are inconsistent.

[Cam]

But you can. We watched them the other day make laps.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, but it might not be the same plane. It might just be a route. Right? You're not watching the entire plane go all the way down, land and come back.

[Cam]

No, no, but.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But you're watching consistent plane patterns. Yeah, but that's why it looks like that. But it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere. Dude, I'm telling you. Listen, those planes, if you're looking at a Southwest flight and, yeah, they're not spraying. Okay, but some planes spray.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And there are some weather modification experiments they do that are completely top secret. They don't let anybody know about it. They do cloud seeding. They cause floods.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Look what happened with Dubai, right? You ever see that? Dubai, where Lamborghinis are floating down the highway.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That is people with the environment.

[Cam]

That's what I thought was conspiracy before, which I don't now.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No, it's real. Well, Abu Dhabi does it every week. Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding. And because they're rich, they're like, it make it rain. And so there's. There's real weather modification now that there's cloud seeding. And then there's experimental like some of the. That like Bill Gates was talking about, like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the sun. Like, hey, Face.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Who are you to make a decision for the whole world, to cool the world. You didn't even graduate college. Shut the up. Like, this is crazy. And also the unintended consequences of any action that has never been taken before for, like, cooling off the planet. What if this starts the next ice age and everybody dies?

[Cam]

Right? I know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I mean, get the out of the air. Leave us alone. Stop playing God. You don't know what you're doing. And also, do you have any money invested in any of these projects attached

[Cam]

to this for sure. This, you know, we talk about all this stuff, you know. Oh, I didn't want to say this. So for public land, I want to say this part of my notes. Call your senators, say you want the roadless rule kept intact. Say we don't want to get rid of. Of the 45 million acres that, that are going to be protected with the roadless rule. But to call your senators is 202-224-3121. Say, say you. You want the roadless rules kept intact. And we have to. We have to let our voices Heard our voice was heard on this. Not one acre. We won that one. We have to do it again. You have to call your senators and say, and just voice your concerns.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's a slippery slope. You can't let them have any ground.

[Cam]

But like, what I. Here's what this thing really pissed me off because as I said, the administration, at first I thought, okay, we got some good pipe hitters in there. It feels like they do what Trump says. If they don't, they're gone. They're like, like they're the scapegoat for whatever failed. They're out of there. You can see the writing on the wall. Like, I don't. I was, I wanted Tulsi to get in there and kick ass because I knew how she felt about the war in Iran and, and like, that would have. How detrimental that would be. So I was like, I, I believed in her. And now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there. But it feels like people are. It's like if you stand up for something, you're gone. And now they got this Mark Wayne Mullen in there who just two days ago for this roadless rule, he unwinded 31 laws that were going to protect the, the public land, right? Just 31 laws. He just said, yeah, those aren't going to apply anymore because we need to. They awarded a 1.7 billion dollar contract to build a wall in Texas. That Big bend National Park. $1.7 million billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big Bend national park here. It's like how the public doesn't want that. We don't want a wall for. They're saying for border protection. And if you look at like where the border crossings are, it's not in the middle of the park.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So what do you think that wall is really for?

[Cam]

I don't know. Up National national park, one of the most pristine places in Texas. I don't know what the goal this,

[Bryce Mitchell]

but have you read into it, though? Is there any arguments pro and con that the walls.

[Cam]

I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection. I mean, maybe Jamie can look it up.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, let's see if there's. Is there like there was no public

[Cam]

input on it again?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right, That's a problem. And then the problem is again, they can come up with reasons why, you know, they have to make some new laws because, well, we got to protect people.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And that's how the slippery slope began.

[Cam]

It was A Covid like, you know, safe and effective, protect your communities. It's like, you got to do this for safety. Well, it's the same thing.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Bend National Park. So what is, does it say what the argument for it is? According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than 100 miles of US Mexico border. So it's a border law.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

From near Clo, near the Closed Canyon Trail in Big Bend Ranch State park through the entirety of Big Bend national park into remote parts of southeastern Brewster County. In the notice, Homeland Security Mark Wayne Mullen wrote the administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious. Expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border. While U.S. customs and Border Protection continues to insist it will not build a 30 foot tall steel border wall in either the state or national park, the agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology and patrol road upgrades in the parks as a part of a project dubbed. Dubbed Big Ben 4.

[Cam]

So this is like not, not listening to the experts again. Six former superintendents of Big Bend national park penned a letter to Mullen urging him not to take such a step. So again, not listening to the experts. Just like the ballot box biologists just doing whatever the they want. Doesn't matter what the public or the expert. Things they're gonna. Thinks they're gonna do it. Award these bids to the probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for $1.7 billion with no bid. It's like, how is this, how is this. Okay.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, it's very. I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there?

[Cam]

No, there's not. That's the thing they have where all the crossings happen. There's like this tiniest percentage in that park.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Park. Because it seems like it's probably a very remote area of Mexico that it connects to as well. Right. So it'd be very difficult to get through that way. And also if you're going to get through that way, like, good Lord.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're going into like tough country.

[Cam]

Yeah. And you know, that's, that's good elk country down there.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I know people who hunt West Texas.

[Cam]

Good, good bulls.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

Yeah. So it's like, I just, I don't know. It's. So if you look at the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend, you know, they don't want construction down there. And especially if we voted on it. Fine. If there was a reason, Fine. But it was never voted on.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. It says the horrific plans are an affront to the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend Lake. And Jordal, an advocate with the center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement, politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild. Wild and beautiful place. Yep. Yeah.

[Cam]

And that's. You know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty close with Trump tell me that he's never walked on dirt before.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Trump's never walked on dirt. He plays golf. Has to have walked on dirt.

[Cam]

Grass, baby.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Dirt. So not on his course.

[Cam]

But. But the point is, it's like somebody who doesn't appreciate public land, they don't give a. About this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No, they don't give a. And they don't. They're not gonna see it. And they never would see it. There is a border wall going up there, too, though. There as well. Same spot. Same spot.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Look, they have to protect the border, but if there's not a lot of crossings there and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border, like, who's getting the contract?

[Cam]

And just to award that with no bid, it's just not. That's not. I work. I was a. A public buyer. That's not how it works. You're spending public money. You can't just spend public money without a bid.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

I mean, but they bypass all this shit that has the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money, and they bypass it all. And then, you know who suffers here? It's the people who don't have. Like, some people, they go to the park for mental health. They want to go camp. They want. It's like, they might not have two nickels to their name, but they're appreciating nature. That's why public land is so important, because that gives purpose to people like me, who's less like, I got to get out of here, of this city and go recharge. Right. So for people who don't appreciate that or care about that, that's. That's wasted land. It's like we could have a shopping mall. We could have investors doing this. We could have make this where. Because right now they. They would say that, well, not everybody can. Can take advantage of this because you have to hike, you have to do these things. So we want to make it more accessible so more people can enjoy it. No.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, that's.

[Cam]

That's not how it works.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're going to fuck it up yeah, you can't just have helicopter landing plaids all over the fucking woods.

[Cam]

There's, there's your. Yeah, there's your contract.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with GOP White House ties. Construction contracts, including $2.6 billion awarded this week, are being awarded to at a historic scale through a streamlined process that could put Trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall law.

[Cam]

Yeah, see that streamlined process that was bypassing 31 laws.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And so what's there now? Like what is the border now between Mexico and the United States in that area? Is it just land? Like you just walk right across?

[Cam]

It's probably the river.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What is it? What is the border? Can we find that out? Jamie, does it say? It doesn't say. Okay, let's just look. Go up map.

[Cam]

Okay. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And see what the map looks like. Okay, let's see. So that's where it is. Texas.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Marsa. So is that the river that blocks it? Well, the river blocks the whole bottom of the border. Technically there's certain parts of the river. I mean, look at that. Hard get across that river. That one.

[Cam]

Well, I mean, people aren't going to go there to cross.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's crazy. Look how beautiful that is.

[Cam]

It's amazing.

[Bryce Mitchell]

God, that's so beautiful.

[Cam]

No, they're. They're not going there to cross.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, that's all mountainous. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to see actually. Where is the most border crossings actually? I mean, for a while it was like where they had that road where they were just letting them.

[Cam]

Most border crossings are in actually in Arizona. Really? Yeah, I'm. I'm almost positive. So I'm sure Jamie's going to find it here.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I was, I'm asking it how many happened through Big Ben National Park?

[Cam]

Yeah. Find that one.

[Bryce Mitchell]

30. Got to stop them. $84 billion.

[Cam]

Yeah, it's just like. God, I don't know. Just stuff like this. So what happens is like you get distracted with the Israel, the bombing of the girls school, the Epstein files, and then they do like this. This.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Okay. The only official border crossing inside Big Ben national park is the Boquilla port of entry. And it sees on the order of about 10,000 legal crossings by visitors per year, plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other parts of the US Mexico border. What exists in Big Ben? Big Ben national park shares about 118 miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grande. The only legal port of entry actually inside the park is Boquillas Crossing. Small Pedestrian only crossing to the Bquias del Carmen, Mexico. National park service information and travel videos describe Boquillas as handling roughly 10,000 visitor crossings per year.

[Cam]

Yeah, those are mostly all legal. So. 734

[Bryce Mitchell]

Border Patrol sector sees only a fraction of total southwest border crossings. One report cited 734 people documented crossing in that sector by more than 27,000 along the entire U. S. Mexico border in a given period. And like what year was that where it was? 734 was that before they shut down the border? What's really crazy, how many people came in the country? Oh, I know the fact that over four years it's north of 10 million. And I've talked to people that think it's 20. It doesn't say, doesn't say wow.

[Cam]

And it just shows those out of the 27,000 but doesn't say they're illegal.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So it's not a hotspot of crossing.

[Cam]

The last slide there said it says a smallest fraction is illegal. Of that 734 those were like total crossings in that area. A smallest fraction was illegal. So it's. No, it's not as B.S.

[Bryce Mitchell]

right, it's B.S. and they're just going to do it because. Because they got a nice contract and they want a wall. Beautiful wall.

[Cam]

Yeah, but why? Giant wall in the national park.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No. The Washington Post reported last week the skyrocketing border wall contracts now Totally more than 19.4 billion in the last six months have mostly gone to Bernard and Fisher. That's prompted a lawsuit against the Trump administration from a would be rival border wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities.

[Cam]

Yeah, all right, see that's illegal. I mean, but that's what they're doing.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, no bueno.

[Cam]

No. And so, but, but as I was saying, they distract us with all this other stuff and push through shit like this. Like who knows what a Senate, what the Senate or House is voting on on a fucking Tuesday. Well, it was this public land thing, you know, just added in in the middle of the night. We have no say on it. We're distracted with all this fights at the UFC with Israel doing whatever the fuck they're doing. And it's just like, oh, we just lost all this public land too. And it's like it's impossible to keep up on. That's what's frustrating.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You know what's not frustrating? This bear meat. It's pretty fucking good.

[Cam]

Yeah, that's man, that's legit. But what. Okay, so that, so what can be done?

[Bryce Mitchell]

This bill hasn't passed, right?

[Cam]

No. Now it's gonna go to the Senate. So it was in the House. Then here's what. Here's the problem. So this was originally. This roadless rule is bipartisan. Everybody agreed. Let's protect this. Now with Mike Lee adding this language in there. Now it's turned. Now there's lines in the sand. And nine Republican senators voted with the Democrats on this to, to allow this, the roadless rule, to get to be in there. So now it goes to the full Senate. Now they're going to need whatever the. The percentage is, 6, I think 60% of a full Senate vote for it to pass. So we'll see.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So now the scumbag lobbyists get involved.

[Cam]

Yep.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And they start pressuring people and help them out. You do this and I'll do that. And help me here and I'll help you there.

[Cam]

When they get overwhelmed. Switchboards. If people call that 202 number, like I said, then that makes it to everybody.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And what's that number again?

[Cam]

202. 224. 3421. Say you're. You want to keep the roadless rule intact. You don't want to sell off public lands. You don't want to. This is all bs but they, they do this. And yeah, the lobbyists get involved and what happens is like, what happened with the big, beautiful bill is this part was in there, there. And Trump wanted it in there, but it was causing such a friction. He was just like, I want my big beautiful bill passed. These guys are fucking it up with this public land stuff. Pull that out. Let's get this through. So they did. They pulled out this. We saved the public land. Who knows what we lost. That. That was also attached. But anyway, we saved public land at that time. They were going to. For affordable housing. Same thing has to happen here. He's got this language added into the shit they're already working on. On that changes. You know, we've had. We've had this in place for decades. And, and it's worked. Right. So we have to say, no, we're not down with this. And they have to pull it out again.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, I hope we can get it through. We'll push it. You got it up on social media where people can.

[Cam]

Yeah, I will.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Cameron Haynes, Instagram.

[Cam]

I will for sure. But it's like, you know, it's. This is so important because it, it's so important to people without a voice. So it's like, like I feel sometimes like how did I get in this position? I know you do, too. Like, where you're at the White House, you're just like, how the, how the. Could somebody like me earn this opportunity?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right?

[Cam]

You've earned it through decades and decades of work of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of caring. And now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you. That gives you a platform. You've the most powerful voice. Voice probably in the world at. In some. At some times. And so you get invited to the White House. And I know, like, for me, I know they've used me there before. Like, yeah, I created value in myself. They invited me there for Veterans Day, and I said, no, I'm not going, because I don't agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree with all this. I don't want to go and have a picture in the White House so people could be like, see, See you. You fucking. You're part of this. You. You know, because we did. We. We thought that Trump was the best option at the last election. I did. I 100% believed he was better.

[Bryce Mitchell]

The thing is, he might still have been the best option.

[Cam]

He might be, but. And, and that's fine.

[Bryce Mitchell]

We don't know what would have happened. No, the, The Kamala Harris administration had been a continuation of the Biden administration.

[Cam]

I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions. I didn't want that. I didn't want, you know, this celebration of transgenderism. I have no problem with transgenders or cross dressers or any. I have no problem or gay or anything like that. I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth. That's it. I don't want youth getting surgery that their parents don't know about because they can't have a say in it now. I don't. I didn't want any of that. So of course I'm gonna vote. Vote for Trump right now. I don't like any of this. So I have the. My right is to say, no, I'm not down with this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right?

[Cam]

And I'm not going to the. I'm not going to be in your picture at the White House, so you can use it. And all the people who listen to me would be like, oh, so they

[Bryce Mitchell]

wanted you to go for. Was Veterans Day. And what was the, the premise of having you there?

[Cam]

I don't know. But.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But you're not a veteran. So what was the promise?

[Cam]

It's only because I have a big platform.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So they're gonna celebrate Veterans Day at the White House. And they just said let's get some famous people probably.

[Cam]

I mean it's, it's, you know. Remember the Epstein files where all the influencers had the binder.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well it was Pam Bondi. Yeah but, and there was, but there's, there was a few other influencers but

[Cam]

they use, they, they you, they can use people like us for their messaging.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Uh huh.

[Cam]

And then they invited me back again after. Now I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care and it's just like I don't have to agree with lockstep with the person I voted for. That's our right as citizens to be like I voted for that. But I don't agree with this and I'm not happy about this and I'm, and I want you to know that's, that's our right as voters.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Would they invite you back again for

[Cam]

this was back it was for a public land thing and I'm like yeah, I'm down for it but I just know I had this, this kid on Benji back he's like has this, this page this nonpartisan something for outdoors. But I did this show with him and I there was you know bringing different people into debate public land or like to share why we care about public land coming from different places but it's still all important to us. I did the show with him. Well he went, I had him on the podcast. He talked about his how he's working hard to protect public land. He went back to back and Trump signed an executive order something about public land. And all it was was a pomp and circumstance photo op to get executive order. Nothing has happened to it. Nothing has happened with it. No action's been taken. It was like all it was was just they can make a press clipping out of it. Theater a theater. And nothing's going to change. Nothing changes, nothing's protected. So that's what I feel like a lot of these times sometimes if I get invited there it's for that is to, is to make my base if I have a base I don't have. I'm not a politician but to make my people like feel a little better about whatever's going on. And I understand that's how it works. You want powerful people on your side. Right? I'm not saying I'm powerful but I have a pretty big following. I went back there because it was a huge honor of the few times that I've been back there and is amazing and it's like being in the White House. House. Somebody like me should never be there. But I've created value in my name in some ways that I get that opportunity, but that opportunity comes with a price. So now I have to think about, am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this? And now it's too. There's too much for me that I'm not happy with, that I can't ignore it personally. So that's. I feel like they use. They use opportunities like that for. For, you know, for press.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, the. The. It seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie. And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want.

[Cam]

Or what about the military drones? Those contracts when this war started. That's. You can look into who. Who made money on that one?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Who made money on that one one.

[Cam]

Should we look it up? Jamie? Drone, military contract. Let's see who made money. I don't want to say, but, you know.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Huh. Okay. Well, I don't know. So I'm. I'm going to be surprised.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So maybe, maybe not.

[Cam]

But, like, when you follow the money, it makes a lot of sense. Of course, when you follow. When you follow apac, you're like, why is this politician always pushing this? Where do they get their money? Oh, I know this guy back home. He's running for, like, this local politician thing. His name's athletic. Him. He's like. He goes, I.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Don Jr. What?

[Cam]

What? Jamie, what did you find?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Wait a minute.

[Cam]

What did you.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Are you. This has got to be a mistake. Eric and Don Jr. Invest in military drone company amid Iran war.

[Cam]

Is it? Jamie, where'd you find this?

[Bryce Mitchell]

That seems like propaganda from Iran or something.

[Cam]

Is that a cartoon? Iran's cartoon propaganda again? No, but. So anyway, you start. I was talking about this local guy back home, and he said that he goes, I need to call Israel. He goes, it is so hard to get money for, like, to run as a. In whatever. It's just a local election. But you go to a business, they say, yeah, here, I got $18, I can contribute. Right? Where? So you see these big politicians, you see how much money they're getting? It's like, wait, what's this APAC thing? Why did they get millions? Oh, then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like, this is making a lot more sense. It's like, where's the money coming From.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, they're gonna. They have to take all that out of politics.

[Cam]

Oh, my God.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't know how you could at this point, but when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for, who gets put out into the public eye and in a great light, in a positive light, and then you realize that there's just all this money from corporations to get this person in, or from other foreign countries to get this person in, or from lobbyists to get this person in. And you're like, wait, why? That's not serving us? No, it's like, how do you stop that? When did. Okay, here's a big question. When did money officially become a problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question, but put that in perplexity and see what it says. The Citizens United thing was a big deal, but I think it was 2012. What thing is that? Citizens United. Citizens United. That was 2012. That changed it a lot. But it was always a problem. Before that, there was always been like, when did corporations become a real problem? When did AIPAC become a problem? When did APAC form? And when do they start donating to American politicians?

[Cam]

Yeah, it's.

[Bryce Mitchell]

First of all, I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to foreign government should have any influence whatsoever on American politics.

[Cam]

I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is to Israel.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That is crazy. I've heard people say that, too. 2022. 2022 did not directly start donating to US political candidates until 2022 to Jesus.

[Cam]

So I. If I. If I don't. I mean, if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take any money from Israel his first election, and now he just gave an award to somebody. You can see who. Who he just gave an award to.

[Bryce Mitchell]

We gave it a ward. What kind? One of them big ones, one of them nice ones. They put them around your neck and you stand there in the Oval Office.

[Cam]

Yep. Who contributed two?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like, he just won the Olympics.

[Cam]

Who contributed 250 million to his last Olympic collection? Oh, so do you want an award?

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's how much you got to pay for an award?

[Cam]

I don't.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't really want an award. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.

[Cam]

So to me, that. So you said, like, if 2022, I

[Bryce Mitchell]

would imagine APAC would have around.

[Cam]

I would have thought. I didn't know that, actually. But when I look at. Like, if you look at Thomas Massie, he got in the crosshairs of the President for whatever reason. Right. He got. They had a candidate they wanted him to lose to. And he did. He did lose.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. So here's the thing. We'll get to that in a second. Here's the thing. Citizens United decision is widely seen as having created serious problems in US Politics by vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency. And so this was what year? Jackson, Jamie, I say it was 2012.

[Cam]

Oh, okay.

[Bryce Mitchell]

2011. 2010. 20. 2010. So 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted. Yeah. Tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's when we got. Yeah, I think that's when it started treating corporations like a person and gave them rights in some way. That was Obama.

[Cam]

See that second bullet point? Supercharged PACs, which can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors to spend unlimited amounts. And so that's how they control the elections right there.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And that was the Obama administration.

[Cam]

Dark money.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Dark money from groups don't fully disclose. Donors have exploded. Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns. So we need to just fucking tune the way back machine to 2009. But even then, like 2009 is after they bailed out the fucking banks.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Fifteen years later, Citizens United defined the 2024 election. And yeah, there it is. We're. It's a slippery slope.

[Cam]

Yeah, that's so.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't.

[Cam]

That's like Ruth Ginsburg right there called it the worst ruling of her time on the court.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Whoa. Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disapproval of the ruling, with at least 22 states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it. Citizens United reshape political campaigns in profound ways, giving corporations and billionaire funds funded super PACs a central role in US elections and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics. And yet it may only be now, in the Aftermath of the 2024 election, we could begin to understand the full impact of the decision.

[Cam]

And it's perfect too, because Citizens United. So this is like the language they use to dupe us. Like, oh, Citizens United, we're together. This is good, right?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Just like the Patriot Act.

[Cam]

Yeah. Or. Or like in Oregon, that. The hunting thing. It's called the Peace Act.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, yeah, talk about that, because that one's bonkers.

[Cam]

Yeah. So this is nuts. So this is. Same thing. It's just follow the money. If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money. So the IP28. This is a crazy thing. They want to. Here's where. I'll just explain Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a Petri Dish for these crazy ideas, for these political ideas. Like if you think of legalizing recreational drug use, you know, we did that in Oregon. Like heroin, meth. You can have that. It's fine. It's whatever.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I think they turned that back. Right.

[Cam]

But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. It didn't work out so well.

[Cam]

Right now this is another crazy one, but they try it in Oregon because it's very. We've got a huge liberal population in Portland and Eugene and some of these in Salem.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But not just liberals.

[Cam]

Yeah, they're. They're more than. Just because I. I'm friends with liberals, for sure.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, they're gone. They're. They're at the far end of the political spectrum, on the left, for sure. They're full on communists.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Socialists. No meat. Everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody to get bitten by that tick.

[Cam]

Yeah. I mean, so much.

[Bryce Mitchell]

We should talk about that, too. We'll get to that in a minute. But so the law, the. The new thing, the bill they're trying to pass. Pass IP20 ban. First of all, was it. Was it the May. Who was it the governor of Washington? Which, which governor? Was it Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a license to paddle board?

[Cam]

Oh, probably Washington, I would say.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Can you imagine telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe?

[Cam]

Yeah, well, you have to pay the

[Bryce Mitchell]

state money to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe.

[Cam]

They also made it, like, during COVID Like, some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake. I think he got a ticket.

[Bryce Mitchell]

A guy got arrested when he was surfing by himself in California.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So when are you gonna get sick out there in the middle of the ocean surfing?

[Cam]

It's just silly. But this IP28, they bill it as, you know, so they'll do this thing, like, go out to get these votes. They needed 117,000 votes to get this on the planet ballot. So to. To get 117,000 people to sign your petition, basically all it said was, stop animal cruelty.

[Bryce Mitchell]

All you have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter

[Cam]

to say, hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

Okay. Yeah, I love animals. I love animals, too. Oh, he signed this. So they didn't tell you that it's making. You know, you can't fish, you can't hunt, you can't raise animals.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Animals like backyard chickens. You can't raise backyard chickens.

[Cam]

Ranchers, just like, even ranchers, you sell beef, you can't do it. They're making it like even the breeding of animals. Like we breed cows, we breed horses, there's stud fees, there's different things. It makes better race, like, like race horses. But there's also better product for, for beef. Right. So we control like, like when a cow goes in the heat or when it gets bred. Things like that. That's part of like being a rancher. Well, they want to make that like because a cow didn't agree to it, it's like rape, it's like sexual assault. Like you can't control when animals breed. So that takes away ranching. There is no ranching. Right. So they want to make it to where they're not going to make eating meat illegal. But if people can't raise it, you're buying it from some other state at a higher price to get it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're eliminating ranches in Oregon.

[Cam]

In Oregon, yeah. So it's killing a industry. And they could say that like even if you, if you hurt an animal, I don't know what, like you could get charged with assault. So this is, they want every animal treated like your family pet or dog. Oh, and the, but the thing is,

[Bryce Mitchell]

kill a chicken for food, you go to jail.

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah. I was wondering like if you, you know how you drive in a car and like sometimes a bird flies in front of you.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right. You know, you know, arrested for that.

[Cam]

Yeah, that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But you're responsible for your vehicle. You killed that squirrel.

[Cam]

So this guy who introduced this, this is the third attempt at doing this, he knows he's not going to get the vote because how it worked to get on the ballot. They take 6% of the votes cast in the last governor, governor election. So 6% of the last votes casted. So it's a small number, but it's 117,000. They can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty. Now it goes to the ballot. But he knows this is his third time, he knows this isn't going to pass. But it's like it just tells them what they need to work on, what language they need to change. It's all part of this long term process to get hunting and fishing stopped. Right. Because I think like in general the government, they like consumers, they don't like people being too self sufficient. They like him relying on that. This is another step, like if we can get rid of ranchers, hunting and fishing, don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff, then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you, Bill Gates owns all this land. You talked about Bill Gates before and him making decisions on. He doesn't know anything about. He dropped out of college, but. Did you say he dropped out of college or. Yeah. So it's, it's. They want to be able to control who's providing the food, who's making the money, what type of food it is. You know, it's like it goes back to the whole WEC things like you will own nothing and be happy. It's like that's. They want these smart cities working towards that to where, no, you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore. We got it right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And they can use these nutty progressive people as just useful idiots to push things through.

[Cam]

That's all it is. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then you get a bunch of people that are pushing money PACs that are pushing money towards these people to fund them, them to push these wacky ideas. You go, why would they do that? Well, that's why they do that. They do that because they want you dependent on them.

[Cam]

Right. And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight. And this thing won't, won't make it into law for sure, but they'll see where they're at. This will be like, okay, here's where we're at. Here's what we need to change on our messaging. Here's where the biggest pushback was, and they adjust. Where can we do that on the other side? It's like, I know there's, there's farming and ranches organizations, but like, it's, it's money. It's like, who's giving these people the money? It's usually coming from out of state and they have more money and they're more organized than people who are working. Because when you're a rancher, you're working all the time. You don't, you can't go get signatures and. Yeah, you got work to do. These, these environmental people that are just crazy, like extremists, they get paid for doing this. So it's like, that's how, that's their job. You know, a rancher has a, he has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't have time to go out and knock on doors.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's the really fucked up part is a lot of these people that are these protesters, these organizers, that is their job. And that's hard for people to really understand. And until you listen to people like Mike Ben ends where he breaks down how NGOs work and how they fund things and the fact that like most of these things are a scam, most non profits are a scam.

[Cam]

Definitely.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of non profit. Look, oh, my son works for a non profit. Oh, he must be a good guy. Yeah, he's like trying to help and maybe he is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy, but then you, you're corrupted by this system that you realize like, oh no, the nonprofit is essentially about supporting the nonprofit. And most of the money goes to the supporting of this organization. The overhead, the structure, all, all the infrastructure, all the people working there, they all get paid very well. And then a little piece goes to whatever the it is.

[Cam]

The people starting the nonprofit will be like, okay, first I'm going to need this much money.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Exactly.

[Cam]

Oh, you want to be my vp? I can count on you. You, I'm, you're going to make this much money. So that's what happens. And then whatever's left is like, that's their, you know, that they can't write off. That's what they contribute.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. What did I see this. Oh, this is another one that I saw about nonprofit hospitals. Do you know that nonprofit hospitals are the most profitable?

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. They can just hide that money they charge crazy amounts for.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Crazy is that like nonprofit are the most profitable.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So this whole idea, it's all just bullshit. This, most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really like the Bill Gates stuff.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

There's a great book called. Fuck, what is the name of the book? I read this book, Controller Garcs, and it's all about how a lot of these guys, they, they realize that they were having public image problems like particularly Bill Gates, like during the antitrust lawsuits with Microsoft.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Then he pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates foundation where it's all about philanthropy, but they're philanthropist. All the different philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable. Like he made $500 million allegedly off the COVID vaccine, off of his investments in this vaccine. It didn't even fucking work.

[Cam]

Well, yeah, I think Trump got paid. Paid with that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That too.

[Cam]

But it's like, yeah, it's, you know, the money thing. I don't know. The citizens, the regular citizens are the ones that pay the price for this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's, it's dark and so here it is. Put, you put your headset on real quick. Listen, this, this guy talk about. Congressman recently described some non profit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds.

[P. Davis Jones]

Persons say that nonprofit hospitals were like hedge funds with hospital beds. And I was like, I bet they are. What's going on here? Because in the United States, more than half of our hospitals are nonprofits. But the hospital world doesn't feel very nonprofit. Y and then I read this article by Scott Hodge in the Washington Post that talked about how they need to be taxed. And it turns out that the total revenues of nonprofit hospitals in America in 2023, so three years ago was $1.3 trillion. And it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money. In fact, three years ago, so this is probably a lot more now, nonprofit hospitals were making $45 billion worth of profit. And as I mentioned, we taxpayers give them a bunch of money. In fact, in 2021 we gave them $38 billion, $11.5 billion of it because they don't have to pay any taxes. And that was five years ago. So this is probably more like 60 billion now. And the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity. But there was a study that looked at almost 1500 nonprofit hospitals hospitals and found that 86% of them provided little or no charity. And that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance. It's either private health insurance or insurance from the government. Only 3% of people don't have health insurance. And it's not like the hospitals give them a deal. Turns out that the government was checking this out. Around 2009, the hospital spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squash washed. So now it's kind of the honor system. So I was like, where are those billions of dollars going that the non profit hospitals making profits? Turns out it goes to executives like these CEOs who are getting paid about 4 and a half million dollars a year. Meanwhile their nurses make about 70k 4 and a half million a year here, apparently management consultants getting billions of dollars from non profit hospitals. And here's a guy, Robert at a hospital in New York who paid himself $15.3 million a year. Nonprofit hospital hospital and there are really good non profit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve low income families and people in need like St. Jude or like the Shriners. But it looks like about 86% of these non profit hospitals get 50 or 60 billion dollars from U S taxpayers like you and me because they're supposed to do some form of charity, but they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity. And some of their CEOs are making $15.3 million a year while we subsidize them with like $50 billion. Do you think this is right? I saw this conversation.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Okay, so this is P. Davis Jones on Instagram.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So it's like, it's again, it's just like the UFO thing.

[Cam]

Yep.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's.

[Cam]

There's distractions.

[Bryce Mitchell]

There's so much to pay attention to. There's so much fraud and there's so much cat. This is what Elon told me when he started looking into the Doge stuff. He's like, it's impossible to describe the amount of fraud. Fraud?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He's like, it's insane. That's what Nick Shirley found in Minnesota when he went to investigate the daycares. And also found in California with hospice care centers. There's entire motels where every room was supposed to be an office for some non profit. And they're all just siphoning money. So it's madness.

[Cam]

So that's like, that's what it makes money. Regular people like me, like, what's the answer? It's like what's the point to all this?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Aliens.

[Cam]

Meanwhile. I mean land I'm paying out my ass in taxes for like this.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

And. Or for war. It's like.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. All of it's gross.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Every single. Yeah. I mean what we're gonna have to have is some side sort of like radical transparency where all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably with some AI program. And no one's going to want to turn that on.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They're never going to want everyone to know exactly how much fraud and how. How much terrible management they've done with our money. Oh, like the Pentagon's never passed an audit once.

[Cam]

No.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Not one.

[Cam]

No.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Zero. And you look at, you don't pass an audit, you're going to jail for sure. Yeah. You look at.

[Cam]

Yeah. How much we're in debt, all the shenanigans they do with the public money.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's just like that's over exaggerated. We're only in debt $39 trillion. That's not a big deal. Isn't that crazy? The thing is they could just print 39 trillion and it's done.

[Cam]

Yeah. Just pay it off.

[Bryce Mitchell]

The reason why they don't is because they have really good control.

[Cam]

God.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Doing a great job.

[Cam]

It's a one thing on this hunting thing, I do have to give credit to Dan Gates and Howell. It's like they've done a good job in Colorado, like fighting this, this has like been, we've won a few things there.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Have they tried the same thing with Oregon in Colorado? The same kind of thing?

[Cam]

Well, no, what Dan is doing, he's, he's got out there Initiative 302 and it's going to make hunting and fishing in Colorado a constitutional right. Okay. So hopefully that, you know how these just like this, this lobbyist and this IP28, they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kind of planning for the future. Well, if Dan is successful with this Initiative 302 passing, that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing. Because if we can go through there, this is like the litmus test for it, then, okay, maybe we can do this in other states also. So this is a big one coming up. They're working on right now. Now. But I mean we have to, we just have to get more savvy politically to when they're doing like this, we have to be more in tune, you know, and educated on it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

God, it's such a bummer though because like the people that I know, like Mike Benz that do this all day, I do not envy terrible. I mean Mike Benz makes these live streams where he's just exposing and they last for hours. Like who's going to go through them all? Well, and my notes here, exposing all these different companies. Nice.

[Cam]

Be positive.

[Bryce Mitchell]

We didn't do any of that.

[Cam]

How do, how do you, how do you talk about this? It's hard in a nice and positive way.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's very, very, very difficult. Very. Especially because these are real problems.

[Cam]

Last on my li. Well, I don't know what's up on the list, but. Oh, I do want to talk about this Pokemon. I want to shout out Ryan Callahan from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. You know, Ocal.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Sure, sure.

[Cam]

Great guy. Guy bust his ass for this Martin Heinrich, which is, he's a senator there in New Mexico. He's. I think he's a Democrat. I don't give a. About Democrat, Republican, whoever. He just fights Republicans and he's a badass. And then also Ron Wyden there in Oregon who normally I'd probably never agree with anything on because, you know, it's just different. But he is, he does get. I want, I want to give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against this public library plan sell off and Mike Lee and this energy resource Committee, which is, you know, they're beholden to a different set of values Usually it's money related. And these guys are kind of fighting for. For the guys like us who just enjoy being out in the mountains.

[Bryce Mitchell]

See there you're being positive.

[Cam]

Yeah. I just wanted to tell. Those guys are doing great. But I, I was going to bring this up. This is like the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which is. Feels like a lot for me, which I don't like. But I. My point on it is I feel like.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that. So you won the Oregon marathon in your age category.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC157, which is a banned substance. So you would take. For people that don't know, as ridiculous as it sounds, Cam broke his foot like two years ago. You broke your foot like two years ago and you never got it fixed. So all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken foot. And you went to ways to. Well, they treated your foot with stem cells and they injected BPC157 into your foot.

[Cam]

Help.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Help your foot heal. Is it healed now? Is the bone like fused up?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What did it do? It just grew back.

[Cam]

Yeah. Finally. It was like. It took a while because I didn't stop running. And you know, what does it look

[Bryce Mitchell]

like now on an X ray?

[Cam]

It's like kind of the. The bone is. It was a big break, like a pretty wide break, which is why the. The surgeon didn't know if it was going to be able to. The bone was gonna be able to make it across there. Cause I kept like moving it, moving it. And, and he told me, he's like, like, you know, with this. This is. I just had the same surgery done on my thumb where the, the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it. Right. So that your ligaments and tendons very strong. The bone fractures. So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race and. And basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone. So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from, because bone on bone healing is much better than ligament to bone. It's like quicker. Right. So we need a piece of that bone. Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece I broke off was. So there's a chance that it wouldn't reattach through surgery. So which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it. It's called a Jones fracture. It's on the outside of my foot and hope it connected. But that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where it's supposed by design.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So it probably changed the function of your foot.

[Cam]

It would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot and I run. I have a good stride, I run well. And he said, there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should or that, you know, you need another surgery if this doesn't work and then another one to get the hardware out. So I'm just like, I really don't want to do two or three surgeries. Let's see if we can try other treatments less invasive of if I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal? And it has. So I was like very interested in not getting the surgery based on, you know, he's a renowned surgeon. He does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's a stud. Trust, totally trust him. But I heard what he was saying about like, hey, there's no guarantee this is going to work perfect. And I took that to heart.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So when did you have the injury?

[P. Davis Jones]

How long ago?

[Cam]

It was June 16th of 2024.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Okay. Yeah, quite a long time ago.

[Cam]

Right?

[Bryce Mitchell]

So basically a solid two years.

[Cam]

Yeah. So I went in and I dealt with it for. I mean, it hurt for a long time. I just didn't want to stop living, you know, And I'm like, okay, if it's just pain, I have a very high pain tolerance. I don't care. I'm gonna block that out and just do what I do. So I did, I did, I did everything. I did all my hunts, I did races, and it was terrible. And. But I made it. I made it through. And my foot's healed, but so broke it in June, went into Waze 12, I think in July, went back in November, which is when I got that stem cell back in it. And when they put in the BPC there that one time in November. And so that was like, that was a thing. And all I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene marathon time. For me, I'm healthier than now that I've ever been. I've retired, I've done more specific training. All these people. You know, I've been labeled as like a doper. Right. Like almost like Lance Armstrong.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, you've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional runner who's also a vegan and has been very vocal about you in an anti hunting way. So he's got that. And you're also your time, your running Time. He's. Is he 18 years younger than you?

[Cam]

Yes.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And your running time is very similar to his.

[Cam]

His last marathon.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Yeah. And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won in your age class, is quicker than last year's by quite a bit.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What people don't understand is last year your foot was broken.

[Cam]

I didn't run last year cuz I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year before.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right. Was your foot broken then?

[Cam]

No.

[Bryce Mitchell]

No. Okay, so your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And that's amazing. It's. But how much quicker? Ten minutes it was.

[Cam]

My best time was in. My very best time was in 2006. Me and Lance Armstrong, we did the New York Marathon. I didn't even see him during this one, but I ran 2:50 like 21 in New York. I ran 250 quite a few times. Like Boston when I ran with Lance in 2008, I did run 250 again and that's when we finish together. And you know, True and I were talking about this too just the other day because True at my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than a 216. So we were talking about this and, and it's just my training and even his training because I'm not a coach and I don't know, I just run to get in shape for bow hunting. Okay. I don't, I'm not a priority pro, but. And I had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him either. So he hired a real coach. And when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it and why you do certain, certain exercises and why there's certain stimulus from. I mean I just had the winner of the Eugene Marathon on my podcast and we did a really fast run. We ran a 506 mile, which I had never done. I mile seven of an eight mile run. And then he said, okay, my. His name's Jack Siddell, he's like an amazing athlete, has 1400 followers, which is kind of crazy that this amazing talented people have a small amount of following but their talent is incredible. So he won it. I ran with him just the other day and he said, oh, I need to do eight 100 meter strides, which is simple essentially sprinting. After we ran super hard eight miles, climbed 3,000, a 3,000 or 2,000 foot mountain and did this fast pace. But he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do, which is qualify for the Olympics. Right? So the stimulus is what I've never done before. I've never got on the track and did it. All I ever did was just go run. I just run. It's what I do is like, how do I move this needle in the right direction in a positive way, way I got to put in work. How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after mile after mile. Some days 20 miles a day, because I felt like that was a noble sacrifice for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which was bow hunting related, not. Not racing related. Well, with Truett taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's. He's been doing the stimulus, hired a coach and like, hey, dad, you need to do this type of stuff. You know, you get on the trail track. You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but you do because you need the stimulus for your body. I had never done any of that. I had never got enough sleep. I would sleep, you know, if I was going to do a marathon a day and still be at work 10 hours a day, I'd have to get up at start at 2:45am and I did. And sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight. I didn't care about sleep. You'd have Dr. Matthew Walker on here. I'd say, that dork, I'm not listening to sleep. It's like, I don't need sleep. I can still perform. Look at, I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two hours of sleep. But I wasn't performing at my best because my. I had to overcome my body fatigue. So for decades, I would work, didn't miss a. A day of work in 26 years. Never called in sick once. Always get my miles in, always get my work done. I was leading the crews. People relied on me to be a good leader. I had to be there. I had still put in this work. I would not get any sleep. My body was so depleted. I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I could, given those circumstances, was a 250 marathon. All right, so I required three or, I mean, I retired three years ago. Now I'm getting sleep. Now I'm doing sauna cold punts. I get, you know, I spend, let's see, spend 2,000 bucks a month on massage and bodywork. And now with more specific training like Last year I ran with Truett. He ran 238 in Boston, 234 in Eugene. We went on a run right before that. He said, dad, I can't keep up with you. You should be going for the sub 230. He was trying to break 230. He goes, you should be going for the sub 230. You're, you're faster than me. So this was last year, but then I got hurt. So last year I was going to break, break this same record this year I've been healthy. I knew I was going to get my fastest time ever. I put up a, A post and I said PR or er. I'm either getting a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room, I'm sending it. So I said PR ER and I got a PR. I got 2, 3, 9, 11. One of the fastest ever for a 58 year old. And it's like that caused people to pay attention, which I get. It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost 60 years old. But you have to look at the, at the full picture and say like this wasn't some just guy who just started running. Been running. I've been running since I'm five years old. I'm 58. I was running, pushing myself at five, running further than any other kid in school, winning an awards. That was 53 years ago. Okay. I've been doing this while, while I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care. And so this guy said, oh, have you know, he's like mad that I was so fast. He's talked about Truitt and I'm trying to be nice and positive. So I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to. I understand people who want to protect clean sport. I applaud usada. I applaud wada. I applaud clean sports. I love it. It's, it's, it's required for the Olympic athletes, athletes to get their just due. For me, he, he said, you know, he's talked shit about Truitt, which he's already on my radar because I remember Truett said, hey, there's this elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon because I have no chance of getting the standard. And you know, I said who?

[Bryce Mitchell]

And he said why is that dishonoring the marathon?

[Cam]

Because he was saying like True was so far away from his time that it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal. My, my point was he's A runner, just like you. He has a big dream just like you had. Why on his dream, somebody says that, that this dream, they want to do it. You're running.

[Bryce Mitchell]

How would it be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition? That doesn't even make sense.

[Cam]

It. That was just words. It. The words are associated because he's my son. So that's all that amounted to. But he was on my radar for the that. Because True told me and I said who? And I hadn't. Didn't even really know who it was. Looked him up. I'm just like, yeah, whatever. So anyway, I knew the name. Well, he comes on my page after this and he says something like. He dug up this old post from like 2011, which is still up there. And it talked about the. I was taking from is like Complete Nutrition, which is like GNC. And it was, you know, if you go to GNC, like, you know, Mass Gainer 2000. Like, everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not steroids. You can't buy steroids over the counter. Everything that. On that thing that I was doing, I was sponsored by Complete Nutrition. All over the counter supplements. It's like, there's no EPO on here. It's like what these people try to make it sound like. It was just that I was lifting weights.

[Bryce Mitchell]

This is from 15 years ago, 2011.

[Cam]

It's a. It's a blog post. He still hasn't. Yeah, it's like, like I said, parading around like a trophy. It's like fucking over the counter. Whatever. So he said. I said, are you still talking about that? This is like late at night. I was kind of irritated. Didn't Guy irritates me. Anyway, so he said, could you pass a USADA drug test? And I said, I have no idea. Has nothing to do with me. I don't give a fuck. Probably not, though, because I. I didn't actually. I didn't even know, but. But I know it's very restrictive and I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show. We don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like. We just go running.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, what stuff would you take, had you taken that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test? Like the stuff you're taking now, like, what supplements can you not take? Because there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally that you can't take. Peptides are one of them, right?

[Cam]

Certain peptides.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Certain peptides.

[Cam]

I think you can take certain ones, but I don't even know because I just. I had never looked at the list. I tried to with this when this came up.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, there's. The other thing is a lot of people fail just by taking supplements because there's third party. There's contamination of supplements. That's what happened to sugar. Sean o' Malley Ostrine. It's happened to, you know, a lot of athletes with this.

[Cam]

Most of the stuff that you would buy, like a gnc, probably an Olympian, couldn't take, or they'd have to check it out, right? Because it's like how clean is a lab, how, you know, susceptible is to contamination. So a lot of them, like they're thinking about this shit every day, like it's their whole life. If they get, if they pop hot, their career's over.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So it's a huge deal.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I have Jordan Burroughs in here and he wouldn't even try Killcliff CBD drink, right? He's like, I don't think I could take this.

[Cam]

Well, I had Cheeto on my show and I said, hey, you want to try a ketone? He's like, I don't know. So he called Jeff Navinsky and he said, could I take this ketone iq? And Jeff said, well, depends on what batch is approved. So the batch of the ketone IQ that was made has to be approved. The other batch might not be approved. So you could fail from that other batch. I didn't know any of that shit. But he called him right, right before we did it. So he didn't take it. It's just like. So there's things like that where it's just, it's non stop. I don't know if I can take this, this that. I've never been in that position because I just run to bow hunt. I've never looked at these lists. I've never done anything. But a lot of stuff that, you know, Sudafed is on there. ADHD medicine is on there. You can't take. Or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption. So, so say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone and you wanted to do trt, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's very interesting. Through Dr. You can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate performance enhanced exam.

[Cam]

Theoretically, I don't know if they'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and if this was real.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, supposed to take a very specific amount like, this was the issue with the UFC. When the UFC had TUEs, when they had TRT VTOUR those, those days when guys were taking like large amounts of that. And that's actually what stopped the program is that people started testing like off the charts.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Testosterone. And they realized like, okay, these guys are straight up juicing.

[Cam]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So. But if you're a 60 year old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone throne, it's legal.

[Cam]

Yeah. Yeah. And it should be. It's like the TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways because we know these doctor patient relationships. You can say, hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right, of course. And that's, that's always going to be the case.

[Cam]

I'm not even, I'm not even talk. All I'm saying is like, for. And I talk to Olympians about this situation because I want to make sure I understand it right. And it's like if I'm as a regular citizen. So there's 9,000 runners in the Eugene Marathon. Are we all going to be held to the standard of Olympic athletes?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right. Are they testing everybody in the UG Marathon?

[Cam]

They didn't test anybody.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Anybody.

[Cam]

So there's prize money that's paid out. There's Olympic trials, qualifying standards which are met. So now you're in the Olympic trials and, and I don't want to on the Eugene Marathon because these small, smaller marathons, they don't have the money to be testing 9,000 people. Or probably these tests are expensive. So there, there's something to like, if it's a usatf, so United States of America Track and Field association, if it's one of those events and it's for like a world championship or it's for like a, a team position. I get it. And it does need to be for the Eugene Marathon with 9,000 people. It's not realistic to say we're going to drug test everybody or if you're taking whatever you need a therapeutic use exemption, because do you think USADA could review, say, if people are taking three or four different medications times 9,000, they don't have the resource to go through all those TUEs. Right. It's not realistic. So there should be, in my opinion, two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in, and you got your elites, which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements. And that's totally fair. And I get that. And it's kind of why I've waded into this and said I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that I took BPC157 to try to avoid surgery on my foot

[Bryce Mitchell]

and two years ago.

[Cam]

And whatever the fault out right, whatever the fallout is, is what it is. Because this needs to be discussed because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all this stuff just to be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is running or competing in races. And everybody like on the other side on, you know, say the clean sport side, which I am on that side too. Trust me, I want to. I want clean sport. But they're like saying that like my time was so fast, fast, it's almost into this. They talk about this age graded thing where like this guy who brought it up said age graded like. So what that I think is what that looks at is like in my prime, if I ran a 239 at age 58, what was my potential when I was in my prime, right? And it would is super fast. Like you know, like world like 210 or 212, which would have won the Olympics back when I was 25. You know what I mean? So I understand why my time, time, it's just like I'm almost too fast as a regular citizen to kind of like this gray area, like should he be tested or whatever. But all I'm saying, like if the rule is to test or if I know the rules, I'm down, dude, I'm all for it. That's why I've been so transparent about what I've taken and what I've done and what I was trying to avoid with the surgery.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But it's also another important point.

[Cam]

I'm not hiding anything.

[Bryce Mitchell]

There's an important point about, about the sign up thing for the Eugene marathon. If there's, if you're supposed to not take certain supplements, that's supposed to be stated in, in the marathon sign up, right?

[Cam]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And it's not.

[Cam]

Yeah. And I, and I don't. I've never. I hardly look at that. But there's now after all this, I looked at the waivers because, you know, USAD has been. They sent me two really nice emails, just lovely emails that I haven't responded to too. And they're trying to do the best they can. But if these waivers say I looked at the waiver for. I did two races this year, Eugene Marathon and Cocodona 250. And the waivers mention liability and insurance things. Doesn't mention anything about USATF or drug testing or any of These requirements. There's no mention of it.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But also. What. But the thing that doesn't make any sense is, first of all, BPC157 is not a performance enhancing substance.

[Cam]

Yeah, what?

[Bryce Mitchell]

It helps heal soft tissue injuries. It's very good for recovery from injuries. That's one issue. The other issue is it was two fucking years ago. There's no way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene marathon. That is no long out of your system.

[Cam]

It's a smoke screen. We've talked about smoke screens here.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But what he's doing, doing is basically he's accusing you because he took BBC 157 and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things.

[Cam]

I've been called a liar, a cheater, a doper, stealing.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's like, yeah, but it's all fine. But this is essentially what we were talking about earlier. Yeah, we were talking about earlier about people that are outliers, that are like super successful and they be that guy, that guy cheats, that guy, this, that guy, that same thing. Yeah, this guy can't appreciate that. Here's a guy who, who was running a fucking marathon a day while working an eight hour job. I was your friend then.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

This is real. I know you did this. I was always telling you to quit your job. Yeah, that was the first guy telling you quit that job. You're killing yourself. I was worried about you because I know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could actually fail. And willpower is really important. Important. Having a strong will will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to pass. They will not be able to break through. But will could also get killed, you know, and it could also ruin your life. You could hurt yourself to the point, you know, you hurt your back or something. To the point where you never recover, it never comes back. Like you have to. There's like a fine line between mental toughness and. And just being able to see the big picture and go, it's actually smart to not be tough here. And it's not to deny my toughness. I got to know that I am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself. That's why I was always worried about you, because you were doing things with no fucking sleep. And I saw it. I know you did it. I watched that guy's not doing this. And you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has or a guy like Goggins has, where they can do things where people go, no one could do do that. The. They can't. Like, how many UFC fighters have you seen go and train with Goggins? And they're like, Israel Adesanya, world champion, world class guy throwing up at a garbage can. Can't keep up with him. Tony Ferguson, like, who is known in the MMA world for superhuman endurance. Tony Ferguson would just walk people down. In his prime, he was El Kakui. He was the booty man because he never got tired. And even if you heard him, it didn't matter. He was to going to recover and come back after you. He's coming. He was coming for your soul. That guy was breaking down. Everybody breaks down. And it's. He's doing it in silence. No one even knows. He's doing it with no music. He's doing it by himself. No one's pushing him.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He's a full on psychopath. They are real. There's real people out there that are really living like that. This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it. But he's got these ideological differences with you. Because he's a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel. And you're an. And you're killing animals. And meanwhile, he needs to eat one of them. Bear sticks. Give me another one. I want another one. Awesome. They're great. But it's just. It's just what we're talking about. It's. If you and that guy actually had a conversation. Thank you. If you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was a. No cameras and it was just two human beings having a conversation, I guarantee you probably have way more in common than you do not. You know, outside of the ideological differences about hunting and veganism and maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails, because most of it entails large scale monocrop agriculture. If you're. If you're just buying plants, you are responsible for the death of a countless number of creatures.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Fact. End of story. Especially if you start talking about bees.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And avocados and almonds. Oh, I'm eating almonds. I'm healthy. You killed a hundred billion bees. All right, stop.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Outside of that, what are you both doing? You're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability. And maybe if that guy had a bear stick or two, had some real protein, he'd have a better time.

[Cam]

Well, that's true too.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right?

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I Need some real fucking protein.

[Cam]

I am friends with a lot of people just like him in belief and, like, on the political spectrum or even the diet spectrum. And it hasn't affected our friendship at all. Because what I focus on is, what do we have in common? We love the mountains, we love to run, we love to push ourselves. I don't need to align with everybody 100%. So. So I'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them. It's like, has nothing to do with anything. But for him, I was on the radar for a few different reasons. This gave him the reason why BPC157 is banned for Olympians, not for a regular person. Regular people can take it. So I'm just like. He's like, do you know what the rules are?

[Bryce Mitchell]

And.

[Cam]

And I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the rules. So then he turned that into like, he doesn't care about the rules. He's going to do everything, anything he wants. I'm like, no, I don't care about rules that don't apply to me. I'm just like, whatever. So the rules that apply to me is this rule. And it's like, if you want to talk about rules, I follow rules. Like, I talked about purchasing. You know, when I was the buyer at my old job for 20 years, years, I had to go by laws and rules every day. And so I respect that. If it has to do with me, if it affects me, I'm like, okay, I understand it. Well, this one, you start bringing up these USATF sanctions, and what I need to know, when I sign a waiver for a race and I look at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this. This says, if the USTF sanctioned event is, you know, if we're talking drug test testing, it says, related published materials must contain the following language. So when I see that it says that must contain the following language in my contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should or didn't say may, because should and may means it doesn't have to. When it says must, it must. So it says it must say, this athlete who participate in this competition may be subjected to formal drug testing in accordance with you, blah, blah, blah. So basically, it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is. Their rules, their own rules say it must be included. I've never seen this language. It was never included in anything that I've agreed to with these in regard to these races.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So there's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are, just the waiver. Even if they had a link like, okay, right. So if they said, if you are going to race, you must be held to the standards of this race.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You can go visit them on this website.

[Cam]

That's fine. I would be like, oh, that was my bad. I didn't do that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

They never mentioned it. So if somebody said, like, I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympians at all before this. I just thought that it was another. Maybe you could get a TUE for or. I didn't even know what TUE was, but Because I just. It's not my world. My world is bow hunting. I just try to get in as good shape as I can.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're not trying to do it for money. You're just doing it.

[Cam]

I've never won money. I've never been on a national team. If I wanted to be, if that was what I was going to do, I would know everything about the rules, everything about what I could take or what I couldn't take. I mean, you can't take thc, you know, I mean, they say you can take it, but not on the day of competition. So you know how long THC is in your system.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So you took it the day before, but you didn't. But you're still going to test hospital.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You can't run high.

[Cam]

Yeah, but. But as long as that lasts in your system, how are they going to prove if you took it that morning?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race, and they could determine whether or not you were actually intoxicated during the race. That's how Nick Diaz got. Got popped. Oh, really? Takanori Gomi, they said his levels were off the charts.

[Cam]

And that was. You saw that? Probably.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't believe it was. I believe that was. I think that was Pride, and I think it was the first time that Pride had an event in the United States. And they had it in Vegas, I believe. See if that's. That's right. It was a long time ago. I want to say. This is. God, I want to say, like, 2005. It was a big one when. When Nick beat Takanori Gomi. Takanori Gomi was one of the big stars over in Pride, and Nick, he got him with a Go Go Plato, which is a crazy submission off your back when you use the shin against the guy's neck and you're grabbing your foot from behind his head and God. Nasty. But they said he was off the charts. They said he was high as a kite when he was fighting, which I love. Yeah, but you, you're not allowed to do that. And I think for good reasons, I don't think you should be allowed. But look, the, the, the reality of these drug tests are, is that if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition, and they're a regular user, they're going to have a lot of THC in their system.

[Cam]

Right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They just are. And also, you could, you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race and you would still be intoxicated the day of the race. Race.

[Cam]

That's. That's.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So what year was this? Apparently the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at 175 was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. Dr. Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that. So it was Nevada. A result of 15 is considered positive, but Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of 50 test positive for THC. See, they feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in Nevada is truly positive. Mr. Diaz was 175. This creates a unique situation. I was there at the fight. I believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb to the pain. Did it help you win? I think it did. I, I don't, you know, listen, Diaz is going to be numb to the pain anyway. He's one of the toughest dudes that's ever lived. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if you can make that argument that it helped you win. I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it. He, you know, he probably could go out there high and fight more in his element, but he could fight in his element anyways. He was one of the best fighters on earth at the time. He's a world class fighter. The idea that that helped him win is like, yeah, prove it. Prove it. He was beating everybody anyway.

[Cam]

It's a stretch. It's like, I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing 9,000 people or having them, you know, like.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well, it's also be realistic about what you're saying, because what you're saying is if all you did was take that drug, it's not even a drug. Take that peptide in 2024 for a broken foot, there's no chance that helped you win a marathon two years later. It does not help, other than the fact that it helped to heal your Broken foot. That's not. Not performance enhancing. It's not. This guy's kind of a hater. Not even kind of. He's a hater.

[Cam]

It was.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Which I understand.

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I admitted that I took it and it's like at that. And actually that night, I remember I didn't even know when that was. I can't remember when I go. Went to wage. Well, I was like, I don't. I thought it was like six months ago. I couldn't even remember. So then I got a hold of him. I said, no, I need, you know, the details of my, my treatment. And, and it, you know, it was in November of 2024. And I'm like, okay. But anyway, that night I said, yeah, I've done stem cell. I've done TRT before and mentioned BPC157. And it's like, I didn't know when that was, but I just kind of. Because he was like coming at me. I'm just like, no, off. It's like, I do all this. I don't know whether it's approved or not. It does. Has nothing to do with me. I'm not an elite athlete. I'm bow hunter. So I was like, kind of wanted just let's on him at that time. Well, he got what he needed because admitting to taking BPC for like Olympian is a huge deal because it's banned just for them, not for me. And that then he could go to USADA and say, oh, this guy took a ban. And they're, you know, now they're like, it sucks. It's like they're in a position where, I don't know. It's just like so much. The public knows about it so much. It's like, you know, I got articles about me and talking about all this crazy and I'm just like, I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries. It's just like, I'm not trying to win a the my age category of marathon. And then they'll turn it into like, well, that's not fair to the other people who are. Are performing clean. I'm just like, it's not. We don't even know who. What people are taking of. Like, I'm not even in this field of this elite field where this is. All I did was admit I was truthful. Everybody else just lies.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, well, maybe, maybe lies. Maybe doesn't. But the, the, the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to Help heal injuries. And if you're going to run marathons, like, the way you run them with very fast time, you're probably training really hard. If you're training really hard, you're probably gonna get injured.

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

It's just. But it's a hater thing, is what it is. Or he's accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar, but. So this is the thing. He's. He's attacking your character. But it's also the fact that, you know, that quote that I love. All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. This guy's an elite athlete. No one knows what he is.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You know, that's part of the problem. And then when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times, like, that's like, how. How's that possible? He's 18 years older than me, this guy. No one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them.

[Cam]

No, no. And. Or, yeah. I mean, and. And I get that. I mean, I. I'm a human, too. I understand how that can happen. But like to call me like a doper, trying to discredit everything I've. I've done, it's just like. It's so not even real.

[Bryce Mitchell]

The approach to use is to just be honest, lay it all out, and leave it alone.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I don't think, like, going after this guy and talking a lot of is in any way beneficial.

[Cam]

I don't. I don't want. I want him. I want everyone to succeed. I don't have anything personal against this guy. I didn't. Like he was talking about Truitt. I didn't.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But even that, it's just. It's just hater aid.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He. He just sees Truett running with those perfect jeans on and looking all handsome. He's also a little too buff to be a marathon runner, which drives people nuts, too.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then he also won the world pull up challenge. Like, look, when someone breaks the world record and pull ups, that is a extraordinary human being, period. And for you to discredit that person in marathon running after they've done that, well, you're a fool.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Because this isn't just a regular person. Right. This is a person who broke the world record record for chin ups or pull ups.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's a crazy thing to do.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

To do thousands of pull ups in 24 hours, rip your hands to shreds.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's an extraordinary person for him to not recognize that he's being a. Yeah.

[Cam]

It.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Which Is fine. It's a natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And especially ones that are not getting their needs met in terms of the attention they feel they describe, deserve and who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter.

[Cam]

The traction he's got is because it's almost like if you say. You know how some people would say, oh, you're interested in border security, like, protecting the border. Racist.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right, Right.

[Cam]

Racist. You're a Nazi.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right. You're a cheater.

[Cam]

So to say that I'm a cheater or a doper, you don't have to say anything else, because then it's like, oh, that guy. So now I'm kind of tainted by. By with that language when the fact of the matter is, this is years ago. I don't take any. I mean, I take plenty, like, fish oil, magnesium, all this other trace gives me. But the, like, the level of doping I know about. I don't know. I don't even. I don't know ep. I know we've talked about this before, but I don't even know really what EPO does other than make, like, more red blood cells or something so there's more oxygen. But I'm so, like, illiterate on performance and, like, peds. I'm just like. I don't. I don't even take testosterone anymore because I run better low, which is weird. And I didn't know if this happened because they say when you run, like, long distances, extreme long distances, your testosterone drops. I almost think that's by design dying, because I look at, like, how these women have been performing at these huge races with low testosterone and higher estrogen. They perform better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe I don't need the trt. Maybe. And so I haven't. Like, I had. I had. I got a prescription filled, like, last September, and I still have four of the things out of 10. And anybody who's a doper, they don't got dope sitting around ground. Like, if you had. You know, if. I don't care if it's meth or testosterone, if you have it, you take it if you're a doper. Right. So I haven't done it because I'm. I operate better with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run,

[Bryce Mitchell]

but low body weight, too. That's a big factor.

[Cam]

Yeah, I'm like 148 is what I got down to. What are you right now, like, 52?

[Bryce Mitchell]

Wow. When I met you, you were in the 80s.

[Cam]

Yeah. I was just lifting. I just, I always ran, but I'd run like five miles a day.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Day.

[Cam]

And I wanted to be like. I thought like for hunting I needed more muscle to perform because I need to carry heavy loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for. For like 148. Still very strong compared to like a normal 148. So I. I'm still able to do the task I need to do, carry heavy loads when I kill.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You've optimized.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So well, this is the big factor is the weight. Because I'm pretty heavy.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And I. I notice the difference. You know, like, I've lost. I. When I hunted a few years back, I got down to the 190s early one like 192 or 193. And I felt way lighter.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Like you would think 10 pounds because. Right. I weighed 202 this morning. You would think 10 pounds is not that big of a deal. It's a big deal.

[Cam]

Yeah. It's a big.

[Bryce Mitchell]

When I work out and I put a 25 pound weight vest on. Yeah. It's amazing how much harder it is to do chin ups and push ups and dips. It's amazing.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And it's only £25. And you think about how many people just normally carry 25 extra pounds. You're walking around all day with a weight vest on. You know.

[Cam]

Well, and I've told truth this too. It's like he's heavier, but every guy lining up to run them the Olympic trials qualifier or like when they run the Olympic trials for the marathon, there won't be anybody over like 1:40.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So I said, which totally makes sense. You're fighting gravity.

[Cam]

Yeah. I mean, you got to be light.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So I said, you can't be 160 and compete.

[Bryce Mitchell]

What is he at now?

[Cam]

He's like 58.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And what is he trying to get down to?

[Cam]

He's got to be in the 40s. Got to be like 140 to be.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh, my God, he's going to look like Skeletor.

[Cam]

The guy, the guy who I just ran with who ran Eugene and set the course record and all that. He was 135. Probably like 6:1.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Whoa.

[Cam]

That's just the name of the game, right? You like the East African super light. The guy who just broke the world record in the marathon. He's like 135 or. No, no. 115.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Jeez.

[Cam]

Tiny little guy.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So it's like, makes sense.

[Cam]

That's just. That's just performance.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

That's just what it takes. A huge engine, a light body.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Right.

[Cam]

And so, like, to. To paint me this way when I was turning. Avoided surgery. Haven't taken BPC since then. It's just. It's kind of just.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I think all you could do is state your case, and I think you just did, and you just did it really well. And I know you, and I can speak for you. You are as honest a human being as I've ever met in my life. You don't lie about anything. And you are. And it's also why you work so hard. You work so hard so you don't have to lie. I mean, you're. You're an insanely hard worker.

[Cam]

I didn't. I didn't lie about this either. I mean, what I just said. Yeah, I did. I didn't remember when, but looked it up. Here's when it was. Whatever.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You know, this guy's got to get over it. Maybe you should have a conversation with him on Keep Hammer and Collective.

[Cam]

Yeah, I mean, I don't. I would talk to anybody. I don't. You know, I talk to people who feel differently than me all the time.

[Bryce Mitchell]

People. There's a. There's also a problem where people don't know someone and they don't communicate with them. And so you kind of form a narrative, and then you fight that. Narrative. Narrative. You know, you attack that narrative. You attack a creation of who the person is rather than the actual person. And people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon. Yeah, they like to turn someone to an. Not even a person. That's how people have to do that.

[Cam]

With war.

[Bryce Mitchell]

They love to do that.

[Cam]

With religion, it's easy to garner support with keywords. Using keywords that nobody could defend would be like, okay, we got that. That'll work right there. And so that's. That's where, you know, the Nazi or the doper, the racist. That's why those words are always out there.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yep.

[Cam]

It's like. Because they're powerful.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Exactly. That's. Exactly.

[Cam]

And when. And when you. You know, when you get boxed in a corner, you can use those words, and it buys you some time.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, there's that. And there's also, you know, there's a lot of people that don't have good personal insight. They don't understand what they're doing, really. They think they're justified in what they're doing, really. It's just a bunch of Bitchy bullshit.

[Cam]

One thing that I. I did, I think part of this, I. I don't want to be demonized about, like, with the peptides, because it shouldn't be demonized. But one thing I think a lot of people, because I. As you said, a lot of people are taking these peptides. A lot of people are doing the TRT stuff. I think that there was a big shift when Covid happened as far as distrust in the. The health. I mean, basically our health and wellness category, like, it started maybe with Obamacare. People are having trouble getting into their doctor. Doctors quit because it's too frustrating. So people, we've had a hard time getting medical treatment, like, to be healthy. And then Covid happened, and then they were shoving down, you know, the vaccine down our throats, and turned out like it wasn't as safe and effective as they said. So I think people, like, they see that the writing was on the wall. They couldn't get into their doctor. The doctor was, like, just writing prescriptions. So then the wellness clinics popped up, right? And it feels like it was after Covid for now. Like, you got a ways to. Well, and there's other places like it where you can go in and they care about how you feel. They want you to. They want to help you feel better. Like, live like an optimized life. Like, you're old, but you don't have to feel old. And so they're like, they can do the blood panel, where getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while. It's like, no, we don't need to do that.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That.

[Cam]

But you go to a wellness clinic, they'll do it, and they'll tell you, yeah, you're deficient here. This, this, or that. We could add this. We could try this. And then also you start to feel better and you're like, well, these people care about my health. The doctor, what did he care about? Writing prescriptions?

[Bryce Mitchell]

And then, yeah, the doctors have. They're playing a totally different game, as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched, right?

[Cam]

So it's no wonder that waist wells and like, these other treatments may maybe bypassing surgery. And let's try this peptide. I see that it's kind of evolving and it's changing. And the sport of ultra needs to also. And running needs to be on board with that, because most of your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians. They're regular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy. And that's me.

[Bryce Mitchell]

While they're working a full time job. Most of them. Yeah. Well, I think you laid your case out and I gotta pee. So let's wrap this bad boy up and bring it home. Congratulations on your bear hunt. You got two giant monsters.

[Cam]

Oh yeah. We got John and Jen.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Shout out to John and Jen Rivet. Yeah, I'm gonna try to come next year, I swear.

[Cam]

Love those guys.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Love those guys. I love that place they have up there too. It's crazy. And for people who don't know those, these, these bear have no natural predators other than grizzlies. They have to be controlled. They are devastating the moose and deer, deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves. They, they, they're ruthless predators. Opportunistic hunters. They eat each other.

[Cam]

Just to put that in perspective, in Alaska they're flying out of helicopters shooting bear.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Because there's so many of them.

[Cam]

Not enough for getting killed. So they wipe out all the ungulates.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Cam]

So it's like it's an issue. You just don't know about it. You people don't know that Alaska is flying in helicopters leaving bear after they kill. Killing.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I know. And everybody thinks of bears as Yogi, Yogi and Boo Boo and you know, come for a trip. Take a trip to Alberta. I'll show you some real.

[Cam]

Yeah, yeah. No it's.

[Bryce Mitchell]

I remember when, you know, I've told the story, you know, Jen and I ran into a grizzly once when we're out there, just briefly. We only saw it briefly. We're like let's get the out of here.

[Cam]

Yeah. They, they don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies.

[Bryce Mitchell]

So that's like, it's crazy.

[Cam]

That's quite a ways from where we hunt now.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Just because isn't that crazy?

[Cam]

A grizzly starts coming in the bait.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, that's a problem. You gotta get out of there especially

[Cam]

I like to sit on the ground.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And they need to start hunting them up there too.

[Cam]

They do.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And you know this is the. When they changed that law in B.C. they made it a disaster up there. There's so many grizzly now.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

And it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any encounters with them. And it's ballot box biology. It's people that they're trying to be good people. Do you want to outlaw trophy hunting? Yeah. These cruelty. They just want to shoot this animal for its skin.

[Cam]

Yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Them, they just want to show what a big man they are by Killing

[Cam]

an animal like that guy calls me a trophy hunter. Like he's like, he's like oh I understand deer and elk hunting but not bear. It's just like.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Well you don't know what you're talking about.

[Cam]

Did you just eat. How is that bear? We just delicious. How's that any different than deer and elk?

[Bryce Mitchell]

My daughter went to school one day and they were asking what your favorite food was and she said bear candy. Because Steve Rinella taught me a recipe called bear candy. How to make this like it's like a. You make it with brown sugar and you cook this bear and it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal. But with bear. It was fucking delicious. And I served it for my kids and my daughter. I think she was just trying to like jostle people up a little bit. I ate bear.

[Cam]

Well, Jen makes some badass bear stir fry.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Oh it's fantastic.

[Cam]

I mean I was.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Her bear meat is fantastic.

[Cam]

I was just thinking to myself Mountain Ops has those new freeze dried meals. Maybe I need to.

[Bryce Mitchell]

To get some right dehydrated.

[Cam]

Get some bare meat in there.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cam]

Those things are good own food.

[Bryce Mitchell]

He. He does it all in a dehydrator. Then it rehydrates it. In camp he vacuum seals his own stuff.

[Cam]

Some of those meals dude.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. What's the best way to do it too? If you want to eat clean. If you want to eat clean in the mountains.

[Cam]

Oh yeah.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Get a dehydrator for that energy.

[Cam]

Because just like in ultras and performing what you're using for calories matters. 100 so especially on a long hunt if you. You can like we had. I had some Mountain Ops freeze dried in there like Chicken Alfredo. That's just good.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Good calories 100%. And also electrolytes. Boy I. It changed for me when I started using element. When I started throwing element my water when I was out there. Giant difference. Get those electrolytes.

[Cam]

That's the first thing I drink in the morning is an element. Because I know I'm cuz I run every day. I know. I think I've been also like low on sodium for a long time just because of how much I run for sure. Like I run so much. Like I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat and wet clothes sitting on my skin makes all these sores from running for hours in a wet shirt.

[Bryce Mitchell]

That's crazy. I know guys wear their nipples out. They have to put.

[Cam]

Yeah that hap. I wear bandaids. I wear like a bright bra Sort of. Well, it's like a little running pack, but it holds my shirt right there on my tits. But this here bounces, and it's like just being wet.

[Bryce Mitchell]

But that's crazy. It makes sores on your skin just from a T shirt.

[Cam]

It does just from being wet.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You should start running in silk just from being warm.

[Cam]

But I think that I was sweating so much that when I do that element first thing in the morning, it sets me up for the whole day to be able to perform at a higher level.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Even just some sea salt in your water, like you need. You need minerals. Everybody does need electrolytes. Let's wrap it up.

[Cam]

Yep. All right.

[Bryce Mitchell]

My brother. I love you to death.

[Cam]

Love you, too.

[Bryce Mitchell]

You're awesome. Glad you had an opportunity to come on here. And this is all very important stuff to talk about. And one more time, that number for everybody. I want to call that number.

[Cam]

I know. Call your. Call your centers. 202-234-3121. Say roadless rule needs to keep. Stay in tact. Mike Lee can suck a big fat one. America.

[Bryce Mitchell]

Yeah. Bye, everybody.