#2520 - Tommy Lee

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2520 – Tommy Lee (June 30, 2026)

Guest: Tommy Lee

Host: Joe Rogan

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant episode, legendary Mötley Crüe drummer Tommy Lee joins Joe Rogan for an energetic, free-ranging conversation that explores Tommy’s wild rock star life, the generational evolution of music, the search for peace and creativity, and, naturally, shared passions for cars and drumming. The tone is deeply conversational, humorous, and reflective, as Tommy shares stories from four decades at the epicenter of music chaos and personal reinvention.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Family, Fatherhood, and Generational Change

• Tommy talks movingly about his son’s upcoming wedding and contrasts his son's steady relationship with his own headline-making past.
  • “I’m so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. ... I tell him all the time, like, so happy for you, dude. Like, you ... used some patience and some love and, like, mix it all around and put some time in there. And, you know, shit’s like, your survival rate is gonna be way better.” (01:14)
• Joe reflects on how being the kid of a rock star might make one crave normalcy.
  • “If you’re a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you’ve had such a fucking crazy, chaotic life, he’s probably like, slow down. Give me a fucking yard and a picket fence.” (02:25)

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2. Surviving and Enduring the Rock Star Lifestyle

• Drugs, reputation, and learning from experience
  • Joe and Tommy discuss the dangers and temptations of L.A. and the music scene, and how easy it is to fall into addiction.
  • “If you have any sort of... that sort of shit magnet attached to you... all of a sudden you’re just fucking—oh.” (03:36)
• Looking back on decades in rock:
  • Tommy reflects on how surreal his career feels, how much can be a blur, and the distinct lack of older role models or mentors when he rose to fame.
  • “I pinch myself still daily, literally. ... A lot of it’s a blur where you have to have somebody else remind you, like, ‘Oh, that’s right. I totally forgot we did that.’” (05:56)

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3. Rock Stars Aging: Endurance and Reinvention

• The enduring energy of legends:
  • Joe marvels at how aging icons like the Rolling Stones and Rick Springfield keep performing at a high level.
    • “Mick [Jagger] is, like, 80, bro. Mick is moving around and dancing and singing.” (07:33)
    • “Rick Springfield is—he’s 76 years old. ... And he’s singing ‘Jessie’s Girl’ like he just wrote it.” (13:55)
• Tommy is inspired by seeing this passion maintained:
  • “That’s going to be me still in 10 years... Rocking. Shit.” (15:48)

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4. Music’s Evolution, Oversaturation, and Authenticity

• Discussion of the modern music landscape—streaming, too much content, short attention spans, and the struggle for authentic work to break through.
  • “There is too fucking much... Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day.” (17:36)
  • “If I can’t keep up, how can a fan of music keep up?” (17:44)
  • “The authentic still fucking holds water.” (18:29)
• Short attention spans:
  • “If my shit isn’t banging within the first... three or four seconds, you’re next. Next.” (21:19)

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5. Creative Control Vs. The Music Industry Machine

• Artists vs. business execs:
  • Joe and Tommy roast industry people who've derailed careers with money-based advice over artistry (e.g., Billy Squire’s infamous video).
  • “All they give a fuck about is money...and you’re in the creative side of it, and the money people are just pimping out the creative side...” (24:26)
  • “We allowed [the label] once [in the studio], and he came in and started... suggesting edits and stuff. We’re like, out. Out. Yeah, you’ll get it when it’s done.” (25:01)
• Billy Squire Video Story:
  • Joe details how one misguided, effeminate video tanked the career of a rock star who had everything going for him.
    • “One music video tanked him.” (28:53)
    • “To this day I don’t know if that was his idea or somebody else’s idea.” (28:10)

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6. The Power of Music – Emotion & Frequency

• How music moves people physically and emotionally
  • Joe and Tommy rhapsodize about how the right song can act like a drug, with “Kickstart My Heart” cited as a prime example.
  • “That song is fuel. If you were running in a race and you’re thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones, you’re like, let’s go…” (33:23)
  • “That’s wild—the power that music has. ... I get goosebumps, bro. If something comes along that just—and it gets inside you.” (34:00)
• Frequency and Healing:
  • Tommy brings up research and conspiracy theories about tuning and healing through sound.
    • “Some dude in China... is close to healing fucking cancer through sound, through frequency.” (36:07)
    • “There is those frequencies out there that you know about them—432… Hertz. Heard about that stuff?” (36:11)
  • Joe agrees there's a profound effect:
    • “Sound has a profound effect on the human body.” (40:49)

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7. Bonsai: Peace, Passion, and Mindfulness

• Tommy’s passion for bonsai and Japanese gardens
  • He found peace and creative renewal in bonsai after experiencing Japanese gardens on tour—a key counterpoint to the chaotic world of rock.
    • “Hands down the coolest fucking thing I’ve ever, ever gotten into, man. ... It lets me escape everything for a couple of hours.” (43:28)
    • “It really has a lot to do with ... the culture of all of it. ... The number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down.” (47:47)
• Jamie and Joe are both fascinated by the peace of nature and the importance of public parks as city sanctuaries.
  • “Nature is very therapeutic. ... If you can put nature in an artistic form like a Zen garden, it’s very therapeutic.” (51:23)

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8. Smoking, Vices, and Rock & Roll Recovery

• Candid talk about Tommy’s relationship to nicotine, quitting, and why he went back:
  • “I think I was just trying to quit everything ... just hit the reset button on everything.” (61:14)
• Joe stresses how cultural vices (like cigarettes and coffee) persist in creative and recovery circles.
• Discussion about longevity, health stats, and conflicting advice—a mix of humor and fact-checking.
  • [Conversation about links between olive oil-rich diets, smoking, and disease risk at 64:19–65:15]

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9. Drumming as Athletic Performance & Creativity

• Insane physicality of drumming and Tommy's showmanship:
  • “My latest one [drum rig]... thing went from the front all the way to the back of the arena or stadium... It starts twirling as it’s going down...” (100:25)
  • “13.3 miles—That’s why I’m just skinny... I just sweat it out.” (103:47)
• Drumming’s evolution, tribal energy, and the unique responsibility of the drummer:
  • “Everybody’s kind of—you know, people say you’re only as good, your band’s only as good as your drummer. And that’s really—it’s really true.” (105:20)

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10. Cars, Muscle, and Status

• Rockers and cars—nostalgia and the thrill of horsepower:
  • First big purchase? “My fucking dream car. ... 82 Corvette T Top... Champagne colored.” (120:06)
  • Long, detailed section on Ferraris, Cobras, Lamborghinis, the status of muscle cars then and now, and the sadness of boring electric supercars.
    • “It's America.” (127:01)
• Best quotes on cars:
  • “There’s nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Like, those are two things that are like completely connected forever.” (124:25)

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11. On the Creative Process and Lasting Passion

• Staying creative after 46 years in the business:
  • “It’s always different. ... It’ll be something that happened to me... spark a word or a chant... Sometimes I come with a beat. ... There’s not really a format. I just... go with whatever’s inspiring me.” (111:32)
• Still finding joy on stage:
  • “You see your fans. All of a sudden, your fans have had children. Now their children are on the shoulders of their parents ... You sort of, you know, you’ve done a full circle to where now it’s the whole another generation that’s just now seeing this for the first time... and you’re sitting back there playing going, like, that’s pretty incredible.” (148:55–151:19)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Tommy’s son’s steady life:
  • “I’m so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad.” – Tommy (01:22)
• On the chaos of L.A. for young people:
  • “It’s so easy to ruin your life if you’re in the wrong circles, dude. So easy.” – Joe (02:52)
• On rock star longevity:
  • “This is not a guy who’s just going out there and going through the mot. He’s singing that song. He just wrote it.” – Joe (15:13, about Rick Springfield at 76)
• On music as a high:
  • “That song’s a drug.” – Joe (32:37; on “Kickstart My Heart”)
  • “Goosebumps, bro ... it's taking over my whole body. I’m fucking tingling.” – Tommy (34:00)
• On authenticity and oversaturated media:
  • “There’s too much static now...Still, the authentic fucking holds water.” – Tommy (18:25)
• On the difference between rockers and industry people:
  • “Their advice is based on making money.” – Tommy (25:01)
• On the serene power of bonsai:
  • “I started just like, being with nature and being with the trees that I’m working on... it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours.” – Tommy (43:28)
• On generational fans:
  • “You see your fans … now their children are on the shoulders of their parents... you sort of, you know, you’ve done a full circle.” – Tommy (150:13)
• On the universe’s movement since 1980:
  • “Just think about that. Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene.” – Joe (118:31)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:55 – Tommy talks about his son’s wedding and generational changes.
• 04:41 – Reflections on the insanity and uniqueness of the rock star experience.
• 05:56 – Tommy on memory, blur, and not having mentors in rock.
• 10:46 – Epic Rolling Stones story: partying with Mick, Keith, and Ronnie before they take the stage.
• 13:42 – Rick Springfield at 76; inspiring passion persists.
• 17:36 – “There’s too much music;” oversaturation in the digital age.
• 24:26 – Why the music industry often gives "shitty advice."
• 28:53 – Billy Squire’s infamous video and career-destroying decisions.
• 33:23 – “Kickstart My Heart,” and songs as emotional fuel.
• 41:47 – Bonsai as a spiritual antidote to the rock & roll lifestyle.
• 55:06 – Central Park and the importance of city green spaces.
• 61:14 – On quitting cigarettes and vices that linger.
• 103:47 – Insane mileage/physical toll of drumming on tour.
• 111:32 – Tommy’s creative process: always changing, always evolving.
• 120:06 – First big rock star purchase: 1982 Corvette.
• 137:16 – Driving, racing school, and the technical side of car passion.
• 148:55 – The joy of multi-generational fans in the audience.
• 151:20 – Reflections on the meaning and fulfillment of his lifelong musical journey.

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Overall Vibe & Final Thoughts

The episode is a lively, personal look at the intersection of wild rock star living and the meaning found in roots, routine, and artistry. Tommy Lee exudes deep gratitude and joy for having survived the chaos and found new avenues for creativity and peace, while still thriving on the rush of music and connection. The conversation, packed with stories, laughs, and tangents, captures both the electric energy of rock and the enduring search for something real.

For anyone craving stories from the front row of rock history, hard-won insight into finding balance, and a reminder that passion can endure—even intensify—across generations, this episode delivers.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Train my day.

[A]

Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Thanks for the heads up so I'm not tripping later on. Hey, dude.

[B]

Good to see you, man.

[A]

Yeah, good to see you too.

[B]

What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth? Is that what's going on?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nice. Yeah, nice.

[A]

That's fun.

[B]

My friend Cam just got a gold tooth and I was giving them a hard time, but then I was like, damn, I think I want one.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you gotta get one, dude.

[B]

I'm thinking again, a gold tooth. I have a cap on one of my. I had a root canal. I've got a cap out of one of them. I think I'm gonna swap it out for a gold tooth.

[A]

Do it. Do it. Yeah, I got one back here somewhere. It's just that little, like, I don't know, that little pirate thing starts to happen.

[B]

I know. It's just a little. Little outcasty.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So what's cracking, brother? How you doing?

[A]

I'm. I'm good, man. I'm. I'm stoked to be here. See you.

[B]

Stoked to have you here.

[A]

Yeah, man, I. I wish I was staying longer now, but we'll make the best of.

[B]

How long you staying? How long are you in town for?

[A]

I'm leaving after.

[B]

Right after this.

[A]

After you. Yeah.

[B]

Where you headed?

[A]

Back home. Louisiana. My son is getting married.

[B]

Oh, congratulations.

[A]

Thanks. Thanks. Which is such a trip, dude, you know, like, he's 29 and he's getting married, and I'm just. I've been kind of tripping out on that, like, dude, where the. Did that time a go, right? And, like, I'm so happy for him that he's been seeing this girl for seven years. I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, Right, right.

[A]

He knows. And they're. They've been. Basically. They've been married. You know, they're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for him. Like, I'm. I tell him all the time, like, so happy for you, dude. Like, you, you know, you use some patience and some love and, like, mix it all around and put some time in there. And, you know, shit's like, your. Your survival rate is gonna be way better. Way better. And that makes me really happy.

[B]

And your happiness rate. I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you've had such a fucking crazy, chaotic life, he's probably like, slow down. Give me a fucking yard and a picket fence and. Whoa.

[A]

Totally, totally. That's why, like, in. You know, in. You know, in the drift of everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really surprised, and I'm really happy. He just, like, pumped the brakes.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

Like, make sure that what he's doing is the real shit.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, especially in L. A with a rock star dad, it's like, there's so many bad influences. There's so many ways you could go where you could just ruin your fucking life. It's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles, dude. So easy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because everybody else is doing it, too. You're like, hey, I guess we're doing meth. Just, I. I mean, I know people that are good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole, and they're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason, and then next thing you know, they're all strung out. And, like, LA is the hub of that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's so much of that going on in la.

[A]

Yeah. And if you are. Have any sort of. That sort of shit magnet attached to you, like, you know, the shady friends and the circles, you just kind of. And all of a sudden you're just fucking. Oh.

[B]

I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to, like, crazy people. Like, that world. That is the world where, if you're a fucking kook, like, you gravitate towards that world, you know, it's probably so hard to find, like, sane balance that are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They have their shit together. It's like. It's almost impossible. So, like, you're just comparing yourself to the other chaotic people you're around, and you're the fucking drummer in Motley Crue. I mean, how are you supposed to be normal? What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time. You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally, a sea of human beings singing along to your music.

[A]

That's.

[B]

Nobody can understand that.

[A]

I know, man. Yeah, they've. And, yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. Like, I put them to work out on tour, you know, just so, you know, we could hang out and spend time. They're like, you know, get him a radio. All of a sudden, they're part. One of my sons is part of the lighting crew, helping those guys. My other son is like, all she's worth. All she wants to know about is like, dude, dad, I want to be in charge of all the after show passes. I'll go out while you're playing and I'm going to hit all the chicks. And, like, my son is out there. Just stack of passes. Come on back afterwards. Come on back. Then watching him, like, have just running it right, it just, like, brings a tear to my eye, man.

[B]

Oh, that's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, like, how much of a dream does it feel? I mean, it's got to feel very bizarre that you. You know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and then you're looking back on it, like, how surreal does it all feel?

[A]

It's. Dude, I pinch myself still daily, literally. And I'm. I'm just fucking. I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here. I'm lucky I get to do this. I always say to people, like, there's a. There's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing. There's some luck, some talent, timing of things. When those things kind of all line up and it happens for you, and it just happens at supersonic speeds where, like, a lot of it's a blur. Like, a ton of it's a blur where you have to have somebody else, like, remind you, like, oh, that's right. I totally forgot we did that. You know, like, about crazy times.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's a trip, dude. I. I spend a lot of time, like, hanging on. Right, Here we go.

[B]

Did you get a chance, like, when you're coming up to talk to any other rock stars, does anybody give you advice on how to handle things? Like, what, It's. How weird it's going to be?

[A]

No, I'm trying to think of any sort of a mentor kind of dude on, like, how to survive the, like. No.

[B]

Pull Keith Richards aside and say, hey, man, how about a few tips? How'd you do this? He's still here, bro. I saw them at Coda at the Circuit of the Americas a couple years back. They were incredible, man. Incredible.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

They're like, what is. How old is Keith, dude? Are they, like, 80?

[A]

He's got to be.

[B]

Mick is, like, 80, bro. Mick is moving around and dancing and singing.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

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[A]

And let me tell you a fun, quick little story here. Motley Crue gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween. I forget what year. Or some stadium. And I think it was Toronto. We got to open for them. And we were so pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me? We get to do this? Anyway, we play. We play our show back in the. In dressing room after we're done, the Stones tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, Tommy, I was like, yeah. He goes, mick and Brony, Keith would like to see you. And I was like, brad, I head over there and, dude, this is 20 minutes before they're to go on. I go into their. Their world and they got. They bring a bartender around with them. So there's a guy set up, just slinging drinks. Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie, dude, they were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty.

[B]

Like, hey, fucking right. Just falling over with their guitars 20 minutes before they go on stage.

[A]

I'm like, how are these guys gonna. There's no way they're playing. I'm sorry. There's no way. No way. And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos and it was like, let's go to the stage. And I'm like, oh, I gotta see this. I'm walking with them, right? They get up there, lights go out, boom. They. I think they started with start me up. And it was like a switch flipped. All of a sudden. Those guys were money, like, 100% rocking out. I was like, how did they just go? They've been doing it for so long that they just. They're masters of the controls. They're like, yeah, okay. I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go, like, it's okay.

[B]

I think some guys just.

[A]

That was a crazy level.

[B]

Like, I wish I saw that.

[A]

You could barely talk. And then they went up there and fucking ripped it.

[B]

I wish I saw that. Some guys just want to be fucked up. To just feel the experience, just to just ride it like a wild bull, you know, just wherever you land, that's where some guys like to do it. I mean. And rock, I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down, where a lot of guys like to get up, you know. You want to see something fucking inspirational? I'm going to show you something crazy always. This is. Have you seen Jamie? Have you seen Rick Springfield lately?

[A]

I did just see him and I was like, whoa, dude, I'm going to

[B]

send you a video and it's going to blow you away. This is literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield is. He's 76 years old. Okay, 76.

[A]

76.

[B]

76. And he's singing Jesse's Girl. Like he just wrote it and he's. Yeah. Play started for the. Put the headphones on, bro. Put the headphones on. And back this up from the beginning.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Well, I just sent it to you on Instagram.

[A]

He's ripped.

[B]

I just can't get the. Click on the other link then the one that I send you on Instagram because you can't. First of all, he looks incredible. Like he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't even understand it. He looks like a 30 year old guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's singing the song like he just wrote it, Bro. 76. Hella.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Dude, that's crazy.

[A]

Amazing, man.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

That. That's inspirational inspiration, bro.

[B]

76 years old. And the passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's like just going out there and going through the mot. He's singing that song. He just wrote it.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

Fuck yeah. Rick Springfield.

[A]

Yeah. Good job, bro.

[B]

Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, I've been sending that to everybody. I'm like, fuck, yeah.

[A]

That is. I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa.

[B]

A lot of people in their 76 are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on. Fucking crushing life.

[A]

I love it. I love it. That's going to. That's going to be me still 10 years.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Rocking. Shit.

[B]

Well, I remember in the 80s there were no old rock stars. Like no one was out there touring that was an old rock star.

[A]

You're right. You're right.

[B]

And the Stones released a new album. I think it was like 88 or 80, 89. And everybody's like, wow, they're gonna tour again. It was almost like, aren't they done with this? Like they're older now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while and now it's not. And people like, why are we retiring? Like, why? Why would I stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do?

[A]

Yeah. That you love to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, let me stop doing that.

[B]

It was like a thing with hip art, hip hop artists Too. They would get to an older age and people just didn't appreciate them anymore. It's like, it was like a young guy's game. But now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too. And people realize, like, oh, these guys are fucking dope. Like, I saw Run DMC went on. Or, excuse me, Public Enemy went on with. I think it was. I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, yeah, look at these dudes.

[A]

They're killing it.

[B]

They're still getting after it.

[A]

That's the best, man. You gotta love that. And I think that research, I don't know if you call it a resurgence or just that that style of. Like, there are certain things that were. That were really great that have, you know, stood the test of time. And I think. And I really think that the way shit is now, man, there is too fucking much. Like, there's too much music. Like Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Who the fuck is listening to all this music? Dude, I'm in the business. And if I can't keep up, how can a fan of music keep up? So I just. I think that the, The. The excess of. It's just static and it's really blown a hole through for, you know, original stuff, you know, really good stuff. Because a lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the same now. And. But I just. I think that it's. That it's been a. A cool progression that's. That sort of fueled that. I don't know if I'm making sense. I'm kind of.

[B]

No, you're making sense.

[A]

You know what I'm trying to say? There's so much static now that the, The. The sort of.

[B]

The something has to be undeniable to

[A]

break through the authentic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Still fucking holds water. Yeah, big time. And, you know.

[B]

Well, there's always like one song that all of a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people listen to it, go, holy shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's always going to be something that's exceptional. But I do agree, it's impossible. There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about. And then someone turns me onto it and I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And had your friend not turned you on to that, you would. You never fucking know.

[B]

Well, there's no real radio anymore.

[A]

No.

[B]

Right. So how do you find out? When I was a kid, when I Was in high school. Like, a new Motley Crue song came out. It was on the fucking radio.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You knew. All right, the new album's out. Let's go get the new album.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was with every major band. It was like, then you got mtv. MTV came along. Oh, the music videos out, the album's out. But now it's like anyone can just put stuff up, you know, which is great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's also, it's look, it's. It's all overall positive because you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do. Yeah. More people that are making music, which is awesome. But, like, it's the same thing with movies. Imagine you had to watch every movie ever made. You'd have to be a million years old. You probably never finished.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

It's not enough hours in the day.

[A]

Yeah. It's the same musically. What's happening musically, that's happening with everything, entertainment wise. Films, television shows. There's an abundance of, like, it's just too much. How do people. People got these, you know. You know, you know, TV packages where they've got subscriptions 4,000 different places and you still can't find anything to watch. You're like, what the. What the fuck is happening here, everybody? We gotta like, peel it back a little bit, make it a little easier here.

[B]

Well, there's so many.

[A]

Too many options.

[B]

It's almost like dating apps, right? Like, if someone. If some chick is chewing her food with her mouth open, like, swipe. Like, who's next?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, people get. They don't get a chance to know anybody. And I think that's also the same thing with movies and TV shows. Because if you're watching Netflix, if you get bored for three seconds, you're like, fuck this movie. What else is on? You know? Okay, try this one. And you watch that for 10 minutes. Not, fuck this. I would like to see their numbers of, like, how long people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days, most people watch the movie to the end.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I bet now it's like 20%.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

If that.

[A]

Yeah. I'm just gonna say a little bit more if that.

[B]

Yeah, everybody, it's short attention span life right now. It's very, very bad for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sometimes you gotta just take something in and that.

[A]

And that affects the people who create the stuff. Because you realize I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six year olds here. And if my shit isn't banging within the first, whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within three or four seconds, you're next. Next.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

When. That's just the world we're in. And that affects people who make the stuff because they really gotta put the best shit up front quick or else you're gonna lose everybody 100%. And that's. That sucks. Yeah, that sucks.

[B]

They don't have to give in to that.

[A]

Nobody's got time for. For suspense or. Yeah, you know, fuck that.

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[A]

21 and over.

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[A]

Yeah, right. Yeah, you're right.

[B]

Like you it's like the most bizarre song ever.

[A]

Yeah. Kind of. Drum solo Y. Kind of.

[B]

Yeah, I. And classically Freebird. When Leonard Skynyrd released Freebird, they're like, no, no. This song takes way too long to get going. It's so long. It's like a seven Minute song, you gotta. This is never gonna fly. Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems in the history of the world. And per, perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the human race.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Free Bird. When that dude gets going, you see it live and everybody's. The whole place is going off. The greatest guitar solos in the history of the human race. And their record company was like, it's too long.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People don't have any attention span for this, guys.

[A]

God, even back then, people were hating.

[B]

Well, it's always the people that are the money people, because all they give a fuck about is money. And you're in the creative side of it, and the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it. And they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can because they want to buy a Rolls Royce. Come on, suck that dick. Let's go. And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking Nickelback over here and this guy over there, and there's always a new band they can push and pimp.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible. So they have always have shitty advice, because they advice. Their advice is based on making money.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And for that. And for that reason, when we were on Electra Records, they were never allowed in the studio. No one from the label that's ever allowed. We allowed them once and he came in and started making, like, making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, out. Out. Yeah, you'll get it when it's done here.

[B]

Oh, God. So gross.

[A]

Yeah. Dud. Here's some guy making those kind of calls who has. No, not a musician has no idea about what key the fucking song's in. All he knows is it's too long.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we gotta get to it quicker.

[B]

Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason. They're just kind of. They're just involved with other great creative people. And that's what they sell. That's their business, is to sell stuff that's awesome. And somehow or another they think it makes them awesome.

[A]

Yeah, it's very weird.

[B]

Like, you know, Zach Bryan, he's got a great song called. I think it's Damn Cold Vampires or Cold Damn Vampires. It's a great song about Tongue twister. It's a great song. It's about the music industry, and it's about these vampires that are just. Just sucking blood out of These artists and was a great song. The great line of the song. Trying to make. Make an empire of the things that you create. They're making an empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that they have an insight and they're. I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee. Let me tell you something, kid. I know music. And that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna show you these statistics. So yeah, we've got a guy.

[A]

We got statistics.

[B]

We got the best guy. The best statistics guy. He knows when people are. And when they get to this part of the drum solo, they tun. Tommy. We got to stop them from tuning out.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Because I want to get a conus egg. I want to get one of them two million dollar cars. These cunts. They're just. They're. They exist in every. Every walk of life where one person is like, you know, a creative type that's not business oriented. And you need a business person.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So the business people come in because they're. Someone's got to sell it. You're not gonna sell it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What are you gonna do? You're gonna make your own record company. You gotta hire your own executives and to do your own promotion. Get the out of here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You can't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they come along and they get involved and they fuck it all up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And how many guys thanks guys and ruined their careers because they listened to them?

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

You know the Billy Squire story.

[A]

So. Billy Squire, remind me, because I think

[B]

Billy Squire was the. When I was in high school, he had that song Lonely as the Night.

[A]

Oh my God, I love Billy Squire, dude.

[B]

The stroke. He was fantastic. And he did one music video where it was like very effeminate. It was like really weird.

[A]

Oh, was it when it was. He was in his pajamas or something

[B]

really weird and everybody was like, nope.

[A]

Yeah. What is he doing?

[B]

Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day I don't know if that was his idea or somebody else's idea. They just took a wild chance.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

No one knows.

[B]

Pray to God it was his idea because at least like he's creative. Made a creative decision. Didn't work out. Whatever.

[A]

Yeah, fine.

[B]

But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in. In a song, it was like very. The reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He was like, you know, his shirt down to his, you know, open up, down to his pants and fucking. He was a bad motherfucker on stage. Sing his ass off.

[A]

He's a star.

[B]

One music video tanked him.

[A]

I think it was My kind of lover. I think that was the song where.

[B]

See if you can find what the. The video was. This is it. There's a documentary someone made on Facebook I found that's about it, about this whole thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like this.

[A]

This is it. Yeah.

[B]

So it's. It was very weird.

[A]

Like, what song is it? Can you hear?

[B]

I will.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it was somebody else's idea. Is that that guy with the face? That guy with the face looks like the guy. Looks like the guy. Y tell you. Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands at his knees. Yeah, it was weird. It was very weird.

[A]

What song was this?

[B]

You know, like, if he was like. Like, look at this. Look at him skipping around. And it was a very odd. That guy that seems like the type of guy that would give you the bad advice.

[A]

Something me tonight. It's the name of the song.

[B]

I wanna.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I'll look up.

[A]

Not familiar with that title.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know, but I know. Yeah, that was it.

[A]

Remember that?

[B]

And everybody's like, nope. Yeah, that's a rap. And that guy should have had, like 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Such an incredible singer, man.

[A]

So rad.

[B]

Rock Me Tonight, 1984.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

We'll cut that part out. But you can see him dancing around like, look at this. Yeah, don't do that, buddy. What is this?

[A]

He's like, yeah, don't do that. Yeah, we need you on the ground, swarming around.

[B]

Hopefully I. Hopefully it was his idea.

[A]

Yeah. And he was just.

[B]

My God, if this was somebody else's idea, like, I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser. I want you to be more. More free. Yes, I want you to. I want you to be like. I want to feel it. I want to feel. I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what I want you to do. I want you like this. Like you barely can crawl. Like you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl.

[A]

Yes. Dude. Oh, my God.

[B]

What the fuck did you do to him?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

What did you do to him?

[A]

I know. I hope it was his idea.

[B]

Despite its major success, the song is sometimes associated with the end of his career. As a singles musician due to the music video, which is described as one of the worst ever in a 2011 book, I want my MTV. The Uncensored Story of the music video revolution shows Squire dancing around the bed with pastel colored satin sheets and wearing a pink tank top. Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined, and he later fired his managers. He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies. While Squire remains steadfast, the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity. Other commentators are less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, what the, bro? Yeah, the is Billy Squire doing, bro?

[A]

That's just gay, bro.

[B]

Because Billy Squire was the man. I mean, yeah, he could have been another John Mellon camp. He could have been. He could have gone on forever for sure. Like, what the, Dude, 84. One song, one music video.

[A]

That is really crazy if you think about it.

[B]

Yeah, it's nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing about. We think about, like, the success of Motley Crue and bands like, from your era, the fact that you guys endured for so long. Like, still to this day, bro, if I'm working out in the gym and kickstart My heart comes on, I swear to God, I get stronger.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, like, you get pumped, man. That's. That. That song's a drug.

[A]

Yeah, that one, man. I can't tell you how fun how. How rewarding that is to, like, sit back and like, I don't know. The Super Bowl's on and the kickoff.

[B]

Dude, we got to cut it out. But I want to hear it. Throw kickstart My Heart on. We'll cut it. We have to cut it out for YouTube. Otherwise we'll get docked with the money. People come involved. Meanwhile, we're just promoting music. God damn it. With Tommy Lee, you.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

But this here, this song. Oh, is this live? Don't give me a live one. Give me the actual one, bro. That was one of the most American songs that's ever been made. Ever.

[A]

Ever.

[B]

That song is fuel. You know that. That song is fuel. If you were running in a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones, you're like, let's go. Let'. You know, like, songs like that, they really do give you energy. They're. They really are like a drug.

[A]

Yeah, they're. They're definitely. They're injected.

[B]

Yeah. Like, changes your state, you know?

[A]

I love that one. Isn't that wild. The power that music has. Like the right kind of song, you know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than, like a fucking. Like. I get.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Goosebumps, bro. If something comes along that just. And it gets inside you. Yeah, it's infectious. And all of a sudden you're like, dude, it's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hair standing up. And you're like, what is that? Yeah, what the fuck is that? Like, I want to bottle that up and try to recreate whatever that is.

[B]

Yeah. It's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like. It's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have ever done. One of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is to just make incredible music. Because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that, like, nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. Like, a great joke is awesome the first time, but after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power the third time, it gets a little boring. A great song. I could listen to that. How Sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, oh, I just want to hear this song. One song over and over and over the out. Wear that up. I don't care. It's so good. I don't give a. I just want to feel. That's what go. And every time it comes back on. Yeah. And we're back. You know, it's like. It's. It changes the frequency of your actual soul. Like, your body gets moved by it. You feel different.

[A]

You. I want to ask you a question because you're into all this crazy shit I saw somewhere recently. And this just goes along with that feeling. Euphoric feeling you get when the right notes or frequencies hit you. I saw that through sound and certain frequencies. Like some dude in China, some doctor in China, or is it Japan? Is this close to healing fucking cancer through sound, through frequency. Really? Have you.

[B]

No. Have you heard that?

[A]

Have you seen any of this?

[B]

I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[A]

I wouldn't either because it just fascinates me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them. 432. 432 Hertz. You heard about that stuff.

[B]

Explain to people so that.

[A]

Well, it's just. There's some weird. What do you call it conspiracy theories about. Originally our music, like Bach, Beethoven, back in those days was tuned to 432 hertz. And this is the conspiracy part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed the. The tuning, the pitch of music, and now everything was raised to 440 instead of, you know, 432 instead of 432. Now it's at 440. It's. It's up and it's in. The frequency is more aggressive. And it was. It was said that it was done to give the soldiers more, you know, angst and correct this music.

[B]

Well, they were also given a meth.

[A]

Excuse me?

[B]

They were also given the meth.

[A]

Between meth and kickstart my heart.

[B]

Heart would have been a real problem, dude.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Kickstart my heart in German.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

Oh, my lord.

[B]

Yeah, that would have been a real problem.

[A]

Yeah, I. I'm just curious because I know that you're into that kind of stuff. If the. Any sound therapy or healing through frequencies, if you've heard any of that.

[B]

Well, I know people do sound baths where, you know, they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and they have someone like that. It's making sounds and there's something to it. Just think about, like, what we're saying with Kickstart My Heart. Like, when you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel. It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. So obviously sound has a profound effect on the human body. Body. And it's not just like you. And there's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like there's a lot of. There's a lot going on. The. The voice of the singer, you know, the. The visuals of everybody rocking out on stage. Sure, that also contributes to it. But the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could provide, like, therapeutical. Therapeutic benefits to, like, people that are injured, that are healing sickness. I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music, wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room, like, get me out of here.

[A]

Yeah, you're inputting something. Yeah. Something nice should be a part of your recovery. Yeah, for sure.

[B]

Getting positive vibes in. Getting, like, things that give you good feeling and good energy.

[A]

I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home if, you know, when you're in the mood to not really listen to music, but hear music where it's just playing in the background. And I'll. I'll just put. There's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever. And there's like high def shots of these just beautiful, you know, know, bonsai trees, koi ponds, big niwaki bonsai, like, and it's just so chill and with that music. And I just. I just put it on and it's kind of on a lot, actually. And I find myself. That's where I go to, like, just like. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, it puts you in a different state.

[A]

Puts me in a different space, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I dig it, man.

[B]

You got really into bonsai.

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

How did that start?

[A]

All the times that we've gone to Japan Every time I went there, I always went to the Japanese gardens of the temples. And I'd walk around and just be like, my jaw on the floor. Like, I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful. And just like. I don't know, just came over this feeling. Every time I went, it came over me. And I started studying. And this is like eight years ago. I was like, I. I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down, you know, down the. Down the tube here and figure out what that. What that is and how I can get this. Some of this into my life. And I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees. And I stuck. I started, and I haven't stopped. And it's been, hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever, ever gotten into, man. Like, I'll be out there for hours every day. Like, I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on. And I got, like, a workshop, dude. It's like a. There's, like, in progress, works on the bench. There's other ones I'm bending. There's ones that I'm, you know, treating for pests. You know, there's. It's a whole world and wiring everything, training it to where you want to go pruning, it's just. It. It lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just. I just. I don't know, man. I just. Check out.

[B]

How many years you been doing this now?

[A]

I've been. Probably eight years now. I've been doing it eight years.

[B]

And so is a bonsai tree, a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

Okay. And then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful, artistic shape. It's small.

[A]

Yes. It's. You're basically. You keep kind of dwarfing it. And everybody gets this confused, and they just think bonsai is like, that's the tree. Bonsai means tree. And pot. That's what that means. Actually, it doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree in pot.

[B]

How long is the study of bonsai? How long has the practice been around?

[A]

Dude, I. Fuck, I have no idea. And you. And you find that other parts of the world, now that you get into it, I mean, there's. In Taiwan and China, there are some fucking insane bonze. And I think it actually originated in China, and the Japanese took it and altered it in ways and did it their sort of. Their version But I think it originated in China, if I'm not, not mistaken.

[B]

Something like that. Yeah. 6th century China. And then they brought. Yeah, see, look at that. Bam.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wiki Lee over here.

[B]

So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old?

[A]

Yes, I do. Over 300. I have, I have, I have two of them that are over 300 years old.

[B]

So someone was working on them over 300 years ago?

[A]

Well, either that or was collected maybe a hundred years ago. And then over that time it's just constantly been, you know, cut back and cut back, like what you'll do.

[B]

But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago.

[A]

Yeah, it's, it's still, it's the same tree. Right, but it's just, it's never been. It's, it's always getting its roots cut.

[B]

Is that it? Is that your tree? The 300 year old tree?

[A]

No, no, no. That's just a, a, that's just a, a small juniper that I have.

[B]

It's beautiful.

[A]

The 300 year old one is a, is a redwood. It's the trunk on, it's like this and it's smashed into a pot about this big.

[B]

That seems rude.

[A]

It's about that way.

[B]

It's redwood. It seems rude because if you go to like Northern California and you go to the redwood forest. Yeah, they're spectacular. Yeah, those things are wild, insane. That redwood forest is so incredible. There's the one that you drive through.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Yes.

[B]

They cut a hole in it in like the 1920s or whatever. It's really. I can't believe they did that. But the tree's still alive and you drive through the tree. It's so crazy.

[A]

Yeah, that, that, that one I showed not too long ago in a exhibition.

[B]

Oh, so you go to Banzai shows.

[A]

Yeah, I, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done two so far. I just now like just this year entered a couple trees.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

The rest of the, these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know.

[B]

What a cool hobby.

[A]

Yeah, it's, it's rad, dude. It really is.

[B]

It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Like what great balancing tool, you know?

[A]

I know, man. And it's interesting because a lot of, lot of, you know, my, my peers, musical buddies, like, they're, they're, all of them are super interested. They're like, dude, what, what's up with the banzai Like, I, like, they. They're curious. They want to know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me, and they're like, I think I want some of that. I'm not sure.

[B]

Well, there's something about, like, a Zen garden that you associate with, like, bonsai and peacefulness and.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, just peace of mind.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Clean mind. Like, your mind is pure. You're like, you're really in the moment rather than just being a mess ordering ubereats. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, dude.

[B]

Like, there's something that. That's very spiritually attractive to people about those practices.

[A]

Yes. And. And that. And that's it, too. It. It really has a lot to do with sort of. Of the. The culture of all of it. Like, when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to. You start to realize that everything that at least the Japanese do is with such purpose. Like, you'll notice, you know, And I didn't notice this stuff until later. I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a Zen garden. You'll never find a straight path, ever. I don't care how far you look, you'll never find a straight path going through a Zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve the path to slow you down when you get to. When you get. As soon as you walk into a garden, the number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no straight path. And everything. You don't. Nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner. So you're always. Even if they're. If you're going across a lake or a pond, there's never a straight. Very rarely a straight bridge. It's either arced or the bridge zigzags across. There's never a straight line. And what. What. That's how. That's what that's meant to do, is get you to stop at each corner and look out and just take. Take it in and be present. And that's. To me, it's like, that's the deeper meaning of all this. For me. It's really got me to slow the down because everything is just kind of right all the time. So you know that. It's just. I get. I don't know how to explain it sometimes. It's hard to explain that state. But that's what I. That's what I get from it. And every Day. It's the best way to start. Start your day, man. It can only get amazing after that because you're. You kind of set yourself up for or having a fucking super rad day, like, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm good. Let's go.

[B]

Right. Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those Zen gardens that's so attractive to people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's obvious there's something going on with that design, with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together. It's very exciting to people.

[A]

And you see it, man. I don't know if you've noticed. You had to notice. You see it in a lot of the, like, newer architecture. A lot of designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a museum.

[B]

Right.

[A]

This or that. It's really. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's more. It's more peaceful like in the actual design itself versus like some house with big giant ass windows overlooking the big city and rocks everywhere and like.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views. And I mean, the view is just kind of the view. It doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having a, you know, a beautiful winding sanctuary to cruise through.

[B]

You know, I think nature is very therapeutic. And if you can put nature in an artistic form, like a Zen garden, it's very therapeutic. That's a way better view. The view of nature is a way. Always a way. Well, look, you. Whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle, and you'll see all the buildings, like, wow, this is crazy. In the center of it. This is dope. But I don't want to live there.

[A]

Right. Right.

[B]

I like to visit. I don't think it's good for me. At least I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better.

[A]

Yeah. You know, it's funny, dude. I tell people I think. I think I was a tree, like in a past life because I'm. I'm. I'm like, maybe you were a tree too. I'm like, you like. I don't know if you're like this gnarly about It. But every time I go into a city, the first thing I look at is the trees. Like, whether it's a big city, wherever I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings, I don't look up or down. I'm always looking for the tree. I don't know, man.

[B]

Well, human beings are very connected to plants or they're very connected to nature, Period. Period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park, Ah, have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and like, from the window you look out, you see the whole park, like, straight. This is incredible that they did that because it's so big and it's. It's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything. And go wander around like, hey, get the out of these buildings for a while. And it's like for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all. It would make them all better. They all feel better.

[A]

It's a little center retreat, man.

[B]

Oh, an amazing one. Yeah, it's huge. Like, how many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm gonna guess a thousand acres. If I had a guess, maybe 2,000 acres. How big is it? 843. Yeah, 843 acres. So it's this amazing, huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world and you see all these giant crazy buildings and then none of them in the center. It's beautiful.

[A]

Props to that. Those people or whoever that didn't sell that space.

[B]

How many vampires are trying to take over that and put a big shitty ass building in the middle of it? We don't need 800 acres. 500 acres. Plenty, plenty, plenty. We'll just make those 500 acres even better and no one's gonna complain.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, hats off to whoever.

[B]

Listen, whatever we're gonna do, whoever like, held that down, they've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with Ari Shafir, Shane Gillis and Mark Norman is Protect our Parks.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

But we're not really protecting parks. We're just getting drunk and talking shit. It's called Protect Our Parks because Ari, on One of the early episodes was ranting and raving about they're gonna take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings. And they wound up doing it. They. They killed the park.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

Vampires. They just want to suck out all the trees and just make money. These dirty.

[A]

Oh, man. Pretty soon, they. Everybody's gonna have no place to go, man.

[B]

Yeah, well, I think Central park is safe, and that's the greatest park in the world. Yeah, it really is the greatest park in any city in the world.

[A]

It's so crazy you mentioned that, because on the way here, I was flicking through Instagram and I saw. Sorry. That this happened. Some dude got killed that one of the horses took. You know, the horse and buggy thing just. Just launched, and you see the dude. The horse flips the cart, and the dude gets flung out, and then he dies. He died on the way to the hospital.

[B]

Why did the horse freak out? Do we know what happened?

[A]

It didn't show. It. It just showed. Like somebody else has had footage of it. Like, just the horse freaking out. Oh. And then peeling out, and you'd see the thing flip over, and you're like, oh, man.

[B]

Dude, you know, I love horses, and I'm not a fan of horses walking around in the city. I think it's. Yeah, I get that people think it's romantic to ride on the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not, right. No horse is supposed to be in the fields and the mountains. The horse supposed to be running around

[A]

and clicking around on the asphalt. Oh, dude.

[B]

All that. Yeah, they're not like, it. It's just a gross, touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. You know, I know cops like to use them and they breaking up riots and. Which is kind of crazy, but the. The reality is a horse is not supposed to be there, just like a cow's not supposed to be there. If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why? This is cow. This was likely an accident because the driver. Yeah, the driver, I guess they call him wasn't. Oh, dude in the red spot, like, left his seat. What? Yeah, he left. They're never supposed to leave their seat. It says to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage, and when the family was climbing back in, horse got spooked. Oh, no. It happened very fast.

[A]

But, yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it. Dude, it just peels out.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

And you see it just Go and just made up. Make kind of a hard right and the buggy just flips over and I

[B]

don't with horses, man.

[A]

Yeah, dude.

[B]

I don't ride them. I have, I've ridden a horse before. I don't like it, dude.

[A]

I've. Same here. I've done it. I got my ass thrown off one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, I'm good, I'm cool.

[B]

It's just not good. It's just, I mean, look, if you're a cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

You know, if you're doing it every day, that's a different thing. But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride them. I get it.

[A]

For entertainment purposes.

[B]

It's like, I went to Thailand and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants. And elephants don't mind because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugar cane and, you know, you pet them and you hang out with them and then they decide whether or not you're cool. And if you give them like peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up. They lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back and they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. I could have just hung out with them. That have been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like king chimpanzees. Champ, king, champ on this big ass elephant.

[A]

Look at me.

[B]

You know, it's very weird.

[A]

Yeah, it's weird.

[B]

But you know, people like it and they're beautiful animals.

[A]

Oh, my God, they're beautiful.

[B]

I don't need to ride animals. I, I get it. People like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me.

[A]

Yeah, I'd rather look at them. I'm with you.

[B]

Yeah. But horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses, like, they, they're bonded to that animal like no other animal.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I, I, I know a few that are just like Horse Whisperer, kind of like where you're like, whoa, this is, this is some next level love.

[B]

Yeah, they do a lot of, there's, there's a therapy with that too. They do. Yes, Wine therapy for a lot of people.

[A]

I did that one time at a rehab. They took us to have like a couple of days with just with horses. And it was Cool, man. I get it.

[B]

Yeah. Well, again, it's like. Just like the trees in the forest. It's like something peaceful about horses.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know? Yeah, mostly. Most of the time they're. Especially if they're broken. They're pretty chill. They just want to hang out.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

You come up and pet them, and they like it, and it's like, wow.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Puts you in check.

[A]

Their big ass teeth freak me out when you're feeding them. Like, you don't want to get your fingers in there, dude.

[B]

People have been bitten by them, too.

[A]

Chompers.

[B]

If someone's a dick, you get a horse annoyed and they bite you like, bro.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's got a.

[B]

Can you imagine all that jaw power, dude? The size of their head.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just clamping down your hand.

[A]

You.

[B]

I want a carrot. Give me the carrot.

[A]

That's so rad. You can smoke in here?

[B]

Yes. Yeah, I smoke cigars.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

I'll fire up with you.

[A]

All right.

[B]

How long you been smoking?

[A]

God, forever.

[B]

You ever try to quit?

[A]

I have, and I quit for. This is a few years ago. I quit for, like, Fuck, I almost made it a year, and then I

[B]

was, like, kind of gonna feel like after a few months, you're out of the woods.

[A]

Yeah, it. I don't know, it just didn't. It didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man.

[B]

What brought you back?

[A]

You know what? Probably because I was drinking at the time. Like, they kind of go hand in hand. You know, if you're having a cocktail or a beer or whatever, you're having a smoke. Chances. Chances are. Right? And I don't know, man. I just. You're sitting there and you're having a drink, and you're like, where's the cigarette? It's just. I don't know. They're. It's like rock and roll. Like, they just go together for some reason. So I failed.

[B]

Well, why did. Why did you quit originally? What it was the. Was the top behind it.

[A]

I think I was just trying to quit everything. You know, you just. Like, that's it. Everything. I'm just gonna take a break and hit the reset button on everything. I think I was going through that phase because I hadn't ever tried that. Tried everything else, but nothing. And. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man.

[B]

It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery.

[A]

Yeah. And then you. And you got. And then, you know, you got guys like Keith Richards who's just ripping cigarettes still, and I'm like, He's fine. And, like, I've gotten my. My lungs and done the whole, like, pernuvo, like, body scan to see all your. And they're like, you're good. I'm like, are you sure? Wait, let me see the, like, you know, the paperwork. Is it just a different Lee or a different guy? Like, because that's fucking impossible. They're like, you're good. I was like, all right. So there's really no reason to quit.

[B]

Well, it's actually a very small percentage of people. Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer, the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer, but more cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so hot. So if you, like, let's. Let's find the numbers, put it into perplexity, please. What percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? And I think it's less than 5%. I think it's a very small number. And then you got to think people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking two, three packs a day?

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's crazy. I don't.

[B]

And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant. They only smoke, like, a half a page pack or a little bit less.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. So what does it say, Jamie? It's still calculating it, so. Oh, sorry.

[A]

And isn't there something about, like, nicotine? Like, when Covid happened, they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. And I never got Covid.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I was like, yay, nicotine.

[B]

Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes. It's supposed to be, like, really good to prevent Covid, and it's really confusing.

[A]

So crazy.

[B]

Yeah. 10 to 20% of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer, with many studies landing about 15%. I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that 15 out of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer over the. But that's estimated from a study. Another analysis found roughly one in seven current smokers develop blood cancer. People who never smoke have a 1 to 2% chance or lifetime risk of lung cancer.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. People who never smoke. Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer. But smoking still causes about 80 to 90% of the lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look up. There's some sort of a study that's connecting people that live in Europe that have high polyphenol diets. Like so they have, like, they. They use a lot of olive oil.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And olive oil seems to protect. And it's a very controversial statement because people think, oh, my God, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes. It's just that they're just looking at data that these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes or not have nearly as many problems.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah. Which makes sense because olive oil is so good for you. You got to think it's got to balance out a lot of the free radicals and that you're getting from life.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Makes sense that it would apply to smoking as well.

[A]

You told. Totally. Yeah, that's. Yeah, I heard that.

[B]

That's so smoke them if you got them. Get some extra virgin olive oil.

[A]

Let's go dip them.

[B]

Dip them like Sherm. Have you ever tried Sherm?

[A]

Yeah, a long time ago.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

Whoa. Yeah. High school days, man.

[B]

People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets, but still. But smoke still face the full, very high health risks of smoking. Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly improve overall risk markers. But there was an article that I had read that they were connecting it. They were talking about Europeans. Yeah. Here it is. Especially Mediterranean rich plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, tea, olive oil and wine. Holy. Polyphenol intake is linked to more to better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long term heart disease risk and overall our overall mortality in observational studies. Because that's the other thing about cigarettes. It's not just cancer, it's also heart disease. And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti inflammatory effects, but current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers, haters,

[A]

you

[B]

have to have some vices. Most of the people I know that in Alcoholics Anonymous, they fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Big percentage of them ripping cigarettes. Yeah. Because it gets you a little high.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's like a very manageable high.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm all right.

[A]

Yeah, it's just like a little lightheaded.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But also, like, good for cognitive function, you know?

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Like, you know, Pink Floyd, when they wrote the Wall, they were high as on cigarettes. Those guys smoke cigarettes all day long.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Those dudes smoked a ton of cigarettes.

[A]

Get out of here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that coffee, dude?

[B]

Get in there.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you, bro.

[B]

My pleasure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Tony Hitchcliffe told me that, and he's a giant cigarette fan. Stephen King said that, too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his race writing.

[A]

Oh, whoa. Yeah.

[B]

I said his synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

It's like that was one of the things that I really noticed when I quit smoking.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

Doesn't that make sense, though?

[A]

It does. I remember quitting for a short time there. I remember everything tasting better. Oh, yeah. Like, everything just tasted better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, of course, it's pounding a cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink.

[B]

It's gotta numb the inside of your mouth in some way or dull your senses, something. You're caking it with smoke.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Clog up the old taste receptors.

[A]

Yeah, dude.

[B]

But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man. I think there's. There's some benefit to it.

[A]

Yeah, hopefully.

[B]

No, I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many, like, super creative people and a lot of intelligent people. A lot of professors use tobacco. David Gilmore says he never smoked cigarettes. David Gilmore. But didn't Roger Waters.

[A]

This is.

[B]

This, I think, goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their marijuana and hashish smoking. So Tony Hinchcliffe spread misinformation, and here I am repeating it. He might have. He could have been told, though. Yeah, I'm sure he was told. Well, Roger. We all did hang out with Roger that one night. That was pretty dope. We got to see Roger Waters live, and we came on the podcast, we hung out, and then we went to see his concert. It was insane.

[A]

Oh, it was insane. I bet it was rad.

[B]

He, another legend, was still, like, full power on stage. It's incredible.

[A]

That's the best.

[B]

The show was amazing. And it's like he has these enormous screens behind him. Him. So the show is like. It's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and his is so politically loaded. So it's. You know, you see all this crazy, like, while he's singing these songs, like, when they're playing the wall it's like.

[A]

Yeah, I. I remember seeing one of those tours. I. Maybe it was. I don't know what. But the wall is slowly building over the whole. Yeah, it's crazy.

[B]

And when we went to see him, Ari was high as on acid, and he's crying in the middle of the show. He's cr. It was phenomenal.

[A]

Oh, my God, dude. I don't know if I could handle that.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know either. Jesus, like, get the out of here with the acid. We're just gonna go see the concert. I'm not doing that.

[A]

Yeah, dude. Around all those people. I know. I'd probably. I don't know if that'd be a good one.

[B]

Probably not a good one. But Ari's a experienced passenger. You know what I mean? He could ride some waves.

[A]

Good boy.

[B]

He could ride some waves without throwing up. Do you ever look back and just say, God, it's a wonder I'm still

[A]

alive, Dude, I told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. I really do. I shouldn't technically be here, right? Maybe you shouldn't. I don't know. Who knows? We all got our. Our thing. But, oh, man, I'm really lucky to be here. And I think it's because I want to be here. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I want to be here. Like, I want to see. I'm kind of pissed because I feel like we're not even close to where we should be. I mean, the year 2000. I mean, where's my spaceship,

[B]

right?

[A]

You know, like, where is that? It was supposed to be full jetsons, bro. They're extremely late or it's never gonna happen.

[B]

I think there's a real problem with people flying around.

[A]

They lied.

[B]

The people. The problem with people flying around is you gotta catch them. Whereas if they're on the street, just close off the street and then you catch them, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If people are flying around like a bank and they go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they just go off like, no, no, no, no. You can't have that for everybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You gotta have people corralled in nice, like, very clean lines. We can block these lines off very obvious paths. Use lights to start over them in helicopters, put a spotlight down on them so you follow them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the Jetson. Like, that's not.

[A]

Fuck, I want that, dude. I want my own little.

[B]

Well, they do have flying cars now.

[A]

I saw some of those. There's a couple. There's like, a one company called Jet1. It's like this little. Looks like a little. It's like a one man drone. Four helicopters.

[B]

I'm like, yeah.

[A]

Me and my manager were always like, should we go get a couple of these?

[B]

You don't want to die that way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let those things get worked out for a few years.

[A]

Yeah. It's probably. It needs a little bit more time for it to be soup, but.

[B]

Yeah, man. Because, I mean, think about, like, how glitchy early cell phones were. You know what I mean? Let that get ironed out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let the eggheads work on that for a little bit. Polish it up nice. Yeah. Fix all the bugs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, I don't know what happens when those things crash. Like, you get a warning when they're about to die. Like, do you. Do they run out of batteries? Does it run out of gas? Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an. And just fly until you run out of gas and die?

[A]

Yeah. Or solar charging takeover.

[B]

Make it home. Like, how many guys have done that in their cars? I think I can make it home. When I was in high school, my friend picked me up and his buddy's 1970 Chevelles. Amazing. So dope. And I remember he ran out of gas and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station.

[A]

No way. Yeah.

[B]

It was like we shut the car, we got out. Like, that was amazing. Just because, you know, we're 16. It ran out of gas at the pump. I was like, this is perfect.

[A]

No pushing, no nothing. Just.

[B]

But if you're in one of them little drones and that goes. Goes on E. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Gets parts. Yeah, yeah. Not good. Not good.

[B]

Did you see that documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane? Plane? He stole a play. He was, like, working at an airport, and he stole a plane and hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it and died.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But he's, like, having conversations with them.

[A]

Yeah, he's talking and going like, I don't know what I'm doing, man. But, you know, this one's for the. I don't know. Yeah, he's just. And they were just like, I could run it, dude.

[B]

Well, they were trying to get him.

[A]

Trying to.

[B]

But they were trying to get him to land it. But the reality was, like, there's no way he was going to figure out how to land. Land that thing. He's a dead man the moment he got off the ground, He's a dead man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

Oh, wow. I don't. I have not seen the documentary, but I've seen clips of them trying to talk him, talk him down, and he just seemed like he wasn't. That wasn't an option. He just seemed like this.

[B]

He was ready to wrap it up.

[A]

He was taking this, this was this, that, that, that one flight.

[B]

Yeah. Ready to wrap it up?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hope your insurance covers this, but yeah, I think flying cars will probably be a thing one day. For 70 minutes, the world watched in disbelief as a stolen Horizon airplane soared over Puget Sound for crashing on a remote island. Now a new Hulu documentary reveals the man behind the controls and the quiet struggle that led him there, there.

[A]

Oh, I got to watch this. What's it called?

[B]

What's Sky King?

[A]

It's what?

[B]

Sky King.

[A]

It's called Sky King.

[B]

Poor dude.

[A]

Oh, damn. Well, at least they gave him a rad title.

[B]

Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

People are very stupid, dude.

[A]

People are stupid. I. I just released a song called Stupid World a couple weeks ago, and. And that's exactly what that's about. It's literally we have gotten to a place where everything to me, like, we are at just epic, stupid proportions. Where you're just like, not a day goes by where I'm like, that's fucking ridiculous. That's stupid. Like, how stupid? Like, how stupid can we get? Anyway, I wrote this track, it's called Stupid World.

[B]

You live in la, which is one of the stupidest fucking places on Earth, dude.

[A]

I know, it's insane. I'm like. And I'm doing the same thing too. Like, why do I live here? I mean, I love. I love it there, but in the same amazing. There's always in the back of my head is why.

[B]

Look, it's the most. One of the most beautiful places on earth. The weather's perfect.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Most of the people are very friendly. Most of the people are cool. You know, it's like, it's only a percentage of the people that are that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The most. The majority of the people are quite cool. The problem is it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit. It's like slowly. The. The film business is like dried up. Yeah, like completely dried up. Television, completely dried up. Late night tv, it's. It's dried up, man. And then that was fueling a giant part of like, what made LA special.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore. And they make it intolerable. They make you seem like you have to be there. So they just punish you with taxes and they punish you with regulations. They punish you. They make it everything. Very difficult to conduct business. Very difficult to be safe. Very difficult to just feel normal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they get surprised when people leave. Like, what do you want? Yeah, what do you think you're doing to that place? You guys can see the statistics. Stop gaslighting the world, right? You guys this place sideways and you want to keep doing it.

[A]

And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know, you hear and you see, oh, man. Fuck. A bunch of people are leaving la. And part of me is like, fuck, yes, get the fuck out of here. There's too many people here. So go. But then I realize nothing's really changed. And I don't really notice that people have left. The traffic still the same. A bunch of shit's exactly the same. And you tell me me this many people left, I don't see it well. And I wonder if that's not. Not maybe a. I don't know, a hyped statistic.

[B]

Yeah, it's not a Scientific analysis. No, like, the numbers are real. People have left LA, but it doesn't matter. You could lose 5 million people in LA is still too big. The traffic's bananas, dude.

[A]

It's. It's retarded.

[B]

Yeah, it's bananas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you want to go to Orange county at 4 o' clock or shoot yourself, like, it's a real, That's a real decision. Drive to Orange county at 4:00 in the afternoon. You're like, what the am I doing with my life? This is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. And don't even think about hitting the 405.

[B]

No.

[A]

At all.

[B]

Like, no, no, you're gonna have to go some sideways. Yeah, you're gonna have to go some. You're gonna have to use ways.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And even then, you're. Even then it's an hour and a half if you live in, like, Irvine and you commute to la. Good. God bless you, dude. God bless you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How do you do it?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

People do it every day. They just want to live in a place like Irvine. Real safe, real nice. Yeah, but I gotta work in la. Fuck it. I'll just drive in every day, just

[A]

all fucking mad and just.

[B]

I would get up at 5 in the morning and just go to the gym. That's what I would do. I'd get up 5 in the morning, drive to LA. I'd get a membership in LA at the gym. That way I'm driving with no traffic. At least one way, at least getting there, I have no traffic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you deal with the home commute. Doing it to, to both to and from. Yeah, you, you. I'm not doing that.

[A]

It's too gnarly.

[B]

I'd rather get up at 5 in the morning. I would. I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day minimum in their car and they, they really live 20 minutes away. If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes.

[A]

Man. That's, that's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time, time. And you, you realize that kind of time, you're wasting, wasting, and you're never going to get back. And you're like, if I do this consecutively, consecutively every single day, I wonder what. Add that time up over, you know, whatever, however many years and I'll bet you people would freak the out.

[B]

Yeah, you lost years.

[A]

I just lost years of my life. Life in the car.

[B]

Yeah. But the Good thing is one thing that you can do in the car is listen to books on tape.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And books on tape are amazing. And you know, podcast too for some people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But for me it's a lot of it is books on tape. Cuz like you'll get lost in a book and it doesn't even really bother you that much. And one of the crazy. If you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto drive. So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic, for some reason, I just go, I just turn it on and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to stop at red lights. It does everything de stressed. And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel just like this.

[A]

Oh, to make it look like you're.

[B]

No, you're supposed to like stay contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road. But you don't have to think at all. You know, you can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know what happens if you just go.

[A]

I think it shuts down after a second.

[B]

Probably starts to recognizes that you're doing that and shuts down. But the reality is like that as a stress decoupler, there's nothing like.

[A]

Oh man, the best.

[B]

You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half. Instead of like constantly hitting the brake, constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the breaks. Now you're just chilling and you get just like. Listen to your book on Banzai.

[A]

Yeah, no, that is, that is nice, man. I don't know about you, but like if I start like, you know, you start reading a book, just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading, they get tired. So you get more in listening to it, an auditory version of it, rather than for me at least, sort of. Sort of. I stressing on reading and doing all that. Yeah. I get tired and then fucking lose interest.

[B]

Yeah, that's, that's, there's definitely something to that. Well, reading always makes me want to go to sleep.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Especially of reading at night. It helps you fall asleep. Yeah, but there's, there's also something about reading in your head because you create the voices and you create everything. Like you use your imagination when you're just reading. That doesn't exist with books on tape.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But with, with audiobooks, I don't have the time. So for me, it's a time thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, if I have a guest coming on and the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something. Like, I need to absorb the information, and I have a limited amount of time. So I listen to audiobooks in the gym, I listen to audiobooks in the sauna, and I listen to it in the car on the way to work. And so that all together is a couple hours in a day. Day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read. I just. I don't. I wish I did. I don't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the thing. Because especially at the gym, you can get a little just distracted and you're like, what the did he just say? And you have to back it up. And. Oh, yeah, when that happens, I generally. I just shut it off. I'm like, this workout's too intense. I can't really pick up attention.

[A]

Yeah, you can. Yeah. What do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

People think they're multitasking.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That doesn't fucking exist. You really. Yeah, whatever.

[B]

You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

[A]

Thank you very much. Yeah.

[B]

You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing. And it's definitely making you less good at either one of the. Those things. And if one of them is very simple and it's like, it doesn't matter. Okay. You could be distracted.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing, you're robbing attention from these things.

[A]

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, there it is.

[B]

Well, I've always find that, like, my best workouts are in silence. It's like, you don't. It's so hard to work out. Like, you really need to only be thinking about what you're doing. And if you add in a bunch of stuff. Except me. Music. Music is always fuel for workouts. That's different.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Books. It's like music you can listen and then stop listening. You could do be in the middle of the set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics. It just keeps. Just gives you some energy in the Air music is the ultimate companion for working out.

[A]

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

[B]

So much so that David Goggins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating. What he goes is cheating, you know, because he's just a complete, total psycho.

[A]

Is that that, like, Is that that,

[B]

like, ultra marathon guy? Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I thought it was the Live Forever guy. The.

[B]

Oh, no, no, that's Brian Johnson. That's the guy who like has his son's blood injected into.

[A]

Yeah, that dude. Sorry, I'm confusing.

[B]

This David Goggins is a totally different guy. He's the Navy SEAL who run. He. I think. How many ultra marathons did he run in a month? Something insane. He runs 100 mile races and he's. It's like a insane fitness freak.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

And when he works out, he has these, these workouts where like, famously, he'll take like professional fighters and they work out with them and they can't keep up and they're just throwing up and they just can't. Can't believe how much this guy works. And he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time and they can't keep up. He finished eight 100 mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends. So he ran 800 miles in eight weekends. He's a nut. And he does like, he'll. He'll be like at home and just decide, I'm gonna do a 60 mile ruck right now. And just like throws on a backpack, gets outside and starts rucking and they'll just do 60 miles. And so he'll go out there for hours and hours. Just decides, this is what I'm gonna do. And I'm not stopping until I'm done. And he does it all the time.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

He's in insane shape. And he's 50.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

In. He also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed, all from pounding on. They're bone on bone. He's had a ton of operations. Doesn't care. Keeps going on on bone on bone. Like what? It's just a maniac. It's a complete and total maniac. But he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating. Wow.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

But that just shows you. I like to cheat. I like to use that music. I like to cheat. I need the cheat to get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it myself maybe, but why would. When I go, I mean, give me that, give me that music. Yeah. If it's cheating, I'm going to cheat at that.

[A]

Yeah. That's, that's, that's not cheating. I don't think of it as called inspiration.

[B]

Yes. It's an awesome supplement. That's what I.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

But for him, it's all about mental strength. And so he considers it cheating to use that mental strength. Like, to you, your mental strength should be right from your brain train. He goes, you can't always count on that music. That music's not always going to be there. Like, okay, I guess so he kind

[A]

of has a. I, I get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do what you're doing.

[B]

For what he does, he kind of has a point.

[A]

Yeah, I could see that. He's focusing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, no. No distractions. Yeah.

[B]

He says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm gaining knowledge. I'm acquiring knowledge. I leave him. I believe him because he's thinking. He's going into dark realms of his mind, you know, dude, intense suffering, running 100 mile races eight weekends in a row.

[A]

He's doing some serious other work. Right, while he's running.

[B]

That's the real, like, deep introspective work. You want to find out who you really are. Run eight 100 mile races in eight weeks.

[A]

Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself. What the am I doing? No, dude, you got this. You got this. No, dude, you're an idiot. No, bro. Yes.

[B]

I think he probably used to have those conversations. Now it's just. Now it's just battling demons. It's all just demons. Just crushing down negative thoughts. Crushing down weakness, you know? I know there's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy.

[A]

Yeah, there are, dude. It's pretty crazy.

[B]

I bet you've met every variety of them.

[A]

Just about. Oh, my God. That's fun. Wow.

[B]

I know. There's some crazy people in this world.

[A]

Yeah, there is.

[B]

But we need all of them, you know? We need our Tommy Lee's. We need our David Lee Ross. We need our, you know, we need our David Goggins. We need all those people. That's what makes the world beautiful, is that there are so many different people you can meet someone. Like, fuck, I never met a guy like him. That's nuts.

[A]

Yeah, that is what it is. Wonderful, isn't it? Wonderful.

[B]

I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived. Practically.

[A]

I feel like it just about.

[B]

I mean, you've been famous since what year? Like, what year did Motley Crue really break out?

[A]

It's like 80.

[B]

80. That's nuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Boy, that world was a different place, bro. The world was a different place. No Internet?

[A]

No. No cell phones? No.

[B]

Who was president in 1960?

[A]

80.

[B]

Was that even Reagan yet?

[A]

Almost.

[B]

When did Reagan become president? Yeah, Reagan was president when I was in high school.

[A]

Who the.

[B]

That was in the 80s. What year Jamie started in? 81. 81. So 1980, Reagan wasn't even president yet.

[A]

Who was president?

[B]

How to be Jimmy Carter.

[A]

Right, Right. Yeah, that sounds right.

[B]

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.

[A]

Whoa, dude.

[B]

Wow. Isn't that nuts? 1980. What was that scene like, bro?

[A]

That was still to this day. Motley did. We did this movie called the Dirt. And. And it's based on our autobiography from, you know, certain years from this year to this year. And it. It kind of like, it shows how it was. And one of. One of the coolest things ever is when, you know, I'll see, you know, emails from fans or questions from fans, and they're like, dude, was it. And these are from like, you know, 18 year old kids. They're like, was it really like that when you guys were rocking shit like that? I was like, 100%. They're like, fuck. And they're bummed. They're like, we will never ever get to experience that fuck. It was just full on till the wheels fall off. No. You could get away with fucking murder. Literally. There was no phones and no. This was at a time where anything, anything goes pretty much.

[B]

How old were you in 1980?

[A]

In 1980, I was 18.

[B]

Jesus Christ.

[A]

18. 17. 17.

[B]

So you're blowing up at 18 years old. How the did you manage?

[A]

I know, dude.

[B]

Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like 1940.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's like it's nothing world.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Even the font from Motley Crue.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Looks ancient.

[A]

Totally. Wow. God.

[B]

Dude, what is that? Does that even seem real when you look at that picture?

[A]

Picture? Look at our little cheesy cloth backdrop.

[B]

That's dope.

[A]

See the wrinkles in the fabric? That's what the. Whiskey, Whiskey.

[B]

Too fast for love. Great song.

[A]

And that drum riser, that. That right there with the lights in it and stuff. My dad and my dad, myself and my drum tech, we built that riser to. Dude, like, it had switches. My dad was a mechanic, and so he. My dad built. He, you know, he's like, you need a drum riser. All right, let's go. I mean, dude, he would. My dad would built us pyro. He like drilled out these. Or cut, cut these Big blocks of wood. Ran electrical prongs up through the wood. And then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder. And we'd be out in my backyard, dude, and the neighbors, and be all sudden, it's like fire. There's these mushroom clouds in my backyard. And the neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on? And my dad was like, he just, he loved it. He's like making bombs, lighting rigs, drum risers. And then he would drive me. He would drive me to the gigs and in his van with all my shit. Like, I had the best dad ever.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah. And here, here's a mechanic. Okay.

[B]

Look at this fucking setup, bro. This is nuts.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

Right, the hamster wheel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is crazy.

[A]

Yeah, that's nuts, bro.

[B]

You were doing drums like, halfway upside down, dude.

[A]

The thing was gyroscoped. It went around, you know, right to left, back to front.

[B]

What is it like trying to play the drums from that position, though? That's got to be very weird, dude.

[A]

It is insane. Like, I had to, like, I had to change so many dynamics. Like, think about it. Instead of gravity, Instead of gravity pulling your hand down, right? Right now you've got to push.

[B]

Oh, yeah, you're upside down.

[A]

So it becomes three times harder physically. And. And also you had to make adjustments. So I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, they're foot pedals for your bass drums, right? Well, and those are chain driven pedal footboards. So when you go upside down, they fall. So I had to put springs. I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taut so they would stay up. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So I had. And with cymbals, they, they, they're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down. So I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off. But we figured it out with the hi hat too. Because a hi hat would, you know, the two symbols, it. They would just. If you're upside down, they just. They just go open. They open, right? So I had to do another spring as well to keep that closed so I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy.

[B]

Why did you decide to do that? Like, what was just something rad. When you're a small business owner, you're always looking for the next big thing. Whether you're a gym owner looking to expand a store, stocking up for a busy season or a restaurant owner planning a new menu. You'll always need capital to grow, but traditional banks are making it harder than ever to secure a small business loan. That's why thousands of business owners trust Cardiff for same day funding. Their online application takes less than five minutes and won't impact your personal credit score. With over two decades of expertise, it's no surprise business owners keep voting Cardiff, America's favorite small business lender. If you've been operating for at least a year and are earning at least $20,000 a month in revenue, apply now for up to $500,000 in same day business funding at Cardiff Co Rogan. Again, that's Cardiff Co Rogan. Cardiff. Borrow better. This episode is brought to you by Tocovas. All right, guys, if you want boots that are made right, you gotta check out to COVAs. Their Western boots are sturdy and clearly built to last, but really sharp and premium too. You don't need to break them in either. They're comfortable straight out of the box. And great boots for summer concerts, weddings, work events, whatever. And they're versatile too. You can wear them with jeans, dress them up or down, whatever you need to. Covis has all the classic leathers like cowhide and goat, but they've got all the exotics too, for when you want to level up your look. If you've been thinking about your next pair of boots or hey, even your first pair, go check out to Covas in store or [e-mail] that's T E C O V A S S.com and right now, get 10 off at tacovas.com Rogan when you sign up for email and texts, you know what?

[A]

That all started. And it's kind of been my thing throughout history. And every year I do something different and crazier. Of course, everybody's like, what are you gonna do next year?

[B]

What are you gonna do next year?

[A]

That's sort of like, that's where it all started. And. And it really started. Started when I went to go see, it was Pat Travers. Do you remember Pat Travers band?

[B]

No.

[A]

Boom, boom. I'll go the light. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Anyway, they were cool and I went to go see them and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer. And this is before Motley. I'm just like, whoa, dude. I'm like kids standing on the chair. But yeah, right. And his drum solo time. And. And he's a badass. And he's just. He's ripping, dude. All you see is sticks flying and hair going. He's shredding. And I'm looking around and I. And I'm watching people go get a beer, people going to pee, going to get a T shirt, going out to the lobby to smoke a joint. What? I don't know. Whatever. Everybody's kind of leaving, and I'm like, like, where the is everybody going? That guy is murdering the drums right now. And y' all are like. He failed to capture their attention. And from that moment on, I went. I need to figure out a. How to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there. Because people can't see. It's not like a guitar or. You can. You can see.

[B]

See.

[A]

Oh, there's the. That's the roller coaster. That's the. That's the. That's the Crucify, dude.

[B]

That's so dope.

[A]

That's the. The latest one. That thing went from the front all the way to the back of the arena or stadium.

[B]

That's crazy, dude.

[A]

And look at. And then it. It starts. It starts twirling as it's going down.

[B]

Oh, my God, you're upside down. That's so sick.

[A]

Look at that, dude.

[B]

That is so sick. The audience must go, nanas.

[A]

Yeah. At one point, the roller coaster comes down, and it's literally almost just. They could almost touch you. Wow, look at that, dude. That. I think that is.

[B]

How do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down banging on the drums, dude?

[A]

It is so gnarly. I'm. I'm wrecked. It's nine minutes total.

[B]

Must do a lot for your core, too, right? Oh, hold yourself, dude.

[A]

Dude, I'm on the oxygen bottle. When I finish, I go all the way out, and then I do it all backwards.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Go back and do it backwards. And by the time I get done, I'm sitting there with the oxygen going. While Mick does a guitar solo. I just need a couple seconds because I am done.

[B]

I can imagine, man. It's incredible cardio. It's like shadow boxing for minutes at a time. Time. Hardcore. Super fast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've always admired the.

[A]

Or on the punching bag.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just constantly. And you know what that's like, man. After a minute of that, you're like,

[B]

I know the physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. Like, if you didn't play drums for, like, a few years and then picked it up again and started again, it probably take forever to get that endurance back.

[A]

Forever, dude.

[B]

It's so. Like, when you're going off, dude, you're so fast, you're going to. It's so fast, dude. It's like everything's fucking moving. You're pounding your feet and everything. Like, fuck, man.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's one of the most athletic things in all of music.

[A]

It really is, man. And. And I had this. I was like, okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high school till today, right? And I'm like, that's fucking weird. And I eat kind of whatever the fuck I want to eat. Like, I don't. There's no, I don't like, diet or, or have some strict, you know, regimented food program. I was like, I'm gonna. I. I gotta see. I. I got one of those. This was years ago. It was like a pedometer you clip onto your shoe. Like joggers would use it to see how there's like the old version. You just clipped it on your, on your shoe and it tells you how many miles you did. Like a little tachometer. Not a tachometer.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Pedometer. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So I'm like, I get one, I clip it on. I'm like, I'm wondering what. How many miles I'm doing after a two hour show. I don't know. Who knows? I know I'm sweaty as. And I'm. I'm after the show, all I hear is ringing in my ear and I'm wrecked. I'm wrecked. I'm done. And I took it off, off after the show and I looked down and it said 13.3 miles. And I was like, so that's why I don't. That's why I'm just skinny and like, I just, I sweat it out.

[B]

Travis Barker, same deal.

[A]

Same deal.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, he works out a lot as well, but it's like, same deal.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It's like incredible amounts of cardio. The amount of. I wonder how many calories you burn in a two hour show. It's got. Got to be off the charts.

[A]

Yeah. That I haven't measured.

[B]

Just because it's not just jogging. It's not like you're running 13 miles. Obviously you're sitting still. But the pounding of the arms.

[A]

Yes, yep.

[B]

And the breathing, you know, you got a control. Yeah. It's like, God.

[A]

Yeah. Everything's going, man. You're firing on a whole cylinder. For sure.

[B]

The most athletic thing in all of music. For sure. Nothing even close, right?

[A]

Yeah. No.

[B]

I mean, playing guitar as you're moving your hands and everything, but it's not. Not nearly.

[A]

Drums are like, it's More like a sport.

[B]

It really is.

[A]

It really is.

[B]

It really is. Like, you don't see a really out of shape drummer.

[A]

No.

[B]

You know, it's almost like you can't be. To keep up.

[A]

No, I know. And everybody's. You're kind of like, you're the heartbeat man. You, you're. You really. Everybody's kind of. You know, people say you're, you're, you're only as good, Your band's only as good as your drum drummer. And that's really, it's really true. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a drummer, but drummer has a lot of responsibility, man. Everybody, all the people that you see out there that are moving, I'm. I'm responsible for. For a lot of that. And I'm not saying it for all of it. Right. You sort of set the pace, you know, and, and you, you're making people physically move.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, and that, that's, that takes, that takes a lot of work, you know, so the amount of energy you're putting out, you're getting back and you're seeing it and you're like, I'm driving here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's, That's a cool place to be, but it is a responsibility and it is physical and it's training, but. But it's rad. I live for it.

[B]

Did you take lessons to learn how to drum or did you learn on your own?

[A]

I. I didn't really take lessons. I, I learned on my own until, I mean, like kind of early in. In high school, I played in the marching band, but that wasn't really like drums. That was like more like. Like a drum core stuff, like rudiments and like, you know, drum core. It not really the whole kit till later. I. I got the school, my high school to let me, or, sorry, my grade school to let me borrow at the drum. The jazz drum set at the school. And I'd bring it home and then I started just like listening to my favorite and I would just play along. And so I never really took any physical lessons. I just. In me, man, I was just like, I'm really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay, I got it.

[B]

Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks? Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way that like, like you're taught or did you just figure it out on your own?

[A]

Just. I just figured it out on my own. Just probably just moved on from the, the, the forks and the spoons.

[B]

It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their Own. Yeah, like Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down, left handed.

[A]

He just made it work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just figured out how to do it on his own. It's really interesting how like with, you know, when you just get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of around with it and

[A]

figure it out and then doing it your own way.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

And then. Whoa. Then you got your own thing, which is. That's wonderful, man.

[B]

Well, if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played, like, like you play or like Travis plays, like some elite drummer plays. It's like drums are so. It's like. It's so much more powerful now than ever before before.

[A]

I know, man. God. And then that thing happens. I don't know if you've ever been around like a, like a drum circle. The more drummers there are, like all of a sudden it just becomes this, this thing. It grows into this tribal like. Dude, everybody's just being moved by rhythm.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's so powerful. It's like, you know, I don't know that that kind of. It's. It's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody cry playing the piano, playing the right chords. Right. I watch them cry. Right?

[B]

Yeah, but.

[A]

Yeah, that's fun, man. There's nothing better than, than rhythm, man. That's. I live for that.

[B]

No, I can tell I was getting

[A]

in trouble all the time, man, in school because I'd always be like, always, always. Can you stop tapping on the tables? Yep. Sorry. We sit back in the back of class and be like making like water drip noises. Everyone's looking around for a leak. Class clown.

[B]

Well, there's something about drums that it's like a part of like tribal culture. Like from the beginning of human time. Like people pounding on drum. Yeah. They pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing wing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, to keep. Make sure everybody keeps pace. It's kind of wild.

[A]

Isn't that cool?

[B]

You know, they knew even back then there's something about the sound of drums that's important.

[A]

The, the, the, the. The heartbeat.

[B]

Do you ever around with bongos?

[A]

Oh, sure. Yeah, those. A lot of handed instruments. Bongos, congas. I just of the last couple years been playing a hand drum. People call them a hang drum. Hand drum. You know them? Have you seen them? They're like. They look like a flying saucer.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I have.

[A]

Really melodic, really beautiful zeni sounding instrument. That's cool because it's percussive and melodic. So you can come up with these really bitching depending on how the instruments tune in tuned and stuff. But that's been a lot of fun. That. That's cool. Like sort of a different kind of rhythm, but it's. It's a. It's a soothing one. It's a total opposite of the aggressive.

[B]

Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it must be fun since you've been playing drums for so long. Just experiment with different things.

[A]

I love that, man. There's. I'm always searching for a new sound, you know, a new percussive sound that moves you, makes you fucking. I don't know, that gets inside you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I'm always on the hunt, dude. I'm such a tweaker. Like, you know, find something that sonically sounds like a drum. It could be a drum, it's not. And I'll make it. I'll turn it into something that sounds like a drum. And all of a sudden of a sudden, you know, that, you know, I don't know, hitting on these elkhorns or something. Sounds like a wood block, but pitched way, way down, it sound more. Sounds like a note going. I don't know. Like I. I'm just. I love. I love percussion and rhythm. So I'm always around trying to find. Find something that moves us, you know? That's my dream job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm here to move you, man.

[B]

It's a cool job.

[A]

Yeah, I like it, man. It doesn't suck. No, it doesn't suck.

[B]

No. When. When you're working on a new song, when you're creating a new song, what is your process? Do you. Do you. Have a beat in your head? Do you. Do you sit down and just start around until something comes to you? Like, how do you do it?

[A]

You know what? It's always different. I wish I could say I had like, like a. A thing. I really don't, man. Like, you know, it'll be something that happened to me or something I'm experiencing will spark a word or a. A chant all of a sudden, you know, then that I. I'll pick up a guitar and be like, oh, this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a killer beat. This would be great. And then I'll start with a beat and then add guitars. It's never really. There's not really like a format. I just Kind of go with what? Whatever. Sort of inspiring me at the time that feel like I need to write about. Yeah. There's not really, like a way. I know a lot of people have a methodical way, like, well, I start with the lyric first. Always the lyric first. Nothing else is important. Okay. Dude, why don't we get. Why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these crazy words? Actually, no one's gonna.

[B]

Like a true drummer.

[A]

No one's gonna even get to these words if you can't get them to stay listening.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

Or to move or they'll go like, oh, this is nice.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's not to like. Isn't that the key moment when you're like, oh, this is cool before you've even heard a lyric or a melody? That's. That's kind of my object. Like, my priority is like, is it moving me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, let's go.

[B]

It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better.

[A]

It's going to give you.

[B]

Frees you up more different results.

[A]

Right. Instead of being, okay, well, it's going to start to sound the same if you keep using the same method.

[B]

Yeah. When you write, do you write down on paper or do you just. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Paper, yeah.

[B]

You ever write on computer? Or do you ever, like, just write in your own head? You ever just like.

[A]

I use a computer a lot too. A lot. For. Excuse me, for demos. That's a really quick way to, you know, where I can. I can present a song to the band where, you know, I play guitar, sing drums, bass. So I'll. I'll bring in demos that totally created by you. Yeah. Just sounds. They sound finished, you know, it's like, okay. And then, you know, and we'll go from there. So. Yeah, I. I always try to, like, you know, not. Not finish everything entirely because, you know, when you're in a band with three other guys who also create, kind of leave it open for that. But. But yeah, I use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded, sort of produce them.

[B]

It's really beautiful that, you know, Motley Crue hit in 1980. Here we are 46 years later, and you still love it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That's so awesome.

[A]

Isn't that crazy?

[B]

That's what everybody wants in this life. Something that they're passionate about. That Remains a passion. It stays. And if anything, grows as a passion, still exciting, still enticing, still captivates you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

1980, the world was a different place. I mean, think about where we were in the universe in 1980 and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. Like, we've moved how many fucking million miles miles since 1980.

[A]

I know that's. That's hard to think about.

[B]

You know, have you ever seen what the. The. You know, we. We always want to think about the sun being in the center of our solar system and the planet spinning around it. But have you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like? Like moving through space? The whole thing's moving through space. It's not stationary. It's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around.

[A]

Yeah. And everybody else is just fucking whole thing.

[B]

Thing is hurling through space. So in 1980, we were in a totally different spot in the universe.

[A]

That's crazy. That is.

[B]

The world was different. People were different. Information was different. Our version of reality was different.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Everything was different. And you wrote it out for. From answering machines to pagers, to fucking Sidekicks, to iPhones to the Internet to everything.

[A]

Like, remember the Motorola brick phone?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude, you were a pimp if you had one of those.

[A]

Fuck yeah.

[B]

Look at it. This is what it looks like. This is. See, most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing. Oh. It's how our solar system actually moves. So look, the sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space. Isn't that crazy?

[A]

Where's Earth there?

[B]

Earth is the third planet from the sun up, the blue one right there. So just think about that.

[A]

How many rips?

[B]

Yeah, how many rips have we done since 1980, bro? How we're in a different place in the universe than we were in 1980. Whoa. How far? How. Let's ask this. How far has the solar system moved through the universe since 1980? Let's ask perplexity that.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

That this is one of the best uses of AI Stupid information. Like.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, it is. It is.

[B]

I'm gonna guess 100 million miles. Just a wild guess. I have no idea. I might be off by 100 million. It's giving me light years.

[A]

Not.

[B]

Well, let me see what it looks like. Roughly two to three. I think a light year is a trillion miles.

[A]

Whoa, dude.

[B]

Two to three light years through space. Okay. How many miles is a light year? Put that in. I didn't say miles. Right, but how many miles is a light year? I think it's a trillion miles.

[A]

Fuck. We're going in.

[B]

Oh. A light year is 5.88 trillion miles, dude. Okay, so think about that. Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

Think of that.

[A]

And a trillion is a thousand billion, right?

[B]

Yes, a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the Earth moved through? So it was like two to three. It was two to three light years. Okay. And each light year is how many trillion?

[A]

Trillion.

[B]

5.88. 5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly 15 plus trillion miles.

[A]

Dude, we're old.

[B]

Old as you know, 1980, I was in junior high school.

[A]

I don't know about old, but we've traveled.

[B]

We have traveled. Yeah, we have travel.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

But that's. That's a freaky thing to think of. About how far. How we're in a different place in the universe.

[A]

Well, I thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to. To. I don't know. Just.

[B]

Just to think about, dude.

[A]

You know how many miles I Traveled, bro.

[B]

Yeah. 15 plus trillion.

[A]

Trillion.

[B]

Just since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? That had to be nuts.

[A]

It's bizarre, dude. Like, I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the fucking. I don't know, the keys to the fucking. Pretty much anything you wanted to do. Try.

[B]

What was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar?

[A]

First thing I bought was my fucking dream car. It was a fucking 82 Corvette.

[B]

T Top, nice.

[A]

T tops popped out.

[B]

What color?

[A]

It was a champagne colored.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

Yeah, it's kind of silvery gold, kind of a. Yeah, rad, dude. Like all my. I don't know. When you're a kid.

[B]

In 82, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying. Because in 82, they were still dope looking. Like, pull up a 1982 Corvette. Corvette.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're still like Mustangs look like hot dog in 82. They look terrible. They look terrible. Camaros look like everything looked like they were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope. Yeah, like, that's still dope today.

[A]

That's the color I had.

[B]

Dude, look at that.

[A]

That's the one.

[B]

Look at that. Make that bigger. Look at that. That is a dope Car today. Yeah, it's one of the only American cars from 1982 that looks dope today. Like, pull up a 1982 Mustang. 1982 Mustang is going to make you want to vomit. I know a lot of people that are, like, fans of the fox body.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Look at that.

[A]

What is that, bro? That looks like a gremlin.

[B]

It looks like straight horseshit. That's whatever the Russians did to us to make us make cars like. Or really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is.

[A]

That.

[B]

That is fucking disgusting, that is, dude. Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. Pull up a 1969 Boss 429 Mustang. Put up the pinnacle. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that motherfucker.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Look at that. Look at the difference between 1969 and that, dog. 82 extended. Look at that thing. America. That's a real car. But they. They blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers from having drugs. And they all make garbage. Except Corvette. Yeah, Corvette still stuck with that style. Style, because Corvettes were fiberglass, so they weren't as limited in terms of, like, the shapes. You know, they had those cool, swervy lines to them. And they kept those until, oddly enough, the 90s, they started getting shitty in the 90s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Look at you, dog.

[A]

Yeah, there it is, dude.

[B]

Look at you, dog. Wow. That's crazy.

[A]

That's nuts, dude.

[B]

I wonder who's got that car.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette.

[A]

Somebody.

[B]

Buddy, they have to.

[A]

You know that thing's still running.

[B]

Yeah, probably. Hopefully. Yeah, well, they. A lot of those. They take them and make resto mods out of them. Now they put like a modern engine and modern brakes and everything so they handle better and modern suspension.

[A]

Yeah, I immediate. Immediately, me and my buddy just took that car and put a blower and an injection on it. It's insane. Dude, in the glove box. This is before. Before, like now we have, you know, a bunch of super rad tuned exhaust, you know, you know, straight pipe. Loud as. This is before that. And we. We made a couple of cutouts. And in the glove box, like, if the cops were to come, you just open the glove box and take these two. They're like choke levers. And you. You pull them. Pull them out and the flaps would disconnect them and just go straight from the head headers out and bypass the mufflers. So just be like. And if the cops were coming, you just push these two choke Levers in and back to the mufflers. All quiet.

[B]

Yeah, they have switches for that. Now. A lot of cars, like custom made cars, they have exhaust switches that do that, but they don't do it to that extent. Where it just goes straight pipes.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That was fun.

[B]

That must have sounded amazing, dude.

[A]

So rad.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Like, those are two things that are like completely connected forever.

[A]

Yeah. Another rad car that I. I never got, but I always wanted to was like the. The Shelby Cobra.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

The big pipes blown right just loud as, like 4 inch exhaust, like.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Dude, that shit's throaty.

[B]

And. And just tiny little car, little fiberglass car.

[A]

Go kart with a 427 in it.

[B]

Crazy power. No weight at all. It weighs nothing.

[A]

Yeah, it just does burnouts the whole time. Too much.

[B]

I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts, like, but it freaks me out. It's like there's no protection here if you get an accident like this. There's like nothing to this car.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, you have no roof. You don't even have a roll bar. It's like, just got this little tiny windshield shield. You're. You're behind the wheel of an engine. Just a giant engine with four wheels.

[A]

Yeah. You're done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One bad move.

[B]

Pretty dope.

[A]

Yeah. Super rad.

[B]

Yeah, like one of those. Like, look at that.

[A]

Dude, I'm sorry, but that's the sickest radical looking. Oh, look at the flared wheel.

[B]

The thing is too. They make a lot of recreations now.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The old ones are worth like millions

[A]

of dollars a dude. I know.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. But you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

There's a ton of recreations now. And they're great and they look the same. And it's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money, but who cares? Just go drive it. It's awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you just look at that thing.

[A]

Jeez, bro, look at that thing.

[B]

Carbon fiber. Oh, my goodness. Look at that thing. It's all carbon fiber.

[A]

Oh, let's.

[B]

That must weigh 14 pounds.

[A]

Let's go get a couple. Dude.

[B]

Dude. Who's making that? Click on that link. Who's making that thing? Yeah, probably is. Well, I know. Yeah. Classic recreations. That same company that does those dope. 67 GT5 hundreds. They're making a classic recreations. A thousand horsepower.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

Dude, it weighs 2,300 pounds. That's nuts. A thousand but the. The body, the carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[B]

So it's 2,000 power. 2,000 pounds of suspension, frame, and wheels and engine, and that's it. Look at that. That's sick. That's so sick.

[A]

That's just straight trouble right there.

[B]

That's gonna get you in trouble.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or not. Or just enjoy yourself.

[A]

Just fun.

[B]

Yeah, but it's America.

[A]

Yeah. I love those cars.

[B]

What else did you buy that was in horsepower? I know. Preposterous.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What else did you buy? That's nuts.

[A]

When they first came out, me and my bass player bought, like, almost at the same time. Ferrari had come out with the Testarossa.

[B]

Oh, the Miami Vice car.

[A]

Totally, dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Had a car broker find me a black on black one.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

And just like, okay, this is insane. The listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a car for 200 at the time. $250,000 for the Testarossa. Get it shipped from. It came in from. From Florida to la. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats. It's brand fucking new. Back it down. The car carrier and I'm in. The dude's kind of showing me, you know, what's up. And I. I look in this, you know, to the right of the steering wheel, there's like a. Like a. Looks like a cover. So I grab it and you open it up at that where the stereo would be. I open it up and I go, where's the stereo? The guy goes, oh. Enzo believed that the music that you should be listening to is the sound of the engine. And I'm like, well, that's fucking rad and everything, Enzo. But, but, but, bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars, and I want to crank shit loud as fuck here. And breaking the speed limit, like, come on. On. Who does that? And I. So I had to go. I got a stereo. At the time, there was. There was no subwoofers. There was. A bazooka tube was available. You could drop. There's no room, too. So you could. You could get a bazooka tube behind the seats.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And some, you know, for a subwoofer and some other speakers in the doors.

[B]

Decent. Door speakers.

[A]

Decent.

[B]

They're only decent back then.

[A]

Yeah. And alpine receiver, but.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I got it to. To bump. But I just found it just shocking that, like that. That much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo.

[B]

It's pretty ridiculous.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Evening. Buyer's remorse. Buy a new car. I'll be moving in let's get started. Sorry, I think there's been a mistake. I bought it from Carvana.

[A]

You what?

[B]

Yeah. Great price. I even have seven days to love it or return it. So there's no. No. No buyers or remorse. More like buyers rejoice. I guess I'll let myself out. Congratulations. I mean it. Buyers rejoice. Buy your car today on Carvana. Limitations and exclusions may apply.

[A]

See our seven day return [e-mail] but

[B]

they did sound incredible.

[A]

And I totally get it.

[B]

Like you should be sound that those things make, it's just like. It's heavenly. It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle car sound. The muscle car sounds my all time favorite. Favorite. But there's something melodic about those Ferrari angels. There's like a sound just like it. Oh, there's a sound that it has. It's like, it's. It's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a windy road and totally, you know. Bonjourno.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, man. Man. Oh, those things are. There's something special. And again, it's a. What is that? It's a piece of passion. It's artwork. It's artwork that's, you know, made into an engineering form.

[A]

Yeah. That we get to play with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Basically a race car.

[B]

Yeah. You know, like a friend of mine, we were talking about like Ferrari. You think Ferraris are worth it? I go, listen, man, rich people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. If Ferraris weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, Trust me, they're worth it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. Yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not worth it really for a normal person. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that. The thing Ferrari up on big time is it took away the manual transmission. They that up? Yeah, they that up. Porsche is the only one who kept it. They're the only ones smart enough to realize like there's a part of the experience that you gotta. That gated shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Bring it back. Cut the.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Guys, you're silly.

[A]

Dude. Did you see the electric car they just released? Which one? The Ferrari.

[B]

Oh, it's dog, dude. They that up hardcore. That looks like a joke. It looks like. That looks like something that someone made for just to get engagement online. Like it's fake, but it's real.

[A]

I know. I couldn't. I Was like, it looks as.

[B]

Like those 1982 Mustangs.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It looks like a picture of the Ferrari electric car.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Look at Ferrari.

[A]

Look it.

[B]

Dude, it looks so boring.

[A]

What?

[B]

It's so nothing. Look at it. Even inside, like, this looks like cheap dog.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't understand it.

[A]

I don't get it either. I thought it was like a joke.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You know, like, you know, like, look at this.

[B]

It's got suicide doors, which is kind of. Kind of dope.

[A]

That's kind of cool.

[B]

But you know what? It's really dope on a 65 Continental. Not on this thing. Look at ugly, you ugly monstrosity.

[A]

That's funny you mentioned that car. That's another one of my favorites. Oh,

[B]

yeah. I know a guy who's got one for sale that's a resto mod. And I'm really thinking, oh, boy. It's a 65 black convertible with the suicide doors. And it's just. Dude, mint. It's mint. And it's got a new engine in it, like a modern engine. And it's got a perfect suspension and it looks so radical. There's something about that car. Especially in a convertible. The 65.

[A]

The convertible is my. That's my. Oh, jam right there.

[B]

Good luck parking anywhere. Yeah, you might as well be parking a yacht.

[A]

It's like a boat, dude.

[B]

It's so big. It's so big. It's so big, but it's so sick. It's just. I can't understand how Ferrari can make. Now I want you to pull up a Ferrari 458 Italia. So I think the 458 is their masterpiece. I think it's the best looking Ferrari that they ever made.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the 458. It just. They nailed it. You look at that. Oh, my God. Look at that thing. That is a work of art. Yeah, it's so beautiful. And it's. It's. A lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. When you draw. It also doesn't have a manual transmission, which sucks a fat dick, but other than that. Go back to that last picture that you had of that. That one. Look at that one. Make that bigger. Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture, but, God, it's beautiful. Amazing. Those are beautiful. Now think of the company that made that, also made that. Go to that black one right There, where your cursor just was. Click on that one. Oh, baby, look how sick that is.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And how do you go from that, that to that electric piece of you guys just released? I don't know you, you for doing that. How dare you.

[A]

I, I, I bought A, an F8, the Tributo.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Which is very, very similar to. Yeah, and that car is badass.

[B]

No, they make incredible cars. They make incredible. And somehow or another less douchey than a Lamborghini. I don't know how they did it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? It's like something about a Ferrari that you have one. It's sophisticated, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like, look at this douchebag. Yeah. Lamborghinis are awesome. Yeah, they're awesome.

[A]

But why is that, why are they like attached to. I guess because it's kind of like, I don't know, I don't know, maybe rappers or something and started, I don't know because started leasing them too.

[B]

And it doesn't make any sense. It's like there's something about them that's more ostentatious, it's more obnoxious.

[A]

The doors maybe just like, just too showy.

[B]

I know. I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari. He's a rich guy and he loves Ferraris. I can't travel Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just, I don't, I feel like a douchebag. I'm like, okay, I know what you're saying. There's a, there's a real thing there. But I don't know. What, why? Because Lamborghinis are amazing.

[A]

Yeah, they too have an amazing sound.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Different from Ferrari. A little higher, whinier.

[B]

But, but they bark.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Yeah, like, what is the latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that they just released last year. That's, it's insane. It's as wide as a trailer. It's, it's huge.

[A]

Extra.

[B]

I don't know the name of it. I've never had a Lamborghini.

[A]

Yeah, me either.

[B]

I drove one once on a track. It was a little loose. Which one's that? Tamarino Tamarario, Temerario. That looks amazing.

[A]

Whoa, dude.

[B]

Yeah, that's pretty e. That one. There we go. Huracan. That's another sick.

[A]

Oh, the Huracan.

[B]

Yeah, that's a little smaller and lighter, I think.

[A]

Yeah, dude.

[B]

It's also amazing. You give an 18 year old kid that kind of power in A car and you're still alive.

[A]

I, I know, I know. Oh dude. Yeah. Those, those kind of cars will, will definitely check you. Keep you in check too. Because it's, it's not until you know, over 100 miles an hour, getting closer to 200 miles an hour to where you're in that car and you're like, it hits you, you go, if I make one fucking tiny little error here, it's over.

[B]

It's over, it's over.

[A]

The motor's in the fucking back and if this thing runs into off the road or whatever, it's just going to accord in right into me and you're, you're, you're done.

[B]

It's kind of amazing. You just buy one. You know, I thought about that. Now like they have the new Corvette ZR1. It has a thousand horsepower.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

From the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership if you got the cash, slap down some money and you have a thousand horsepower car that goes zero to 60 in two seconds. And you just go out there and like buy. Just good luck,

[A]

be safe.

[B]

Yeah. Like what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that like that? You have to have a pilot's license to drive one of those things.

[A]

Totally. Or just you know, racetrack only, whatever.

[B]

Right. But imagine you're an 18 year old rock star. Here you go, dude, you've got one. And back then the Corvettes like yours, especially when you put a blower on it, Those things had no traction control. They had zero anti lock brakes. There's no nanny, There was nothing to protect you.

[A]

No.

[B]

It was just madness, pure madness. Did you ever take it to a track or anything?

[A]

No, never did.

[B]

Have you ever driven around a track? You've done that?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's fun.

[A]

Yeah, that is fun. Yeah, that is fun. I went to, I spent some time at the Skip barber school.

[B]

Oh really?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Of course. The libra in me has to learn about everything about the apex and study.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like there's, there's a lot of physical and you know, technical things about driving.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

If you don't understand about going into a turn at 100 miles an hour, you're going to die, you know.

[B]

So I was like, we're definitely gonna spin out. Yeah. Learning, learning how to do it is, was really interesting to me. It was really interesting to realize like the lines that you take. Like you don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. No. You're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge and cutting the lines. To make a quicker time and knowing when to break, knowing when you accelerate. And it's so interesting.

[A]

It's a lot, man.

[B]

Very technical.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You think you're just kind of steering the car? Like. No, no, no, no. There's a lot of decisions to be made. There's a lot going on, especially on a really windy turn. Turn like this. That's what Coda looks like. That's the track.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Circuit of the Americas. And that. That one is like. There's so much turns, and there's a long straightaway. You could really get after it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's not even about the acceleration. A lot of times it's about the braking.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, breaking and turning, dude. But it's like. That's one of the things that I say, like, is really worth it about having money is like experiencing a great car because it's like an amusement park ride.

[A]

Us.

[B]

Even when you're not even going fast, just driving normal speeds around, it's like if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like an amusement park ride. You know, it's not. It's not just. You're not just driving a car.

[A]

You're.

[B]

You're experiencing something that, you know, the other people are. You're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of electric car. You're not experiencing that.

[A]

No.

[B]

You know?

[A]

No, no. You're. You're just grooving on the M1 emblem.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That could have been a Hyundai easily.

[A]

Dude. I couldn't believe it. I was like, they did not do this well.

[B]

I hope they rebound.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I hope they, like, smack somebody who made that and go, hey, bro, they will.

[A]

I think one of the designers was one of the guys who was involved in designing the iPhone, and it looks like it. No, that's what's got. That's why it's got all the. I was. Yes. No, that. And so.

[B]

That guy's awesome. How did he do that?

[A]

That started to make sense. I was like, okay.

[B]

I would ask him before I even talked to him about him, like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car? What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an Escort like, you okay? Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I have a Prius. Go eat. Eat all the shit that's ever been. Shit.

[A]

Fuck you out of the design room.

[B]

You can't. You can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you. You made an iPhone. You're going to make it look sleek and plain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, it's got to look like art. You. Someone's paying a quarter million dollars for this thing and now a lot more.

[A]

I think the electric car is, I want to say 3, 330.

[B]

I bet they're going to sell 2, right? 2. 2. Super Richards are going to buy that thing.

[A]

Nobody going to spend $400,000 on this electric, electric thing. Yeah.

[B]

Meanwhile, the other cars they make are.

[A]

Yeah, I know. What the.

[B]

You guys, what is the. The latest one. What is the. The what is their. Their main one now? The sleek, wicked one looks the advanced version of the 458. Like the one they have now. Like what is it called? SF.

[A]

Is it called SF90?

[B]

SF90. Yeah, that's what it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

SF90. That thing's insane.

[A]

That's gorgeous.

[B]

Yeah, dude, that's a gorgeous car.

[A]

My favorite.

[B]

How do they go from an SF90? They're selling that at the same time as they're selling the sunka junk. SF90 is one of the best looking cars ever.

[A]

Yeah, it's incredible.

[B]

Pull up a picture of one of those. Jamie. I'm on their website and if you.

[A]

Dude, have you seen the body? I love the LaFerrari. The body style and the la. Ferrari.

[B]

Yeah, that. That's it. That's the one.

[A]

Oh, dude, that's got some LaFerrari in the ass end.

[B]

Oh. So this is like all the cars they've ever made. I'm on their website. Yeah. Oh, no, I understand. This is all the cars that they make and all the cars that like. That's gorgeous, man. That's gorgeous.

[A]

Hit the LaFerrari. Yeah. Dude,

[B]

look at that thing. What is the F80? Click on the F80. Oh, my God. God. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. When it says all models, they don't have the. What is it? What I was looking for. I was trying to find what. I went to the website to find their newest car. I know, but I think like some of them. It's not the newest car. Like it might have been like last year, a year ago. Well, they would be sharing it somewhere on here, I would imagine. No, it's real, Jamie. We just Google for. Okay. I'm just saying, just Google put. Pull up an image of Ferrari 2024. Ferrari SF90 and you'll see it. There it is. That's it.

[A]

Oh, the wing.

[B]

That's. That's one. That's like prime for racing. But you go to images, please. There we go. That's it. So how does a company make that like, look how gorgeous that is. That's incredible. That's so beautiful.

[A]

I know.

[B]

How does the company make that? And then that Johnny Ivey piece of shit fucking thing.

[A]

There was like three. Three dudes. One dude like I guess designed the iPhone. And there's a couple, there's two other designers involved.

[B]

They probably work for Lamborghini. They're probably, they're probably spies. They probably, you know, they infiltrated and decided to like ruin it from the inside. Probably the same guy that made Billy Squire's music video.

[A]

Dude. That guy's got to be stopped.

[B]

That guy, he's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire. I could do this to Ferrari.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I can thank them.

[A]

I took Ferrari down.

[B]

Yeah. With one one whack ass electric car

[A]

as I sold them a phone design. Yeah.

[B]

Just. But you know, that's what happens. Happens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart, that are artistic around, that are going to look at that and go, hey, hey, hey.

[A]

No. Yeah. No. Yeah. What's with all the yes men? There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing?

[B]

I don't know how the who signed off on that ever got greenlit by someone at Ferrari. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made and then look at that one and goes a perfect.

[A]

Yeah. A perfection.

[B]

No, no, nobody was doing that. I don't get it.

[A]

No.

[B]

But you know, companies make blunders.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, every now and then a band puts out a shitty record.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

It happened.

[A]

It happens. It happens. I get it.

[B]

I mean, Ferrari, still Ferrari, they'll bounce back. But you know, guys, they can always

[A]

go, hey, we're not in the electric car business, okay? We up.

[B]

Well, that's what they probably should because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want. Want them, you know, like the Porsches, the Taycans, like those Audis, like the Audi ones that are just like a couple of years old there. You can get them for like half price.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nobody wants them.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Nobody wants electric cars. Especially used electric cars.

[A]

Yeah. That's weird.

[B]

It is. But if you think about it like electronics we think of as disposable. Right.

[A]

You think?

[B]

You know what, you don't want to buy someone's phone from 10 years ago.

[A]

No. No.

[B]

Right. So you don't want to buy a Tesla from 10 years ago either.

[A]

No.

[B]

Right. Meanwhile, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A 10 year old Tesla. It's a awesome car.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you don't want it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Engines, that's a different story.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like a 2005 Porsche. Still very valuable. People love those.

[A]

Oh yeah, those things have gone through the roof lately. Like with the Porsches. Yeah. Know so many guys that are just, just like buying them up, collecting them.

[B]

Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb, people like, they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars. The actual experience of it. Yeah, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music and everything, people are going to want to see live performances more, you

[A]

know, and no out.

[B]

Yeah, I think they, they, they want that experience. The experience of like raw live. Something that makes you feel alive.

[A]

Something all about the experience, man. All about it.

[B]

Are you, you guys are touring again?

[A]

Yeah. Coming up mid July, we're out.

[B]

How pumped are you for that?

[A]

Couple months. So pumped. Cuz I've actually, we've been home. We just, we, we did this big stadium tour with Def Leppard. Went all around the world. That tour was fuck, two and a half years long. Wow. Like, dude, that's insane. So, and I started to realize I'm like, fuck, I can't remember the last time I've been home. Like with the, with the break, like we intentionally were like, let's just fucking take a year or more than a year off. And it wasn't until 2016 was the last time we had like taken a, taken a break. So for me it's just been fucking wonderful. I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home. And now going into summer now we're getting ready to go back out. But just having that time at home was really cool. So I'm super. The grass is always greener, dude. When you're out there ripping it, you're like, this is red. And then after a while you're like, I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed. You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and then, then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I gotta get out of here.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know, I gotta go.

[B]

Go do the.

[A]

So it's. I don't know. That's a weird balance. You know, you're, you're, you're happy until it's too much and then you know.

[B]

Well, it's just achieving the balance. But it's awesome that you still love it so much after all. All these years.

[A]

Oh, man, it really is, dude. Let me just tell. There's nothing better than imagine. Right, let's trade places for a second. You're back there, you're playing drums, and you've been doing this for a while. Long enough to see this is the best in the world. You see your fans. All of a sudden, your fans have had children. Now their children are on the shoulders of their. Of their parents who were your fans. Now they're bringing their kids to the show and their kids are on their dad's shoulder going, shout, shout. With the devil horns up. And you're like, you're sitting there going like, dude, that kid, what is he, 10?

[B]

And he's just, you know, and he's air drumming.

[A]

Yeah. Just to see that you're.

[B]

You've.

[A]

You've sort of, you know, you've. I don't know, just. You've done a full circle to where now it's the whole nother generation that's just now seeing this for the first time. And they're. And you. And you're sitting back there playing going, like, that's pretty incredible.

[B]

It's pretty incredible.

[A]

That. That doesn't get old, man. To. To watch that happen is probably why the. Become the reason why I love it so much. That really, like, puts a nail in it. You know what I mean? That's. That's like. Then that can only be achieved through. Through time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. So that's. That's nothing I've ever experienced until. Until recently. The last few years, I. You look out and you see a whole bunch of kids, man. Man. And they're all just checking it out for the first time, maybe. Wow. For sure. Some of them, right? And you're like, dude, this is wild. Wild.

[B]

That's awesome, man.

[A]

Yeah, that's beautiful.

[B]

You've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing ride, and I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much.

[A]

Thanks, bud. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you for being here, man. It was really cool, dude. Really enjoyed it.

[A]

Thank you for having me, man.

[B]

My pleasure. It's my pleasure.

[A]

I've been wanting to come by and see you and come hang out and talk.

[B]

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