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Joe Rogan podcast.
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Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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What's up?
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What's going on?
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What's happening?
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Chaos. I love it.
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Everything.
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Yeah. The world's crazy center of the storm, I think.
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I think the world's back at war today again, like, officially, right?
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I don't know.
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I don't think that agreement with Iran lasted at all.
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Which one?
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I think there's. There was bombings today in Lebanon and I think there's bombings today in American bases. I try to not pay attention, dude. I really do.
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Yeah.
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I try to distract myself with science stuff and space. I was watching this documentary yesterday on how they make chips. Like how they make, like, semiconductor chips, dude. This fucking machine that they use. I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because it's bananas. It's like one of the most complex machines in the world. And this. This machine they use to make semiconductors make chips. And they were explaining the process of making these chips. How fucking nuts it is, man.
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The.
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The amount of atoms that are stacked on and like, the way they do it to make these, like, super complex high end ch. There's people out there, Tony, that are doing things way different than us. Okay. We're out there talking about sucking dicks
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and
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people shitting themselves. And what's going on in other parts of the world is people are doing science fiction. Like they're. They're actually doing science fiction. Here it is. Give me a second. I like to save things. Here it is. The world's most important machine.
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It's an hour long.
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Yes. Did you find it? Yeah. Just an hour long. Yeah. But go. Just go to the. There's some animation where they show how they make these things. Like it was right where you were at.
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This is right the beginning.
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Yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. So they're just showing some of the. The different aspects of how these things are. Go back to where that guy had the laser beam. That's perfect, actually, where that guy had the laser beam. So this is him explaining this. So look at this. Back it up a little bit and give me some volume. Back it up a little bit, please.
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I want to introduce it to you with a thought experiment. Imagine you are shrunk down to the size of an end and you're given a laser that's strong enough to melt through metal like butter. Next, a tiny droplet of molten tin, roughly the size of a white blood cell is shot out in front of you around 250 kilometers per hour. And your Task is to hit this not once, not twice, but three times in a row in 20 microseconds with your little laser. Well, that is exactly what this machine does. It hits one tiny tin droplet three times in a row, heating each one up to over 220,000 kelvin. That's roughly 40 times hotter than the surface of the sun. And it doesn't just hit one droplet. It hits 50,000 droplets every single second. How often do you miss a laser shot?
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We don't miss them.
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What, you do 150,000 laser shots a second and you don't miss one?
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Exactly.
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The same machine also contains mirrors that might just be the smoothest objects in the universe. If you scale one up to the size of the Earth, then the largest bump would be no thicker than a playing card.
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What? On top of that, it is able
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to overlay one layer of a chip perfectly on top of another and never be off by more than five atoms. And this is all happening while parts of the machine whip around at accelerations of over 20 GS. For 30 years, almost everyone thought that actually building this machine was impossible. And yet it exists. There is only one company in the world that can make it. So what is this company and what is this impossible machine they've built? This video is.
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That's it.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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What are they doing with that?
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All computers, like computer chips that are getting better and better and better. All these AI chips, this is how they make them.
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One interesting thing I can just add. I know when they make those, they make like a big sheet of chips, you know, like there'll be like 30 or 50 on them. They'll test each one and the ones that are the best, like test out like 1 out of 100. Ones that are like closest to 100 become like the i9 chip. And if it's like 85 out of 100, it becomes like the nice 7 chip. They all come off the same sheet. It's like the best ones become the best chips. They sell them for the most money. The next one's kind of just a little degraded.
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No kidding. Interesting. So there was that issue with that Samsung chip factory, and it was about the. They weren't getting the results that they wanted. So it's probably. They were getting more of the shitty chips. Yeah, they want not enough of the perfect chips.
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Yeah, they want really high end chips and they're really.
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You could smoke. We have a fan in here, dude.
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Sweet.
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Yeah. I mean, imagine if everybody died and it was just us in this room and there was like Three late. Well be more than that. We'd have to have more people, otherwise we're going to fuck up the gene pool. We're all going to look like the English royals we need. We probably need a few thousand people. A few thousand people like regular people like you and I that don't know shit about how these things work.
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Yeah.
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How much time would we need if we repopulated the earth with what we know? Basically you're starting out like a fucking, like a half assed prepper. You know, like someone was on an episode of Lost. You know, like one of those plane crash people trying to figure out how to survive out there.
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You're fucked.
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Oh yeah, you're not inventing that. How long is it going to take?
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Infinity.
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And how many people have to pave the way? This is the thing. For every one of these people that makes an invention like this, you're making this on the back of thousands and thousands and thousands of super geniuses that have figured out each and every step of the way that can lead you to thinking, is this possible? That we could do this? Next know they all build on each other. So you need all these guys and hopefully they don't get any pussy because otherwise they're going to get distracted. You know, I bet if one of them gets a hot wife, like one of their patents kicks and they start making bank and then all of a sudden he shows up for work in a Ferrari and next you know, he's got a hot wife, everybody's like, oh my God.
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Yeah, civilization just went back 100, 200 years.
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We're going to lose Tim.
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Yeah, Tim.
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Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18 hours a day trying to figure out how to get us to Mars. Actually, that's a bad point because Elon clearly gets and doesn't seem to be affecting him at all.
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I think Elon's different.
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Yeah, I think some people are different, different, different.
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It's fascinating how many people want to find flaws in what he's doing instead of just looking at this like, wow, this is an extraordinary time to be alive. But it's because of this narrative that people have. One of them, the big one is this US aid is killing people narrative that people have died because of US Aid. Then a bunch of people have given examples of how them cutting the funding has led to the end of certain people's lives. Like where they were in hospitals that didn't have any funding. And there's a lot of that that you could point to, say, right, if they had the money, they would have had the funding and they would have had that equipment in place. Or maybe they wouldn't have. But here's the other thing that's not discounting the fact that a lot of that money is fraud. Yeah, a lot of it. Like, it's not a little amount. And the idea that you should let it go on because it's going to save lives and there's a bunch of people that are stealing money. Okay, I see that argument, but why are we sending them money in the first place? Like, what's. Did we do something to them? Do we owe them money? No. Okay. We're just being nice. Are you sure? We're just being nice? Is there anybody profiting off of us being nice? Because usually just being nice for no reason and just giving tax money away for no reason, I don't think they do that. I don't think that's real. I used to think that was real. I used to think that charity was real. And now I look at, I go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's wrapped up in virtue. It's wrapped up in a nice, cozy bl and compassionate and virtuous and doing good things for people all around the world. I think a lot of people get involved in those things because that's what they think we're gonna do. Good things around the world. They're good people. I really believe that. And then they find out how it really works, and then they get stuck in that system, and then they're making their way up their, you know, air quotes, corporate ladder to the point where some of them are making a million dollars a year. And you're like, what is this? Yeah, what is this? This is a business. This isn't really charity. Most of the money is going to your employees and your overhead and your. Why do you have such a big building? Like, what are you doing? How come you're not just funneling the money to these people?
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Exactly.
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Like the LA fire aid. Great example. Spencer Pratt told me how many. What number did he say of nonprofits got that money? So over $100 million gets raised. I don't know the exact total. All of it goes to these different nonprofits. I think he said 200 different nonprofits got the money.
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Yeah.
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So. And then what happens to that? Well, they just pay their employees, they pay overhead, they pay their rent on nice office on wherever they live. Fuck, man. It's so disheartening because you.
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You've.
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So that's what all that stuff is. And it's also, if you listen to it, when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a few times and explains usaid, people think of it as aid. You think of it as, oh, we're helping the world. Which is great. Right. But it's not that. It's the Agency for International Development, and it involves funding rap bands overseas that are the subversive rap bands that are supposed to excite people to take over the government. There's like a bunch of, like, weird shit. Funds rebels. It funds newspapers. And what was he talking about? Like, there was a lot of it, like, funding rap music. This is crazy. People have long said that rap music, even though, listen, you love hip hop. I know you just got back from Kanye West. I'm a huge hip hop fan.
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We gotta talk about that at some point.
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We definitely do. I love hip hop. But there's some people that believe that gangsta rap in particular, when it came about in the 1980s, was a part of the push to popularize it and produce. It was a part of the government, some faction of the government. Some faction, some intelligence agencies wanting to create more crime, wanting to fill more private prisons, wanting to erode the fabric of society so they could push for more laws to keep you safer. This is like the. One of the most tinfoil of tinfoil hat conspiracies. But people are pointing out that right now it's like one of the rare times where no rap music is on the charts.
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Yeah.
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And they're saying, well, how does this coincide with usaid? Was USAID like, actively promoting rap music? Was that one of the reasons why rap music was so popular? Is that real? That can't be real.
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Maybe back in the day, it seems like that would be more manipulative. I don't see how I believed that
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until I heard mumble rap. I'm like, this makes. This is not real. This is trying to make people stupid. Yeah, there's. There's something about this, you know, and obviously some artists are better at it than. Some of them are fun the way they do it. But I'm saying there's a giant chunk of them that are inaudible. You don't know what they're like. Who's. Who's into this?
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Oh, almost all of them are Inaudible like, what.
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What's going on there? Imagine if, like, that was it. It was like, people heard Nas and, like, this guy's too smart. We got to dumb it down a little.
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Right.
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We got to promote some people that could barely talk. Yeah, we got to promote some people that are on cough syrup, apparently. Yeah, that's what. Have you ever done that? Cough syrup?
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No.
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They seem to love it. Yeah, a lot of dudes who are into that. That cough syrup, man, they. They swear by it.
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It's crazy. It's got to be fun. It's got to be enjoyable.
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Is it codeine? Is that what they're doing?
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I think so.
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Have you done it, Jamie? But we talked about this before. But I remember back in the 90s, I got a hold of some Nyquil, the real Nyquil. Like, I guess they changed the formula for Nyquil, and I had, you know, whatever, the flu or something, and I took some Nyquil, and I was laying in bed. I was like, this is wonderful. Yeah, it was wonderful. Like, the. Just the warmth, the softness of the pillows and the warmth of the bed with the covers over me, like, oh, this is wonderful. And I remember thinking, ooh, this is dangerous.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like, this is a dangerous feeling. Because if your life was. And you found that, like, that's better than anything else that's happening in your life.
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Yeah.
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And you can get it at cvs.
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Crazy.
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What was in the old nyquil before they switched it.
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I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm afraid of medicine.
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So this stuff probably was, like, sitting in my house if I took it. So it might have even been older than 97 or 98 whenever this was that I was sick. But I'll never forget it, because then I never get, like, getting scared. Like, I could love this. Like, I could just drink this during the day and just, like, sit on my back porch if I have the day off.
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Yeah.
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Just get obliterated with Nyquil and just enjoy the universe.
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I told you about that time I took a half of the pain pill that the dentist gave me for my wisdom tooth. I was like, oh, fuck. This is life changing.
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It says the earliest Nyquil formula include ephedrine, which is a decongestant, doxym, dox, doxylamine succinate, which is an antihistamine, acetaminophen, dextro, meth, methorphan, cough suppressant, and about 25 alcohol. Oh, I was getting drunk too. Wow. What changed? The mid-2000s, after the combat methamphetamine, there it Is they removed pseudo ephedrine. So was that the stuff? So it wasn't codeine, but is there. I think there is Nyquil with Codeine, though, right? What I had was pretty good. I don't think it was as simple.
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Yeah. You had the stuff they could make meth out of or whatever.
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Yeah. Okay. We'll put it in Perplexity. And Perplexity says in the mid 2000. Yeah. NyQuil brands sold in the US do not contain codeine. And there's never been a standard Vicks Nyquil with codeine and its active ingredient lineup. Typical Nyquil form. So codeine. So does any cough syrup have codeine in it?
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That's what lean is.
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They add it. Or is it just prescription cough syrup?
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That was the whole thing about it.
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Maybe I am fucking up my memory, and maybe it wasn't Nyquil, because whatever it was, it seemed like fucked up off Nyquil.
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But you have to drink, like, the whole bottle. You get Nyquil, like, just get fucked up.
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I definitely didn't drink the whole bottle. I know I took a dose, like, a strong dose.
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That means you're just getting up off 25% alcohol and a little bit of. Maybe a little bit of side mess.
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See, the thing is, it's so long ago, I can't remember. I say Nyquil because it's like saying Q tips.
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Yeah.
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You know, or Kleenex. Just because it's tissues or ear swabs. I don't know if it was Nyquil, but it was cough syrup. Whatever the. It was. And I felt wonderful. And I remember thinking, like, this could be a real problem like that one day in bed. Because I'm always scared of stuff like that. I'm always scared to get. I knew too many people when I was growing up that got hooked on stuff.
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Yeah.
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And it just derailed their life. So lying in bed, I was like, oh, you can't do this again. No more of this, right? I like it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I got a knee surgery once. They gave me morphine. They made morphine in a drip. And they say that you can only hit that button so many times. It stops giving to you.
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Yeah.
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But every time you feel pain, you just hit the button. Because I was on, like, a perpetual motion machine.
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Yeah.
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So my legs going. And I'm just this bang, bang, bang, bang.
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Yeah.
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The closest I come to that, because I've never had like a serious surgery or anything, but I go to this. They have a dental office here in Austin called the Austin Dental Spa. So their whole thing is like a luxurious dental experience. And they will hook you up to laughing gas. And they let you, like. If they're like. They're like, you want a little more? And I'm like, okay, yeah. And that's like the closest I get to it is once every six months or so. I go there and dude, I'm always excited about this fucking experience. It is so awesome.
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Do you ever come up with bits after doing laughing gas? No, but give me any idea.
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No, but during the thing, it makes me weirdly honest. You ever seen in Kill Bill when he shoots her in the knee with the honest gun? Because he was a chemist for like a living. It's like his secret job. So he comes up with this truth serum. And I've noticed that it makes me, like, weirdly very honest. So one time when I was in the dental office, the guy's doing whatever, and I'm like. And I'm jacked on laughing gas because it's not really. You're not really like cracking up. You're just like in heaven. And you're like. It's kind of smiling ear to ear. And I remember going like, how long did you go to school for dental school? And he's like, whatever. The answer is like eight years. And I'm like, did you ever think about going longer and becoming a real doctor? And then I. And I realized, like, kind of in the moment, even though I was up, like, that's. That sounds mean, but I think they're totally used to it. I think they know that laughing gas makes people.
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I bet they're not used to that. Dude, that's so mean.
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It's not supposed that's what I'm saying is it's like a dangerous real doctor, a dangerous truth serum.
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Some people want to be dentists. Yeah, we need them, too.
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Yeah. You know, crazy gig. Yeah, It's a weird one.
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I know. You match us. Bad breath, they smell.
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Oh. And just weird things lodged in teeth for God only knows how long.
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When I got my root canal, one of the reason why I had to get it is because I had a cap on my tooth or a filler, whatever it is. What's it called? No, when they just fill your tooth up, why can't I remember fillings? Why did I say filler?
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Whatever.
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Yeah, it was an old school one. You know, it was like white plastic. And when I was a kid, I used to have them. They were like fucking lead. They used to give you lead fillings, which is crazy. Like kids had lead in their mouth and it was hurting. It was bothering me. So what had happened was I had cracked the tooth and it had gotten infected underneath the filling. So he takes the filling out and drills into it and. And the smell that came out of my mouth, it was so. It was pus. All this pus came out and this horrific smell. I was like, oh, my God, is that coming out of my mouth?
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Yeah.
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He's like, oh, that's normal. It's decay.
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Right?
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There's an infection under here. We're going to treat it. You're going to be fine.
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Yeah. Piece of elk from seven years ago.
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This is a long time ago. This is a long time ago. It was before I was hunting, I think, but it was. I. You know, people die from that stuff, which is really crazy. Like, if you don't take care of your teeth and you get that kind of infection, those kind of infections can become septic.
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Yeah, well, it's nuts. Sometimes I'll do a thing where I'll water floss after I brush my teeth just to see what would have been left in there if I just did what normal humans do. Because high pressure water flossers that I fucking love, complete game changer for life. And it's insane what will jet out of there. It gets stuck deep in between the teeth and everything. And, you know, I think you're. I would. For the most part, I do it before I brush. But every once in a while I'll be like, I wonder if there's anything left in there, you know?
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Yeah, you have to floss. Yeah, you're gonna get a bunch of shit stuck in there. But.
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And even then, sometimes I'll regular floss and then brush my teeth and just out of curiosity, go, I wonder if there's anything left in there. And I'll do a once over with the water flosser, and you see, like, dink, dink, dink, Three little things come out. It's like, that would have marinated in between my teeth or in the back of my gum line or whatever.
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Yeah, that's not good. But according to my dentist, he thinks it's all sugar. He thinks if you go back and you look at, like, when people started developing serious cavities, it's. People have always had abscesses and broken teeth, and there's always been, like, dental problems that haunted people because back in the day, man, they just pull the tooth out and then who knows what kind of infection you still have in there, and they don't treat it. In the 1700s, if you broke your tooth and got an infection, you could be fucking dead. You know, you could die from that shit. But he was saying that the. The amount of cavities, like, steeply increased when people started putting sugar in everything. And then kids started drinking sugary sodas and eating sugary candy. And that stuff gets stuck in your teeth. Like, I think that's the cause of it.
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Yeah.
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And probably high fructose corn syrup is probably just as bad or if not worse than actual sugar.
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That stuff's not good for your body, that's for sure. Your body doesn't like it. Someone explained to me what's the difference in absorption of high fructose corn syrup versus natural cane sugar. I completely forget how they explained it, but they were basically saying that there's some issues with how the body breaks it down. Well, when you drink a soda, just think about that. Where in nature do you get 20 grams of sugar just in liquid form? And you just pump it down? Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug. Ah, refreshing.
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Crazy. My buddy that I went to school with just flew in from Hawaii, which is where he's lived for like, 20 years. He's like. I think he's like, wilderness guy. Climbs trees and cuts down his own pineapples and coconuts and stuff all the time. He's. He's got a great life. And he. He checked a bag this trip just a few days ago, and he brought it to the mothership because that's where we met up. And he surprised me with this checked bag that was like. That had the moldings built in and everything, and had four coconuts and two white Hawaiian pineapples, I think they're called, which like run like $65 each or something in the US like the. It's impossible to get. And according to him, I don't know, he's a real hippie, dippy type.
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Is that the dude that you brought to the mothership?
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Yeah, yeah. Anthony. Yeah.
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Your friend from high school.
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A
Yep.
- [26:40]
C
Which is crazy.
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A
Yeah, he's the. He's the man. He's just a real dude.
- [26:43]
C
That's crazy when you know people for that long.
- [26:45]
A
Yeah, yeah.
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C
And so this dude is just living in Hawaii, living his best life.
- [26:50]
A
And I mean, holy shit. These fucking pineapple. He's like, dude, you're going to love this. Pineapple, Pineapple, pineapple. He just kept going on about it. I'm like, all right. Okay. Sure enough. Holy fucking shit, man. Nature can deliver you a sugar dose. Because he was saying that white Hawaiian pineapples have higher sugar but much lower acidity than what we're used to. So it makes a whole different. And since obviously it's natural sugar and this and that, it just makes a whole different type of fruit. It's crazy.
- [27:20]
C
Sounds good.
- [27:21]
A
Wild how we have to go other places to get. Unbelievable.
- [27:24]
C
Well, of course. Hawaii.
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A
Yeah.
- [27:26]
C
Hawaii really should be its own country. Yeah, I listen, I love Hawaii. I'm glad they're protected by the United States. People are cool. As it should be its own country. It's five hours by plane.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Come on, man.
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A
Yeah.
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C
White pineapples, primarily known as sugarloaf or white jade pineapples. Highly prized rare variety grown in Hawaii. Unlike standard yellow, they feature creamy white flesh, particularly practically no acidity. And a complex, completely edible core.
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A
It was great. And he climbs a goddamn tree like a little monkey boy. Normal little white dude.
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C
How did he wind up in Hawaii?
- [28:07]
A
He's a real free spirit. He always was. I think he just went out there, visited and stayed. He's the kind of guy that just gets a one way ticket places and figures it out as he goes. He's in Youngstown right now. That shows you how adventurous and crazy he is. He's like, I'm gonna spend a week and a half there. I'm like, a week and a half in Youngstown.
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C
Why is he doing that?
- [28:27]
A
Visit family and friends.
- [28:29]
C
Is there a good hotel to stay at?
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A
And I even had to look this up recently because I'm like, I'm not staying at the crazy hotel that I stayed at last time I was there. So I'm like, best hotel in Youngstown. And the funniest thing Is the actual closest option was in Pennsylvania, like 50 minutes away. Truly. I mean, there's one like Double Tree downtown, but it's in an area of absolute chaos. I mean, just death wish.
- [28:58]
C
Do you ever go back there and go, I can't believe I grew up here.
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A
Always 100% of the time. I got a feeling for it immediately when I went to LA and I didn't hear police sirens anymore, like as often at least. You know what I mean?
- [29:11]
C
Is that funny? Like LA with LA's crime.
- [29:14]
A
That's what I always thought. I'm like, oh, this is going to be crazy. I've heard these Tupac songs like, this is going to be nuts. And it was.
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C
That was usaid.
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A
So peaceful. Yeah, exactly. So peaceful. In Youngstown, at least when I was growing up there, you could hear a police siren or an ambulance siren almost at any point of the day.
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B
God.
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A
My buddy sent me a shirt recently too. Another buddy that has the stats on it of us being the murder capital. I think it was 90, 91 and 96. Per capita. Not the biggest population, but per capita, it was the most dangerous place you could be. When I was in those most developmental years when a kid shouldn't be having his head next to the window. Yeah, there it is. I got that shirt.
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C
Wow.
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A
Four time defending champion, Murder capital of America.
- [30:08]
C
Wow.
- [30:09]
A
Yep. In 01 02, that puts me as a sophomore and junior in high school. And you 95. 97. I'm 11 12.
- [30:17]
C
And you're being raised by your mom?
- [30:18]
A
Yeah, on the north, on the craziest fucking area of the whole goddamn thing. The most dilapidated part of the north side of Youngstown.
- [30:28]
B
Wow.
- [30:29]
A
Yeah. I can't believe it. That's why like every part of my fucking story, I'm like, this is so goddamn weird. So weird.
- [30:39]
C
It is when you think about it. Right? When you really stop and think about it, it doesn't seem real. 60 years ago, this Ohio city was named Crimetown, USA. Yeah, crime town. 75 bombings.
- [30:50]
A
Yep.
- [30:50]
C
Oh, this is the mob days.
- [30:52]
A
Yeah.
- [30:52]
C
So it used to be a mob run town, right?
- [30:56]
A
Totally.
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C
They were called Bomb town.
- [30:58]
A
Yeah, it was. A Youngstown tune up is a car bomb.
- [31:01]
C
Look at this. 75 bombings, 11 killings in a decade and no one seems to care.
- [31:09]
A
They were so nuts in Youngstown that somebody tried to kill the actual prosecutor, the actual da.
- [31:16]
C
Isn't that normal? They always try to do that.
- [31:18]
A
Well, it's kind of the stupidest, craziest thing you could do because then the entire FBI comes down on you. It's a little short sighted to go, we're going to kill the main cop of this city and not think that anything's going to happen from that. Well, we beat the game. He beat the main cop.
- [31:35]
C
Imagine trying to be an intelligent businessman and also a mob leader. Imagine like playing things out in advance, but also you're a mob leader.
- [31:46]
A
There was a lot of that going on and I got to see quite a bit of it. Like there were, let's put it this way, mall developers in Youngstown and things like that. And I got to see firsthand, very young, that they were communicating with politicians at lunchtime and stuff because I was working at this little Italian restaurant at the time, right out of high school and, and having. They were having these quiet meetups in a quiet. In the corner of a quiet Italian restaurant. And you would see these huge moguls. You know, I won't name any names, but big business people in Youngstown meeting with the local, this and that, and congressman. I got to meet that congressman and that congressman because they're there meeting with these super duper rich people. And I'm like, I wonder what the correlation is there, bro.
- [32:34]
C
Back then when there was no cell phones and you know, they had a bug, people they have, they had to literally bug businesses to get information. Like they were all doing something.
- [32:46]
A
Oh yeah.
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C
You couldn't be involved in any big time business if you weren't down with the teamsters, if you weren't down with the longshoremen yet. We gotta work this out, Bobby. We're businessmen. That's how you did the business.
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A
Give a little money to their campaign. Not a little, but a little bit. And then you can get your stuff passed and make life easier down the road.
- [33:10]
C
Dude, I had friends that had no show jobs.
- [33:13]
B
Wow.
- [33:13]
C
Yeah.
- [33:14]
A
Yeah.
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C
I had a friend of mine that had a no show job in New York at the Javits Center. You know, the Javit center is like a big convention center. He had a union no show job.
- [33:24]
D
Wow.
- [33:25]
C
So he's a mob guy.
- [33:26]
A
Yeah.
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C
And they, they just gave him money.
- [33:28]
A
I almost get a free check on the Sopranos. They had those real no show construction jobs. They're sitting there with their portable fans.
- [33:36]
C
Yeah, no, that's real, dude. That is a real thing. Yeah, there's. They get a certain amount of jobs. Like they would make agreements, like the union would make an agreement. We had a certain amount of these jobs. There's like, you know, it's crazy. There's really a hundred jobs, but we want 130. Youngstown was a haven for organized crime. Related corruption was ingrained into the fabric of its Society. A 2000 publication, New Republic listed a chief of police, the outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, members of the local police force, a city law director, several defense attorneys, politicians, judges, and a former assistant U.S. attorney as controlled by the mob.
- [34:20]
A
So if they have that, if they found that for sure, imagine how many others there are, right?
- [34:27]
C
That's everybody.
- [34:28]
A
That's everybody.
- [34:28]
C
That's everybody. The prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, the police force, city law director, defense attorney. Imagine not being down with the mob. Do you want to stay alive? Like, do you want to work in this business?
- [34:41]
A
Right. And this is a city. I think we looked it up the other day, actually. I think it only has 25,000 white people. So knowing that black people tend to not be in the Italian mob, just going off of 25,000 and that's current, I don't know what it was back in the day. But the point is it's not a big city. It's not, I think 50, 60,000, half or less white.
- [35:07]
C
So there's Tony. Yeah, there's little Tony watching pro wrestling.
- [35:12]
A
Oh yeah, pro wrestling. And even then I was obsessed with goodfellas and A Bronx Tale and a Godfather because it's like, it's just what you're taught is humanity. Like, that's life.
- [35:23]
C
Yeah.
- [35:24]
A
So getting out of that and going to LA and thinking it was going to be all. It's going to be crazy gangs and stuff and it's just quiet. Granted, I started in Burbank, which is a fucking television studio essentially.
- [35:35]
C
But when I moved to New Jersey and I didn't have any money when I first moved to New York, I couldn't afford to live in New. In New York City or I didn't even have an apartment. I stayed with my grandparents because my grandfather lived in New Jersey, in Newark and he bought a house there in, I think it was like the 1940s. And they did a thing called blockbusting. Do you know what blockbusting is? They would go to door to door and they would say, black people are moving to the neighborhood, you gotta sell now. And everybody sold. It used to be an entirely Italian neighborhood. And he was like, I like black people. Get the fuck out of here. And he kept his house, but it was like one of very few families that stayed. And then black people moved out and then they started getting like different people, Spanish speaking people, like Dominicans and a bunch of other. And that's how it was when I stayed with them. So this is like 9 91. Yeah. I was three years in the comedy, so it's probably 91. And while I was living with them, the next door neighbor's house got broken into by the cops. The DEA smashed down his door. Dude had an Audi parked in the driveway. He was selling crack, like right next door to my grandpa.
- [36:43]
B
Wow.
- [36:44]
C
The whole neighborhood was just nuts.
- [36:46]
B
Dude.
- [36:46]
C
Like he would get really nervous when I would leave. Like I would leave to go play pool somewhere and he would like be careful. Like it was sketchy.
- [36:53]
A
Yeah.
- [36:55]
C
But it didn't used to be. Like when he first moved there, it was just an all Italian neighborhood.
- [37:01]
A
Yep.
- [37:02]
C
Real estate people even back. Like, what a dirty thing to do. Scare people into moving. That's probably the first project of usaid. That's probably.
- [37:12]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [37:14]
C
They probably got real estate people to destroy neighborhoods.
- [37:17]
A
There's something to it. I don't know. The correlation of Italian neighborhoods being taken over. Not taken over, but whatever. By black people. Like the mob run cities like Youngstown, like Chicago, like Detroit. It's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if there's any correlation between the things.
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C
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D
Yeah.
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C
And then what happened? Then you got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of, you know, it's always like, who's the new immigrants?
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A
Right.
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C
And who are the most hungry? Come from the most poverty ridden areas. Like Roberto Duran came from a terrible part of Panama. Like, not terrible, but I mean like very poor, very violent.
- [40:53]
D
Yeah.
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C
And it was one of the baddest.
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A
Boom, boom. Mancini was right down the street.
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B
Yep.
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C
Yeah. I mean, Youngstown's known for boxing.
- [41:03]
A
Yeah. Kelly Pavlick.
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C
Kelly Pavlick, who's been on the podcast, he's awesome. Yeah, he was a beast, dude.
- [41:09]
A
Oh, man, that fight with him, Jermaine Taylor.
- [41:12]
C
Holy.
- [41:13]
A
Sometimes I still re. Watch the end of that.
- [41:16]
C
How did he survive?
- [41:17]
A
Give me a burst of energy.
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C
I mean, how did he make it through that? That was a crazy. I mean he got dropped. He looked like. It looks like the fight was over. And then when he's got him in the corner and he rocks him and you go, no way. Yeah, he's coming back. This is crazy.
- [41:32]
A
Crazy this.
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C
Did you watch the fights this weekend? Jaron Boot and Boots Ennis. And I forget the, the dude he was fighting.
- [41:38]
A
No, I was at that concert. I missed it.
- [41:42]
C
Boots is very good and for the most part he beat his ass. But the third round, he got rocked. The third round was incredible because he, the kid, he was fighting who's the gentleman that he was fighting? James Zayas. Yeah, young kid, he got dropped in the second round like pretty bad. Boots is very good. He's like one of the best boxers alive. And then the third round, the kid came back and rocked Boots and it was just a war. Just the third round was incredible. Boots wound up stopping him. I think he stopped him in like the seventh or the eighth round. He just dropped him one last time. And the, the ref, the corner called it. It was enough. Like he was getting his ass kicked, but he was very, very valiant, you know, it was a really good fight. Like Boots is better than him. Like, clearly he's like, he's on another level. But this kid showed just tremendous heart. But it's like that third round was just coming back from getting dropped in the second. Like those kind of moments where a guy's getting up like. Like the Gaethje to Poria fight.
- [42:38]
D
Yep.
- [42:38]
C
Perfect example. Yeah, right?
- [42:40]
A
That's when it's really a fight, a real fight.
- [42:43]
C
Yeah, because Toporia was on him in that second round.
- [42:48]
A
Oh, man, we were so close. They were in. They were.
- [42:51]
C
You could hear it.
- [42:52]
A
They. Oh, you could really, you could feel it where I was, man. And you know, obviously we're always close to the cage on those things, but then when Gate, when Tapuria was landing those body shots, it was right against our side of the fence and I'm literally like, oh my. I mean, holy shit, man. And I've seen a lot of people get ripped to the body before, but there is something about his close range strength in near that clinch, that close up fucking range of Ilia, that is scary.
- [43:26]
C
He's so good, dude. He's so good and he's so precise. He just tried to like Chael. I always repeat this because Chael Sonnen said it was perfect. If you try to win by knockout and fail, you won't win a decision. And sometimes you just run out of gas because like, you're not supposed to fight like that. If you think that the fight's gonna go five rounds, like Ilya had him hurt and he's like, I can take him out. But Justin's so durable, man. He's so durable. And that left hook to the body, the sound of it, man, it's just whip. It's so perfect. He throws perfect punches. His punches are just. I mean, even Justin said it in the post fight interview. Like when he's fresh, his skills are unmatched. Like, that's a crazy thing to say to a guy who just beat up and made stop. He stopped him in the fourth round.
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A
Yeah.
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C
That's crazy to say. Like, his skills are unmatched, but they really are.
- [44:20]
A
Oh, every point of that. I'm at every point of that, anybody I think that knows anything about those two fighters is going until this is stopped. Anybody can win this. Like, even when his face was blown up and his eyes looked black and closed, until that air horn rings, I'm like, anything. One punch, and we've seen it. Even with Gaethje. You saw it with Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he square up with in the middle?
- [44:50]
C
Yes.
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A
Holloway.
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B
Yes.
- [44:51]
C
Yes. Metz hit him with that final punch.
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A
One chin, one with one second left, it can all be over.
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C
Yeah, that was a little different in that Holloway caught him with a jump spinning back kick to the face in the very last seconds of the first round and broke the bone of his nose. We talked about it on the podcast, and I was like, that changed that fight, because before that, Gaethje was pressing him, and it looked very competitive, and it looked like maybe Gaethje had a slight advantage. But that's because Max. Max, very clever, very clever fighter. Like, he's always switching stances and moving and, you know, really hadn't showed that spinning back kick a lot. That hadn't been a feature in a lot of his fights. He did it a few times, but for him to land it that way, backing up, jump to the face, I mean, it was.
- [45:38]
A
Was perfect.
- [45:39]
C
Yeah, it was perfect. And his nose was. And if you're fighting with a broken. Like, a broken bone on your face, every time you're getting hit, you're getting just blasted. Yeah, you're. The pain is insane. And then, you know, he had. You know, he was a step behind Max. Max was teeing off on him. He landed some good shots, though, even though it was a good fight. I mean, Max was definitely ahead in the fifth round, but it was a good fight. And then, you know, during that wild exchange. He should have never done that. Yeah, he was already fading, whereas Max was still very fresh. Crazy fight, man. Yeah, that was a crazy fight.
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A
I think Topiria's nose was broken in round two. I think it was pretty early on and hard to say. Yeah.
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C
You know, but Justin did clip him with a bunch of those uppercuts. So Justin does this thing where he, like, collar ties you and then throws an uppercut in tight, and he's really good at it. He's really good at, like, turning you a little and then throwing an uppercut. In these exchanges, he Collar ties and uppercuts. He caught him a few times and you just get one of those on the nose, on the old schnoz. Oh, this thing's so brittle. Yeah, it's such a. If you feel your nose, just feel it. Have you ever seen Merab's nose? The X ray of Merab's nose? You never seen it? I sent it to you, right, Jamie. Jamie will find it. It's crazy. Look at it. Looks like.
- [47:05]
A
Oh, my God.
- [47:05]
C
Look at that.
- [47:06]
A
Oh, bro,
- [47:10]
C
that thing is destroyed. I mean, it's destroyed. He's getting zero air out of that. He's got the best cardio on planet Earth, and he's getting zero air out of his nose. But he won't get it fixed, because if he gets it fixed, he can't fight for like a year and he just wants to keep on trucking.
- [47:26]
A
Yeah, that dude's a freak.
- [47:30]
C
If I was his friend, I would say, dude, you got a lot of money, you're a world champion. Fix the nose. Let's fix it. Let's take a year off, come back and fuck these motherfuckers up. Because if that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got 10% more cardio.
- [47:43]
A
Yeah.
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C
Are you crazy? Yeah, that guy with 10% more cardio, that's an extra weapon. I would get it fixed, but the problem is, if he gets it fixed and then like, he fights a guy like Halloween, he gets jumping, spinning back, kicked to the nose in the first round and shattered is again. Then he's kind of. Because if they have to fix it again, then they might have to start taking pieces of your rib out and reconstructing your nose and grafting bone and doing weird. And then sometimes that doesn't take, and sometimes it gets infected, and then you have a bone infection on your face. And what do they do then? Do they have to remove your nose? Is that what they have to do? God, scary, man.
- [48:22]
A
Very much so.
- [48:23]
C
These dudes, man, that is a crazy job to risk your life, risk your health, risk your bones. If you're making a living by trying to damage another person who's trying to damage you.
- [48:36]
A
Nuts.
- [48:38]
C
But it's also why it's the most exciting in the world to watch.
- [48:41]
A
Exactly.
- [48:41]
C
So excited.
- [48:42]
A
Yeah.
- [48:43]
C
Even boxing as, you know, tamed in comparison to mma because there's less weapons and less options and more padding. Yeah. You don't get the choke outs. The crazy choke outs. There was a crazy choke out this weekend. His name is Ruza Boyev and he fought.
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B
God.
- [49:03]
C
How do I say his last name. He fought this Russian cat and got him Russian or Ukrainian, I forget. But he got him in a rear naked choke and put him to sleep. And it was one of those ones where the guy looks dead. He's like lying there. I mean, it was a nasty choke, man. And yeah, like. And it's. Look at him.
- [49:19]
A
Oh, yeah, I saw that.
- [49:22]
C
It was dark, dude.
- [49:23]
A
It's another meme out this week, along with the WM Pointing
- [49:29]
C
bros nuts.
- [49:30]
A
The memes on these things are nuts nowadays.
- [49:33]
C
The Internet is undefeated.
- [49:34]
A
Oh, it's crazy.
- [49:35]
C
They're so good at memes. There's so many people out there working jobs that they hate that are smart and funny.
- [49:42]
B
Yep.
- [49:43]
A
We were talking about it the other day, but you. You've. Have you caught up with any of those? Wnba, what's her name? The girl that's pointing at her.
- [49:50]
C
Sophie Cunningham? Yeah, yeah, I've been paying it. Can you put that thing in the middle? Put those ashtray in the middle. I've been paying attention very little, but one of the things that I did watch is all the fouls. Like these throw each other to the ground. They. And they poke each other in the eyes. Like, they do this. They literally jab each other in the eyes. It's crazy. Like, they. They foul and also they travel so much.
- [50:16]
A
Oh, it's crazy.
- [50:17]
C
They take like four or five steps and then no one calls them on it.
- [50:20]
A
Oh, yeah. Double durable.
- [50:23]
C
Is there a trend now to not call traveling?
- [50:28]
A
Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA, it's a thing too.
- [50:32]
B
It's hard to get into this without going way into the weeds. But the NBA has a technically different rule than college and high school and everyone else where there's that. They call it a gather step, and they definitely would call it in high school, but they work all day manipulating it with the referee watching them saying, like, you can do that, but you can't do that. You can do this, but you can't do that. And so they've got it to a place where everything they're doing looks like traveling and double dribbles, but guys will break it down in slow mo and you'll be like, well, technically it's not, because Weird.
- [51:02]
C
I always thought if you took a step, you had to bounce the ball. Yeah, that's how it should be.
- [51:06]
A
You're allowed to.
- [51:07]
C
Doesn't it seem like that should be how it is when you see guys taking four steps? Like, what's going on?
- [51:13]
B
Well, do you want to see excited basketball or not?
- [51:15]
C
Yeah, I do all right, well then
- [51:18]
B
just let the referees call the game how they call it.
- [51:20]
C
But I think there's something exciting about you having to bounce that ball because you won't be able to score as much.
- [51:26]
B
Right?
- [51:27]
A
Correct.
- [51:27]
C
Like if you have to bounce it every two steps, whatever it is.
- [51:30]
A
I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I was a kid. And fucking Barkley and Jordan and Ewing and all these people were physical. It is just a whole different game now.
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C
So back then, was it traveling like when, the Larry Bird days?
- [51:46]
A
Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the ref and said, yo, you're wrong, let me do what I want.
- [51:51]
C
Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he would leap from the fucking free throw line. That is so. When I've watched videos of that, it doesn't even look real. He was such an amazing athlete. He was so good and so possessed by his desire to win. He would do things that you would just go, how does a person fly? Dude, Imagine if he was like a. Like one of those jumpers, those long distance jumpers. He probably have an insane jump.
- [52:19]
A
Yeah.
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C
Because he. He's going from the free throw line in the air. That's crazy.
- [52:25]
A
Everything he did was crazy. The way he did things, the way he practiced, everything.
- [52:31]
C
Yeah. And did he not make his college team? High school team. Wasn't there like one year when he was a freshman.
- [52:38]
B
He didn't make the varsity team.
- [52:40]
C
That's what I'm saying.
- [52:40]
B
Yeah. It's. Most freshmen don't.
- [52:43]
A
Perfect may have changed basketball history forever.
- [52:46]
C
Most freshmen, though, that doesn't make sense because they're not even developed yet.
- [52:49]
B
It. Yeah, that's your plan.
- [52:51]
C
I know kids in Texas that keep their kids back a year.
- [52:53]
B
Wow.
- [52:54]
C
They want their kid to be bigger. I want Billy to be the biggest freshman. I want him to be a 15 year old freshman we're pushing for right before his 15th birthday. Like, hey, 15's a sophomore. Billy's a cheater. Why you sandbagging Billy? Yeah, that. It doesn't bother me nearly as much in a sport like football where I see what you're doing, like you're preparing a kid for a professional future. Perhaps especially in Texas, they're very into it down here. But if it's a wrestling, it's like, hey, yeah, hey, there's fucking no money in this.
- [53:27]
A
Right?
- [53:27]
C
And that kid's 16 and he's in the ninth grade.
- [53:31]
A
Yeah, it's nuts.
- [53:34]
C
How is the. How old is the oldest that a kid can be and compete in high school sports? Jamie, please put that into our Sponsor Perplexity. Let's find out. I wonder if it varies by sport.
- [53:49]
B
Definitely by sport and by state.
- [53:51]
C
Mmm, interesting. Do they all have a cap at 18 or do they allow you to compete at 19?
- [53:58]
B
Yeah, there's gonna be a. But before I even head enter, I know it's gonna say something about like your graduating class can't be out maybe more than like two years or something like that, in case you got held back or you had an injury or something like that.
- [54:10]
C
Boy, I remember from my days of being like 17 and 18, the difference between 17 and huge. Oh yeah, it's a big difference.
- [54:19]
D
Yeah.
- [54:20]
C
By the time you're 19, you're basically man strength, you know. 17, I was like a boy still. Yeah, you know, like I was flimsy. 17, I was like a flimsy kid. By the time I was 19 it was. It's a different animal. You've got two more years of training and testosterone in you.
- [54:36]
D
Yeah.
- [54:36]
C
If you're a wrestler, that's got to be a huge advantage.
- [54:40]
A
Every advantage, everything in wrestling is a huge advantage. Starting one year earlier is huge.
- [54:46]
C
Huge advantage.
- [54:47]
B
19 based off of certain.
- [54:48]
C
Oh, bro, that's so rude. Making 19 year olds wrestle against like possibly 15 year olds is crazy, right? So if you are like in a certain weight class, that's not strong. Like I wasn't a good wrestler. I was a pretty good wrestler, but I started, I was in the varsity team at my high school and like one year I didn't even cut weight or one, one weight class. I didn't, I was, I. There was a guy that was below me at like 126 or 128 and he was better than me. And so the next available weight class was 134, which is I. That's what I normally weighed when I was 15, so I just wrestled at 134.
- [55:26]
A
That's lovely.
- [55:28]
C
But I could have been in there with a 19 year old animal who weighs a buck 60 and dries himself out briefly to hit 134. And there was guys like that, man, you would see them at like the state and you go, what the fuck?
- [55:41]
B
Yeah.
- [55:42]
C
And they were going to camps so they were wrestling 365 days a year all year long. Oh yeah, I just started. I didn't know anything.
- [55:49]
A
Same. I started as a freshman in high school and got fucked up.
- [55:53]
C
I didn't even start as a freshman. I started as a sophomore. I started as a sophomore because some kid kicked my ass in the locker room. So some kid grabbed Me in a headlock and threw me to the ground and didn't punch me. He could have punched me. Decided not to, but I was so humiliated. I was like, oh, my God, I need to learn how to wrestle. Then I also wrestled in the park, like in the grass with my friend Steven. And I thought I'd be able. I was a good athlete. I was doing karate. I was like, he can't take me down. He took me down instantly. I was like, oh, no, this is terrible.
- [56:21]
A
Yeah, it's a whole different beast.
- [56:23]
C
It's also like how tired you get. I remember thinking, I used to think that I had worked out before that because I had taken karate classes and done some taekwondo. I thought it worked out.
- [56:34]
A
Yeah.
- [56:34]
C
You don't even know what working out is until you go through a wrestling practice. You're like, we're running stairs. What?
- [56:40]
B
What?
- [56:40]
C
We're carrying guys around the wrestling room. You pick up your partner, your training partner. You have to. Firemen, carry them around the fucking room. Oh, Jesus Christ. Then you're doing push ups and sit ups till you puke. And then you're doing live drills. Fuck.
- [56:54]
A
Non stop, dude.
- [56:56]
C
Animals.
- [56:57]
A
Yeah, we would rotate. You know, there's all those different weight classes and just for shits and giggles, you know, one of the drills was, you know, escape from the next guy. All right. Beep, WHISTLE BLOWS Escape, you're on bottom. You have to get out the next guy. So Sometimes at a 103 weight class, I would have Hugh Frost, who was, I think 235, 245, 250.
- [57:21]
C
You'd have to wrestle with him.
- [57:22]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [57:23]
A
Just for one drill. And it's a fucking joke. It's a pancake. And he would probably. He was probably showing mercy at the time, obviously, but not really because he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to Let this and 103 out from under him. So he's, you know, putting enough pressure to keep everybody there. Not to mention the 165 freak of nature, made of muscle and the 185. You know, it was just a drill, but reality hits hard. That's how you see the difference between 15 and 17 and all that and
- [57:53]
C
someone who actually really knows how to wrestle and just wrestler strength. Like, I always tell people, if you want to look at mma, like, what is the most important, important skill? The. The foundation is wrestling. The foundation. If you wanted your kid to be a badass fighter. Like, my kid really loves fighting. He thinks he wants to do it, but I want to Prepare him. Right? Which I do. Teach him how to wrestle. Get that kid into a really good wrestling program. Because if you have advanced wrestling, you look at how it shuts down so many fighters. Like, look at what Hamza did to Drekus Duplessis. Hamza, he just rag dolled him. His wrestling is at such a high level and Drekus, who was a world champion, couldn't do shit to stop it. He just dragged him to the ground anytime he wanted to. Got him in a crucifix like three times.
- [58:38]
A
Murab against o'. Malley. I mean, exactly.
- [58:41]
C
Exactly.
- [58:43]
A
We're watching a guy that does a no look right hand knockout punch into a salute. No look at his opponent, right? Get. I mean, it's just impossible. It appears impossible in every Khabib fight. The thing I always think about first, when I think about Khabib fighting is him being on top and having his feet under the other dude's feet, which is just. That's it. It's the final level. When you can't even begin the process of posturing out in any way. You are nothing. You are a tissue in an octagon with a man.
- [59:20]
C
And he's wailing on your face. He's wailing on your face. And he has your legs triangled underneath his legs. Legs.
- [59:26]
A
It's always funny when UFC or when casual UFC fans don't understand those little things like that that aren't even part of the fight. They were looking up here, waiting to see if the punches are going to rain down. Yeah, but the positioning of his feet is what I'm always looking at and how scary it can be here. He's not even doing it right now.
- [59:49]
C
He's hell on top of people. He is right here.
- [59:51]
A
That leg being thrown is half guarded.
- [59:54]
C
It's all the weight.
- [59:55]
A
Nothing you can do. There's just nowhere to go. And all that weight on those hips, people don't realize. Like I notice immediately if I ever see somebody that's kind of on top and their knees are on the ground. Like, if you look his right knee isn't on the ground, it looks like
- [60:11]
C
it might be like he's slamming those left hands into Johnson's head. I mean, he got hit with like 15, 20 unanswered full force left hand blows.
- [60:20]
B
Just holding his arms.
- [60:21]
C
He can't move, bro. He's horrible. He was horrible. So good. Khabib was so good. And he would do this to world class fighters, man. And by the way, Johnson clipped him in that fight too. It was one of the Few times in his career where he got clipped.
- [60:35]
B
Yeah, man, that looked really frustrated.
- [60:37]
C
What's that?
- [60:38]
B
Who's the one that looks super frustrated in that?
- [60:40]
C
Barbozo?
- [60:40]
B
I'm asking. I don't remember who it was.
- [60:42]
C
Barboza was one of them. But I mean, a lot of guys I fought, Khabib look frustrated because there's not a damn thing they could do. No, Barboza was like early in the first round, he had that thousand yard stare, which, like, I have to go through three rounds of this where they just give up on the idea that they can even win. Yeah, like all you're doing is trying to survive. Yeah, he was a monster dude like that.
- [61:03]
A
His leg being trapped is nuts. And look how he's scooting with it.
- [61:08]
C
And he's just slamming punches and get up. He's just chasing you got him right
- [61:13]
B
back down, I thought.
- [61:13]
C
But if you get up, he's gonna chase you and drag you to the ground again. So you blew all that energy to get up. The moment you try to punch or throw a kick, he's on you. You're on your back again. Punch to the face. Punch to the face. Yeah. Wrestling's giant. It is the. The biggest skill.
- [61:30]
A
Yeah.
- [61:30]
C
You have to know how to do everything else too, nowadays, because all these kids that like, you see in the contender series, these young guys coming up, man, they're all so fucking talented. He tried to wheel kick him.
- [61:42]
A
And really more than anything, I feel like wrestling, being out wrestled and being just trapped on the ground is so psychologically demoralizing. When you've been training for a UFC fight and the crowd is out there and the lights are on you and you see the logos on the mat because you're facing it.
- [61:58]
C
Back that up a little bit. Let me show you something here too. What's, what's interesting here. Before that, before the clinch. So after he throws the wheel kick, like Barbos is trying to win, right. This is the third round, he's trying to win and he throws his. But look, no go before that. When he throws the kick here it is. So he throws the kick and misses. He's so tired now that when Khabib moves for him, he clinches. Look, he instigated the clinch. Instead of pushing away, instead of circling to his left, he clinched because he's so tired, dude, he's so tired. And this dude, just look at that face. He just drags him down to the ground again.
- [62:35]
A
Two on one on that arm, underneath them legs being thrown in. He doesn't know what to do with his legs. He actually just put his foot above Khabib because it's so confusing. All that weight on you. You don't know where to even begin to start getting up.
- [62:50]
C
Well, he's. The first thing he's got to do is get that left leg free and he's not gonna.
- [62:53]
B
That was the part before the crawling thing.
- [62:56]
C
He's a. He was a monster. He was a monster. And retired undefeated.
- [63:00]
A
Yeah. And there's something to being on that mat, not being able to move, knowing that the clock is ticking. And this is not how you picture this going.
- [63:09]
C
Not only that, this is with the current rules, where I think there should be no standups. I think the only time there should be a stand up is when there's a foul.
- [63:18]
A
Yeah, I completely agree with you. I hate it when they stand people
- [63:21]
C
up, even if it's boring. Yeah, I get it's boring. But the guy can't get up. And this guy's holding him down. So he's winning. He's winning. See, I know he's not doing enough. What does that mean? He's biding his time. You've got to let a guy have strategy, like Muhammad Ali did. Rope a dope against George Foreman. Imagine if the referee's like, you've got to punch back. If you don't punch back. No, he's. He's got a strategy. Strategy is let George Foreman burn himself out and then eventually tee off on him. And that's what he did.
- [63:49]
A
Yeah. It stinks that referees can let the crowd get in their head.
- [63:53]
C
Well, it's the. The organization wants action, too. The fans want action. A lot of people disagree with me. And I understand their point. I understand their point. Especially if you're a casual. Like, it's gay. Get him up. Make them fight. You don't want to fight. They want a hug.
- [64:08]
B
Boo.
- [64:10]
A
Right?
- [64:10]
C
So what? So what? This is the sport. And if that guy who's on top, who's biding his time and recovering, then decides, okay, now's the time, let me start dropping some bombs because I've recovered. Good. Well, he held the position and he recovered his energy and now he's winning. Like, let him fucking fight. Let him fight. Get out of there. Get out of there.
- [64:32]
A
Yep.
- [64:33]
C
There shouldn't be standups.
- [64:35]
A
And I get it. The referee gets that cheer from the crowd, you know, it feels rewarding.
- [64:40]
C
Sometimes when they stand fights up, I get excited.
- [64:42]
A
Yeah.
- [64:43]
C
I go, yeah, yeah, here we go.
- [64:45]
A
But striker has a chance.
- [64:47]
C
But my position is still the same. I Don't think they should stand him up. I'm worse than that. I think they should start each round where they lost the last round.
- [64:54]
A
Oh, I love that. Yeah, that's great.
- [64:56]
C
So every round, why do you get to stand up? Why do you get that advantage that a striker gets of standing up when you didn't earn it?
- [65:02]
B
Right.
- [65:02]
C
Get back down there. Yeah, get back down there. Crucifix. Imagine you have to start the round off in a crucifix. Yeah. That's how the round ended. They look at the big screen, get a freeze frame of the position. Referee sets you in the exact position and says, ready, Fight.
- [65:17]
A
Yeah.
- [65:18]
D
Yeah.
- [65:18]
A
I love that.
- [65:20]
D
Yeah.
- [65:20]
B
Off.
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D
Yeah.
- [65:22]
C
That's what the sport is supposed to be. And sometimes it's going to be boring. Yeah. But that's real, though. At least it's real because there's been a lot of fights where the guy got taken down in the first round, starts out the second round and blasts the guy and knocks him out. And it's like, okay, it's exciting to watch. But he didn't earn that position. He just got that position because the other guy survived the first round. And so it's like it's one fight. It's not five fights.
- [65:45]
A
Right.
- [65:46]
C
So I think it should be one continuous fight with a one minute break in each round.
- [65:51]
A
Yeah, that'd be like if the team losing automatically got the kickoff after halftime or something like that.
- [65:57]
C
Yeah. And look, guaranteed, if I was running the ufc, it'd probably go bankrupt. I'm not the right guy. I don't know what the I'm talking about. I'd be a terrible promoter. I'd be too honest about stuff. And I'd want to give people fights that maybe they weren't the most exciting fighters, but they were above the other person in the rankings. I think the rankings should be the whole reason why you make fights.
- [66:22]
A
Sami Zayn won the Universal WWE Championship over this weekend at a big pay per view.
- [66:27]
C
I have no idea who that is, but I'm happy for him.
- [66:29]
A
Shocked. Cody Rhodes, he was like a. A guaranteed win.
- [66:34]
C
I wonder what happened.
- [66:35]
A
Rolled them up real quick.
- [66:36]
C
Do you think maybe that was fixed?
- [66:37]
A
Well, it's very entertaining. Very entertaining.
- [66:43]
C
I'm sure it was. I just don't understand how you go back and forth, oh, it's the best. I know you love it.
- [66:47]
A
Well, sometimes that's what I said about this White House card, by the way, is like, there's nothing that could have happened that they could have written. If it was written, that would have made it more exciting.
- [67:02]
C
Right.
- [67:03]
A
It felt real the whole time. And the fights that happened before made it feel like anything could happen in that main event. Like, it just felt raw and real, but also storyline, which then when UFC is at its best like that, it's like the wwe. That's what's interesting. Of course, it's not as, you know.
- [67:27]
C
Exactly, but it is. It was a special moment, you know, regardless of how you feel politically. And I understand it, if you're. If you hate the Republicans and you hate the whole idea, I get it. But just as a person who loves a sport, it was a very unusual experience. Very unusual. And just. I think people have to just look at some things that way. You know, some people have a really hard time separating themselves politically because they're going, oh, no, this. That the White House puts on this thing. There's all this bad press because of the war. There's bad press because of this and that. And they put on this thing at the White House, and it's sort of like MAGA washes everything. You know what I mean?
- [68:06]
A
Yeah.
- [68:07]
C
Makes everybody like them again. Gives them positive press, which undeniable, undeniable game. Positive press. I mean, the amount of people that have seen it is nuts. You know, I think just on Paramount, it's something like 30 something million now. And, you know, they were telling me that they thought it was probably 150 million people had watched it in some form, which was, you know, Tick tock clips, Instagram, YouTube. That is a nutty number, man. And I think Dana and Hunter, they were thinking it could get to like a billion people see it, which is just nuts.
- [68:42]
A
Yeah.
- [68:42]
C
In some form. You know, highlight reels, clips. I mean, just the Gaichi fight alone, just the highlight reels. How many people watch those on Instagram and Tick Tock and totally the awareness of the event, of the moment was so huge. It was like nothing else. Like, it didn't feel like any other event we had ever. Like. I was nervous before it started.
- [69:01]
A
Yeah.
- [69:01]
C
I could never get nervous for ufc. I get excited, but I was, like, legitimately nervous. I was like. I was feeling like a little like, this is crazy. Like, we're on the White House lawn nuts.
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A
The flyover is when it really hit.
- [69:13]
C
Yeah. Well, when they had all those jets together and they're so close to each other.
- [69:17]
B
Yeah.
- [69:17]
C
Like, imagine if one of those fucking clips, another wing and spirals right into the ellipse.
- [69:22]
D
Yeah.
- [69:24]
A
Yeah. Crazy. What a spectacle.
- [69:27]
C
Yeah. They would have definitely canceled the fights because think they. They canceled the White House correspondence dinner because of that assassination attack.
- [69:33]
A
Damn it.
- [69:34]
C
Oh, you had a bunch of bangers on that, I heard.
- [69:36]
A
Yeah. So annoying. I was more excited for that than, like, anything.
- [69:42]
C
How do they just cancel it? Why didn't they reschedule it? Maybe they're gonna wait until the ballroom's finished. Cause that's the argument for the ballroom. That they could have it at a place like that where it's completely secured. Yeah, Kurt Matzkir thinks the whole thing's fake. Oh, another fake assassination attempt?
- [69:59]
A
Yeah.
- [69:59]
C
How'd that guy get in there? Yeah, well, I think some people are just incompetent. There's incompetence, there's bad security. There's people that don't do their job. Also, there's also people that you didn't expect to be a problem and were a problem, and you're in a hotel.
- [70:15]
A
Also, the guy made it to the first level of the first scanning of security. It's not like he made it into the thing.
- [70:24]
C
But he did shoot somebody, right? I think he shot one of the Secret Service agents in his bulletproof vest.
- [70:30]
A
Yeah.
- [70:31]
C
Is that true, Jamie?
- [70:32]
A
I think so.
- [70:33]
C
See, there were so many stories online. It's so hard to know what was true and what was not. But I think the guy was a teacher. Like a substitute teacher.
- [70:42]
A
Nuts. It's all nuts.
- [70:44]
C
It's like, man, you didn't think this
- [70:46]
B
out and scheduled it for July 24th.
- [70:48]
C
Okay, okay.
- [70:51]
A
The correspondence dinner.
- [70:52]
B
Yep.
- [70:52]
A
Wow.
- [70:54]
C
You might want to polish up some of them bits.
- [70:56]
A
Yeah, it's gonna be some new stuff.
- [70:58]
C
Go back and tag some of them with some current events. Where are they gonna have it?
- [71:03]
B
Oh, sorry. I sorted the.
- [71:07]
C
If they have it at the same spot. That's not smart.
- [71:10]
B
New event held July 24th.
- [71:16]
C
Is that the Pentagon?
- [71:18]
A
They might wait. They might wait to release that.
- [71:22]
B
Yeah, it's not saying. Oh, Waldoffer. Excuse me. Waldorf Astoria.
- [71:27]
C
Oh, okay. Well, I guarantee you they'll tighten that up a little bit.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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C
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A
I know he was excited to do the jokes.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, he was. He was very pumped.
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A
Yeah, they were bangers. I ran them because the thing happened, I happened to be performing at the Kennedy center the next. That weekend. The next weekend. So I ran the jokes and I realized that I had Adam Ray as a special guest that was on before me. He brought me on stage. So I go, you know what? Even I wrote jokes for the President of the United States to make fun of the press and everybody at the White House Correspondents Dinner. But I just realized Adam's here. Adam, you want to come out and read these in Trump's voice. And so he was seeing the jokes for the first time, reading them, and we had so much fun.
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C
I didn't know he does a Trump, which doesn't surprise me. I mean, his impressions are insane.
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A
He can do anything.
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C
Yeah, he can do anything.
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A
He didn't even. He did. He was dabbling in a Biden the week that I hit him up to do Trump Biden, which I think is a fucking God. I think it's like 40 million or seven. Some crazy amount. And again, just like the UFC, God only knows after clips. But it was a monumental comedy moment having Shane as Trump right before the election. Adam is Biden. Right? Right before the election, right after their first debate where Biden was clearly zoned and sleepy and just couldn't compete at all. And so I hit up Adam Via text. I'm like, do you have a Biden? He's like, I cover it for five seconds in. In my stand up. I'm like, are you free on Monday to fly to Austin and do Biden? If I can get Shane as Trump? And I remember telling Shane, like, I'm like, this is gonna be an interesting ask. But I, you know, I'm just like, hey, Adam's got a Biden. And Shane's like, I have something to do on Monday. I'm canceling it. I'm doing Trump. He immediately saw the brilliance. It was just such a hot topic at the time, and my God, it was fucking crazy. There's clips that I see of that episode, and I never rewatch Kill Tony's or anything. I'll see clips sometimes and I literally go, oh, my God. Holy fucking shit. There's one part where Trump goes, how many more retards are you gonna bring out here? Because there have been, like, two handicapped people on this show. All right, how many more retards you have? Come. As I'm pulling a name out of the bucket in real time, I go, anything can happen, Mr. President. Let's see what the next guy's like. And he comes out and he has, like, these weird, deformed penguin arms. And you see Shane as Trump, and the crowd's dying because they see him first. And you see Shane as Trump look and go, fuck. It's just one of his. His react. Facial reactions to things are like his greatest secret fucking hilarious weapon. And when he's Trump, it's even amplified. It's like, in my opinion, 10 or 20% funnier than even Shane is. I mean, I'm sure he'd admit to this and know it because Trump is just such an interesting, polarizing character. And his take on him is so funny, it's psychotic.
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C
His impression's so good. It's the greatest Trump impression of all time. Because it's like, the jokes are so good.
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A
Oh, by far, he's so good.
- [76:50]
C
What's. What's funny, James?
- [76:53]
A
So epic.
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C
Back it up a little bit.
- [76:56]
A
That's another fun appearance by Drew Nickens. This is the best.
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C
All right, Tony, how many more retarded guys do you have back?
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A
Anything can happen.
- [77:08]
C
This crowd is hungry for more. Frankly, I don't think we've seen enough guys. How about a racist? Would you like to see
- [77:18]
A
this next person? Could be one. I pulled it out of the bucket. It is the Kill Tony debut. I do believe of Jacob Bar, everybody. Jacob Bar.
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C
Oh, my God.
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B
Thank you.
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C
Well, well, well, well. Oh, my God.
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A
Okay.
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C
Careful what you wish for.
- [77:40]
A
Okay, hold on. We're gonna reset this. Jacob. What's funny is, is Adam knows better than anybody that you're not supposed to say anything after the bucket bowl comes up. So me grabbing the mic out of his hand and putting it down is even another layer of hilarious to all of us. It's like Biden's misbehaving. I don't know. Did you see Shane's face when he notices his hands?
- [78:04]
C
This is it.
- [78:04]
B
Look.
- [78:08]
C
And then. He's our Jackie Gleason.
- [78:14]
A
Oh, yeah. Without a doubt.
- [78:15]
C
That's what it is.
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A
Plus.
- [78:17]
C
Plus, man, he's the great one of our generation.
- [78:20]
A
What people don't realize, I mean, obviously, is that he is. Is that funny. All the fucking time.
- [78:28]
C
All the time. When we're hanging out in the green room.
- [78:30]
A
Every bar, every restaurant, every green room, every. Every stairway, anywhere, everything. He. I always compare it to Mike Tyson in his prime. He just hits harder and different, doing the smallest little things. Even if it's a face, if somebody says something and he just, like, reacts to it, it's crazy.
- [78:50]
C
It's also always fun.
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B
Fun.
- [78:51]
C
He's a fun guy. Like, he wants to have fun. Like, even when he's cracking jokes, it's fun. Well, I know he was very reluctant to do the roast. You know, he was a little reluctant to even host that. Like, I don't want to do those things.
- [79:04]
A
Yeah.
- [79:05]
C
You know, but.
- [79:07]
A
Well, everything is. You know, everything could be something he crushed so hard, it caused a real ruckus, him and I end capping that thing. You know what I mean?
- [79:17]
C
Yeah.
- [79:17]
A
It was supposed to be a, you know, this Roast of Black Excellence, and me and Shane are just having the time of our lives. He got.
- [79:25]
C
Who said it was a Roast of Black Excellence? You're just saying that because it was Kevin Hart.
- [79:29]
A
Well, yeah, that's. That's like. That was.
- [79:31]
C
It wasn't, like, explicitly stated or anything.
- [79:33]
D
Right.
- [79:35]
C
I mean, because imagine if you said, we're gonna have a Roast of White Excellence.
- [79:39]
A
Right? Exactly. Oh, I know.
- [79:40]
C
Crazy.
- [79:41]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [79:42]
C
It's weird.
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B
We.
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C
You can and can't say, oh, yeah, that's weird. Oh, yeah, you know?
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B
Yeah.
- [79:47]
A
That's a whole thing with. I mean, you can't talk about this, but you can talk about that.
- [79:52]
C
Well, it's just weird what we accept, which, like, doesn't bother me at all. But, like, Kane Velasquez, when he fought in the ufc, he used to have brown pride tattooed on his chest. Cool. His family Came over from Mexico. They. They literally walked here.
- [80:07]
A
Yeah.
- [80:07]
C
White Pride not so popular, Right. White pride on your chest. You know, fucking Sean Strickland just decided to get white Pride, and he posted a picture on Instagram of him as a world champion with white pride on his chest next to Cain Velasquez as a world champion with brown pride on his chest.
- [80:27]
A
Yeah.
- [80:28]
C
And people would lose their minds.
- [80:32]
A
Yes.
- [80:32]
C
And again, not saying that Sean would ever put white pride on his chest.
- [80:36]
A
He would. No, he would. I follow him. I follow him on Twitter.
- [80:40]
C
He would.
- [80:41]
A
Trust me.
- [80:41]
C
He's a wild boy. He didn't even show up. He showed up at the ufc, even though he's banned. He showed up and they arrested him.
- [80:48]
A
Yeah,
- [80:51]
C
they kicked him out. He's the world champion. There's a UFC event at the White House at the time, before Justin won, he was the only American world champion. And they're like, you can't come.
- [81:04]
B
Yeah.
- [81:04]
C
Because you talk too much about Israel.
- [81:07]
A
He's a wild boy.
- [81:08]
C
But that's wild that your criticism about Israel is what keeps you from going to the White House as a world champion in a world title. Fights at the White House.
- [81:20]
D
Yeah.
- [81:21]
C
Like you would think you would want to celebrate the American male world champion. I think he said some other stuff too, though. There's some Epstein stuff there. Yeah, he's a wild boy.
- [81:31]
A
Yeah. I think he's.
- [81:33]
C
I told him when he retires from fighting, he 100% should do a podcast. And he was like, I. You know, I seen these guys doing these streamers and like, I go, you don't have to do that. You don't have to do it that way. He's like, I couldn't do that. Just sit there every day and talk to people for hours. I'd lose my mind. I'm like, right. But you don't have to do that. Just your opinions on things. So he's an awesome podcast guest. You know, I'm like, he could totally, totally do that. Just talk about stuff. And also, Sean, when he lets the. The whole shtick down and just gives you his opinions on things. Very smart guy.
- [82:08]
A
Yeah.
- [82:09]
C
He's not stupid at all. And he would get better at it, you know, as he did it more, he easily could do a podcast.
- [82:18]
A
Yeah. He's entertaining as fuck.
- [82:19]
C
I just can't believe they kicked him out of the White House. And that is. They kicked him out of the Ellipse. That area. There's. I think there's a video of it. So you can find the video of it. Like, sorry, guys. Like they got like six. Six cops bulletproof vests.
- [82:32]
A
Yeah. I think there was like 85000 people there. So it's funny that they're like that one. The champion.
- [82:39]
C
It's just he wasn't supposed to be there. He's banned. He was not invited or whatever. But even if you're not invited shouldn't you be able to go to the fan area if you're the world champion if you want to be that wild with no security. And there's video of him from the first night from the night of the weigh ins where they found out that he was there. It's amazing thing cuz he was wearing a hoodie the entire time and someone told him he's got to take off the hoodie and he's like I can't listen. It's going to be a problem. And as soon as he takes off the hoodie everybody let's. And then he's just surrounded by bros.
- [83:11]
A
Hilarious.
- [83:12]
C
Just getting hugged to death. He asked some dude Some dude asked him to leg kick him. So Sean leg kick some kid. Crazy world champion kicking some kid. What is this world coming to?
- [83:27]
A
There's starting to be some.
- [83:28]
C
Is him. Is it. Is there audio. This is crazy.
- [83:45]
A
I like that we have some entertaining American.
- [83:48]
C
He's the most entertaining that Josh Hoket.
- [83:52]
A
Hockett.
- [83:53]
C
Hoket.
- [83:53]
A
Hoket.
- [83:54]
C
Yeah.
- [83:54]
A
My God he is.
- [83:56]
C
That was what was hilarious was people were so upset that he said Michelle Obama's man at the White House. It's like that's what he's doing. He's doing it on purpose. Like he's literally wearing an American flag bandana. He comes out to a Hulk Hogan song. He's wearing sunglasses.
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B
Yeah.
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C
It's not appropriate. You're right.
- [84:15]
A
Yep.
- [84:15]
B
Right.
- [84:16]
C
But he said the exact same thing when I interviewed him somewhere else.
- [84:20]
A
Yeah.
- [84:21]
C
He said I'm pretty sure he said Michelle Obama's a man. Like last time I interviewed him.
- [84:25]
A
That's what I heard is that it's not his first rodeo at the Michelle
- [84:29]
C
Obama is a man. That's how he ends his interviews.
- [84:33]
A
Hilarious.
- [84:33]
C
He's trying to get people to talk about him.
- [84:35]
A
Yep.
- [84:36]
C
You know it's. The whole thing is so crazy. But all of it would be nothing if he couldn't fight.
- [84:43]
A
Exactly. That's what. That's where it's real exciting is the pre fight stuff. I mean the post fight interview pretty polarizing obviously because that was the news. But if you for the real fans paying attention did you didn't get to see him do that. Did I send it to you? The kill Tony minute that he did at the press conference. Oh, my God. So funny. Because he's like, purposefully bombing. So he's literally doing a joke. He says, you guys know Tony Hinchcliffe. I'm gonna do my kill Tony minute. And he's purposefully, like, bombing. It's corny, purposeful, bad jokes. And he's going, man, tough crowd. All right, let me. Let me try this one. And it's like literally being hilarious by strategically trying to be funny but not being funny. You could tell that he was planning on nobody laughing, but that it's set up punch. And. And he's just fucking try. He's just trying to entertain.
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C
He's trolling. He's trolling. He's getting attention. And then the most important thing, he can fight. Yeah, that dude's good. He's fucking good, man. He's fast as for a heavyweight, he's very light on his feet. Fast as. Fast hands.
- [85:53]
A
Yeah. So fun to watch.
- [85:54]
C
And you know what's interesting is he talked a lot of about Alex Pereira and, you know, I want a shama on your mama or all that crazy. Pereira losing to Cyril, gone. If Pereira decides to fight again. I don't know if he's gonna fight again. He might be done. I think he said he might be done, but I mean, a lot of fighters say that after a fight and especially after a loss. Yeah, let him sit around for a while. Then they come up with, he's not done. They back up. The brink struck. Get him. Versus Josh Hoch.
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B
Get him.
- [86:24]
A
Oh, my God.
- [86:26]
C
As a co. Main event on a banging New Year's Eve card.
- [86:29]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [86:30]
C
Let's go.
- [86:31]
A
Hokuto be making fun of his headdress and his face makeup.
- [86:35]
C
Oh, it'd be insane. It would be insane. But, you know, the thing is, Hokut's got to deal with that guy. That's a different guy. That's not Derrick Lewis. I mean, if he continues to fight heavyweight, it is interesting watching a guy who's been so dominant at 85 and at 205 with that all that extra weight on. I don't know if that necessarily was the right move. You know, I mean, I think, like, some weight is probably good, but maybe even 20 pounds lighter, like maybe 230 something. Maybe that would be a better weight if you really want to fight it heavyweight because it seems like he was carrying. I mean, just. You ever work out with a weight vest on? Yeah, it's crazy.
- [87:13]
D
Yeah.
- [87:14]
C
Like a 25 pound weight vest. It's nuts how much harder everything is, is. So you got to realize he had fought at 185 and he fought at 205. That was what he weighed in at. But let's be honest, at 185, I think he probably weighed 220something. 226, I think it was fight night, which is nuts. That's £40 difference. And at 205, he probably got into the 230s. Like 235, 236, something like that. But still was not. Didn't look like he looked at 251. 251. He looked like he was carrying unnecessary weight. A little bit of it at least. And if he was just like 20 pounds lighter, he would still have that speed and movement. But he's always had crazy knockout power. It might be a better weight for. It just seemed like it was a lot of weight he had on him,
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A
you know, and it all went to his ass.
- [88:07]
C
His ass was giant fat ass, big fat ass.
- [88:09]
A
You know me, you know, that's all I'm looking at, though. That's why I watch ufc. And yeah, it was all there. It was like a backpack.
- [88:17]
C
Well, that's where all the power comes from, you know, when you're pushing off your feet and you know you're pushing off those quads and pushing into those glutes and then torquing that body the way he does. Ferocious power, dude. But damn, that serial Gon's good.
- [88:31]
B
Woo.
- [88:32]
A
Yeah.
- [88:34]
B
Crazy.
- [88:34]
C
So good, dude. And he's in his prime right now. Seral Gon is like really coming into his own. There's no heavyweight like him. No one moves like him.
- [88:42]
A
Yeah, I was going to say extremely accurate for a heavyweight.
- [88:45]
C
Not just accurate, agile. Because we were talking about this the other day, that basketball is a great place to start if you're a big athlete and you want to learn combat sports. Especially striking, because think about how many direction changes basketball players take where they're always kind of doing that. They're always spinning and moving. It's a series of plyometrics. It's a series of hops and jumps like Jordan's jump bump. Imagine if Jordan had a flying knee, you know?
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A
Right, right.
- [89:14]
C
He's hit you with a flying knee from 14ft away.
- [89:16]
A
Yeah.
- [89:16]
C
What do you got? What's that?
- [89:21]
A
It's interesting because.
- [89:23]
C
Oh, Cyril Gonzo. Yeah. So he started out playing basketball.
- [89:27]
A
At least where I come from. Basketball season and foot wrestling season are at the same time. So I Wonder what he was doing back then.
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C
Well, he's in France. France, right. So France does not have wrestling in their high school or in their college, you know, and he learned wrestling after he had become a really elite, world class Muay Thai fighter. So he's got the. The grappling has come up in big ways. Like, his grappling is much better than it used to be, but really primarily he's a striker. And when John fought him, like, John just got him to the ground and submitted him like quick. It's like the different, I think in that fight was kind of a big ass wake up call. And Francis beat him too. So Francis beat him by just. Francis just got a hold of him and most of the fight was on the ground. A giant chunk of it. Because Francis fought that fight with a blown out acl.
- [90:17]
D
Wow.
- [90:18]
C
Defended his world title with a blown out acl.
- [90:21]
A
Crazy.
- [90:21]
C
Had big ass knee pads on. I know. Wobbly ass knee, but that's how dangerous Francis is.
- [90:26]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [90:27]
C
He could just win it with grappling.
- [90:29]
B
It's.
- [90:30]
C
It's a shame that he's not in the ufc. It's a real shame.
- [90:33]
A
Yeah.
- [90:34]
C
Cuz like that whole thing was what drove everyone crazy about boxing, you know, that it was really hard to get these guys together, you know, and this was the whole idea why everybody was excited about what Riyadh season was doing and Turkey Al Shake and you know, all those people that put together these big ass fights like Tyson Fury and Alexander Usyk and the last one they just did, Rico Verhoeven and Usyk, like they're putting together these big crazy fights. Like, that was the thing that drove everybody nuts about boxing. And that's what drives everybody nuts about mma. The one thing is, it's the heavyweight division. The fact that the best heavyweight, or at least the guy who was the lineal heavyweight champion in the world, isn't even fighting for the ufc. That's crazy. Crazy.
- [91:20]
A
Yeah. Who knows? Maybe one day, right?
- [91:23]
C
Nope. No, I don't think so. I tried to make it happen.
- [91:25]
A
Damn.
- [91:26]
C
I think we need to get those dudes together. Look at that. Look at Cyril gone dunking.
- [91:31]
A
That's crazy.
- [91:32]
C
I know. See, that kind of ability to throw your body around like that is so huge as a striker, because a lot of those guys are plotting, you know, they're plotters. They just kind of like wobble through. I think what they need to do is get Francis and the UFC together. They all do mushrooms.
- [91:48]
A
Yeah.
- [91:48]
C
Just like make friends.
- [91:50]
A
Yeah.
- [91:50]
C
Because he doesn't have much Time left. I think Francis is 38. Is that how old he is? I think he's 38, which is different as a heavyweight. Heavyweights turns 40 in September.
- [92:03]
B
Whoa.
- [92:04]
C
Not much time left, right? 40 you can do, but unless you're Bernard Hopkins fighting at a world class level in your 40s, 30s, kind of unheard of. I remember when France, when Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlick, a lot of people did not think that he had a chance.
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A
Oh, yeah, very clearly.
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C
And he outboxed the. Out of here.
- [92:25]
A
Oh, man.
- [92:25]
C
Like, he looks so good.
- [92:26]
A
Truly the executioner.
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C
I want to say he was in his 40s when that happened, I think so. How old was Bernard Hopkins when he fought Kelly Pavlick? He fought at a world class level until he's 50 years old. Yeah, nuts. Yeah, nuts.
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A
We were all watching that one. Everybody from Youngstown going, all right, this is it. We're gonna get back on the right path because it was after his loss to Margarito. Is that right? Who's the guy that got caught with the cement in his gloves against the one guy, Antonio Margarito, I do believe.
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C
43.
- [93:00]
A
Wow.
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C
He was 43 years old.
- [93:03]
A
Wow. Against a 26 year old.
- [93:07]
C
Crazy. Especially at 170 pounds. Like, nobody thinks at that weight that you, you can be competitive at a world class level into your 40s most of the time, like people just write you off on the number.
- [93:22]
A
Yeah.
- [93:22]
C
They don't care what you look like. Like he's not gonna be able to do it.
- [93:25]
A
Was he the first one to be Kelly? Is that what I just saw? Wow. Okay, so he lost to him. And that's where shit started to get fucked up, because then he went on a bad run after that.
- [93:37]
C
Well, you got beat up like that.
- [93:38]
A
Yeah.
- [93:39]
C
It's just tough on the brain, dude. There's only so many of them fights that you could take where you get really beat up like that. Bernard put it on him. You know, there's been a bunch of fights where a fighter got beat up really badly, and then they were never the same again. Meldrick Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez. That's a great example. Chavez just put it on him and dropped him in the final moments of the round. And then Richard Steele stopped it and it was like this crazy controversy because he stopped the fight with like one second to go in a fight that Meldrick was ahead on the scorecards. But the, the real, the real story of that fight was that the damage that Chavez had put on Meldrick, Meldrick was never the same again.
- [94:23]
B
Pavlik Actually won his next two fights. And then I had a bad staph infection problem.
- [94:27]
C
Oh, wow. So after he beat Sergio, so he was set to fight Paul Williams, but to major staff infection and allergic reaction. Some antibiotics nearly killed him. Whoa. He eventually was able to fight again against light middleweight champion Sergio Martinez.
- [94:44]
A
Oh, Sergio Martinez.
- [94:47]
C
Martinez beat. He beat Martinez beat him him by. Yeah. Unanimous 12 round decision. Sergio Martinez was a bad too.
- [94:58]
A
He was.
- [95:01]
C
Yeah. In late rounds, Martinez came up. Yeah, it's. It's just a crazy sport, man. You only have so many wars in you. There's only so many times you could do that. And the really clever guys are the guys that just don't get hit much.
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A
I went down a Maidana rabbit hole recently. Oh, my gosh. That guy's a freak.
- [95:21]
C
Oh, he's an animal.
- [95:22]
A
What a career.
- [95:23]
C
He was an animal.
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A
Unbelievable. He fought everybody.
- [95:27]
C
He was one of the few guys to really rock. Floyd Mayweather.
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A
Yeah.
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C
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A
Oh, I love that.
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C
Yeah, he got Floyd's tooth and wore it as a piece of. See if you can find the tooth tooth that Maidana had of Floyd. Look at that.
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A
Oh my God, that is so cool.
- [97:42]
C
How hilarious is that?
- [97:43]
A
That's so funny.
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C
He had his tooth put on a. He wears Floyd's tooth on a necklace.
- [97:49]
A
Wow, that's crazy.
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C
Boy, what a square jawed that guy is, huh? Yeah, look at that jaw. That guy looks like he could hit him with a baseball bat. He was a tough dude.
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A
Insane career. I think he fought everybody.
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C
The Broner fight too. He dropped Broner. That was when Broner was in his prime. Yeah, he was a beast. It's a, it's a hard ass sport. Any combat sport is a hard way to make a living profitable. Do you see all the stuff that's going on with Floyd?
- [98:21]
A
Yeah, I, I can't wrap my head around it. I don't understand how someone makes that much money and doesn't pay taxes or whatever. Whatever.
- [98:29]
C
Yeah. Well, I could tell you how you run out of money.
- [98:32]
A
Yeah.
- [98:33]
C
You know, you, you spend so much money on things you don't.
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Do you think he has a business manager?
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Maybe he wasn't looking out for his best interest.
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I mean, just, you gotta put somebody in charge of that amount of money.
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You would think, you would think $750 million would last you a while. Yeah, he's. I mean, it's not even 50.
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A
You give one guy 5%.
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C
How old is Floyd now? Yeah, put some away. But the thing is, it's like that lifestyle, his lifestyle was all about showing you his wealth. His lifestyle. He's 49. Imagine making $750 million and you're 49. You're broke. Oh, God, that's crazy. But Tyson talks openly about how he spent hundreds of millions of dollars, just went through it. You know, if you're living that life where you're just wearing diamonds everywhere and you're buying crazy watches and you know, Floyd does these things you're seeing when he, he'll go into a hotel room when he's traveling and he talks about like the watches that he brought. And so he opens up suitcases with millions of dollars in watches. Just open suitcase. You ever seen these?
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A
No.
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C
Find them because they're kind of hilarious
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because he's just trying to figure out which one he wants to wear. He brings Them all with them.
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B
Yeah.
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C
It's just showing off. He's showing off that he's got two suitcases filled with diamond encrusted Patek Philippe's and you know the, the most high end of watches. Look at this. See if you. Do you have the clip? Here it is. Put some volume on this. Look at this. Always in my business, worried about what I'm doing, what Floyd is doing, what Floyd ain't doing, what I do got what I don't got. Just know I'm a stay in my lane. I ain't gonna with nobody and I don't want nobody with me. If I go on vacation, my fault. When I go on vacation for 30 days, I take 30 watches with me. Look at this. But you know what?
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B
You know what?
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C
What's crazy is this. If we add 10 more days, I take 10 more watches.
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B
Watches.
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C
But then I say it. If I want to bring out the one and only, then I bring out the watch that cost 18 million.
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A
Oh, Jesus.
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C
Matter of fact, you know what I'm gonna do for you haters today? I'm gonna go off $50,000 because I ain't got else to do. Money made all day. You know what's crazy? That's the problem. So that you can only do for soul long.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So if you have one $18 million watch, like, okay, let's not get crazy, let's not get crazy. You wanted to get it, you got it. You have 750 million dollars. You have one 18 million dollar watch. You can't have 18 watches that cost millions of dollars. Like, because you're going to need more. You're going to keep wanting to buy more. You're going to keep, you're going to run out of money. How many Rolls Royces do you have? Okay, each one of those is a half a million dollars dollars. You have four or five of them. How many Ferraris you got? Ten Ferraris. Okay, what? Some of those Ferraris are almost a million dollars. You have 10, almost a million dollar cars. Okay, so just in watches and cars alone, we're looking at 50, 60 million.
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B
Okay.
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C
And then you have to make 120 plus to actually have 60. I don't know if he's leasing them. I don't know how he's financing things. I don't know. But I just love to know the
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A
reality that money back by. He can make the money that he needs back by literally making a super documentary about how he spent it. You ever seen that? 30 for 30 broke about how the NFL players all spent their money.
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C
No.
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A
Well, it's unbelievable. One of the easiest watches ever. And like it. It's got to be 30 for 30s. Like biggest production ever. Like it's everywhere. It's. It's just huge. And yeah, who the hell doesn't want to know about that?
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B
Right?
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A
And I'm waiting on that Nicholas Cage doc that I. Probably nobody's making either, where it's like. Because he's a different version of that. You know about this?
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C
He went broke.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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C
But then he made it back again.
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A
Well, yeah, he works his ass off. So he went on a. He's on a terror. He's just making movies left and right. And yeah, going from 100.
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C
He faced severe financial struggles in the late 2000s, going from $150 million fortune to being 6 million in debt. Whoa. He never officially filed for bankruptcy, but he cleared his debts by relentlessly taking on movie roles, including direct to video films, and selling off extensive real estate and assets.
- [103:15]
A
I guess he bought like a lot of T. Rex skulls. Like he spent his money on like crazy things. He didn't just go watches and cars. He would find crazy pieces of art and like old historical things, I think.
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C
Well, he was a movie star from way back, you gotta realize. Like what was his first film? I think his first film was like 1980 or something. Yeah, I remember him being a movie star when I was in high school. Yeah, that's a lot of time of being in that bizarro Hollywood bubble, getting your brain cooked by fame.
- [103:49]
A
Yeah, he's one of those. You can watch him do anything's like one of those freaks where even though people will say, I don't like this Nicholas Cage thing, I don't like that.
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B
From an article about what he spent his money on.
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C
$455,000 for two snakes. Okay, so it was $276,000 in 2005, the equivalent of $455,000 dollars today. Thanks. Inflation. How crazy is that? What's the 4 think about that. $275,000 in 2005 is $455,000 today.
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A
Damn.
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C
How fun is inflation.
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A
Wow.
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C
What was Nicholas Cage's first movie?
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B
Officially? Yeah, he's in a few things, like
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C
unofficially, just that crazy movie with him
- [104:37]
A
and raising Arizona to be like the first big hit.
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B
Right.
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C
That was a big one. That was a big one.
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A
His new ones are good too, these wacky ones.
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C
Filmography, if you go all the way back. 1982, fast times at Ridgemont High is Nicholas Coppola. Valley Girl is What I was thinking of that was in 83.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Credit is Nicholas Copola. That's before he changed his name because he didn't want to be connected to. What is his uncle. Francis Ford Coppola. Is that what it is? Okay, Valley Girl. So Valley girl was 83. So I was in high school. Dude.
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B
Arizona. Peggy sue got married. Those are big.
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C
Too big. Those are huge movies, dude. Raising Arizona is so funny. I saw that like a year ago. I forgot. I forgot how funny it was. Remember Ty Cobb or Tex Cobb was in there. The boxer with the flattened nose who fought Larry Holmes. He did a bunch of movies.
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A
The big white guy.
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C
Yeah, big, big corn fed white guy on the motorcycle. Yeah.
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A
Oh, yeah, he's great.
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C
It's a Coen Brothers movie, right? Raising Arizona is. Those guys might be the goats. They might be the goats of comedy. Them and the Farrelly brothers.
- [105:47]
A
Yep, no doubt.
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C
See how many amazing, hilarious fucking movies. And the Coen Brothers was. They were always so out there. Everything's so out there. Some of their films are just like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, King was Kingpin. Fairly Brothers.
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D
Yes.
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C
Those guys, too.
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A
Without a doubt.
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C
Fuck, that was good.
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A
Unbelievable.
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C
Fuck, that's a funny movie.
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A
So fucking great.
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C
So funny. The scene where he's throwing up in the toilet when she's talking about him eating her pussy to pay his rent.
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A
Oh, my God. Oh, Woody's range is incredible.
- [106:22]
C
You know what? I heard about that movie that they had primed all the actors to get really excited when Bill Murray throws three strikes. Because he had to throw three strikes in a row. And so they said, this might take a while, so we're gonna really need your enthusiasm. And then Bill Murray actually threw three strikes in a row, first attempt. And everybody went crazy, like, for real, because they were, you know, like, they were said, this is not going to happen this way. So when he actually did it, everybody went fucking bananas.
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A
Nuts.
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C
Such a good movie.
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A
I love it, dude. Woody's a freak, bro. Since he's moved here and goes to kill Tony and, like, we hang out and stuff. Stuff. Only after, like, being making friends with him. Like, I knew he did a lot of great stuff, but he sneaks up in so many great things, it's insane. He's in. What is the Cone Brothers one with Not There Will Be Blood. It was made at the same time with Javier Bardem. Oh, my God. How am I blanking on this? It's no country for Old.
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C
Oh, that's right.
- [107:29]
A
He's in it and he's not Even. They don't even, like, promote him on that or anything. He just comes in the movie halfway through with all these other fucking greats and is crushing.
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C
It's hard to think that that's the
- [107:41]
A
Coen brothers movie, the People vs. Larry Flint. He's a freak of nature.
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C
Fucking that thing that you sent me the other day with him when he was playing lbj.
- [107:49]
A
Oh, my God, it's so good. I randomly stumbled across that one. I'm like, I'll fall asleep to this. Woody is lbj, and it's one of those movies that fucking kept me awake, awake because it was so goddamn good. Mesmerizing.
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C
Super nice guy, too. Like, easy to hang out with.
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A
Oh, my God, the best.
- [108:06]
C
Very chill with everybody. Just hangs out when he's in the green room. He's just like, one of us.
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A
Yeah.
- [108:11]
C
Normal.
- [108:12]
A
Yeah.
- [108:13]
C
You know, it's just hard to do. And you've been famous that long. Just be cool.
- [108:17]
A
Yeah.
- [108:17]
C
But also, he doesn't have a phone. You get a hold of him, you got to get. Go through his wife to get a hold of him. He's smart. Just insulates him from himself, from all the nonsense.
- [108:25]
A
Brilliant plant.
- [108:27]
C
Yeah. But I think when you get to, like, that level, you kind of have to or you'll go crazy.
- [108:31]
A
Yeah.
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B
You know?
- [108:32]
A
Yeah. He has this fun. He likes laughing, sipping his tequila, smoking his weed. He's got it all figured out. Grows his own weed, makes his own tequila, eats live food or whatever, and just laughs and enjoys life. It's perfect. Perfect.
- [108:51]
C
Yeah. It's nice to know that people can make it through that crazy maze. And, you know, you could either go nuts and buy Tyrannosaurus rex calls, or you could just completely disconnect from it all and just be yourself.
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A
Just.
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C
Just keep. Keep killing it. I know him and McConaughey have a TV show that's coming out where they play brothers, right?
- [109:12]
D
Yeah.
- [109:13]
A
I think it's on Apple tv. Coming out soon. Yeah. Yeah.
- [109:20]
C
So what's it been like? Like, the. The weirdness. The post roast weirdness.
- [109:28]
A
I'm always surprised by these things. I'm always surprised that they last so long that anybody's talking about it. It's so bizarre. I was surprised with the Pang Dang thing. I was surprised at the Trump thing. And this one is really surprising because with other ones, they're like, ah, there's a time and a place for jokes like that or this or that or whatever. And this is the time and the place for it is like the roast of Kevin Hart. You know, I'm gonna go for it.
- [110:01]
C
Yeah.
- [110:01]
A
And we roasted Kevin. You know, I did a George Floyd joke in the. At the Tom Brady roast, and I did a. Who's the white guy that shot people? It's the same fan base as. God damn it. The kid that shot people up in wherever.
- [110:24]
C
Be a little more specific.
- [110:26]
A
The white guy shot a couple people, had a gun at a thing. They made it look like it was black people, but it was actually white people that he shot that were shooting at him or had guns. What's his name has the.
- [110:38]
C
I have no idea who you're talking about.
- [110:39]
A
David Lucas is friends with him, brought him to the club.
- [110:42]
C
Oh, Kyle Rittenhouse. That's it.
- [110:43]
A
That's it. Oh, Kyle Rittenhouse joke. I did this and then this one. People are offended or something. I don't know. And, yeah, if you just watch that clip on my dismount, it's a crazy clip, but if you watch the entire flow of the roast set, it's just one last departing joke, which. That's my thing, man. It's like, I knew Earthquake would be standing up on his feet. Like, he was halfway through my set, you know? You know, there's standing O's that are happening during my actual roast, and on this one, because there were so many people on it, it was such a long, big roast, you know, they set you to an allotted time. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do something I don't normally do and blast off more jokes per minute than I normally do. Instead of milking it and getting applause breaks and things like that, that I'm just gonna create a bang, bang, bang, bang, bang final stand of things. You know what's funny is that I have something that's supposed to offend everybody. Like, I don't want you to, like, 100% of any of my jokes. I'm not that guy. I'm Heelish. I'm a bad guy. You're a pro wrestling heel. Exactly. So what's funny is people got offended about the George Floyd thing, and people. A lot of people said, yeah, well, Pete Davidson did a Charlie Kirk joke joke. And they're comparing these things from two different spectrums. But what. What they didn't mention is that I did a Charlie Kirk joke in my set. So them. Them, them, them. You know what I mean?
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C
Everybody gets them.
- [112:15]
A
Everybody gets. It is always.
- [112:17]
C
Everybody gets some jokes.
- [112:19]
A
Everybody does. I said that Kevin has quite the fan base. He has more gunfire at his merch table than Charlie Kirk it or whatever. And so, you know, for people to nitpick that joke and be offended. And it's funny. Cause it was A lot of comedians, a lot of black comedians were like, I'm upset about this. You know, they made their videos, which is just hilarious. Cause they're not on the roast. They're not in attendance at the roast.
- [112:51]
C
You saw Tiffany Haddish.
- [112:53]
A
That was the best one. Nobody handled it better than her.
- [112:56]
C
Find Tiffany Haddish getting asked questions. A TMZ thing. Yeah, about the roast. Because she handled it so perfectly.
- [113:06]
A
Trying to. They were trying to bait everybody.
- [113:09]
C
Of course they were.
- [113:09]
A
Everybody. Even Cheryl Underwood, who handled it all like a champ. We made friends before at a Netflix brunch that week. That was for that festival.
- [113:20]
C
Well, dude, I told you about Cheryl.
- [113:21]
A
Yeah, she's the shit.
- [113:22]
C
She's awesome. Yeah, I. I worked with Cheryl in, like, the early 2000s, I think it was in Montreal. I told you. She a monster. Yeah, she'd go on stage with her purse on, just clutching her purse on stage and murder, dude. She'd murder. Here's Listen to Tiffany. We mo. You look so good. Do you have, like, 30 seconds to chat really quick? Yeah. So talking about Kevin Hart roast, right?
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D
Yes.
- [113:46]
C
It was so much fun. So Loni Love. They didn't think so. Lonnie love was like, you know what?
- [113:50]
D
It's exhausting.
- [113:50]
C
It's edgy. Specifically about the George Floyd joke. What are you thinking? Is it just comedy? Should they have been a little less. I think it should have been shorter. The show was too long.
- [114:02]
A
Okay. I mean, I was sitting there the whole time.
- [114:04]
C
I had to pee something. I didn't hear the George Floyd joke.
- [114:06]
A
Cause I had to pee so bad.
- [114:08]
C
So you was in the bathroom with him? Yeah, I was a glorified seat filler,
- [114:12]
A
and I was tired.
- [114:13]
C
Well, also, I mean, Lonnie and other people were like, oh, maybe it was a little too racially motivated.
- [114:19]
A
What do you think as far as, like, the jokes?
- [114:21]
C
Is this just comedy, or are people taking it too seriously? Is this all comedians saying it that wasn't invited?
- [114:33]
A
That's the fucking comedian. Tiffany Haddish, bro.
- [114:36]
C
That was her version of the Sean o' Malley walk off camera.
- [114:40]
B
I love it.
- [114:41]
A
I love it, man. You never forget those people that actually are answering honestly in real.
- [114:46]
C
Well, real comics.
- [114:47]
A
And again. And it's the same thing for 100%. She's. Not only is it a fun walk off Home Run, but she's also 100% correct. There's nobody that was there that was offended. There was no ruckus there. It's just like everything else where you leave and you go, huh, this thing's kind of crazily taking off. It seems a lot of people are talking about that one joke at the end. It's so weird.
- [115:14]
C
We live in an outrage culture and an outrage. There's a. There's money in outrage, there's engagement in outrage. Outrage is the. It's the commodity that everybody wants. They want to be outraged.
- [115:27]
A
Yeah.
- [115:27]
C
And they want to be right. And if you're outraged and you've got a good point, you just ride that fucking thing for as much juice as you can get out of it and then you move on to the next thing.
- [115:35]
A
Yep.
- [115:36]
C
What are you mad at now?
- [115:37]
A
It. You know, there's never. In any of these things, there's never a moment where I'm like, okay, this could cause a problem. It was. It's never been that way, wild type. It was high fives. High fives and laughter after my 3pm set in a half filled Madison Square Garden waiting for the 8pm arrival of Trump to speak. I'm, you know, on a 34 person lineup. Everyone was thrilled. Way to get the crowd going. I mean, we're just getting the party started. The lights were up. Like, it obviously wasn't the best position for me on that lineup, but the same exact thing. And then it's like a little bit later you realize, like, oh, they're making a news story about the Puerto Rico joke of all things. So interesting.
- [116:21]
C
I told you that joke is gonna be a problem. I would have never told you to do that joke during that. But I told you that was gonna be a problem in your.
- [116:30]
A
It wasn't supposed to be in my original thing for that. It was a last second filler because they gave me more time than everybody. It was a very bizarre thing. They gave me more time for every bizarre thing.
- [116:40]
C
First of all, the idea that you would go on after someone. Like, who went on before you? Stephen Miller.
- [116:44]
A
No, not. It was the national anthem with a guy painting. A painting. Actually, no, he went on after me. I went on right after the national anthem.
- [116:55]
C
But someone had some kind of like, rah rah speech. Make America.
- [116:59]
A
I wish there was. That all came like way after, which is crazy. They just had me on the wrong position on the thing. And you should only do stand up.
- [117:09]
C
We're totally doing stand up.
- [117:11]
A
Totally. Totally.
- [117:12]
C
It doesn't work.
- [117:13]
A
Totally.
- [117:13]
C
It's like. But you gotta say, but then again, it did.
- [117:16]
A
It did work in house. The place isn't Miked for, I'm sure stand up comedy or lit for stand up or anything like it.
- [117:23]
C
No, they were laughing.
- [117:24]
A
They were having a good old time.
- [117:25]
C
Well, they're probably happy that something wasn't stiff and boring right now, like taxes and. Right tariffs.
- [117:32]
A
I mean, Rudy Giuliani went on like three hours after me.
- [117:36]
C
That's crazy.
- [117:37]
A
Yeah, it was a nuts all day. It was a super long thing. My point being is that it always surprises me, me that I'm the news, even though I'm. Because if someone else said it, if it was a politician that did it or someone else, someone high up in the administration, that would make sense. Same thing with the roast. If it was a clean comedian. Right. If Nate Bargazzi or Jim Gaffigan were on it and they said that, that's crazy, me saying it. That's normal.
- [118:07]
C
They don't know that though. See, the thing is, it's like, like you've achieved a level of fame that like really snuck up on people over the last couple years. You know, it's cuz the rise of Kill Tony has been completely organic. Like there's been no promotion of Kill Tony that made it become what it is. It's all just people sharing it on YouTube, sharing it online. That's all it is. Clips and these moments, you know, and then, you know, obviously the Shane moments and all the, the Kyle Dungan, it's been just so many amazing moments. This such a good show. It came organically. And then you got to this point over the last couple years, like, oh, we got to pay attention to this guy. And then we had. And then after they started attacking you from the White House thing or the Madison Square Garden thing, rather, which is 2024, then it was on. Then it's on like Donkey Kong.
- [118:59]
A
Right.
- [118:59]
C
So that's two years later. So now you're a guy that they go to like to get mad at. And there's a bunch of people like that online that that's their business. Their business is people are mad at them. They have hot takes. People are mad at them. Yeah, I mean, that's so you. You've fallen into that category. And so there's going to be people that genuinely don't like what you did and don't like you. And then there's going to be people that are just using it as a commodity. They're just using it as outrage, which is part of what the game is. You know, this, this is what they do do and their engagement, you know, game that they play. And it's kind of what we do in the joke game.
- [119:37]
D
Yeah.
- [119:37]
C
You know, you get engagement, you get people to laugh. They. You say outrageous things that you don't even really mean. But this. Because it's a funny thing to say. It's just like I always say, Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. You know that.
- [119:49]
A
Right, right.
- [119:50]
C
It's like, it's just jokes, like when you say inappropriate on purpose. Purpose. And that is like, everybody used to know that, like, Louis CK was a very left wing, progressive guy when he was saying really up things that he didn't mean on purpose because they were funny.
- [120:07]
A
Yeah.
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C
Like that was what he did and everybody was fine with it until somewhere around it seems like it was like 2016, 2000. Like it started to turn a corner where it became like people are starting to take these things as statements rather than as comedy material. And they started trying to pretend that the person really means this. Like, that's where it got crazy. And that happened around the time where social media really came into prominence. Because before that there was no real avenue to do that. There's no real avenue to pretend you were really deeply upset.
- [120:43]
A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, I'm sure there's some people that were upset, but there's also a lot of like, people that are just. Just ill. They're online all the time on these social media apps just arguing and spitting out venom and yelling at people and they yell at them. It's like they're in hell all day long. And then anytime something comes along they could be upset at, they gotta. They have to have their take. They have to have that hot take.
- [121:05]
D
Yeah.
- [121:05]
C
And if their hot take gets engagement, they're all looking at their likes and they just start re. You know, re engaging with that subject and going back on it. And this is the real problem.
- [121:14]
B
Them.
- [121:14]
C
Okay, good luck with that. That's bad for your head, kid.
- [121:18]
A
Right, Exactly.
- [121:20]
C
Very bad for your head. All those people that I know that are like, especially comics that are doing it. The comics that are doing it, almost all of them don't have good careers. No, all of them.
- [121:29]
A
Right.
- [121:29]
C
None of them have, like, impressive career, especially compared to their contemporaries that are doing well. And then on top of it, they're all mentally ill. They're all people that are filled up with pharmaceuticals and.
- [121:40]
B
Yep.
- [121:40]
C
They're going to therapy. They're like, literally mentally ill and they're online talking about fascists.
- [121:45]
A
Right.
- [121:46]
C
You know, like, stop, like get your together. No one. Your opinion is not that valuable to people because they know that you're up. Do you not understand that.
- [121:55]
A
Right.
- [121:55]
C
Like, the way you view the world is. Is. It's not a healthy, balanced perspective. Like, you're viewing the world in this, like, mentally ill lens.
- [122:06]
A
Well, the whole online thing doesn't. It doesn't even convert to sold tickets or a bigger thing. It's such a temporary drug for them to get to fill this void of what they're not doing.
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C
Right. It doesn't convert to them people wanting to go see them. No, I mean, some people, maybe they get like a little juice out of it, but it's not enough because you're also opening the door. If you do become popular, you have to understand that if you've been spitting hate at people. People. For a decade, and then you become popular, boy, that hate's coming your way. Oh, yeah, it's coming your way. You know, and I mean, this is one of the things that I said after the Mencia stuff. I said, even though I think it was the right thing to do, I wouldn't do it again because it's just too much. Yeah, it's just too much. You just. You create all. You just feel the darkness of it all. The negative. It's all negative. It's all negative. Even if. Though it had to be done because you've got this guy that wants with it. It showed me how completely absent of morals and ethics the business is. Completely absent.
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B
Right.
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C
They knew what he was doing and they did not care. They didn't care because they were profiting from it. This is the conversation that I had with my agent when they were dumping me. I told them, I go, you're making a mistake right now. That's going to affect the rest of your life. You have to understand the choice that you're making. You're choosing to align with someone who, in any other industry, that person would be in jail.
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A
Right.
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C
If that person was. And also if this was in literature or if this was in music, they would be sued into high heaven. Like, there's songs that, like, they don't even seem like they're that close to each other, and people had to give, like, songwriting credits to it.
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A
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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C
Like, songs. Like, people get inspired by certain songs, and then they write a song that sounds close enough that there's a rhythm to it that people get upset.
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A
Well, there's only so many notes and so many chords and there's only so many beats and so much timing. And it's often the same thing with comedy. Like, there's some crossovers in a writer's room, which I'VE been in so many of. So many people writing on the same subject will have the same gif. It's only when it's like what Mencia was doing word for word, long form.
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C
Well, that was a different thing. He was a buccaneer. That was a totally different thing. But there's songs like. Okay, so I was listening to this video the other day, watching this video the other day rather that was comparing Radiohead's Creep to an older song. And they had to give Creep.
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A
Creep.
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C
Radiohead rather had to give this older song writing credits for this, which sounds so different. And then Radiohead accused Lana Del Rey or someone from their organization accused Lana Del Rey of having a song that ripped off Creep or was Sounded too much like Creep. And it did sound a little like Creep, but it was very different. Like it should be. Obviously this is like inspired by it. Right? If that's the. Like Elvis Presley's entire career was inspired by black musicians. Like he's in like the way he danced and moved and the way he sang. So it's like, what are we doing? Like there's stealing and then there's. Inspired by. Inspired by is what we're all doing. It's like we were talking about that computer earlier, that chip manufacturing thing. That thing was built on the back of all the fucking super wizard geniuses that have been working on all the different technology that led to that being. You can't just invent that in a vacuum.
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B
Vacuum.
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C
You have to invent that on all these other inventions that have taken place for decades before you.
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A
Right.
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C
This is this like with music. It's interesting how litigious they are. Maybe it's because they're run by a certain group of people. Told me. But they're so good at like suing people. Like Bittersweet Symphony. You remember that song?
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A
Yeah, totally.
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B
They had a.
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C
They had to give all their money to the Stones.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yep.
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C
Because it was. What song?
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A
It's.
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C
Let's ask Perplexity. Well, Tony is. Or while Jamie Rather is.
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A
Oh, I can't do that. That's right.
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C
No, you can't.
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A
Oh, we have to do.
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C
Get us.
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A
I know five song called the Last if. If. I mean we learned this the hard way. Cuz I have an actual band that can play anything and everything. And years ago they could play anything and everything. Our old episodes hold. Because you know, I'd literally be to a. You know, a shy person. I'd be like, what do you. You know, you ever do karaoke? They're like, yes, I'D go, what song do you sing? And then they go, da, da, da, da. And I literally, they would go right into it. And now you can't hum a song for a few seconds.
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C
So. Bittersweet Symphony was a sample from. The Verve developed Bittersweet Symphony from a sample from a 1965 version of Rolling Stone song, the last time adding vocal strings, guitar, and percussion. After a lawsuit by the Rolling Stones former manager Alan Klein, the Verve relinquished all royalties to the Rolling Stones members Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, who were also added to the songwriting credits.
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B
Wow.
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C
2019. Ten years after Klein's death, Jagger, Richards and Klein's son ceded the rights to the Verve songwriter Richard Ashcroft, because he was probably brought.
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B
There's similar things that have happened recently with, I think, Olivia Rodrigo and Paramore and then, like, Puff Daddy and.
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C
Yeah, can you please look up the other one that I set up, though, which was Radiohead Creep. Lana Del Rey and Radiohead Creep had to give songwriting credits to another band.
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B
The Hollies.
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C
The Hollies, that's right. What was the original song? The Air that I Breathe. Breathe. It's interesting when you listen to. Let's listen to them. See if you could find that. There's a comparison video that I watched on YouTube. See if you can find that. Because it's interesting how they. They. They say the first one, and you're like, geez, I don't see it. We'll have to edit this out, ladies and gentlemen, but you could find it yourself. Radioheads Creep versus Lana Del Rey's Get Free versus the Hollies. The Air that I Breathe. Yeah, that was a live version of it. But if you hear the recorded version of. It's even more. You could see. But people get inspired by things. I get it, though. I get it in those cases, especially, like the beginning of the Holly song and then the beginning of Radiohead, like, Dead On.
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A
Yeah.
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C
They're set in a mood, like, a very specific mood.
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A
Have you ever seen how the guy from Here's a crazy one, the guy from the Gorillaz, the song. Clint Eastwood, I think it is. He had a, like, one of those, like, little kids kind of keyboards, and he hit the demo button because, like, oftentimes it'll just have a regular song or whatever, and it's the entire backbone of their biggest hit. You'd have to. You'd have to pull it up, I guess, to understand, but it's that. Yeah, there it is. So that's just on the thing.
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C
Wow.
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A
And somehow they got away with it.
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A
And then all they do from there is it's just. Yeah, that's the preset.
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C
It's the Rock 1 preset. That's so crazy. They used that. They used a preset from one of them little machines like a toy.
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A
And much like the crazy jokes that end up getting me in trouble, I bet they don't even think that's gonna be the hit. You know what I mean? Like, they're probably not like, this is the song that's gonna fly off the shelves.
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B
Yeah.
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C
But other people see it, Tony. I was the one who told you you're gonna get stabbed for the Puerto R.
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A
There was. That was so many years later, it's crazy. I was doing that joke during the pandemic to the point to where it got extended to where you were part of it. And what's funny is I left those tags of the longer joke out of the Trump rally. One which probably would have protected me. It probably would have saved it going, ah, it's gonna get me stabbed, whatever. You know what I mean?
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C
Then you would have to do the Amy Schubert joke.
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A
Well, yeah, there was a lot to it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
People don't realize that that's A giant of a much bigger chunk at the time.
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C
Well, that's why it should be in a set.
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A
Yeah.
- [132:09]
C
You know, comedy is a such a weird art form. I mean, look, I love it to death, but real comedy should be seen in person.
- [132:17]
A
Oh, yeah.
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C
You know, Stanhope said this once, like, it was like, everything we do on TV is just to try to get people to come see us in the clubs.
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D
Exactly.
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C
Like, that's really what it is. It's like, you just really want people to go there live. Because that's the real fun.
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A
Yeah.
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C
The real fun is all us, a bunch of human beings around and having a good time.
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A
Right.
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C
As soon as you start taking it seriously and making it something that it's not like, you're. I get why you're doing it, because that has become a thing that people do today. But I'm just saying, like, for your own mental health, just not. It's not good for you to be engaging. Like I was saying about the Carlos thing, like, just engaging in conflict. It's not good. It's not good for you. It's bad for you.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Feels bad. It's not good. It's not. It's your. This is. There's negative energy and positive energy. It's. Just spend as much of your time possible on things that make positive energy. I know that sounds hippie, and because I'm a little bit of hippie, I got a lot of hippie in me. But that's what I believe. I believe you should spend as much of your time having fun, making people laugh, having a good time, and less about dwelling on.
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A
Yeah.
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C
That's why I try to stay off Twitter, because when I get on, I just start freaking out at all the different news stories that are just abomination after abomination where you're just so angry.
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A
It's just impossible now. And, you know, it used to be Twitter, was Twitter and this and that, but really, it's just the news. X is the news.
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C
It is the news.
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A
It's so hard to absorb that it was fun and, you know, it's cool and all, and my algorithm still shows me stuff that I love. Police chases gone wrong and. And UFC highlights and all of this stuff, but all the stuff around that is just crazy. I did a thing because I was staying at a hotel in. In D.C. right after the State of the Union or something. Anyway, I'm like, okay, it's a hotel tv. I never get to watch regular tv. I'm gonna be asleep in a few minutes anyway. Anyway, so I Threw on. I ended up going by cnn. I'm like, let's see what these wackos are saying over here. Let's see how fake the news can possibly be. Because from what I understand, the most recent State of the Union was a solid State of the Union and very positive and long and entertaining. Let's see what they say. Oh, racism, this. He caused the deaths of black people here. He's the reason why we. Why America's failing. It's the reason why we're the laughingstock of the country. Country. It made me so stressed out, and I'm like, okay, well, let's see what Fox News is saying. And it was crazy over there. And then you have.
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C
What did they say?
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A
Well, they had their counterpoint person on, unlike CNN where they're just all in agreeance. Yeah, yeah. And going by six people, literally going, yeah, he's the worst. And let's not forget that he doesn't think trans people deserve this and this. And, like, they're just going on and on about straight dudes. And Fox News had a counterpoint person that was stressing me out. I swear to God, I'm not kidding. This is not a joke. I was flipping through the different channels, go by msnbc. I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy. I put on Silence of the Lambs
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C
to calm yourself down.
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A
I swear to God. I was asleep five minutes later, and I ended up. It just coincidentally was on the Buffalo Bill part where, like, he's got a girl in a. Well, pure darkness. And I'm like, finally some peace on the cable television. I never get to just watch normal tv.
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C
So did Fox News have a positive spin on the State of the Union address? I did not watch it.
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A
I remember for some reason, it was stressing me out, whatever was going on, because, like, they had. They. At least Fox has. They'll argue still like the news used to be. They'll have both sides on and kind of talk it out. And CNN has that poor guy. That poor one guy that just takes all the bullets for everybody. He's just going, you're lying. This is. That stat doesn't exist.
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C
Scott Jennings.
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A
Yes.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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A
That poor guy is probably. He probably has months to live. He takes so many bullets every day. He's a war hero out there.
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C
It's. It's a very turbulent world when it comes to discourse. It's just. Everybody's mad at everybody else. Well, it's really weird to watch. It's really weird to watch these. These shows on CNN now that are Basically, like bad podcasts that get interrupted every five minutes for a commercial. It's really what it's like. I just don't. I don't remember it being that way where it's just so many panel opinion shows. I remember it was. It was more like CNN used to have Bourdain's show on, you know, where they would travel around the country and check out or travel around the world and check out out food. And it was interesting.
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A
Y.
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C
And he would, you know, give you his perspective on the cultures and all the, the problems and the things that these people were facing and their food and what, what the community was like, great show. They did a bunch of different shows that were different, you know, and then somewhere along the line, man, they just went all outrage.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And I don't think that's going to get any different now. I mean, now it looks like Barry Weiss is going to be running that as well. Well, so she's running the CBS News, and perhaps she's going to be running cnn or the same company is going to be running cnn. It's like, okay, yeah, good luck. Good luck. Because it's already. People already don't want to listen. They don't want to take it seriously. Yeah, they, you know, and that's why X has become the news. The reason why it's become the news is because they can't trust the news.
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A
Right.
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C
You know, totally.
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A
It's crazy over there.
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C
Like, Tim Dillon had these two New York Times reporters on his podcast, and I listened to him talking about it. I hadn't listened to them on the podcast, but I listened to him talking and he was saying that they said, there's no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence. And I was like, what? What? There's no. If I could watch one Mike Benz episode of my podcast where he breaks it down, it's almost impossible that he's not right. Like, what the fuck are you. Like, no evidence. No, that's not true. There's just evidence that you're not considering. So it's like if the New York Times and the people that we're always supposed to trust to be the objective purveyors of all that's going on in the world, if they're compromised so they're not allowed to say things, or they have narratives that they're supposed to spin one way or another, or they're very cautious about being honest about their opinion, very, very shielded about their actual opinions, either one of those is not good, or if they actually believe that that's not good either, because that means you're not really paying attention objectively. Like, watch a Mike Benz episode where he breaks down Epstein's connections. It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. It's crazy that anybody could say that he wasn't Intelligence.
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A
Yeah. There's no doubt about it. But they will do anything to push their own story.
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C
They don't. Yeah, it's. It's a propaganda network.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And whatever that propaganda is, I mean, that propaganda will shift depending upon who's in control of the realm of the reigns. Rather, the realm really is a realm. Realm of knowledge. Nonsense. Well, whoever's in control, they're going to be the ones that dictate how the narrative goes, and it's always going to be whatever the sponsors are. That's why you never hear anything about any of these studies that they're showing about the vaccine safety signals that they found very early on, how they hit it. All this Fauci stuff, they're not showing any of that. The Tulsi Gabbard speech, we talked about that, where she gave this speech explaining how he lied to Congress and Fauci. It pressured these other scientists to change their perspective on whether or not it was gain of function research.
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A
Yeah. The shit that we had a pretty big feeling about back in 2020.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You don't hear any of these people. They're not covering it.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And they can't, because they can't really tell you the whole news. They can only tell you the news they're approved to tell you. That's not good. And that's how X comes about. That's how X becomes the place where everybody trusts. But then you go to X and it's just filled with horseshoe. There's so much lies. There's always video of something happening. And they're saying, this is going on right now. And you're like. And then someone says, no, this is a video from 2022.
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A
Right.
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C
This is in, you know, this part of the world.
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A
This is AI.
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C
This is China. This is not Israel. This is. You know, it's like there's so much horseshit and there's so many bots.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It's like you just dip your toe into the water and you just feel poisoned. You're like, I gotta get out of here.
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B
Here.
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D
Yep.
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C
But then you feel irresponsible for not paying attention.
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A
Exactly. You know, I feel like so many people feel like they're doing the right thing, watching the news and being informed, and they hear that the news is fake and they think that's just like a Trump talking point. I've always said that Trump calling it fake news was like one of the worst things that could happen. Because then it sounds like a Trump thing and the Trump enemies go, fake news. Sure, it's fake.
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B
Fake.
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A
If he's saying it, then it can't be fake because we have to disagree with him. Meanwhile, it's a. It's a goddamn production. I mean, it is fake.
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C
And they're right. It's fake. Yeah, it's fake. There's a lot of the news is fake. It's not true. All that. I mean, the fact that no one got in trouble for all that Russiagate stuff.
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A
Crazy. Absolutely crazy.
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C
And that this still list the same people that were pushing that Russiagate or they're still giving opinions on tv.
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A
Right.
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C
It's nuts.
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A
Yeah. There's no repercussions to be found. They get to say whatever they want. It's crazy.
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C
Well, the repercussion is no one takes them seriously. And that's real. They've suffered that. I mean, we've seen that in real time. And I think the pandemic was the big. That was the big wakeup call for a lot of people, especially people that were forced to take the vaccine because they had jobs or, you know, they had a fly or they had family members, and then they. They got some horrible side effect. And those people got what they call red pilled. You know, I know a lot of people that got red pilled from that. They just can't take it anymore.
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A
It's crazy. And it's bubblish, you know what I mean? There's certain areas geographically in which that's the mentality and they stick to. I mean, here in Austin, I'm known as, you know, a skinny little faggot. I went to LA and it turns out I'm a racist Nazi. Like, I'm like. They were doing jokes on me at that roast in which it's like, what are you guys talking about? There's parts where I'm literally like, what the. I've never even heard this about myself. I'm on a comedy show every week where people take shots at me and I've. None of this is a thing.
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C
Well, it's made up and it's all. They also made up a bunch of stuff about like, you going to Saudi Arabia.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Which is crazy.
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A
Right? Crazy.
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C
They just made it up.
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A
Yeah. Not only made it up, turned it down. Like, didn't go. When offered vast sums of money that the busboy Bag boy Tony would never imagine turning down.
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C
And people don't even know that you turned it down because you haven't been public about it.
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A
Right. I mentioned it. I meant glazed over it on one for one moment on Kill Tony once.
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C
But, yes, the people that turned down that money are you and Shane Gillis.
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A
Yeah. And meanwhile, Netflix clipped that and po and pinned it on their Instagram that joke. And with the caption, long sip because I'm sipping my water because the joke isn't on me, so the camera shouldn't be on me. Meanwhile, they're getting my reaction shot to all you guys took that Saudi Arabian money. And it makes it look like I'm offended or something. Something. Or guilty of taking Saudi Arabian money.
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C
But just a joke. When you just lie about a fact and to make a joke is crazy because you're just lying. Like, that's. There's a difference between that and making a joke about something. Like, you had to make something true and then criticize them for something. So you had a lie about something and then criticize them about that lie that you just invented.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Which takes three seconds to find out it wasn't true.
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A
Exactly.
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C
It takes a really quick search. Like, oh, he didn't go.
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A
Right.
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C
Okay.
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A
On the contrary, the guys that Chelsea was complimenting during that set, basically, Kevin Hart and Pete Davidson, did take the money and went to Saudi Arabia also.
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C
You don't think Chelsea Handler would have taken that money if they offered her to go to Saudi Arabia. She went to dinner at Epstein's house.
- [144:50]
A
Exactly.
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C
What the fuck are we talking about?
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A
But it's all right. Because Woody Allen was there.
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C
Yeah. And apparently she gave him the. What have you. She told him. That's what they said. She told him.
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B
Him.
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C
She was very upset with him. Yeah. At the intelligence agent slash sexual predator's house.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Guys who arrested for statutory rape. That's fine, though.
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A
Crazy.
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C
Just.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Don't be a white guy.
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A
It's enough.
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C
It's just the whole thing is so stupid. Like, if you want to make fun of someone for anything, for, you know, you looking gay or you. Like, you're down with.
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B
With that.
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C
But there you. When you invent a fact that's not true, you say it's not true, and then you criticize someone for that. Like, that's stupid. That's a stupid way to do comedy.
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A
Yeah. You know, and the way that it's covered and everything, it's like, what. What are you guys doing?
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C
Well, if you didn't know and you people didn't Know, obviously, because they laughed. They thought you. Maybe you did go, or maybe Shane did go. They didn't know that you were the two people that did say no. You know, Jessica Curson went and she got criticized so much, she gave her money away. Away. She gave the money away. I think she gave. What did she do with the money? Find out what she did. But I was like, oh, man. Listen, those people that went to see Jessica Cursor, first of all, I heard she murdered over there. She's very funny. She's a dynamo. She's a killer on stage. Very, very entertaining. Lovely lady. I love her to death. She's fun to talk to. She murdered over there, I heard. So a lesbian woman. Woman from New York went to Saudi Arabia. Like it donates Riyadh Comedy Festival fee to human Rights Campaign. Well, wow. All that money's going to someone's payroll.
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A
Yeah. It's going to daycare center in Minneapolis.
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Yeah, you feel better. But meanwhile, someone. It's paying for someone's salary. That's probably not fixing homelessness or whatever the it is. That's what they do. Tom Segura went and put a photo of a Ferrari and said, thanks, Saudi Arabia. Yeah, but everybody was very upset. But my, my perspective is the people that are in that audience. If you're upset at the people that, that are paying and organizing. Okay. The people that are in that audience, though, that they're performing to, they don't get a chance to see American stand up comedy, and they're getting a chance to see it live. And stand up comedy, like music, like literature, changes people's minds. It changes all art. Where you see someone, a different person than you, with a totally different perspective that lives on another side of the world that says something that you think is hilarious and you love, it changes, you know, it changes people's perspectives. You win hearts and minds. I mean, that's real. Like, you. You can change the world a little bit by getting people to say, hey, we kind of are. We all have a lot of shared interests. We just want to have fun. We just want to be with our friends, be with our family and do what we want to do. Like, everybody wants that, including those people in the audience. Like, those people in the audience in Saudi Arabia were just Saudi Arabian citizens. They're just a bunch of people that lived there that came out to see comedy, like performing in front of them. I mean, what is wrong with that? It's wrong. You're supposed to boycott it because the people that run it probably were involved with the killing of Jamal Kashogi in some way or the people that finance it. Okay, maybe I see, I see how you didn't want to do it and I see how Shane didn't want to do it and I probably, probably wouldn't want to do it either. But I don't have any problem with people doing it because I think at the end of the day you're just like, I don't have any problem with Saudi Arabia putting on these boxing matches that I talked about. I love that they put on these boxing matches. And oddly enough, that's not really criticized that much even by like heavy duty left wing MMA media, which is a real thing. There's a lot of like shit libs that are MMA media just because they're journalists and they just happen to be fans. But they have that like hardcore left wing perspective. They don't seem to have that much of a problem with it. Not like people had the problem with the comics over there where guys like Louis and Bill Burr, they just get destroyed for that.
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Yeah, yeah. It's nuts.
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But I think Segura had the right move. Just don't even pay attention off. I'm gonna perform wherever I want to perform, you know?
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Yeah, no, it makes sense. Totally. I just can't go straight from a Trump rally to Saudi Arabia. Like, it's a little bit of a hop, a skip and a jump.
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C
I know. It's also, it's like, you know, is that what you wanted do? I don't want to go there. It's too long.
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A
Right.
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I want to be on a plane for 16 hours to go anywhere.
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A
Yeah, exactly why I hate it. I hate flying.
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Yeah.
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Off.
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It's terrible.
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Come to Texas.
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A
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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It's just we live in a very polarized society and I think a large part of that is what we were talking about earlier with social media and mentally ill people just, just screaming into the void every day. I think just would like to suggest to people, just try not to engage like that for a month and see how much better you feel. Yeah, just try it.
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Talk and make friends.
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And hopefully that's not how you've set up your life where you have to do that for a living. Hopefully you're not one of those people because there are people that are paid posters and they make a pretty good living just posting and getting engagement. Well, you know, I don't know what to tell you. You're trapped.
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Right?
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You know, if you, if your whole thing is like on people all day long, you're kind of trapped Trapped. Yeah, but you can't feel good. There's no way. No, there's no way. It's like the amount of cortisol that must be pumping through your body all day where you're going over and, and I see like people that do that. I see how they get destroyed in the replies and I'm like. And I know they're reading that like, good lord.
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Yeah.
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Like, I don't know how Gavin Newsom is still alive. Every time he posts something, the way he gets, gets destroyed in those comments, it's like insane. Well, no one is happy.
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It's just the funniest thing because it's. He reminds me of like one of the last actual politicians. Like he's a different just lying, ignoring of facts type of human being because we're witnessing it. Maybe it's easy for someone in, I don't know, New Hampshire to go, ah, that Gavin Newsom's the future. But we lived in California and I've been to San Francisco recently and we've seen it like when you travel, you know, comedians aren't the end all be all and these wise, whatever sages perhaps, but we do travel a lot and you spend a weekend in a city and then you're not just doing your shows, you're having lunch somewhere, you're having coffee somewhere, you're dealing with the people at the hotel lot, whatever it may be. There's different communications and vibes and energies and there's so many of these places, especially California. You know, San Diego is like a last stand. Huntington beach is an area around there. There's like these little pockets in which there's still some common sense and happiness. Enjoy Newport, these little pockets. But those major cities are man, even the drive. And you know, I go to LA basically maybe once a year now for a quick always fun visit. Always doing some arena and a couple nights at the store, which is different unfortunately. But the drive from LAX to that area of West Hollywood slash Beverly Hills is gruesome. Gruesome. Everything is for lease. Everything is empty. There's nothing new except for the crazy looking weird ass Obama Museum library, which is the craziest, weirdest eyesore humanly imagined.
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C
Where's that?
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It's like on the way up there. I can't remember if it's like off of La Cienega or Fairfax.
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C
That's not the new one because the new one is in Chicago.
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Is it?
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C
Isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Oh, it is. What's the. They built something that looks just like
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that monstrosity now the one in Chicago, people don't like it. I think it looks dope. It looks like. It looks like something from Blade Runner. Yeah, I like it. A lot of people don't like, but it cost a lot of money. Cost like $850 million. See if you can find out what that building looks like. Show me a photo of something that
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A
looks just like that building.
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B
Sports comic complex online in Los Angeles. They made.
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C
Who did? The Obamas.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Oh, okay.
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C
What is the. The one in Chicago. A lot of people were criticizing and I saw it. I go, that thing looks dope. I love it. Like that thing. Where is it? Yeah, the. The one there where your cursor is. Click on that. Oh, that's a rendering.
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I don't think it's done yet.
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C
Oh, it's not done.
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B
Maybe. I don't mean this.
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C
I thought people were in it.
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B
I don't think so.
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C
What's it down there in the lower
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B
show this online and it. Everyone was going crazy.
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C
I thought people were already going to it.
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B
I don't know that.
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C
I think that's it. That looks like a rendering to me. That looks fake as. But that one down there. That one down there with the darkness in the corner. Yeah, right there. Is that real?
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B
Encyclopedia Britannica.
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C
I think that's a real photo. I think it's done. I might be wrong, but see if. Oh, you have Los Angeles, Chicago. Yeah, it's real. So it's up. But I. I think it looks cool. It's different. People are saying it's ugly. It looks like. See if we can find photos of it. Go to im. Yeah, just. There we go. Like there. Dude, I think that looks dope.
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A
Really?
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C
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Windowless.
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C
Look at how all the writing on the top. What does it say? Go all the way up, please. Oh, unconstrained convention by. What is.
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A
It's written on two sides. Side, so.
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C
Oh, right. Oh, it goes all the way around it. Oh, that's cool. I think that looks cool. I mean, maybe I have no taste.
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A
I mean, we can't even find an angle of what they're trying to say there, so.
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C
Right. I don't know what it's saying, but I think it's cool that they did that. That they had words that go across like that. I just think it looks sick. But I like that kind of brutalist architecture. I think that's what they call it. Yeah, I like that kind of cool cement with big glass. Like there's a lot of houses like that, especially like in the Hollywood Hills. That I love. I looked at one of them back when I was starting to make that cheddar, and I was like, maybe I should live in Hollywood. And then I could just do the store right there. But I was like, probably not that safe. I looked at the house above the store that Mitzi was selling. Selling what was on Colfax. Was that what it was? Was that the street? It was the comic store, the comic house where, like, Kinnison stayed there and Paulie lived there for a while. But I had dogs. And I was like, this is not enough backyard. It's too small. And also it's like it's too close to the machine. Yeah, it's like right next to the beast. Like, I don't know if I want to be like, right next to the beast. I think I'd rather be outside the beast and go visit like that for me, for my health head. But I looked at a couple of houses up there and one of them was this house that was like, really? It was out of my budget.
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B
Really.
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C
I was just. I shouldn't have been looking at it. It was like 10 million bucks. And it had crazy like. Like concrete with massive windows. But it was right there on the street. Like, you're walking on the street, there's a sidewalk. You could re over and touch the front door of the house. And I was like, yeah, this is kind of crazy to buy this house. And the guy was like, don't worry, we have a state of the art security system. So I go, yeah, you know what that is? I go, your cameras are going to catch a guy with a ski mask robbing you.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And two weeks after I said that, the guy who owned the house got shot in it. Whoa, two weeks got shot in the neck?
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A
Fuck.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Damn.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. So, hey, that's these places, man. Man.
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C
But the arc, that kind of architecture, I think is dope. I like like that crazy modern cement stuff. But for a house like what you're going to live in, the reality is you'd probably be like, I'm sleeping in a museum. This is too weird. Yeah, I'd rather just have a regular house.
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A
Yeah, Windows are a necessity.
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C
Yeah, I just want to see stuff. I just want to be able to have a cup of coffee and see some trees, you know, Let me just sit out and fucking collect my thoughts for the day, you know? I don't necessarily need to be in a fucking museum. Concrete ass big. It's. There's something weird about it. It's like, you're too weird if you Live like that. You're weird, man. You're living with this giant 20 foot high glass wall in front of you that looks out at the Blade Runner scape. That is Los Angeles from the hills.
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A
Hills, yeah.
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C
Have you seen that view at night? Have you ever been up to a house?
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
Have you seen this house?
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C
Oh, that's sick. I love that house.
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B
It's known as, like, the Oakley Founders house. I don't know if he still owns
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C
it, but yeah, that's up there. Yeah, that house I love. See, if I was single and a baller, that's where I would live. 210 million a bargain. Love that. I see like that. I'm like, oh, my God. That's where I love. Love it, but I don't want to live there.
- [158:41]
B
For real?
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A
Yeah.
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C
I think after a while you would be like, I'd rather have a log house.
- [158:46]
B
I was trying to find pictures of Kanye's concrete house, but this is not the one I was looking for specifically.
- [158:51]
C
I just love those kind of houses that look like that. Like, especially that one, that circular one. The way you pull into that driveway and the. The entire back house faces the lights and you see the lights, like, it's hard to see from photos of how. Look how sick that looks, man. Man, that's sick. I love that. But the lights from that, like, if you're up in the hills, you want to be above, looking down, and it's like a movie. It's like a sci fi movie. It's one of the coolest views I've ever seen.
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Holly has the. As crazy as it sounds that when he made it, he bought a house that's on top, top, top, top, top of the Hollywood Hills with that MTV money. Yeah, dude, it's crazy. He remodeled it recently when I was there for the festival. He's like, dude, you got to come see the house. Come see the house. I'm like, paulie, I'm so busy. That's very highly unlikely. Come see the house. Dude, you got to come to the house. Sure enough, I went there one afternoon for a fucking coffee, bro. It is crazy. He was right. He's got the house. He did it. It's on top of everything. So there's. If a robber does try to go up there, they're robbing someone else's house. They don't want to go to the tippy top of the fucking. That's a tough escape.
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C
That's the problem, is the escape.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You want to be close to the bottom. Right, Right. Speaking of which, I've been watching. I got. Went down a rabbit hole the other day on YouTube. We're street racers. And there's this one guy who is like a famous street racer because there's all these videos of him. He got his. His thing set up where he can shut the lights off. He's got this black Corvette vet. I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie.
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B
I think I've seen this guy.
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C
Yeah, his name is really slow, like R Y, L S, L O. And he's got videos of these cop encounters. So they like baits cops and then goes on these mad runs. And you, you watch it, you go, holy. Oh, I love it.
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B
Cars on the screen.
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C
Yes, this is the dude.
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B
Yeah.
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C
So about him, not just. Yeah, this is. Well, he's like a legend online because he does interviews only with a voice changer where it takes his voice in the mix like that, where he describes all the modifications that he did to his car. But he puts a 3D camera on the back of his car and he. You know, they have those things where you stick it on the back of your car and it gives you a 3D view of the automobile. And he has video of the cops, like flashing their lights. And his car has got a thousand plus horsepower. So these poor cops, and they're like 300 horsepower, crown Victoria, they try to chase this guy, he just disappears. And then once he gets out of the line, like go back to that video where it was before. Watch this.
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B
I mean, it's. This is. It's just edited. It's not his videos. It's just someone.
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C
I understand. But if you just. I know this video.
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B
Video.
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C
But if you. What, what, what he does is they start pulling him over. And in the beginning when they pull him over, he hits the gas and then shuts his lights off. Did you pass that? Here it is. So. So this is it. So they hit the lights and he's like, see ya. Are they going to show it?
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B
Yes. This is not the.
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C
Okay, so it's not the compilation. So when he does it and he hits the gas, he gets far. Here it is. He gets far enough away from them, they're not showing it. These. They have to edit their own. Leaving it alone is better. So he gets ahead of everybody and then just. He has a button where it kills his headlights and he's using night vision.
- [162:30]
B
Wow.
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C
Yeah, it's nuts. So is this it?
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B
Yeah, he enters ghost mode here.
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C
Yes, this is it. So this is this guy. So his license plate says, will run like it's a Fake. It's a fake license plate. The cops get it behind him, they hit the lights, and he goes, bye. And the cops realize there's no way to catch this guy. It's not. Look at that. Oh, Lights go out, and he's gone. And he's flashing lights on people to get them the fuck out of the way. And there's no way to catch him. And then he bangs U turns. He knows where he's going. He plots it out. And the thing is, he's filming this and uploading it.
- [163:06]
A
Oh, yeah.
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C
So he's gotta hide his identity through how many different channels? How does Instagram not know who he is? How is he posting? Hosting, I guess. He's using a vpn. He's probably using a proxy, and he's probably going through some other country or something if he's smart. If he's smart enough to avoid detection. But he just has these crazy car bills. Like, he's got a Calvo Viper that has, like. I mean, I don't know how many horsepower that thing has, but they make some of these Calvo Vipers. It's a company here in Texas. They make vipers that have 2, 000 horsepower power.
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B
Damn.
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C
What? Like, where the are you talking about?
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B
Anybody know where does he always do it? In the same city?
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C
I think he's in the Dallas area.
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A
How fun.
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C
Well, yeah. Well, not good if he kills somebody, but it's very spooky. Yeah, it's nuts, man, because this dude really knows how to drive, too. And you see these poor cops, and one of them, the cops wipe out. They slammed into another car, and then they're trying to pass by these cones, and the road cuts off, and the cop hits the cones, then loses control of his car and slams into another car. So, like, people can die. Especially if he runs a red light and he runs a lot of them, and someone's being an idiot. Maybe someone's doing exactly what he's doing while he's running the red light.
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A
Dude, you have to see what Kanye is doing right now.
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B
It's a.
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A
It's a historical moment in all of art. It's unbelievable.
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C
Yeah, you said that he's standing on the globe.
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A
Well, not only that, he. The entire everything is a super production, and it's all him. Like, you could tell he's made every decision and tweaked everything to the. To the color of everything, to when it happens, to how it happens, that it's not too much. He's not overwhelming the senses with lasers and lights and all of this, it's all so strategic. But most importantly, it's. First of all, it's the fucking greatest production I've ever seen of anything. And I come from Pink Floyd land where the live show has to be ahead of its time and state of the art and everything for my mind to be blown. And I was expecting this to be like every other rap concert that I've seen, which is going to be fun and good and maybe great. Of course it'll be great. But this was like a thousand times my expectations. Because first of all, he's doing pop up shows at stadium, which is crazy. He announces it a week or two in advance and the stadium's like, okay, we're sitting empty that night. We'd love to sell beer and water and get a percentage of merch, right? How these venues work, they don't give a. And he's not promoting it. Everyone else that's been to one or seen one is promoting it. And then the mayor of whatever city or whatever leftist person, whether it be the governor of that state or whatever, is like, this shouldn't be happening. So they're promoting it for him. And it's filled to the top of the fucking stadium. Whereas even Pink Floyd or the Rolling Stones or whoever announces a tour all at once and goes, hey, buy tickets. I'm on tour. Pretty please come, right? He's just like, San Antonio, July 4th, a week ago, literally. And what's crazy is that my buddy got me tickets to go see him in Tampa, because all we knew is that he was going to Tampa. And so there I was and I'm looking and it's filled to the top and the floor is filled and he doesn't stop, he doesn't take a break.
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C
There it is.
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A
I saw that on Instagram after his first one that he did, I think it was in la. And I'm like, oh, that's crazy. I need to see this.
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C
That is nuts. That stage is nuts.
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A
But these pictures and videos do not do any justice to what is happening happening. Sound wise, energy wise.
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C
Just that stage alone is insane.
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A
It's crazy. And he enters at the. He walks through the crowd because obviously it's in the round. He comes out and you hear a pop from one side because they can kind of see him. And then the globe turns on and you know, he waits until it's dark. So he is. He enters at one point and then inside is a. A lift that only takes him. So, like, there's no one that can storm that stage or anything because it's inflatable on the outside, so it's an impossible, impossible to, you know, storm the stage or anything like that. And he's the only one that has access to the lift, obviously, and he has a tether that he's attached to so that he doesn't go off or anything.
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C
So it doesn't fall into the balloon.
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A
Exactly.
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B
And.
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A
And it is the most diabolical show I've ever seen in my entire life. Ever. Wow. And that includes all the fucking everythings. And again, I come from the school of Pink Floyd, which is always 10, 20 years ahead of its time, production wise. And this was fucking nuts because he does not stop. He does not take a break. He doesn't go, thank you guys for coming out until the very end. In which he goes, it's all about love. I love you guys. Thanks for sticking with me all these years when all these people said this. And then by that point, two and a half hours, then when he's saying that you're just like, you got to be fucking kidding me.
- [168:22]
C
We realize the bulk of his work. How many bangers that guy has.
- [168:26]
A
Oh, it's nuts.
- [168:28]
C
Bangers.
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A
And I, as an experiment, took my one buddy who said that, you know, part of the group was my one friend who has always been like, I don't know, you love Kanye. I mean, not really my thing, but he's not. He's just not really a rap fan is the reality. So I invited him on this trip and his mind was fucking. Now he's a die hard Kanye fan. Now he's going back and you know, realizing that he's always been a Kanye fan. Like it's such a crazy fucking thing because not only does he have hits on hits on hits, but he does not stop in between songs because some of his beats kind of correlate or this and that. He'll literally just keep going and going and going until his amazing. On his new album, he has this keyboardist with one of those like crazy blow into tube instrument things. I don't know what it's called, but he has a solo, a big one on one of the songs, which is. Gives Kanye a minute and a half to catch his breath. An hour and a half into non stop going annoying. And also on top of all that, you know, a rap concert's a rap concert, but Kanye is the greatest producer of all time in that industry. So every noise that's happening, even if he's not talking or singing or rapping into a microphone, is all him and him only, you know, What? I mean, like, he might get an idea or an inspiration, as we talked about, or he's a master of sampling old hit songs and having them be in the backbone of the thing and everything, but this is. It's just a whole nother level, absolute insanity. Like, I thought I was gonna go there and be like, yeah, and maybe, you know, move a little bit or sing along or whatever, and instead my jaw was dropped the entire time.
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C
Is there anybody that ever bounced back from being canceled like him?
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A
And that's really the underlying thing. There's this feeling of. Of loyalty that's there and we're right. You know what I mean? There's a feeling that everybody there is like, they're correct. Does that make sense?
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B
Yeah.
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A
I saw a breakdown of it because my algorithm's feeding me Kanye stuff non stop since I went to it, because somehow Instagram knows and whatever. And I watched a breakdown of it, talking about how, like, it's like this psychiatrist or energy specialist or something that's talking about how and why this is the craziest content or ever done before. And she breaks it down and goes, people that like Kanye believe in themselves. Because if Kanye saying, I'm the greatest, I'm the man, I'm a God, all of these things makes you not like him and you insecure. You're insecure. Does that make sense? Like, it's like he. If that turns you off to somebody, then you. You don't really like yourself that much.
- [171:29]
C
Why do you think that?
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A
Well, again, this was someone else's psychological breakdown of it. And I'm probably not explaining it correct because I was stoned on a couch.
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C
I see what they would be saying to try to defend him, but there's some people that just get turned off by that kind of braggadocious rap music. I don't. I love that shit. Well, I love 90s hip hop. Talking about how great they are. I love it. Yeah, I'm a giant fan of that.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You know, I think, like, some of my favorite rap lyrics, like, some of Nas's lyrics, just him talking about how he's the.
- [172:04]
A
Yep, totally.
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C
I don't mind it at all, but it's like, it's when you're singing along to that stuff and you're listening to that stuff, like you're feeling what that guy's feeling when he's saying it, and if his raps are hit, if his rhymes are really hit, hitting especially like Kanye or any of the greats, you know, Biggie, Tupac, Nas, like, when. When they're nailed. It's like, oh, my God.
- [172:28]
B
Oh.
- [172:30]
C
With good lyrics and good execution. It's a beaut. It's a fucking amazing art form. Even if USA really did create it.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I don't, I don't want to believe that. You know, I think they probably very. They promoted it. What's really interesting is the lack of. Of big rock and roll bands. I know Jamie's kind of defended this, but I think it's a fact.
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A
Oh, no, no doubt.
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C
There's less big rock and roll bands than when we were a kid. When we were a kid, rock and roll was everything. It was like rock and roll. And if you liked rock and rap, like, you are a weirdo, you know?
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A
Yeah.
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C
Like, I really became a rap fan, like, almost like silently, like secretly, because you had to be a rock fan if you, if you loved rock music and you went to rock concerts, like, that's all you liked. But I was like, yeah, but this is good too.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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C
You know, I'd like, listen to ghetto boys. I'd be like, you gotta listen to this. Come listen to. This is awesome.
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A
Yeah. Oh, my range is absolutely ridiculous.
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C
Or our green room.
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A
I just got Roy Orbison on vinyl. Oh.
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C
Oh, yeah. Pretty Woman.
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A
Oh, my God. And again, that's one.
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C
We're gonna be in trouble for that probably.
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A
And again, Pretty Woman, much like Pink Floyd's wish you were here is like one of my. When you get into the radio stuff, it's kind of funny how some bands and musicians get like typecasted by their hit. Whereas, like pretty Woman's kind of repetitive and easy even though it's a jam. Right. But his other songs that, like, I hadn't even heard before because I'm like, this guy seems like he has some fucking and some hits and he does, man. And you know what I mean by the Pink Floyd thing is it always fascinated me that people go, oh, yeah, I like Pink Floyd. Wish you were here. Another brick in the wall. And it's like, damn it. It's because those are the radio songs. Because they can't play an 11 minute long shine on you crazy diamond. All their real hits that they're real echoes, which is like 17 minutes and go slow and fast and bluesy and then jazzy and this and that.
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C
Yeah, there were so many songs like that, especially from like the 70s, where they just took wild chances and had long ass songs like famously Free Bird. Like record executives were telling them, like, the beginning of it is too slow.
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A
Yep.
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C
And they're like, nope, this is the song.
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A
Exactly.
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C
This is what it is.
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A
Bohemian Rhapsody.
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B
Yep.
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C
There's another one. Yeah. Whole lot of love. Yeah, Whole lot of love is a minute and a half of fuck sounds and symbols and shit. It's weird.
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A
I only recently got to see the. The Queen movie, whatever that is. Is that Bohemian Rhapsody? What is so whatever they.
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C
I haven't seen it.
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A
Yeah, well, I walked in on a part where it's the wreck. They're at the record executive's office and he's going, this can't be the. The main single off of this thing. And. And Freddie Mercury's like, dude, it has. And I'm obviously not quoting this, but. And the record exec's like, man, you're saying gibberish at points. It's slow with a piano. You're saying things that don't even make sense. And it's eight minutes long. Like, what are you thinking? And they're arguing back and forth and back and forth, back and forth. And his bass player, guitarist, or one of the guys that's in the meeting with this record exec sitting behind a big fancy desk, points at the wall and goes, so you were the record exec that made this, huh? And he points at Dark side of the Moon. And you see the record exec go, oh, fuck. Because what the fuck was that? It starts with a heartbeat, has no words for the first. What? However long.
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C
Also, what is the deal with it aligning with the wizard of Oz? Crazy Roger says it's just coincidental. I know, but it seems like the universe organized it.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It almost seems like evidence of the simulation.
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A
Yep.
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C
Because it's so good the way it lines up.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It's too good.
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A
I've always said it's the craziest coincidence of all times.
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C
I feel like it's evidence of the simulation. There's something about it. There's evidence of like, some weird, bizarre synchronicity between those two pieces of art.
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A
Part.
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B
Yeah. The product producing that would have been near impossible.
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C
Impossible.
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B
Not that you couldn't, but just the
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C
amount of planning and so hard things out. Yeah.
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B
Technology then would have been so hard to do.
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C
Yeah. So hard. Pink Floyd would. Had to. They would have literally have to watch it and then go over each beat and decide how high was the person
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B
that figured it out too.
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C
Right, Right.
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B
Discussed. But like.
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A
Yeah.
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B
How do you notice that? Hold on. Is it going? It's still going for 45 minutes.
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C
But meanwhile, it's perfect. Like, we've watched it before.
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A
It's perfect. The lyrics are the scariest part. God. Which one is which? At one point when. Only when. The only moment when both the good witch and the bad witch are there.
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C
Yeah, it's nuts.
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A
And the wildest one to me is always when she's balancing on the thing, you know, in black and white with the other farmers around and on the run, that crazy blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah starts and she falls off at the that exact moment and chaos is happening. It's crazy.
- [177:45]
B
Is there a why in that conspiracy? You know, like, why would they have done that? Just to do it.
- [177:51]
C
Just for funsies. Because they were Pink Floyd. Yeah.
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B
There's a lot of other movies you could have picked.
- [177:56]
C
Well, I mean, Roger Water says it was an accident.
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D
I know.
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B
I'm just saying, like.
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C
I know, I know. But the conspiracy theorists, I don't know, I mean, I would imagine they think that I've had the people that believed that it was some sort of a coordinated conspiracy heresy. It's like, why wouldn't they say that? Why wouldn't they just say we. We lined it up with.
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B
That'd be awesome.
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C
The wizard of Oz. Yeah. If they said that it would make more people watch it and more people listen.
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A
Well, they did pretty good off of it.
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C
Yeah, they did pretty good. Who are we to give them advice?
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A
Yeah.
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C
Speaking of doing pretty good. You're killing it, dude. Congratulations.
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A
Thank you, buddy.
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C
It's awesome watching it all.
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A
Thank you, man.
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C
You're taking all the hits. You keep on moving, keep on trucking. Just make. Makes it stronger.
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A
On to the next one.
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C
Makes the jokes better. New jokes are killing it.
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A
Yeah.
- [178:38]
C
Yeah. It's fun. We're having a good time.
- [178:40]
A
Yeah. Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the best. Working them out at the mothership.
- [178:43]
C
Yes, sir.
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B
All right.
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C
I appreciate you, brother.
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D
Thank you, man. Oh, yeah.
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C
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