Jamie Vernon (3:16)

I'll show you what I'm seeing.

Joe Rogan (3:18)

Can you send me a link? I'm trying to.

Jamie Vernon (3:21)

Look, I'm confused, too now.

Dan Soder (3:23)

One show early.

Joe Rogan (3:25)

I think we're live, so. Okay, don't say anything

Jamie Vernon (3:32)

says we're live.

Joe Rogan (3:34)

Do you see it on YouTube? Here's.

Jamie Vernon (3:35)

This is just on the back end. This is what I have. This is what it looks like. That says live. It says end stream.

Eddie Bravo (3:40)

Oh, it's been live for two minutes.

Joe Rogan (3:43)

Okay. This is so stupid.

Eddie Bravo (3:45)

I don't know.

Joe Rogan (3:46)

I'm trying to figure it out.

Jamie Vernon (3:46)

Hold on. They changed this, too, since we've lost on it.

Joe Rogan (3:50)

Well, the weird thing is it's just not showing. It's like, how would anybody find it? Are we shadow banned? That's the. The grand conspiracy. Have we been shadow banned from our own channel?

Jamie Vernon (4:03)

That says we're going.

Joe Rogan (4:05)

All right, we're recording either way, right? Yes, I am recording it as a backup. Let's figure it out. And text me a link when it's up.

Eddie Bravo (4:14)

We'll do it live.

Joe Rogan (4:17)

Joey Diaz, what are you doing over there? What's going on,

Eddie Bravo (4:23)

boys?

Dan Soder (4:23)

Fight beautiful.

Joe Rogan (4:24)

Let's go.

Eddie Bravo (4:25)

What's up, boys?

Joe Rogan (4:26)

We don't have to go to England. This is a good fight, though. Eve Loev. And I feel like Laron Murphy's the one guy that got completely left out of that conversation. It didn't make any sense to me.

Brian Redban (4:37)

Which conversation?

Joe Rogan (4:38)

The conversation, like, who fights next for the title. Like, he wasn't. Like Alexander Volkanovsky talked about him. He said, I'll probably see you next. He wanted him. He wanted him.

Eddie Bravo (4:47)

And he starched Aaron Pico with, like, a crazy spinning back elbow. Dude.

Joe Rogan (4:51)

So good. Undefeated.

Eddie Bravo (4:52)

And he was just like, nah, Diego Lopez, we're good now.

Jamie Vernon (4:56)

It just was unlisted now. It wasn't public for some reason.

Joe Rogan (4:59)

Oh, how dare they. Is that us? Our fault. Okay. I don't see it. Up there. It is. Okay, it popped up. All right, let me share this. You guys talk for a second.

Brian Redban (5:15)

So what's up with the White House card?

Eddie Bravo (5:17)

The White House card?

Joe Rogan (5:19)

I've.

Eddie Bravo (5:19)

I've been pretty. I've been going pretty hard in the pain on it. And here's the thing. It's a great card. That's. That's where people get it twisted. It's a great. It's an amazing card. It's not the best card that we've ever seen, and we were told it was supposed to be the best. That's my issue.

Joe Rogan (5:34)

That's a trump thing. We're going to have the best fights. Nine world titles. He can't help himself. He can't help.

Eddie Bravo (5:41)

It was Trump and. But Dana said that too. He went on Pat McAfee show and was like, this is going to blow the sphere out of the water. It's going to be the best guard you've ever seen. It's like, well, so.

Brian Redban (5:51)

So who's in it? Who's in it?

Joe Rogan (5:53)

Well, there's serial gone versus Alex Pereira.

Eddie Bravo (5:56)

That's your.

Joe Rogan (5:57)

That's your co. Interim heavyweight title.

Brian Redban (5:58)

That's not a rematch, is it?

Joe Rogan (6:00)

No, no. That's the first time I heavier. It's a great fight. First time.

Eddie Bravo (6:04)

It's a great car. That's the thing. It's a great card. The issue is, is like, say before we went live, I got on here.

Brian Redban (6:11)

Joe, Joe.

Eddie Bravo (6:11)

If it'd be like, Joe getting on like, this is going to be the greatest show I've ever done. And then people tune in like, it was good, but he told us it was going to be the best.

Brian Redban (6:20)

And they're going to have it outside or are they going to have like a. Like a. Build a tent?

Joe Rogan (6:24)

That's a really good question.

Brian Redban (6:25)

They need to make a tent outside.

Dan Soder (6:27)

It's outside the joint. They're building up right now as we speak.

Brian Redban (6:30)

Oh, they are.

Eddie Bravo (6:30)

But they're supposed to warm up office.

Dan Soder (6:33)

I'm not sure they're supposed to warm

Joe Rogan (6:35)

up in the oval Office Mats.

Eddie Bravo (6:38)

That's what I. That's what I was told.

Joe Rogan (6:39)

Who told you this?

Brian Redban (6:41)

Dana, I'm.

Joe Rogan (6:45)

Imagine if they clear the furniture out there and put mats down and. Guys are kicking pads, bro.

Eddie Bravo (6:50)

Bill Clinton got his dick sucked in there.

Joe Rogan (6:52)

That'd be in the lensky room. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan Soder (6:55)

And now you're going to be stretching and hitting. The problem with that card, guys, this is the only problem with that card.

Joe Rogan (7:01)

There's no problem.

Brian Redban (7:02)

Who else is on it? I want to see.

Dan Soder (7:05)

Everybody was waiting for Alex Perea against Jon Jones.

Eddie Bravo (7:08)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (7:08)

Yes.

Dan Soder (7:09)

Okay. And that's a disappointment to me. That's it. The card is fantastic. Listen, that poor bastard. He's going to wait forever for Conor McGregor. What's that?

Eddie Bravo (7:17)

Michael Chandler.

Joe Rogan (7:18)

Chandler.

Brian Redban (7:19)

You know he's going to die.

Dan Soder (7:20)

Come back.

Joe Rogan (7:21)

You know they're gonna meet each other in the parking lot of a Waffle House one day.

Dan Soder (7:26)

Let it go.

Eddie Bravo (7:27)

They said. They said, Chandler, we can't do Connor, but we can do Hoofy for you. It's a horrible matchup for him.

Joe Rogan (7:31)

Well, he thinks that because. I think. If I had a guess, he. He thinks that because Benoit sent Denis, broke him with grappling that he's going to be able to get a hold of him and do the same kind of thing.

Eddie Bravo (7:41)

Fair.

Joe Rogan (7:43)

Benoit is very big now.

Brian Redban (7:45)

Why wasn't very big? Jon Jones, how come he didn't.

Eddie Bravo (7:49)

They couldn't come to agreement?

Joe Rogan (7:50)

Yeah, man. It was a money thing. John was saying. John was saying they wouldn't budge over 15. That's what John said recently on Twitter, I believe.

Eddie Bravo (7:57)

But. But 15 mil, like, my thing is, is that's a lot. UFC hasn't been closing, like, the big fights, but John has to take some accountability. Like, they offer him 30 million against Aspinall. He never let made it happen. So the UFC's like, okay, dude, and then 15 for the white House guard. And you're saying this is the number one fight you want. You want to do 15 mil. But like, like the UFC can. Could they pay more? Probably, but 15 mil, right?

Dan Soder (8:22)

But I'm.

Joe Rogan (8:23)

I think in his mind, this is for an interim title, right? Would it be if it would be for interim?

Eddie Bravo (8:28)

Because Aspinall, one just like this one's

Joe Rogan (8:31)

for an interim title. And you know, if he was going to get 30 to fight Aspinall, half of that is kind of crazy. He's the greatest of all time, and he's going to make the White House card. If he makes the White House card, be like, oh, shit, Jon Jones is back. Like, the whole card completely changes and there's no complaint.

Brian Redban (8:47)

Is it too late? Can they add him? Is it too late?

Dan Soder (8:49)

I don't know.

Joe Rogan (8:50)

Yeah, he. He said he's ready to go. He said he's ready to go, I think today or yesterday.

Brian Redban (8:54)

So if they added him, who. Who's left to fight? What would be the best fight? If they add him? Aspinall, or is he still.

Joe Rogan (9:00)

No, no, no. Aspinall had serious eye surgery. Two of them. Two serious eye surgeries.

Eddie Bravo (9:04)

He won't make White House. What they would probably do if John eventually was like, all right, I'm down to whatever the agreement for the money, he would fight the winner of Cyril and Poton later this year.

Joe Rogan (9:14)

That's if Aspinall needs more time off.

Eddie Bravo (9:17)

Correct?

Dan Soder (9:17)

Right.

Joe Rogan (9:18)

And if not, I might want to get right into the winner.

Eddie Bravo (9:21)

Or John goes it. I'm not messing with UFC at all. I'm gonna fight on these Netflix cards and make all the money. He's also gonna do that.

Joe Rogan (9:29)

He has a contract. I don't know how many fights he has left. Does he have a contract?

Eddie Bravo (9:32)

He has a contract, and I'm Pretty sure he signed for a hot second, so.

Joe Rogan (9:37)

Just signed a new eight fight fight deal.

Dan Soder (9:42)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (9:44)

Netflix is coming with that long cash.

Eddie Bravo (9:46)

Yeah. And UFC is like, here's basically sign the rest of your life over.

Joe Rogan (9:50)

What did you hear they. They offered Diaz the UFC? No, Netflix.

Eddie Bravo (9:55)

Netflix. I heard 10 mil.

Joe Rogan (9:57)

I heard it was more.

Dan Soder (9:58)

I heard it was more.

Eddie Bravo (10:00)

I mean, you probably know that's wild.

Dan Soder (10:02)

That's a lot of money.

Eddie Bravo (10:03)

They're paying boys real money now.

Brian Redban (10:05)

But I tell you what, I don't know.

Joe Rogan (10:07)

I think he could have made that same money versus Connor if someone could just drag Conor to an ibogaine center again. Clean that boy up.

Eddie Bravo (10:14)

Connor's down. Connor's fighting international fight week, supposedly.

Joe Rogan (10:17)

I hope that's true. But if. If Nate gets through this fight and they set that fight up, it's that or Chandler. The problem is Chandler's gonna fight Hoofy, and there's no chance you're coming out of that with any understanding of physical reality. That guy starts putting it on you. Hey, we're live.

Eddie Bravo (10:37)

No, you know what I would do?

Joe Rogan (10:38)

That guy's a wicked striker, man.

Dan Soder (10:41)

Off.

Joe Rogan (10:41)

He's scary.

Eddie Bravo (10:42)

No, they. They did Chandler super dirty.

Joe Rogan (10:44)

But, you know he's a legit wrestler, man. You know he's a legit wrestler. He just decides to, like, only do that. You wonder, like, how much hoof he can keep him off him. Yeah, but he never fights like that. Never fights like a.

Eddie Bravo (10:57)

And that's why I love him. That's why you love him. It's just up. He sat out for how long?

Joe Rogan (11:01)

No, he should have never done that, bro. If I was in his ear, I would have said, not a chance, son.

Eddie Bravo (11:06)

Not a chance.

Joe Rogan (11:06)

Not a chance. Take fights. Keep moving. How dare you?

Eddie Bravo (11:10)

But at least they put Chandler on that card. Imagine being Colby. Comeon. Who's been just. Just risen. Donald Trump in the White House. And he gets. He sees the White House cards announced. He's like, bro, oh, this is me all day. UFC said potentially, it's not Bo Nichols

Joe Rogan (11:25)

say that he wanted that fight and that Colby did not want that fight. Yeah, but did they offer him that at the White House?

Eddie Bravo (11:31)

I don't know. Supposedly, that's what Bo said. Like, Colby can sign the contract, bro. It's a terrible matchup for Kobe at 185.

Joe Rogan (11:39)

Right?

Eddie Bravo (11:39)

So, all right, I want to be on the White House, but I have to fight Bo Nickel, right? Who my thing's wrestling. That motherfucker's the wrestler, right? The we gonna do, right?

Joe Rogan (11:47)

And you can see why? He's like, no, his striking has come up. Like, especially after that loss to Reiner Deridder, like, in that last fight, man, his striking looks so much better.

Eddie Bravo (11:57)

Nobody frustrates me more than Bo Nickel. He's my. One of my top three favorite fighters.

Joe Rogan (12:01)

I think he's learning on the job.

Dan Soder (12:03)

It.

Eddie Bravo (12:03)

And that's a horrible place to learn.

Joe Rogan (12:07)

Vieira is a bad. And he head kicked that guy into the shadow realm. That guy's a winner. And winners like that, they figure out a way to get better.

Eddie Bravo (12:15)

Agree.

Joe Rogan (12:16)

Quick.

Eddie Bravo (12:16)

Agree. I just. I wish you take, like, the Khabib approach, where it's like, my wrestling's the best in the world. I'm gonna break. I don't want to see him figure out his striking for 15 minutes.

Joe Rogan (12:29)

Fight's already started.

Jamie Vernon (12:30)

Just started.

Joe Rogan (12:31)

We're watching on an iPad, dude.

Eddie Bravo (12:33)

I don't.

Jamie Vernon (12:33)

I tried.

Eddie Bravo (12:34)

Hell, yeah.

Joe Rogan (12:35)

It was not working. Here. Why don't we run out and grab one of the other Apple TVs that we know works? So go out and grab the one that's. But it's not working on this tv. Clearly, something's wrong. And if we do it the other way, if you go out and get the one that's in the hallway, my phone is linked up to that one. Go out and get the one that's by the pool table, and my phone links up to that one, and we just stream it. Allegedly.

Eddie Bravo (13:03)

That screen's so tiny.

Joe Rogan (13:06)

He gets so.

Eddie Bravo (13:07)

He gets so anxious. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (13:10)

When it's not happening. Yeah. I can't see who these guys are.

Eddie Bravo (13:13)

That might as well be Sugar. Sean versus Jon Jones. It's so far away.

Joe Rogan (13:17)

We will fill you in, ladies and gentlemen, when we know what's going on. But as of right now, do you

Brian Redban (13:21)

know the actual fighters?

Joe Rogan (13:24)

Well, put it up there.

Eddie Bravo (13:26)

Sugar's on the White House card.

Joe Rogan (13:28)

That's another fight. It's like Corey Sanhagen was the fight. That was the fight that I'm most interested in. Sugar. Sean and Corey Sandhagen's a wild fight.

Brian Redban (13:37)

Joe.

Eddie Bravo (13:37)

Why do you think they didn't do the matchups that obviously were hardcores and the majority of the fan base? Like, we all wanted these fights. I wonder why. There has to be a reason why. They're like, no, we're a different route. Who knows?

Joe Rogan (13:50)

There's guys get injured. There's negotiations.

Eddie Bravo (13:53)

Negotiation probably right. Like budget. Because also, the White House is the most expensive card.

Joe Rogan (13:57)

So they're like, yeah, more than the sphere.

Eddie Bravo (13:59)

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's the most expensive. Card.

Joe Rogan (14:02)

Build a thing.

Eddie Bravo (14:02)

Yeah, build a thing. The security.

Joe Rogan (14:04)

Oh, cry.

Eddie Bravo (14:05)

So it's like. It's the most expensive card, so I'm sure the. The salary for the fighters that pay.

Dan Soder (14:10)

Are you working?

Eddie Bravo (14:10)

Probably has to be. Limit.

Joe Rogan (14:14)

Allegedly.

Dan Soder (14:15)

Allegedly.

Joe Rogan (14:16)

So this is pool room. There we go.

Eddie Bravo (14:21)

That's gonna be a tough ticket to get.

Joe Rogan (14:24)

Hold on a second.

Dan Soder (14:24)

What, the White House?

Eddie Bravo (14:25)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (14:26)

What's the capacity gonna be?

Eddie Bravo (14:27)

3,000.

Brian Redban (14:28)

That's not bad, Jamie.

Joe Rogan (14:29)

Which one?

Eddie Bravo (14:30)

3, 000 of the oligarchs. You know, it's like 3,000. Like, that's why. That's why I love Strictly. He's like, I ain't fighting for those rich oligarchs. I ain't doing that.

Joe Rogan (14:38)

Okay, here it is. Hold on here. We got it. We got it. We got it.

Eddie Bravo (14:42)

It's being a weird vibe. You know, I feel like that movie django with Leonardo DiCaprio. What is the White House car.

Joe Rogan (14:51)

It's gonna be weird.

Eddie Bravo (14:53)

Super weird.

Joe Rogan (14:54)

What the hell is going on?

Dan Soder (14:57)

You know those fights when you go to them are about excitement. Yes. You go to a UFC fight and you walk into the building, the music, the visuals, the. Your heart starts pumping the energy from the people. Whoop on and go to a fucking UFC fighter. Eleven, three. What I do. I didn't even work out.

Eddie Bravo (15:13)

Yep.

Dan Soder (15:13)

It's like doing stand up. Yeah. Getting off there. So that's what I love about the ufc. When I'm sitting there and I'm looking up and all that, you're like, this is better than anything.

Eddie Bravo (15:23)

Yeah. There's nothing like it.

Dan Soder (15:24)

I love basketball games. NFL is too crazy. But the jets and the Giants, there's no reason to go down there.

Eddie Bravo (15:30)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (15:30)

Hang out with autism. You're. You haven't won A championship since 1969. You keep showing up.

Eddie Bravo (15:37)

It sums up

Dan Soder (15:41)

J. You know, it's.

Brian Redban (15:42)

The jets got Gino.

Eddie Bravo (15:43)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (15:44)

But that. You know, everything.

Brian Redban (15:47)

They got him back. They got him back.

Dan Soder (15:48)

The jets had Aon Rogers. He got hurt. He goes to Pittsburgh. He gets to the playoffs. The jets had Donaldson from.

Eddie Bravo (15:55)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (15:55)

Seattle.

Eddie Bravo (15:56)

He just won the super bowl to Minnesota.

Dan Soder (15:59)

He was like, Joe Montana baller.

Joe Rogan (16:00)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (16:01)

And they let him go.

Eddie Bravo (16:02)

They let him go up.

Dan Soder (16:04)

So it's kind of weird that the Jets. It's like when the Mets got Willie Mays. He already hit the 800 home.

Eddie Bravo (16:10)

Yeah. It's over.

Dan Soder (16:12)

Why is he here? You know, he's a legend and stuff.

Brian Redban (16:18)

I'm a Browns guy, but I'm rooting for the jets just because they have the worst luck, you know, just like the Browns. We have.

Eddie Bravo (16:25)

I was gonna say you guys have the worst luck too.

Brian Redban (16:27)

Yeah. That's why I like them because they're. They're like the Browns.

Dan Soder (16:30)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (16:30)

We've been through like 45 quarterbacks in the last 25 years.

Eddie Bravo (16:33)

Just can't get one.

Brian Redban (16:35)

Can't just. Just can't find.

Eddie Bravo (16:37)

Shador Sandler's not the answer.

Brian Redban (16:38)

I hope he's the answer. I hope he is. I like, you know, he had a shitty offensive line when they put him in the last, like, seven games. And he did. He made a lot of mistakes, but he also put the ball up without fear, and you can see his talent for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, this year they rebuilt the line. They're probably going to draft the tackle and, And. And probably the first pick would be a wide receiver. Carnell Pate.

Joe Rogan (17:05)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (17:05)

Makai Lemon. I'd rather have Mai Lemon, but everyone's saying Cardinal Tate. And plus he's from Ohio State, so.

Eddie Bravo (17:11)

Yeah, it fits.

Brian Redban (17:13)

We need an offensive tackle and a wide receiver. Our defense is solid.

Joe Rogan (17:18)

Stack.

Brian Redban (17:18)

Yeah. Defense is solid.

Eddie Bravo (17:19)

Miles Garrett.

Dan Soder (17:20)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (17:21)

I watch dude football podcasts on the off season every day.

Eddie Bravo (17:25)

I always forget every day. I'm watch football fan.

Brian Redban (17:26)

You are giant. Giant dog. I like football more than ufc, dude.

Eddie Bravo (17:30)

How dare you?

Brian Redban (17:31)

I do.

Dan Soder (17:31)

It's funny because I've been to football games and they're great for the first 10 minutes. Football and I love football. Yeah. 10 minutes of the game are great.

Joe Rogan (17:41)

You're like.

Dan Soder (17:42)

It's like why I like going to dodges with Eddie. We had an understanding. We're getting out of here in the sixth inning. Yeah. They say hello.

Eddie Bravo (17:49)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (17:50)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (17:51)

You get up with everybody. We leave at 7. Yeah. That's why I went to.

Eddie Bravo (17:54)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (17:54)

Yankee Stadium. It was the worst, guys. Why There were people puking in front of me. There was a lady over here that had a foot that was red diabetes and she's eating sweets, eating sweet, not giving up. I'm like, what the is this? I don't drive all because a three hour drive.

Joe Rogan (18:17)

All right, boys, we're up.

Dan Soder (18:18)

Here we go.

Joe Rogan (18:19)

Jeez, that was a lot. Okay.

Eddie Bravo (18:21)

Figured it out.

Joe Rogan (18:22)

Technology currently just started at where this fight started.

Jamie Vernon (18:25)

They are further ahead.

Joe Rogan (18:26)

Oh, no. How do we get to live? I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. Yeah, but we can't do that.

Dan Soder (18:32)

But that's what the difference is. I think that taking the UFC out of like, it's a different place people.

Eddie Bravo (18:39)

It's gonna be a different vibe for.

Dan Soder (18:41)

But I tell you what?

Brian Redban (18:41)

Like the apex.

Dan Soder (18:42)

The apex.

Eddie Bravo (18:43)

Apex is lit, and the apex was

Dan Soder (18:45)

pretty cool at first.

Eddie Bravo (18:46)

It sucks for the fighters, though.

Dan Soder (18:47)

Yeah, there's no.

Eddie Bravo (18:47)

No, sucks for the fighters. There's no energy.

Dan Soder (18:50)

You ever go out in front of, like, a.

Joe Rogan (18:52)

When they say, now we're live, let's

Dan Soder (18:53)

do an industry showcase, those people don't laugh.

Eddie Bravo (18:56)

Are we.

Dan Soder (18:56)

So these are the same kind of people that are gonna. Ain't nobody gonna take that shirt off and drink a beer out?

Brian Redban (19:01)

No.

Eddie Bravo (19:01)

And, say, rip his head off and, you know, no one's showing their tits. No, there's not gonna be anything. This.

Dan Soder (19:07)

A guy is not gonna walk in, and we're gonna go, yo, who shot Bobby Lupo?

Eddie Bravo (19:11)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (19:11)

Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (19:11)

There's none.

Dan Soder (19:12)

So they got to pull them out.

Eddie Bravo (19:13)

They probably don't even know what the fuck they're watching. There's probably a hundred people that are actually UFC fans, and the rest, you

Dan Soder (19:19)

know, they're just on the other side of that. It's like Joe said, I'm sitting there watching a fight, most of I get hit with an Iranian missile.

Brian Redban (19:29)

You have a great time.

Dan Soder (19:30)

You got the Moroccans out. You're gonna hang out with Melania, and all of a sudden, boom, there you are. You're done.

Brian Redban (19:37)

Done.

Dan Soder (19:38)

The whole leadership's Buffer for some reason. Bruce Buffer lives. He lives like him in the suit.

Brian Redban (19:44)

Everybody else,

Dan Soder (19:50)

I don't know if I want to even be in that area. I'm going to Hong Kong.

Brian Redban (19:54)

Yeah. It's so crazy about the. The Iran situation. It's like, you hear one side of the story is, we their military up, and they can't do.

Joe Rogan (20:05)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (20:05)

They're. They're decimated. And then the other side is like, no, they're not. They're the out of Tel Aviv. They're bombing the out of Tel Aviv. They're us up. We're losing.

Eddie Bravo (20:14)

But Trump. Trump just came out. He's like, it's almost.

Dan Soder (20:17)

They want to tell you.

Brian Redban (20:18)

Yeah. It's like, yeah. What's going on?

Dan Soder (20:20)

It's like, they'll show you. Austin airport. People crawl in there online.

Eddie Bravo (20:25)

Tsa. Yeah.

Dan Soder (20:26)

Then you fly in, and you're like, there's no weight.

Eddie Bravo (20:28)

Yeah, I agree.

Dan Soder (20:29)

CNN is called scaring poor white people.

Eddie Bravo (20:32)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (20:32)

That's all the Internet is. Yeah. You. And you put CNN at 3 in the morning, not talking about nothing positive. It's gentlemen arguing about politics at 3 in the morning.

Joe Rogan (20:40)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (20:41)

So you wake up those people, because now everybody considers like, well, he's an Islam radicalist or whatever the. They call it. You know, like you could get radical. How many. Listen, we have. A lot of crazy people are radicalized. But I got friends I went to grammar school with and these get up at 8 and start pounding Democrats on Facebook.

Brian Redban (21:00)

There's no real.

Dan Soder (21:00)

Look at these moments. It's eight in the morning, guys.

Brian Redban (21:03)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (21:04)

In the morning. You're already. You should give it a breather.

Eddie Bravo (21:08)

Take a morning off. How do you gonna.

Dan Soder (21:10)

How is your day gonna be better? So Americans are getting radicalized the same way with cnn. The other thing we got constant.

Eddie Bravo (21:18)

But we're not. We're not blowing people up.

Dan Soder (21:20)

No, but I've told you a thousand.

Joe Rogan (21:22)

But we celebrate when people get shot.

Dan Soder (21:23)

Yeah. We love all this.

Joe Rogan (21:24)

Like when we don't before. Right. But humans do. Imagine. Imagine a world where a guy who never hurt anybody gets shot in the neck on TV in front of everybody and people are cheering and people are posting about it. That doesn't make. That makes zero sense.

Dan Soder (21:37)

That makes sense.

Joe Rogan (21:38)

Never, never happened before. Because you're right, Joey. People have been radicalized.

Eddie Bravo (21:41)

Radicalized. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (21:42)

And also radicalized. Have no empathy because social media doesn't. You don't have to have it. You can just.

Jamie Vernon (21:47)

What.

Brian Redban (21:48)

What side do you think is true? Trump decimated everybody. Like he's saying we just. We destroyed them. They don't have shit. But then there's other people saying that's bullshit. Iran's bombing the shit out of Tel Aviv and they won't let you videotape it. They're taking it. If you videotape the destruction in Tel Aviv, you'll get arrested.

Joe Rogan (22:04)

Like, I'm sure there's some truth to that.

Brian Redban (22:06)

There's like two.

Joe Rogan (22:06)

I'm sure there's some truth to that. But they, they've blown the shit out of a lot of sites and the amount of missiles is drastically reduced, radically reduced. So the indication by even Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera said a thing that this strategy is working for Trump. The problem is they have that straight of Hormuz. It's all closed down. I mean if they go to war, like a physical hot war in this trader for moves with rockets and you

Brian Redban (22:29)

think we'll go airplanes, boots on the ground. You think that's going to happen?

Eddie Bravo (22:33)

That's what they're saying, dude.

Brian Redban (22:34)

Nobody's going to be.

Joe Rogan (22:36)

I don't know if that's necessary. It seems like they keep kill especially the Israelis are so good at finding those guys and killing them. Everybody that gets into power gets killed that you can only. Thank you, Jamie. You can only sustain that so long.

Brian Redban (22:49)

Is that even real?

Eddie Bravo (22:50)

Is that even real?

Joe Rogan (22:52)

Whiskey, Eddie. Bravo.

Brian Redban (22:53)

You know, you know what I'm talking about.

Dan Soder (22:55)

Al Jazeera.

Eddie Bravo (22:56)

What's that, Eddie? It's like the reports that you hear.

Brian Redban (22:59)

Like, how do you even know any of it's real? Like you don't know nothing. They killed his son. They didn't kill his son.

Joe Rogan (23:06)

How about the AI videos of Benjamin Netanyahu? And people are saying he's dead, he's dead. And everyone's saying, no, no, no, he's alive.

Eddie Bravo (23:12)

Those AI videos are so good though.

Joe Rogan (23:14)

They're not that good. They look like a beauty filter. It doesn't look like a real person.

Brian Redban (23:18)

And he's like, the coffee's not spilling. And then when he puts his head back, when they show that the pocket put it goes over the hand.

Eddie Bravo (23:24)

So does that mean he's dead?

Joe Rogan (23:25)

It's weird. No, it doesn't mean.

Brian Redban (23:26)

Maybe they're he's alive, but they're just with people.

Joe Rogan (23:29)

They could be. They, they're, they play like long game. Israel does they. They could be with people just so that people think he's dead. Yeah, that could be a strategy.

Eddie Bravo (23:38)

Cuz wasn't the beeper thing like a fiveyear project?

Brian Redban (23:41)

Crazy project?

Joe Rogan (23:43)

Amazing. Great, Amazing. If I was Israeli, I'd be like, yo, the.

Eddie Bravo (23:48)

We convince them to get beepers.

Joe Rogan (23:51)

Listen, there's a bunch of things are true at the same time. The Iranian regime is horrible.

Eddie Bravo (23:55)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (23:56)

They just executed that wrestler. A really elite high level teenage wrestler. They said he was at a protest. Most people are saying, at least some people are saying that he wasn't at a protest. What is this Jimmy?

Jamie Vernon (24:06)

The golden beeper gift that Netanyahu gave to Trump.

Joe Rogan (24:09)

That's hilarious. She gave him a beeper. That's pretty gangster. That's right up there with the auto pen picture replacing Biden's picture.

Eddie Bravo (24:17)

That's wild.

Joe Rogan (24:19)

That's pretty crazy. That's crazy.

Brian Redban (24:20)

Do you think, do you think Iran has the capability to level Israel?

Joe Rogan (24:27)

There's a new, there's a new understanding of their capabilities. Wish I could talk better. Because they thought they could only go 2,000 kilometers with their rockets, but they just fired rockets that are capable of going 4,000km, which means it's a lot different. So they could reach Europe. So that changed everybody's perception of all this shit because they're blowing up all these oil hubs, they're blowing up all these infrastructures, they're blowing up all these different things in Qatar and United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, they're Blowing things up anywhere they think Americans are. So, any American assets in these places. But did they hit Dubai, too? I think they did, yeah. So it's good.

Brian Redban (25:05)

That's crazy. Bring it back to this fucking UFC

Eddie Bravo (25:08)

does a lot of fights in the Middle East.

Joe Rogan (25:10)

Yeah. Yes.

Eddie Bravo (25:10)

So the price of rescheduling, I would assume.

Joe Rogan (25:13)

Well, yeah. Yeah, perhaps. Unless this could all be resolved.

Brian Redban (25:16)

It's great, dude. If they're bombing Dubai, that's insane. I was just there, like, six months ago. They bomb places.

Joe Rogan (25:22)

A bunch of different countries.

Eddie Bravo (25:24)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (25:24)

Quite a few different countries. So it's like, it's not cut and dry. Like, look, I'm the last person that thinks we should go to war, but

Brian Redban (25:32)

is there a possibility?

Joe Rogan (25:34)

That regime is spooky.

Brian Redban (25:35)

Is it possible that, like, the bombing that they're. That they're putting on Iran, like, someone else bombed them and they're saying it's Iran, Is that possible? Like a false flag?

Joe Rogan (25:46)

I think they can pretty much determine where all the rockets come from, which is how they blame that one rocket on America that landed on that school. Yeah.

Brian Redban (25:54)

I was watching Ian Carroll, like, a two hour podcast where he broke it down, and he's showing all this. This satellite footage of bases that were blown up. Like, they'll show like a picture of it.

Joe Rogan (26:07)

Like.

Brian Redban (26:07)

Yeah, a satellite image. And then the next one, there's a black dot. You know, it's like it's blown up. But even that, like, that could be AI too. Like, like, could be.

Joe Rogan (26:16)

You don't know. It's like, there's. There's definitely a bunch of AI stuff out there. And this is one of the things that we knew about this. This new world that we're living in, is you're going to see news that's not news. You're going to see fake. And, you know, Israelis are pretty slick. I think that the, The. The idea of using fake footage to pretend that Netanyahu was dead, like, use. Use fake a. That's not past what they would think of. No, that's a clever move. And if they had to use, like, fake video of things getting blown up, like, how do you know? Who knows anymore? Who knows what's real and what's not? Hey, Eddie, how do we know here in Texas?

Eddie Bravo (26:53)

We don't.

Joe Rogan (26:54)

We don't know.

Dan Soder (26:54)

Who's gonna certify this whole thing is

Joe Rogan (26:57)

there's a good thing.

Dan Soder (26:58)

Always.

Eddie Bravo (26:59)

What's the good thing? Always.

Dan Soder (27:00)

In three weeks, we're going to Cuba. The mother ship's opening up. That's all I know. I'm thinking about blow up everybody. But we're going to open up the mothership next to Starbucks around, right?

Joe Rogan (27:16)

Get some real cigars, dog.

Dan Soder (27:18)

Oh, n. Those cigars taste like ass now. That communist dirt.

Joe Rogan (27:21)

How dare you.

Dan Soder (27:22)

The other guys are making. I'm hearing it from the Cuban people. Those cigars taste like.

Brian Redban (27:27)

So what's going on in Cuba? They're about to. They're about to.

Dan Soder (27:29)

Diaz is starting to whatever.

Brian Redban (27:31)

He's starting to negotiate with Trump. They're gonna lift the embargoes or whatever.

Dan Soder (27:36)

I think. Listen, forget the fucking embargo. They gotta lift the island. Get those people out of there. Get them all out that fucking. That they have roaring blackouts and as of three or four days ago, they got no power.

Joe Rogan (27:49)

Yeah, guess what, kids? Communism doesn't work.

Dan Soder (27:51)

No, it don't fucking work. Eventually there's no. There's no pain.

Eddie Bravo (27:55)

Donnie's trying it in New York.

Joe Rogan (27:57)

Yeah, sorta.

Eddie Bravo (27:59)

Sorta.

Joe Rogan (27:59)

He's learning on the job.

Eddie Bravo (28:00)

He's learning on the fly. It's not going great.

Dan Soder (28:03)

Only good thing that they might open that hole.

Joe Rogan (28:05)

You see that Kathy Hochul lady begging rich people to come back?

Dan Soder (28:08)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (28:08)

Go to Palm beach and grab your friends and tell them to come back to New York.

Eddie Bravo (28:14)

What the fuck is going on?

Joe Rogan (28:15)

What is happening? Is this real life? How is that lady the governor of New York, how is that the real governor?

Eddie Bravo (28:21)

Wild.

Dan Soder (28:22)

The white lady?

Joe Rogan (28:23)

Yeah, the white lady. She's the white lady that said that like black people don't know what computers

Brian Redban (28:27)

are just the most racist. What the did you just say?

Joe Rogan (28:32)

She's also the one that said that g. That God brought them the vaccine. The vaccine's brought by God.

Brian Redban (28:38)

Like.

Joe Rogan (28:38)

No, Pfizer made it. They have a patent. Moderna made it. The are you talking about? It's.

Brian Redban (28:45)

How are you the governor?

Eddie Bravo (28:46)

It's entertaining though, Eddie. You gotta feel good because you. You were spot on on the Epstein stuff. How many. How long ago?

Joe Rogan (28:52)

Six years ago.

Brian Redban (28:53)

I was just repeating that I see on the. On YouTube like, yeah, you call.

Dan Soder (28:58)

You might call him the next Swami of Salami because I'm telling you, I see those videos all the time now. Eddie Bravo, right? Eddie Bravo was right. And you're on different platforms.

Joe Rogan (29:07)

You're right all the time.

Dan Soder (29:08)

I'm the one making them these that were talking that you're crazy.

Joe Rogan (29:12)

And well, the thing is like Eddie's

Dan Soder (29:15)

open minded Nirvana, you know, the whole

Joe Rogan (29:19)

thing, the Nirvana one's crazy. There was a new one today that I just said Jamie sent. Jamie. It's handwriting analysis of the suicide letter. And they're saying now it's counterfeit of Kurt Cobain.

Eddie Bravo (29:30)

Yeah. I haven't seen any of this.

Joe Rogan (29:31)

Clearly. I don't know if it did it.

Brian Redban (29:34)

Oh, I have no idea.

Joe Rogan (29:36)

Have you watch YouTube?

Eddie Bravo (29:37)

Have you ever watched the document?

Joe Rogan (29:39)

I did, bro. Yeah. But it was also actors. Actors saying things that you don't know if they said, cuz no one was there.

Eddie Bravo (29:45)

Be cool.

Joe Rogan (29:46)

But you know what I'm saying.

Eddie Bravo (29:47)

Yeah, no, I hear you.

Joe Rogan (29:48)

It's a little weird. It's a little weird. A little weird you're talking about.

Eddie Bravo (29:50)

But the detectives who are like, there's no way you could. That size of.

Joe Rogan (29:53)

Okay, that makes sense. But it's not a documentary if you got actors pretending to do roles. It gets a little squirrely. So what?

Jamie Vernon (30:00)

Even without that letter, it's kind of. I feel like most people can tell that the writing on the bottom isn't not the same as the writing on the top.

Joe Rogan (30:06)

That's when the heroin kicks in, dog. Tell him, Joey. When that heroin kicks in, your writing gets a little wacky.

Brian Redban (30:12)

I. I think whoever goes out the window killed Chris Cornell and Chester.

Eddie Bravo (30:18)

Whoa, all of them?

Joe Rogan (30:20)

What?

Brian Redban (30:20)

I think it's my guess it's the same people.

Joe Rogan (30:23)

You don't think those guys committed suicide?

Brian Redban (30:24)

I don't think so. I don't think so.

Eddie Bravo (30:27)

The picture of Chester with his family, literally the day before, Chris Cornell hung

Brian Redban (30:31)

in a closet with broken ribs. There's a lot of broken ribs, dude. There's a lot of. That's one thing I didn't hear that they said. Oh, it was from the cpr.

Eddie Bravo (30:40)

Oh, really? You hand me that lighter, Joe.

Brian Redban (30:42)

You gotta look into the Chris Cornell stuff. They murdered that dude.

Joe Rogan (30:47)

But you do break ribs when you do cpr. Are you sure he didn't actually just hang himself?

Brian Redban (30:52)

Dude, I've seen YouTube videos on this.

Joe Rogan (30:54)

Because there's a lot of people that think that Bourdain didn't either, but I think he kind of did.

Brian Redban (30:59)

The one. I don't know. This could be total. But we know Chester Bennington and Chris Cornell were like really good friends. Maybe best friends. We know that. And they were involved in some documentary about child trafficking.

Joe Rogan (31:16)

Child sex trafficking.

Dan Soder (31:17)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (31:17)

And so was. Bourdain was involved in it too. And this dj, the died too. They got mysteriously committed to each other. There you go.

Eddie Bravo (31:27)

Yep.

Brian Redban (31:28)

They were all. I don't know. That might be. But that's what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that they were all involved

Joe Rogan (31:32)

in some project with Eddie's track record.

Brian Redban (31:37)

I don't know.

Eddie Bravo (31:37)

I'm listening. I'm alike. I don't know.

Joe Rogan (31:39)

But it is

Jamie Vernon (31:42)

weirdly, if that was a thing like where how no one else is working on it and like what, they just didn't want to put it out. Did they get scared?

Dan Soder (31:50)

People die?

Jamie Vernon (31:52)

Yeah, that's. I'm just asking, like they wouldn't have been making it into individually on their own, like.

Eddie Bravo (31:56)

Correct.

Jamie Vernon (31:57)

They're not the ones filming stuff.

Joe Rogan (31:58)

Do you know that four of the people that debunked Pizzagate, four of the journalists were arrested for child pornography. Have you ever seen that? No.

Jamie Vernon (32:08)

Saw something like that? I don't think that's real.

Joe Rogan (32:10)

God, I hope it's not real.

Jamie Vernon (32:11)

I don't think it is.

Eddie Bravo (32:12)

You know, I went to that Comet's pizza. I went there.

Joe Rogan (32:16)

Somebody just sent it to me today.

Eddie Bravo (32:18)

I went.

Joe Rogan (32:18)

There was anybody that was a journalist, because I know there was a story. I saw at least one of them.

Brian Redban (32:23)

Yeah.

Jamie Vernon (32:23)

When I tried to look up the other day, I saw a story that said a journalist got arrested for that. But I don't think that they had anything to do with reporting on Pizzagate. It was like a vice reporter.

Joe Rogan (32:32)

They weren't one of the debunkers.

Jamie Vernon (32:33)

I don't believe so. That's how. That's what I looked it up. It said that about. I'll try again.

Brian Redban (32:40)

There's been so many deaths in the celebrity world that have a lot of suspicious world.

Joe Rogan (32:50)

How about that dude that was a plasma physicist and they whacked him at mit. And then they whacked another guy who was. For what? No one knows he was assassinated. And then another guy just got.

Brian Redban (33:00)

What was he? Well, did he discover something scientifically or something?

Joe Rogan (33:03)

Most likely he was working on some very important stuff, some plasma physics.

Brian Redban (33:06)

He probably said, hey, the moon's journalist. You can't land on that.

Joe Rogan (33:09)

He did not.

Jamie Vernon (33:09)

This is. But this is old. This is 23. It's all 23. It's. None of this was new, right?

Joe Rogan (33:14)

No, no, it's all old arrests. Yeah. It's not like a recent thing.

Dan Soder (33:18)

Oh, so they're all older.

Jamie Vernon (33:19)

So this is like. Then it's like an old meme that think people are burning up back.

Joe Rogan (33:22)

So it's not true.

Eddie Bravo (33:23)

I don't think Eddie.

Joe Rogan (33:23)

So Elon Musk boosted it. Is that what it says? Pizza gate. It says boosted the pizza gate. Oh, it just debutes that when you

Brian Redban (33:32)

look into the Michael Jackson death.

Eddie Bravo (33:34)

That was.

Brian Redban (33:35)

That's.

Eddie Bravo (33:36)

That was weird.

Brian Redban (33:36)

That one's weird. JFK Jr yeah, but the Michael Jackson one.

Joe Rogan (33:40)

He was taking Propofol every night. You can't do that. You can't just anesthetize yourself every night.

Brian Redban (33:46)

But he also, like, maybe that's what they say. Like who? You don't know. Maybe they. Yeah, yeah, tell him he did just

Eddie Bravo (33:51)

get all his masters back and had the Beatles catalog too. Yeah. Which is weird.

Dan Soder (33:57)

From zero to here, you see how much money he's made since he died.

Joe Rogan (34:00)

Put the headphones on or talking to the microphone.

Dan Soder (34:03)

How much money Michael Jackson's made since he died, bro, it's wild.

Eddie Bravo (34:09)

Him and Elvis are always like 1 and 2.

Joe Rogan (34:11)

He blew out Tupac when Tupac put out his like, fifth album. After he's dead, we're like, where are these coming from?

Eddie Bravo (34:18)

They thought he was alive.

Brian Redban (34:19)

Remember that movie that Andrew Dice Clay did? Like his only movie. Yeah, it was like he. It was like they put all this money, they blow it up and then for some reason it didn't. It didn't. It didn't make its money back or something. It was a failure. Then they kind of like just blackballed him after that. That's a deep ass movie. Ford Fairlane. He was a detective who is investigating celebrity deaths. And then at the end of the. At the end of the movie, they find out he's like, head. You know, there's a. There's a part where he's talking to like the executive, the head executive or the owner of a record company. And they go, dude, as soon as we kill him, we got. He's. We immortalize him for life. He's worth.

Joe Rogan (34:57)

People knew. They knew that forever. Yeah, people, if they did that forever. That's the suspicion about Jimi Hendrix.

Brian Redban (35:03)

Yep, exactly. Jimi Hendrix. Kill them while they're hot instead of when they sell out and do commercial. You can't kill them then kill them when they're legendary. And then boom.

Joe Rogan (35:12)

Whoever owns those masters.

Brian Redban (35:14)

Whoever owns those masters.

Dan Soder (35:15)

Let's get. Let's go to the fact. Fact. Let's go to the doctor that killed Michael Jackson, where he is today and how much time he got. Because there was a slip in the amount.

Joe Rogan (35:25)

You know, that's what it was.

Dan Soder (35:26)

Maybe the guy got stuck watching. Maybe the guy got stuck watching stupid on CNN and he forgot to go in there. I think somebody knocked on his door, gave him 5 million. Said just put an extra two cc's in there.

Eddie Bravo (35:37)

And he didn't get much time.

Dan Soder (35:38)

No, he didn't get dick.

Eddie Bravo (35:40)

He got nothing.

Dan Soder (35:41)

Joe.

Joe Rogan (35:41)

You know, he said that he thinks that Michael Jackson was chemically Castrated. You know that, right?

Eddie Bravo (35:46)

He did say that.

Joe Rogan (35:46)

That's crazy.

Eddie Bravo (35:47)

Have you ever looked into the Michael Jackson. Like, the cases? Like, the child sexual cases? No, man.

Joe Rogan (35:52)

Didn't Candace do a deep dive?

Eddie Bravo (35:55)

Did she. She does a ton of deep dives.

Joe Rogan (35:57)

Did she do a deep dive on that? I'm not sure.

Eddie Bravo (35:58)

I've seen a bunch of people do them. Once you get the facts. Like, man, he got.

Brian Redban (36:03)

Do you think Candace is. Is on a list, man, to get like, yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan (36:12)

Like, her and Tucker. I wouldn't be surprised.

Brian Redban (36:16)

It's crazy, dude.

Joe Rogan (36:17)

Imagine living like that.

Brian Redban (36:18)

You got to.

Joe Rogan (36:19)

You're worried about just the being. I know just the guy in France.

Eddie Bravo (36:25)

And her name? Neighbor. Theo. Her neighbor's Theo. Her and Theo live, like, next door to each other? Yeah, no, they're super close. For real, Because I was at. I was at Tucker Carlson's Christmas party.

Brian Redban (36:36)

What? Yeah. How did you get that invite?

Dan Soder (36:40)

Theo.

Eddie Bravo (36:42)

No, I didn't know Theo was gonna be there, but I. I go. And someone wanted pictures, me and Theo. And Theo goes, let's get a black in here. I'm like, oh, dude. He goes, candace. Candace. I'm like, but I didn't know they knew each other. I'm like, hey, dude. Like, cut it. And then she's like, oh. Laughing. And I was like, oh, how you know Candace? He's like, oh, dude. That's like. She's like a sister. He's like. The kids call him Uncle Theo, and he's over there, like, four days a week for dinner. And has Theo done her podcast or

Brian Redban (37:07)

has she done his?

Joe Rogan (37:08)

I'm pretty sure she's done his.

Eddie Bravo (37:10)

I think she's done his. I don't think he would go on hers. She doesn't really do that type of.

Joe Rogan (37:14)

Did Theo have Candace on?

Eddie Bravo (37:16)

I'm pretty sure, because they were talking

Joe Rogan (37:18)

about, this is a good fight.

Eddie Bravo (37:20)

Great fight.

Joe Rogan (37:22)

Roman Delizzi and Christian Leroy Duncan. Christian Leroy Duncan's a wicked strike.

Eddie Bravo (37:26)

They kind of MVP over a little bit.

Joe Rogan (37:28)

Yeah, Well, I mean, a little bit. First of all, they're him over because he's fighting a guy who was a teammate.

Eddie Bravo (37:35)

Super close teammate. Doesn't make a ton of sense. Doesn't move him up in the rankings. But then he's also on his last fight on his contract.

Joe Rogan (37:42)

Yeah, well, you know, the kid's good, but Michael Van Page is something very unique, and most people just can't handle him.

Eddie Bravo (37:51)

Yeah, but he's unique because when you fight him, you can't mimic his style. So the first time you see it it's when it's live with the lights on and Bruce Buffer's shouting. But now that your training partner for years knows that element of surprise is gone, it really him, Right?

Joe Rogan (38:06)

But it's also, like, how many times did Venom Page piece that dude up?

Eddie Bravo (38:10)

True, but apparently he was choking MVP out left and right.

Joe Rogan (38:14)

I bet, right?

Eddie Bravo (38:14)

That's what he said. His anacondas and darsis are really good. Oh, interesting. That's where it gets weird, right?

Joe Rogan (38:20)

He might have a grappling advantage, but

Eddie Bravo (38:21)

if I'm mvp, I'm like, bro, there's so many guys on the roster, you can't toss me. Anybody else? A guy trained with non stop.

Dan Soder (38:30)

Do a smelling salt. Knock it off, please.

Joe Rogan (38:32)

I should do a smell.

Dan Soder (38:33)

Yes.

Eddie Bravo (38:34)

I'm down for some smells.

Brian Redban (38:36)

Yeah, let's get loose.

Joe Rogan (38:38)

I've had allergies all week. Oh, it's been killing me. This Christian Leroy Duncan dude. It's fun, man.

Eddie Bravo (38:47)

Dude, you don't think they could have done Christian Leroy Duncan versus MVP at middleweight?

Joe Rogan (38:51)

Oh, they could have. Definitely.

Eddie Bravo (38:52)

That's a fight.

Dan Soder (38:53)

Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan (38:53)

That's a crazy fight. That's crazy.

Eddie Bravo (38:55)

What's up, bro? Here we go. That's a bad one, huh, Joe?

Joe Rogan (39:10)

I took deep breaths. I was really trying to clear that nose.

Dan Soder (39:18)

I don't know if I should do this. I gotta land in Newark tonight. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to smell that.

Joe Rogan (39:22)

You definitely need it. Everybody needs it.

Eddie Bravo (39:26)

Are there.

Brian Redban (39:26)

Are there any homeless people that just do that, like, all day?

Eddie Bravo (39:29)

No.

Joe Rogan (39:30)

Meth, it doesn't have the same impact that paint does.

Eddie Bravo (39:41)

Now I'm ready. That's what you need for allergies.

Joe Rogan (39:45)

So Deline. Delinsay has Christian Leroy Duncan down on the ground. For folks watching, they want to sync up. It's 3 minutes and 34, 33, 32, 31, 30 of the first round.

Eddie Bravo (40:00)

So just tell you guys how good that main event is between the two of them. They're 37 0.

Joe Rogan (40:04)

That's nuts.

Eddie Bravo (40:05)

That's crazy.

Brian Redban (40:06)

Okay, what's the rest of the card? You said it's great. Rattle it off.

Eddie Bravo (40:11)

MVP's fight is interesting because it's a training partner.

Brian Redban (40:16)

Oh, that's what you were just talking about?

Eddie Bravo (40:17)

Yeah, we're talking about.

Joe Rogan (40:18)

Yeah, Jamie.

Eddie Bravo (40:19)

But that's fighting a training, like, super close train partner.

Brian Redban (40:22)

Like, why would they do that? Like, you would just stay away from it.

Eddie Bravo (40:25)

He's been. He's been kind of outspoken, too, about fighter pay and them kind of screwing him over. So, you know.

Joe Rogan (40:30)

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eddie Bravo (40:31)

We had. So they're gonna discipline.

Brian Redban (40:33)

We had two 10 planet guys fight each other once. Alan Jabon versus Ben Saunders. Oh, yeah. That sucked. Damn. It was like.

Eddie Bravo (40:41)

Was the fight good though?

Brian Redban (40:42)

I didn't corner nobody. I didn't even watch.

Eddie Bravo (40:43)

How was the fight?

Brian Redban (40:45)

Jabon won, but it was.

Eddie Bravo (40:46)

It like back and forth, like.

Brian Redban (40:47)

I don't even. I don't even.

Eddie Bravo (40:49)

They never are. This is the problem. Like when I fought Orlovsky, I was like, what? That's my training partner. Because he knows what I do. I know what he does. So then when you get in there, it's kind of like.

Joe Rogan (41:00)

That is weird.

Eddie Bravo (41:00)

It's. It's a boring ass fight because you're not doing your.

Brian Redban (41:04)

We're not speaking about.

Joe Rogan (41:10)

What are you talking about?

Dan Soder (41:11)

Yeah, that's a great fight.

Joe Rogan (41:13)

That's a. I don't know. I don't know.

Brian Redban (41:15)

Eight mines.

Dan Soder (41:15)

A hobby.

Brian Redban (41:16)

I don't know how.

Eddie Bravo (41:16)

He's one like, good.

Joe Rogan (41:19)

He beat Cheeto Vera.

Eddie Bravo (41:20)

Okay, let me ask you this, fellas.

Brian Redban (41:22)

Damn, that's another great fight.

Eddie Bravo (41:24)

Yeah, they're all good fights. Shao Ali's probably the favorite here, but outside, like the big dogs. What American are we going to celebrate? You know what I'm saying? Like Nichols.

Dan Soder (41:35)

That's the American Bo Nickel.

Brian Redban (41:38)

Kyle Dus. Is he right?

Joe Rogan (41:39)

Kyle Dus is a problem. He's very good.

Brian Redban (41:42)

What's his style? Wrestler, Striker.

Joe Rogan (41:44)

He's a boxer with Jiu Jitsu. Black Jiu Jitsu.

Brian Redban (41:47)

Okay.

Eddie Bravo (41:49)

It's not an easy fight for both.

Joe Rogan (41:50)

He's a veteran too.

Brian Redban (41:51)

And Steve Garcia? Who's that?

Joe Rogan (41:53)

He's a animal.

Eddie Bravo (41:54)

That's the. That's the funnest fight in the car.

Joe Rogan (41:55)

Like Steve Garcia. Striker. Well, you can do it. Everything. You do everything. But vicious. Striker, super aggressive. Just a wild dude. And Diego Lopez, Same. Diego Lopez has a wicked ground game too. People forget he almost caught Eviloev a couple times on the ground.

Brian Redban (42:13)

He fought combat Jiu Jitsu dog.

Joe Rogan (42:14)

He's legit on the ground.

Brian Redban (42:15)

Anytime he wins is good for us.

Eddie Bravo (42:17)

You love it.

Brian Redban (42:17)

You're like, oh, we take all his

Joe Rogan (42:18)

highlights, you know, I love the mustache, but I hate. I hate the bangs, I gotta say.

Eddie Bravo (42:22)

Yeah, it's very like emo.

Joe Rogan (42:25)

The Mustangs mustache is awesome. Yeah, but I don't like mustaches.

Dan Soder (42:29)

Do you remember that guy on Apple tv?

Brian Redban (42:30)

Undercard.

Eddie Bravo (42:32)

No, this happened. This is the fight tonight.

Brian Redban (42:35)

Oh, this tonight? Yeah. This tonight?

Joe Rogan (42:37)

That's right.

Dan Soder (42:37)

Okay.

Brian Redban (42:37)

Just fine.

Dan Soder (42:38)

Tonight.

Joe Rogan (42:38)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (42:38)

Oh, okay.

Dan Soder (42:39)

All right.

Joe Rogan (42:40)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (42:40)

Okay.

Eddie Bravo (42:42)

I didn't know that Luke So the co. Main event, Luke Riley. He's huge over there. Huge.

Brian Redban (42:47)

So where are we at right now?

Joe Rogan (42:48)

We are at this right here. Christian Leroy Duncan and Roman Delude. Say, look, turn to your right.

Brian Redban (42:52)

And then we're going up. Yeah, we're going up.

Joe Rogan (42:53)

Now.

Brian Redban (42:54)

Who's the headliner?

Joe Rogan (42:55)

The headliners, Eve Loev and Laroma, both undefeated.

Eddie Bravo (42:58)

Okay, so like, talent, like, skill wise, that's better than anything on. Oh, we're missing Netflix card or the White House card.

Brian Redban (43:05)

Oh, okay, okay.

Joe Rogan (43:07)

They're just not deleted. Might be a major name. He's on his back, and I just saw Christian Leroy Duncan tag him a couple times.

Eddie Bravo (43:17)

Damn, Joe, did you see they filled out the rest of that MVP card? That thing's getting tasty.

Joe Rogan (43:24)

Luke Rockwell's returning. Is that real?

Eddie Bravo (43:26)

I. I see.

Brian Redban (43:27)

I don't know.

Eddie Bravo (43:27)

Is that real?

Joe Rogan (43:28)

The one with Ronda Rousey?

Eddie Bravo (43:29)

Yeah, that card stacked.

Brian Redban (43:30)

What do you guys think about Ronda Rousey, Gina Carano?

Eddie Bravo (43:32)

They're both very old.

Brian Redban (43:34)

I think it's a great fight. I. I'm gonna.

Eddie Bravo (43:37)

It's not a great fight.

Brian Redban (43:38)

I'm into it.

Eddie Bravo (43:39)

No, no, here. I'm into it.

Brian Redban (43:40)

You're going to watch it, though? Oh, of course. A million percent.

Joe Rogan (43:42)

Oh, yeah.

Brian Redban (43:43)

So any fight that you would watch. A million, bro.

Eddie Bravo (43:45)

Yeah. I'm just saying, as far as, like, Rhonda's should be a minus 4,000 favorite. She's going to starch her, dude.

Brian Redban (43:52)

Gina had some decent striking, man.

Eddie Bravo (43:54)

And she had good Jiu Jitsu 20 years ago, Eddie.

Brian Redban (43:56)

She still looks young. She still does. I love Gina Carano.

Eddie Bravo (44:03)

I love Gina, but, you know, she hasn't been active literally, like 15 years.

Brian Redban (44:07)

She looks like she's in great shape. Do you see her throwing those flying?

Eddie Bravo (44:11)

No, she looks.

Joe Rogan (44:12)

What do you think they paid Francis?

Brian Redban (44:16)

2 million.

Joe Rogan (44:17)

So if we're right about the Nate number, if. If all the rumors not we. It's not my. My thoughts. People are saying it's more than 10, so.

Eddie Bravo (44:25)

It's more than 10.

Joe Rogan (44:26)

Francis. 20. Got to get 20. 20. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (44:29)

And he's coming from the cost of money, too.

Joe Rogan (44:31)

He's the lineal heavyweight champion of mma.

Eddie Bravo (44:34)

Correct.

Joe Rogan (44:35)

The only reason why. I mean, he never lost his title. He just left the organization.

Eddie Bravo (44:38)

Just left.

Joe Rogan (44:38)

Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (44:39)

My thing is with. With mvp, and everyone's like, oh, they compete with the ufc and it's almost impossible because they, like, Netflix business model is like, these spectacles, like, they're fun fights, but it doesn't really move. It doesn't move as far as, like, rankings or competition. So where do they go from here?

Brian Redban (44:57)

They got to start having. They got to have Netflix. Netflix championships. You know what they got to do? They got to come up with a name for the show, and then it's. And then start putting out belts. It's really easy.

Eddie Bravo (45:08)

But there's the. The roster.

Brian Redban (45:10)

It's called mvp.

Eddie Bravo (45:11)

Mvp.

Brian Redban (45:11)

Mvp. Champion. Mba. Like, let's say Francis lightweight champ.

Eddie Bravo (45:16)

Let's say Francis wins. Okay, then what now? Like, where do we go from here?

Brian Redban (45:21)

No, you. This is where you start. In the beginning, you don't have any champions, but eventually you build champion. And then you just say, okay, whoever wins this fight is a champion.

Eddie Bravo (45:28)

Pfl. They're sinking

Joe Rogan (45:32)

Jason Jackson. That's exciting.

Eddie Bravo (45:35)

Love, Lorenz Lar.

Brian Redban (45:36)

What do you think about Nate Diaz? Mike Perry? What do you think? What do you think happens there?

Eddie Bravo (45:39)

It depends what version of Nate we get. Like, you know, he's older now. If it was straight bare knuckle, that's Mike Perry's game all day. He's gonna beat the brakes off him. But Nate, it's tough in the clinch. You know, it's. There's grappling. That's not Mike's thing. If that's a good. That's a. But those. This is my thing about Netflix. This is the difference of what the UFC is doing.

Dan Soder (45:56)

What?

Eddie Bravo (45:57)

Netflix. This is fun, like, for the casuals people. Like, that's gonna be the most watched MMA fight of all time.

Joe Rogan (46:03)

Lorenz Larkin is the only guy I ever saw throw oblique kicks to the body. Nasty. Against Neil Magni, I was like, oh, I never saw anybody doing.

Brian Redban (46:11)

What's an oblique kick to the body.

Joe Rogan (46:13)

You know how the oblique kick comes out like this? Like this.

Brian Redban (46:16)

They call that an oblique kick.

Joe Rogan (46:17)

Yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban (46:18)

He throws in your obliques right here.

Joe Rogan (46:20)

He's kicking. He's kicking with it. Yeah. I don't know why they call it the oblique kick.

Brian Redban (46:23)

My obliques are making a comeback.

Joe Rogan (46:25)

What is the reason they call it the oblique kick?

Brian Redban (46:28)

10 Planet Kush episode 20 with the

Joe Rogan (46:30)

cats let's find out. Why do they call that the oblique kick? But either way, I never saw anybody. Everybody throws it to the legs.

Eddie Bravo (46:37)

Lorenzo's motherfucker, man.

Joe Rogan (46:40)

For a long time. Nasty. He's nasty. Striker. Yeah, like a wicked striker.

Brian Redban (46:43)

Do you remember?

Eddie Bravo (46:43)

There's some cool trucks.

Joe Rogan (46:45)

Do you.

Brian Redban (46:45)

Do you remember that? I used to do a little YouTube show.

Joe Rogan (46:48)

The angle. That's what it is. The angle and line of the strike. Not for the core oblique muscles. That's what I thought. So it's meaning Slanted or diagonal in geometry, There it is. That makes sense.

Brian Redban (47:00)

My obliques are making a comeback because

Joe Rogan (47:02)

he's the only guy. He actually kind of throws into your obliques.

Brian Redban (47:06)

I play that video. There's a Joey used to do his UFC picks called 10 Planet Kush. And I would film him, and he would be. He'd bet like 500. He'd give. Give. There's a UFC coming up, and I film, and we'd be like, in the alley next to a dumpster at Houston. Houston. We did it all over the place. So it's like a UFC's coming up. Here's 10th Planet Kush, episode six, and it'd be Joey Diaz, and he with his UFC pigs.

Dan Soder (47:30)

Yeah, I'm going six every week.

Brian Redban (47:35)

Yeah. While I'm filming.

Eddie Bravo (47:36)

UFC's tough.

Dan Soder (47:36)

You cannot pick six fights.

Brian Redban (47:38)

Well, check this out, though. While this is what this is, the. The moral of the story is I. When I film him, it's always one take. He gives his picks, and he's, like, batting, like 500, right? And I. And I laugh like, two or three times. Like, I'm filming. I'm like, ah, you know? And one. In one episode. This is episode 20, 10th planet Kush, episode 20. I decide to go to his house, his apartment, to film it. And he had 10 cats. He had 10 cats. So I go and I film. And so basically, I do a little documentary on all his cats. He's giving me the lowdown on all his cats, and it's amazing. These cats are beautiful in a small little apartment.

Eddie Bravo (48:18)

You didn't get hate where people, like, just give us the goddamn pics?

Brian Redban (48:20)

No, well, no, no, no. So by the time we got to the picks, we went through all the stories of all the cats and which cats are fighting other cats? Which cats get along with other cats? He had fidelity, little fellasito. He had Fidel in it, in his lap. And Fidel was the most beautiful cat ever. And then he was ready to give us picks. And all of a sudden, after we go through all the cats and he's ready to give his picks, he's holding Fedo. And then, dude, he just is on fire. He gives all his pics. There's, like, so much he's got on fire. And I'm laughing through the whole thing because he's on fire. Fire. He goes, I just got back from Pilates or yoga. Was it yoga or Pilates?

Eddie Bravo (49:00)

Yoga.

Brian Redban (49:01)

I just got back from yoga. My obliques are making a comeback. And he's going off, and he's holding Fidelito, his cat. And he's going off and I was laughing. My. When you watch, if you watch this, I'm gonna annoy you because I'm laughing too much as he's on fire. I'm laughing the whole time filming.

Joe Rogan (49:18)

I remember it.

Brian Redban (49:19)

And then when I go, then I. I'm driving home, I couldn't wait to edit it and upload it to YouTube. Like, oh my God, this was special. This was special. This isn't gonna be a good one. And you know what? He got all the fights, right?

Eddie Bravo (49:30)

Damn.

Brian Redban (49:31)

Thousand percent.

Eddie Bravo (49:32)

It's tough to do, dude.

Brian Redban (49:33)

Those cats. Those cats, they knew, dude, the cats knew.

Dan Soder (49:36)

I take my cat to the track with me, you know what I'm saying?

Brian Redban (49:41)

How many cats you have now?

Dan Soder (49:42)

One.

Brian Redban (49:43)

Just one? I got four, dog.

Joe Rogan (49:45)

So I think this is the end of the second round here. We got one more round. We should probably pay attention to this.

Dan Soder (49:49)

What do you got, Joe? Two dogs.

Joe Rogan (49:51)

That's it. Two dogs. Cats.

Brian Redban (49:53)

No cats. Get some cats, Joe. Get some cats.

Dan Soder (49:56)

No more chickens.

Joe Rogan (49:57)

I got a bunch of chickens.

Brian Redban (49:58)

Really?

Joe Rogan (49:59)

Yeah, like 15 of them.

Brian Redban (50:02)

Dude, I'm all in on cats. I never was a cat person growing up. Never understood them until like the last six years and now.

Joe Rogan (50:10)

Dude, cats are fun.

Brian Redban (50:11)

My. My cats are everything to me, man.

Eddie Bravo (50:13)

Joe, did you see the mov? Said he can. He does 1500 push ups in an hour.

Joe Rogan (50:18)

Yeah, that's bananas.

Eddie Bravo (50:19)

That's not real, right?

Jamie Vernon (50:22)

He was doing a thousand, now he can do 1500.

Joe Rogan (50:24)

I mean, maybe he can do it. Those guys in prison, he's in shape, right?

Dan Soder (50:29)

Those guys in prison, the question is,

Joe Rogan (50:31)

what do they look like? Are they full extension agree or the. Is he doing.

Eddie Bravo (50:35)

I would like a video of it.

Joe Rogan (50:37)

Is he doing these things?

Eddie Bravo (50:38)

Yeah, like when I said I could. Ben. Shoot 25. Whatever. Like 29 times.

Joe Rogan (50:42)

Where's he from?

Eddie Bravo (50:43)

Somewhere tough and cold.

Joe Rogan (50:45)

Where is Eve Lueb? From what country?

Eddie Bravo (50:48)

Probably Russia.

Joe Rogan (50:49)

He's a Russian, I think. But like, I don't know what part you know.

Brian Redban (50:52)

Damn, that guy's karate. Look at that.

Joe Rogan (50:54)

Oh yeah. Christian Leroy Duncan's a beast, dude.

Brian Redban (50:57)

He's fun. He throws anything.

Eddie Bravo (51:00)

Jamie, did he say 1500 an hour?

Dan Soder (51:03)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (51:03)

Where is.

Eddie Bravo (51:04)

Call him.

Joe Rogan (51:05)

Where's most far from Eve Loew?

Brian Redban (51:11)

Sounds like.

Dan Soder (51:13)

I don't want it to.

Brian Redban (51:15)

I can smell that.

Eddie Bravo (51:18)

I did them twice.

Brian Redban (51:20)

Do you have small salt at home where you go every now and then pop up?

Dan Soder (51:23)

You know what? I do them and I get so high that I forget to put the lid on them. And then two days later I go back and they're dead. I gotta get some more.

Joe Rogan (51:31)

Oh yeah, From Russia.

Eddie Bravo (51:32)

Yeah, could be more Russian.

Joe Rogan (51:34)

One of the things about mob, sorry, Russian, when they do. I was watching this video. I don't know how accurate the video was, but I started incorporating it. When they do sets of push ups, they don't do it for numbers. They do it for time under tension. Their whole idea is like doing it slow and do less repetitions is harder and you know you're doing for sure. Instead of doing like 20, we could just stop at 20. Yeah, or 50. When you stop, you're, you're, you're slow through the whole thing.

Eddie Bravo (52:01)

That's supposed to be better to build

Joe Rogan (52:02)

muscle with your whole body tensed up. You're supposed to tense your, tense your calves, your legs.

Eddie Bravo (52:09)

That's some Russian.

Joe Rogan (52:10)

Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I started doing it.

Dan Soder (52:12)

It's interesting that people remember when we were kids, had the bull worker. You ever have the bull worker thing? Then you squeeze.

Joe Rogan (52:21)

Oh yeah.

Dan Soder (52:21)

That's a lot of things. You get older. Isometric is a lot better. What you're doing those push ups, that's money. A ten count and slow. There's a guy that wrote a book, the Power of Something.

Brian Redban (52:36)

Dude, the power. There's this dude that wrote the Power

Dan Soder (52:39)

of Something, but the book is about. Instead of doing five sets of eight squats, do one set of the heaviest squats you could do for four. And get the. Off the squat rack, you go to the bench press again. Instead of doing three sets of heavy, do a set of nine. Basically you feel like puking. And then from there you do like three or four movements and you're out of there in a half hour.

Brian Redban (53:03)

I like that.

Joe Rogan (53:05)

Is that Mike Mentzer?

Dan Soder (53:06)

No, no, Mike Mentzer is one of the guys. He does more dumbbell. This is, it's similar what I do. The power of 10. It's 10. That's it. The power of 10. That's it. Just when you, when you. And they do the worst workout because when you walk in, there's no warm up. There's no nothing. They put you on the heavy.

Brian Redban (53:24)

I like that. No warm up.

Joe Rogan (53:25)

That sounds like a great way to tear your apart.

Dan Soder (53:27)

That's what I'm saying. But they, she dog those squats. Get used to make me get anxiety. She put like 400 on those things and go, go. And you're like. But she won't let you go for 10 seconds. And it's. I don't know, but I just read about it. I'm like, you know what? Maybe I'll incorporate it after the.

Joe Rogan (53:45)

You always wonder, like, how many people are over training, you know, and how much more. You know, I don't know, more rest. If you got more rest, how much more growth you would have.

Dan Soder (53:53)

Well, Mike Mena was 20 sets per body part.

Joe Rogan (53:56)

That's what he did. Jeez, that was a four split.

Dan Soder (54:00)

That was a two split.

Eddie Bravo (54:01)

Who has that time, though, too?

Dan Soder (54:04)

That's when you're a professional weightlifter. That's what you.

Brian Redban (54:06)

You want. You want to hear some crazy.

Dan Soder (54:08)

You grow all day and get in the head and drink protein po. You know, it's the same thing, you know?

Brian Redban (54:15)

You know, you want to hear some crazy? When you. When George Saroplas was in Australia, I. I was courting George sa Ropolis. He was fighting Dennis Seaver. Remember that? Dennis Seaver, trunk legs.

Eddie Bravo (54:25)

Yep.

Brian Redban (54:26)

And the guy was known for throwing turning sidekicks like Joe. That was his. And if he landed it. Dude, you're going to sleep.

Eddie Bravo (54:31)

Yeah, good one. Yeah.

Brian Redban (54:33)

So we're. He's gonna fight him. We're on our way to the fight. And this before the fight is in the weight room. We're walking through. We see him in the weight room. Dennis Seaver is doing squats with heavy squats right before his fight. Like, what the.

Eddie Bravo (54:53)

Trying to get his. What do you think? That was ramped up.

Dan Soder (54:55)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (54:56)

Wake his body up.

Eddie Bravo (54:56)

Yeah, wake his body.

Joe Rogan (54:57)

He only did one set. It wouldn't you up too bad.

Eddie Bravo (54:59)

Yeah, especially if I was used to doing it, too.

Joe Rogan (55:01)

It would make you weaker.

Brian Redban (55:02)

That scared the out of me, dude.

Joe Rogan (55:04)

You know, when I. You ever do those grip strength things?

Eddie Bravo (55:06)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (55:07)

Here's the thing about those things. You do it once. You get your highest number, and after that, everything drops off. So, like, how much of that is, like, with squats and with everything else, too? If he's doing, like, heavy lifting right before a fight, how much pep does that take out of his legs? I don't know.

Brian Redban (55:21)

I don't know.

Eddie Bravo (55:21)

It might be a thing he's been doing, though, you know, rhythm.

Joe Rogan (55:25)

He's got Christian Leroy Duncan's back. I don't know what happened.

Dan Soder (55:28)

He's got a little.

Joe Rogan (55:29)

Talking so much. It's just one of those things where it's like, everybody's got, like, marab spars five hard rounds the day of a fight.

Eddie Bravo (55:38)

Randy Couture used to do that too.

Brian Redban (55:40)

Thiago Alves was the first guy that I saw, like, working out really hard before his fight. I'm like, what the is he doing?

Joe Rogan (55:48)

They were doing that replenish glycogen. So because a ton of weight. And when Thiago Alva's cut all that weight, they would. He had this guy who's a scientist who explained it to me, and he was like, you put it a certain amount of carbohydrates, but you need a certain amount of exercise. So the, the. The sugar gets back into the muscles.

Brian Redban (56:05)

Yeah, you got to get through that. After you. You go through that extreme weight cut. This is what he said. Because I asked him, like, what the are you doing? He goes, you gotta blast. You gotta get. You gotta get to a, like your heart rate at a certain rate where it forgets that you lost all that weight. And now you're back to normal. Because the first gassing is. You're gonna be. If your first gas after the weight

Eddie Bravo (56:29)

cut is in the fight, you're.

Brian Redban (56:31)

Yeah, you gotta get that first gas out before. So by the time you get to the cage, your body forgot about.

Joe Rogan (56:38)

It's probably both things because it's definitely that. You remember how big he got, bro? Remember when he fought Matt Hughes?

Eddie Bravo (56:44)

Massive. He was.

Joe Rogan (56:45)

He looked like a heavyweight. He was gigantic.

Brian Redban (56:48)

What happened in that fight? I don't remember.

Joe Rogan (56:49)

He stopped him with a flying knee, right?

Brian Redban (56:52)

Matt Hughes?

Joe Rogan (56:52)

Yeah. Didn't he stop Matt Hughes with a flying knee?

Dan Soder (56:55)

I forget.

Joe Rogan (56:55)

Wasn't that when he was coming up?

Eddie Bravo (56:57)

Yeah, and that was like his coming out party. That's how he made like one of the big victories.

Joe Rogan (57:01)

Thiago was a problem. He was a big dude. He was a big. Yeah, there it is.

Eddie Bravo (57:09)

Boom.

Joe Rogan (57:10)

Yeah. Look at his traps there, bro. Dude. He was a terrifying dude. Look at the size of him, man.

Eddie Bravo (57:18)

Brutal.

Joe Rogan (57:18)

He was so big. Yeah. That was crazy. That was a bad one. Thiago was a real problem in his prime, dude. People forget, you know, they forget. They forget. They see guys lose later in their career. They forget. In his prime, Tiago Alva's was a nightmare, man. Devastating leg kicks would whip them down on you.

Eddie Bravo (57:38)

Oh, buddy.

Joe Rogan (57:38)

Oh, he whipped his leg kicks.

Eddie Bravo (57:40)

But like the new fan base that came along, like around Covid and during the Conor McGregor time, they don't know any of this old school.

Brian Redban (57:46)

Oh, dude, there's so much time, dude. How about the late 90s? Are you up with the late 90s, like the early UFCs and all that? Yeah, UFC 1 through 8, dude, I had all those fights on one VHS tape. It's a four hour tape edited, just the fights and the tail of the tape. UFC 1 through 8?

Eddie Bravo (58:05)

Yeah, man.

Brian Redban (58:06)

I put it at the strip club, dog. All day we'd be watching fights. Dudes wouldn't even be watching the chicks. And the chicks were getting mad. Can you turn that off? Nobody's even looking at. My girls would get mad and the manager like, shut the up. Go give. Go give a lab dance. We're watching the fights.

Joe Rogan (58:23)

All right, who won? Christian did. Christian Leroy Duncan.

Dan Soder (58:26)

Y.

Brian Redban (58:28)

You know, I'm at the gym and they show like, there's like a best of UFC at the gym all the time. And I. I just saw Stephen Thompson, Wonder boy versus Kevin Holland. God damn, that was a good fight. You remember that fight? Cuz some people that throw wheel kicks, they'll throw one, maybe two in a fight. Dude, Stephen Thompson threw 38 wheel kicks. He kept throwing them over and over and over like SM Barboura. So might give you one in a fight, maybe two. Dude, do you remember that fight? Kevin Thomas, Kevin Holland, did he retire?

Eddie Bravo (59:04)

He might have one left, I don't know.

Brian Redban (59:06)

But Kevin Holland is an amazing warrior, dude. He took a lot of. He was throwing a lot of.

Joe Rogan (59:13)

Yeah, it took a lot of. It was a weird fight because Kevin made like a. They made an agreement not to go

Eddie Bravo (59:17)

to the ground, which is so stupid crazy.

Brian Redban (59:20)

I did not know that.

Joe Rogan (59:21)

You're fighting guy who's.

Eddie Bravo (59:22)

That changes everything.

Joe Rogan (59:23)

You're fighting a guy who's the scariest kickboxer in just kickboxing.

Eddie Bravo (59:27)

I mean, that's why you love Kevin Holland.

Joe Rogan (59:29)

But what are you doing, dude? When he was in his prime as a kickboxer, I think he was something crazy. Like 61 and 0.

Eddie Bravo (59:34)

Oh, even more than that. It was over 100. So I met Wonder Boy Thompson, GSP bro brought him into our camp. Was a. Nobody had no MMA fights. And GSP is like, you guys are going to want to spar with this guy. It's crazy, dude. It's like in that movie Rush Hour when Chris Tucker hit was like, which one of y' all hit me?

Brian Redban (59:53)

Yeah,

Eddie Bravo (59:56)

everybody.

Joe Rogan (59:57)

Yeah. No, he was. He was.

Eddie Bravo (59:59)

You've never seen anything like it.

Joe Rogan (60:00)

Never seen anything like it. If there was a real kickboxing league, that guy would have been a huge superstar.

Eddie Bravo (60:06)

It crazy.

Joe Rogan (60:06)

Like slap fighting's big and they can't figure out, is it possible combat jiu jitsu?

Eddie Bravo (60:12)

Yeah, combat's a different kind of big right there.

Joe Rogan (60:14)

Like one FC has. They have atom weight fights.

Eddie Bravo (60:18)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (60:19)

They have dudes that are fighting that are 105 pounds in Muay Thai and they move so fast you would swear that your phone is on Double speed.

Eddie Bravo (60:28)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (60:28)

You watch it, you're like, wow, how is this real?

Brian Redban (60:31)

Do like boxing was like that back in the day, in the heyday. Remember Carol vs. Barrera? Those 115 pound boxers max. 115.

Joe Rogan (60:45)

Isn't it interesting that you can't pay per view? It's like anything below even 125 is.

Eddie Bravo (60:51)

People don't with them.

Joe Rogan (60:52)

It's hard for people to.

Brian Redban (60:53)

Dude, there were big fights, dude. Marco Antonio Barrera versus Michael Carbajal. Those dudes are 115.

Eddie Bravo (61:01)

But Joe, when you, when you say slap fight's big, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it gets views, but there's no. You can't name a slap fight athlete, right?

Joe Rogan (61:09)

No, that's true.

Eddie Bravo (61:11)

It's like the special.

Joe Rogan (61:12)

The thing is that it's just getting a lot of attention.

Eddie Bravo (61:15)

It gets a lot of attention.

Dan Soder (61:16)

But you know, man, I've been going on deep holes on old school boxing. Like Duran Mugabe, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray, late night. I watch those things and I call him and I go, what was going on back then that's different from now? And we both go, those didn't give a about brain damage.

Eddie Bravo (61:35)

They were tougher.

Dan Soder (61:35)

Marvin Hagler. No, these guys today are even tougher.

Eddie Bravo (61:38)

Oh, I disagree.

Dan Soder (61:38)

Solid.

Joe Rogan (61:39)

Watch these dudes. This Japanese dude on the right, 105. Yes.

Eddie Bravo (61:43)

With MMA gloves on.

Joe Rogan (61:44)

Yoshinari on the right, he moves like double speed. Like you can't believe how fast he is. This is 105 pounds. Watch how fast this guy is. Oh, wow, bro. This fight is wild. I watched it last night and I was ready to go to bed and I turned it on YouTube and I was like, holy, I gotta watch this whole fight. This is crazy.

Brian Redban (62:01)

Is that where you get your kickboxing and when you go to sleep always. It's always when you go to sleep.

Joe Rogan (62:06)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (62:06)

Okay.

Joe Rogan (62:06)

Kickboxing, I'm like wonder like how the

Brian Redban (62:08)

do you know so much kickboxing? Where do you watch?

Joe Rogan (62:10)

The professional pool? Right before I go to bed, I like to watch things that have no consequence on the world world. Like this is just fun. But this dude, Yoshinari is so fast, dude, just like so wicked. And he throws this nasty straight left hand to the body. It's so quick you could barely see it coming. It's weird. Like both of these guys, the guy rock. He's fighting too, is this Thailand guy. He's vicious as too and against anybody else he would look elite. But this Japanese guy just is lighting him up. Just the speed that these guys have. They have no gravity. Like, look how just the Throwing the kick and then checking the kick when the return kick comes.

Eddie Bravo (62:52)

They're so fast. And the technique is.

Brian Redban (62:54)

He threw that knee like a jab. He threw that knee like a jab.

Joe Rogan (62:56)

Everything's flawless.

Eddie Bravo (62:58)

Adam, wait. Though American.

Joe Rogan (62:59)

This.

Eddie Bravo (63:00)

Get the.

Joe Rogan (63:01)

But they would. Because on t. Look at that straight left to the body and then the front kick behind it. The thing is, like, on tv, it doesn't matter. You don't know. You just. You know, they're.

Brian Redban (63:10)

You got a point for the takedown.

Joe Rogan (63:12)

You just. It just. It's Muay Thai. It counts. Yeah, but.

Eddie Bravo (63:15)

But Demetrius Johnson would have been the most famous guy on the planet then, you know, when he found the oc.

Joe Rogan (63:19)

Hey, he should have been. He should have been when he.

Eddie Bravo (63:21)

What's funny is he's more famous now.

Brian Redban (63:23)

It's all about.

Joe Rogan (63:24)

It's all about the promotion, right from streaming his YouTube shows. Great.

Eddie Bravo (63:28)

Like, he's.

Joe Rogan (63:29)

Where does he stream. Does he stream on YouTube or somewhere else?

Eddie Bravo (63:32)

I don't know. I don't know. He's.

Joe Rogan (63:34)

Podcast.

Eddie Bravo (63:35)

I think he's called the Mighty Cast, bro. Look, he's.

Joe Rogan (63:37)

Great ass, this guy is. I. I mean, I watched this fight twice last night. I was like, this Yoshinari guy is so fast. Like, the counters with the kicks, they move faster than hands.

Eddie Bravo (63:48)

It's like two cats fighting.

Joe Rogan (63:49)

It's nuts, man. Like, the. The speed of their kicks is just bananas.

Eddie Bravo (63:55)

I'll tell you this.

Joe Rogan (63:55)

I wish they were bigger.

Brian Redban (63:56)

Isn't it crazy that. Isn't it crazy that, like, a. A cobra can't strike a cat? There's so many videos.

Joe Rogan (64:02)

Like, cats are so.

Brian Redban (64:03)

The cats are too quick.

Joe Rogan (64:04)

Cats are so.

Brian Redban (64:05)

The cobra can't with the cat.

Eddie Bravo (64:06)

When you see, like, a honey badger, a wolverine, where for a.

Joe Rogan (64:09)

They don't care if the snake bites them. They're like, they lie there half dead, then they come back to life and eat the snake. Yeah, that's a crazy animal.

Eddie Bravo (64:18)

Aren't they immune to the venom? Is that this way?

Joe Rogan (64:20)

Yeah, they recover from it. Why would God make some, like, just the evilest little. That steals food from lions?

Brian Redban (64:26)

How crazy is that? The cats have reptile eyes and they hiss.

Joe Rogan (64:30)

That is crazy.

Brian Redban (64:31)

Isn't that crazy? They have reptile eyes and cats right now.

Joe Rogan (64:35)

I know.

Brian Redban (64:35)

And they hiss.

Joe Rogan (64:37)

Yep.

Brian Redban (64:38)

No less animals.

Joe Rogan (64:40)

That's.

Brian Redban (64:41)

That's what a snake does, and that's what cats do.

Eddie Bravo (64:43)

Yeah, cats.

Brian Redban (64:44)

Yeah, cats.

Eddie Bravo (64:45)

Big cats.

Brian Redban (64:45)

Yeah, they hiss.

Eddie Bravo (64:47)

You need to go to the Austin Zoo. Anybody Been there.

Joe Rogan (64:49)

I've been.

Eddie Bravo (64:50)

You're about this far away from a tiger. There's just.

Joe Rogan (64:53)

It's just.

Eddie Bravo (64:54)

It's like a fence, bro.

Joe Rogan (64:55)

It's.

Eddie Bravo (64:55)

It's not like San Diego, where there's a huge glass eight feet away. Nah, you can touch the. The tail.

Joe Rogan (65:02)

My kids were climbing on the wall.

Eddie Bravo (65:05)

Oh, bro, you're so close, dude.

Joe Rogan (65:06)

Yeah, but you can't really.

Eddie Bravo (65:07)

Someone's for sure gonna get up there, and I'm all for it. It's great.

Joe Rogan (65:10)

You can't.

Eddie Bravo (65:11)

It's the best zoo.

Brian Redban (65:12)

No, you can't.

Joe Rogan (65:12)

It's more separated than that.

Eddie Bravo (65:14)

Oh, barely, though, bubba.

Joe Rogan (65:15)

Look how fast these are. This is crazy. I mean, this fight is heated up now.

Eddie Bravo (65:20)

Does it go to decision?

Joe Rogan (65:22)

No, no. Yoshinar stops him. It's pretty spectacular when he does it. So who we got here?

Eddie Bravo (65:32)

Austin Lane.

Joe Rogan (65:33)

Oh, this dude had the craziest fight. Iwo Baraniski. I don't know how to say his right. His name correctly. I memorized it last time, but that dude had the craziest fight in his last outing where they. I forget who he's fighting, but they just stood toe to toe in front of each other and just blasted each other. Multiple knockdowns, haymakers. And eventually he came out on top, but it was chaos.

Eddie Bravo (65:54)

Joe, with some of the tough names. Do you, like, memorize the night before? Do you have an earpiece, too?

Joe Rogan (65:58)

I have a thing where they say it. So the UFC sends me an email, and they say it in their email, so then I listen to them say it and then I repeat it, and then I have to write it down phonetically. It's the most stressful day, is the weigh ins for me. I'm so stressed out, you know, I

Eddie Bravo (66:13)

have to stop watching because I'm stressed for you. Because I struggle with names. I really struggle with, like, the Russian names.

Joe Rogan (66:18)

And some of them are crazy.

Eddie Bravo (66:21)

Off.

Joe Rogan (66:22)

Some of them are crazy. They had this Mongolian dude the other day. I had to practice his name for 20 minutes. He had the dopest hat, too. One of them Genghis Khan hats. Like leather on the top, fur. He came out with it on.

Eddie Bravo (66:32)

It stresses me out.

Joe Rogan (66:33)

Yeah, it's. Look, this is coming. It's. He's going to stop this dude soon. The speed this Japanese guy has, man, is bananas.

Brian Redban (66:42)

It's all that kimchi.

Joe Rogan (66:43)

And I think this is. He's a Japanese buddy, not Korean. I think this is the first time they had Atom weight with men.

Brian Redban (66:49)

At least.

Joe Rogan (66:50)

I've never seen it before, dude, man. But because look how skillful this cat is.

Eddie Bravo (66:57)

Well, my, my 10 year old's 105.

Joe Rogan (67:00)

And he throws those Japanese guys throw those toe kicks to the body where they literally straighten their foot out and they stab you with their big toe in the liver. It's nuts. There's a bunch of these guys, like, especially the Kyokushin karate guys, they practice that.

Eddie Bravo (67:15)

But if people understood that these guys are more technical and more talented than all the other weights. But the problem is, is your normal average. Like casual viewers, like, oh, I could beat them up. They're tiny.

Brian Redban (67:26)

It's like, buddy, you can't really tell how tiny they are. Like, if you told me that this is 135, I would believe it. Oh, that's 135.

Joe Rogan (67:33)

You know what I mean? The end is near.

Brian Redban (67:34)

Can't tell.

Joe Rogan (67:35)

He just rocked that dude with a head.

Brian Redban (67:36)

You just got to make sure the

Jamie Vernon (67:37)

ref is in the ref.

Brian Redban (67:38)

Make.

Jamie Vernon (67:38)

You can tell.

Eddie Bravo (67:39)

Yeah, make the ref a.

Brian Redban (67:41)

And these guys are middleweights, bro.

Eddie Bravo (67:43)

That ref is 5.

Jamie Vernon (67:43)

Barely over the ropes,

Joe Rogan (67:46)

bro.

Brian Redban (67:47)

Yeah, you can shoot around that if it's really an issue. And, and, and it makes a difference on, on views.

Eddie Bravo (67:52)

Just don't have like Big John as the ref.

Brian Redban (67:54)

Yeah, no, no, you got to have a

Joe Rogan (67:58)

right. Or Dan Murgliotta.

Eddie Bravo (68:01)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (68:01)

That guy's a big old gorilla.

Brian Redban (68:03)

Remove the. The top two ropes. Boom. So they look like giants. Like, damn, those guys are huge.

Joe Rogan (68:09)

But you need a big guy with big guys to be able to separate. You need a Mark Goddard.

Dan Soder (68:14)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (68:14)

You know, you need a hefty. You need a big dude that's strong to get guys.

Brian Redban (68:20)

Now we're talking about 105 deception. You're right.

Joe Rogan (68:23)

Like a normal fight, you just hit him with a flying knee in the face. This cat is so fast, so technical too. Like everything. Look how he's slick. He is moving off the line and pulling his head back, moving to the side. Like, everything is just so slick.

Eddie Bravo (68:40)

Isn't it weird how much more technical the smaller the like, the lower the weight have to be way more.

Joe Rogan (68:45)

They don't have any power. They got to catch you like perfect to knock you out. It's not like a heavyweight where it's

Eddie Bravo (68:50)

one shot, but there's also more competition. So you have to be really, really good.

Joe Rogan (68:54)

It's also just the speed. There's no gravity. They weigh 105 pounds.

Eddie Bravo (69:00)

Live forever.

Joe Rogan (69:01)

Their legs move so quick. Everything moves so quick. Their arms are so small.

Eddie Bravo (69:07)

But also at that weight has to be a perfect shot to inflict damage like a Heavyweight clips you with a jab, you're.

Joe Rogan (69:13)

Exactly. But it's just how fast these guys can check things. Look at that left hand to the body he throws. It's nuts.

Brian Redban (69:20)

If they weighed in at 105, they probably walk at, like 120, right?

Joe Rogan (69:24)

110, who knows? They don't look big. If you're fighting at 105, it's probably because that's really your weight class.

Eddie Bravo (69:32)

About 108.

Joe Rogan (69:32)

Nobody wants to admit they fight at 105. They want to lie because women are like, why you weigh less than me?

Dan Soder (69:41)

Your scenario is so fucking technical.

Joe Rogan (69:43)

Oh, it's unbelievable. Look at that knee to the body. There's that straight left. I mean, he's tuning him up. I'm pretty sure this is around where he stops him. There it is with a bull cut.

Brian Redban (69:55)

Here it comes. Boom.

Joe Rogan (69:56)

Look how it's throwing it to the body, man. It's just.

Eddie Bravo (69:58)

It's.

Joe Rogan (69:59)

He's so quick. It's weird when you watch that. It's like everybody else looks slow now.

Eddie Bravo (70:04)

And I think one championship's focusing more on the mma. I'm sorry, The Muay Thai with the

Joe Rogan (70:09)

MMA gloves, they're folks. Look at how slick that was.

Brian Redban (70:11)

Is rack Mexican?

Joe Rogan (70:13)

No, he's Thailand.

Eddie Bravo (70:14)

Oh, yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan (70:19)

These. There's a lot of Japanese guys that are dominating now. They're dominating in one FC in kickboxing especially. This is like the first one that I've seen that's really dominating in. In pure Muay Thai. Oh, look at that. Look at that. Straight left.

Eddie Bravo (70:36)

Heavyweight's about to fight. Austin Lane, played for the Dallas Cowboys. Eddie, what position? D end. It might have been Carolina, but I'm pretty sure Dallas defensive end.

Brian Redban (70:44)

What does he weigh? What is he? So if you're 205, he's probably 230,

Eddie Bravo (70:50)

but he used to fight at heavyweight, and he was like, 260.

Brian Redban (70:52)

Okay.

Eddie Bravo (70:53)

He's cut down.

Joe Rogan (70:56)

It's interesting because we were talking about heavyweight. Like, that pool is the shallowest.

Eddie Bravo (71:00)

Pool pool.

Joe Rogan (71:01)

Like when. When Francis was going over and they said they were going to do a fight on that card, I was like, who's he gonna fight?

Brian Redban (71:07)

Philip L. Garrett. Imagine that. Miles Garrett fought, bro 290. All muscle.

Eddie Bravo (71:13)

Yeah, but that's.

Brian Redban (71:14)

His nickname is Jurassic.

Joe Rogan (71:16)

Philip Lens is good, but it's like, who else?

Eddie Bravo (71:19)

Phil's fought at 205 Bubba.

Joe Rogan (71:20)

Right?

Eddie Bravo (71:21)

You know what I'm saying? So it's like.

Joe Rogan (71:22)

Right, but.

Eddie Bravo (71:22)

But to MVP's defense, like, who else is right?

Joe Rogan (71:25)

That's the question. There's no like free agents that are. That you would go, oh, I want to see that.

Eddie Bravo (71:30)

That's what makes the ufc, you know, kind of have a stranglehold on the industry, is these long contracts. Guys really can't get out. It's very tough to get out.

Joe Rogan (71:38)

Well, heavyweights, like, there's a. There's not talent pool so small already. And the UFC's locked up all the good ones. How about that one dude that he won, and they caught him loose because he's so boring. That's crazy.

Brian Redban (71:54)

Is that the only time that's ever happened?

Joe Rogan (71:56)

I don't know.

Brian Redban (71:57)

How do you win in your cut?

Eddie Bravo (71:59)

Because you're not entertaining, but you're beating guys.

Brian Redban (72:01)

But I'd never.

Eddie Bravo (72:02)

I mean, who's lost, like six in a row? And they move him up in the rankings. I love ties, so I hope he gets to number one. But heavyweight's a show. Oh, that's bad.

Dan Soder (72:17)

Down there goes the Dallas Cowboys, as usual.

Joe Rogan (72:22)

Yeah, as usual. That dude's a tank man.

Eddie Bravo (72:24)

Yeah, he's a problem. Damn MVPs. Up next.

Brian Redban (72:27)

Is that guy Russian or something? What is he? Was his name Ewo? That was Iwo.

Joe Rogan (72:31)

I think he's from Poland. Is he Polish? Bar, but to your point, Joe, that

Eddie Bravo (72:38)

the heavyweight division is Poland? Yeah, the heavyweight division is. And it's the worst it's ever been.

Joe Rogan (72:43)

It's. It's weird because you got Gabe Stevenson, who's not in the UFC yet. He's the guy that's the most interesting dude, and he's not even in the

Eddie Bravo (72:51)

US Someone got me. It must have been. You know how there's MMA sites that leak and who knows if it's true? They're like, Gabe Stevenson vs. JDS on the MVP card. I'm like, bro, take my money. I was crunk for it, and then I was doing on my show crazy. You could see it happening.

Joe Rogan (73:08)

Here it is. Boom. Over the top looks worse because his dreads.

Jamie Vernon (73:12)

Oh, I saw something that said Mighty Mouse was on it, but that's obviously not true.

Joe Rogan (73:15)

No, Mighty Mouse, he's. He's flatly said he's retired.

Brian Redban (73:19)

What's. What's the worst case scenario in a fight? You get knocked the out, you get flatlined, and they gotta take you out on a stretcher, Right? That would be the worst. There's nothing worse than that.

Joe Rogan (73:28)

Right?

Brian Redban (73:29)

That's the worst.

Eddie Bravo (73:30)

That sucks.

Joe Rogan (73:30)

Other than a broken leg. Do you remember the thing is, like, if you get knocked the out and take it on the stretcher, you might be okay in a few months.

Eddie Bravo (73:36)

Six Months.

Brian Redban (73:37)

Visually. Visually, Visually, it's bad, right?

Eddie Bravo (73:41)

I think for your ego, getting knocked out.

Brian Redban (73:42)

So do you guys Remember when K1 was in Los Angeles in 2005? That was when Hoist fought Sakuraba the second time and beat him. People forget about that. Hoist beat Sakuraba. He beat him from on his back. Sakuraba standing. He was throwing sidekicks to Sakuraba's knee off his butt. It was crazy. But also on that card, there was a football player. He played for the. He was a wide receiver.

Eddie Bravo (74:05)

Johnny Morton.

Brian Redban (74:06)

Johnny Morton. For the. He was a wide receiver for the Detroit Lions. He goes out and he fights a black dude who is. Lives in Japan and is a comedian, but he's a kickboxer too. I forget his name. Black dude, Japanese guy.

Joe Rogan (74:20)

Yeah, there it is.

Brian Redban (74:21)

Dude. Look, dude. He.

Eddie Bravo (74:23)

He.

Brian Redban (74:24)

He gets put in a stretcher. Johnny Morton. So after this, after this, he only had one fight. No football players. All the football players were training for mma. They were going to do MMA and dominate. That's why they. They. They're not fighting.

Joe Rogan (74:38)

Crazy to step all the way up to a guy as a pro kickboxer.

Brian Redban (74:41)

They don't show the stretcher.

Eddie Bravo (74:43)

Yeah. Johnny Morton got up.

Joe Rogan (74:45)

That was K1 dynamite. We were there drinking next to Charles.

Brian Redban (74:49)

Crazy horse spinning. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (74:51)

Look at that, dude.

Brian Redban (74:52)

That's the.

Joe Rogan (74:53)

We're hanging out with Charles.

Brian Redban (74:55)

You get taken out in a structure.

Joe Rogan (74:57)

That was Brock Lesnar's first MMA fight.

Eddie Bravo (75:00)

That's right.

Joe Rogan (75:01)

That's right.

Eddie Bravo (75:01)

It was outdoor SoCal.

Joe Rogan (75:03)

Yep, that's right.

Jamie Vernon (75:04)

Oh, my God. Watch that move the guy makes. Watch him jerk his neck, right?

Dan Soder (75:09)

Oh, damn.

Joe Rogan (75:10)

Jesus Christ, bro. He's like, dude, I don't need to

Brian Redban (75:14)

be taken out, please. That's all NFL players. Players, dude. That's when they dipped out when they saw that.

Dan Soder (75:21)

And that's the fight when your mother goes, your grandmother goes, your girlfriend goes, you're gonna.

Brian Redban (75:26)

He was an awesome NFL wide receiver.

Eddie Bravo (75:29)

Johnny Morton, he was a stud at usc.

Brian Redban (75:31)

He was awesome.

Eddie Bravo (75:32)

He's from there, bro. So he got knocked down from everybody.

Brian Redban (75:35)

Worst case scenario, there's a bunch of football players after that, though.

Joe Rogan (75:38)

What?

Jamie Vernon (75:38)

Jamie is outside at the Coliseum.

Joe Rogan (75:40)

Yeah, yeah.

Eddie Bravo (75:41)

Outdoor.

Dan Soder (75:41)

Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Eddie Bravo (75:44)

Because you also had Michael Westbrook, Remember him? Black belt.

Joe Rogan (75:48)

Remember Michael Westbrook?

Dan Soder (75:49)

Yes.

Brian Redban (75:49)

He's a fighter. Yes, that's right. He Washington Redskins.

Joe Rogan (75:51)

Yep.

Brian Redban (75:52)

Why did he.

Eddie Bravo (75:52)

University Colorado cut the. The Michigan Hail Mary.

Brian Redban (75:55)

Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan (75:56)

Where did he fight? He fought.

Eddie Bravo (76:00)

Bring that up, Jamie.

Joe Rogan (76:01)

He.

Eddie Bravo (76:01)

He had some straight up MMA fights. He was so athletic.

Brian Redban (76:05)

Another fight that came up at the gym was Brock Lesnar versus Alistair Overeem, which he was eating horse Meade.

Joe Rogan (76:11)

Oh, yeah.

Dan Soder (76:11)

Whoa.

Eddie Bravo (76:12)

You know, juiciest fight in history. You know, was brutal.

Joe Rogan (76:16)

I forgot it.

Eddie Bravo (76:18)

What were you going to say? I forget football. I forgot football.

Joe Rogan (76:24)

Oh, Herschel Walker.

Brian Redban (76:25)

Oh, yes.

Joe Rogan (76:26)

People forgot about Hersel. He did good. He was doing good in Strike Force, which He did his 40s.

Eddie Bravo (76:31)

And he was 40s. He was stiff 40s.

Joe Rogan (76:33)

He was up.

Eddie Bravo (76:35)

King of the cage. That's right. Michael Westbrook, King of the cage.

Dan Soder (76:38)

Michael Westbrook. A playing at Colorado.

Joe Rogan (76:41)

Jamie, MMA highlights.

Dan Soder (76:44)

I was there.

Eddie Bravo (76:45)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (76:46)

Herschel Walker, MMA highlights. When he fought for Strike Force.

Eddie Bravo (76:48)

Yep. Remember, stiff as. But he was a problem in his 40s.

Joe Rogan (76:52)

People up. Dude, he looked real good and scary and he. Guys that knew how to fight. He fought real guys. I mean, they weren't top guys, remember? They were real guys.

Brian Redban (77:04)

And didn't he run for political.

Joe Rogan (77:06)

Yes. Yeah.

Jamie Vernon (77:07)

48 here.

Joe Rogan (77:08)

Yeah, he's 48 here.

Eddie Bravo (77:10)

That's wild.

Joe Rogan (77:11)

Wild.

Eddie Bravo (77:12)

They say he's like the biggest freak of all time.

Joe Rogan (77:14)

Oh, athletic freak. Yeah, for sure.

Eddie Bravo (77:16)

Was he one. Like I said, he didn't lift weights.

Brian Redban (77:18)

And I think he did a thousand push ups a day and a thousand sit ups. Thousand sit ups and thousand squats.

Joe Rogan (77:24)

He said crazy things. Like he only eats a bowl of soup and a salad.

Dan Soder (77:27)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (77:27)

I don't know, man. Yeah, you said crazy things.

Eddie Bravo (77:29)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (77:29)

People were like, wait, one day you did that, the other day you ate a whole cow.

Eddie Bravo (77:34)

Just cap the crunch.

Joe Rogan (77:35)

That doesn't make any sense, man. You're so jacked. There's no way you're supporting that with a salad and a bowl of soup.

Eddie Bravo (77:41)

No, dude, he's that.

Joe Rogan (77:42)

But he also had. I want to say it was trauma based personality disorder. Like multiple personality disorder.

Brian Redban (77:50)

No way.

Joe Rogan (77:51)

Yeah. A handful of. Yeah, dude, he. He was. Look at the size of him. Look how jacked he is at 48.

Dan Soder (77:57)

Just shredded.

Joe Rogan (78:00)

The fights were good too. Like, he's skillful. I mean, he was definitely like super duper strong. And that was a big part of it.

Eddie Bravo (78:05)

Look at that.

Joe Rogan (78:06)

Look how jacked is, son. That's crazy. 48, that's nuts.

Dan Soder (78:11)

Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan (78:12)

That's nuts.

Dan Soder (78:13)

You have to go to his game. Like, watch it. When he kept jumping over the score in the national championship game.

Brian Redban (78:21)

Herschel Walker.

Dan Soder (78:22)

Herschel Walker kept.

Eddie Bravo (78:23)

When he played for Georgia.

Dan Soder (78:24)

When he played for Georgia. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That he used to do.

Brian Redban (78:29)

Dude, do you remember he went to the.

Eddie Bravo (78:30)

Remember usfl?

Brian Redban (78:31)

He went to usfl like Jim Kelly, too, when I thought I was going to be a football player. I was like, you know, 12 years old. They go, where are you going to go to NFL or the usfl?

Eddie Bravo (78:44)

Like, whoever pays me the most money.

Brian Redban (78:46)

You know, I go with, where the bags at, dog? Dude, the USF D. I really thought I was going to play football.

Joe Rogan (78:53)

That's funny.

Brian Redban (78:54)

I had no idea.

Joe Rogan (78:54)

Just, like, imagine how much we're talking about Yoel Romero's physique. And y. Romero don't even look as good as Herschel.

Eddie Bravo (79:01)

Yeah, true, but you're always a better fighter.

Joe Rogan (79:03)

Oh, beyond.

Dan Soder (79:04)

Yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban (79:06)

I would say Hersel, but still Herschel.

Joe Rogan (79:09)

So shredded.

Brian Redban (79:10)

I would say they had very similar bodies.

Joe Rogan (79:12)

No, there's more shredded. Herschel's more shredded. Yeah. Well, Yoel looks Super impressive at 48.

Eddie Bravo (79:17)

Yo's back.

Joe Rogan (79:18)

But Yoel's like, He's. He's bigger. He's got more body fat on him. You know, he's like, he's bigger. He's like. He's. He's fighting heavyweight now. See? You know, remember how big it was one time we did a podcast with him. It was. He was still fighting and wanting. Look at that. Look at that. Herschel Walker.

Eddie Bravo (79:32)

Come on.

Brian Redban (79:32)

All right, all right.

Joe Rogan (79:33)

That's 48.

Eddie Bravo (79:34)

We go to YOL, though, too.

Joe Rogan (79:36)

Kind of bananas.

Brian Redban (79:37)

Damn those traps.

Joe Rogan (79:38)

Kind of bananas.

Eddie Bravo (79:39)

That's football traps.

Dan Soder (79:40)

Football traps.

Joe Rogan (79:40)

But the thing about Yol is Yoel's not cutting any weight anymore. You know, when he was fighting 185Mvp,

Eddie Bravo (79:46)

you wanted to knock people's socks off. I do, Darren. Till Yoel Romero. Take my money, dude. I already have a subscription. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan (79:54)

But I don't think Darren's doing any MMA anymore. I think it's just boxing. You know, he looked really good against Luke Rockhold, and I think his knees with him, with him, you know, he had some real bad knee.

Eddie Bravo (80:05)

That's why he left to get on some peptide, some other. And you cure that knee?

Joe Rogan (80:08)

Doesn't really cure it that well. It depends on how much you got some stem cells.

Eddie Bravo (80:12)

That's where he got some stem cells.

Joe Rogan (80:13)

Yeah. But if once you have meniscus problems, you've got no cushioning in there and you get arthritis, brother.

Eddie Bravo (80:18)

So I just torn meniscus since the Ultimate Fighter, and I could. You know, I like to run long distance. And I was telling Brigham about it, and he's like, dude, tell him. Let's see what these stem cells do. I can run all day now.

Joe Rogan (80:31)

I'm sure. I believe you, but the thing Is like once the cartilage is gone. Territory.

Eddie Bravo (80:37)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (80:38)

There's not a whole lot they can do.

Eddie Bravo (80:39)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (80:40)

It's always going to hurt.

Brian Redban (80:41)

I'm hearing that stem cells are regrown cartilage too. That's the latest.

Joe Rogan (80:46)

Yeah. I've seen them here. That's like new studies. I don't think they've applied to humans yet, but they're going to be able to do that. And they're also going to be able to. There's a new treatment for disc. Degenerative disc disease.

Eddie Bravo (80:56)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (80:57)

Where they're spreading the discs out, making them larger again.

Eddie Bravo (80:59)

Stem cells are wild.

Dan Soder (81:00)

I've been telling Joe for the last two days he don't know what I'm talking about. And I'll bring him. Last year, that kid from the Boston Celtics ripped his leg apart during the playoffs. What's his name?

Jamie Vernon (81:11)

Jason Tatum. He came back in 248 days or something like that.

Dan Soder (81:14)

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. What did he rip, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon (81:18)

Achilles, I think.

Dan Soder (81:19)

Achilles and something in his knee. The other guy's still out. This came back in the first game. He slam dunked it. And I'm like. I just watched it to see. I thought he was in a buckle and.

Joe Rogan (81:30)

248 days. Yeah, 298. That's a good amount of time. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (81:34)

It's almost a year.

Joe Rogan (81:35)

Yeah. That gives you plenty of time to get rehabilitated and then build your strength.

Jamie Vernon (81:40)

Starting NBA though.

Joe Rogan (81:41)

Amazing.

Dan Soder (81:42)

That gives you.

Joe Rogan (81:42)

It's amazing because.

Eddie Bravo (81:43)

How long was Kobe out?

Jamie Vernon (81:45)

Not longer, I think I know.

Eddie Bravo (81:46)

But you're talking about.

Brian Redban (81:47)

Remember Aaron Rodgers when he tore his Achilles? He came back real quick.

Eddie Bravo (81:50)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (81:50)

That's Aaron Rodgers.

Joe Rogan (81:53)

Aaron Rodgers was working with Brigham.

Eddie Bravo (81:55)

Yes.

Dan Soder (81:55)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (81:55)

They're working with waste to.

Eddie Bravo (81:56)

Well, yep.

Joe Rogan (81:58)

That's part of the reason why he came back so quick was. Was stem cells correct?

Dan Soder (82:01)

Yeah. Yeah. What they got out now like for that injury. I knew something is. You know, when I was a kid, if you ripped your Achilles, you're out. That's a year.

Eddie Bravo (82:10)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (82:11)

You're out before. And this guy.

Brian Redban (82:12)

I'm not.

Dan Soder (82:12)

You're not getting to what I said. It's 249 days or whatever the. It was. 298 days. But that's just to do shit. Never mind playing an NBA, dunking a basketball and dunking a fucking basketball joke.

Joe Rogan (82:25)

Right.

Eddie Bravo (82:26)

Football.

Brian Redban (82:26)

You need a little more time. Football.

Dan Soder (82:28)

I paid attention to that guy and I came in here a year ago and I told you I went to a Celtic game and the strength that Jayson Tatum had.

Eddie Bravo (82:35)

Oh, he's a beast.

Dan Soder (82:36)

Is not the strength that basketball players, when I played had. They're training different things. It's a whole new world out there. That lightning when they go into paint. Have you seen that seven foot guy

Eddie Bravo (82:46)

shooting jumpers for San Antonio? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban (82:49)

Oh yeah, that, that Wemby Asian guy? Yeah. No, no, no, no, he's French. French black.

Joe Rogan (82:56)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (82:56)

I don't follow basketball. I know that guy.

Dan Soder (82:59)

But I thought, you know, when something.

Joe Rogan (83:01)

I'm interested in this.

Dan Soder (83:02)

Yep.

Joe Rogan (83:02)

Adesanya and Joe Pifer. Very interested in that. That's a scary fight.

Eddie Bravo (83:07)

I would have put that on the White House.

Joe Rogan (83:08)

Yeah, right.

Dan Soder (83:09)

Listen, I have a friend that.

Joe Rogan (83:10)

Right, that would be crazy.

Dan Soder (83:12)

I had a friend that did crack, but 40 years, no teeth. He's driving a cab. He got that rectal cancer. What is that?

Brian Redban (83:21)

Rectal.

Joe Rogan (83:21)

Oh yeah, that one. Colon cancer.

Dan Soder (83:23)

Colon cancer. Three treatments, guys.

Brian Redban (83:26)

Of stems.

Eddie Bravo (83:27)

No, in your head.

Joe Rogan (83:28)

What do you get?

Brian Redban (83:30)

Three treatments of what?

Joe Rogan (83:31)

Something they just. He's good to go.

Dan Soder (83:33)

Good to go. He's back, smoking crack, driving the cab.

Brian Redban (83:37)

Good for him. My stem cell spot in Tijuana, cpi, they're working on using stem cells to cure cancer. They're doing some crazy out there. Yes. CPI is doing some shit that you can't do in the United States legally. That's why they're in Mexico. You know, if they, if they could do what they're doing in the United States, there would be a CPI in every major city.

Dan Soder (84:00)

Well, let me tell you something. A big thing hasn't come up and there should be. We're talking about this yesterday, like right now. Peptides are an all time high. They're great people paying attention to them, people reading about them. But there's so many different peptides now. I'm 63 years old and last time I went to bring them, I went on that computer with the AI.

Eddie Bravo (84:17)

Oh, the alien.

Dan Soder (84:18)

I told the guy, I go, listen, I'm 63. I want to make my dick bigger and stronger than it's ever been. So he goes, you know the, the grandfather of that is this. And then there's peptides you can use. So I went back and I ordered one of the peptides we cooking. Not bueno, guys.

Brian Redban (84:38)

No, they're too hard. Too hard.

Dan Soder (84:39)

Because PT141 doesn't affect blood.

Joe Rogan (84:42)

PT141, what is that?

Dan Soder (84:44)

That's a peptide for your dick.

Eddie Bravo (84:46)

For blood flow.

Dan Soder (84:47)

For blood flow. It's been vectoring since 1970 for women and guys. But this is how crazy it's been around since the 1970. So why are you giving me Viagra? Why are you giving me Viagra if you know this is better for you gentlemen?

Joe Rogan (85:04)

It says it's for desire. Put that back up. It says, it says it's choose to treat generalized hypoactive sexual desire disorder in premenopausal women and off label for erectile dysfunction in men.

Eddie Bravo (85:19)

It didn't work for you, John.

Brian Redban (85:21)

72 hours.

Joe Rogan (85:22)

Listen, unlike ED pills that target blood flow, PT 141 acts on the central nervous system to increase sexual desire.

Brian Redban (85:30)

Dude, we got to get that.

Dan Soder (85:32)

Yeah, I wanted to a. That night. No, it didn't work out. Didn't work out for you?

Brian Redban (85:36)

PT141.

Dan Soder (85:38)

Let me just break it down for you.

Joe Rogan (85:40)

Please do.

Dan Soder (85:40)

Like I. I was always getting Viagra and one of you guys said it's for the heart. It used to be a heart medication. Then it became addictive.

Brian Redban (85:47)

Low blood blood pressure, something like that.

Dan Soder (85:48)

And that's why I took it. I took it the first time. It's okay. It's okay. This I just wanted to take on principle. I had mixed.

Joe Rogan (85:56)

Where do you get it?

Dan Soder (85:57)

Peptide store. You order it online, Even ways to

Joe Rogan (86:02)

go, straight from China.

Dan Soder (86:04)

But listen, the desire that you have is like how it causes. Because I did it. I was like, what the is this? So the. You shoot it through seven in your dick? No, you shoot it in your arm.

Joe Rogan (86:16)

Okay. At seven.

Dan Soder (86:17)

Or in your stomach.

Joe Rogan (86:18)

So you have to tell your wife, like, hey, hang on. You don't say, don't tell nobody.

Dan Soder (86:22)

You don't tell nobody. Nobody. You're at home, the kids are out. You just blast it in your stomach and you wait. Give it three hours.

Joe Rogan (86:29)

Three hours, Wait for it to kick in.

Brian Redban (86:31)

That's a long time.

Joe Rogan (86:31)

How long does it last?

Dan Soder (86:33)

72, 72 hours. So the weight is worth it. Because what happens is don't worry about the wait.

Joe Rogan (86:41)

So it's a horny peptide.

Dan Soder (86:43)

You're walking into three days of. Let me tell you what. So people, I'm older. So the first night, yeah, I got a little bit of a hard on. I looked at my wife. I'm like, no, it's too late.

Joe Rogan (86:53)

That's too late.

Dan Soder (86:57)

Yeah, it was like 11:30. She ain't in for that. She's watching Limey TV. And now I haven't given my wife a stab in the morning. So since I turned 50.

Joe Rogan (87:08)

Says it's a navel spray.

Dan Soder (87:09)

Yeah, they got a nasal one too.

Joe Rogan (87:12)

It'll go right in there. The response to the peptide is rapid listening, a penile reaction within minutes.

Dan Soder (87:18)

I told you, dog, that's. I never sprayed it. But now that I know, let's get

Brian Redban (87:22)

the spray on top.

Dan Soder (87:23)

I want. So the first night, yeah, it was okay. I didn't whack off or nothing. The next morning I got up and I couldn't pee because that was. Was out and about. He was like a marine going to Iran this. I couldn't even pee. And I. And I remember dipping my head and I go, honey, don't go downstairs yet. She's like, why I gotta drink coffee? No, I want to get you all surprised because I stopped giving the stabbings after 50. Because I don't like stabbings at night. I like them in the morning. Yeah, that's the best action. The monkeys fer awake thing, you're awake.

Brian Redban (87:55)

Boogers in your eyes, your eyes, you're

Dan Soder (87:57)

just eating monkey and dust is going

Joe Rogan (88:00)

all over the place.

Eddie Bravo (88:00)

But

Dan Soder (88:03)

dog, I stopped because when you turn over 50, they say that the best time to get a heart attack is between 6 in the morning and 12 at lunch. So I used to always give my wife like a stab in the morning. I felt a little weird, so I said it. I'll cut it down and just eat a monkey in the morning. But that felt a little weird, so I said it. I cut off sex in the morning

Joe Rogan (88:21)

because you're worried about getting a heart attack.

Dan Soder (88:22)

Yeah, but then I'm. But I'm at fucking. I'm at fucking jiu jitsu at nine, getting beat up by 20 year olds. I'm like, what's the difference? What's the difference? I'm doing hip escapes, I'm fucking dying here. So I said, fuck it, let me start giving her a stab in the morning. But I did it after the PT141. So usually give your wife or your lover a stabbing and your dick is like kind of weird. For a little while, this motherfucker was up at attention. By the time I was eating yogurt, I went to breakfast, I was looking at my dick again.

Joe Rogan (88:52)

It's ready to go.

Dan Soder (88:52)

And then I went out. And all day long it stays half cocked. Yeah, like three quarters hard. Like it's just ready to wind. Blow on it, dog.

Joe Rogan (89:03)

Here goes Michael. Come on.

Eddie Bravo (89:04)

MVP.

Dan Soder (89:05)

So yeah, it's about 48 hours of nothing but dick stick dick.

Brian Redban (89:10)

There needs to be a cartoon of that story.

Joe Rogan (89:13)

He's not in the mention at 170 for the title either. And this fight doesn't really get him there.

Eddie Bravo (89:18)

This does nothing for Him? No. So let's say he does some amazing knockout. Okay, guys, the guy's on ranked.

Joe Rogan (89:24)

The only person to beat him is Ian Gary. Right.

Eddie Bravo (89:26)

Correct by decision.

Joe Rogan (89:27)

And Jared Cannonier got on top of him at the end, but he was lighting Jared up.

Eddie Bravo (89:30)

But I think that's why the UFC brass started to go a little south on him, because he's had a bunch of decisions since he got to the ufc. And then the Kevin Holland fight was supposed to be fun. It wasn't. And then he fights dear Cannonier, and he's lighting him up, but he's messing around. And Daniel was like, buddy, you got the guy hurt.

Brian Redban (89:49)

Let's.

Eddie Bravo (89:49)

Let's go here. If he kept messing around, they got taken down. Jerry can there's tough. So I think, think since then, the UFC's got a little.

Dan Soder (89:56)

Yeah. Dreads. He looks like Milli Vanilli.

Joe Rogan (89:58)

Right.

Dan Soder (89:58)

He's up with a dance fun dude.

Brian Redban (90:01)

People forgot about Mill.

Eddie Bravo (90:02)

Have you had him in your documentary?

Joe Rogan (90:04)

Yeah, he was.

Brian Redban (90:04)

People forgot about him.

Joe Rogan (90:05)

He was a great guest. He's really fun, really smart guy.

Eddie Bravo (90:08)

Smart guy.

Joe Rogan (90:09)

And, you know, I always said for the longest time, that's the. The next thing that's going to emerge in mma, because those guys, I remember from my competition days when you would enter into those karate tournaments, those guys that were really good at that, it was a totally different game. Like even being in Taekwondo and you. But you're used to, like, continuous action.

Eddie Bravo (90:27)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (90:27)

These guys that know how to just like, get that first shot off and. And get out of the way quick, they were a problem. It's like, that's a very specific skill set. And if you could teach that skill set and then learn all the other stuff, you have that thing always. So the first strike, they have a giant advantage. They could do stuff that you don't anticipate because they can catch you from a distance where you can't close the distance, but he can. Easy.

Brian Redban (90:52)

You should learn that first. Right? You should. Like, if you were trying to create the ultimate MMA fighter in the. As a child, you throw them into Taekwondo and wrestling. Right? That's first.

Joe Rogan (91:01)

Wrestling.

Eddie Bravo (91:02)

Wrestling number one.

Joe Rogan (91:03)

I don't even know Taekwondo.

Brian Redban (91:04)

You got to get them on the spinny kicks because you can't nervous them later. You got to learn them early.

Joe Rogan (91:07)

Yeah, but you can learn those from karate, too. I feel like more karate guys have done way better, like, point karate guys than that wheel.

Brian Redban (91:16)

It's all about that wheel.

Eddie Bravo (91:17)

Yeah, but you.

Joe Rogan (91:17)

Those guys know wheel kicks. Like, it's not a kick that's like an elusive kick that no one knows how to throw.

Brian Redban (91:22)

No, but very.

Eddie Bravo (91:23)

It's.

Brian Redban (91:23)

They're very rarely thrown.

Joe Rogan (91:25)

It's true. But. But I think that the skill of being able to blitz is even better because they could do all the stuff that Taekwondo, the good ones, like Raymond Daniels, they do all the stuff the taekwondo guys do, but they have that additional ability to cover distance.

Brian Redban (91:38)

Isn't that Taekwondo, too?

Joe Rogan (91:39)

Not really. A little, but not like point karate. Point karate is the number one skill for covering distance with like a blitz.

Brian Redban (91:47)

It's like fencing.

Joe Rogan (91:48)

Yeah, man.

Brian Redban (91:49)

Bruce Lee was into fencing because of that.

Joe Rogan (91:51)

Do those guys, like when. When I used to go to those tournaments and watch, like, you know, everybody makes fun of Billy Blanks. Billy Blanks, back in the day was a wicked point fighter. A wicked, wicked point fighter. World champion point fighter. Yeah, he was good dude and he was super jacked and athletic and he was like, really good at covering discs.

Brian Redban (92:09)

Blah.

Joe Rogan (92:10)

They would just catch each other with back fists and punches from so far away and throw wild kicks from so far away.

Brian Redban (92:17)

Damn. I didn't know he was 38. Holy. He looks like he's 28.

Joe Rogan (92:20)

Yeah, he's in great shape.

Jamie Vernon (92:23)

Talking about Bobby or the other day when you saw him with, like, his knee surgeries.

Joe Rogan (92:26)

Yeah.

Jamie Vernon (92:26)

Was 38.

Brian Redban (92:27)

What?

Dan Soder (92:28)

Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (92:29)

Really? Say Bobby or.

Joe Rogan (92:30)

Oh, my God. I was going to tell you so when I was 19, he was 38.

Dan Soder (92:33)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (92:33)

Oh, my God, he couldn't even walk.

Jamie Vernon (92:35)

Yeah. Retired by 40 and like, done. I think maybe even retired at 30 or something.

Joe Rogan (92:41)

It was saying he was retired back then. I know he was retired.

Eddie Bravo (92:43)

You know, Michael Van Pap's doing a bunch of other too. Like, he has a restaurant. He has a restaurant in London. Yeah, he owns a restaurant. He has a bunch.

Joe Rogan (92:50)

He's got a podcast, right?

Eddie Bravo (92:51)

I don't think so.

Joe Rogan (92:52)

He doesn't.

Eddie Bravo (92:52)

I don't think he's a movie. Movies.

Joe Rogan (92:55)

He should be.

Eddie Bravo (92:55)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (92:57)

He's such an entertaining and fun guy.

Eddie Bravo (92:59)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (92:59)

And a really nice guy, too. Like, super nice. He's like. There. Here it is. So this is Billy Blanks in the early karate fights. Billy Blanks is on the right.

Brian Redban (93:09)

They could punch the face.

Joe Rogan (93:10)

They could nose. It depends on which tournament you're supposed to, like, pull your punches in some of them. So this was the early days, before they even wore the pads. But those guys eventually started wearing those foam boots on and, you know. So this is like real early. This looks like the 70s or something.

Eddie Bravo (93:25)

This is old school.

Joe Rogan (93:26)

Does it say what year this is?

Jamie Vernon (93:28)

This Is like a whole, like, long documentary.

Joe Rogan (93:31)

Oh, Eddie.

Brian Redban (93:33)

Back.

Joe Rogan (93:33)

You can find more modern ones.

Eddie Bravo (93:34)

Back to your mysterious death.

Joe Rogan (93:36)

Here it is, like, there, like, here it is. These. These ones. So these ones are some of the. The bigger karate tournaments. They had a lot of these. And these guys would fight like this.

Brian Redban (93:45)

He's got a little cape on.

Joe Rogan (93:46)

They had weird outfits. They all got very flamboyant.

Jamie Vernon (93:50)

Fight starts right now.

Joe Rogan (93:51)

Oh, here we go. Mvp. Fight start.

Eddie Bravo (93:52)

Mvp.

Joe Rogan (93:53)

Let's go.

Eddie Bravo (93:53)

Oh, I'm rooting for him, man.

Brian Redban (93:58)

Who's the white guy?

Eddie Bravo (93:59)

He's this training partner, but he's happy. Four finishes in a row. Yeah. This is train partner, and he's better on the ground.

Brian Redban (94:04)

And he.

Eddie Bravo (94:04)

He's really good at darces and anacondas. Okay. They said he would get him on

Joe Rogan (94:09)

MVP, and he was at 155 for a while. Right. Which is crazy. Look how tall he is. Kill themselves, man. The weight cutting in MMA is just so nutty. If they had an Atom weight, Yoel Romero would try to make it. You know, someone. Someone crazy. Someone crazy would try to make Adam wait, not Yoel, but you know what I'm saying? Like, someone who just cuts crazy weight.

Eddie Bravo (94:32)

What's weird is, even though they've trained together, I. I doubt Michael Venom Page moves exactly like this in training.

Dan Soder (94:39)

Right.

Joe Rogan (94:39)

He doesn't try to really. No. He's like.

Eddie Bravo (94:40)

He showboats. He does his thing. He's such an entertainer, man.

Joe Rogan (94:44)

But it does help a lot. If you've already sparred with this guy, huge advantage now.

Brian Redban (94:48)

Is it possible that there'd be a Michael Venom Page versus Israel Dasanya?

Joe Rogan (94:54)

It's possible, sure.

Brian Redban (94:56)

That the same weight category.

Eddie Bravo (94:57)

Yeah, he'll. Because he'll. He'll fight at 170 and 85.

Joe Rogan (95:00)

Yeah, he can.

Brian Redban (95:02)

They would fight each other. They're not buddies.

Joe Rogan (95:04)

Buddies.

Eddie Bravo (95:04)

They're buddies.

Brian Redban (95:04)

Other buddies.

Eddie Bravo (95:05)

Other buddies. But so are these guys. UFC don't give a.

Brian Redban (95:09)

That would be crazy, dude.

Joe Rogan (95:11)

Yeah, it would be a great.

Brian Redban (95:13)

Is he in this?

Joe Rogan (95:14)

But is he. Joe Piper's crazy.

Eddie Bravo (95:17)

That's a crazy.

Joe Rogan (95:18)

Joe Piper's terrifying because they're basically, like, super similar.

Brian Redban (95:22)

Right?

Joe Rogan (95:22)

I mean, Joe Piper hits you like he's trying to kill you, like he's trying to. Look, he's trying to kill you. It's very different.

Brian Redban (95:30)

Every shot.

Eddie Bravo (95:31)

Head hunting. He just needs to mix it up more, especially against a guy like Izzy. Like, he can smell a huge overhand.

Joe Rogan (95:37)

He was going for the big shots in the Kelvin Gaslin fight, right? Because he. He had him really badly hurt. In that first round. But damn, dude, when that guy hits

Eddie Bravo (95:44)

people, it's a problem.

Joe Rogan (95:46)

Yeah, he's a real problem.

Brian Redban (95:48)

It's cool. That Michael Venom page has a Venom on the back of his short. It's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan (95:55)

Coincidence, right?

Eddie Bravo (95:57)

I forgot. Venom's still on.

Joe Rogan (95:58)

Yeah. Venom fight gear.

Eddie Bravo (96:00)

Yep. French company.

Joe Rogan (96:06)

Yeah. This dude knows how to fight him, I'll tell you that.

Eddie Bravo (96:08)

Yeah. But the issue is, since he's used to it, he's not engaging. So you usually don't get a really. Well, they're kind of throwing there. Well, you don't get a super entertaining fight.

Joe Rogan (96:16)

He's probably gonna look for a take.

Brian Redban (96:18)

Can he do this style, Joe? Can he do this style and keep his hands on up to. Or do. Is it it. Is it necessary to keep it down?

Eddie Bravo (96:24)

It's a big part of it. Speed comes from.

Joe Rogan (96:26)

It's a big part of it because you don't know where the shots are coming from. He throws overhands, he throws uppercuts from his hip.

Eddie Bravo (96:32)

So it's part of it.

Brian Redban (96:33)

If he had his hands up, it wouldn't work.

Eddie Bravo (96:35)

He wouldn't move as well. Really cover ground as well.

Joe Rogan (96:38)

You the arms. Swinging the arms back and forth helps you move around as well. It's a big part. It's like running. If you had to run with your arms like this, you would not be able to run as fast.

Brian Redban (96:47)

Okay.

Eddie Bravo (96:47)

But boy, boy, you better be good at it.

Brian Redban (96:49)

Otherwise you're leaving your jaw wide open.

Eddie Bravo (96:52)

Yeah, but he's very evasive. Like, no one really lands shots on him.

Joe Rogan (96:56)

So they were talking about Douglas Lima and Luke Rockhold. That was the fight that was proposed.

Eddie Bravo (97:00)

Yeah. An mvp.

Joe Rogan (97:01)

That's interesting. Douglas, Liam is another one that people forgot about. I think there was a time where he was arguably, like, the second best welterweight on the planet. You couldn't say he was the best until he fought in the ufc, but he was ultra impressive for a while. He was a lot of it.

Eddie Bravo (97:17)

It's just tough with those Bellator guys.

Joe Rogan (97:19)

It's hard, it's tough. You don't really know until they come over.

Eddie Bravo (97:21)

Look at Patchy mix monster.

Brian Redban (97:23)

What about A.J. mcKee? What about him?

Eddie Bravo (97:25)

He's good.

Brian Redban (97:26)

Very good, dude. He's the only guy in MMA history to have a hundred percent choke.

Eddie Bravo (97:31)

Yeah, he was good.

Brian Redban (97:32)

You know the 100. I don't know if you know that. He taps people with that. Yeah, that's one of my go to moves.

Eddie Bravo (97:37)

His son's.

Brian Redban (97:38)

Really? Nobody knows that. Nobody does it. But A.J. mcKee, he gets you 100%. Full guard. The fight is over. It's over.

Joe Rogan (97:47)

There's a lot of elite talent that didn't get their shot on the big stage.

Eddie Bravo (97:52)

Well, think about Patricio Pitbull. Like, by the time he comes, you're getting a certain version of him, right?

Joe Rogan (97:57)

He was like 36.

Eddie Bravo (97:58)

Yeah. Up.

Brian Redban (97:59)

You don't think A.J. mcKee could eventually end up in the UFC or.

Joe Rogan (98:02)

It's. Well, how old does he know? 32, 33.

Brian Redban (98:05)

Ain't that old.

Joe Rogan (98:06)

30. He's only 30. Yeah, he definitely could.

Eddie Bravo (98:11)

Yeah. He's gonna have to get going fast. He was locked up.

Brian Redban (98:14)

He was locked up in Bellator then. Now he's pfl.

Joe Rogan (98:16)

But the thing is, PFL wants to keep those talented guys, and they. They're giving them a lot of money, man. I don't know what they're giving them these days. They don't. But if you win that tournament, you get a million dollars. Like Olivier Albon Mercier won a million dollars fighting over there after the UFC let him go. That's nuts.

Eddie Bravo (98:33)

Is it nuts?

Joe Rogan (98:34)

It is.

Eddie Bravo (98:35)

They should be getting paid more than that.

Dan Soder (98:36)

Well, the do something here. Who wins this round?

Eddie Bravo (98:43)

No, you know each other.

Joe Rogan (98:44)

No one wins.

Eddie Bravo (98:45)

This is the problem.

Dan Soder (98:47)

Why Dana White gets pissed off. Well, you want to go in there and battle? What the.

Brian Redban (98:51)

How much are we gonna weigh?

Eddie Bravo (98:52)

You don't make this matchup.

Joe Rogan (98:55)

That was a. That wasn't anywhere near landing that wheel.

Eddie Bravo (98:59)

No, slow back.

Brian Redban (99:00)

This one dude, he went, dude, Joe, he threw a backfist like this. You never see it. He was like. Like this. And then went like this.

Eddie Bravo (99:07)

Boom.

Joe Rogan (99:07)

Yeah, he does.

Brian Redban (99:07)

Well, you never see that.

Eddie Bravo (99:08)

No, he does. Watch it, dude.

Brian Redban (99:09)

There was one guy. Remember Daryl Goler? Yeah, Daryl Goler. Do you remember Daryl Goler? High level wrestler, went to Brazil to teach all the Brazilians wrestling. He's a black dude from Detroit or something. What? Go Moves to Brazil to teach wrestling in Brazil. And his fighting style, dude, he would throw back fist off his jab. He. Darrell, go. He would throw a jab and then back fist.

Joe Rogan (99:33)

He'd go.

Brian Redban (99:36)

That was his style. Jab, back fist.

Joe Rogan (99:39)

Nobody else. Don't you remember when. When Dan Henderson knocked out Hector Lombard? He hit him with a back fist, didn't he? Or a back elbow. Back elbow, back elbow. Standing.

Eddie Bravo (99:50)

Yep,

Joe Rogan (99:53)

like that. And dropped him.

Brian Redban (99:55)

Remember Tony Ferguson throws two spinning elbows in a row? Yeah, he threw one. And then he goes, you know, I throw another one. No one's ever done that.

Eddie Bravo (100:05)

He's killing that misfits, though.

Joe Rogan (100:07)

In his prime, he was A dude.

Eddie Bravo (100:10)

Oh, bro, before he, like, blew his knee out doing that fox thing. Him and Khabib flip a coin. Who's better? I couldn't tell.

Joe Rogan (100:17)

Very, very.

Brian Redban (100:18)

That was huge, dude. That Tony Ferguson versus Khabib. That was like.

Joe Rogan (100:22)

What was that, 2000 page just landed right now. Three times.

Dan Soder (100:25)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (100:27)

Paige is on the gas now. Now it's just landed a right hand on this.

Dan Soder (100:30)

He's like, what am I doing with this barber?

Joe Rogan (100:31)

Well, he knows he can't deal with the booze. He's in. You know, he's in London. He can't be losing in London, and he can't have a boring fight in London. He's got to get something.

Dan Soder (100:40)

No, come on.

Brian Redban (100:41)

He definitely has an afterparty, and you got to have. Yeah, you can't be talking about at the after party.

Eddie Bravo (100:46)

I think this is last fight in the contract, too.

Joe Rogan (100:47)

Well, if he stops this dude, everybody forgets about that first round. If he doesn't, that. That becomes a real problem when he is negotiating.

Brian Redban (100:55)

Is this round two or three?

Joe Rogan (100:56)

Two.

Eddie Bravo (100:57)

Over to mvp.

Joe Rogan (100:58)

Big dog. It is interesting. It's like there is a difference. Once a guy knows that style, because Patterson's not been in real trouble, and everybody else is in trouble. Everybody that fights him gets lit up on the outside. Look what he did to Jared Cannoneer. Who's a beast. Look what he did, everybody. Yeah. Kevin Holland couldn't.

Eddie Bravo (101:17)

Because, again, there's no way to mimic the styles. The first time you see it is in here in Bruce Buffer's stand next right.

Joe Rogan (101:23)

But this kid. Oh, he almost this kid.

Eddie Bravo (101:25)

This kid had a hundred rounds of them.

Joe Rogan (101:27)

Yeah, this kid's been in there with him a lot.

Eddie Bravo (101:29)

They brought him in for Sharapova. They brought him in for Kevin Holland. Oh.

Dan Soder (101:35)

Oh, damn, that was nice.

Joe Rogan (101:38)

That was so slick.

Brian Redban (101:40)

Yeah, that was like.

Joe Rogan (101:41)

He does some slick.

Brian Redban (101:42)

That was gangster.

Joe Rogan (101:42)

You see that one fight that he had where he threw a spitting 360 roundhouse kick, kicked the dude in the face, knocked him out, and then just stood there with his back.

Eddie Bravo (101:49)

Yeah, it was dope. Remember. Remember when he did the cyborg? The flying knee caved in his skull.

Joe Rogan (101:55)

Worst knockout of all time ever. Of all time ever. You can't get a worse knockout. He literally caved his skull.

Eddie Bravo (102:01)

You have to have brain surgery, Brendan.

Joe Rogan (102:03)

Probably never be the same again.

Eddie Bravo (102:04)

Like, I don't think you ever thought again.

Brian Redban (102:06)

What is your technique? And remembering all this, you do, you, like, spend. I'm gonna spend one hour.

Eddie Bravo (102:13)

It's just what I'm in.

Brian Redban (102:15)

But what time Is like, how do you know all these fights?

Eddie Bravo (102:18)

It's just what I mean, like, you're into this Cleveland Browns. It's just what I'm into.

Joe Rogan (102:21)

Jiu jitsu. You could talk about combat matches and jiu jitsu.

Brian Redban (102:26)

That's it.

Eddie Bravo (102:27)

My thing is, like, you know, when, when.

Brian Redban (102:29)

What is your system? Like, in the morning, you wake up and you watch it.

Eddie Bravo (102:32)

In the morning.

Brian Redban (102:33)

In the morning you watch old UFC fights.

Eddie Bravo (102:35)

I'll either watch them or I listen to other podcasts.

Brian Redban (102:38)

How do you decide which fights you're going to review?

Eddie Bravo (102:41)

Usually the main. The main. The big dogs. The main ones.

Dan Soder (102:44)

Well, review this one. All right, Watch going on here.

Eddie Bravo (102:48)

Jo, I told you.

Brian Redban (102:49)

I told you. Bre.

Joe Rogan (102:52)

Stuff is not happening right here. Like throwing punches at like, me and

Eddie Bravo (102:56)

Arloski is the worst heavyweight fight of all time. Nobody won.

Brian Redban (102:59)

You have an MMA show, right?

Joe Rogan (103:02)

It's interesting that they didn't think of this when they booked this fight. You know, they didn't think these guys are training partners. This might be a stinker.

Brian Redban (103:09)

Exactly. That's what I would think.

Joe Rogan (103:10)

Call.

Brian Redban (103:11)

Call me.

Eddie Bravo (103:12)

Maybe I can't do that.

Joe Rogan (103:13)

Maybe it's like you can't get anybody to fight Venom Page in London. That might be a problem too. It might have been. A bunch of dudes said no, and Patterson was like, let's go.

Eddie Bravo (103:23)

He said at 170 and 1185 and they just weren't giving anything.

Brian Redban (103:27)

Has Venom fought Dagestani type dude?

Joe Rogan (103:32)

Oh, no.

Eddie Bravo (103:33)

Like wrestling?

Joe Rogan (103:33)

No, no, no, no.

Eddie Bravo (103:35)

That's not fun.

Joe Rogan (103:36)

That's the big criticism.

Brian Redban (103:37)

No, that, that's. That's the matchup right there.

Joe Rogan (103:39)

Him and Amzot. That'll be nuts.

Brian Redban (103:41)

Is he 185?

Joe Rogan (103:42)

He fights it.

Eddie Bravo (103:43)

He can fight.

Brian Redban (103:44)

Is this 195 right now?

Joe Rogan (103:45)

No, this one's 170.

Eddie Bravo (103:46)

I'll tell you what I can't wait for is Hamza vs Strickland. In New Jersey.

Joe Rogan (103:54)

In New Jersey, yeah.

Brian Redban (103:57)

Damn.

Eddie Bravo (103:57)

That's a.

Brian Redban (103:59)

That's, that's a Super bowl right there, dude.

Eddie Bravo (104:01)

The press conferences, bro. So you know how the UFC makes them do like Paramount makes them do, face off like three times before the fight. They fly in on Tuesday day, they have them face off with the lights. You can't do that with those.

Brian Redban (104:11)

Imagine the.

Eddie Bravo (104:13)

And Paramount, you know, they're in suits. Like, I don't see why not. It's like, well, cuz they're going to kill each other.

Joe Rogan (104:17)

Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (104:18)

You can't do that. He called him a terrorist. You can't. We can't have.

Joe Rogan (104:20)

You called him a goat. Yeah.

Dan Soder (104:22)

Damn.

Eddie Bravo (104:23)

Can't have it.

Brian Redban (104:24)

Damn.

Eddie Bravo (104:24)

Can't have it.

Joe Rogan (104:27)

How good did he look against Fluffy before that fight?

Eddie Bravo (104:30)

I'm like, man, Strickland will probably get up by Hamzot out. Then I. The shape I saw him in, I was like, he looks great.

Joe Rogan (104:39)

Yeah, he looks tremendous. Oh, that was a good right hand. That was a good right hand. Finally, finally. But you can't have like one punch in a two round fight.

Dan Soder (104:47)

He got.

Eddie Bravo (104:48)

He's got two or three of them training partners, man.

Joe Rogan (104:50)

I know.

Eddie Bravo (104:51)

And Joe, that the mystery of that fight is Strickland's going to get taken down. That's going to happen. He'll get taken down. But he's so well versed on getting up and his cardio that third, fourth and fifth round once. If he keeps getting up, defend the submissions, that's when he gets interested.

Joe Rogan (105:07)

He's also so hard to hit. He's so hard to hit. He does so many sneaky things on the feet that people don't see coming.

Eddie Bravo (105:13)

Keeps coming, keeps coming.

Brian Redban (105:14)

Yeah. No way Cosmod's gonna stand with him. He's gonna try to take him down.

Dan Soder (105:18)

No way.

Joe Rogan (105:18)

Keeping you. Hamza can strike too, though. Did you see the video of Khamzat striking with Khalil?

Brian Redban (105:24)

But you think that's the best strategy for Khamai? No way.

Joe Rogan (105:27)

No, the best.

Brian Redban (105:28)

Strickland could drag him. He's got great striking. Why, why would you take a chance?

Joe Rogan (105:33)

The only thing that would make sense is if he wanted to make up for the last fight where a lot of people thought it was boring when he won against Trickers because he didn't

Eddie Bravo (105:41)

look for a finish.

Joe Rogan (105:41)

So he just comes out and tries to.

Brian Redban (105:43)

Dude, if he tries to stand with Strickland, dude, he's.

Eddie Bravo (105:45)

But here's why he can try to stand with Strickland because he's not a knockout artist. Like, he's a volume puncher, like a Nate Diaz. He's. It's a lot of volume. Volume. So even if you do stand with him and you get pieced up, he's not really going to knock you out.

Brian Redban (105:56)

And we really don't know how.

Joe Rogan (105:58)

One shot.

Brian Redban (105:59)

We really don't know how com Chin is, right? He's never is like, we don't know.

Eddie Bravo (106:03)

He went toe to toe with, I mean, smaller guy. But Gilbert Burns, right? He traded shots with him.

Joe Rogan (106:07)

Gilbert dropped him.

Eddie Bravo (106:08)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (106:11)

Dude, he never fought like that.

Brian Redban (106:12)

He's gonna try to take Strickland down a hundred percent of the time. No way he's gonna.

Joe Rogan (106:19)

No.

Brian Redban (106:19)

No way.

Dan Soder (106:21)

The barber's gonna take him out right here. Watch round three.

Joe Rogan (106:24)

Well, we've had two stinker rounds. I wonder what the fight the point count is of, like, how many strikes have been landed.

Eddie Bravo (106:30)

But I, I figured out from MVP

Brian Redban (106:32)

three significant strikes for Venom and two for the white dude.

Joe Rogan (106:36)

This is a guy who is an expert at fighting the style. It's really kind of interesting. He's so good at his distance management. He knows what Michael K could do.

Brian Redban (106:45)

See that flying?

Eddie Bravo (106:46)

His best tool is the element of surprise. And they take it from him.

Brian Redban (106:49)

Yeah, he threw a flying wing chun kick.

Dan Soder (106:51)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (106:51)

They took his best skill.

Eddie Bravo (106:53)

It's just not selling a guy up for success. That's my issue with it. Oh, and MVP's a bonafide star, man.

Joe Rogan (106:58)

I know. And meanwhile, this looks kind of shitty.

Brian Redban (107:03)

I wonder what Venom's Jiu Jitsu looks like.

Joe Rogan (107:06)

He's tapped people before. Didn't he get somebody in necklock?

Brian Redban (107:09)

Yeah,

Eddie Bravo (107:12)

I mean, that's all I remember.

Joe Rogan (107:13)

I'm sure he could do everything. I mean, I don't think he's got holes in his game.

Eddie Bravo (107:16)

He's not gonna win.

Joe Rogan (107:17)

It's just like it's never going to

Eddie Bravo (107:19)

be as good as his stand up worlds.

Joe Rogan (107:21)

But yeah, his stand up though is just so weird. It's like most people can't do. Yeah, most people can't do anything with it. No, like, Kevin Holland was like, befuddled. He's like, what the do you want me to do? I can't even hit this guy.

Eddie Bravo (107:33)

Nothing.

Joe Rogan (107:33)

He couldn't even come close. He's just throwing it, trying to take him down. I mean, couldn't get close. I mean, he never.

Eddie Bravo (107:39)

He's really tough to take down.

Joe Rogan (107:40)

My Michael Venom just controlled that fight. He just controlled every aspect of that fight.

Brian Redban (107:45)

Was that before or after the Thompson fight?

Joe Rogan (107:48)

It's a good question. After. After the Thompson fight? Yeah, after. After. So he fought two dudes that are impossible. But the thing, the crazy thing is like, he might have been able to take Wonder Boy down. Wonder Boy, you know, he's been taken down before. He's got good takedown defense. But you didn't even try making an agreement where you're not even going to try.

Eddie Bravo (108:08)

Wild.

Brian Redban (108:09)

Who beat Stephen Thompson, like, decisively?

Joe Rogan (108:11)

Is there someone that Matt the Immortal Brown did. He was the first guy too.

Brian Redban (108:14)

How did he beat him to the

Joe Rogan (108:16)

ground and beat the out of him?

Dan Soder (108:17)

Matt War.

Joe Rogan (108:19)

That was the early days when podcast. That's a beast. Yeah, he stopped.

Brian Redban (108:24)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (108:24)

He's great stuff. Fighting Matt was a animal in his prime. And that was the first defeat that Thompson had. And like he just couldn't deal with the full rounded skill set and the pressure non stop.

Eddie Bravo (108:35)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (108:35)

Veteran pressure. And just like he could fight on the ground too.

Eddie Bravo (108:39)

And then Woodley beat Thompson two times. Yeah. But it was super boring.

Joe Rogan (108:43)

Super boring. But Woodley fought him the right way. Yeah, just like he's fighting him. Don't engage. Don't just run into the wood chipper. Stay on the outside. And Woodley hurt him.

Eddie Bravo (108:52)

That's right.

Joe Rogan (108:53)

A couple times.

Eddie Bravo (108:54)

Right.

Joe Rogan (108:54)

Bad. Oh, it was a draw. One of them. Oh, oh. So he beat him in the second fight. Oh, that's right. It was a draw. And Woodley retained his title. I remember that. That's right, bro. He was a bad. How about when he beat up Johnny Hendrick?

Brian Redban (109:11)

What happened to him?

Joe Rogan (109:12)

Holy Hendricks nowad.

Brian Redban (109:14)

He's a cop dude. How about those, those epic matches, wasn't it with like GSP is like Johnny, he. Hendricks and gsp. That was like Super Bowl.

Eddie Bravo (109:25)

Super Bowl.

Joe Rogan (109:26)

Yeah. I thought he could have won that decision at the time. I haven't rewatched it, but at the time I was like, man, for sure, that could have been Johnny. But I'll tell you what, Matt, that guy used to put people to sleep. John Fitch, Martin Campman, Remember those guys? He sent those guys in the air. Yeah, he sent them in the air.

Eddie Bravo (109:43)

Yeah. And then it all went away.

Joe Rogan (109:46)

Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (109:47)

He's a cop now. And you know who else is a cop? Anderson Silva.

Dan Soder (109:50)

I know.

Eddie Bravo (109:50)

No way. You imagine what the

Brian Redban (109:57)

Florida.

Eddie Bravo (109:57)

That's right.

Brian Redban (109:58)

Anderson Silva's a cop.

Eddie Bravo (109:59)

Yeah. Go speed in Beverly Hills 100. Yeah.

Brian Redban (110:02)

He's like driving around in a car. It's not like an honorary.

Eddie Bravo (110:06)

It's a good place to do it in Beverly Hills.

Brian Redban (110:08)

Yeah, there's. You don't have to do.

Eddie Bravo (110:10)

You're not like sleep all South Central, bro.

Joe Rogan (110:12)

This might be the least action of any fight ever. Next to Derrick Lewis and Francis Ngannou. Right. I could have.

Eddie Bravo (110:19)

I told you guys, it's two well known training partners.

Joe Rogan (110:23)

I'll tell you what, man, props to Patterson because he's the first dude that Venom Page has fought that doesn't look like he doesn't belong in there.

Eddie Bravo (110:30)

You know, other than Ian Garo.

Joe Rogan (110:33)

Ian's a bad dude. He figured it out, you know, he figured out that style. Just grab a hold of him, drag him to the ground, beat him there, stand it up with him.

Eddie Bravo (110:42)

I'm pretty sure they announced Ian versus Islam.

Joe Rogan (110:46)

I like that.

Eddie Bravo (110:46)

Confirm that jam. I get my facts.

Joe Rogan (110:48)

I like that a lot. If that's real, I like Pretty sure that's real. I like that a lot. That's a very good pretty sure.

Eddie Bravo (110:53)

I saw a pretty cool poster. It's just like Khabib and Connor 23

Jamie Vernon (110:55)

hours ago, still waiting for the call from the UFC.

Eddie Bravo (110:58)

That's the end. But Islam posted a picture, though. Like Islam, I think leaked it.

Jamie Vernon (111:02)

Standing outside of a phone booth waiting for the call.

Joe Rogan (111:06)

Imagine if Michael Venom Page loses this fight.

Dan Soder (111:10)

No, he's not going to lose it.

Joe Rogan (111:11)

Well, listen, all this guys do is land four punches and it's the most anybody's ever landed.

Eddie Bravo (111:15)

And he's controlling against the the cage.

Joe Rogan (111:17)

I don't think he's going to win.

Brian Redban (111:18)

I think that even if there's no significant damage between both of them, they're just going to give it to Venom.

Joe Rogan (111:24)

Oh, this is crazy bad. That's a crazy bad fight.

Brian Redban (111:28)

Is that it? It's over.

Joe Rogan (111:29)

That's it.

Eddie Bravo (111:30)

And that's not on Michael Venom, Page or Sam.

Dan Soder (111:32)

That.

Eddie Bravo (111:32)

That's on the match break Lakers.

Joe Rogan (111:34)

That's a crazy matchup.

Eddie Bravo (111:35)

Call your boy.

Joe Rogan (111:36)

It's literally the last guy you want to fight. A style like that, someone who understands it, it's the last thing you think was gonna happen. Don't you want excitement?

Eddie Bravo (111:43)

You think they're gonna go for broke? They know each other.

Joe Rogan (111:45)

Don't you want as real as. Don't you want just bleed?

Brian Redban (111:50)

What if the guy in the Paramount brainstorming room's like, how about we make friends fight? Yeah, that'll be great.

Joe Rogan (112:00)

That's hilarious. I bet it was one of the things where there's not a lot of guys lining up to take that fight because he makes you look so stupid. But this dude is like, I've been in there with him a hundred rounds. I know how to fight it.

Brian Redban (112:12)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (112:13)

Big advantage, man. Knowing what that distance is, I just

Eddie Bravo (112:18)

have a hard time believing that, like, those in the top 10 in the 185 and 170 are dogs.

Dan Soder (112:23)

They are.

Eddie Bravo (112:25)

Especially if they can grapple. They don't want to do it.

Joe Rogan (112:27)

But. But look, the.

Eddie Bravo (112:28)

The.

Joe Rogan (112:28)

The line to the top is very short right now.

Eddie Bravo (112:30)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (112:31)

Right. And so, like, nobody wants to slip and start from scratch again, maybe. And there's not even like, look at Imam off. Everybody thought he was going to get a title shot. Right? But look, but. But the last time he fought Strickland, Strickland him up. Yeah. Right. So you have to. But Imov's a beast, too.

Eddie Bravo (112:48)

But Strickland also beat him up on short notice.

Brian Redban (112:50)

Okay, what's going on with the.

Eddie Bravo (112:51)

The.

Brian Redban (112:51)

The Dagestani Russian guy, kind of red hair, beard, one his eyes up or something?

Joe Rogan (112:58)

Yeah, he's got one.

Eddie Bravo (112:59)

Can't fight in America because he can't pass commission here.

Brian Redban (113:02)

What's up with him? Cuz that guy is good as.

Joe Rogan (113:04)

Yeah, he's real good. Yeah.

Brian Redban (113:05)

What's he.

Joe Rogan (113:06)

What's he doing? Venom page him up. Really?

Dan Soder (113:09)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (113:09)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (113:09)

Damn, I missed that one.

Eddie Bravo (113:11)

And then he got. He got wrestled by Armin Tsurukian. They did a grappling match.

Joe Rogan (113:17)

What if they call this a draw and they say we all love lost.

Eddie Bravo (113:20)

And then apologize to us.

Joe Rogan (113:22)

Ladies and gentlemen, there is no winner. We all Michael Venom Page. Hell yeah.

Eddie Bravo (113:28)

That does nothing for him.

Joe Rogan (113:29)

Yeah, nothing.

Eddie Bravo (113:30)

It does nothing.

Joe Rogan (113:30)

I think it's bad for him.

Eddie Bravo (113:31)

100%.

Joe Rogan (113:32)

Yeah, it's not good.

Eddie Bravo (113:33)

Now you're damaged goods. Now you're going into your contract.

Brian Redban (113:36)

I told you I wasn't going to.

Joe Rogan (113:38)

Also, here's the problem. Now people know how to fight him. People going to watch that and go, oh, just don't engage. Make him engage.

Brian Redban (113:44)

Maybe he didn't want the fight. And say, you know what? They're going to make me take this fight and we're just going to play and I'm not going to hurt them. Maybe.

Joe Rogan (113:51)

Look at.

Brian Redban (113:51)

They're hugging.

Joe Rogan (113:52)

That dude was like.

Brian Redban (113:53)

I told. I had told you I was going to hit you.

Joe Rogan (113:55)

The guy is good. He's good. Oh, Sam's very, very good.

Eddie Bravo (113:59)

He's coming out. Four wins, four t. So Riley's a big deal out there. He's a beast.

Joe Rogan (114:04)

Yeah, he is. It's a big problem. It's a hard fight to. It's a hard fight.

Eddie Bravo (114:08)

It's an awkward fight.

Brian Redban (114:09)

The last two fights.

Eddie Bravo (114:10)

Yes, to the filming event.

Brian Redban (114:12)

Okay, tell me about him. I don't know that. I don't know anything about.

Joe Rogan (114:18)

He's that Loner Kavanaugh kid, that flyweight kid.

Eddie Bravo (114:22)

Oh, yes.

Joe Rogan (114:24)

Do you know what's nuts? Charles Johnson has knocked out two of the best flyweights out there. Joshua Van and Loner Cav.

Eddie Bravo (114:32)

You know what else is nuts? Why he doesn't just shave his hair off.

Joe Rogan (114:34)

He likes it because you remember it. You remember he's got this crazy hair in the back, but all shaved in the top.

Eddie Bravo (114:41)

Oh, I don't think it's shaved like this. I think Jesus is a barber. Jesus.

Joe Rogan (114:46)

Yeah. But the back of his big old puff of hair. I'll tell you man, this kid in

Eddie Bravo (114:51)

Cage War is a. He's like the next big thing out of here.

Joe Rogan (114:54)

Yeah, he's very good.

Eddie Bravo (114:55)

So Patty came from cage warriors. Conor McGregor came from Cage Warriors. Like, Cage warriors is like the out there, Dude.

Brian Redban (115:01)

I went to Cage warriors, like, in 2004. I did a seminar out there, and awesome promotion, man.

Joe Rogan (115:09)

There's so many good fighters.

Brian Redban (115:11)

I swear to God, dude, I was. I was.

Dan Soder (115:12)

Jamie.

Brian Redban (115:13)

So after the seminar, they go, dude, there's a cage. They time my seminar for a Cage Warrior. So I go with a bunch of. A bunch of dudes from the seminar. And we're watching these fights and there's a. But there's a lot of, like, Middle East Eastern people there. A lot, a lot. So I. I go out in the cage and they want to ask me a question because how was your flight over to the uk? And I said, there was an Asian guy to me. An Asian guy is from China.

Joe Rogan (115:42)

Yeah.

Brian Redban (115:43)

He was sitting next to me on the flight over, and he. And he. I think he. He stunk or he farted. I forget. But they go, how was your flight over here to the uk? And I go, I was next to an Asian guy and he stank. And in uk, Asians are Muslims.

Joe Rogan (116:00)

Well, it's Pakistanis, dude. Yeah, people. Actual Asians, dude.

Brian Redban (116:04)

People. There was almost a riot. This is like 2004. Everyone exploded. And they started throwing bottles in the. I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. I meant Asian, like, Chinese. I didn't mean, like, you guys. And they freaked the out. Luckily, I was there with, like, 20 Jiu Jitsu guys from the seminar. I would have been dead.

Eddie Bravo (116:24)

Like, Cage Warrior. Ksw. Like Ryzen.

Brian Redban (116:27)

That's. It was like, almost right, Dude. They were throwing at me, and I didn't give a. I was, like, drunk. I was, like, flipping them off. I'm like, you guys, I was an idiot.

Eddie Bravo (116:35)

That's where all the towns, like, 20

Joe Rogan (116:36)

years, Cage warriors has some elite talent, you know? You know, Patty McGregor came over, too. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (116:41)

And Patty was making more money doing Cage warriors than he was in the ufc.

Brian Redban (116:46)

What?

Eddie Bravo (116:46)

That's why he. I met him in San Diego and I was talking to his manager who runs Cage warriors, and like, yeah, he took a pay cut to come to the ufc.

Joe Rogan (116:54)

That's crazy. For his first fight.

Eddie Bravo (116:56)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (116:57)

Well, eventually he started making money. How much was he making, in case?

Eddie Bravo (117:01)

Tons, because he. He was the biggest draw and he was selling out, like, Liverpool's, like, state arenas. He was the main draw. So his. His. His manager wanted to go to the UFC like, two years prior. And he's like, no way. Why am I gonna take a pay cut? So he's like, dude, to. To be considered the best, even though it's a pay cut, you got to come over to the ufc.

Joe Rogan (117:18)

Do you feel like he got rushed into with a guy like Gaichi, that he should have had, like, a few more?

Eddie Bravo (117:23)

I don't know what the game plan was. Like, if you and I were talking, you were like, let's say off area. Like, I got some inside info, right? Patty's just gonna strike with Justin. I'm like, oh, you're out of your mind, dude.

Joe Rogan (117:33)

He's gonna lose.

Eddie Bravo (117:34)

So I don't know what the game plan was.

Joe Rogan (117:37)

That's a good question.

Eddie Bravo (117:37)

But again, it could be too much too soon. You know?

Joe Rogan (117:40)

I think it is. Gaethje's a monster on the feet. He's a real problem.

Eddie Bravo (117:43)

He's also All American wrestler. Like, I know. He also doesn't do takedowns.

Joe Rogan (117:49)

He beat up Physiev standing up.

Eddie Bravo (117:50)

Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan (117:51)

You know, Fazeeves wicked, but he could strike.

Eddie Bravo (117:53)

So if, let's say, counterbacks from International Fight Week. Let's say he's doing International Fight Week. You're telling me if we're trying to do Numbies for Paramount. You're telling me you don't do Patty versus Connor at 170, right? Patty's huge. He'd do 170. Did you say Numbies? I like that. Thank you.

Joe Rogan (118:09)

Well, unfortunately, the big fight would have been Patty versus Ilya. That would have been the big fight.

Eddie Bravo (118:15)

That'd been a big fight.

Joe Rogan (118:16)

If they could have figured out a way to make that happen, that would have been the big fight.

Eddie Bravo (118:19)

It's a disaster fight for Patty. And that's where the train stops. It would have been a big fight. But Connor, Patty, it's like, that's entertaining, dude.

Dan Soder (118:26)

It is entertaining.

Brian Redban (118:28)

That's that.

Eddie Bravo (118:28)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (118:29)

I feel like that fight was in the future, if they built him up correctly. I just think throwing him to Justin, you know, after, like, was it Jared. Jared Gordon? I thought Jared Gordon won that fight.

Eddie Bravo (118:41)

Yeah, but so does Patty. Even Patty was like, yeah, I probably lost that fight.

Joe Rogan (118:46)

That's what I thought. And so just a few years later, the Bobby Green video, that was impressive.

Eddie Bravo (118:50)

Michael Chandler, he looked good.

Joe Rogan (118:52)

That was impressive.

Eddie Bravo (118:52)

Still older guys. And then older Justin Gaethje.

Joe Rogan (118:55)

Exactly. But.

Eddie Bravo (118:56)

And then my thing is, when you look at Justin Gates, he's like, wait, how's Patty gonna get him to the ground?

Joe Rogan (119:00)

Right?

Eddie Bravo (119:00)

What's the move.

Joe Rogan (119:01)

Right.

Eddie Bravo (119:02)

It can't be. If. If it's.

Joe Rogan (119:04)

What is it?

Eddie Bravo (119:04)

These jiu jitsu trips. You know? Good. Justin Gaethje's takedown defense.

Joe Rogan (119:08)

And he's also such a good.

Eddie Bravo (119:09)

His hips are nuts.

Joe Rogan (119:10)

Crazy athlete.

Eddie Bravo (119:12)

Wild.

Joe Rogan (119:12)

Yeah. And he fought that fight like a wild man.

Brian Redban (119:15)

Wild.

Joe Rogan (119:15)

He fought that fight just pure reckless. Just walked him down and just like, let him swing off. It was like he felt no fear. It was kind of crazy.

Eddie Bravo (119:23)

Dude. What happens if at the White House, you know, Trump, he. He's probably not too familiar with UFC fighters and he's like, okay, American Justin Gage, let's do this. And Ilia Toria comes out and flatlines him in front of all the affiliate

Joe Rogan (119:38)

tooa Flatlines Justin Gage's next fight. He's got the greatest resume of all time ever. I mean, it's the craziest resume.

Eddie Bravo (119:44)

Here's how the white.

Brian Redban (119:46)

Amazing.

Eddie Bravo (119:46)

Here's how the White House card could be saved with all the. I'm talking. Everybody talking. What if Justin Gaii. It could happen. What if he knocks Il Toria out as the main event at the White House?

Joe Rogan (119:56)

That would be.

Eddie Bravo (119:56)

Grabs the American flag and that could easily just give the ripping promo.

Brian Redban (120:02)

That could happen. Gage could knock anybody out. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (120:06)

Bruce Buffer announces his name. That's when the drone hits.

Jamie Vernon (120:13)

It says it's scheduled to start at

Joe Rogan (120:15)

noon on the White House lawn.

Dan Soder (120:17)

Perfect.

Joe Rogan (120:17)

It'll be a th000 degrees out.

Brian Redban (120:21)

Is there an Iranian fighter we could get?

Joe Rogan (120:24)

I'm gonna look like I'm in the shower.

Brian Redban (120:25)

Yeah.

Eddie Bravo (120:25)

Humid as.

Brian Redban (120:27)

How about main event? Top Iranian guy. Top Israel guy.

Eddie Bravo (120:32)

Not a main Iranians main event.

Brian Redban (120:35)

What do you think about that?

Eddie Bravo (120:36)

Which is a shame because Iranians are.

Joe Rogan (120:37)

Well, how about a guy from Palestine like you get Bilal Muhammad against an Israeli guy. That's a dual fight.

Brian Redban (120:43)

Are you kidding?

Eddie Bravo (120:43)

That's a dual fight.

Joe Rogan (120:44)

That would be huge. You just massive. There's no.

Brian Redban (120:47)

There'd be Scud missiles coming from everywhere.

Joe Rogan (120:49)

But what guy in that weight class is from Israel? Nobody.

Brian Redban (120:54)

Dude. Israel got a bunch of great fighters.

Dan Soder (120:56)

I know.

Joe Rogan (120:56)

But in the UFC. There's no one in the UFC at 170. That's.

Eddie Bravo (121:00)

They just gave. It's a weird one.

Joe Rogan (121:02)

Yes. A tough one. Right? Who they give him?

Eddie Bravo (121:09)

Did I do many favors. And then also Kamaru Usman thought he was getting Islam and then they yanked it from him at the last second.

Brian Redban (121:16)

How about a Ukrainian against a Russian? Throw that in.

Eddie Bravo (121:19)

I totally agree. Trump in the pream.

Brian Redban (121:21)

In the pream.

Joe Rogan (121:22)

I think Ian. I think Ian Gary deserves it. But I also think Kamaru, like, come on, the guy's a legend.

Eddie Bravo (121:28)

Legend.

Joe Rogan (121:29)

This is like, I wouldn't be mad at and look sensational against Joaquin Buckley. I want to see that fight.

Eddie Bravo (121:36)

This is my thing with Justin. Like, Justin might have one more. He said for Ilya. My thing with Justin is like, let's go out on top. Ilia's a. Could he win? Of course. Anybody can win. But for Justin, all he's done for the company. Give him the red panty night. Give him Connor at 170, right? That's the fight and let's make all the money.

Joe Rogan (121:55)

Do you think that he would take that fight?

Eddie Bravo (121:57)

Who?

Joe Rogan (121:57)

Conor?

Eddie Bravo (121:58)

100.

Joe Rogan (121:58)

Justin Gaethje.

Brian Redban (121:59)

100 at 170.

Eddie Bravo (122:01)

Dude, he was gonna fight 55 Carlos.

Joe Rogan (122:06)

He could make 155. If he's off the sauce, he can make 155.

Eddie Bravo (122:09)

Connor was down to fight Carlos at 170. You know, they called him. He's like, yep, sign it. Really?

Brian Redban (122:14)

Yeah.

Dan Soder (122:15)

Wow.

Eddie Bravo (122:15)

He's gangster, dude.

Joe Rogan (122:16)

That's a gangster fight.

Eddie Bravo (122:18)

Super gang. Horrible fight for him.

Brian Redban (122:19)

When was the last time Connor fought? How long has it been?

Eddie Bravo (122:21)

It's been a long time.

Brian Redban (122:22)

Two years.

Eddie Bravo (122:23)

He hasn't won in forever.

Joe Rogan (122:24)

Well, he broke his leg in his last fight.

Brian Redban (122:26)

When was that? How long ago was that?

Eddie Bravo (122:29)

Four years.

Joe Rogan (122:30)

At least three.

Eddie Bravo (122:31)

At least.

Brian Redban (122:31)

And 100%. 100%, you feel Conor's gonna at least come back for one more fight, right? Yes, 100%.

Eddie Bravo (122:37)

100%. I think the UFC feels pressure from the criticism of this White House card and not closing on Jon Jones and the other fights. And they're gonna get it done with five years.

Joe Rogan (122:46)

It's been five years.

Dan Soder (122:47)

I don't think Conor is going to fight all of that.

Jamie Vernon (122:50)

Well, he fought. I mean, I guess the May fight gonna happen, guys.

Eddie Bravo (122:53)

No, not Charles. Not Charles. If anything.

Dan Soder (122:55)

I thought it was Charles.

Joe Rogan (122:56)

No, we're talking about Justin Gates.

Dan Soder (122:58)

I thought it was Connor's fighting Charles in July, bro.

Joe Rogan (123:03)

That's what they were saying. Imagine the bonkers fight. Imagine this Gaichi somehow another knocks out Iliotaporia. Conor versus Gaethje in July.

Brian Redban (123:13)

That would be insane.

Joe Rogan (123:13)

You couldn't do it in July either.

Brian Redban (123:15)

Even Connor against would be insane. Whoever wins, like whoever wins that against Conor, that's would be insane. Either one.

Joe Rogan (123:23)

Listen, it has to be the big December card, right?

Dan Soder (123:25)

Let's just get Connor to July 11th. Let's not worry about December.

Joe Rogan (123:29)

Well, let's just get him to anywhere.

Dan Soder (123:31)

That's a quick turn. He's gonna do it. Barely gonna get him.

Joe Rogan (123:34)

Who else would be good for him?

Eddie Bravo (123:35)

Max Holloway. Whoa. They remember. They fought. It was Max first fight in ufc. They're two completely different fighters now.

Brian Redban (123:41)

What happened?

Eddie Bravo (123:42)

Cutting weight. Charles beat him. I'm. I'm sorry. Connor beat Max, but it's Max's first decision. Decision.

Brian Redban (123:49)

Decision.

Joe Rogan (123:49)

Yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban (123:50)

Forgot about.

Eddie Bravo (123:51)

So young though. Like, they're completely different. Max is a legend. Connor's a legend.

Joe Rogan (123:54)

They're both 145.

Eddie Bravo (123:56)

That's Cook, dude. And, and Max coming off a loss like you don't want to set Conor, like Carlos PR is just up. I feel it's so.

Joe Rogan (124:03)

It's so wrong to not give it to Michael Chandler.

Eddie Bravo (124:06)

So up.

Joe Rogan (124:07)

It's so wrong. You know, man, it's so wrong.

Dan Soder (124:10)

You said it the best. I. We all love Conor, but it's like you what Marvin AG said, it's tough to sleep on silk sheets.

Joe Rogan (124:18)

Yeah, it's tough to get up in the morning when you're sleeping in silk sheets.

Brian Redban (124:21)

That's true. Rocky too, but, but some like Jon

Eddie Bravo (124:24)

Jones sleeps in silk sheets. He's a different.

Joe Rogan (124:27)

So was Floyd Mayweather when he was

Dan Soder (124:29)

in his prime way these guys.

Brian Redban (124:30)

Did Floyd Mayweather lose his money? Didn't he? No way. Is he broke?

Eddie Bravo (124:35)

Well, he has three zillion dollars.

Dan Soder (124:38)

He lost it all and then got it back.

Brian Redban (124:41)

Dude, Floyd Mayweather, when I'm hearing like, he like, didn't he have like $5 billion? How do you lose that?

Joe Rogan (124:48)

No, he didn't have that much.