Fight Companion - September 6, 2025

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience: Fight Companion – September 6, 2025

Host: Joe Rogan
Guests: Brian Callen, Brendan Schaub, Eddie Bravo, Gordon Ryan
Date: September 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Fight Companion episode offers a deep-dive into MMA, combat sports culture, athlete psychology, and contemporary issues in and out of the Octagon. Joe Rogan and his guests bring their signature banter, expert insights, and sometimes irreverent humor to everything from cutting weight and legendary fighters to the impact of AI and immigration politics. The group reacts live to the UFC Paris card while sharing stories, breaking down skill sets, and occasionally sparring over deeper health, social, and sporting topics.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. UFC Fighter Resilience and Extreme Weight Cutting

• The group explores the adversity some fighters face, with special emphasis on Michael Bisping's career despite his injuries.
  • Joe Rogan on Bisping: “Just the fact the guy won the world title with one eyeball. I mean, imagine you got a wife and a family and a future. You’re in your 30s. You’re like, well, I still have one eye...” [04:53]
  • Discussion of crazy weight cuts by fighters like Michael Chiesa, Alex Pereira, and Anthony “Rumble” Johnson.
  • Athlete commiseration about the toll of repeated surgery and injuries.

2. Athlete Legacies: Fighting with Physical Limitations

• Adulation for fighters who push through severe limitations: Bisping’s one eye, Sarah Boulata’s same predicament.
• The group marvels at fighters’ mental toughness:
  • Joe Rogan: “Face of the mental tough. This is going to be an interesting fight.” [04:46]

3. Analyzing Upcoming Fights and UFC Card

• The hosts provide live reactions to the UFC Paris event:
  • Impressions of Benoit St. Denis, Mauricio “Rufian” Rua, and others.
  • Breakdown of local MMA scenes; “France is very heavy in terms of its immigration” [13:55]; noting many French fighters come from other countries.
• Speculation about matchups, potential title shots, and what it will take to compete at the highest level.

4. Evolution of Combat Sports & Weight Cut Madness

• Due admiration (and concern) for extreme weight-cutting histories in the sport.
  • Joe Rogan: “They tore their kidneys apart, man. Just break your huge. Yeah, you’re drying your organs out like an old sponge.” [07:03]
• Debates about weight classes and fighter safety.

5. Training, Mindset, and Style Advantages in MMA

• Gordon Ryan and Joe discuss what separates Dagestani wrestlers from other grapplers—control-based “scrimmage wrestling.”
• Barriers for BJJ specialists with no wrestling/striking backgrounds.
  • Brian Callen: “The worst background to get into with MMA, unfortunately, is Jiu Jitsu with no wrestling and no striking. I think it is the worst.” [127:15]
• Revealing the importance of tape study, mental preparation, and grappling innovation.

6. Boxing, Celebrity Fights & The Exhibition Era

• Candid speculation about Canelo vs. Crawford, as well as Tyson vs. Mayweather and Jake Paul spectacle fights.
  • Joe Rogan: “But they like Mike Tyson and Mayweather don’t like each other. If there’s a fight that might be real like where Mike Tyson might say I’m gonna knock this out or I’m gonna try guy to knock this motherfucker.” [25:04]
  • Exhibition fights are “money grabs,” but still must-watch events.

7. Psychedelics, Athlete Psychology & Life after Sport

• Brendan Schaub recounts a bad trip on mushrooms with self-deprecating humor and honesty.
  • Brendan Schaub: “Apparently for four hours I was asking to speak to a manager. Yeah. Because I needed to get out of there.”
• Rogan discusses how ayahuasca has affected fighters’ and friends’ mental approach to competition.

8. Modern Politics, Social Issues & Immigration

• Spirited debates about U.S. and European immigration, assimilation, and social conflict:
  • Joe Rogan: “The thing is, like, who’s allowing this to happen and what’s the end goal?” [37:20]
• Critique of news/media manipulation, “bot” social media accounts, and the online culture war.
• Commentary on gun rights, identity politics, and political maneuvering.

9. AI, China, Propaganda, and the Future of Information

• Group weighs in on the international AI “arms race,” hacking, and propaganda campaigns, especially between U.S. and China.
• Joe expresses skepticism about who’s truly in front, and the lack of national security over sensitive tech.

10. Combat Sports, Health, and the Vaccine Debate

• Unfiltered, heated exchange between Rogan and Callen over vaccine safety.
  • Joe Rogan: “It’s a long conversation that we’re not going to have on this podcast because I’m going to get angry because I’ve researched this for years.” [72:07]
  • Brian Callen: “But you're not a scientist.”
• The group covers their personal choices, highlighting how mixed the science and anecdote can be.

11. Fighter Pay, UFC Economics, and Stardom

• Paired with ongoing debates about the new UFC/Paramount deal, fighter compensation vs. league profitability.
• Comments on how moving off PPV changes financial trajectories for stars.

12. Physical Extremes: Strongmen, Genetics, and Cutting Edge Medicine

• Anecdotes about Brian Shaw (strongman), Thor Bjornsson (Game of Thrones), and other genetic outliers.
• The future: gene editing (CRISPR), peptides for muscle growth, and potential for life extension and cosmetic advances.

13. Life in Austin, Comedy, and Aging with Style

• Austin’s ongoing boom and its impact on the comedy scene and homelessness.
• The crew discusses aging celebrities and how advances in medical interventions are pushing the envelope (with a dose of typical humor).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joe (on Bisping’s toughness, 04:53): “Just the fact the guy won the world title with one eyeball… That's so gangster fighting like that.”
• Brendan Schaub (on grief, 10:37): “I don't know how to deal with it. I'm not good with emotion.”
• Gordon Ryan (on Dagestani wrestling, 87:05): “If you look at the wrestling that the Dagestani guys do in fighting, there’s no real place to study that wrestling. You have to create your own system, because it’s not Jiu Jitsu. It's not wrestling.”
• Joe (on politics and social division, 39:13): “Don’t you think that this is on purpose? I think it’s keep each other at each other’s throats.”
• Eddie Bravo (on modern boxing, 24:26): “Gervonte Davis is so crazy. 135 vs 200. That is so nuts.”
• Brian Callen (on the 'scrimmage wrestling' innovation, 129:04): “The rule set really kind of ruined a lot of what made Jiu Jitsu important.”
• Joe (on fighter pay, 189:56): “There’s elite guys that got paid really well in the PFL that nobody knows who they are, and then maybe they made more money than the UFC, but they won’t get the same kind of sponsors. They won’t get the same…”

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Fight Companion – Important Timestamps

• 04:00-06:00: Discussion of Bisping, fighting with one eye, longstanding injuries (and their mental/physical burdens).
• 13:55-17:00: Talking immigration, French MMA as a microcosm, and the global nature of fight rosters.
• 31:00-33:00: Psychedelic stories: bad mushroom trips, ayahuasca’s effect on fighters.
• 35:00-38:00: What unchecked immigration is doing to European societies—drawn parallel with AI bots/propaganda.
• 46:48-48:00: Health and staph infection anecdotes, sauna and medical hacks.
• 71:01-74:39: Vaccine debate between Joe and Brian gets heated; philosophies on health, government, and risk.
• 87:00-89:00: Dissecting the wrestling revolution in MMA, Dagestani-style “scrimmage wrestling”.
• 104:03-106:00: The “number system” for title contenders, how matchmaking could (should) work in a sport without marketing hype.
• 173:24-174:03: Value of smart, defensive fighting over reckless brawling.
• 207:12-208:47: What the future of MMA will look like (“specialists in everything”).
• 214:25-216:06: Brian Shaw, strongmen, and the rarest bone density on Earth.
• 220:54-223:30: Gym stories: wild sparring partners, etiquette, and the reality of "tough guy" walk-ins.

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Noteworthy Moments

• Brendan describing a mushroom trip gone wrong:
  • “Apparently for four hours I was asking to speak to a manager…I was like, I need to speak to my manager. I don’t believe I’m a good person. I just tripped into a portal. I need to get home.” [30:40]
• Gordon Ryan breaking down the differences between "American" and "Dagestani" wrestling and why control beats all.
• Rogan’s signature blend of humor and honesty:
  • “They're going to turn old ladies into hot again. That's going to get weird.” [228:32]
• Debate over vaccine risks, pharmaceutical profit, and government trust – a flashpoint in the episode.
• A genuine appreciation for fighters who overcome life-altering adversity, both in and out of the cage.

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Tone and Style

The episode combines high-energy technical debate, locker-room banter, irreverence, and moments of genuine emotion or concern. Joe Rogan's experience as a fight analyst and stand-up comedian sets both the expert dissecting and comedic tones, with all guests matching his ability to shift from knowledge drops to outlandish anecdotes. The Fight Companion here is, as always, a celebration of fight fandom, but not shy about wading through big topics.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode encapsulates why the Fight Companion format is beloved: Live action reactions, in-depth analysis from top minds like Gordon Ryan, best-in-the-business MMA banter, high-level philosophical/cultural debate, and an unfiltered look at the human condition—on and off the mats.

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking a comprehensive catch-up on a dense, lively JRE Fight Companion format.

Transcript

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[Brian Callen]

The Joe Rogan Experience Join my day.

[Brendan Schaub]

Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.

[Eddie Bravo]

Rowdy.

[Joe Rogan]

We good?

[Brendan Schaub]

All right, we're live.

[Joe Rogan]

We're live. Ladies and gentlemen, here we are. Hey, Gordon Ryan in the house. Brian Cowan, Brennan Shop. Let's go, let's go. Fight companion. Jamie, send me the link so I could. Did you send it to me? All right, we'll tweet it out to let all the folks at home look at Paul Felder looking like a guy from the 40s.

[Brendan Schaub]

Do you know what he majored in in college?

[Joe Rogan]

Dance.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right.

[Eddie Bravo]

Theater.

[Brendan Schaub]

Theater.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I know. It is funny.

[Brendan Schaub]

It is so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

It is funny.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was at the Comedy Store one night, and I was like, can you.

[Brian Callen]

Phone me at Link, too?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, he was at the show and he was like. I was like, do you watch a lot of stuff? He goes, well, I majored in theater.

[Eddie Bravo]

Bisping did not major in theater. And he's booking a ton of roles.

[Brendan Schaub]

He did the commercial I wrote.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, but I'm talking real roles. Yeah, your commercial is for UFC guys. He's booking, like, movies.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he really?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, like legit movies, bro, that guy's crushing it.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to talk about a guy who has had to struggle? His neck was so bad, dude, he could barely get out of bed to do podcasts and do his commentary work. And then he's in bed most of the day after that.

[Eddie Bravo]

And he has one eye.

[Joe Rogan]

His one eye? Yeah, he's had his neck fused, like, three different times.

[Brendan Schaub]

I was on the plane with him when he was. He was. You know, he was. He was in this right after his surgery with that, you know, brace, and he was miserable. I go, how are you doing?

[Joe Rogan]

He goes, you know, bro, he's. He's been miserable for years, like, in intense pain for years.

[Eddie Bravo]

But he's better now, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's slightly better. We got him some. We hooked him up at waste. Well, he. He got some. He got two knee replacements, so he's got two fake knees. He's got. His neck is all fucked up. Offer him a fight tomorrow's. Like, I'll take it. Wow.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Eddie Bravo]

How about his last fight over there? Like, hey, man, you down to fight Gaslam in China on eight day notice?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, right after you GSP and got dropped with a left hook.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's been fighting since he was 14, man. 14. Like, you can see video of him here.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, he's the face of European mma. He's at Mount Rushmore, if they had one over there.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro, he's a beast. He was a beast in his day and fought undersized, you know, for a lot of his career at light heavyweight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Just the fact the guy won the world title with one eyeball. I mean, imagine you got a wife and a family and a future. You're in your 30s. You're like, well, I still have one.

[Eddie Bravo]

Eye, but here's my thing helps.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so Gay patch. Such a gangster fighting like that.

[Brian Callen]

Like, you have, like, your retina detached and, like, you can go blind. And the one eye you do have.

[Joe Rogan]

And he got his retina detached in that eye, too. Yeah, so it's like, what's crazy is.

[Brian Callen]

One and that's what you're doing. A sport where you can definitely lose.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, no doubt. What's crazy though too is the commissioner was like, ah, he's good.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know what he did? He memorized the scale.

[Eddie Bravo]

The. The eyeball thing.

[Joe Rogan]

We read like, read a deal chart.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a junkie for fighting.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

How many guys are looking for a way out all the time, you know? And this guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Fights 10, 11 fights in the UFC with one eyeball.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's a legend.

[Brendan Schaub]

Legend. Unbelievable.

[Joe Rogan]

Just face of the mental tough. This is going to be an interesting fight. Benoit St. Denis and Mauricio Ruffian. Yeah, Roofy is crazy at 155.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's like a Brazilian, Connor, but he's huge. Huge.

[Joe Rogan]

It doesn't make any sense that he is 155. He's like 6:2. He's strong.

[Brendan Schaub]

6:2.

[Joe Rogan]

He's huge.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's undefeated in the UFC, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He wheel kicked Bobby Green into another dimension. He's super talent.

[Eddie Bravo]

Cardio is the only question hasn't competition.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he only 511 says on Google go.

[Eddie Bravo]

I don't believe that Google be.

[Joe Rogan]

I think he's. I think he's.

[Eddie Bravo]

Come on, Jamie. Come on, bro.

[Brendan Schaub]

511, 156. And my fantasy is 62.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe he's taller than that. I've seen him standing next to like, Trickus Dup and all these other guys. He's like. He's tall as. Man.

[Eddie Bravo]

Tough fight for your boy. BSD in his hometown. Yes, bsd. He takes some chances, man.

[Joe Rogan]

He does. But the. The thing is like, striking in striking, Roofy has a giant advantage. And Roofy's not a slouch on the ground. And Benoit San Denis really good at judo, yo.

[Brendan Schaub]

Some of these guys who fight at 55, when you see them, like, the fact that Michael Chase was able to make 55 at one point in his career is so ridiculous. He walks around at 6:2,200 pounds.

[Joe Rogan]

They tore their kidneys apart, man. Just break your huge. Yeah, you're drying your organs out like an old sponge.

[Brendan Schaub]

Rodriguez at 45. That's ridiculous.

[Brian Callen]

Would you say Khabib was the biggest 55 fiver?

[Joe Rogan]

No. Gleason and I think that's the one guy that should have beat him. If you look at the record, you know, you look at like, Khabib's got an undefeated record. There's an asterisk, and that asterisk is Gleason Glacen T bout that was a very close fight that I thought khabib lost, but it was early in khabib's career. You know, it was before he won the title.

[Eddie Bravo]

But to your point, Khabib, 55 biggest at, like, the championship level, like.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Was never, like, world class. No, he. Well, he was world class, but he was never.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, I'm talking, like, world class in the 55 division, like, top five. He was never, like, tip of the spear.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if you think that he almost won or could have won, he definitely could have gotten that decision over khabib. He's right up close. Yeah, but he's a.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's, you know, early in khabib's career.

[Brendan Schaub]

To your point, there are.55 is way bigger than khabib.

[Joe Rogan]

After a while, these guys, their body just can't do it anymore. No, it's like, you know, how many fights can you have where you could still fight at at your potential? Look at the size of t. Bell.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's. Yeah, I saw him.

[Joe Rogan]

He was well over £200.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah. I saw him at top team, and I couldn't believe how thick he was, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He's so thick, it made no sense. He had a perfect physique.

[Brian Callen]

The craziest thing to me is Pereira making 85.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's the nutty.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's fine.

[Joe Rogan]

Hands down. I met him.

[Brian Callen]

I was like, a Jack235 once, and he was, like, way bigger than me. And I was like, how the does this guy make 185?

[Joe Rogan]

Let me take that back.

[Brian Callen]

Is longer than me. Like, is every. Every part of him is bigger than me? Like, how's this guy make 185?

[Joe Rogan]

The craziest one was Ronald Johnson. Yep, yep, yep.

[Brendan Schaub]

Rumble was crazy. When I was 20, I was doing warrior with him. He was 235 and. And 170. Dude, he fought at 170. He was too. When I say 235, like, I remember saying to Sam sheridan, I go, I feel bad about myself because why? Because I'm looking at fucking. I didn't grow. Like, how do you look at him? Like, I want to look like that. I just want to look like him. And he sucked down to 70. It was a craziest shit ever.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, look at the size of him in the lower right.

[Eddie Bravo]

He got juicy. There's a while there he just.

[Brian Callen]

Where I met him, when he was fighting at 170, I was, like, 12 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

What did he die of? Did he get sepsis?

[Brendan Schaub]

Liver. Something with his liver.

[Joe Rogan]

God damn it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Might have been liver. It might have been some kind of a liver cancer or something.

[Eddie Bravo]

He was so talented, too. He came in our gym in, like, his prime, and the coach was like, are you right or left hand? He's like, whatever you want to do. He's like, well, left or right, man. He's like, literally, whatever you want to do. And he's like £230.

[Joe Rogan]

We're all. Oh, okay. Organ failure due to complications from non Hodgkin's lymphoma, a rare immune disorder.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he had it for a long time. He knew he had it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's horrible.

[Brendan Schaub]

Remember when he said, when I have to retire, I'm retiring for other things?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Terrible. And then he died, like, shortly after.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crazy happened to my friend. Just died. Had. We didn't know, but he had bone marrow cancer. We didn't know.

[Joe Rogan]

And then went to that restaurant, didn't he?

[Brendan Schaub]

Via Veneto.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

My boy Fabricio, one of my favorite people. And he just. He stopped answering texts. And I was like, you know what's going on? And he goes, no, I'm good, brother. I'm just taking a break from every. Not you, but just, like, you know, I'm taking a break and relaxing. And I was like, this doesn't make sense. Turns out he was in la, and then I think he. He got septic and. Or something like that. His family keeps it close to the vest, but that was a good buddy of mine, but just crazy that I get a call and says, hey, he. He passed last night.

[Eddie Bravo]

This is Brian in a nutshell. We do the show Monday. I'm like, hey, Ben. He's like, good man. Good man. Oh, yeah, my friend died.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus Christ.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know how to. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm not good with emotion.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's hard when someone dies because it doesn't feel real.

[Brendan Schaub]

It doesn't feel real.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially if you don't see them dead.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, what? You're not there anymore. I call you, you don't answer.

[Brendan Schaub]

My buddy called me, and my buddy calls me and he goes, hey, man, hey. Just look like this. He goes, hey, man, we lost Fabrizio last night. I go, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Where is he?

[Brendan Schaub]

What are you talking about? He goes, he passed. I go, what?

[Eddie Bravo]

Because I had no clue.

[Brendan Schaub]

I had no Died.

[Eddie Bravo]

No idea he was such a good. Best food ever.

[Brian Callen]

They release, like, the zr1x specs or zr1 around like Nuremberg. I'm like, oh, man, let me send this to My dad. I'm like, oh, he's been dead for five years.

[Eddie Bravo]

You took it to another level. I'm sorry.

[Brendan Schaub]

My head just goes down. Ah, never mind.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's weird when people die.

[Brendan Schaub]

It is.

[Joe Rogan]

It's very odd.

[Eddie Bravo]

The CR1's badass, though.

[Brian Callen]

You see that? They did the Nuremberg test, and it wasn't with Professor. It was with the engineer.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuremberg is. That's Nazi Germany. You mean Nurburgring?

[Brian Callen]

Yeah. I have no idea how to pronounce it. The one that begins with an end.

[Joe Rogan]

I drove that ZR1. Not the X, but the regular one. I drove it around. Coda. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's like 1100 horsepower. It sounds like just like the perfect vehicle. It sounds so good. It feels so good. It's got such handling. It's so good. Dude, it's so bad.

[Eddie Bravo]

He called me after.

[Brian Callen]

Does it have a traction issue?

[Eddie Bravo]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

There's giant engine, giant ass wheels, mid engine, giant ass tires. Did the widest tire you can buy on a production automobile.

[Eddie Bravo]

But Joe. Joe would drive that. Then he calls me. I'm like, I need to figure out a way to get one.

[Brendan Schaub]

Me too.

[Joe Rogan]

It's such a good car. They. They nailed it, man. It's like they. First of all, they nailed it with the mid engine, with the Corvette, the C8. And then this is that times a thousand.

[Brendan Schaub]

I remember one time. I don't know anything about cars. And Joe pops the hood of this new Porsche he had, and he kind of like, he went like this. The way you do a magic trick. He goes like that. And. And I was like, oh, man. I was like. And you said something about it being dual aspiration. I was like, dual?

[Joe Rogan]

You don't even know what I said. Dual aspiration. You just made up a term, aspirations.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was some dual thing. I was like, oh, man. It's got two lungs instead of one. My car has making things up. That's what I heard. I heard dual aspiration.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, so this is the first fight. Gomez is very good. He's from France. That's that dude right there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Very good striker. And then. Who is this gentleman?

[Brendan Schaub]

Some white guy.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy looks like they plucked him. They plucked him right out of Kentucky.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Or Poland or Kentucky.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never been to Paris. I've. I just lay over there once.

[Eddie Bravo]

I have no desire to go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Great city, Great city.

[Eddie Bravo]

I have no desire.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you say that name? Rachala Ruchala.

[Brendan Schaub]

Anybody who's fighting in France usually isn't French. It's like, by way of, like, Russia, you know what I mean? Armenia.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. France is very heavy in terms of its immigration.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of immigrants.

[Brendan Schaub]

A lot of. Including Francis. Francis.

[Joe Rogan]

And Ghana, that's where.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, that's right.

[Brendan Schaub]

But even.

[Eddie Bravo]

Even with Imov, you know, that was the build up to this fight. They're like, he's not really French, you know, he's originally Dagestanic.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Or Russian maybe, Right?

[Eddie Bravo]

I think Dagistan.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Your fave. Yeah, my favorite. Every time there's a dag standing, knocking somebody out, he's like, jerking off. Gallon, huh? All over those daggy nuts. Huh?

[Eddie Bravo]

You're jerking off their nuts, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, look at the way they control their top, control their flow, wrestling their transitions.

[Joe Rogan]

How about that guy sent you guys in the text message today? Oh, dude, that young kid.

[Brendan Schaub]

That axe kick. That axe kick.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing about that kid, though, is I don't think he's a grappler. I think it's just Muay Thai. That's why he's fighting in one.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's always weird when you see a daggie and he's good at stand up and not wrestling. What the you been doing?

[Joe Rogan]

How about. Yeah, well, at 145, 6 foot. At 145 is kind of bananas.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, share bullets fighting Paulo Costa.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, that's a good.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's another guy with one eye. Yeah, yeah, Sarah. Bullets out of his mind.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. He's a big boy.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's a fussy past commit.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the commission doing?

[Brendan Schaub]

Are you good?

[Joe Rogan]

He doesn't fight in America. Yeah, where we have rules.

[Brendan Schaub]

No. Didn't he fight?

[Joe Rogan]

I think he fought in America yet. I don't believe so. Did he? I don't believe he's fought in America.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, you just stay out there. I thought it's gonna be tricky for Hamza to fight here, but once Trump became president, they said, come on in, bud.

[Joe Rogan]

First round, if you want to sync up to us, it's 452, 451, 454, 49, 448. Here we go, first round. This is a very good card, though.

[Eddie Bravo]

Great card.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially the last two fights.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, for the locals, too. Like, there's a bunch of big names in France on here. Like, if you're watching local mma, all the top stars on this card, they stack this one right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yo, our boy Kentucky can move.

[Eddie Bravo]

Is he from Kentucky?

[Joe Rogan]

He is now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Gordon. You should. You should. Gordon, you should take a couple MMA fights.

[Joe Rogan]

Just turtle up and just Abu Dhabi. Yeah, yeah. They're all in a part of the world. Like my friend. Not a problem. Not a problem.

[Eddie Bravo]

My friend, he did film a movie in Hollywood though. So they allowed him to do that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

They allowed him to come over here briefly.

[Eddie Bravo]

And he was a pirate.

[Joe Rogan]

They probably put an ankle monitor on him. 100.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's not hard to find. That red, red bearded guy with one eye, was it, you know. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

His only hiccup was Michael Venom Page.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that just shows you how good Michael Venom Page is that. That's the puzzle.

[Eddie Bravo]

I like MVP at 85.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

I'm loving 85.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, I was like, ah, the size. This is where he might meet his match. Like, man, he him up. He around too much. Cannonier got him on his back and that's on mvp. Like if you have a guy at that caliber hurt, finish him, dude. Don't wait around.

[Brendan Schaub]

How about Cannonier at 42? He looks like he's made of metal.

[Joe Rogan]

He is.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hand me that lighter, buddy.

[Brian Callen]

It's interesting with with MVP because he's like so hard to take down because he always has down block hands.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brian Callen]

So all the punches come from the bottom and he also has a down block hand. But then once he actually gets back put on bottom. He didn't. Wasn't. He couldn't get up.

[Joe Rogan]

Those guys with that point fighting style are so hard to touch because they're so used to playing that tag game and their ability to close distance is nuts.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When you're at the blitz. His speed, accuracy too. I mean he makes everybody look stupid. He make. He made Kevin Holland look stupid. Stupid.

[Eddie Bravo]

I wonder what they do with them at 85 though. Because you start going towards those upper echelon guys, it gets dicey.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's going to be interesting to see. You know, it's gonna be interesting to see as long as he doesn't around like he did in the third round with Cannonier. I think people are gonna have a really hard time even touching him early on for sure.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's just so fun to watch. Anyway, I would keep him as he's just so entertaining.

[Eddie Bravo]

There's so many super fights.

[Brendan Schaub]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you see what he's saying to Cannonier? Calm down. Chill, bro. Chill. Like what do you do? Guy just punches you in the face and he's telling you to chill.

[Brendan Schaub]

You swing it air. Because it's just like, oh, think how.

[Eddie Bravo]

Good Ian Machado Gary is.

[Joe Rogan]

I know people sleep on Ian.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's such a beast.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You can't. Well, it just showed you how good Shavkat is. Yeah, right. The only guy that's ever beat him by decision. Yeah. I mean, I was doing Shavkat versus Sean Brady.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's a good fight. I love that fight.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a real good fight. That's a real good fight. I'd like to know what injury Shavkat had that led him to not take the title shot.

[Eddie Bravo]

Wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, it must have been a serious. He had surgery. I know he had surgery, but apparently before the Machado fight, he was not going to take that fight. Like, he's that injured, but he took that fight, won that fight, and then had to get surgery.

[Eddie Bravo]

He had a lot of hype, too. And then just kind of like. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

People forget, man. There's so many good dudes, you know? It's Carlos. Protest is coming up. There's something. How about that? Jeff Neal.

[Eddie Bravo]

Now he's finally on.

[Joe Rogan]

Edwards Protest versus everyone.

[Eddie Bravo]

Pretty sure it's on. Mask. Is it Mad Square Garden?

[Brendan Schaub]

Jamie Practice is so much taller than.

[Eddie Bravo]

I get you some with that. Oh, my. It's a tough fight for Leon.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a tough fight. That kid's an animal. Protest. Smoking cigarettes, drinking again.

[Eddie Bravo]

Machado. Gary beat him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Eddie Bravo]

Beat him.

[Joe Rogan]

Sleep on Ian. He had Machado hurt, though. He dropped, remember? Is it Madison Square Garden?

[Brendan Schaub]

So Brady's fighting Shavkat.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Wow. Like that fight a lot, baby.

[Brian Callen]

Gorilla Brady. Brady was impressive when he fought Leon.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Like. Oh, yeah, he did. He did a lot of. He did most of the things right to keep him down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And he's got, like, extra layers of muscle on his back that make him look like a turtle.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Who is.

[Brendan Schaub]

His loss, too. Who did.

[Joe Rogan]

He.

[Eddie Bravo]

Got beat up. He got beat up bad, that fight, but he learned from it. Edwards vs.

[Joe Rogan]

Pro.

[Eddie Bravo]

How about Pra's just smoking cigs.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I know. It's crazy. Partying.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's like Joe Shilling. I love it.

[Brian Callen]

It's like, whole Persona is basically like, I want to prove you can be degenerate.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

And still people up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he can.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, he's doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

He's that good. But also over a hundred fights.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Really tired. Kickboxing. MMA. Over 100. Crazy and under 30. Come on, right? How old is he? How old is Pratas? I think he's 20.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's like those Russian amateur fighters.

[Joe Rogan]

32.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, is he really?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. That's like Russian boxers, their amateur careers will be, like, 150 fights before they even turn pro, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

The craziest guys are the ties. Bulakow Just fought recently. He's 43. I think he has 287 fights.

[Brendan Schaub]

So insane.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Eddie Bravo]

But, but I think 287 times. Yeah, but that's boxing in general, kickboxing in general. Like even the states, that's typically how it is. Like those, those young dudes have so many amateur fights. But we're used to the Jake Paul's and this and people just jump to the top.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Eddie Bravo]

Where it's kind of watering it down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, they, they're brought up with people that are at their level slowly, especially with boxing.

[Joe Rogan]

Speaking of boxing, what do you think about like next week?

[Brendan Schaub]

Canelo? Can't wait.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, Canelo. See, I don't think it's gonna be that entertaining of a fight.

[Joe Rogan]

What, what makes you say that?

[Brendan Schaub]

Why?

[Eddie Bravo]

I mean, I guess if Crawford takes some chances, but he's jumping up such a high weight class. I, I Canelo by decision.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crawford looks thick.

[Joe Rogan]

You see the photos of him that he put on his Instagram.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's got big legs.

[Joe Rogan]

I know he's jacked.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a good question.

[Eddie Bravo]

You think it makes him fast?

[Brendan Schaub]

Good question.

[Joe Rogan]

But B, I'm not sure he's doing anything. But he might be.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. I'm not sure though that his.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Callan's jerking off to this later.

[Brendan Schaub]

I have a boner that could cut glass right now.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a photo on one of the websites that shows him at. When he's fighting at 47 ripped versus him fighting now at 68 ripped. And he definitely looks thicker. He looks quite a lot. Quite a bit thicker.

[Eddie Bravo]

Technical. He's better than Canelo. I just don't see him being Canelo.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know if he's better technically. Canelo pretty good.

[Eddie Bravo]

Pound for pound, number one, the win.

[Joe Rogan]

He's so good. Crawford's so.

[Brendan Schaub]

What he did to Errol Spence is unbelievable.

[Eddie Bravo]

But then also remember Crawford hasn't fought in two years.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it that long? Yep.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's greatness.

[Joe Rogan]

Madoff was two years ago. Well, the thing about Errol Spence, though, you got to remember Errol Spence crashed his Ferrari and flipped it and flew out and landed on his head like he got up in that car accident.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know, but I don't think it had anything to do with. I think Crawford's justice just got a higher fighter.

[Eddie Bravo]

No, I had to do something with it. A guy that gets that up.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crawford's so good. Like he does that to everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Crawford's so good.

[Brian Callen]

No doubt he was like he was ejected from his Ferrari.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Landed on his skull. It is crying like he was fine.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. Callan. You need to take a screenshot of that dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's burned in my mind. It's burning my mind.

[Joe Rogan]

Bring it into the bathroom later.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'll start crying. That's fantastic.

[Joe Rogan]

When you come, you're going to cry. I'm full of shame as you're coming. Oh, no.

[Brendan Schaub]

And then I'll watch it. Then I'll look at it again.

[Joe Rogan]

Yourself in the mirror.

[Brendan Schaub]

Think about in.

[Eddie Bravo]

In boxing. So you got Canelo, Crawford, you got Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather. That's happening. And they have Jake Paul, Javante Davis. That's the state of boxing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Let that sink in.

[Joe Rogan]

Gervonte Davis is so crazy. 135 versus 200. That is so nuts.

[Brian Callen]

They all. They're all expedition.

[Eddie Bravo]

None of them are.

[Joe Rogan]

They're exhibitions.

[Brendan Schaub]

But what does that mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Just means you don't really. Nobody wins.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're not right.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's kind Of, I mean it's weird. I don't want Jake to sue me. They're not, it's not like a real scrap. It's not real.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really. So they're not trying to knock each other out?

[Joe Rogan]

No. Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather don't like each other. They have not liked each other forever.

[Brendan Schaub]

Tyson, Mayweather, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

But they like Mike Tyson and Mayweather don't like each other. If there's a fight that might be real like where Mike Tyson might say I'm gonna knock this out or I'm gonna try guy to knock this motherfucker.

[Brendan Schaub]

It would be Floyd. They wouldn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, because if you look at like the Jake Paul fight, no disrespect and if you look at the Roy Jones fight, no disrespect, they look like they're sparring.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It looked like there was agreements made.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I, I do not know if Mike would honor any of those agreements.

[Eddie Bravo]

If there was a moment for years.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. If there was a moment to really could he hit him? I mean that little motherfucker can move still at 50 years old he's so slick. Y. He's still in shape, he's still fit.

[Eddie Bravo]

Both old.

[Joe Rogan]

As old as.

[Eddie Bravo]

But this is the boxing.

[Brian Callen]

How old is Mayweather?

[Eddie Bravo]

67.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude. Bernard Hopkins, Bernard Hopkins is still at the, the best in the world at 50.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brendan Schaub]

I mean that's incredible.

[Eddie Bravo]

That doesn't mean though with this because he was active fighting contenders.

[Joe Rogan]

Kentucky's got Gomez on the ground.

[Eddie Bravo]

You're talking about two retired guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Fighting the exhibition money grabs.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's so weird though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it is weird.

[Brendan Schaub]

Weird.

[Joe Rogan]

It's money grabs. I don't like it but it's fun. You know something, I'll tune, I'll hate.

[Eddie Bravo]

On it but tune in.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'll tune in. It's, you know, it's. But it's not really fighting.

[Brendan Schaub]

So Jake Paul's not going to actually be trying to knock out Gerard Davis.

[Eddie Bravo]

There's a reason says exhibitions, if I had a guess.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The event itself would be a world class venue. Be presented to a global audience with new in ring technology elements that will reshape how boxing is presented and scoring is achieved for years to come. What does that mean?

[Eddie Bravo]

That has Abu Dhabi written all over.

[Joe Rogan]

What does that mean? This is Tyson versus Mayweather. What does that mean? Mean where are they doing that? Are they doing that in Saudi Arabia?

[Eddie Bravo]

Of. But of course. But of course. Cuz they have all the money my friend. And they, they go what do you want to See, I'd always like to.

[Joe Rogan]

See Floyd Tyson, who wants to fight an alligator up so much money. They got that oil money dog.

[Brendan Schaub]

This I'm really curious about Crawford Canelo because they're, they're actually kind of the same size, same height.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're not the same size.

[Brendan Schaub]

Different.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're not the same size.

[Brendan Schaub]

They look, look, they look pretty much the same size.

[Joe Rogan]

But I know once it made a.

[Eddie Bravo]

Career fight at much heavier weight, it would be like a 135 or jump up to 170 frame wise.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

But one guy made a career fighting at 170.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right now. Right now they kind of are the same size.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, right now. But once a naturally gifted bigger guy and has competed at world class level at that heavy weight. So you can't say they're the same.

[Brian Callen]

You don't change your game when you go that much.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not gonna be as fast. Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

He had to put on a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Of weight like that.

[Brian Callen]

Major adaptation.

[Eddie Bravo]

The other one's just doing it for a money grab. He hasn't fought in two years.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he was doing it for Legacy and he is, he is. Like he prepared for this. It's not like he just went had a fight at 147, then jumped up to 68 three months later. Yeah, like he really big jump though, isn't it? He did a lot of training, put weight on, like real weight. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I'm interested in that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just because I think Crawford's that good.

[Eddie Bravo]

I just don't think, I think that's the problem with boxings. They build these things up. Like, you know, Jake and Tyson and people think to me, this great product or Crawford and Canelo and it's not. There's not much action, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll tell you who's the real deal. Moses. Moses Itama. Do you know who that.

[Brendan Schaub]

The giant 20 year old heavy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yes, yes. Did you see what he did to Dillian White?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Problem? Yeah, that guy's. Is he only 20, 20 years old? Yeah, he's just slightly older than Tyson was when he won the title. So he can't be the young longest guy to ever win the title. This is so fast. He moves like a middleweight. Here's I, Tom, watch this guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's that Samoan. Samoan or whatever it is, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at the skill. It's the skill, the movement back.

[Brendan Schaub]

No joke either. Dylan White's no joke. Look at this.

[Joe Rogan]

If you said his name right, it's Dillion, but it's all Right, Bro, he tuned this guy up one round, man. I mean, again, White is past his promise.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's also gotten beat up. White's gotten.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, sure, Tyson Fury beat him up a lot of guys, but this is.

[Eddie Bravo]

The test you want for this contender.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the way he did it. He did it like I'm a world champion.

[Eddie Bravo]

Mop the floor with.

[Brendan Schaub]

Didn't Deontay Wilder start. Start him as well?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I don't know if they fought. I don't know if Deontay fought.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dillian, they're trying to do Deontay Wilder. Francis, they're talking to each other. Take my money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, take that.

[Eddie Bravo]

See that? That's not an exhibition. That, that the MMA boxing. Take my, that take my.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crawford's not an exhibition, Bubble.

[Joe Rogan]

Who do you think gets knocked down that one at this stage of the game?

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know.

[Eddie Bravo]

You know what the problem with Wilder is? He did all that ayahuasca. He's too friendly. Whenever someone does too much ayahuasca, I'm like, oh, he's losing.

[Joe Rogan]

Or any ayahuasca if you want to be a fighter.

[Brian Callen]

He did the interview at one time. Enemies, like, I just, I lost it. I lost the killer and think the.

[Joe Rogan]

Killer took his darkness. That happens to a lot of guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they come back and they're just like too sweet.

[Brendan Schaub]

My buddy just came back from doing a 10 day ayahuasca retreat. He's made, made billions of dollars. And he goes. I go, how was. He goes, it was intense. And I go, oh, that's cool. And he goes, I just have a deeper appreciation for my friends.

[Eddie Bravo]

You.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you say that?

[Brendan Schaub]

It was great. He goes, I thought about you. I was like, oh, boy, this is getting awkward.

[Eddie Bravo]

Thing about.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you say, hey, give me some money?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Pay my mortgage, alimony, cut me a check.

[Eddie Bravo]

Did you tell Rogan that time he did ayahuasca?

[Brendan Schaub]

Not. It was mushrooms. I don't want to get into that.

[Joe Rogan]

What'd you do?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no, hey. Got real bad.

[Eddie Bravo]

He literally did the God dose or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

He didn't mean to.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

I did three grams and I was in mother earth's vagina. And then I did four more grams because I was invited to take more medicine. And the son sucked me into his mouth and spit me out into one of the upper range.

[Eddie Bravo]

No, no, but tell them what you're doing in real life. Don't tell them what the words are saying.

[Brendan Schaub]

So I'm going to just say this. I, I, I was, I. Apparently I Was because I thought I was in hell. Apparently for four hours. I was asking for a. Asking to speak to a manager. Yeah. Because I needed to get out of there. Because I was like, I need to speak to my manager. I don't believe I'm a good person. I just tripped into a portal. I. I need to get home.

[Eddie Bravo]

But Dell Roding, the real. He was curled in a ball naked by the.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't want to get.

[Eddie Bravo]

Farting profusely.

[Brendan Schaub]

My buddy goes, you were in a. You were in the fetal position, farting so loud. Yeah. And screaming.

[Eddie Bravo]

And screaming this word we can't say.

[Brendan Schaub]

Screaming a lot of different words that you're not allowed to say.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

When he told me, I was like, what the.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why they're illegal, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't remember anything. I don't remember anything.

[Eddie Bravo]

They try to get me to do it. I'm like, get the out of here.

[Joe Rogan]

Slightly less.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. You know what I learned? Don't do mushrooms anymore when I did.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, just don't do 7 grams when you're troubled.

[Brendan Schaub]

You made me eat a whole chocolate bar on this podcast.

[Joe Rogan]

You had to.

[Brendan Schaub]

You see that? If you look at me in the video, I'm like, this.

[Joe Rogan]

It had to. Had to be done. Yeah, but that's like three. Three. Three is a. Threes are reasonable. You get to around five, and things get very strange. Then you start meeting aliens.

[Eddie Bravo]

Joe, now that you stop alcohol.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Are you smoking more weed?

[Joe Rogan]

Allegedly.

[Eddie Bravo]

Usually how it goes.

[Joe Rogan]

Allegedly.

[Brendan Schaub]

I thought you stopped smoking weed. I don't know why.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe they gotta make that legal. I gotta talk to the big guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Donald, you want to make some friends?

[Eddie Bravo]

Texas.

[Joe Rogan]

This is how you go. This is how it goes. You want to make some real friends?

[Brendan Schaub]

Guns.

[Joe Rogan]

You won't like. They won't know what to do.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dude, he's.

[Joe Rogan]

See what he's doing right now in Chicago. This is one of the funniest things ever. They are now saying they're going to look into taking gun rights away from transgender people. So what happens now is liberals have to get gun rights.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love it. I know. It's genius.

[Joe Rogan]

This is like the ultimate trap. This is like the ultimate trap. It's like, do they fall into the meme?

[Brian Callen]

And the guy sweating with the two buttons.

[Joe Rogan]

It'S like, first of all, he says things that he doesn't mean. Like, it's wild. When a president says, we're looking into taking away Rosie o' Donnell citizenship.

[Brendan Schaub]

You can't do that.

[Brian Callen]

I saw a meme yesterday. He was like, imagine Rosie O' Donnell moves to Ireland to escape Trump, and then McGregor just becomes the leader.

[Joe Rogan]

Very well might. He really might win.

[Eddie Bravo]

I saw some video he posted, like, campaigning for. It's at like 50 million views.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Apparently he has, like 60% in the poll.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wait, who's this?

[Joe Rogan]

Conor McGregor being the president of Ireland. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

You know that it's basically Arnold Schwarzenegger, but for. For us, for the ufc, you know, movie star.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Two time world champion. Now, if he becomes president, that's an actor.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, there's a. There's a real movement, you know, in. In England and in Ireland because of this sort of like, unchecked immigration.

[Brian Callen]

Well, dude, Elon's going off the. Off the chain too, too. Yeah, Elon's making posts like, you guys got to fight back.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah, man. Because people are getting arrested in England just for posting stuff on social media about it, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

They're. They are arresting thousands of people in England who was on my podcast. He left my podcast, went back to England, and they arrested.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, wow.

[Brendan Schaub]

I. I just had Tommy Robinson online. You know, Tommy Robinson is. Yeah, so he got arrested for the same thing for. For a documentary, and I just had him on.

[Joe Rogan]

He got arrested for a documentary?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes, dude. He did 18 months.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Brendan Schaub]

He just got out. He just did the.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the documentary about?

[Brendan Schaub]

It was basically about his hometown, which he grew up to. It started out with one mosque, and now there are 49 in his hometown of Lutton, I think it's called Luton. And basically just talking about the grooming gangs and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

So it is crazy what they're doing. Immigration.

[Brian Callen]

The hiking band.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

You can't go for climate change. You're not allowed to go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Kidding me.

[Brian Callen]

I watched a video yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

They find you 28,000 doll.

[Eddie Bravo]

A veteran of.

[Brian Callen]

A veteran, like, takes a video like, hey, I'm with the guys here. Not on camera, because we're not allowed to record them. But they said that if I walk into the woods here, I'm gonna get a 28, 000 fine.

[Brendan Schaub]

Are you?

[Brian Callen]

So he takes a video of him. He walks three feet into the woods, walks out, and then he's. There's a video of him at the desk saying it's a 28, 000. It was like a 25, 000 fine plus, like $3,000 in, like, taxes and victim fees.

[Brendan Schaub]

Canada's so full of. Canada's such a mess.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they are what we can be if we're not careful. If you have the wrong People run the country. Omar, if all these tights, I mean, if it got to a point where some of these people. If you took away the natural born citizenship thing, like if you could be a president and never born in America, we'd be fucked.

[Eddie Bravo]

Super fucked.

[Joe Rogan]

We'd be fucked. Because we're already fucked. When they become mayors and when they become governed, if they, if that starts happening, you're just going to import people from all over the world and they're going to take whatever their country is and make that state it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Let me ask you this. Is it true that when you have. So if you have a bunch of illegal immigrants in your town down, your, your, Your census numbers go up?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

So.

[Joe Rogan]

So congressional seats, Right. So the way it works is the census only counts how many human beings. It doesn't count how many illegal. No, it doesn't care. It doesn't matter. So that's why they were moving people in with buses. So that's why they moved all these people to swing states. So you're basically rigging these areas and then they were trying to offer a pathway to citizenship and allow those people to vote, which would have completely rigged all the swing states.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, Elon talked about it pretty extensively and documented it. It's a real thing. And people push back about it. It's a dangerous conspiracy theory. But it's not because the census counts people. And the more people you have, the more congressional seats you get. If they just eliminated that, the Democrats would be cooked. If. I don't know if that's even legal, though. I think constitutionally, it's basically the way it's set up. It's supposed to be the amount of people. It's not supposed to be the amount of legal citizens, which it should be. Congressional seats. I mean, come on. It's crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Think it should be citizens.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially when you're just opening up the border and you allowed 20 million people to come in over a period of four years.

[Brian Callen]

That is, that is a massive percentage of the population of the United States.

[Joe Rogan]

It's nuts.

[Brian Callen]

Like 20. 20 million people. I was like, it's so a huge percentage of the original population.

[Brendan Schaub]

Tommy Robinson told me 43%. I don't know if this is true, but I think it's something like 43% of the immigrants that come into the UK and I think in Europe in general are on the door dole, but especially in the uk, so they're on the dole. They're literally on welfare.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brendan Schaub]

And. And the main problem is that a Lot of these people from certain countries don't assimilate.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because they are, you know, Islamic first, and then, you know. And essentially the whole idea is to get a caliphate and create a caliphate in the uk, which is insane.

[Joe Rogan]

While they're doing it. That's what's really insane is that they're doing it. But the thing is, like, who's allowing this to happen and what's the end goal?

[Brian Callen]

Did you see the new ladies just the. Just got elected in the UK for, like. For, like, Border Patrol, and it's just like, her with Arabic or farsy or whatever it is written behind her.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. She wants Sharia law. Like, it's. It's completely bananas.

[Brendan Schaub]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this is the problem.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's like, you want to assimilate, great. Doesn't matter where you're from, what your religion, who cares? But if you want to start overthrowing the very country that you're immigrating into, make. I mean.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's. That's the problem is if you say.

[Eddie Bravo]

Something against it, then, oh, you're racist.

[Joe Rogan]

Conversation with Constantine.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'm not racist. Racist. I grew up in the Arab world. I'm the farthest thing from. I love. I grew up with the Arabs and. And Muslims, so don't. You can't call me that. But that's crazy. Yeah. Everybody. Every race. Here's the difference, though. Can I just say this?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

The biggest thing that the left does is this. You. You say there's a problem, which is a legit problem. You say, you know, London's now minority country. There. There's. There are these young Muslim men, for example, who are not assimilating and are becoming militant and fundamentalist. Okay. You say something like that. What then a leftist will say is they'll go. Instead of, like, debating that issue, which is a problem, you're just stating a problem. Okay. They will say, oh, you're. You're Islamophobic, you're xenophobic, and you're racist. So they. They. They diagnose you. They kind of. They. I'm stealing this from Nick Fritas, by the way. So shout out to Nick Fritz. But that's what they'll do. They'll. They'll diagnose the person and their personality and their character. Not. They'll step outside of the debate.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

So you can't have a conversation with people like that. That.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you can't.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'm not. I'm just.

[Brian Callen]

But that's why it's scary, though, is because there's no talking point there's like, there's no common ground that you can discuss. You can't agree on anything.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Brian Callen]

So it's like if I'm over here and you're over here and we both can't meet somewhere in the middle.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Brian Callen]

Men can't get pregnant.

[Brendan Schaub]

Exactly.

[Brian Callen]

At some point you just have to fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. Because I'm gonna stop and call you a transphobe, turn my back, got a.

[Brian Callen]

Divorce, or you have to, you have to fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you think that this is on purpose? I think it's keep each other at each other's throats.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

It's to keep us in chaos so that they can implement more control and it's worth working. Yeah. Well, is it?

[Brendan Schaub]

Or are we starting to get wise to the fact that we're all being game?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a battle. Yeah, it's a battle, but it's working.

[Eddie Bravo]

Wise to it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's where it's working on a lot of people. There's a lot of people that are just falling right in, they're falling right in line and you know, and if you tell them that they're homophobic or xenophobic or transphobic, they'll do whatever the fuck they can to avoid that label. And so then they fall right into your trap.

[Brendan Schaub]

Although Trump did get elected and it seems like the, that that argument by the by the left is starting to lose a lot of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it only, he only elected by half the country. Right. The other half the country didn't want him.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's a lot of people.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a lot of people. So it worked on a lot of people. They were in the process of implementing a plan and that plan, if it worked, would have made this country a one party state.

[Brendan Schaub]

But disliking Trump and disliking those policies are two different things. Right. So there are people that are conservative who don't like Trump. There are people that are moderate Democrats or Republicans who don't like Trump. My question is, you would know this better. How much of this stuff online is real? Is real bots? How much?

[Joe Rogan]

Huge percentage.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Brian Callen]

Still is like the opposite of real life.

[Joe Rogan]

An FBI analyst said as money is, 80% of the people that are posting on Twitter are bots.

[Brendan Schaub]

What?

[Eddie Bravo]

Posting what though?

[Joe Rogan]

Just political, all kinds of stuff. Every climate, politics, race, gender. There was that China just got busted using chat GPT to run a host of different accounts, a bunch of different accounts that were all posting about USA, USA being shut down. They were posting about LBGTQ +TA, whatever the issues divide us more. Just divide us more.

[Brendan Schaub]

So Brian Shaw told me that he posted a picture of him and Jordan Peterson. He always gets the love, you know, he's a strong man. And he said that he was getting all this, like, immediately. Just all these comments that were like, how could you do this? And stuff like that. Then he go to the profile and.

[Joe Rogan]

Be like, this is.

[Brendan Schaub]

This doesn't feel like it's real.

[Joe Rogan]

No, not a real person.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's not a real person.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a giant percentage on Instagram, a giant percentage on Facebook and on Twitter that are not real. And it's legal. And you can do it. And I bet we do it too. I bet corporations do it. I bet human. You can crowdfund, by the way, on purpose. Like say if Brian Callan, if you. Like, you hated Brendan Schaub. It shouldn't be the fighter in the kid. It should be the kid and the kid.

[Brendan Schaub]

Just me.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody agrees you can literally. You could literally go to a company and have them attack Brendan Schaub and you would pay for it. And they would use their before on me. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Well, it's been. It can be done on anyone. That's the point is like any. Whatever your goal is, say, let's get rid of all red lights. No more. No more traffic lights. You could do that. You could have whatever the you want. Have a bunch of fake people protest.

[Eddie Bravo]

What a waste of time.

[Brian Callen]

You know, you can't do.

[Joe Rogan]

But it's not really. It's not really. Well, I guess it does with dumb people.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Especially if have a country doing it. Like China can do it to us, so we can't do it to them.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. We can't get into their system.

[Brian Callen]

Like, they just. They, they. They have whatever they want. The people know.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, well, we're.

[Brian Callen]

They run their own propaganda and they run it against us, which that might.

[Joe Rogan]

Be the least of our problems. We let them buy land around military bases.

[Eddie Bravo]

They own a ton of land.

[Brendan Schaub]

My friend had his company attacked that way.

[Brian Callen]

The biggest issue with China is definitely AI. Yeah, that the AI is like the next benefit.

[Eddie Bravo]

But those two dudes you had on here with AI, they're saying we're actually still a step ahead of the them.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if they know.

[Eddie Bravo]

Did I summarize?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they said that at the time. But I don't know if they know because here's the thing. They steal all the data from Open AI. They steal data from like Grok. Just got infiltrated by this guy who stole Their allegedly. And then sold it to open AI and OpenAI got infiltrated allegedly by China. Like these. You've got all these Chinese nationals that are over here working.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that's. They're in the air.

[Brian Callen]

Labs and technicians.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're Chinese nationals.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Because remember when we had Tulsa, this.

[Brian Callen]

Was like the biggest problem. Yeah. Facing for sure.

[Eddie Bravo]

100. Because we had Tulsi Gabbard on the podcast. When I was like, yeah, Russian. What I say Russian hackers. I kept talking about Russian hackers. And she's like, hey, off the air, she's like, just so you know, we're better at hacking than they are. Oh yeah, we have better hackers. So this whole thing keep talking about with Russians. I know I kept saying Russians. She was like, america's actually has way better people to hack all that.

[Brendan Schaub]

But it's an arms race. It's a. It's a. It's an AI race.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The thing is, they're all together. It's the government with the corporations in China. They're all in lockstep. They're not like in battle with their corporations.

[Brendan Schaub]

Corporations, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

They tried that over here with Facebook. Like when Facebook, when they. The FBI clamped down on them, told them to get rid of the Hunter Biden laptop story. They did it. Well, they didn't at Facebook, they kind of limited the reach. But Twitter, they completely blocked it. But the other thing that they did was they told them to get rid of factual information about COVID Factual information. The government was contacting Zuckerberg. I think that is because they didn't want vaccine hesitancy because they wanted to make more money.

[Eddie Bravo]

Gotta get money.

[Brendan Schaub]

Or was it. Did they believe that the vaccine was saving lives?

[Brian Callen]

Money for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Money.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Look at you. You're so cute. They just want to save lives.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's still one of those. No, Brian's still one of those guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

I really.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not a goddamn thing the government does for you, for you. Make your life better. Everything they do is to either get elected, raise more money, campaign like more. More. More money. Like raising money for causes.

[Brian Callen]

Their own agency in the UK now they're like, they're like, we're going to deal. We have a. We have a solution to deal with mass immigration. We're going to digital IDs. So it's like they created an issue and then they're. And they're going to give you a solution to give them more control.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why my thing is how much F down.

[Brendan Schaub]

But what you just said. What you just said about the government, whether it's true or not. That's a very important thing to keep in to believe.

[Joe Rogan]

I had Representative Luna on the podcast. You know what she said to me? We were talking about certain issues. She goes, they don't want to resolve those issues because they could fundraise against them.

[Brendan Schaub]

Of course. How about.

[Joe Rogan]

So they literally don't. They don't reach resolutions.

[Eddie Bravo]

But my question, Joe, is how much money do they need? Like, well, they always need new money every week. But my thing is like Pelosi, like, how much money is that big heavy have. She has the biggest.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like almost.

[Brian Callen]

It's like a half a billion. Half a billion.

[Joe Rogan]

And she just keeps going. 400 million.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, well, that's her husband. I mean, he's. He's a, he's a. He's always been an investor, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but the way he's doing his insider trade.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right. It doesn't mean it's not. It doesn't mean it's all on the up and up, obviously, you know, But.

[Eddie Bravo]

I'm just saying how, how much. How long does she need to go?

[Brendan Schaub]

The answer to that is that government will continue to grow like a leviathan. And does. What does it do?

[Brian Callen]

Well, that's why they want two party. So here. They want. No. No common talking ground between the two parties. So we just keep fighting.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, that might be good. You want government to fight each other. Right. You want, you want this divide and conquer thing. So government moves at a glacial pace. That would be the idea, but. Right.

[Brian Callen]

The government is the issue.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Remember when Elon was trying to start the American. The American wing. Remember that? He started like, not Democrat.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Third party is never really. It's hard.

[Joe Rogan]

First of all, I don't think you're allowed to name it. I think we looked into that. You're not allowed to name your party the America Party Party. Because that's fair. You can't call it America because then if you go against it, you're going against America.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's fair. That's like the patri. The genius of the Patriot act was.

[Brian Callen]

Plus, I understand what, what Elon's going to do. I don't know how that's going to work in effect, like if he, if he starts another party.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, there we go. It's back.

[Brendan Schaub]

Here we go.

[Eddie Bravo]

UFC's leaving ESPN. ESPN said, why don't you guys hit right there?

[Brendan Schaub]

Has he got staff on his teeth?

[Joe Rogan]

Looks like a person bruise.

[Brian Callen]

He's got something, but big toe to the titty doesn't look like Steph?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brian Callen]

Staff is usually raised. It just looks kind of red. It doesn't really look raised from here, but I can't tell.

[Joe Rogan]

The worst one ever was Kevin Lee. Remember Kevin Lee went to the, like, this welt.

[Brian Callen]

He had, like, makeup on it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Was that when he fought Tony? Was it that fight?

[Joe Rogan]

That could be anything. That doesn't look raised though, dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

How about Tony got a win the other night?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Eddie Bravo]

Thank God.

[Brendan Schaub]

YouTuber. I heard that staff doesn't come from the mat. It comes from the person you're rolling with. Is this.

[Joe Rogan]

What's up, Jamie? Oh, that is staff.

[Eddie Bravo]

That staff.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's 100 staff.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's not.

[Eddie Bravo]

See the little white head up top?

[Brendan Schaub]

Surprisingly.

[Brian Callen]

But if you're an antibiotics, I think it's 24, 36 hours. You're not contagious anymore.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's just gonna drain your cardio.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How effective is topical solutions on something like that? So you have to take systemic, like, antibody.

[Brian Callen]

I actually just had SAF like, a month ago.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course you did. You've had it a thousand times.

[Brian Callen]

And I was like. And I actually. I actually use fucking grok to help me cure it without antibiotics.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[Brian Callen]

So I had it on my back and I put. I put the topical clindamycin pad and there's like liquid clindamycin that you can like just rub on there. And there's a pad. So I. I douse the pad in clindamycin and I taped the clindamycin pad to my back and then I broke one of those heating pads.

[Joe Rogan]

Pads.

[Brian Callen]

And I put. I taped the heating pads my back. Because, staff, once you start getting above body temperature, it doesn't replicate. Yeah. Like, it. Yeah. I think it dies like 140, 150 degrees somewhere around there.

[Joe Rogan]

So. Getting a sauna.

[Brian Callen]

But yeah. The problem is that you have to. That's sustained over time. Like, you can't sit in 150 degree sauna for 24 hours.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right.

[Brian Callen]

So I kept the heating pad on there and I would just change it like five, six times a day, change the pad, and it went away in like two weeks. Took a little bit longer, but I didn't have to take any or.

[Brendan Schaub]

How's your stomach?

[Brian Callen]

I'm like, wow, I wish I could. I wish I could. I knew this 10 years ago before I ruined my life.

[Brendan Schaub]

How's your time?

[Brian Callen]

Terrible.

[Brendan Schaub]

It is still.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

I haven't been able to do like a hard session since, like early 2024.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn.

[Brian Callen]

I just start dry heaving every time My heart rate goes up. So I'm just like a skinny fat guy now.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so nice.

[Eddie Bravo]

Jesus Christ, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you tried fasting? Have you ever tried that?

[Brian Callen]

I've been forced fasted. Like, I just haven't been able to eat for two weeks and like.

[Joe Rogan]

You haven't eaten anything in two weeks or just a little bit?

[Brian Callen]

Like, just nothing. I just wasn't able to eat, like.

[Eddie Bravo]

Just could only drink water.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, I was like, before I fought Roberto Gymnas, I actually had to go to the hospital cuz I couldn't drink water or eat for two weeks. And I was like in the hospital like three days before.

[Brendan Schaub]

You couldn't drink water?

[Brian Callen]

No, just like too nauseous to get anything. Keep anything.

[Joe Rogan]

That is so nuts.

[Brian Callen]

So I just like went to the hospital, got an IV and then like flew to go compete.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, here we go. What do we got here? Sola and McKee.

[Brian Callen]

You gotta get at least one of them a nickname now. I feel like we're.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that guy who. So McKee is the guy with the tattoos? Yep.

[Eddie Bravo]

Solo's gonna be a big fan favorite because he's a champion in a lower league out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, is he? Yep.

[Eddie Bravo]

They put a bunch of those cats on him.

[Joe Rogan]

So Paris didn't. Our friends didn't even have MMA till reason, really. Fairly recently. Right? Like 10 years ago.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because when Francis was over there, he. There was no mma. Yeah, you couldn't fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then finally they got pfl, did events in Africa and he didn't show.

[Joe Rogan]

Up.

[Eddie Bravo]

Because he said they didn't use any, like, regional guys.

[Joe Rogan]

That's why he wouldn't show up. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

He was like, no, you didn't use any of my guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think there's a chance.

[Brian Callen]

Oh.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, nice shot.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think there's a chance Francis comes back to the UFC now.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think there is.

[Eddie Bravo]

Why you say that.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think Dana wants that.

[Eddie Bravo]

All right, well, you.

[Joe Rogan]

Dana had a bad experience with him, didn't enjoy working with him.

[Brian Callen]

Oh, but.

[Eddie Bravo]

But you don't think there's a chance some of the. Some of the other shot callers there go, dude, we can get him back.

[Joe Rogan]

Him versus John, him versus at the White House. Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Do you think John on the White House card?

[Eddie Bravo]

I think John does the White House.

[Brendan Schaub]

I bet not.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dana goes. They go, what's the chance? He goes one in billion.

[Joe Rogan]

Did he really say that?

[Eddie Bravo]

He's one in a billion. I saw that John responded with a great answer.

[Joe Rogan]

He did have a saying There's a chance.

[Eddie Bravo]

You're saying there's chance? You guys, I'm a 1 billion guy. I'll take those chances.

[Brian Callen]

That's exactly what I thought when I said when I saw it. And I was like. I was like, oh, so there's a chance.

[Brendan Schaub]

Caught.

[Joe Rogan]

Good news is John's most recent case has been dropped.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is excellent.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. He wasn't even there, apparently. I don't know. I only go with what good. What my phone says. All right.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I. I think I'm all.

[Brendan Schaub]

I mean, I'm always with my phone.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, I think there should be a place. I think there should be a place in this country that has no law. One city, just one city with no law.

[Brendan Schaub]

Let's go to Mexico.

[Joe Rogan]

Just maybe it's Albuquerque. Just one place with no law. Law just like. Or maybe like a little gray area in between the states.

[Brian Callen]

What about The Purge? Just 24 hours where there's just one.

[Joe Rogan]

Place where you could just get buck wild.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, you can go down to Tijuana, dude. You can just like go to Mexico. I mean, but Ed Calderon, I was listening to that podcast.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a crazy podcast.

[Brendan Schaub]

That dude has seen it all. I. I can't imagine what he's actually seen.

[Joe Rogan]

37 assassinations in the last Mexican elections.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, but they all dab. But. But all. But all those politicians, they dabble with the cartel, so it's not like, oh.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no, no. They're not dabbling. They are all cartel members.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's what I'm saying.

[Brian Callen]

That's why these two happen in Germany.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. They're all involved.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Seven.

[Brian Callen]

Seven of the right wing cabinets had just been. Had just died.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Then I looked into it. There's no foul play here. I'm like, but that's seven. That's a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

No foul play.

[Eddie Bravo]

But my thing, when you had Ed on a, I'm never going to Mexico again, but B, never.

[Brendan Schaub]

Terrifying.

[Eddie Bravo]

Never. But B, too. I sent my wife that. She wants to take the kids to Mexico because she's from there. That's never happening.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And so I sent to that podcast. But when he was like, yeah, Trump's, you know, they have the drones, like, kind of following the cartel and all that to get information on, like, he's going to. They're going to do something to send people in there. But when he was saying the cartels, like in the government, in the police units, they're everywhere. It's like, okay, so you're going to take out the henchmen that does nothing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well said.

[Eddie Bravo]

So, so, so my, my summarization of that podcast was, was like, oh, well, Mexico is. There's nothing you can do. You're never gonna get rid of it. It's too ingrained in the community.

[Brendan Schaub]

Kelly, look what Bukele did.

[Brian Callen]

He treated it like it was ingrained here. Like when you go to Afghanistan, like we're so far separated that it's not really like there's no saving it. Like the cartel can come up here and with us.

[Eddie Bravo]

Correct.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, Calderon said the only way to deal with it is treat it like it's an insurgency. And, and you know, when they had that conservative guy in charge, they actually, actually, they actually did a lot to cripple the cartels. But unless you treat it like an actual civil war where you got to treat it like this is a real insurgency.

[Joe Rogan]

So much money they can. They buy so many politicians, they buy so many people. It's so difficult to beat them at this point because we let it get so too far.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Mexico let it get so bad that too far when you have 37 people get assassinated in one election.

[Brendan Schaub]

So hard.

[Eddie Bravo]

But how's that not on if CNN wants to break some news, how's that not on the tracker at all?

[Joe Rogan]

No, you have to hear it from me.

[Brendan Schaub]

You have to hear it. Did you hear, did you hear this? This influencer, this tick tock influencer killed her, her husband and her 7 year old and 13 year old wrapped him in plastic and put him in a, in a truck. Did you hear about this? No, this is a week ago.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, but see, that's what I'm saying.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then the two guys, the husband was doing something.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And the two guys that, that the cops brought in were witnesses to it. They got kidnapped. That.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Brendan Schaub]

But get out of the prosecutor.

[Eddie Bravo]

But then I'd say like 91 of murders go unsolved.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Everything's just a cold case.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know, dude. I think any, any if you're the.

[Eddie Bravo]

9% that gets busted, you can walk.

[Brendan Schaub]

There.

[Joe Rogan]

You can just walk there. You can walk right into chaos.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

From here you can get there in a day.

[Brendan Schaub]

But if you're a tourist, a lot of times they'll leave you alone.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Five hour drive, dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

When I was living in California, I had my Ford Lightning and there's a shop down there that makes carbon fiber parts for lightnings. I was like, I'll just go pick it up. I drove down there and the guy working the, the custom goes. What are you doing? What are you doing? What do you mean, man? I'm here to pick up some car parts. He goes, listen, we knew you were coming because you posted you're coming down here. We knew you're coming. And we're good. And we're fans, we're good. We're good guys. But if we know you're coming, the bad guys know you're coming. He's like, don't come back here, man. I'm like, really? He's like, don't come back. He's like, you're in a loud orange Ford Lightning and you're posting. You're coming down here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Don't do that.

[Eddie Bravo]

Worth it, was it? Ah, no. I mean, it's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

This carbon fiber fenders are tough to find.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who would run for mayor?

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. From 2018 to mid 2024 17, nine murders, attacks and threats were reported against politicians and officials. That is crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Who's going to run for 37?

[Brendan Schaub]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Some people just eat, disappear.

[Eddie Bravo]

You think at 27 the guy like this dude?

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, Calderon said the people are getting so sick of it. I. I think ultimately there becomes this.

[Eddie Bravo]

What are they going to do?

[Brendan Schaub]

A revolt? The population, arms itself.

[Eddie Bravo]

And do what?

[Joe Rogan]

Get shot?

[Brian Callen]

They're so organized, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're. They're literally like military, military weaponry.

[Brendan Schaub]

And they have night vision. They have armies. I mean, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you gonna do?

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know.

[Eddie Bravo]

A revolt. And do what? Get murdered?

[Brendan Schaub]

I think, I think you're gonna see more of that. What that happened, that Venezuelan boat that just got taken out in the middle of the water.

[Joe Rogan]

I was seeing people saying that that wasn't a cartel thing and that what Donald Trump has committed is a war crime. He blew up people from Venezuela for no reason. You don't think they know that this, this boat filled with tape, dump up satchels.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. And Maduro. I can't believe that, that the Justice Department said Maduro, we have a reward for his arrest.

[Joe Rogan]

$50 million.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's.

[Joe Rogan]

They put $50 million on the president's head.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's setting something up. They're setting something up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. There must be some gold in them there hills.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I got a feeling. I got a feeling we got some. Some pretty. Some badasses kind of already down there.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, probably. There's probably also something.

[Eddie Bravo]

I mean, between Mexico and Canada, it's just a show.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but Canada is like so much safer.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes, Canada. You have your job, you have your reputation destroyed in, In Mexico, they kill your whole family. It's kind of a difference.

[Joe Rogan]

One of 20 people in Canada is assisted suicide.

[Eddie Bravo]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. One in 20.

[Eddie Bravo]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I'll send. I'll send it to Jamie so he could post it. It is so crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

In other news. Did you see that? Roy Jones Jr.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wasn't that. Wasn't that cool?

[Joe Rogan]

Heartwarming.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was so amazing. The.

[Eddie Bravo]

The guy, they gave him his gold medal.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Korean guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Who.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who got beat. I love that.

[Joe Rogan]

It was heartwarming. It was really cool.

[Brendan Schaub]

I got emotional over it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because there it is. Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths. Okay. What?

[Brendan Schaub]

That's how. That's how depressed they are.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're doing it for people that are depressed. They're doing it for people. Oh, you hurt your knee.

[Brian Callen]

Look, I'm not allowed to hike anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. They killed 15,300 people last year.

[Brendan Schaub]

What a shit show.

[Joe Rogan]

What a. Legalized in 2016, but it showed around 15. 3, 300 people underwent assisted dying last year.

[Eddie Bravo]

Median age is 77, though, after being.

[Joe Rogan]

Successful in their applications. Yeah, the median age is 77. I kind of get that.

[Brian Callen]

So you can just do it for any reason.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. Yeah. Small minority of other cases, patients may not have been terminally ill but sought assisted death due to long, long and complicated illness that had significantly impact their quality of life. Well, it really makes you think, like, what percentage of people are just suffering where life just blows? Probably quite a bit.

[Eddie Bravo]

And. And are they doing it in those tanks? They doing those, like, weird.

[Joe Rogan]

They should probably do it.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. You seen those?

[Eddie Bravo]

They look pretty nice.

[Joe Rogan]

They do in Oregon. Every time you could get a suicide in Oregon.

[Eddie Bravo]

Never tell you how they put them down. Do we know?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Brian Callen]

IV or is it gas, sir?

[Eddie Bravo]

Because there's a place in Sweden, I watch a documentary on it. He kind of just jumped in this little like alien ship looking thing and just came over cook you. He had his last meal with his wife. I was like, all right, see you.

[Brendan Schaub]

On the other side. And just out B, you and I were talking on suicide one time and I was like, I can't understand how anybody would do it. And a guy who. I would come to my shows periodically and he'd give me, like, he made knives and stuff. And he. He emailed me and he goes, just so you know, know, I'll give you an idea of what it's like when you contemplate suicide. I was like, okay. And he goes, you ever. If you ever been in A sauna, and you can't stand another second. You got to get out because it's just too hot. Think of being that with no doors all the time for your whole life. Yeah. And I was like, holy.

[Eddie Bravo]

And did he do it or no?

[Brendan Schaub]

He tried twice, I guess, and now he's better.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, think about the kind of pain that Bisping must have been in because of his neck, you know? Know.

[Eddie Bravo]

But Bisping's a guy. I bet you he didn't even consider it.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no.

[Eddie Bravo]

There's a difference.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he's probably trying to line up a fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Think about Gordon. Think of the he deals with.

[Joe Rogan]

If anyone still winning, you know what I'm saying?

[Brian Callen]

Being seasick 24 7.

[Joe Rogan]

Can't understand how no one can figure out how to fix what's wrong.

[Brian Callen]

Well, they. I mean, the issue is that they know what the issue are, but what the issues is. And they're just like, we're going to try to reset your gut b. I'm like, sweet. What's like the like, agreed upon baseline homeostasis for, like, what your gut biome is supposed to be? They're like, we don't know. There is. It's different for every person.

[Joe Rogan]

So let's just eat nothing but kimchi for a year and see what's.

[Brian Callen]

I could do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Or I could just kill myself.

[Brendan Schaub]

Don't do that.

[Eddie Bravo]

God. Biome.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. That's like a fif. Kanoon. And he's got that clinic because everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Always wondered, like, what happens if you take antibiotics? Too much much. There you go. Now we know. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Remember in my psoriasis, you remember seeing how covered I was? And then Andy Galvin and Dan Garner.

[Joe Rogan]

Why are you laughing? You're such a piece of.

[Brendan Schaub]

But I can't. I just. I know.

[Eddie Bravo]

Get his face.

[Brian Callen]

It's like when. Who was a Bobby Lee was like, I was brutally molested. Yeah. I just started crying.

[Joe Rogan]

Died by a Down syndrome guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

He goes, all right, I'm gonna say this again. If you. If you guys laugh and change. And he goes viciously. When I was.

[Eddie Bravo]

You can't just avoid him.

[Brendan Schaub]

I was brutally molested. I'm like, dude, you don't say brutally, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing about Bobby is, like, Bobby might have been making that story up.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was. Cuz he was every time funny.

[Eddie Bravo]

I was laughing because every time he got worse and worse and worse.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was one of the funniest people ever.

[Joe Rogan]

He's funny as. He's one of the funniest people ever. Very funny.

[Brendan Schaub]

I miss.

[Eddie Bravo]

Miss him so Santino, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Will Bobby not talk to you anymore?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, we texted. We're good.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting.

[Brendan Schaub]

But I missed, like, three years ago. No, no, but text.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, on a regular basis.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, I said, we. We made up, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

He had said he told somebody to say hi to me, and then I said, hey, you know, I heard. And I said. He goes, how are you? I go, I'm. I'm good and eternally sorry. And he goes, we're good. And, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's cool.

[Eddie Bravo]

See at the mothership.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good fight. Lopez Diego Lopez. That's next weekend again.

[Eddie Bravo]

Does Bobby come to the mothership much?

[Joe Rogan]

He's been there, yeah. I mean, he comes when he's in town. I tried to get him to move here. I'm never moving to Austin. But when he was here, he met some nice ladies. Tim.

[Eddie Bravo]

Tim Dillon's take on Austin's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

It's funny.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's so funny. He's like. There's, like, two good restaurants I've been to multiple times.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's no live music scene. It's six buskers on heroin.

[Joe Rogan]

Time. He was here last week. He's going to be here again this week.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, he's the.

[Joe Rogan]

You see, he owns two houses here. Yeah, he's just nuts. He's very funny.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's just being silly.

[Brendan Schaub]

So funny.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then they write articles on it.

[Joe Rogan]

What's really funny is that. That it became like a whole thing. Like the. The movements leaving Austin, the. The shine has worn off.

[Eddie Bravo]

It. It quoted me, Shane Gillis, and. And Tim Dillon saying how much we hated Austin. I just said, I miss the baseball dads in la. That's all I said.

[Joe Rogan]

Man, that's hilarious.

[Eddie Bravo]

I love it here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I. I used to miss the Comedy Store. Until I opened the Mothership. That was all I missed. I love everything else about Austin. I have no problems here.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'd like them to clean up some of that homeless, though, compared to la, yeah, it's pretty bad on six, where.

[Joe Rogan]

First of all, what are you doing on six other than go to the club and get out of the club?

[Brendan Schaub]

I do.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

I got a problem with a dead rabbit sometimes. That's the problem. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

That shelter's right there, which is so deep nuts. You get some people that are homeless.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Trying to get clean. And where do you put their shelter? A block away from the biggest party.

[Brendan Schaub]

Street in all of Texas.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. It's so dumb.

[Eddie Bravo]

I'll be honest. I haven't seen. Because I'm not. I haven't been down to Six. At all. I haven't seen a single homeless person.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're very centrally located. Yeah, it's all six street.

[Eddie Bravo]

And I'm in like, I'm like a weird bubble where it's like Pleasantville. It's just. There's no danger and I don't like, like it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at this, look at this, look at this. This is a matter of time.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it. Herb Dean. Seen enough?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that guy, that guy was just, he was just.

[Brian Callen]

Did you see? I feel like this can't even be real, but it, it might be. Did you see they just opened a 65 million dollar transgender homeless shelter in New York?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, how does that mean? How many, how many people are transgender?

[Brian Callen]

I saw, I saw it. We could be factor.

[Eddie Bravo]

There's three people in there.

[Joe Rogan]

But. Well, mom, Donnie is saying that he wants to set it up where people can go there and get snipped for free.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's going to win, huh?

[Joe Rogan]

Hopefully.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. To watch. To watch New York try to experiment with a socialist again.

[Brian Callen]

I heard an interesting, I heard an interesting take yesterday where apparently a lot of the rather than a lot of the super rich people in New York actually want them to win. So they're like, yeah, go ahead. Fucking. We're not going to be affected. Yeah, you guys fucking. See how it goes.

[Joe Rogan]

City opens first Taxpayer funded transgender homeless Celtics progr. Progressive political theater. That is adorable. 150 beds for trans and gender non conforming individuals. Nowhere to sleep.

[Eddie Bravo]

Those are expensive.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, that is really Wild nations first. What is gender non conforming? Do you get to choose if you're gender non conforming? What if I just decide I'm gender non conforming? I think all I have to do is just say it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If I just say I'm gender non conforming though. Okay.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well that's what's new about that transgender movement. It's rooted in what a fear feeling. It's not really. So you can be a minority and a minority on the same level or even bigger than a black man. Ask Dave Chappelle, because you feel like one.

[Eddie Bravo]

You know, it's weird though. Have your daughters are older. Have your kids actually like when that transgender shooter. The just. Was that last week.

[Joe Rogan]

The mass shooter. Seven of them in a row.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, I'm saying this last one, it's all over the news. We had the news on when my kids asked me about it because kids kind of have a better understanding. Understanding meaning it's very black and white where they're like, wait, dad, he's a. Or She's a girl.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's a guy, right?

[Eddie Bravo]

He's like. But she thought she was a girl. I'm like, she felt like it, but she's a man. He's like, oh, that makes it. There's no. The lines are.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing is, in the manifesto, this guy said that he regrets going trans and he doesn't want to chop his hair off. Even though he hates his hair. He doesn't want to chop it off because he'd be like, giving in to all the people that said he wasn't really a woman in the first place, but he regrets ever doing it in the first place.

[Brendan Schaub]

Here's my. Here's my take on it. It's not about transgender people being more violent has nothing to do with that. There are people that are completely out of their minds, and one of the manifestations of that is to decide that you're a different gender.

[Joe Rogan]

Gender dysphoria.

[Brendan Schaub]

So. So what happens is. But now when you stigmatize that, when you say you're not even allowed to talk to somebody, but maybe they might be a little confused because that's considered conversion therapy therapy, what happens is you're now lumping those two things in, whereas.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Brendan Schaub]

So, in other words, you, this kid.

[Joe Rogan]

No. 1 is not allowed to talk to someone about being confused about their gender.

[Brendan Schaub]

No.

[Eddie Bravo]

So they're saying you don't have to tell your parents.

[Brendan Schaub]

No. So. So there are. There are there. There was in California, there was legislation presented in a number of states which said when a child says, I feel like a girl, but I'm a boy, and a psychiatrist decide. Tries to treat that. That as an abnormality or a mental illness or a confusion. Are you saying that you can. There is your license. Yes, you can lose your license. Why? Because Miriam Grossman, I had her on, she wrote transnation, I think, and. And that can be considered malpractice, and you can get sued and lose your. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So then the real problem is the psychiatric drugs, because they're all.

[Brendan Schaub]

There you go. And what I'm saying is that if you might have a kid who's profoundly disturbed in a. In a number of ways, one of the manifestations of that is saying, I'm now a girl or whatever it is, that should be a signal maybe many times that your kid is not well. And let's take a look at what the. Is going on. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

If you say that, then you're anti trans.

[Brendan Schaub]

Of course, that's what I would. That's what goes Back to what I'm saying.

[Eddie Bravo]

How many mass shooters have we had? Clearly there's a issue issue, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Eddie Bravo]

There's an issue.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Eddie Bravo]

Doesn't mean all trans people are bad. But these mass shooters that. We got to figure it out. Can't keep going down this road.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'm getting in touch with my feminine.

[Joe Rogan]

I say we just keep going down this road.

[Brendan Schaub]

We don't have a choice.

[Joe Rogan]

As long as we disarm them all this is what they're gonna do.

[Brendan Schaub]

I can't wait. I can't wait to see the. The left defend.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't wait. Yeah, I'm gonna open up a transgender gun club in Austin. It. Let's go. The left will never oppose me. If I just. Like I say, well, I'm going to open up a gun club only for transgender and non binary conforming people. Whatever.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's good.

[Joe Rogan]

Gender non conforming.

[Brendan Schaub]

Have you tried to have any of the really far left professors on your podcast?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I've had them in the past.

[Brendan Schaub]

Have you?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

How's that go?

[Joe Rogan]

Not so good.

[Brendan Schaub]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Yeah. I, I, Thaddeus Russell, I had a. I know that is very long and stupid conversation with him about the difference between men and women. There's no difference. And I'm like, so if you get a boy puppy. If you get a puppy and it's a boy puppy and you wanted a girl puppy and they say, well, there's no difference.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What the are you talking about? Like, this is the dumbest conversation.

[Brendan Schaub]

But at least daddy is the guy who'll have the debate. Most of the left won't even talk.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. But it's not a good one.

[Brian Callen]

You just talk in circles.

[Joe Rogan]

It's nonsense. It's nonsense.

[Brendan Schaub]

We talk in circles. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I thought we were on the same page. I was like, no way off. Yeah. You're saying nonsense.

[Eddie Bravo]

Does he have kids?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think he does. Or I'm not sure. I shouldn't say. I have no idea. But the bottom line is biology is really simple. Double X xy. Sometimes there's a mistake, sometimes there's an error, and you get xxy. Sometimes you get hermaphrodites. And. And there's sure that, that, that is a real thing, but it's super rare.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What this is is a social contagion. And Abigail Shrier wrote a fantastic book about it called Irreversible Damage that she highlights how they're happening in these clusters of a lot of girls who are autistic.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And let's get to the bottom. What's causing all that? How come 1 in every 12 kids who's a boy in California has autism now? Because that's what's going on. That's what's going on in California, which has one of the strictest fucking vaccine policies. Policies. 1 in 12. Did I say vaccines cause autism? Maybe I will.

[Eddie Bravo]

RFK is getting to that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And now Florida doesn't demand vaccines.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that's dangerous to me.

[Eddie Bravo]

I knew you'd jump on that train.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course it's dangerous, Brian. What are you talking about? You need to bail on the tetanus thing because Suzanne Humphrey. Suzanne Humphreys explained.

[Brendan Schaub]

Not a fact. I know that woman. Woman? What are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

So you're saying she's a medical doctor that absolutely understands tetanus. She said tetanus. All you have to do is keep the wound open and clean it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's not.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not. Generally, people die of tetanus every year. Very few.

[Brendan Schaub]

So let me ask you a question, Mr. Joe Rogan, Mr. Scientists. Are you saying don't. We should.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't do that. Don't call me Mr.

[Brendan Schaub]

Scientist.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll start mocking you. And it's so much easier.

[Brendan Schaub]

So are we. Are we not? So you don't believe in vaccines? You don't think we should have vaccines?

[Joe Rogan]

It's not that I don't believe in vaccines. I don't think you should give a kid a hep B vaccine when they're a baby.

[Brendan Schaub]

Different subject.

[Joe Rogan]

No, mma. Vaccine is absolutely connected to a host of serious debilitating fucking problems that kids have gotten from them. There's a lot of problems because they don't test vaccines in a double blind, placebo, controlled setting. They test them against other vaccines. You know that, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes, I do. Excuse me, Let me just say something. Yes, you're right. You can make the argument for hep B. Here's why. Because the chances of a child coming in contact with the kind of activity that causes hep B is different.

[Joe Rogan]

Different sexually transmitted disease.

[Brendan Schaub]

So now you say this. You say this. That chance is 0. The chance for vaccine injury with the hep V B is not zero, is non zero. Okay, So I understand that math. Okay? What I'm trying to say to you is that there are certain diseases. Pick up a history book. Smallpox, diphtheria, mumps.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever looked at tetanus, polio, paralytic diseases? Have you ever. Polio?

[Brendan Schaub]

Please stop. You don't. I know you Think it's just. Humphreys.

[Joe Rogan]

This is. This is a long conversation that we're not going to have on this podcast because I'm going to get angry because I've researched this for years. Right, let's just.

[Brendan Schaub]

But you're not a scientist.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't have to be a scientist to know this. You do. No, Brian, shut the fuck up. I don't have to be a scientist to read research to understand that. They were spraying DDT all over the country when everybody was getting polio. Do you know that? You know the first instances of polio, they happen in rural communities where they're all farmland and agriculture culture. And then cows were getting them and horses were getting them and dogs were getting them.

[Brendan Schaub]

Let me make a statement.

[Joe Rogan]

They're calling it paralytic polio.

[Brendan Schaub]

Do you agree with the following statement? It's not.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not gonna do this with you.

[Brendan Schaub]

But it's not just about.

[Eddie Bravo]

I brought up that.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's not just gonna be a fun debate. Hold on, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

No, Brian, I don't want to do this.

[Brendan Schaub]

But it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

We're in the middle of a fight companion. It's annoying.

[Brendan Schaub]

All right. But it's like.

[Eddie Bravo]

Backs questioning why there's so many though.

[Joe Rogan]

My kids are all vaccinated and they're vaccinated. But they went on a delayed schedule. They delayed schedule.

[Brendan Schaub]

So did mine. So did.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not. Yeah. Good for you. I don't think you need to.

[Eddie Bravo]

No, they're healthy as.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Between the two of them have 12 touchdowns this week, two home runs.

[Joe Rogan]

I think the problem is that the pharmaceutical drug companies have an exemption because of what they did in the 1980s with Reagan where they allowed them to never worry about being sued. And that's when they ramped up the fucking schedule. And that's also the correlation when you look at all the fucking host of all sorts of diseases and issues.

[Eddie Bravo]

Just look at autism.

[Joe Rogan]

It's through. Autism is just one. There's a lot of other autoimmune issues. There's a lot of. There's a lot of like serious problems.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think there are three things that have pushed our us beyond our biology and the reason we don't have a lot of children dying in nutrition, sanitation and vaccines. And I think anybody who says otherwise is, you know, I think it's crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

But you can't say all vaccines be.

[Brendan Schaub]

I didn't say all vaccines. But he's not saying Very worried when.

[Eddie Bravo]

He'S not saying all vaccines.

[Brendan Schaub]

It sounds like he is.

[Joe Rogan]

Brian. You don't know what the I'm saying? You don't.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, I know because you're. You don't want to talk about it, Brad.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to talk about in the middle of a podcast because it'll completely derail the podcast. And I'll start showing you statistics. If you look at when people stop getting all of these diseases and then when the introduction of vaccines happened, it's at the end after the diseases already gone through the population, most of those diseases were eradicated by sanitation and nutrition. There was a huge problem in this country. People were living in fucking squalor.

[Brendan Schaub]

I agree. But there's still pathogens that are very dangerous.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure there are. So the problem is that these pharmaceutical drug companies are fucking insanely, entirely corrupt. They have been corrupt for a long fucking time. And there's a revolving door between the FDA and these pharmaceutical drug corporations. They go from the FDA into these positions, they have this golden parachute, and then they ramp up the fucking schedule every year. And it's not about public health. None of it is about looking out for you. All of it is about making money. That's the problem.

[Eddie Bravo]

Who wants to do some smelling salts?

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, good. This guy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Okay, who wants to do some smelling salt?

[Joe Rogan]

Chuck one over here. Jamie, we got some. Some go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Where's the oakai from?

[Joe Rogan]

It's from your mother's.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hey, that's outline. Hey, that. That burn is too far. Joe and I always have these arguments, Gordon.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

This one's weak.

[Eddie Bravo]

Is it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a little old.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's a little old get you going, though.

[Brian Callen]

What are like, look, we got a.

[Joe Rogan]

We got seven of them over here.

[Eddie Bravo]

Besides, God get you some, Brian. Get that big dick nose.

[Brian Callen]

Besides, to watch your. Your friends suffer. What are the actual.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. Let's find out. Pop one of those. See if it cures your tummy.

[Eddie Bravo]

It wakes you up, though. It might help your stomach.

[Brian Callen]

Or it could make me nauseous. We'll see.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. If he projectile vomits on the Buddha, great.

[Brendan Schaub]

Don't do it. You might throw up.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's good for you.

[Joe Rogan]

This one's basically dead.

[Brian Callen]

What is it actually supposed to do, though?

[Joe Rogan]

It just jolts your system and like.

[Brian Callen]

This guy's got power lifted through it. He's got, like, adrenaline laying around everything. Every place I go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, you go to the green room.

[Brian Callen]

He's got like 30 bottles.

[Brendan Schaub]

Once you gave me it, I was like, I want more of that. Once I do it. Once I want to do. I want to keep doing it.

[Brian Callen]

It's just supposed to wake you up.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, it'll wake you up. Guys will do it before they lift. Super heavy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Go for pricing.

[Eddie Bravo]

Just a party.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hey.

[Eddie Bravo]

Just to get away from the vaccines before broken. I brought it up.

[Brian Callen]

I was, I was helping you Right after, after, right after he sniffed it. Brian was going to bring vaccines back up.

[Brendan Schaub]

Joe and I used to have arguments about acting class. We'd get in shouting fights.

[Joe Rogan]

He used to tell me that vitamins weren't necessary. Oh, yeah, vitamins are necessary. They don't do anything. Me and him at a restaurant in Seattle. Brian, please shut the up.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. But then I started taking vitamins and I called him up. I go, dude, I feel great. He goes, I know.

[Joe Rogan]

I wish you could go back in time and not take vaccine and be like, why am I so healthy? I never got psoriasis.

[Brendan Schaub]

This is crazy. Hey, shut up.

[Joe Rogan]

Turns out I had autism the whole time now.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dude, we've been in Austin for how many months now. I've been trying to give him a ways to. Well, for how long?

[Brendan Schaub]

Finally I got my levels, passed my test.

[Eddie Bravo]

The best.

[Brendan Schaub]

So I just got my level test by with Brigham. It was awesome. And I got stem cells.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice.

[Brendan Schaub]

So check this out. I got. I go, I. I'd worked out at Archetype.

[Joe Rogan]

This is Marvin Vittori's brother.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is it?

[Eddie Bravo]

They look very similar.

[Brendan Schaub]

I worked out. I meant to call you about this. So I, I work out and I kind of forgot I had to go. So I, I probably shouldn't have worked out. Didn't sleep much. But my test is. Is the lowest it's ever been, which is 785. Not bad.

[Joe Rogan]

That's very good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Not bad, right?

[Joe Rogan]

That's very good. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Now my free though is. Is low. It's like 45.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Brendan Schaub]

And she said it should be 151. But then I did a bunch of research on chat GPT with pubmed and I looked at. I talked to a couple other doctors and they said, said if your test is that high because I have a lot of energy. They go, just be careful because you got to test it again. So she. At Wayswell they go, we don't want to put you on anything yet because we want to test because your, your magnesium is a little low and your DHEA or whatever it is. So they're going to put me on that because they're. My test is really high.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, Just take TRT and give.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. He's right. Yeah. Magnesium is huge. You have low magnesium. That's huge.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah. And I talked about Mike is retaining cell. Who. Who gave me that? He told me, I said if I wanted to get huge, give me the steroids.

[Eddie Bravo]

Not possible.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he goes, do you want. Do you. You don't mind if your liver becomes styrofoam? I go, just hit me with it. And he gave me the stack.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, dude, it's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's a freak.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's amazing.

[Eddie Bravo]

What was he talking DECA and all that.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's got his PhD.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's telling you to take DECA and everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, and also he's on everything.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah. Have you had him on? He's hilarious. Oh, I love that guy.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think the coman events next.

[Joe Rogan]

Okie and Jones is the co main next. Yep. Nice, Nice. That's what I'm looking for.

[Eddie Bravo]

Me too.

[Joe Rogan]

Rufian Benoit, if you had the gun.

[Brendan Schaub]

To your head, who do you have IMMAV or Mahalo?

[Joe Rogan]

It's. This is Bahalio's toughest fight, I think in the ufc.

[Eddie Bravo]

Imabas has a better strength of schedule too. I usually go by that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's definitely faced the tougher competition. He's coming off of a KO of one of the all time greats.

[Eddie Bravo]

I don't think either one one gets.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he just popped him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, damn.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, please. End fast. I don't think.

[Brendan Schaub]

Get to the main fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's getting ding d. He's getting dinged.

[Brendan Schaub]

Tough though. There we go.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on. Well, he's moving. He's definitely moving, but he keeps getting popped on a chin.

[Eddie Bravo]

I don't think the winner of imov in this fight Hamzat. No, I think the winner of Fluffy and our d mdr fight because I think that's more like you end in a finish.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's got a chin, I'll tell you that. Because this dude gets. Keeps getting cracked. And Okie can crack.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yikes.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's throwing haymakers at him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I think looking like a young Kevin Randleman. Bahala's his. His defense is really good. Striking wise.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's really good all around. That team, that fighting nerds team is so cross it. They're so good. Yeah, they're so good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Where are they out of?

[Joe Rogan]

Brazil. Brazil.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're. That's Jean Silva, that's Carlos Pratez, Mauricio, Rufi Barhalio. Very Now Mikhail Oleg Sajuk. He's over there with them now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Came over from Poland. He's like it. Let's go.

[Brendan Schaub]

I feel like those polls and stuff. Those Russians have such good fundamentals and defense.

[Joe Rogan]

They have good bones. Yeah, like when, when Jan Bohovich used to go shin to shin with people. Yeah, Magomed off, was just limping all over the place like, what the are you doing? Just going shin to shin with him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crack.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's such a dense dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

My shins are like, touch them, you flick them. Vaccines. I got bird bones. I would have been a great fighter if I didn't have bird bones.

[Eddie Bravo]

See, I'd like to see DDP at like light heavy.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think you'd some dudes up.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you think they would out wrestle him there? The problem with that guy is now after what Hamza did to him, everyone's gonna out wrestle the words out.

[Eddie Bravo]

If you give him the right matchups then when if he got the incline.

[Joe Rogan]

The thing is though, most guys are not at Hamzat's level.

[Brian Callen]

Most people aren't as good at at keeping at riding.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my gosh, it's turned around. Look at this.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he doesn't have it on her.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's laying down. I'll tell you what too. I was in.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this. This guy's got tired. I mean, you got to think how much energy he blew.

[Brian Callen]

Pretty good at riding chest to chest. And he's much better than Mo than pretty much everyone at riding chest to back.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dude, I went to the Hamzat's camp and I didn't want to be biased. I called Joe when I left. I went, dude, I've never seen anyone look like that. And I was like, I've been out of the game a little bit. Last person I saw that dominant in camp was John dude. I'm talking national champion wrestlers, All American wrestlers, world class juicy guys. He was them up and was kind of going light and then the coach yelled something and whatever, chest in and he just mopped the floor with everybody back to back to back.

[Brendan Schaub]

Do you think that Bo Nickel has taken a little page from that that whole game? Which is I'm gonna just blast W or grab.

[Eddie Bravo]

We're gonna find out. They just announced.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but what do you do with grenades?

[Brian Callen]

It's different though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. When he fought Reiner Deridder, first of all, what do you do? You can get him to the ground and then what happens? You're going to get strangled. Like Deridder is way better on with Jiu Jitsu. Way better with Jiu Jitsu. And what if he reverses you and gets you on your back? Yeah, you know like, so he didn't want that. Also, Deridder is way.

[Brendan Schaub]

So that's why he didn't do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Six, four. And he's a giant. 185.

[Brendan Schaub]

Giant. Oh, my God. No.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Let it go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

These guys are exhausted. This was a crazy first round.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it was.

[Joe Rogan]

But now that this guy weathered the storm. What a Chin Jones, dude. What a chin. Because this dude took some bombs, other.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dudes can be gassed.

[Joe Rogan]

Is everybody gonna move into a crucifix now, too? After that DDP fight, how many times did he get him in a crucifix?

[Brian Callen]

I think it's like a full five minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

He had him control Bananas, but wasn't.

[Eddie Bravo]

Doing too much damage there. But. But I also think it's a mistake where people are like, oh, the Hamzat style is boring. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's how he fought ddp these next guys. Like, he's a finisher, man. He's a savage.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, he wanted to win, right?

[Brian Callen]

He's got a kimora.

[Eddie Bravo]

To your point, Joe, he wanted to win. It's also his first time. And I know it's Hamza and he's this big. There's all this hype. Remember, it's his first chance at a title. You're fighting dd. You don't want to risk it on your face Street. But he even went in the corner with Shrukin, was in his corner. He goes, I want to stand through. Absolutely not. Keep doing what you're doing. We have it in the bag. He's like, keep doing what you're doing.

[Brian Callen]

He also. He also learned a valuable lesson because if you look at his fights in the past, like the big. The big question was cardio was cardio was will. Will he. Will he fade in the fourth and fifth, whereas DDP just never see.

[Eddie Bravo]

I don't think that got answered because if I. If you did a UFC fight and you were just on top the whole time doing jiu jitsu, do. I don't find out much about that because that. That's what you do.

[Brian Callen]

But he learned an important lesson from it that if. If you can ride the guy and make him carry body weight for the full amount for full time of the match, doesn't matter how good the cardio is, there's such a discrepancy in work rate that even if it's. Even if his VO2 max is much higher than yours, he's going to get fast tired. So he. He learned a tactical lesson where he just basically just recreated What Khabib does, Does.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Like with Gilbert, he was just striking the whole time. And you saw, I started to get.

[Joe Rogan]

Also, Gilbert has a guard.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Gilbert has a very dangerous guard. And I think that was part of the problem.

[Eddie Bravo]

And he was compromised at 170. I think he's so big. How he got to 70, I'm like, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I think you're right. Compromised at 170.

[Eddie Bravo]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

That weight cut was brutal.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's a legit six two, isn't he?

[Joe Rogan]

He's big.

[Brian Callen]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's strong as man, which is really crazy that he got himself to 170 and still maintain any strong strength, that wrestling strength.

[Brendan Schaub]

Christ.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. I don't know who's gonna beat him at 85.

[Joe Rogan]

Brookie is tired.

[Eddie Bravo]

He went all out to get the finish.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Chael Sonnen famously said that once, if you go for a finish and you do not get it, you won't win a decision. It's not always. It's not always the case, but it's a very. It's a very astute quote.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. You use all your adrenaline. Oh, getting tossed.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you think of chaos? Well, and there's matches with the two. I heard that was buggy chokes.

[Brendan Schaub]

I heard that was a kind of exhibition, though. Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

They look fake.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look like a work.

[Brian Callen]

They looked. It looks.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I believe it was fake. I think it would happen anyway.

[Joe Rogan]

Perhaps before in a real match.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, they had a match and Chael.

[Eddie Bravo]

Also took it on like a day notice.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

So that's how that should go.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm sure he was in mid camp anyway.

[Brendan Schaub]

Gordon, have you ever rolled with any of those high level Russian wrestlers or daggies?

[Brian Callen]

No. I mean, there's some sambo guys. Like, we had like a couple of smaller guys that used to train out of Ricardo. Ricardo Almeida's camp. But like none of the big guys. No, it was really.

[Brendan Schaub]

I was listening to you talk about the importance of watching. Studying the minutiae, like tape. Like sitting there and watching. Like almost the way a football player watches tape. Nobody does that, huh?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, they do.

[Brendan Schaub]

They do. I'm saying with Jiu jitsu, they do.

[Brian Callen]

But most people just don't know what to look for.

[Joe Rogan]

They.

[Brian Callen]

They.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice spinning elbow.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, you just break it down.

[Brian Callen]

They look. They look. They look for the wrong things or just surface level things most of the time.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, like Sarukian and Hamzat would want watch hours of tape, really. And if they. And they'd watch it with. With no commentary and they'd watch hours and hours to pick up tendencies from the guy. And if the guy only did it once, they'd watch, like, five of his fights. He only did a move once. It's on his repertoire.

[Brendan Schaub]

So they're watching tape all the time.

[Eddie Bravo]

All pros are big.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

At this level. You don't make this level.

[Joe Rogan]

Just.

[Brian Callen]

But if you. If you look at the wrestling that the Dagestani guys do in fighting, there's no real place to study that wrestling. You have to create your own system, because it's not Jiu Jitsu. It's not wrestling. Like, if you look at freestyle wrestlers. Freestyle wrestlers, historically in the ufc, don't hold anybody down. Like, they. They take the takedowns are scored by the actual takedowns in freestyle wrestling.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. I always wondered why, but that's a good point.

[Joe Rogan]

Not. Not control. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

The takedown. And when you're fighting means nothing. It's the control that actually scores. Like, can you hold the guy down and actually keep him down and do damage?

[Eddie Bravo]

That's why the daggies are dominant.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is that why Joel Romero never used his wrestler wrestling? Because he was so.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think that was a cardio issue.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Really?

[Brian Callen]

Well, he would put guys down, but he wouldn't hold them down. Yeah, no, like. Like when Khabib and Hamza.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jones is okay.

[Eddie Bravo]

Keep him down.

[Brian Callen]

Or George put a guy down. Like, he. Would he keep him down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Okie's in real trouble.

[Brian Callen]

And, you know, George did a better job at punishing guys as they got up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, these elbows.

[Brian Callen]

Hamza and Khabib do a better job. Oh, my God.

[Brendan Schaub]

Of controlling.

[Brian Callen]

Of controlling. I'm making them carry body weight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Control.

[Joe Rogan]

Jones has some cardio, man, because this is a crazy pace, and they're in the middle of the second. He's just smashing.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're about to stop it. They're about to stop.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. He's gonna go out there. He's gonna go out co. Main event, baby.

[Eddie Bravo]

Coming hot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

What a comeback.

[Brendan Schaub]

What you say Paul Craig is fighting first?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Paul Craig. That's my favorite guy to watch when he's on his back.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, because Paul.

[Joe Rogan]

Paul Craig can pull some off. He's one of the rare guys.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think he's lost six times last eight.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he loses, but he just.

[Eddie Bravo]

The UFC just resigned him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's finding Modestus Bakas. He's fun to watch. I like him at light heavyweight, too. When he got down the middleweight, I was like, boy, how hard is that? You're so big.

[Brendan Schaub]

Are There any Americans left in?

[Joe Rogan]

There's no Americans. There's no American champions in. Right, right.

[Eddie Bravo]

Kayla Harson.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Kayla Hares. No males. I don't know.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is she gonna fight 45 at the White House? 35.

[Joe Rogan]

35.

[Brendan Schaub]

Make it 45 for her. I mean, that's just painful.

[Joe Rogan]

She made 35 to win the title. That's the champ. She's the champ at 35.

[Eddie Bravo]

That fight's at the White House. She was at the White House yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it is kind of crazy that Amanda Nunes has been the 45 pound champion. And then they just abandoned the weight class.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, because there's like three big.

[Joe Rogan]

And she was running through them, you know, like, I saw 45.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. I saw Kayla at one of the UFC's and just like when she was probably 175 5. I mean, it's obscene.

[Joe Rogan]

She's thick. She looks like Glen T. Bell.

[Brendan Schaub]

She's incredible. She's just incredible. She's like, just incredible. Like just, you know, a body like that. I'm too light in the ass, but, you know, I appreciate it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Would you like her to grab you and throw you around?

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, if she only had a huge.

[Joe Rogan]

Stuff in my mouth against my will.

[Brendan Schaub]

If she only had a beard.

[Eddie Bravo]

She's my type in the car.

[Brendan Schaub]

One of them.

[Joe Rogan]

One of them beards, like Gordon Ryan type, special operator beards.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, I think she's.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think. Yeah, she's pretty girl.

[Joe Rogan]

She's.

[Eddie Bravo]

And you're talking about the greatest judoka ever out of America.

[Brendan Schaub]

And Joanna in Jen. Jack. When she's. She's. I thought she was very hot. You don't see her when she's all skinny and stuff. I saw her at the UFC in a dress.

[Joe Rogan]

She looks a lot better now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, she's starving herself to make that weight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Her whole life she was great, great fighter.

[Eddie Bravo]

But Kayla Harrison's supposed. Supposedly that's the. She's going to fight in the White House guard.

[Brendan Schaub]

Valentina Shevchenko is. I find her very attractive.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Cool.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'll share that with you guys.

[Joe Rogan]

You like how she got a gun tattooed on her hip?

[Eddie Bravo]

I do.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes, I do. Wow. Yes, I do. It's very.

[Joe Rogan]

She's a real black.

[Brendan Schaub]

You take kind out of that sentence.

[Joe Rogan]

She's the real life black widow. Like the lady from the Avengers.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Shoots guns.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Like really good, too. She's a really good markswoman, I guess you would say.

[Eddie Bravo]

She's fighting way relay.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that's gonna be. That's gonna be.

[Joe Rogan]

That's interesting.

[Brendan Schaub]

Very fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, at this point in her career, it seems to me that, you know, she doesn't wade into the fire like she did when she was younger, you know, smarter. Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

I mean, I think she grapples heavy, too.

[Brendan Schaub]

If she has very good grappler. Yeah, very good grappler.

[Joe Rogan]

But Zhang Weili is a demon. She's a demon.

[Eddie Bravo]

Chinese demon.

[Joe Rogan]

She comes out and she could do everything artificially.

[Brendan Schaub]

She's got to deal with that wrestling, though. That's the one thing. Yes. Got that edge.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But. Well, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. See if Zhang Weili is even stronger at 125, because I don't know how much weight she's cutting. You know, I don't know how hard that 115 cut is, but when you're down that low, 10 pounds is a giant difference. Everything, it's so big.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's never been any movement on just making another weight class in the middle of that.

[Joe Rogan]

God, there should be. There should be.

[Eddie Bravo]

Fellas. It should never happening.

[Joe Rogan]

There should be a weight class every 10 pounds for my box, every diagram. Yeah, no, boxing is a lot more.

[Eddie Bravo]

Boxing a lot more. It's just.

[Joe Rogan]

They just need it. Where there's tweeners like 85 to 205 is bananas. 20 pounds is crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, hold up. Remember, I would fight at 1, 230, 235. Every guy I fought was 265.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Eddie Bravo]

Think about from 206 to 265 is a weight class. That's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

It is. Really. I should be a cruiserweight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

It should be a 225 weight class.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember we were trying to figure out that name the other day for the weight class in Boston boxing. I think it's called Bridger Weight. I think they're calling it Bridger Weight. There's like a 220 something weight class.

[Brendan Schaub]

Meanwhile. Meanwhile, the gorilla over here couldn't make 225 and he'll tell you he can, but he could.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you could, but it would be hard. It would be dehydration.

[Eddie Bravo]

Okay. Because I'm not doing tons of cardio. Now.

[Joe Rogan]

If Pereira can make 185, he can make it. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Big bones.

[Joe Rogan]

But the thing is, like, big, strong muscle guys actually can lose more weight. That's why yol could do it, because your muscles are mostly water. Right. That makes sense. 2. Yeah. Bridge your weight. That's it. We couldn't remember what that was the other day.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's an awesome idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a good move. I think that they should have legitimately a weight class every 10 pounds in MMA. And I don't think that's bad. You have a ton of talent, 205, and you can get a little crazy there and go, 205, 225. And then I think for heavyweight, it should be unlimited. It shouldn't be. You have to make two.

[Brendan Schaub]

The promise.

[Eddie Bravo]

You get big slots, sloppies.

[Joe Rogan]

So what?

[Brendan Schaub]

Sloppies.

[Joe Rogan]

Get up. They don't have a problem with that in boxing.

[Brian Callen]

They already have big sloppies now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Look at Moses. Saitama, right? Boxing doesn't have a problem like that. Right. That kid is only like 250 or something like that, or 240 something.

[Eddie Bravo]

I mean, the UFC has a problem at 2, 265. Like, there's no talent right now. There's. There's no big guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right?

[Joe Rogan]

But you don't have to be 265. You. You could be 300. You could be 205. Like, you could literally.

[Brian Callen]

Brock Lesnar.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look at Brock Lesnar. Or. Or Francis. If he didn't cut weight like Francis cuts, or Tim Sylvia in his prime when he was.

[Eddie Bravo]

Manufacturing big guys right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Francis. Yeah. I think Francis at his highest is probably around 300.

[Brendan Schaub]

What?

[Brian Callen]

I had dinner with him one night, and he was 295.

[Brendan Schaub]

What? Seriously? All muscle and. And there's no fat on him.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I was.

[Brian Callen]

I was sitting next to him, and his, like, his leg was, like, the size of my torso.

[Brendan Schaub]

Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

So he had to cut weight to get to 265.

[Eddie Bravo]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine that.

[Eddie Bravo]

So did Carwin. So did Lesnar.

[Brendan Schaub]

Some of those boys do so horny, right now.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember when I was training a mall, Eason's Place in Boulder, and Carwin walked in. It didn't even look like a human being. It looked like one of the Avengers. It looked like the Thing.

[Eddie Bravo]

It looks like the Thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

First time I met so big. First time I met Carwin, I look at him, I go, fuck. I. I go, I don't know what I'd do if I had to share a jail cell with you. And he goes, I didn't even know him. He goes, you'd suck my. And then he picked me up. I didn't even know. He picked me up. And he squeezed me, and I started tapping. He goes, that's 30%.

[Joe Rogan]

That dude had giant fists. Yeah, his fists were preposterous.

[Brian Callen]

4X 4x, right? 4 and 5x.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, something.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was 285.

[Eddie Bravo]

He had biggest glove ever. UFC history.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was your. He was your main. Main sparring partner.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's good for your head.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's all I had.

[Brendan Schaub]

Just punching each other in the face.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's a great team.

[Joe Rogan]

We push each other, bro. How good is larone Murphy?

[Eddie Bravo]

He look good. How about poor Aaron Pico?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Is that what they're gonna do?

[Eddie Bravo]

They did it.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean?

[Brendan Schaub]

Got knocked out the wrong Murphy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Spinning elbow. Aaron Pico.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, oh, oh, oh. I thought you said Poirier and Pico.

[Eddie Bravo]

Sorry, I got speech impediment.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought you said that. I was like, what the. Poirier. What? I was so confused. I was like, Pico's going to 55. But he just got knocked down.

[Brendan Schaub]

He looks so.

[Eddie Bravo]

I got.

[Brendan Schaub]

Max looks so good. He looked so good, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He's so slick.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's too aggressive.

[Brendan Schaub]

You said it.

[Brian Callen]

Look at even Pico. Pico. Pico took him down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Amazing wrestler.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

And couldn't hold him down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Good point. It's a good point. Right? If you had that daggy wrestling.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

He could control him more. But even the first 20 seconds and I looked at my wife, I go, pico's gonna get knocked out. She's like, what the. I'm like, he's way too aggressive. And you can get away being that aggressive at these lower levels. Bellator, Pfl, all that, right? When you're fighting a world class guy, dude, they're gonna use that aggression against you and you're gonna get.

[Joe Rogan]

He timed that.

[Eddie Bravo]

You're not just gonna get starched. You're gonna get.

[Brendan Schaub]

So I thought it was. I thought it was a lucky shot. And then I was like, of course he did.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the vaccine stuff.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, that's the vaccine.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's the vaccines.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a. There's a few guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at that. What is that choke? Is that an anaconda?

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, I see the start of it.

[Joe Rogan]

I like how he gets over him and starts barking.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's in that fight nerd camp, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Y. Jesus. He's one of the best. That's a good fight. That's a really good fight. Him and Lopez.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's in San Antonio, isn't it?

[Joe Rogan]

Next Saturday?

[Eddie Bravo]

It's supposed to be in Mexico.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Lopez got fight. Who did he lose to? The recent last fight, who was it?

[Joe Rogan]

Volkanovski.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Good to come back, by the way, at that weight class, too.

[Joe Rogan]

At his age. At his age.

[Eddie Bravo]

Murphy versus I talked To Rob Font.

[Brian Callen]

Is doing his camp with us.

[Joe Rogan]

There's the choke. If you want to analyze it. Go, Gordon. That. It's.

[Brian Callen]

It's almost. It's like. It looks like a figure four guillotine, but Bryce tried to turn out of it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Jesus.

[Brian Callen]

I think it started when he was chest to back.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Remember, that was Bryce's discipline fight because he praised him.

[Brian Callen]

It's a figure four guillotine, and he tried to turn out what he didn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

You're not getting out again.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yikes. Yeah. I talked to o' Malley about. Like I said, what is it about? Merab is chain wrestling and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

And he was like, cardio.

[Brendan Schaub]

His. He's so. He's actually. Actually, he said. Sean said he's strong. He's way stronger than you can imagine. Like, he's just. You know, some of these guys are just made of metal.

[Joe Rogan]

That worked so hard.

[Eddie Bravo]

Rob. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So hard. When DC went to visit him the day after he won, after he won the title off of Sean, he was running.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

The day after, D.C. went to his home in Vegas and he goes, rob's out running. And D.C. made a video. Can you believe this?

[Eddie Bravo]

He's afraid.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, showed his gym the day after the fight. So Sunday, he went to visit his friend and who just won the title. Marab is running.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, dude, he was. When he was doing. When he was wrestling with the gold medalist, Henry Cejudo, he was winking and saying to Mark Zuckerberg, cage side.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He's like, how about he picked him up?

[Brendan Schaub]

Picked him up, Kissed his back.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just threw him to the ground. Laugh.

[Eddie Bravo]

Rob has the best whip in UFC history.

[Joe Rogan]

Cardio.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's also just so good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's straight.

[Eddie Bravo]

And what you got to like about him is he's super active where most champions aren't. He wants to fight all the time.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a thousand pounds.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he trains so hard, and he trains constantly. And, you know, when I talk to guys who train with him in the gym, like, you can't even just watch him hit pads is nuts.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really.

[Joe Rogan]

He gets his everything full blast. Full blast all the time. And so he's gotten acclimated to just this insane workload.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he loves it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Same work rate. Also, he's from a part of the world where, like, George is tough. Yeah, that's tough.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because you have one option. One option. Fight your way out.

[Eddie Bravo]

DC was on Shay Shay show Shannon Sharps, and they. They're asking him. They're like, what is about The Dagistanians and D.C. gave a great answer. I love the interview. He goes, it's not that they're better athletes or that they. Any of that stuff. They're not better athletes than we are. It's just they have no other options.

[Joe Rogan]

Option.

[Eddie Bravo]

So, like, because Sharon goes, well, your son has all the resources. Yeah. But over there they have nothing. So my son has all the resources. He's. Yeah, he's like, they, they have to make it where my son can fall.

[Joe Rogan]

Back on his dad.

[Eddie Bravo]

Over there, there's no fallback. So they train their ass off because they have to.

[Joe Rogan]

Also the hunger, the drive.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

In Russia, it's supported those countries, like, you get a doctorate in boxing and like, you know, you got, you got a safe stipend. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

It could be for when the championship owns, like half of Russia.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes, he does.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's the award.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Like, try to get him to fight again, man.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, he's like, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Why, why would I do that? Yeah, I put myself through that. Plus he's got to weigh 200 pounds now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Thick.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's very thick.

[Joe Rogan]

He's big, this boy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Islam's doing. I. I think Islam only has like two or three left, max. Maybe two left.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Yeah. What makes you think that?

[Eddie Bravo]

In his interview, he's talked about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, dude. John Fitch said when he would wrestle, and then John Fitch is an insane wrestler, and John's probably 200 pounds walking around. John said, in fact, he was 205 when I was talking to him. And. And he said when he would wrestle Khabib, if he could stand up once in practice with him, it was a good day.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, that's John Fitch.

[Joe Rogan]

It is very fascinating what you're saying, Gordon, that there is a giant difference between just regular freestyle wrestling and control based MMA wrestling. Wrestling.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, it's. It's completely different. The different, different rules, different scoring criteria like the, the takedowns themselves score, and the higher amplitude the throw, the more points you score. Whereas when you're fighting, especially at the heavier weights, you don't want to lift the guy over your back multiple times. You get tired. And the more, the more energy the throw, the more, the higher amplitude, the less control you have when you land.

[Eddie Bravo]

Americans just need to adapt to that style again, they don't have some secret.

[Brendan Schaub]

It.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's just we need to adapt our style to it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but they adapted early on. And that's. Yes, that's the secret.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's so much to it, though. There's so much to it.

[Joe Rogan]

But.

[Brian Callen]

But if you look at Dagestani guys, they are, they are significantly better than the Americans and everyone at riding chest to chest and especially riding chest to back. Like it's pretty easy to hold the guy down if you just stuff him in half guard and you ride chest to chest. But when the guys start to turtle and they turn away like Khabib. The only thing that ever fucked up Khabib was when guys Grammy'd on him. Like a guy. I forget who he fought earlier in his career. Grammy to few times actually got away, actually reversed. Yeah. And then, but and then Hamza actually follows Granby's pretty well. Like DDP tried one Grammy I think it was. And Hamzat followed through their ability to ride chest to back and just keep hands on the floor the whole time. So the entire weight, the entire like for like 22 carrying their weight. DDP was carrying ham. That's entire body weight.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's also the wrist control. So they take, they take away their foundations.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. One of the most anxiety filled moments I ever had calling a fight was when he got Michael Johnson and when Khabib got Michael Johnson into Kimura and Michael wasn't tapping, I'm like, please tap, please tap, please tap. Because it was like full on and if he wanted to, he could have snapped.

[Brendan Schaub]

Was that when he was talking to him saying, come on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. He said, you know, I deserve this. You know, I deserve title shots.

[Brendan Schaub]

It would have been like, you know, you're right.

[Brian Callen]

I mean what was actually interesting in the Hamdot fight was no and no one talked about this was he actually ended up in bottom position at the end of the fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes.

[Brian Callen]

And he ended up in half guard. He couldn't get up. And DDP passed them into mount and then briefly took his back he it up and he fell off. So everyone forgot about it. But Hamza himself, himself wasn't that good at getting up when he was in bottom position.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a good point. That's very good point.

[Brian Callen]

He did a really good job at holding the guy down. But when he actually got put in bottom position, it's, it's funny because if he's, he knows how to hold the guy down. So in theory he should be able to reverse engineer that and say, yeah, I'm doing this, this and this to hold the guy down. So I need to deny him the ability to do this, this and this.

[Eddie Bravo]

But I, I'd be curious on Hamzat's camp how often guys are getting him where he's working on nobody back. Nobody is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, probably nobody.

[Brian Callen]

Well, that's that's, that's his, his problem. He should be putting himself in those.

[Joe Rogan]

Positions 100%, you know, another good matchup that's coming. Bo Nickel is fighting.

[Brian Callen]

Oh, I just saw that. I forget who it is though.

[Brendan Schaub]

What about, what about him? Is he a really great Jiu jitsu guy?

[Eddie Bravo]

World champion.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever seen his body? He makes Glazing Tebow look like a fatso. Yeah. Show me Rodolfo Vieira's body. Oh, my God. He's got one of the freakiest bodies you've ever seen in mma. And amazing Jiu Jitsu world class.

[Brian Callen]

I think that's a tough matchup for her.

[Joe Rogan]

There's.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn it. Oh, that guy's awesome. I saw him at Metamorous, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a beast.

[Brendan Schaub]

He fought somebody. He's ridiculous.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a beast.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I, I'm built for dance. This is such. Look at that.

[Joe Rogan]

But in, in mma, he's. His striking is much improved. He's getting a lot better.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's getting better.

[Eddie Bravo]

Has some experience.

[Brendan Schaub]

Come on.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's a good fight for Bo.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's better than that.

[Joe Rogan]

Just shows you how dangerous Fluffy Hernandez is. Cuz Fluffy cooked him.

[Brian Callen]

He finished him.

[Eddie Bravo]

Fluffy be people up.

[Joe Rogan]

He people up. He breaks him. Like someone was calling him the middleweight marab and it's like that. Like he melts guys.

[Eddie Bravo]

He melts guys. And Citron, because he doesn't have like a, a world class background in wrestling. He quit wrestling, I think his freshman year in high school. So he doesn't have like this extensive wrestling background.

[Brendan Schaub]

Remember you, me and Matt Mitrione, we were backstage and Rodolph had his shirt off and he's just standing like that. It was at your. Me, Me, Matt Mitchan, and you and I, and we were both. Look, we're all looking at him like this, just like, like, like teenage girls. It's like the. Is going on with that guy's body.

[Joe Rogan]

He has a preposterous build.

[Brendan Schaub]

Preposterous.

[Joe Rogan]

It's interesting though, how he doesn't have a lot of submissions in the ufc.

[Eddie Bravo]

See, no, guys avoid it. Guys avoid it. Keep you on the feet. You know, it was like bushes too. He came over, you know, he's doing well in one championship. Then came over the UFC and he got dealt with. Man, I love buses, but just didn't translate.

[Joe Rogan]

And then Boudet, the guy who beat him, they cut.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, yeah. I didn't watch that fight, but from what I understand, B had a hard time holding him down.

[Eddie Bravo]

He had his back so many Times and he was getting high. It's like. But I need to know the 101.

[Joe Rogan]

How does a guy win a fight? And then you cut. Cut him.

[Eddie Bravo]

Boring. The UFC's there for entertainment.

[Brendan Schaub]

They did that.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it that boring? I mean, that's how you're supposed to fight that guy. Like, with DDP was boring then.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, I loved it. But I see what you're saying. I see. I see what you're saying.

[Brendan Schaub]

But with.

[Eddie Bravo]

With him, it's, you know, heavyweight, no finishes, and he had a body of a, you know, a lunch lady. They're like, but we can't sell this. We can't.

[Joe Rogan]

I understand.

[Eddie Bravo]

You're the best lunch lady in the world. We can't sell it.

[Brian Callen]

Cutting him off of win against Bushes is kind of rough. I. I agree.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

They just had a lot of hype coming.

[Eddie Bravo]

They didn't cut. They didn't cut them. They didn't resign them.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the same thing.

[Eddie Bravo]

Hey, Tomato touch your boy Dana.

[Joe Rogan]

I would be the worst for that because I'm an. I would be like anti marketing. I would be. There's the number system. Let's figure out what the number system is. So, number one, the champion always has to fight. Number two.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's how I make money, though. Yeah, I get it. But I mean, I feel like if.

[Brian Callen]

You'Re trying to see what the best guy is.

[Joe Rogan]

If it's football, hey, what baseball, or anything like that, like, you have to. You do this, and that's how you get. You get to the number one.

[Eddie Bravo]

You'll see it in Craig's.

[Brendan Schaub]

Got to be careful.

[Joe Rogan]

But they make. They'll make more money than me. They'll make way more money than my version, which takes place on a football field.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dude, you and Eddie in that football field. And no gloves. No government will not argue that with them.

[Joe Rogan]

No gloves.

[Eddie Bravo]

Years of arguing.

[Joe Rogan]

Up kicks allowed.

[Brendan Schaub]

Up kicks.

[Joe Rogan]

Soccer kicks allowed. Stomps allowed.

[Brendan Schaub]

Surprise. Old Pride.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But better.

[Brendan Schaub]

God.

[Joe Rogan]

Because Pride didn't have elbows.

[Eddie Bravo]

True.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is really bananas when you think about.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's what they drew the line think.

[Joe Rogan]

With Rampage Jackson did. Do you remember when Ricardo Rona, that crazy slam off the triangle.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Now imagine that's okay. But you can't elbow a guy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

No, that's where we drop like Vandalay, like stomps. Like stomp kicking dudes.

[Joe Rogan]

Do they even have. Did Pride even have standing elbows? I don't remember.

[Eddie Bravo]

Name one elbow you ever saw. That is wild. So they see Crocop soccer kick guy in the face.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're like, that's good. That is so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

They didn't even allow standing elbows.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's where they draw the line, dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

They used to have headbutts. You could be in somebody's garden, just start headbutts.

[Joe Rogan]

That was ufc. That was Early Days. They used to do that.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe early Days of Pride had that. Because early Days of pride was like 94. And there was still headbutts back then. Because I remember when I was working for the UFC in 97, Mark Coleman was using headbutts from the guard.

[Eddie Bravo]

They use headbutts. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. And with wrestling shoes on.

[Eddie Bravo]

Jesus.

[Brendan Schaub]

Come on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro. Everybody got on the sauce, and Mark Coleman was around. Everybody got sauce. That's a rumor. Everybody got saucy because that dude would hold you down and headbutt the out of you.

[Eddie Bravo]

Do you want to talk about somebody on the sauce? When you look at Mark Kerr in his heyday, oh, my goodness.

[Brendan Schaub]

Captain America, besides Randy, I was there.

[Brian Callen]

She was like 285.

[Brendan Schaub]

I was there when he wrestled at 188 in college, senior year, I believe. And he was 260.

[Brian Callen]

And then he was like, this is gay.

[Joe Rogan]

I was there.

[Brian Callen]

I'm going to 285.

[Joe Rogan]

Kerr. When Kerr fought Dan Boba and he stuck his chin in his eye. Stuck his chin in his eye sock and grabbed the back of his neck.

[Brendan Schaub]

God. I'll take tap.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at. That's me interviewing him.

[Brendan Schaub]

I was with you, bubba.

[Joe Rogan]

Size of that mother.

[Brendan Schaub]

I was with you that. That. We went to that fight and we talked to him afterwards.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

How about the.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that picture of him next to it. The sad truth. Oh, my God, that's crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

How about the Rocket to get on more steroids to play him in a biopic. That's how big marker was. They're like, hey, hey, Rock, we need you to play marker. We need you give him on more steroids.

[Brendan Schaub]

I hear Rock got like. They got a 8 minute standing natural dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Lost a lot of weight. He lost a lot of weight. Have you seen him now? He slimmed down. I bet getting that big probably felt like, well, someone was like, hey, your.

[Eddie Bravo]

Heart'S going to explode.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Eddie Bravo]

And number two, you got 50.

[Joe Rogan]

Your heart's going 50.

[Eddie Bravo]

Your heart's working overtime, and you don't have the forged internals anymore. And also, he wants different roles. He doesn't want to just play the action.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right. Of course. Yeah. They all want to do that.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's why get into politics.

[Joe Rogan]

But his. That's why he.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, that's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He lost all that weight too. And people like, oh, you look so scrawny now. And he was like, I'm 64240.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, I need.

[Eddie Bravo]

I need a break.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

My body like the difference between him.

[Joe Rogan]

At £300 being very unhealthy. He's like, you feel so much better now. Yeah. I saw him in an interview recently. I love that guy as an actor. But the thing that he did on the Jimmy Kimmel show where he was like mocking Trump and like punching the heavy wag and calling him a. Oh, that was bad bag of milk.

[Eddie Bravo]

It was so cringy.

[Brian Callen]

Who is this?

[Eddie Bravo]

He's like, you think you're a tough guy? Yeah, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. He's 80.

[Eddie Bravo]

What are you doing, dude?

[Joe Rogan]

You're punching the bag. What is this? Who told. Who said you should do this?

[Brian Callen]

Have you ever seen it?

[Joe Rogan]

Because if he wins, this is a bad look.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, I bet you got paid though.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet he did.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's like Travis Kelce with Fizer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like 20, 20 mil.

[Eddie Bravo]

I was making fun of him. They told me how much he made. I went, I get it.

[Brian Callen]

He was.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He probably said, give me that Biden dose.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, what's that?

[Brian Callen]

Have you seen Batista? Had an MMA fight.

[Joe Rogan]

It. Won an MMA fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Took a guy down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Problem belt and Jiu jitsu. You always gotta be careful with celebrity belts, matterhoy.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's got one? That's. It's illegit. Is there? Because everybody brings up that moneybird guy. You, you trained with him.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, I'm friends with him.

[Eddie Bravo]

Gordon. Gordon. Gordon.

[Brian Callen]

Derek. Everyone thinks that Derek is going to go out and beat an ADCC champion. That's just.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, Paul Craig's about to go. Of course, it's just not beat up.

[Brian Callen]

That's not how it's gonna work. But I mean, if he trained with like a guy, his like he's 45 years old, 42 years old. Like if he trained train with like a 42 year old black belt, he'd do fine.

[Joe Rogan]

That's all you need to hear. Because everybody was like so against rich. But here's the thing. If you're rich and you have discipline.

[Brendan Schaub]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

And. Oh, that's it.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, that's bad.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's really bad.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Brian Callen]

Com.

[Eddie Bravo]

Event's coming up.

[Joe Rogan]

What was that? That was a weird stop.

[Brendan Schaub]

It was bad. No, not really. It was really bad.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean it like he stepped away.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it was after the bell. He just waved it off. We didn't hear the bell. Oh yeah, yeah, they should. Wakaka's had the worst knee injury I've ever seen in the ufc.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Khalil Roundtree side kicked him in the knee.

[Eddie Bravo]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember that?

[Brendan Schaub]

That.

[Joe Rogan]

It was horrible, dude. He totally bent his knee sideways and down. See if you can find that Jamie, so we could all cringe.

[Eddie Bravo]

Gord. I guess, I guess when it comes.

[Joe Rogan]

To giving that rich tree Modestus Bakus.

[Eddie Bravo]

I guess when it comes to giving that rich guy the black belt, I think for people that do Jiu jitsu, it's like there's different levels of the black belt. Like if, if you're never going to compete. And he got in what, two years?

[Brian Callen]

It's three and a half.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the thing.

[Brian Callen]

First thing is that matter. Like just get better at Jiu Jitsu. The belts are relevant.

[Joe Rogan]

First point, good point.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's like explain irrelevant.

[Brian Callen]

Like there's just focus on getting better at Jiu Jitsu. The belts are irrelevant.

[Eddie Bravo]

Agree. I didn't come up with the market and give him his black belt. That's what I'm saying.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I didn't give him his black belt either, but Jake.

[Joe Rogan]

Shields did a. Jake Shields is very legit. And so if he said he's a black belt, I just take it at face value.

[Eddie Bravo]

No, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, watch this, watch this.

[Brendan Schaub]

This.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus, bro. And that's Khil Round Tree, who's one of the nastiest kickers in the sport.

[Eddie Bravo]

Knee is shot.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, look at him. He's just laying there in agony.

[Brendan Schaub]

And you know, that's 10 months.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, at least he, he had to get it reconstructed. But now Bakas has some big ass legs. Here's the elbow that took Paul Craig out.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh my God.

[Eddie Bravo]

Behind the air.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy how sideways that goes? That goes so sideways ways.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

It just blew it apart.

[Brendan Schaub]

God. Your knees are not.

[Brian Callen]

But he trained seven days a week.

[Eddie Bravo]

Look at this.

[Brian Callen]

Like four hours a day.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who does?

[Brian Callen]

Derek?

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a lot. That's legit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, man.

[Brian Callen]

If you've got with legitimate champions and he has like some of the best ability to recall information that I've ever seen. Like I could, I can teach him something. I could teach him something.

[Joe Rogan]

Autism.

[Brian Callen]

I could teach him something. And like later. And he's like, he's like, oh, we worked on this, this and this last time.

[Eddie Bravo]

I guess he did a black belt. As far as knowledge, knowledge rolling with you guys. But as far as competition goes, like, is he executing it in. Against other guys?

[Brian Callen]

He doesn't compete. He has no aspirations.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, he means in training.

[Eddie Bravo]

Does he go against other, like, purple belts, brown belts?

[Brian Callen]

So he trains. He trains for the guy. So he comes in to train him. So he doesn't have, like, a lot of look. Like he doesn't go, like, a normal gym and train, which I think is something that's important to do just for your just personal journey in jiu jitsu. Yeah, but. But if he. Like, we, like, we just opened a new school. We just opened Kingsway, and we have, like, we have. We have a bunch of black belts who come from other schools, and, you.

[Eddie Bravo]

Know, he goes against it for the.

[Brian Callen]

Last, like, 10 years. I'm used to being around, like, a shitty black belt, to me is like, a guy competed at a world level, and I call my submission on. That's like my. My, like, definition of a shitty black.

[Joe Rogan]

Belt, like, level to the gym.

[Brian Callen]

And you see, like, what your average black belt is that it kind of brings you back to reality, and you're like, oh, this is what most black belts are like. If Derek rolled with, like, a regular black belt in a gym, he'd do fine, maybe, right?

[Eddie Bravo]

Because he. He's not doing it. It's like when Brian told me he's.

[Joe Rogan]

Really good at tennis, and I said.

[Eddie Bravo]

Are you paying the. The instructor?

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Brian Callen]

Like, I train with normal black belts at a gym, and I train with Derek when I go there. Like, he. I'm telling you, he would do fine against the normal black belts.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, then that's what it is. Yeah, you would know.

[Brian Callen]

Like. Like he's not gonna. He's not gonna go out and win worlds. But, like, if he had. If he had to compete against, like, an average black belt who's been doing jiu jitsu for, you know, 10 years, and he does it for an hour at a random gym in Kentucky, like.

[Eddie Bravo]

He would hold his own.

[Brian Callen]

Like, he would. I mean, he probably beat him up, to be honest.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wayne McCulloch said about me on a. On a radio station.

[Joe Rogan]

I like how he brought it back to you.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, I'm gonna tell you because to his point. To his point, Wayne McCulloch. McCulloch goes, goes. I put. I put Brian. I laugh even saying it. He goes. He goes, I put Brian in the ring with anybody. Meanwhile. Meanwhile, even a remotely good amateur would knock me the out right away.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not just that being in the ring with anybody. Doesn't mean anything. It just means he wants to watch you get punched.

[Brendan Schaub]

Also, I never put Brian in the.

[Joe Rogan]

Ring with Mike Tyson.

[Brendan Schaub]

Also, I never, I never. I would spar with these guys. If they were good, they would take it easy and they'd move around with the 48 year old actor like he's a.

[Brian Callen]

He's a 42 year old hobbyist who's worth $100 million and focuses on making money.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

And also trains four hours a day.

[Brendan Schaub]

Sounds awesome.

[Brian Callen]

Everyone's giving him shit because he used it to market himself and was like, you're too fucking stupid to get a black belt in three and a half years. And I'm not. That's why everyone's upset about him. Well, he knows he does train hard every day.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a great idea because I had no idea he existed and now I'm defending him. Right. I've defended him based on what you said.

[Brian Callen]

Actually he's here right now. He did the 10:30.

[Joe Rogan]

Paul Craig just retired.

[Eddie Bravo]

Good for him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's enough. I mean, that guy's been KO'd again a gang of times. And he's a great guy. He's very smart too.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I'm sure it gets to a point though, right, where you get to.

[Joe Rogan]

An age and by the way, has a submission victory over the champion Maga man. And Goliath caught him with a triangle.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

This triangle's so tight. It's so quick too.

[Brendan Schaub]

He got on.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. With one second to go, dog. One second to go. Go in the third round, whipped up a triangle and he made him tap with 1 second to go. That's how tight it was.

[Brendan Schaub]

And had the COVID vaccine the day before. That's what's incredible.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He had all but Gordon.

[Eddie Bravo]

You can see why some people, if a guy gets his background two years, you're like, okay, what's going on?

[Joe Rogan]

Three and a half. But you're right, you're just fashionable. But how much did he really train? So like this is the idea that we always say, this is what I always say. Like when people talk about Jake Paul, they say, oh, Jake Paul is YouTubers. This now I go stuff, pull, push all that away. Yes, but that doesn't mean he can't be good at something. Like. And also the kid was a wrestler in high school and college. Legitimate athlete. Like if I just watched him, if I watched him knock out Tyron Woodley, just watched him, I'd say that kid's a prospect. He's fun, he's exciting, he's Young, he's got one punch. Go to sleep Power.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes. If you didn't have all that baggage. But I put up.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's the bag. It's psychological. You look at him like is the YouTube guy. So a rich guy, like a, like a moneybird guy or a Zuckerberg. You say, oh, he can. That guy. But if he's got discipline and he can hire the best trainers, if he.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really does, and he does have.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's tough.

[Brian Callen]

If he's actually, he's in Austin, he did the 10:30-12 class and then he's taking, he's taking three two hour privates with Giancarlo, Luke and Marigali.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's legit.

[Brian Callen]

So he trained 30 until it's like 7 o'. Clock.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't. Not just that.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he's also been really successful in something else. So he applies that discipline to the.

[Joe Rogan]

Not only that workload. If he's doing that many hours and he's doing it every day, it's a lot. This is the Gordon Ryan method, right? Your method has always been not just study harder than everybody else, but you don't take days off. That's a giant factor. It's a giant factor. I talk about him all the time. Because that training 365 days a year.

[Brendan Schaub]

You wouldn't take one day off.

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of nuts.

[Brian Callen]

Nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no days off.

[Brian Callen]

I mean, if I'm sick or I have staff or my legs hurt, I watch, I'm always there thinking about the sport.

[Eddie Bravo]

But Joe, my thing with Jake Paul is take all that baggage away. You would still, if this is, if boxing had a, A belt class system, you would still say Jake is a blue belt. With his experience, you wouldn't say he's a black belt. He's not a master of the sport, even though he's dedicated to whatever the last four.

[Brian Callen]

But this goes back to my original point, which is just belts are just.

[Joe Rogan]

This belt thing.

[Brian Callen]

Like blue belts can beat up black belts now. Like, you know, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

They certainly can if they're strong and they're fast and they got tight technique and the black belt's got a. So it's like, it's a really good black belt. There was no blue belts.

[Eddie Bravo]

I don't know what the.

[Brian Callen]

Did I have a black belt in three and a half years? No. But I also don't have any black belts. Like my standard for a black belt is like so unrealistically high that I don't even, even I don't have a black.

[Brendan Schaub]

Have you not given a black belt?

[Joe Rogan]

No. Eddie had this kid.

[Brian Callen]

I don't have any.

[Joe Rogan]

Eddie had this kid that was division one wrestler. I wish I could remember his name because he was a nightmare. Every time I roll, it was so ridiculous. We would do neon belly drills and you know, you start with neon belly and this dude would throw me off him like I was a pillow. And then when he would get on top of me, neon my belly. I was going nowhere. I was stuck there. We're the same size. We're the same size. He was crazy strong. Now that guy was a blue belt, you know what I'm saying? Like, he was just a elite wrestler who. You just show him a few of these things and he already knows how to move his body and control people.

[Eddie Bravo]

He doesn't know how to do uma plot or proper.

[Joe Rogan]

He didn't. He's terrible off his back.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, he's good.

[Joe Rogan]

He's not a black belt, but he's also been. The thing is, he could black belts up. Yeah, he could. Because he could pass your guard. He would smush you. He would give you.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was a D1 wrestler, right?

[Joe Rogan]

He was a D1 wrestler who was.

[Eddie Bravo]

Was jazz.

[Joe Rogan]

He had this, this powerlifting routine that he would do. He would not skip powerlifting workouts. He's like, it's the most important part of my game. It was all clean and that's powerlifting, deadlifts, snatches. It was all. That's all he did to the other end of that.

[Eddie Bravo]

We've had D1 guys come in to the academy and they get smoked.

[Joe Rogan]

That can happen too. That could happen too.

[Eddie Bravo]

But this was training how it goes.

[Joe Rogan]

But he was training.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, there's been blue belts or purple belts. Come in and get starts, man. It takes a long time to learn.

[Joe Rogan]

What I'm saying is that this guy loved mma. Yeah, he was a elite wrestler and he was two years into jiu jitsu, but he was a blue belt. That's what I'm saying.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So he's a blue belt, but years of experience, trouble.

[Brian Callen]

I just gave Jason Nalfa's blue belt. Jason Alpha's like having matches with like Renato Canuto. Like he's like having like. He had matches like Tyrotolo like these have. Having like competitive matches.

[Eddie Bravo]

And did you give him his blue because of experience?

[Brian Callen]

Well, he's like a world class wrestler.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like, he's such a.

[Brian Callen]

He's like American wrestling legend.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you. I think this is. I've always said this, but I say it again, that's the best base. If you could dictate where the fight takes place, that's the most important thing. Look at all the champs. Yeah. All fights start striking, but look what happens to a lot of these guys that have striking. And like, did you see when Chaos Williams fought Gustafson?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

That fucking Viking dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, he just.

[Joe Rogan]

Just Chaos Williams. His terrifying power. Terrifying. One punch just has a highlight reel of starching. Guys with one shot, this Viking just got a hold of him and just absolutely ragdolled him for three rounds to the point. Like you felt bad for Chaos at the end. It was a beat beating the out of him. Like, I've never seen anybody beat the out of Chaos. It's grappling. The wrestling is so goddamn important. If you can do that and you can hold a guy and you can dictate where the fight takes place, that's number one. Even if a fight starts standing, it also creates dangerous. And Gustafson got KO'd earlier today. He got KO'd by that Russian cat I thought was going to be a grappling match.

[Brendan Schaub]

Alexander, he doesn't have.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no.

[Brendan Schaub]

Okay. I'm sorry.

[Eddie Bravo]

Completely different.

[Joe Rogan]

Andreas Gustafson, but his strength is insane. This guy does one armed Barbell snatches with 175 pounds.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's like the strongest guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Find some video. There's. There's a video compilation of him weightlifting. It's insane. This is him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. That's like crazy. Look at him.

[Joe Rogan]

He got stopped today in the first round.

[Brendan Schaub]

What does he. What does he fight at?

[Joe Rogan]

170.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

So my point is, at least in the Chaos Williams fights. Good example. The grappling is so goddamn important. It's number one. Number one for sure.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, Number one for sure.

[Eddie Bravo]

Dictate where the fight goes. I'll keep on feet. Go to the floor.

[Brian Callen]

And if you're fighting for 20 years, like, you take so much less damage than a striker. That's the thing no one talks about. It's like, look how much damage like a. Like a Khabib took in his career versus.

[Eddie Bravo]

But that's why I always say got.

[Joe Rogan]

Got touched four or five times his whole career.

[Eddie Bravo]

But. But that's why I say it's always way more impressive what Izzy's done, what Alex has done. When they're strikers and they. They're. They don't have an option to grapple and you know they're going to keep it on the feet and they get to that championship level. That level of difficulty is so much higher than what Khabib or these other grapplers are doing, cuz you know, they're not. They're only going to do one thing, right.

[Joe Rogan]

Just going to.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Alex. Alex is all they're going to do.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're going to knock you out. They have no other other way to win that. That's all they're going to do. Well, championship level.

[Joe Rogan]

He was the guy I was the most excited about when he came over from glory because I'm a glorious. I was like, dude, you got to. You got to watch this starch.

[Brendan Schaub]

Everybody and glory, man, I just always knew lost.

[Joe Rogan]

You always remember from gyms, right? There's always, there's always a guy in the gym that you're like, how are you doing that? Like, how are you hitting everybody so hard? Like, how are you hitting. There's guys, you'd watch them hit pads. You're like, okay, what the are you doing different than everybody else? That's Pereira. You see him hit things. It's like you see him right hook that punch machine. You know that punch machine. He got 190 with his right hand. His left hand's his power hand, dude. My, my left hand was hurt, so he threw a right.

[Brendan Schaub]

God, Mike Brown said that about, he said that about Dustin Poirier. He said Dustin Poirier knocks guys out all the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Docent Perry is a terrific puncher. Absolutely. But Pereira is a different thing, man. He's like a one in a million guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

The power this guy has is one in a million. It's nuts.

[Brendan Schaub]

And it's.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's built like a praying man.

[Joe Rogan]

He's built different. He's built like a alien man.

[Brendan Schaub]

His ass is this high. It starts in the middle of his back.

[Joe Rogan]

He is a legitimate Amazon warrior. Like a absolute legit Amazon warrior. His family comes from an Amazonian tribe. Oh, my God. So he. The power, this guy.

[Eddie Bravo]

You see a sister?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

She's knocking out too.

[Joe Rogan]

She's good, man. And technically this when he knocked out Izzy the first time, dude, wow. Terrifying puncher. And then by the time he got to glory, he went up from 85 and put some mass. And that's when he started people up. When he was a two time Glory champion in 85 and 205.

[Eddie Bravo]

God, did they fast track him. LFA starts some dude. They put him right in the UFC.

[Joe Rogan]

Right in the UFC. Starching starches. Micheladis with that flying knee. Oh, my goodness. And then starches. Sean Strickland. And then he had that one fight where Bruno Silva made the. That dude. I forget who he's fighting. That. That guy. There's so many guys in here. Like, he fought Jason Wilness and head kicked him and then flying kneed him in the head. Jason Willis, a world champion dude. Like an elite world champion.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good God.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. They have to have that. This is him against Dustin Jacoby. Watch that left hook. One more time, One more time. That is crazy power, dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

Look at this.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that power. It's just different, man. There's every now and then a guy. You'll see a guy hit the bag, you'll see a guy hit pads. You see a guy punch someone in the ring and you're like, what is he doing different? That's Pereira. Like maybe the best example in kickboxing I've ever seen, because everybody knocks guys out. They're all killer strikers. Right? But his was different. There was a finality to what he did to people. Look at that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Jesus, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

And these are big ass gloves, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

These aren't MMA. No, no, no, no. They're 10. Yeah. They're tens. But then also, those also world class strikers.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's not.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this is Jason Wellness. Look at this.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my God. God.

[Joe Rogan]

Flying knee.

[Eddie Bravo]

Those are world class guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Brian just Willis, a world champion dude, he head kicked him first and then he flying kneed him out. God, bro.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, he's not doing this again.

[Joe Rogan]

So no grappling. I mean, he had zero grappling and in fact, he had one MMA fight. He got taken down a rear naked choked. So that guy got taken down a rear naked choke, which highlights how important grappling is. Yeah, Danny hooks up with Glover. So that was the big thing. Clover tear. It teaches him how to wrestle at least a little bit. Teaches. And then slowly, over time, you see it getting better and better inside, the.

[Brendan Schaub]

Octagon, takedown defense, standing up, all that stuff.

[Eddie Bravo]

But then you get to a certain point where there's not. I don't give a if Gordon's teaching. Whatever. There's not enough hours in the day to make up that gap. When you get to a certain level at the ufc, like for ddp, there's nothing we can do for him to beat Hamza.

[Joe Rogan]

There's not enough time in his life to beat Hamza wrestling.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's not 21 years old.

[Brendan Schaub]

We're like, not even to get Russians in there. And they're like, this is what you got.

[Joe Rogan]

He can definitely get better. Yeah, no doubt he can get better. But Hamza is extraordinary.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, he is.

[Joe Rogan]

He's extraordinary.

[Brendan Schaub]

He said it wasn't his strength. He said his strength.

[Eddie Bravo]

You think you can, Gordon?

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, I think. I think it's. It's possible.

[Brendan Schaub]

I have to pee before I watch this fight, because I'm excited about this.

[Joe Rogan]

I think one of the worst backgrounds to get into with mma, unfortunately, is Jiu Jitsu with no wrestling and no striking. Yeah, I think it is the worst.

[Brian Callen]

The worst because you have no ability to dictate where the. Where the fight goes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brian Callen]

So if you. If there's also an agreed upon unspoken rule in Jiu Jitsu where one guy plays top, one guy plays bottom.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct. Right.

[Brian Callen]

And the way that the point system is set up in Jiu Jitsu is that the guy on bottom stays on bottom. The guy on top tries to pass.

[Joe Rogan]

So. So there's a. They're showing a Hamza highlight reel here now. No, no, it's okay. So go ahead, keep going.

[Brian Callen]

So it's usually. It's usually the guy on top is patty cake, patty cake, patty cake. Opportunity passes, scores, backs away. Patty cake, patty cake, passes, scores. So Jiu Jitsu guys never actually focus on holding anyone down, which is why when they actually go fight people, they just have zero ability to keep them in bottom position. And if you look at the finishers, like, people are. People are minimalists in Jiu Jitsu, whereas the ideal for Jiu Jitsu is a maximalist. Like, you do the minimum amount of work to win, so they pat a cake. Pat a cake, side control three points, and they stall for the rest of the match. Whereas. Whereas if you actually go in and you look at guys who actually work towards finality, then you have guys who are actually good finishers. And so if you just combine all this, like, even Hidalfa versus that, the guy fluffy is his.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Like, he got to good positions. Like, he mounted him, he took his back multiple times, but he spent his whole career just winning on points. So when he actually went to finish him, like, there's like. It's just. You don't have the.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that fascinating that the rule set kind of. It really kind of ruined a lot of what made Jiu Jitsu important. Yeah, like, rule set.

[Brian Callen]

The number one thing that no one talks about in my career, which separates middle me, is the fact that when I put people in bottom position, no one ever stands up. And if they do stand up, they've used so much energy standing up that I wasn't even worth it to stand up in the first place. Like, everyone that I fight knows by Passing is so good, and they know my pins are so good. Like, I know if they. If I get chess to chest and half guard and pass them, I'm gonna finish them. So everyone's like, I'm getting up. Like, I spent. Like, I fought Andre, I fought Yuri, I fought all these guys. Like, no one. Everyone knows if I'm in bottom position, I'm gonna get my guard pass, and if I get my guard pass, I'm gonna finish, finish. So, like, I need to get up like my life depends on it. And nobody even gets close. And so, like, and.

[Joe Rogan]

And if they do, it sounds like bragging, but that's 100 true.

[Brian Callen]

Like, like, like when I fought back there, like, you there, like, Wagner tried his absolute horse to stand up when he was fresh. And just if you look at, he fought everybody else, fought Craig, fought everyone else. He just kicks away, kicks in the hips. He fought mma, kicks in the hip, stands up, and he's back up. And so it. It doesn't allow. Allowed to keep pressure over time. I just put him on bottom, and they just never got away. And then the one time he did get away, it was so late in the match, he was so exhausted that I just let him up, and then I just. I'm gonna put him back in bottom position. So no one talks about the fact that I can hold people down, but the number one issue with classical Jiu Jitsu guys is that they never spend any time holding people down. So when they, first of all, they can't take them down. And if they do get on top, the guy just stands up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. And also no striking at all. So going into it with that, going into MMA with no ability to take a guy down, no real experience in holding guys down, and then no strike and poor finish.

[Brian Callen]

So even if you even. You jump guard, for example, and you're in bottom, because you never spent your time actually working on, like, submission finishing mechanics, right? This guy, you can't even finish it from bottom position.

[Joe Rogan]

Guys who win Jiu Jitsu tournaments that don't even attempt to submission, yeah, they.

[Brian Callen]

Just get mount, which is unlikely because you can't take the guy down. It's. It's unlikely you're gonna hold top position. And even if you are in bottom position, you're not dangerous enough to. Dangerous enough to actually finish the guy. So it's like classical Jiu Jitsu is just getting phased out, and we call it scrimmage wrestling. What the DAG study guys are doing is going to be phased in. Like, they just.

[Joe Rogan]

I Like how someone was mocking you about scrimmage wrestling and then it got used on him by Nikki.

[Brian Callen]

Like, I'm not. Not denying it's wrestling. It's just a different kind of wrestling. And if you look at every historical piece of information, like, you look at Aaron Pico, took the guy down. He's amazing. You know, classical American wrestler couldn't hold him down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

And then Hamzat was like, the next match, he takes the guy down, rides in the hole. Like, had 23 minutes on top. The only reason he didn't have, like, a full. Almost 25 minutes was because he got stood up. Like, you know, midway through one of the rounds, I think it was, like, 23 minutes to control time. Like, I'm not saying it's not wrestling, it's just a different kind of wrestling.

[Brendan Schaub]

When you teach jiu jitsu, like, when you start with somebody, do you start from. What is the. What is the system? How do you start? Are they on the bottom first?

[Joe Rogan]

But wait, before you get to that, this, the scrimmage wrestling thing, what I was getting to is, like, somebody was mocking that. I was like, why are you mocking a term? Like, what are you trying to pretend he doesn't know what he's talking about? Like, it seems crazy, but then the exact same thing got done to him.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, correct. He was. He was like, oh, like, got done.

[Joe Rogan]

To him in a match with Nikki.

[Brendan Schaub]

Rod, that's hilarious.

[Brian Callen]

It's like everyone. Everyone just thinks you could just come in as a collegiate or freestyle wrestler and dominate, and that's just not the way. Like, there's. There's so many things in wrestling that work perfectly. There's so many things that don't work at all. There's so many things that don't make sense to do, like a fireman's carry. Like, you hit a fireman's carry, next thing you know, the guy's in a crucifix on you.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brian Callen]

Or he has your back, or you're in a triangle.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you remember when Big Daddy Goodrich fought Paul Herrera? Paul Herrera took him down, got him in a fireman's carry, and Big Daddy Goodrich locked his legs up, locked his arm up and elbow.

[Brian Callen]

That was.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, I remember that.

[Joe Rogan]

50 million times in the head. It was crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

So never do a fireman scare.

[Joe Rogan]

It was back when there was. It was. Here it is. Look at this. Watch this. This is back when there's no tapping either. Look at this.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my God, I remember this. He was out right away.

[Joe Rogan]

The referee should have stopped this 80 elbows ago.

[Brendan Schaub]

I mean, he's dead.

[Joe Rogan]

And by the way, stop, bro. It's a little extra here, but they added extra to it. Did they add. It says 50 elbows there. It repeats itself here.

[Brian Callen]

Like, it just.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a loop. But what is the actual number? Let's see if we can find the actual. Just try. Find big daddy. Good. Oh, we're watching Mauricio, Rufy, and St. Denis. It's already started.

[Brendan Schaub]

These are nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Roofy just popped in with a jab.

[Brendan Schaub]

These comedy mothership cigars are nice, Bubba.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a foundation cigar. Shout out to them like, now's this.

[Brian Callen]

Now this connection, like, take down scores. Nothing. Can he actually hold him down from this position?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, St. Denis is pretty good at holding guys down. I mean, clearly not on your level of it, but he does have a very pressure, and so you look like.

[Brian Callen]

Ruffy didn't even try. He just accepted bottom position. So it was like. There was like. There's no. Like, now he's trying to get up, but he's already got.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's a great game plan by.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Sy. This is huge for him. Full mount already.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's a question, guys. Cardio wear his ass out early.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. He's going for the arm triangle. He's going hard for it. Look at this.

[Brian Callen]

And if you look at the pace.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. I think he's gonna get it.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's called let you to a padre, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Look. Does it.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's father's milk.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Brendan Schaub]

You just bury him in your. Bury him into his.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought that was when you smother a guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that's what. That's what it looks like he's doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, no, this is arm triangle. He's. He's isolating the right arm.

[Eddie Bravo]

What do you do?

[Brian Callen]

Come out in a single leg, Double leg to double. Double legs to waist. Up to a. Up to a body.

[Joe Rogan]

Mauricio's almost up. Nope.

[Brian Callen]

He's got to lock the triangle.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's got his back now.

[Brian Callen]

Power halfway. He's going to get the taken up.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus, this is terrible for Roofy.

[Brian Callen]

Done. He should have went power half.

[Eddie Bravo]

Now you can stand up. Just stand up, Bubba.

[Joe Rogan]

What did he do? Instead of power half? What did he.

[Brian Callen]

He just. He. He stayed with two hands over the shoulders, and then the guy just kind of misaligned the body.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, now, so see, like, he had.

[Brian Callen]

A takedown, and he.

[Brendan Schaub]

He.

[Brian Callen]

He couldn't hold him down.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And now they're back at their feet, and Rufy's dangerous at a distance. Dude. Look at that. Nice knee to the body. He's dangerous and nice.

[Brian Callen]

Do you know how mentally fatiguing it is to put a guy down and not be able to do any damage? And then it's not just physical, it's like mental. It's like, I put these guy down and then he got up on me and I couldn't do anything to him.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like some special forces French guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What is his exact military. Like what did what his experience?

[Brendan Schaub]

Whatever.

[Eddie Bravo]

Their Delta team is over over there.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that what he is?

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, he's one of those guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Their version of it. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

But there's like French are no joke.

[Joe Rogan]

He's no. This dude's no joke. He's an intense. He was thanking America for helping France in World War II in one of his post fight speeches.

[Brendan Schaub]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, I love America. You helped us in World War II. Like the crowd's like, what this guy?

[Brian Callen]

So he's got his back again.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's got a French army.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got him down again. So far this is not a good round for Roofy. So now we know about roofies grappling. Because what we've seen from him is just. Well also sent to me is a beast.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's a beast.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a beast. Now, now, look at that. Full mount again.

[Eddie Bravo]

Survive this.

[Joe Rogan]

Arm triangle. Arm triangle.

[Brendan Schaub]

Gordon, do you guys start with like the traditional guard triangle or do you start.

[Brian Callen]

So what, what kind of athlete am I trying to build?

[Joe Rogan]

Elite, Brian Count.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

If I'm trying to build an athlete from the ground up.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

And I have time to work with them. I always start them in bottom position.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right on his back.

[Brian Callen]

Bottom position is the hard is the hardest to learn.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right.

[Brian Callen]

Most people start standing. Standing is actually the last thing I teach them.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Brian Callen]

I start. Yeah. Because if you can get good submissions and get off balances from bottom position, good guard retention and good escape escapes. Pin and submission escapes. Those are the first things that I do.

[Eddie Bravo]

More guys asking to come in the camp.

[Joe Rogan]

He's. He's yelling at something. He's complaining about something. Roofy is complaining about something.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's holding the glove.

[Joe Rogan]

So he's holding something. Yeah, he's holding shorts.

[Brian Callen]

Hamza asked me to train. Like in Newport. No, he was in. I was in Sweden. I'm like, I'm not going to Sweden right now.

[Eddie Bravo]

He does the camps in Newport now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's not too bad for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Okay.

[Brian Callen]

So if you train hard, it'll be great.

[Joe Rogan]

He had his Hands in his shorts. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

He can't be doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

He's holding on to the shorts, I think. Is that what he's saying, Jamie?

[Brian Callen]

Hopefully he's grabbing his dick.

[Joe Rogan]

Hopefully, he's crap. That was a fight once with Big Daddy Goodrich as well. He fought this dude, the Pedro, and he reached his hand into the guy's junk and crushed his nuts.

[Brendan Schaub]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, he did. It was legal, too, in Brazil. In Brazil, yeah. There was no rules back then. He reached his hand and crushed the man's balls. How bad do you want to win?

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, God. Is it true that is. This is just a. Is this. Or when TD Dreck is dupless? He had his finger in Kamzat's ass. Is that true or comes out.

[Eddie Bravo]

Ryan's on Tick tock a lot. I'm sorry, guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, he's on. Here we go.

[Brendan Schaub]

Edit that out.

[Joe Rogan]

50 seconds left. I like that swinging. But he's got to be so exhausted now. And now he knows he can't get taken down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Never seen Roofy like this before, man. This is interesting.

[Eddie Bravo]

Let's push him like this.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I mean, you got to think of the guys that Sun Denise fought, too. He just fought Dustin Poirier.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Strength of schedule.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

St. Denise way higher.

[Joe Rogan]

Hanato Moicano. Yep. He's fought some pretty elite guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

He lost in my kind of right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. Yeah, he got beat up.

[Brian Callen]

But you see, like, even this, like, when you're standing, there's so much less that has to go wrong for a good guy to get beaten by a guy who's not, who's much lesser. Like, when you're grappling someone, so much has to go wrong in order to lose a guy who's right, who's worse than you. So, like, if he. If he took him down in the first 30 seconds of the round and he remained in top position, like Bruce Robinson fighting him, there would have been, like, almost zero danger in the round. Which is like what Khabib and Hamza do.

[Brendan Schaub]

Correct.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Whereas in this guy that lasts 50 seconds.

[Brian Callen]

Here you get knocked out versus if you. If you're on the ground, you gotta. There's a lot of that has to go wrong to get.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, especially when you're tired. That's the thing. It's like you have to make choices. Do I move now? Am I too tired to explode out of the way? I see him winding up, so I try to duck. Like, what do I try? You don't have that. Like, when a Tama fought Dillion fight the in and out. Footwork after something like that, that shit's gone. Right. So you can't really get out of the way.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, like, let's. Even if I don't finish him, let's drain this gas tank. So his footwork's not as good, so he's not as dangerous on the feet. But this is such a good test for Hoofy because he really hasn't beat those high caliber guys yet. It's such a good test.

[Joe Rogan]

Here's a real question. Do you think that with guys like Merab and then Fluffy as well, but maybe to a slightly lesser extent, do you think what they're showing is that just like some people can do those 100 mile races, they're like Goggins and Cam Haynes does and that we think that a marathon is hard, but it's just because that's all you train for. But guys like Cam do a marathon literally every day. Yeah, it is. Just you got to go past where you think the boundary is. And a guy like Merab can keep that kind of pace up for five minutes because he's in that 100 mile run running.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean?

[Eddie Bravo]

It's like, is he genetically gifted where he can do that, or is it just all mentally?

[Joe Rogan]

He says not. He says he used to swim. That's true.

[Brendan Schaub]

They say that like Prefontaine. Those guys have harder bones in their feet and stuff like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's also from use, though. Yeah, that's from use. That's the same kind of thing. Yeah. You get that from kickboxers. Yeah, you get that from weight lifters. Oh, because.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because I'm sorry, I'm gonna say it. His hands are down. A lot of times he's close.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he just got elbowed hard. Gets caught, man, he got elbowed hard. Well, he's tired.

[Brendan Schaub]

He does get reckless.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's a very violent man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But here. He got him down again. He's got him down again.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's down to train.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got it.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's right.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's down to train.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Roofy reversed him. Oh, this is huge. That means he's tired.

[Brian Callen]

That's what I was talking about. Scrimmaging. Yeah, like roof. He was just like, I'm not accepting. And every previous takedown, he's like, I'm accepting bottom position. This time he was like, I'm not getting put on bottom. And he just kept moving until he was in top position.

[Joe Rogan]

And now he's gonna let him stand up every time this happens.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Rogan]

Ben was in more and more trouble.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

He's just got to be clean here. Just don't get wild.

[Brendan Schaub]

His. His kicking with his hands.

[Brian Callen]

Between these guys and a guy like khabib.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Yes.

[Brian Callen]

St. Denis tried to take him down in the first round and tried to finish him in the first round. So he had more. Some more submission attempts and more.

[Brendan Schaub]

More.

[Brian Callen]

He worked towards submission a lot more than like a guy like a Khabib would, but now he's a lot more tired. Like Khabib and Hamzat spend the first, like, if it's a five round fight, the first like two to three rounds just riding the guy like. There's no submission attempts. Their sole focus is keep the guy down, control him, make him carry body.

[Joe Rogan]

Weight, you know, See, this is the thing. If you get to like £155 and you're a striker, you know, that is at the weight where like most of these guys can knock each other the out. Like, if this guy fought Ilia Toria, he'd get knocked the out, right? And. Or he could knock Ilia the out. Like, it's so tight when you're at like a championship level and you're. You're that fast and hit that hard, that's a wild game. What, what you're saying, Gordon, is like, it's, it's so important for people to hear because that is the clearest pathway to success. Like complete control on the ground. It's the least amount of damage you take egg, right?

[Brian Callen]

It's safest post career.

[Joe Rogan]

Correct. Yes. S. Deni. Look at this, look at this, look at this.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's not fun. How much time? Two and a half minutes. Oh, that.

[Brian Callen]

He's gonna pull the hand down if he pulls the head down underneath his chin.

[Joe Rogan]

He's battling it. Oh, that is close though, Jack. Oh, he's putting the squeeze on the jaw.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's got. That's just.

[Brian Callen]

Oh, if he starts turning.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he taps, he taps.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Benoit St. Denis, that is the biggest win of his career.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. Oh, my.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

In France.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's a huge win. Fork in the road, that is.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's the first loss for the fighting nerds.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's a big one, man. That's a big one because Roofie was the ninja, you know, Roofy was the guy that hit Bobby Green with that wheel kick.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And Roofy was the one. Yeah, he's. He's got to be feeling it right now. I mean, that's his boy.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then his. And then the captain of the Nerds is fighting the main event.

[Joe Rogan]

Benoit just starts shooting at the ground.

[Brian Callen]

He could have turned out because he was actually budged against the fence, so he wouldn't have been able to follow him.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's a hometown bro.

[Joe Rogan]

That dude's a beast for him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good for him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's a beast. And the thing is, it's like he didn't get deterred from his losses either, you know, he gets beat up on Waikano. Didn't get deterred. Beat up by. By Dustin Poirier.

[Eddie Bravo]

He wins that last one. That was last one. He didn't look great.

[Joe Rogan]

Strong mind look great today.

[Eddie Bravo]

I took it on short notice to.

[Joe Rogan]

Do that to Roofy. That's big, man. That's big for him. I wonder.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, maybe we don't know how good Roofie is, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, we know how good he is standing, you know. Yeah, he just got submitted sending.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was working on his wrestling a lot, I think here.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's. He started. His background was judo initially. His grappling, really good grappling, you know, not fighting MMA that long. He's only been fighting MMA for a few years.

[Brendan Schaub]

Why? Wow. Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

And really didn't start striking until later. God, yeah, he's kind of a freak, man. I asked him in a post. Post fight speech, I said like, how did you get so good so quick? Like, I thought maybe like, he'd have some insight. I don't think he understood what I was saying, but he's. That is kind of remarkable, uniquely violent man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

You know, he's used to violence.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's a different, like, level of understanding of violence.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, what did you pulled up his background, Jamie? What is his background? Look at. He's shooting people. People look at this. And cutting throats.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's no joke.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll you up first Marine Infantry Paratroopers Regiment unit of the French Army Special Forces Command. He served as a special French Special Air Service operator during the war and more generally in West Africa fighting terrorist groups.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's an elite. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Fighting terrorist.

[Brendan Schaub]

Boko Haram and stuff.

[Brian Callen]

Terrorist groups in West Africa.

[Joe Rogan]

She's pretty rice.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's what. Why he's so violent.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

So he. And he's only started in 2017. He walked in gym.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think he had a judo career before that, though. This is. I think he did judo first. Right. When he was younger, didn't he? Does it say anything before that? Yeah, Practice judo.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, at a good level.

[Joe Rogan]

His mother was a teacher, his father was a. Oh, French army officer who practiced judo. So he trained in judo and France and Germany. Okay. Yeah, yeah. At the age of 8 and learned a black belt. Doesn't say at the age of 8 he got a black belt. It said he beginning at the age of eight and then he earned his black belt. He played football and rugby in his youth, so he's a beast.

[Eddie Bravo]

I mean, violent soccer, when they say.

[Brendan Schaub]

Football, he's been moving his body on a high level for a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Violent society dude. Rugby.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's also killing dudes in West Africa.

[Joe Rogan]

Killing dudes in West Africa.

[Brendan Schaub]

If you're a SAS guy like that. You were doing that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He looks like it. Like, when you talk to him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. You know, it's a very different consideration also, by the way, when you're in wartime like that, you're not as nervous. You don't expend a lot of energy, you know, with the nerves beforehand, you have more energy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's like what you've seen is so much worse than what you're about to do. Right. You're just going to go into a fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And it's probably the only job that you can do in, you know, an actual combat, which gets you ufc. You're like, yeah, it's whatever.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, name another job you can do where it's going to get you ready. Like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Everything's a step down.

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. That's the only thing that's going to make you calm. Having survived war and then fighting in the Octagon is a cakewalk.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. Especially to make it in that elite division.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, think about what Francis went.

[Brendan Schaub]

Went through.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, think about what that guy went through.

[Brendan Schaub]

Didn't he walk through the desert?

[Joe Rogan]

Walk through. Those are like seven times, dude. They kept arresting him and bringing him back to the desert. Yeah. They try to. They literally try to kill you.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They try to take you when they capture you in Morocco and then drop you off deep in the desert. And then every time you get a ride back. God, he did it seven times over. Like a long time. Like over a year, a year and a half or something. As a homeless person.

[Eddie Bravo]

There's not going to be Morocco quit in that guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Quit.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's been through the desert face.

[Joe Rogan]

He was living outside with, like a tarp. And then when he got to France, he told me he was living in a parking garage. He was sleeping in a parking garage.

[Eddie Bravo]

How about his luck, right? His son passes away, which is horrible.

[Joe Rogan]

Horrible.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then he's riding a motorcycle, hits A young lady, she passes away. Yeah, it's terrible.

[Joe Rogan]

Horrible.

[Brendan Schaub]

Been through it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's so scary. But it's like, think about what that guy's been through and then like, what. What is a fight for him, you know? But even he. After the Steepe Miocic fight, he was kind of up in the head and like when he fought Derrick Lewis, like barely engaged. Yeah, we thought that fight was going to be K. Ross.

[Eddie Bravo]

We were like, here we go.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, this one's gonna be chaos.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think my prediction was this won't go past two minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I thought it was gonna be Hammers.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like the worst fight ever was in.

[Brian Callen]

The modern day Houston. Alexander and Kimbo.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

That'S right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that was a. A very disappointing fight. But then he came back after that and started starching fools again. Yeah. Who did he knock out first? Was it Junior or Kane?

[Eddie Bravo]

Junior, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Junior Dos Santos. Yeah, he be. He beat the brakes off of Junior and then he KO'd Kane. Well, Kane's leg and he k. Did.

[Brendan Schaub]

He hit him first and then Kane leg went or did Kane's leg go and then get hit?

[Joe Rogan]

I think he hit him with an uppercut and his.

[Brendan Schaub]

And his.

[Joe Rogan]

Kane had some knee problems for quite a while. Yeah, you know, I mean, Kane's body kind of like was not strong enough for his mind.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, his. His wasn't his spine in a cage. Wasn't his spine in a cage.

[Joe Rogan]

I think they had to do some crazy surgery on him.

[Eddie Bravo]

But the most important right now.

[Joe Rogan]

He had a butt.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, they posted a picture of him. Yeah, he has a gray beard. He looks.

[Brendan Schaub]

How long he in prison for?

[Eddie Bravo]

Supposed to get on. I want to say January.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy that they made him go to jail at all and any more than he already went.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, it's just because he was.

[Brian Callen]

I mean, he shot the wrong guy, right?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, he shot the. The stepdad, who's also a creep, but he was firing the gun into the public places like on the highway. So he's going into.

[Brendan Schaub]

Can't really do that. Can't have that.

[Eddie Bravo]

So that's where they got it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Can't have that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a bad idea. You don't want to encourage that.

[Eddie Bravo]

Also, if I'm Kane, I have his skill set. Fuck a gun, dude. Don't you want to hurt this dude with your bare hands?

[Brendan Schaub]

I think you wanted to kill him.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. Do it with your hands.

[Brian Callen]

I mean, at least plan it a little better. Yeah, like if he planned it a little better, they may. He may have gotten Off.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think it was rage. I think he found out and he just went, I'm going to go kill this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

So, yeah, for sure. I mean, how could you not have 100% understand, I get it.

[Brian Callen]

But he didn't kill the guy. Now he's in jail.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's. Yeah, I know. That's true. And the guy got out before Kane did. The guy was out in the street before Kane was like, if you're going.

[Brian Callen]

To kill the guy, guy put him.

[Brendan Schaub]

In the same cell block as Kane. Here's your new roommate. Enjoy this.

[Eddie Bravo]

A guy like that has to be.

[Joe Rogan]

In protective custody, right? They'd have to hide him.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You touch kids, they want to get you.

[Eddie Bravo]

But even when, when he gets out, he's out now, he has to go into hiding, the street to get him. Especially Kane, the way he's connected. Good luck, bud. Enjoy the rest of your life, you creep. Yeah, it's a horrible, horrible, horrible story.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't think he should ever get out.

[Joe Rogan]

But so Kane back to his physical issues. Like he had like shoulder problems, knee problems, back problems, neck problems. And it's just like that guy trained so hard.

[Eddie Bravo]

All those boys did. D.C. khabib rock.

[Brendan Schaub]

They used to go full too.

[Joe Rogan]

They were so good too. Such a lion's den.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

You know, such a young Makachev was there. Like there was monsters, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And if you just think about like Kane in his prime though, like when.

[Eddie Bravo]

He beat nog best heavyweight ever.

[Joe Rogan]

I think one of them, the, the, the real travesty is that we never got to see Kane vs. Fedor in their prime. Yeah, that was the real travesty. That would have been the fight. You know, that is, you know, that's, that's the, that's like the fight. That's the one where you go, yeah, if there was one fight I could have made, yeah, that would have been it. Cain in his prime versus fate. Fedor in his prime. Because their primes overlap too well.

[Eddie Bravo]

Fedor's kind of towards the end though, but he's still good.

[Joe Rogan]

He was still pretty good when Kane was. When Kane was coming up and Kane became the champ, Fedor was still fade.

[Brendan Schaub]

How would Fader do now, you think?

[Joe Rogan]

But it's, you know, in. Oh if he's is young, young Fader's gonna people up in any generation right now.

[Eddie Bravo]

You look at the heavyweight division like you have Asimov drop off like the heavyweight star never been.

[Joe Rogan]

However, we don't even know how good Aspinall is. Like every fight he's had.

[Eddie Bravo]

And the poor guy, the poor. He just became champion at the wrong time. There's just nothing for him to prove himself.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's also so much bigger, like a guy like Aspinall is. His frame is so much bigger than Fedor's, I think. Right?

[Eddie Bravo]

He's fought big guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He'S a lot bigger.

[Brendan Schaub]

65 or something.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a lot bigger. But Fedor was a special fighter. He was special dude. You need to watch like his defense.

[Brendan Schaub]

When he's pro cop.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody see the cop.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're both in the prime.

[Joe Rogan]

He was throw. Was throwing those power high kicks and he would lift his knee all the way up here and catch it. He was catching a lot of the body kicks on his knee. God, he was. His defense in that fight was amazing. It was a. Somebody made a compilation of Fedor's defense that fight. Like when Crocop hits him with a body kick, he takes out his. His supporting leg. He was so good in his. And he could submit guys like that too. He catch arm bars out of nowhere, like he had a fully multifaceted game.

[Brendan Schaub]

So insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably the best. So explosive to the best guy in the heavyweight division ever that could do that. That can transition from a knockout blow to a triangle choke or an arm bar just like that. He, like when he catches arm bars, he would catch him. Boom. They were so fast. So fast. He was probably the best heavyweight ever of that. Don't you think?

[Eddie Bravo]

Think, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The guy who do both of those things like lightning with lightning speed. He was so good, dude. Those no Gara fights. Oh, my God. That was when Noguera was in prime, son. Noguera was in his prime. And Fedor just could not be denied. His ground and pound was terrifying.

[Eddie Bravo]

The best. Yeah, the best.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was. Remember, he fought. He fought Orlovsky, who. Who was training with Freddie Roach.

[Eddie Bravo]

An affliction.

[Brendan Schaub]

Boxing was great. And then Fedor just called, caught him, man.

[Joe Rogan]

No, Arlovski was winning that fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know, I know. And he was like, God, bro, he.

[Joe Rogan]

Caught him in the air with a picture perfect right hand.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he'd walk out like he just finished playing cards. Wouldn't he warmed up. He'd just walk out like, I just finished playing cards. I'm gonna. I'm gonna beat this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Even in mid battle, dude, his expression would never change.

[Brendan Schaub]

Never change.

[Eddie Bravo]

You've seen that they're doing slow motion when Kevin Randleman's throwing him on his head, like just relaxed middle there.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's all, yeah, been here before.

[Joe Rogan]

Never freaked out, and then within a minute, he come over, and then.

[Eddie Bravo]

Isn't it weird his brother just wasn't as good? No, his brother was a wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Killing people.

[Eddie Bravo]

But.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, his brother had better tattoo.

[Brendan Schaub]

His brother was connected.

[Eddie Bravo]

His brother had tattoo of the Grim Reaper holding the baby.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yo, did you ever see that? Yeah. Yeah. Yo, bro. Bro.

[Eddie Bravo]

That guy's in some dark.

[Brendan Schaub]

Scary.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there was a lot of dark tattoos. That dude. Dude. Hut. Yeah, he was scary.

[Eddie Bravo]

Suspect.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember when he fought James Thompson? James Thompson came out. James Thompson, an animal. He came out Raw and El Emelian Echo just picked him apart. There was that other big Brazilian cat, too. Remember that other dude that he flatlined in a similar way? Big Brazilian guy who was a heavyweight. I know you remember that.

[Brian Callen]

I don't know his name, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but he flatlined that guy, too.

[Brendan Schaub]

Watching what it takes.

[Eddie Bravo]

Look at what he does now. I think he was in legal trouble. Who.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who is this?

[Joe Rogan]

Alexander? Emiliano Fatal's brother apparently is a wild.

[Eddie Bravo]

He got some trouble.

[Brendan Schaub]

He got.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a wild fella.

[Eddie Bravo]

He served some time.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think Fedor's super close to a Putin. Oh, yeah, yeah. He probably calls him. He's like, hey, my brother up again. Is there any way maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know. Because that texting guy was mad at him once.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He was mad because Fedor criticized them having young kids fight each other.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, interesting. When he got his belt and flew back to Chechnya, gave that warload the belt, and he was wearing it like, he was like, thanks, dude, and kept it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah. That guy's been sanctioned by, like, more countries than any other ruler. Like, he's not.

[Joe Rogan]

He's kind of a wild guy to be friends with.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, Yeah. I would imagine, like the biggest mafia of lords.

[Eddie Bravo]

Did you ever see him in Hamza Roll?

[Brendan Schaub]

No. Oh, yes, I have. Yeah, I did.

[Eddie Bravo]

I did.

[Brendan Schaub]

I did. I did, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

How about Hamza and Saruki and rolling?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Very good.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's the guy that Tori is going to have all his. All the problems with. All the problems.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Sukan.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's his toughest fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's his toughest fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, he'll still be favored, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Really, really favored.

[Eddie Bravo]

I know he is.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Toria will be.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got two erasers. Yeah, yeah, he's got two erasers racers.

[Eddie Bravo]

And he grew up wrestling.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Tsurugian can also strike, though, in his wrestling.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, not like Toperia.

[Brendan Schaub]

His striking is pretty good.

[Joe Rogan]

His striking is good.

[Eddie Bravo]

Nobody on this plant would say it's as good as Topirius. I think. I think we can get problems.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Would you put your money on. On Toporia though in that fight?

[Eddie Bravo]

I wouldn't put money on that fight.

[Joe Rogan]

I'd say listen, Teruki knocks people out. He's very good striker. But what Toporia has is that weird power.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The same thing we were talking about Pereira. He's got that weird power.

[Brendan Schaub]

He does get hit though. That. But he's.

[Joe Rogan]

He does get hit. But he wants to get hit. He wants to throw himself in there so he can get those counters off because he knows when his land. So in that sense you haven't seen those kind of fight. Look what he stopped. Three legends in a row.

[Brendan Schaub]

Legends.

[Joe Rogan]

Legends in a row.

[Eddie Bravo]

Max Holloway's never been knocked out.

[Joe Rogan]

It's one of the greatest three types. Strike.

[Brendan Schaub]

I think surrounds. I would. I would probably say Tsurukian's wrestling will get the job done.

[Eddie Bravo]

We're not talking about.

[Brendan Schaub]

And it might be a boring fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

We're not talking about wrestling though.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude. To go from striking to go from knocking out Volkanovski to knocking out Max Holloway to knocking out Oliveira. That is the greatest three fight win streak in the history of sport. Kos. All flatlines. That's different.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But Sarukian doesn't get hit a lot. He's a really good wrestler. Position is big for the weight class.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is probably why they up in the last one when he got pulled from the fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because he's probably cutting too much weight.

[Eddie Bravo]

But the knock on Siruken would be when he fought Charles Oliveira who Topir just starched.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Is if that was a five round fight, he probably would have lost it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Interesting look at this.

[Eddie Bravo]

But surgeon's definitely as tough as slow mo.

[Joe Rogan]

Ko.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh my God. Yeah. Twice.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, bro. Like nobody's ever done that to Olivera like that at 55. The last time he got KO'd like that was Cub Swanson. Probably old school. Remember that?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

There was a time where Olivera was just not all in. He just wasn't like fully focused.

[Eddie Bravo]

He had like quit in them. Once you show signs of quit, you're. He found it somewhere else.

[Joe Rogan]

He found it. Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Interesting like psychological study.

[Joe Rogan]

Most.

[Brian Callen]

Most guys that at that level, all that quit like that overtly like don't make it.

[Eddie Bravo]

It never comes back. He's the one guy.

[Brian Callen]

He turned it around and I held.

[Eddie Bravo]

It against him forever. I never picked him once. I know a guy has quit in them. I'm like, I'm Out. I never picked him. And then he kept proving me wrong.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. He's an extraordinary case. Very unusual case. So Tsarukian and Taboria would be the fight. But the thing is, like, I almost think the general public doesn't know enough about. That's.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's true.

[Joe Rogan]

I almost would say, like, listen, you up, you didn't make weight. You're probably a little too big, fella. Why don't we give you one more contender. They did that, put on a show.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're giving them a fight, so they're not giving. I think it's Hooker. That's a good one.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is, is.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good one. Hooker's a dangerous guy. Is this going to be a five rounder?

[Eddie Bravo]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Who is Hooker? Hooker would take you into some deep water. Yeah, that Hooker Porier fight, that's an all time classic.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

That was a classic five round made event.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there it is. Ufc Qatar. Qatar is bringing that loot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn. What is Hooker ranked right now?

[Joe Rogan]

He's in the top 10, I believe. What is Dan Hooker?

[Brendan Schaub]

I'm actually kind of surprised at that.

[Joe Rogan]

What is Dan Hooker ranked? Dan Hooker, he's another one of those dudes.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's just like he's my ctv.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a dog.

[Eddie Bravo]

He just wants to fight. He's a guy who do bare knuckle.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He'll do anything. Yeah, he's down for whatever he got the win over. That was a great fight. Yeah. He was scheduled to fight Justin Gaethje early this year before withdrawing due to hand injury.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, he hurt his hand, remember, pulled out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's right. He's a dog.

[Brendan Schaub]

I watched that Strickland fight with. With of.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow. Soccer robots.

[Joe Rogan]

Strickland melts guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

He.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, he puts a pace on guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love the way he fights.

[Joe Rogan]

He constantly puts pressure on you and he's constantly got you moving backwards, hard to hit, slips.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know all that what Gordon is.

[Joe Rogan]

Talking about with grappling. Strickland employs a lot of that same sort of strategy with the striking. Like he keeps you backing up all the time. Yeah, there's a. There's a factor to it. Obviously you. Pereira knocked him out. He's more susceptible. He's not in control of the situation and you have wild strikes coming your way. But by always having you back up, you're going to get way more tired. Nobody runs backwards.

[Brian Callen]

He's a pressure fighter.

[Brendan Schaub]

Gets right in your.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's weird. He's a pressure fighter, but he doesn't have the power, you know, like, he's a pressure fighter. It creates volume.

[Brian Callen]

But look at Nick. Nick and Nate. Nick and Nate did the same thing. They're not knocking guys out left and right, but they're just constantly walking you.

[Joe Rogan]

Down and they have better cardio. Yeah. And it's. The thing is, it's like all he has to do is just keep hitting you at 50% if he hits you a lot of 50. And really hard to hit. Man. I was gonna say that shoulder roll thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. I'm surprised he's not taken down more. But his takedown defense, he's way harder.

[Brian Callen]

If you look at. If you look at most of the champions, they have one thing they're better than almost everybody else in the world at, and they're good. Sufficiently good at everything else.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes.

[Brian Callen]

Strickland's not better than than anybody at anything. Like, he's not the best striker. He's not the best wrestler. He's that. But he just has pressure. Like, there's so much. So much can be said for just walking a guy down and putting pressure. Now, obviously, like a guy like Pereira is used to it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

So welcome. He countered him as he was coming in, but like, for most guys, he just walks him down and puts pressure.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, dude, Khabib does enough.

[Brian Callen]

Khabib just like literally walks that guy and shuffle. Like, look at the Khabib versus Edson Barboza. Like, he knew that Edson wanted to keep him at range to kick him, so he literally, he literally, literally just walked at him so that Edson couldn't shuffle back fast enough. And he was 100. Exhausted, like inside of a round or two.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

This is. This is exciting.

[Joe Rogan]

It's very exciting. I spent a lot of pressure on Imamvolve.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Fighting in France.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well.

[Eddie Bravo]

And plus, you know, if you put on a good performance, you can fight for the title.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're next.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, Dana didn't commit because it's basically a four man middleweight tournament. So Dana's not committing, so he's letting.

[Joe Rogan]

Them put on a show.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's saying, who wants to it more?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's a big.

[Eddie Bravo]

You do it by decision, which most. These guys aren't finishers. These two aren't.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, him knocking out Adesanya, like that was crazy. I did not expect that. I thought that was going to be a close fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's every bit of 6, 3. He's a big boy. Did I watch the contender for the first time?

[Joe Rogan]

I never watched that best fight show on tv.

[Brendan Schaub]

So great.

[Joe Rogan]

You've never seen it before?

[Brendan Schaub]

I never have.

[Eddie Bravo]

It trumps Ultimate Fighter. I'm close.

[Brendan Schaub]

Did you see it? My boy, Jean Paul Lebozniani got in there, and his dad had been training him for ever. I know his dad had been training him since he was 7. There. There's video of him doing it. And. And just to watch that kid, he wanted to do everything else. His dad goes, no, you're going to. You're going to wrestle and you're going to fight. And he made it to the ufc. Jiu Jitsu.

[Joe Rogan]

Sick. We'll see. Well, this guy's coming into his own. You know, it's like. I think the Strickland fight taught him a lesson. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because it takes so long.

[Joe Rogan]

Put so much pressure on him, and he's got. Got that. He's got a weird style, too, where he throws that teep from the front foot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Strickland is, like, constantly keeping you and constantly got you moving, and he moves back really well and punches are thrown on him, and he's got his hands like this.

[Eddie Bravo]

I want to see. I'd love to see that fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

What age do you think fighters typically.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, depends what weight class.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, so wild when they're, like, really lightweight and they're still in it. Like Volkanovski.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, usually after. After 30 at the lighter weights.

[Joe Rogan]

What is this, Jamie?

[Brendan Schaub]

That's it. The boy's Naani right there. So watch this. You see?

[Eddie Bravo]

Knockout.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, he won by knockout. But check this out. Jamie, I'm gonna send you a video right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you see that again? He threw that kick off of the punch. Like, the kick and punch at the same time.

[Brendan Schaub]

Watch this, Jamie. I'm gonna send you something.

[Joe Rogan]

See that? See how he did that?

[Eddie Bravo]

Came over the top.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No, he throws the jab and. Yeah, he threw it over the top, but he did the jab and the kick at the same time. Stylebender does that a lot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, and. And he practiced.

[Joe Rogan]

That's such a slick move.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's a video of him practicing that move with his dad at 7 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nice.

[Brendan Schaub]

Watch this.

[Eddie Bravo]

Boom.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my goodness. That's nice.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, that Contender series is awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

It's very good. Yeah. And look how many guys have come out of that and are now fighting in the ufc. So many, dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

How about that UFC Paramount deal?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Great.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a lot of money. What is it, like $7 billion for seven years?

[Eddie Bravo]

No, it was. Because basically, is it 7 billion.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's. Jamie, what are you doing? Brian, you're in the middle of it.

[Eddie Bravo]

You know, you don't have to walk over to Texas.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you know his number? Airdrop him or some like.

[Brendan Schaub]

So you see this move? Watch. Watch this. Watch. When he's a kid, look at. He's with his dad. Look at this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Now watch this. Ready? He's doing his. This is when he's in first grade. Now.

[Joe Rogan]

Boom. That's crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

How cool is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, those guys that do have that, like, traditional karate background. The thing about his dad's a black. Karate, in particular, is that you're. You're not really getting hurt, and you're throwing a lot of kicks, and you learn leg dexterity. And it's like, especially, like Taekwondo, you learn leg dexterity that regular people don't have. Have. It's like just how you're talking about. Like, there's a level of cardio that you would need to run a marathon. And then you think about, that's about as good as anybody could ever get. And then there's guys that come along 100 miles. There's also that with what you're seeing with MMA, with cardio and MMA, but it's also that with everything. It's that with, like, grappling, with striking, with kicking, with everything. We're used to, like, a certain level of it, but if there's the. If elite, like, Taekwondo guys really figured out Muay Thai and then wrestling and grappling, you're in trouble. Like these guys that can throw wild wheel kicks at you and spinning sidekicks to the body, and it's their thing and their time. Yes. Because they've gotten way past the level that everybody else.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right. Yeah. I think he rolled with you, didn't he? Le Bozniani, didn't he? He was, like, 17, though. You probably don't remember, but he was very complimentary, obviously. His jiu jitsu, Eddie brought that kid's jiu jitsu is so crazy, though. And now he's in the ufc.

[Joe Rogan]

We have Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt right there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Donated to the studio. Look at that, son.

[Brian Callen]

I guess so many now. Just give him out his gifts.

[Joe Rogan]

Is someone out there? Some doctor? Fix his tummy, please. For real. You have.

[Brian Callen]

You have one, and then. I'm waiting. They have. I'm waiting. Like, I'm going to give Trump one.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, wow.

[Brian Callen]

The White House.

[Joe Rogan]

That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

[Eddie Bravo]

Joe, how many people Love that it's gold. I love that it's gold. How many people are hitting you up for those White House tickets?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, quite a few.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hey.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

How about your boys over here?

[Joe Rogan]

You probably won't pass any kind of test that you need to get in there.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, we've been to the White House. Chop and I have been to the White House.

[Joe Rogan]

Who invited you to the White White House?

[Brendan Schaub]

Some guy who is a. Back in the day. He was a fan, but he was a secret service guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Brendan Schaub]

Got us in there.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, I was all up in there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

All the room.

[Brendan Schaub]

When Obama was weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

That long ago.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's why was when Bush was.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's wild. What is all this talk about them arresting Obama? What is. What is all this silly.

[Eddie Bravo]

Is it real?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

They're really going to start doing that, going arrest informer press.

[Brendan Schaub]

Bad idea, by the way.

[Joe Rogan]

You have to arrest.

[Brendan Schaub]

Bad idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Every one of them. That's a lot.

[Brendan Schaub]

That. That warfare, that legal warfare. Look at the size of bar.

[Joe Rogan]

He's 64, son.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's a big boy.

[Joe Rogan]

Again, these guys are both 185. Okay, this is crazy. They're not 185. These are 200 plus pound guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

Him sucking weight is so hard for him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it looks like him. He looks like a 200 pound guy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Holly is also 32.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is he 32?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is that true?

[Eddie Bravo]

I think it was like a young kid.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow. Imov is 20 something. 27, 29 maybe.

[Joe Rogan]

This is a good fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's a good fight. Very good fight. Man is really, really explosive. Look at him. Probably the better athlete.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder how much it with them. Watching Roofy get tapped right before.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's what I was just thinking. It can't be good. You know, your first loss with the nerds.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. And he's a good friend of yours, training partner.

[Eddie Bravo]

And you all went through training camp for this night and he gets mud stomped.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. And maybe you know how you go with him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Mud stomped.

[Eddie Bravo]

We just get your pushed in and you're like, oh, we just didn't hire camp not to get taken down. And then that guy. We didn't last a chance. There's definitely some doubt in that. You're like, oh, our camp's not the best.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, bra is huge.

[Joe Rogan]

What was Imav's kickboxing background before he became an MMA fighter? He has a background in striking, right? Isn't. Am I wrong?

[Eddie Bravo]

No, he has a background in striking because it doesn't.

[Joe Rogan]

It certainly looks like It. When I'm looking at the way. I mean, everything looks real. Like that stutter step that he did before he delivered that right hand, man. That's really high level, man. Look at how he throws that front teep to the body. He's good, man.

[Eddie Bravo]

Remember America? Strickland beat him out. It thinks Strickland took it on short notice, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Strickland puts that pressure on you, I'm telling you. And it's a different style. It's a weird style.

[Eddie Bravo]

Strickland kind of broke him front.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he kind of broke him. I think he just overwhelmed his cardio to the point where it became defensive. That's what I would say, because Strickland just keeps that pressure on. Look what he did to Izzy. Same. He keeps that pressure on you.

[Eddie Bravo]

That. See, that'd be a good fight, Frizzy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. I think Izzy wants that fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think they're actually talking about that fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Strickland's suspension's up in November or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Anger management from jumping in the ring and punching something.

[Brian Callen]

I don't know if it's true, but I. I heard. I saw a thing on the Internet. It could be fake. It also. It also could be very well be real that he got kicked out of anger management because he kept threatening to fight the teacher.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that was just. That's just a meme bio. Almost got the trip. Yeah, almost got that trip. But Imov is no joke, man. No joke. Grappling, too. Good defense, but standing up, he seems to have an advantage.

[Brian Callen]

He's doing a really good job of keeping on the fence.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a little bit. Right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That was a guy that didn't get his flowers. Guy who did not get flowers. Gagard Musasi was a animal.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know, he used to train with Fedor.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. That makes sense.

[Eddie Bravo]

Remember with Sase, we started the big dick energy rumor about him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then he. His manager told me. He goes, yeah, yeah, he loved it.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course he loved it. We're saying he probably has a big dick. And he probably does, man. Like that giant dick. So smart, man.

[Eddie Bravo]

Very well read.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And very hot. High fight iq, too. Just intelligent, his approach to fighting, but ferocious.

[Eddie Bravo]

But then he. He went to Bellator.

[Joe Rogan]

They put him on the shelf forever, dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

He was gonna sue him to get.

[Joe Rogan]

Out, but he's too old now. Like, how old is he now?

[Eddie Bravo]

He's up. He wastes, like, three years in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. How old is gay guard Musasi now, Jamie?

[Eddie Bravo]

54.

[Joe Rogan]

Man, when he knocked out Weidman.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. Remember, knocked out Jakre Sousa, but Susa then got hit.

[Joe Rogan]

40. What's that?

[Brendan Schaub]

It's 40.

[Joe Rogan]

It's 40. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's over.

[Joe Rogan]

It's over. I mean, if you're clean.

[Brendan Schaub]

Nice shot.

[Joe Rogan]

You can fight in other organizations and keep the facts. Train kept a rolling 42.

[Eddie Bravo]

I feel fantastic.

[Brendan Schaub]

Remember when Susan put him in that guillotine, though? Just like Jacare just caught him and it was like crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you know, Jacare is Jaco.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah. He's a beast. I can't believe she.

[Eddie Bravo]

Did you see Strickland's tweet about Rampage's son? He's like, we're both head to anger management. Just one of us can have a felony on their record or one of.

[Brian Callen]

Us is gonna be able to own a gun afterwards.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's a good fight, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Bajalio's closing the distance now.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is interesting. So there's a thing about him breaking. When he fought Strickland, if you think he broke, he melted. Yeah. Like, did he. But did he just run out of cardio or did he lose his enthusiasm?

[Brendan Schaub]

He was given as good as he was getting, though, they were. They were socking it out to the last.

[Eddie Bravo]

But he broke him. He broke him. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, he certainly overwhelmed him. He certainly overwhelmed them. But.

[Eddie Bravo]

But you can tell what just the guys from his face when he wants out.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also an intelligent thing. It's an intelligence thing if you know that you don't have enough left. Like, here's. Here's an example, last round round of Strickland versus Adesanya.

[Eddie Bravo]

Strickland's like it.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, come on. He's coming towards him. Was that. Is he gonna do? Yeah. All right, let's do it. Knock me out like that.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, you already.

[Joe Rogan]

You're exhausted. You got dropped in the first round. You got. You're losing the fight. You know you're losing the fight. Stay defensive. Just get out of there.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

You could say, oh, he broke him. But isn't that just a smart move if you don't have anything left? Yeah. If you can't do it, like, you know, you're too tired to fight the guy off. Are you supposed to. What are you supposed to do, throw yourself into the fight? I mean, you could try that. That doesn't usually work.

[Eddie Bravo]

How many guys?

[Joe Rogan]

But the thing is, like, you want a guy, but you want a guy who just wants to fight to the end, too. So it's like.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's more entertaining.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. It's like, what do you What. What do you favor? Do you favor intelligence and tactics and live to fight another day? Do you look at it in terms of an entire career? Like, if you just decide to throw down right there and you're exhausted and you know you're exhausted, you only got a couple of seconds. Seconds of haymakers in you, and then you get KO'd and flatline. You're at the jaw. You're getting your jaw wired, shot at the hospital, and you're at your spend.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love seeing fighters that don't get hit like that. That. That skill, the ability to take less damage, to me, is what now. As somebody who's such a fan of fighting, that's what I love.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But then you have Max Holloway last round, and you have Dustin Poirier winning the fight. Points at the ground, and the universe rewards with a highlight. Real KO.

[Brian Callen]

Strikers will. Will in general be bigger stars than grapplers, but grapplers will in general be more successful.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, they have a higher winning percentage for sure, but the stars are always strikers. Always. Always.

[Brian Callen]

Look at Connor, look at Izzy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Always the biggest stars.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Eddie Bravo]

Always.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they put on that.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, that's the casuals. That's what they know. Like, oh, he punches him. Him, he knocks.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't care who you are to the body.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's such a. Everybody's so talented now. It's just crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. It's. It's really interesting, man. You know, it's that way with everything. It's that way with everything because they're watching each other.

[Eddie Bravo]

Even my son. My son at 9. At 9 years old, like, you watch these baseball players, you're like, these kids are nine. This is how good everybody is now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Because they specialize.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's like singers.

[Joe Rogan]

They specialize it also see what it looks like on YouTube. I think that's a big thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

I agree.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think everybody watching everybody is making everybody else way better.

[Brian Callen]

A lot more shared knowledge now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, way more.

[Eddie Bravo]

Because when we were coming up, it was like, whatever. The best kid in the neighborhood. If I was the best kid, it's like, oh, man, this is so good. But I didn't see the kid in Cuba playing. And now the kids are privy to it.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're like, oh, well, you got people like Gordon Ryan breaking down Jiu jitsu. Like that.

[Brian Callen]

That kid in Jiu jitsu, his name is. His name is Daniel. 220 volt, I think it is on Instagram. Dude, he's like 8 years old. He's, like, shredded with an apex and he's doing like flying arm bars and on. On kids in this tournament. It's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so crazy.

[Brian Callen]

He's got like 600, 000 followers. He's like 9 years old, and he just. He just goes in and just crushes.

[Eddie Bravo]

But to that point, the kids are pushing themselves so much now and specializing in each sport, and they're getting good, but. But like Tommy John surgery is up 80% with kids under 13 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they're doing it on purpose just to give. Give them an advantage, some of them.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then some because they're throwing so hard.

[Joe Rogan]

Now. This is Kid.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who's this.

[Brian Callen]

Oh, my God, there's one. Try to find the one where he's. He's doing a flying arm bar. It's pretty recent. It's up at the top.

[Eddie Bravo]

Look how jacked is in that one.

[Brian Callen]

There's one. Look at this, look at this.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

We're missing out on a good fight about. Sorry, this is supposed to be a fight or Hollywood just landed a right hand.

[Brendan Schaub]

We touched on a lot of subjects.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The thing about a guy like Imov that I was going to get at with the cardio is much like Connor, like these guys that are real fast and explosive. That is like sprinting a lot. That was a nice right to the body.

[Eddie Bravo]

Can't do both. You're not going to find a guy with crazy knockout power.

[Brian Callen]

Great.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. So the difference between him and Marab is just kind of mauls you. Yeah. He's moving fast and powerful, but once he gets a shot or two off.

[Eddie Bravo]

He'S shooting, shoot every time, no matter what.

[Joe Rogan]

And that pressure, clockwork, that pressure is going to make his strikes even more effective, because you never know when the strikes are coming.

[Brendan Schaub]

You know, boxers used to do this thing they still do where they run for like an hour and a half. And you keep your heart weight at a certain level, not super high. And that's. That's how you build new capillaries and stuff. Lance Armstrong would do that too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they call it. What do they call it? Zone two training.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Over. Over.

[Eddie Bravo]

Trade work. Fighters of UFC fighters.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. The boxers would do it for, like, literally run an hour and a half and stuff.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. UFC guys do that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I think all elite athletes in all sports are doing. Yeah. All the secrets. There's no. There's no.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, yeah. Now, the secret.

[Eddie Bravo]

Now it's a town.

[Joe Rogan]

You get to this level, like the technical. When you look at how technical everybody is now, like this fight right now, this Is an awesome fight. If these guys were just kickboxers, this was. Would be an awesome. This is like a high level fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. And they're not. They're. Their cardio is great. Like, look at this. They're both.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, still early. It's the second round.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's another.

[Brendan Schaub]

Not a lot of wrestling.

[Joe Rogan]

Very smart. Cha sun quote. He was saying that no one can fight full blast for 25 minutes. It's just too long.

[Eddie Bravo]

Fights the differ.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's what I was going to get to. It's like, okay, but isn't that like. No one can. If you run a marathon, you will die. I'll tell you right now. You want to own 26 miles, your kidneys will dysfunction.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

You will bleed out of your pancreas and you will die. There's people that'll tell you that, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

Cam Haynes ran 220 miles or something like that.

[Joe Rogan]

More. Yeah, he's run more. I think the Bigfoot 240 is 238.

[Brendan Schaub]

I hung with him in Eugene.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Brendan Schaub]

Right hand, people.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, right hand back. Oh, they both landed good shots there. Oh, Imam off.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude, this is good. How do you score this fight? I ain't. No.

[Joe Rogan]

We barely hit attention. We're watching little kids strangle each other. We were watching little kids do arm bars.

[Brian Callen]

I think I should go back to vaccines.

[Brendan Schaub]

Let's get back to that. I knew we were going to touch.

[Joe Rogan]

On it when I was a kid, you know, when, like, martial arts was on television, it was on tv. Like, maybe like PKA Karate would be on tv, you know, Remember those days, like on espn? Like, maybe like.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Once a month on a Saturday, you'd watch two dudes in karate pants throw bad kicks at each other.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine like kids growing up and seeing this now. I know from the time they're like babies, they're seeing elite level mma. Yeah, Elite level. Grappling, striking. And then if they're like, become fans and they get crazy, then they get fight pass. They start watching ufc, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

[Eddie Bravo]

You know the big difference now, now is there's the UFC video game. So, like, I learned sports through video games. Me and my brother play Madden or Tecmo ball. So I knew everything about football. The rules, everything, all the players. But now they have the UFC game. So my kids, like, know who Hamza is, not when he fights, you know, from the video game. So when they see him, like, oh, there's Hamza, because they pick him all the time in the game.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's great.

[Eddie Bravo]

And they know to use his wrestling.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. Yeah, but that makes sense. Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

I beat up, played like, I don't know, 10 years ago. I played like the first UFC video game. And I would get so mad cuz I like couldn't do the moves on the ground that I know how to do. I'm like, what's the board of the buttons?

[Joe Rogan]

That was a nice right hand.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it was. Look at that. Boom.

[Joe Rogan]

That was good. Right hand back by Baha was a good fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it is.

[Eddie Bravo]

That place, they.

[Joe Rogan]

They've never figured out a way. There's probably not a way until they get like real something that can like really change your actual experience. Like what you're seeing where they could make a virtual reality game with grappling, but you can with striking, at least with boxing. Yeah, they have those. It's good, dude, it's good. It's.

[Eddie Bravo]

I'm dripping.

[Joe Rogan]

It's competitive. Like this thing's coming at you, throwing punches at you. You'd like it.

[Eddie Bravo]

Brian, you look ridiculous, but yeah, you look ridiculous.

[Brendan Schaub]

I've done it. It's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but you hold your gloves the wrong way, unfortunately. Cuz if you punch normal like this, the gloves are like upside down.

[Brendan Schaub]

But it's a workout.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a real workout. Oh, he heard.

[Eddie Bravo]

He heard him.

[Joe Rogan]

He heard him.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Snapped his head back.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, now you see him.

[Joe Rogan]

Blood.

[Brendan Schaub]

Ah, body shot. Nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, bro. Imov looks good.

[Eddie Bravo]

He does.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, he does.

[Joe Rogan]

Balio looks like he's recovered though.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's. He's. But he's getting party.

[Joe Rogan]

He's getting touched. Yeah, he's getting touched.

[Eddie Bravo]

And I just don't think either of these guys beat Hamza.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, they gotta deal with that whole wrestling thing. Good luck with that. Good luck to everybody. So that's a really hard puzzle to solve.

[Joe Rogan]

I think for a guy like Imavov too, what we're seeing is this version of him that learned a lot from the Strickland fight. You know, I mean, think a guy like that, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

We got need in the balls.

[Joe Rogan]

Did he? Yeah, I think a guy like that goes through a loss like that and like, okay, I got to up my cardio, I got to up my pace. I got to not let people push me around. I got to learn from that. I didn't expect that. Cuz if you see strict on the outside, you don't. You don't know.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's what I think. That's where fighters make their biggest growth. Either they make so much growth and get so much better and Become contenders or they go the opposite way. That's why I'm hoping happens with Bow Nickel. If I have to watch him strike again, I'm gonna freak the out. Dude, use your goddamn grappling, man. Get with someone to help you with your grappling.

[Brian Callen]

They, they, they put him in there fast, too. Like they.

[Joe Rogan]

Super fast.

[Brian Callen]

Like, RDR is the ufc.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's the ufc, baby. But that's the thing that, like, Ed Swore says it, like, if you get. If you go to the ufc, be ready to fight anybody they offer you don't say no to anybody. Otherwise don't come. But is that smart?

[Joe Rogan]

If you're developing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Developing a fighter makes no sense.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not really smart. But the thing is, like, some guys can pull it off. Like John, right? So John did it. You know, I remember John against the standard. Gustafsson or Bonner. No, Gusmao. Like one of his first fights. And I remember thinking, like, where is this guy coming from? Like, this is crazy. This guy is so good.

[Eddie Bravo]

Well, when you saw him against Jake o'. Brien. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Boom.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, bro, he was. He was something special. Him up. So that guy got thrown right into the fire. 22 years old, fights Shogun, you know, in New Jersey, wins the title. It's crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

But you're in the big leagues.

[Joe Rogan]

But he's a freak. Most guys, if you were raising them and training them, you would, you know, if you were raising them through their career, you'd be like, we need to test you. We need to test you against a real.

[Eddie Bravo]

They've done that with. With Patty Pimlet. Now they're doing that. They've done well with him.

[Joe Rogan]

They.

[Eddie Bravo]

They do well with Sugar, Shawn, Omar Rally. Because they. I think the UFC's learned, like with Darren Tilt such a talent. Look at what he's doing now. They pushed him way too fast. Way too fast. And it. These guys up, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

Till can strike.

[Eddie Bravo]

He can crack, man.

[Joe Rogan]

He's made a career for himself. He can strike. Yeah. And that knockout of Luke Rockhole, brutal craziness. That was crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think the UFC did learn, but the UFC can only do so much. They can only do so much. And Sugar shot. They.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, here's Peter Young. I think Darren had knee problems too. I think that's part of the thing. Like, he had.

[Eddie Bravo]

He wanted. He asked for his release so he could get on that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh.

[Eddie Bravo]

And get his injuries and heal up.

[Joe Rogan]

Ah, that makes sense.

[Eddie Bravo]

Cuz he's like, I can't do this. You guys are testing me. All the time. Release me. They didn't cut him. He asked for his release. Most people think he was cut. He asked for his release.

[Joe Rogan]

Ah, that makes sense.

[Eddie Bravo]

And I just starching dudes outside the.

[Joe Rogan]

Ufc, bro, he looks so good against Rockhold. I'm like, this guy might have a career as legitimate a boxer, cuz, like, he started off as a Muay Thai guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

He actually had some boxing. Some boxing bouts too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's good, man. He's good. He's couch next. Yeah, Carl Frost, but Carl Fr is 150 years old.

[Brendan Schaub]

You guys are missing out. These guys are in each other's grill right now.

[Joe Rogan]

I know we are missing.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're at mid distance here, just banging it out. Great defense. How. The defense is outstanding, man.

[Eddie Bravo]

I just think this is great. I just think Kham's out, eats these guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

He takes him down. That, that, that. If you're that close to him, he.

[Eddie Bravo]

Finishes both of them. It just is what it is.

[Brendan Schaub]

You think so that's it. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro. He looks good, but it's the difference in, like, his faints, like, as he's moving in. It's. Everything's very precise, very much he does.

[Brendan Schaub]

I like.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nice.

[Eddie Bravo]

You like his footwork, right, Joe?

[Joe Rogan]

He's got. Got this stutter step that he does when he's coming in where you think he's coming in, then you relax a second and he did he like. He lulls you to sleep a little bit.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, it's high level. This kid is a stud.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at this. Oh, that sucks.

[Joe Rogan]

See, this is where you, like, let.

[Eddie Bravo]

That time run, baby.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's get this lung capacity back. Let's slow this heart rate down. Let him boo. That's fine, right? If you're in his corner.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, let him boo.

[Joe Rogan]

Let them boo. Let them boo.

[Eddie Bravo]

No one ever takes a full five, ever. It's never been done.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Eddie Bravo]

It's never been done.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

No one's taking the full five.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's a lot of pressure, dude.

[Brian Callen]

Five minutes was a long time when you're in there to plus the crowd.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, I. I've been kicked in the nuts by Gonzaga, poked in the eye by CRO Cop, and you think you want the five minutes. And the crowd's like, you like, okay, I'm good. Not fine. I'm good. And you're not.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God.

[Brendan Schaub]

God. These guys are evenly matched.

[Brian Callen]

That's a pretty deep shot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it was. There's so much.

[Joe Rogan]

He didn't.

[Brian Callen]

He didn't. He got in well, but he didn't.

[Joe Rogan]

Fully commit to it and we are only in round three of a five round fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

He doesn't want to gas. I really don't know how I score this at this point because we haven't.

[Joe Rogan]

Really been paying attention.

[Eddie Bravo]

From the small, small fraction I've seen Imava's up two rounds.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. I thought he definitely won that last round. Yes. He's landing the more effective strikes.

[Eddie Bravo]

But again, you ain't getting a title shot against Hamza fighting like this. It's just. It's not.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it depends on how it ends.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Correct.

[Brian Callen]

Who's RDR fighting again?

[Eddie Bravo]

Fluffy Hernandez.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, oh, there you go.

[Eddie Bravo]

And this is where. And again. Who knows? Joe, you know, you're the expert, but when you said RDR is the best match, I think it's his easiest.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, I think he knocks him out cold.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, standing.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, I don't think he bombs out.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who's that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Brian Callen]

He's been knocked out before.

[Joe Rogan]

And the difference in between his stand up versus Hamza stand up is pretty significant.

[Brian Callen]

Also, the. The fact that RDR will be concerned about the takedown.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes.

[Brian Callen]

Means that he's going to be timid to really open up. Standing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like if you watch what Hamza does to those guys, like those.

[Brian Callen]

The second he does start to get comfortable standing is when Hamza put him down.

[Joe Rogan]

That mershot fight, he went bam. Yeah. When he knows he's got an advantage. Strike. He's right. He could strike. It's clean.

[Eddie Bravo]

And he loves to strike. Like even against ddp, he's like, let me light this guy up. You know, Sookin's like, no, no, no. Just keep doing what you're doing, dude. Let's get to check can get the out of. But he's getting all this criticism from the fan base. You're boring. Boring champion. He's like, I'm boring. Homsad. Okay, okay, Watch this. And rs I'm like, yeah, let's do it.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of pressure on him to stay winning though too. You know, he has the pedigree to do it. Yeah, he does.

[Brian Callen]

I mean, once you're champion, that's the most important thing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Just keep winning.

[Eddie Bravo]

Now you're making real money. And I'm curious what the UFC is going to do with the payout because you his pay per view points before and now that's gone.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You know, right. Do you think they do it based on how many people watch? That would be.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's weird. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

But that's the best way to do it. Right. So it's like ratings on a TV show. If you got Friends ratings, you get a lot of money, you get a.

[Eddie Bravo]

Percentage of that ad revenue.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how you would do it.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's way above my pay grade.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how you would do it, but I would imagine something like that would be reasonable. Like, the idea is that, like, if more money is being acquired by the company, if they're making more money now, it would be great if the fighters got paid more money. That just makes sense.

[Eddie Bravo]

And I think the UFC is going to do that. They're going to do it. Even if the UFC doubled everybody's pay, they're still only putting out 50% of overall pay. So for the UFC, it's a win.

[Brendan Schaub]

Win is more busy with this man. He's way more busy.

[Joe Rogan]

He looks good in this round. Yeah, the thing, it's like these rounds, they, you know, this is only a minute in and this is the fourth.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So he's got a lot of fighting left to go.

[Brendan Schaub]

And Baral has been busy.

[Eddie Bravo]

But Joe, you'll hear.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at that.

[Eddie Bravo]

You'll hear guys argue fighter pay, and they compare it to the NFL and NBA and they go, it should be 50, 50. And I, I don't agree with that, because any league that's ever done above what the UFC's done, they've. They're all out of business. There's only one promotion ever in the history of fighting.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right.

[Eddie Bravo]

That makes a profits the ufc. And it's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's different. So it's hard to argue that they should do it any different. Again, even if they doubled Everybody's pay, it's only 15 of profit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

They can do it. It's nothing.

[Brian Callen]

And you can always fight somewhere else.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's a. That's a tricky one. You could.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's a. That's a good argument. But then it's like, if you want to look at your overall career, like what your potential for. For stardom is, there's no question, if you go to this, just elite guys that got paid really well in the PFL that nobody knows who they are, and then maybe they made more money than the ufc, but they won't get the same kind of sponsors. They won't get the same.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's not even close. You're out. You're basically. You went from the NFL to cfl.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, I mean, I, I see both sides, but at the end of the day if you want to make Connor money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brian Callen]

Do Connor.

[Eddie Bravo]

Correct.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true. Oh, oh. Just caught him with a right hook. Oh, oh.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh boy though.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, these dudes are throwing down.

[Brendan Schaub]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

These dudes are throwing down.

[Brendan Schaub]

God. Excellent.

[Eddie Bravo]

Hollyos his.

[Brendan Schaub]

His defense.

[Joe Rogan]

Such a high level defense.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're both. Their defense is really good. Really good. They're just strictly boxing basically right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Not a whole lot of kicks. No.

[Brendan Schaub]

Too close.

[Eddie Bravo]

Also neither guy can get the other data. They've tried.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's also tiring. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

My V was throwing some kicks earlier. He threw a lot of front kicks to the body too.

[Eddie Bravo]

They keep tying up like this, but there's no like real shots, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. They're just grappling against cage getting rest.

[Brendan Schaub]

Both have great cardio.

[Joe Rogan]

Exhausting. Oh, dude. Damn. That was nice.

[Brendan Schaub]

That was not. Not connected. Oh God. Somebody's going to get.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're open up now.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, these boys are swinging.

[Brendan Schaub]

This is.

[Joe Rogan]

They're very close to getting cracked. Each one of those punches is missing by an inch.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. God.

[Joe Rogan]

This is when it's the most terrifying if like a guy has a giant advantage. When you're like deep into the fourth and you're exhausted and he's got a giant strike.

[Brendan Schaub]

He just got caught again.

[Joe Rogan]

And maybe he tried taking him down. It didn't work out. Divine language.

[Eddie Bravo]

Imov was born in Dagistan but then moved to France. Is that how his French citizenship. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a long ass time from when he's not. Yeah. But that's enough. He got the soul.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Of the country in his bones.

[Brendan Schaub]

The culture of war ethic.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's like what a history of combat sports, man. Yeah. It's crazy. It's not a big place.

[Brendan Schaub]

Armenia, Azerbaijan.

[Joe Rogan]

Armenia, I think. How many Armenians fighters both fight? Wrestling and boxing. Wrestling, kickboxing, mma.

[Brendan Schaub]

Huge part of the culture. Same with Azerbaijan. Same with Doug.

[Joe Rogan]

I still love Armenians back in la. They were real men.

[Brendan Schaub]

They're great.

[Joe Rogan]

They were men. Men.

[Eddie Bravo]

Do you ever see in this like probably two years ago in LA they tried bringing like the trans into Armenian district.

[Brendan Schaub]

Did you see what happened?

[Eddie Bravo]

Do you see all the hair?

[Joe Rogan]

Just.

[Eddie Bravo]

Just a line of G wagon show up to the school. Just colonial Glendale.

[Brendan Schaub]

They don't around Armenians aren't hearing a no.

[Eddie Bravo]

They ride it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're like no, this ain't happening.

[Brendan Schaub]

No. Not with our kids.

[Eddie Bravo]

School bird. Our bad. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good luck with that. Don't with the Armenians. Yeah, they're tight. They're a tight group.

[Joe Rogan]

Tight group.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. Had to be.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, they tried bringing, like, the safe rooms in Armenian school.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, oh. Just caught him with a nice left hook and a right hand.

[Brendan Schaub]

God, they're couple rugged. Their faces look pretty clean.

[Eddie Bravo]

Probio is a little more beat up.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Dude. Kidding me right now.

[Brian Callen]

Imagine. But imagine how much much of time. Like, imagine how much time this takes off your fighting career versus if they just grappled the whole fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not just your fighting career, man. Your.

[Brian Callen]

Your action, your life. Your life.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. Your brain.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, this is a car accident. When you think about the kind of pressure that this fight puts on your. Just every. Yeah, everything. Your lungs, your heart, your brain, your bones.

[Brendan Schaub]

But what a thing.

[Eddie Bravo]

But you're not even considering the eight weeks in camp, right.

[Joe Rogan]

You're going in the fights, just beat.

[Eddie Bravo]

Up part of it. The. The camp you up, you have. If you have hard enough training partners, you're getting up in camp.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the worst injury you ever went into a fight with?

[Eddie Bravo]

I got knocked out three days before I fought Nogueira.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Eddie Bravo]

And I got knocked out four days before I fought Rob Bothwell.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Eddie Bravo]

Shane Carwin, sir.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. That is so his name.

[Brendan Schaub]

I would watch him spar these giants, and they would go full. And I was just, like, so horrified. And you didn't even warm up. You guys would just start banging.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, that is so.

[Brendan Schaub]

He literally wouldn't warm up. I'm not kidding.

[Joe Rogan]

That's so ridiculous. To fight three, three days after being.

[Eddie Bravo]

KO we just didn't know better. And then people like, oh, shop doesn't have a chin. It's like, yeah, yes and no.

[Brendan Schaub]

You.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, I got knocked out by Carwin right before this.

[Brendan Schaub]

You had your nose shattered by CRO Cop.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just such a nutty sport, man.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Last round.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's also the best sport.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the best sport. Yeah. I mean, it's everything.

[Brendan Schaub]

The thing is sparring in practice, it's everything. Yeah. It requires everything, that's for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the thing is, it's like, it transcends all languages, cultures, everything. Everybody. Everybody can watch this, know exactly what's happening.

[Eddie Bravo]

But also, to your point, Joe, you're watching this, you're knowing these guys are taking years off their lives.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, that's what you're dealing with.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love when people say horseback riding uses every muscle in your body.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, there's some fights like Justin Gaethje, Tony Ferguson that are hard to watch. Yeah, right. It's hard to Watch. It's horrible because it should have been stopped. Yeah, well, it.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's how this game goes.

[Joe Rogan]

That's how the game goes. He's tough. He didn't want to quit. He was trying to fight to the bitter end.

[Brian Callen]

Rory and Robbie Lawler, oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the ultimate example that.

[Brendan Schaub]

That I would stop that fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Great example. But that's also like. That's. That.

[Brian Callen]

That's like you lost five years of your life off.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's boxing. They would stop.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's the name of the game.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it's like when it's expressed that purely, it's like something special to watch. I mean, it's a horrifically violent fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

The two fights, that one was the first Ferguson Gaethje fight and the other was the Ortega Olofski Volkanovsky fight. That was awful. I would have stopped that way earlier. We knew who the winner was.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a few fights where you just go, oh, I wish this guy would just stop. Just the corner would say, this is enough.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's when your corner has to throw in the towel because fighters are too tough for that.

[Brian Callen]

Frankie and Gray man there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

But he won.

[Eddie Bravo]

But imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, follow, then he loses, bro. In his prime, Frankie Edgar was a durable dude. And the thing about him was he was a real 155.

[Brendan Schaub]

He wouldn't suck weight.

[Eddie Bravo]

An actual 55.

[Joe Rogan]

He actually weighed 155. And he's beating these dudes who are cutting crazy way.

[Brendan Schaub]

Didn't he fight 45?

[Joe Rogan]

He did, eventually, later. Yeah. And then he fought 35.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

He's about to fight bare knuckle. Right.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's getting a million bucks, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he really?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Brendan Schaub]

For real?

[Joe Rogan]

For real, for real. Damn. I get it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Poked again.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, I get it. 3, 3. 2 minute rounds.

[Joe Rogan]

Poked in the eye again. Got poked.

[Brendan Schaub]

You might have to give him a point.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's fighting Jimmy Rivera, who's no punk, but million bucks, they're going to give you a good matchup.

[Joe Rogan]

Jimmy Rivera was good in the ufc. He my face, solid striker and like very compact friend. Dude.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude needing the balls poke twice. He's gonna get my point.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. Sometimes I think I have a problem because I watch every fight. Prelims up, I watch every fight. Then I'll watch BYB Backyard Brawling. I'll watch bkfc, whatever fight, I'll just. I watch all.

[Joe Rogan]

So you think you have a problem because you like it?

[Eddie Bravo]

I can't get enough of it.

[Joe Rogan]

We're all watching it right now. We're having Fun. Like, why would that be bad?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. But like, I'll go home and watch the pretty prelims and I probably will too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's a few fighters on the prelims that I'm. I'd like to check out. And then I also like to watch some of the fights that I was talking through.

[Eddie Bravo]

Me too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

You.

[Brendan Schaub]

You haven't. You haven't lost your enthusiasm for watching fights and ever.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, Stevens, Mike's jacked. That is gonna be crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's tough to watch the chicks turn.

[Joe Rogan]

Each other into old Paul.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like it.

[Eddie Bravo]

Especially when Paige Van was fighting. I'm like, please don't.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Eddie Bravo]

Save your face, girl. When they're ugly, it's up.

[Joe Rogan]

The same.

[Brendan Schaub]

Just cracked him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, bro. Bro. These.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, boy.

[Brian Callen]

That's going to be the only clip.

[Brendan Schaub]

Watch your fingers, bro. Watch. He's got to watch his fingers, man.

[Eddie Bravo]

Annihilate.

[Joe Rogan]

So what is he doing? Is he sticking his hands forward?

[Brendan Schaub]

Every time he comes through, he comes in with those fingers.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a big problem. He's got his. He's poking his. Yeah, you can't do that.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

He's totally doing it.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, it's a big problem because it. Your whole. Your rhythm up and everything else also. And then you can take advantage of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Bro. He's doing it again.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's also a way to become world champion.

[Brendan Schaub]

Crazy.

[Brian Callen]

He keeps. He keeps getting to body locks and un. He like locks his hand. Feel some kind of danger?

[Brendan Schaub]

No.

[Eddie Bravo]

Proper shot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Varo's worrying about fingers.

[Brian Callen]

He like shoots a shitty shot. Builds up to the way as well.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then. Let's go. Let's go.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's very strange.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know. It's gonna.

[Brian Callen]

Like a takedown would be big.

[Eddie Bravo]

Huge.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It is kind of weird that Goddard isn't like saying anything while he's extending.

[Brendan Schaub]

Get those fingers out.

[Joe Rogan]

You're literally not supposed to do that.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know. That's.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, what is the law? I think that is the rule.

[Brendan Schaub]

You can't be doing this when people.

[Joe Rogan]

Are trying to stand.

[Eddie Bravo]

You can't stand. Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

You can't go out like this. Or up.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no.

[Eddie Bravo]

Can't extend any fingers.

[Joe Rogan]

Now. Can you do this?

[Brendan Schaub]

Cuz now every time you go in, you're worried about getting P in your eye.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, why we. Why do we have extended fingers in the first place? Why don't we cover those things with leather?

[Eddie Bravo]

We've been over this, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. We didn't cover it again. Someone's not Listening to us, this look. Ey pokes are real problem. Huge problem.

[Brendan Schaub]

But.

[Joe Rogan]

But the fingers like this, they don't help you with grappling. You don't.

[Eddie Bravo]

Here's the problem. So they changed the gloves before knockdowns went down, like 60%. So UFC is all 50.

[Joe Rogan]

That.

[Eddie Bravo]

But the. The real issue is, is as soon as Imov touches his eye, you should automatically deduct a point. I guarantee you he doesn't do it again. The reason he's getting away with it is because, hey, don't do that again. He's like, yeah, no doubt.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a very good three times. That's true, too.

[Eddie Bravo]

If you take. If there's no. If. There's absolutely black and white. You touch their eye, you lose a point. Guys are going to stop doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

100.

[Eddie Bravo]

But they're too loosey, goose.

[Brendan Schaub]

You got to take them down here.

[Joe Rogan]

And nutshots, too.

[Eddie Bravo]

Nutsh. Any nutshot, fence, grab, any of that would take a point.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not even a nutshot. With the proper cup, you don't even get hurt. But you can pretend you got hurt.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you six.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, oh, oh. He caught him twice.

[Eddie Bravo]

Big shot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, no. What a fight. What a fight. Dude, that was a crazy fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

I'm a vibe decision. I told you, I'm a vibe decision.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'm thinking maybe I'm a off here. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

But yeah, it looked like you move off decision. When. When a fight like that, like, it's almost like it takes a couple of seconds for these dudes could chill and hug each other.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean? Like, for a couple seconds, like, yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

That was like, remember Robbie Lawler after he fought. Was it Henderson?

[Joe Rogan]

Johnny Hendrix.

[Brendan Schaub]

Johnny Hendrix, yeah. And. And just after he won after the fight, he just kept looking at him like this, just sitting there with his lip all. I mean, he's so gang game. Robbie Lawler. I don't know if you make a human being tougher than Robbie Lawler.

[Joe Rogan]

Animal in his prime.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

One of the greatest knockouts of all times. Him versus Melvin.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, my God.

[Eddie Bravo]

Eating his legs like bowling pants. Remember, Remember in New York when they were protesting and he was on the bus?

[Brendan Schaub]

No.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, yeah, he was on the bus. They're, they're, you know, they're protesting on the streets, and there was a ufc, like, black van filled with fighters, and Robbie Lawler's one of them, and everyone's like, oh, my God, they're about to break in. He goes, sit down. Conserve your energy. We're gonna need it because those doors open, they're gonna have problems. And think of Robbie Lawler walks off that bus.

[Brendan Schaub]

Good luck.

[Eddie Bravo]

And some here lady's like, you son.

[Joe Rogan]

Of a. Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Enjoy that.

[Brendan Schaub]

He can beat up a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

What was that protest about? Was it a Gaza protest? Was that what it was?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, I was. Black Lives Matter, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So what year was this?

[Brendan Schaub]

And they do matter, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

I've always said. They do what? What year was that?

[Eddie Bravo]

When all the chaos is going on. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Has that always been there? That. That.

[Eddie Bravo]

That guy.

[Brendan Schaub]

That picture? Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Palestinian.

[Joe Rogan]

The Palestinian protest and the fighters have.

[Eddie Bravo]

Nothing to do with it. They're just trying to get to the arena.

[Joe Rogan]

So it was a Gaza thing. So this was. What time was this? What? What year was this, Jamie? Two years ago?

[Eddie Bravo]

2023.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Isn't that crazy? That Gaza shit's been going on that long.

[Brendan Schaub]

Have you seen what Gaza looks like now? Like the surface of the moon.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, here it goes.

[Eddie Bravo]

4946.

[Joe Rogan]

Seems like unanimous decision.

[Eddie Bravo]

Imov for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Nasser Dean. Imov.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's not getting.

[Brendan Schaub]

You called it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I mean, who else then?

[Eddie Bravo]

Who's getting the winner of R. Fluffy?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it really depends on what that fight looks like. Right? Because this was a war. This was a good fight. He might not have stopped him, but he put on a show.

[Brendan Schaub]

Both of their stock went out.

[Joe Rogan]

They both went after it. Yeah, it was a good fight. You didn't think it was a good fight?

[Eddie Bravo]

It's a good fight. It ain't gonna get you a title shot.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. Well, what would?

[Eddie Bravo]

Based off the UFC's standards?

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, but, like, who is the big star behind these guys now? Behind Imav? So Imavov just has this great performance.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's ranked number two.

[Joe Rogan]

He's on tv. Right? Who's the big star other than him?

[Brendan Schaub]

You mean to fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Could jump him?

[Joe Rogan]

Fluffy.

[Eddie Bravo]

And Fluffy and rdr. If there's a finish, they're guaranteed to get it. If they get a finish, which that fight should be a finish, but let's say that one's boring, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Your biggest star is Strickland, right? He's the biggest star and he beat him of us.

[Brian Callen]

And I'll talk, right? So he.

[Eddie Bravo]

And we can build that fight for a pay per view, although there's no pay per views.

[Joe Rogan]

I wonder if he can get right back in there like that.

[Brendan Schaub]

He.

[Eddie Bravo]

He comes back in November. December.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, but does he go right back into a title shot, or does he have to fight somebody because he Lost to Dricus.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Hasn't lost anybody since then. That was quite a while ago.

[Brendan Schaub]

And that fight with Dricus was pretty close.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he also had him winning the first one.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, he also had staff going into that second fight, which is a.

[Brian Callen]

Way bigger deal than he. You would think. Yeah, the average person would think.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. Drain your car just because of the. I got to take the antibiotics.

[Brian Callen]

The antibiotics and just the staff itself.

[Eddie Bravo]

Zaps your energy and cardio. Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And you're also fighting one of the most physical guys in the division, who's a bulldog. Drus is an animal.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He never gets tired. Comes throwing haymakers at you. He keeps punching.

[Eddie Bravo]

What do you do with DDP now?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's a good question.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it crazy? Like, he was. Is UFC champion, the king of the world on top, and then just gets manhandled?

[Eddie Bravo]

This is how it goes.

[Brian Callen]

Like, if you think he's gonna turn into a gatekeeper until he thinks he's ready for a title shot again if Hamza keeps.

[Eddie Bravo]

But it's like. But it's tough if he needs Hamza to either move up or move on, you know, but because it's. No one wants to see that for five rounds.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, let me say this. You. You're a grappling expert, all right? If they hired you, they said, listen, we know we have to make some change, and we want a real genius to look at my game. What. What can I do if I work.

[Brian Callen]

With DDP seven days a week for a year?

[Eddie Bravo]

Jesus Christ.

[Brian Callen]

He could be a bare minimum competitive with the comms out that he fought.

[Joe Rogan]

At the bare minimum.

[Eddie Bravo]

But then, remember, if he does that with you seven days a week, he has to forego all his other.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably should do that anyway.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? How about that? What choices. He. What a return story that is.

[Brian Callen]

That's the issue, is you need to split everything up. But there's. Right now, there's such a discrepancy in the grappling that that needs to take priority. Like, he. He could do grappling seven days a week and then spend time keeping his other skills sharp or striking sharp in the morning, but he just got dominated across the board when he had to grappling like he couldn't. He couldn't. Not only could he not stop the takedown, but he also couldn't get up. And when he did get position on Hamza, he couldn't hold it correct.

[Joe Rogan]

So I wonder what's, like, a protocol where you, like, if you continue to add work like if you start off with 10 miles, then you want to work to 11 and 12 and 13. You start off like training in MMA. You start off at this pace and you have a heart rate monitor on. You want to push it faster and harder. Like, I wonder what the threshold is, if we've even seen it yet. I really wonder, because we've always had these ideas before guys like Merab, that there's these physical limitations that a guy can't fight every minute of every round. But yeah, they can. So, like, are we there yet or is this like one of those things where no one knows yet because they haven't.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's limited up here. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's like the four minute mile. Oh, you know, there's, there's things like that.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Where guys just have to see it. They go, hold on, that's possible. And then they're like, well, if you. He can do it, I can do it.

[Brian Callen]

The sport's only 30 years old.

[Eddie Bravo]

I know. Correct.

[Joe Rogan]

Nuts. And it really, in this form is only 20 years old because like 2005. Go back and watch a 2005 UFC fight. It's pretty different. Pretty different? Yeah, pretty different.

[Eddie Bravo]

The athletes, the technique, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

There's nothing like this. There's no other sport like this.

[Brian Callen]

If you look at the sport now, like you have guys who are like specialists in one thing and that and you know, like Pereira is a great striker and then he's like decent everywhere else. Or, you know, Khabib's a great grappler and then he's, you know, got decent striking. You know, 20 years from now, people are going to be specialists in everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're going to be doing it from the time they're kids.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, like, see, we've said that, but we haven't seen it. Like they said that 10 years ago. They've said that and it did. For whatever reason. You might be right. You might be right. But these, the specialists have always dominated.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they've always. Thing is the same.

[Brian Callen]

Like if you're a specialist, we're also just meatheads. So that's another issue.

[Joe Rogan]

Fair.

[Eddie Bravo]

Meathead. But because those guys that are specials are so dominant in that one aspect that it blankets everything else. So because they control where the fight's.

[Brian Callen]

Gonna go, like, like the, the, the finality of, of mma, in my opinion, should be a situation where a generalist MMA fighter, fighter can be competitive with specialists across the board in every martial art. So could hold it. You can hold its own. Hold his own with the world's best boxer. His weight. World's best is just a guy. His weight. World's best wrestler at his weight.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's hard.

[Brian Callen]

World's best.

[Eddie Bravo]

See, I don't think that's possible Gordon.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen who you're talking to, dog.

[Brendan Schaub]

But you might be able to.

[Joe Rogan]

You just gotta, you might be able to protege that's willing to put it. So for example, they make peptides legal.

[Eddie Bravo]

Hours in the day.

[Joe Rogan]

So.

[Brian Callen]

So for example, like you know what I'm saying? So for, for example, like with wrestling, like I'm never going to be the best freestyle wrestler in, in the world, but under an ADCC rule set, I can hang with anyone, any Olympic champion under ADCC scoring criteria in a wrestling match. So like you're not going to be. The MMA guys won't be beating the best guys in their domain, but they can be competitive enough with the best guys in the world where they're not.

[Eddie Bravo]

Going to get finished.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah, like, like they won't. You know, if, if a guy is, you know this finality I'm talking about, if a guy is wrestling an Olympic champion, maybe he gets taken down four times for every two that he hits. So he was losing every match, but it's at least competitive stuff like that. So he's getting finished, you know, every, for every one finish, who's the closest.

[Joe Rogan]

That'S ever come to putting it all together? Well, GSB be I think George.

[Brian Callen]

George.

[Eddie Bravo]

But, but I also think the only way you can get to that point is getting real athletes in the ufc. Like legit athletes where guys, whether they were going to be all stars in the MLB or NFL, they start coming over to the ufc. We're not seeing that. And it's, it's because it's just, it's kind of the nature of the way America is set up.

[Brian Callen]

And it's not, it's not just the athletes too. They need to be extremely intelligent athletes.

[Eddie Bravo]

Correct?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, correct.

[Eddie Bravo]

But it's the same thing with like the reason Dagistanis are so dominant in fighting is cuz they're not. Their athletes aren't playing football, they're not playing soccer, they're not playing baseball. They're literally all, all those young men are just doing wrestling.

[Joe Rogan]

It's embraced by the culture.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And here in America, like, like I've talked to Eddie about it. Like I'm like, your kid's not savant jiu jitsu. He's like, no, cuz friends aren't doing it. They want to do what their friends are doing. So his friends Playing baseball also. He played baseball.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's cool.

[Eddie Bravo]

So it's a. It's a cultural thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

You.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't compete when the national sport is people up.

[Eddie Bravo]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like.

[Eddie Bravo]

They can't compete with us when it comes to other sports. Not even close.

[Joe Rogan]

No, not even close.

[Eddie Bravo]

Put a basketball. Good luck.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Didn't they do a football game at Sao Paulo yesterday?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, they did.

[Joe Rogan]

That's wild.

[Brendan Schaub]

Chiefs charges.

[Eddie Bravo]

No, they lost.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever been to it? Because they watch soccer. Do you ever been to a football game? Like a soccer game? Rather.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What they call football?

[Eddie Bravo]

No.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like a real one.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, a real one.

[Eddie Bravo]

Have you been?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Is it cool? It's fun. First of all, there's no breaks. Like, you know why they can't have it on tv? Because there's no room for commercial.

[Brendan Schaub]

Commercial.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't take time off. You have to be in shape.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love watching the World Cup.

[Eddie Bravo]

They run the average 10 miles.

[Joe Rogan]

These dudes all have crazy legs. Like, ridiculous. And the streamlined upper bodies. And they're just cardio machines.

[Brendan Schaub]

And soccer. If you see soccer in Europe, those kids start at like people like Messi. And all of them, they start at six, even younger. And they go to special schools where all they do is play soccer. That's the only thing.

[Eddie Bravo]

I'll do you one. So I have a Tiger, had a buddy in la and his dad was from England and he was the best 7 year old I've ever seen in soccer. I was like, what the are we doing? His dad played semi probe, so he grew up doing it. His footwork. I was like, this is insane. And then he just wasn't at school one day. I'm like, where the is this kid at? And Tiger's like, oh, he moved to England. So I text his dad, who I was buddies with. I'm like, yo, man, what the. He's like, oh, Manchester United picked him up. Like, yeah, he's seven.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

He goes, yeah, he's in the feeder program.

[Brendan Schaub]

They take the feeder program, it goes all the way up.

[Joe Rogan]

All the way up. Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And those kids. Kids, but. But most of those kids don't make it. So what happens is you play your whole life and you don't make it on the Premier League. And now you're just a good soccer player. And thanks for the time.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's no guarantee in anything.

[Brendan Schaub]

Nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing. You can't.

[Eddie Bravo]

Sports.

[Brendan Schaub]

Tennis is the same way. Tennis, it's a privilege.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not a right pro sports.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's very Cut.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And the most cutthroat is when you're fucking throwing bones at each other inside a cage in your underwear. This is the most cutthroat. The most cutthroat and the shortest career span. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Year and a half.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's the thing about, like, someone like Aaron Pico, who was wrestling on the international circuit at 16 years old and boxing, so that he was raised Golden Gloves. Yeah. He was amazing. And so his skill set is so complete. But then there are little. There are those little factors, right? You rush, maybe. Maybe you're. Maybe when in the big show, you kind of. You. You.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but forget about him. What about Laron? Laron has been quietly one of the most elite guys that no one talks about in that division, but because that division's too crazy, that division is just filled with animals. It's all assassins. It's like a. Just a killer's den.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So Laron had to make a big statement, and that was a big one.

[Eddie Bravo]

But to Gordon's point, like, when you're about talking, talking about, like smart fighters, that's the difference. Like a Jon Jones IQs through the roof.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like those ch. Like, Izzy's a very smart.

[Brendan Schaub]

How you train?

[Eddie Bravo]

Strickland is a smart guy. His fight IQ is very high.

[Brendan Schaub]

Staying injury free is a huge thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Strickland's invested all his money too, you know.

[Eddie Bravo]

Wicked smart.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, of course. You know, you think he's an idiot.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because he says crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's also why he's famous.

[Brendan Schaub]

Smart fox. Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Playing the game.

[Brendan Schaub]

Any of those. Those guys, like, I. I always look at, like, how well do you stay injury free? You know, how do you train? How much damage do you take in training while getting better? Which is really. It's a whole science. That's what I was talking about. What I love about Brian shaw, he deadlifting 1200 pounds for 13 years in a row. And. And one of the few guys who really didn't get injured.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nice. But he's friends with Jordan Peterson, so. Pass.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know. Pass. Pass. Exactly how big is he, by the way? Remember I brought him to the green room?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, it's not even a human.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's so weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Vikings. Like what. Whatever. Those thing. Yeah, this is Brian. Something from the.

[Brendan Schaub]

Brian Shaw. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Something from the.

[Brendan Schaub]

Did you.

[Brian Callen]

I took him a private.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, you did, Right. What was that?

[Brian Callen]

I made him drill. Big Dan. I'm like, I'm not drill.

[Joe Rogan]

That's funny.

[Brian Callen]

He was like, I want to do mma. So he's like, we did like, A little bit.

[Eddie Bravo]

Oh, that's right.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

MMA fight.

[Brian Callen]

We did like, some stuff on like, katakatame, like arm triangles from Mount and we did some wall wrestling stuff.

[Eddie Bravo]

And then his fight, that didn't happen, right?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, it didn't happen. He got swindled. But he. He was. He was serious. I brought him with Cody Donovan. I brought him. He went to high office, dude, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He's £400.

[Brian Callen]

He's drilling with Big Dan on the wall. And I'm like showing him like, dumping a single as the guy's leg, second leg, comes towards you, locking a double, putting him down. And I'm just like. I grabbed Dan. I just like circle him down, dude. Dan's 6 foot 7, 330 pounds. So Brian just does the first move, locks both legs and just picks him up over his head.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's like.

[Brian Callen]

And puts him down on the ground.

[Brendan Schaub]

He did the same thing with Derek Wolf. Derek wolf's all star. 285 pounds. Like, you know, the Viking and just picked him up. Derek was like, it's. It's so suffocating. He just got under hooks. I'm like, I'm gonna pick you up and move you over here and just throw. I mean, you're not doing anything.

[Joe Rogan]

He's too big.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's too big.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's like in the Bible.

[Brendan Schaub]

Like, guys, like, he's. He's Goliath.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The guys who come over the hill and everyone who runs because they're giants, they did it.

[Brendan Schaub]

They did a.

[Joe Rogan]

Just one of him, right? What he is, is like the, the echoes of the past.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, they, they looked at his giantism, his, his bone density. They didn't have giantism, actually. It's a different thing. He had his bone density is, is. Is. They've never quite seen anything like it. He has, I think, the densest bones they've ever recorded.

[Joe Rogan]

They said it's 1 in 500 million people have bones that dense.

[Eddie Bravo]

Jesus. Him and a hippo.

[Joe Rogan]

Him and like four other dudes on Earth.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's got a right. He's got rhino. Rhino muscles.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he's a real freak. But it's weird just when you're standing next to him, like, okay, this is a different thing. Like, this is a gorilla. This is a chimp.

[Brendan Schaub]

You ever hear Andy Galpin talk about they took a muscle tissue from one of these, one of the greatest Olympic lifters of all time, and this guy not only been training, but had been taken a certain, you know, certain Russian, you know, concoctions, and they found that his muscle fibers were akin to a rhinestone. Rhinos, like, the density were akin to. I'm gonna say it again. A rhino, ladies and gentlemen. Like, it was a different density.

[Eddie Bravo]

Some people are just different, like, around kids all the time. You can just grab a kid and you're like, dude, what the.

[Brendan Schaub]

You're pretty. You're pretty bad.

[Brian Callen]

When I grapple Thor.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God, Right?

[Brian Callen]

It was like. The best part is it's like, I want to do a private. I was at the. I was at the PI because we were doing UFC fight. Pedestrians pass the next day, so I had to compete the next day. So I taught him private. I'm like, I can't train because John will kill me if I get hurt. And you're pretty likely to injure me because you're £450.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's so big.

[Brian Callen]

So we do it private, and the camera guy's like, can we just do one roll? Can we just do one roll? So I'm like, I, like, look around, and, like, I see John, like, doing his workout in the. In the corner, and I'm just like, all right. He's, like, 100ft away. He probably won't see us start rolling. And when we're already rolling, I'll already be too late in my guard it. Let's do it. And that guy is just like. I think he was. I think it was close to £400, maybe.

[Brendan Schaub]

When we.

[Eddie Bravo]

Last time I saw him, I think.

[Brian Callen]

I saw you got him, and I let him start in top side control. Because we're doing side control. First of all, I was doing it. I was teaching him and Martin's leeches or I don't know how to pronounce his last name. And other strong men, side control escapes, and they immediately. I'm like, just drill the move. They immediately. Just. One of them is bottom side control. One of them is top side control. And it just immediately generates into a full live roll. They're just fighting from side control for the full hour. And I'm like, I just drilled the move. And they're like, they just can't do it. So I let them both start from top side control. So Thor locks on from top side control. And I'm like, all right, go. And he squeezes me so hard that I'm like, if he could do this for 20 seconds, he's gonna asphyxiate me just by, like. Just, like, my. My lungs cannot expand from this position. So, like, I just, like, brought my knee and elbow together and, like, swept them and. And, like, Mounted them.

[Eddie Bravo]

And I saw, I saw him right.

[Brian Callen]

After I finished him in, like, 30 seconds. And then I did it with Martin's too, who actually wrestled in high school. So he was a little bit more self, like, aware, like, with his body. He was actually a little bit harder to deal with. But I hit, like, a 6 sweep on him, and, like, as I went, he, like, used the momentum and just, like, rolled through. I had, like, perfect body position. He, like, went to go roll through. I'm like, well, guess we're going back on about them. And then, like, I rolled them through again and then adjusted the second time. But it's, it was interesting, for sure.

[Eddie Bravo]

I saw Thor.

[Brendan Schaub]

I love that it took you 30 seconds, though. It's like, it was kind of tough.

[Joe Rogan]

Because it's 30 seconds.

[Eddie Bravo]

I did a photo shoot with Thor right after he rolled with you, and he was telling me about it. He's like, yeah, I went with this Gordon Ryan. Oh. I'm like, yeah, that's my buddy. I said, you know, he's like the Michael Jordan jiu jitsu. I, I, I don't understand, man. You had me just doing all this stuff. And I go, you thought you were gonna do well? And he goes, well, yeah. I'm like, oh, buddy, no, you just.

[Joe Rogan]

Don'T know Chance, dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

I was like, and he's probably going up 50, man. Yeah, well, that's like, that's like, I just don't know.

[Brendan Schaub]

They had a pro come in, a big guy. He was a male stripper, but he had a couple pro fights in boxing, and he knocked, he brought another guy in, and he knocked the dude out.

[Joe Rogan]

So you brought a guy in a spot.

[Brendan Schaub]

You're not supposed to do that. So Wayne McCulloch, who fought at 119. Yeah, Wayne. No, this was at maybe, Maybe it was boxing. You might have been at. No, it was at Gloveworks.

[Joe Rogan]

You doing taiwo.

[Brendan Schaub]

And yeah, I will. I was, but he wasn't. I was. And he goes. Wayne goes, hey, we don't do that here, you know, Take it easy. And the guy went like this to Wayne, stuck his tongue out, knocked his buddy out again, really dangerous.

[Joe Rogan]

Twice.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes, really dangerous. So Wayne goes, Wayne goes, stay in the ring. And doesn't even, doesn't even put, doesn't even put a headguard gear on. And this giant dude, like, 220 just jacked and juiced his kills. He had his boxing. And Wayne just, He has throws, and Wayne just goes and hit him in the, in the liver. And apparently I wasn't there. I Heard that he went. He made this high pitch, just fell to the ground, and that was all she wrote. Kids just ate his liver and said, don't do that in my gym. And just got the out.

[Eddie Bravo]

Guys just don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. That sounds crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

Don't around.

[Joe Rogan]

There's so many nuts that come into gyms and want to spar, bro.

[Eddie Bravo]

Tim. Tim Kennedy. And your boy Shane invited me. That archetype boxing.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And he goes, bring your son, I'll bring mine. So when we're going, the kids will go. So I bring my boys. There's a bunch of guys there. And there's a guy, and he. He has double knee braces on, which is always a red flag. Double knee brace. I'm like, that's weird. He has his ears. Pierce ball, bald head. I'm like, oh, this can't be good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Double knee braces.

[Joe Rogan]

What kind of knee braces are we talking about?

[Eddie Bravo]

Like, the ones you have from Walgreens.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, where he's just like, have them washed. Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And you're like, this guy's a.

[Brendan Schaub]

And it was Chris angel, but he's talking.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's talking about ufc, whatever. Now, everyone in that group is a black belt. Everyone. All. All. Everyone's really good. And we're.

[Brendan Schaub]

We're, you know, we're just Satoshi trans.

[Eddie Bravo]

We're moving around with each other, you know, sparring. And this new guy. And Tim goes, hey, don't go with that guy. Everybody goes, dude, I didn't read my dms. Apparently, I invite him, like, oh, yeah, months ago, and he showed up. I didn't know he's gonna be here today. He goes, but I don't know him.

[Brendan Schaub]

So he was trying to knock people out.

[Eddie Bravo]

So he's going with his friend Shane. Shane Steiner.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

And they're going. I see him grab Shane's head and go, whoa, whoa. And Shane's like.

[Brendan Schaub]

Shane's very nice.

[Eddie Bravo]

Shane's super nice. What the fuck?

[Joe Rogan]

Collar tie.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

I mean, he's going, boom.

[Brendan Schaub]

And you never do that. We're just touch sparring.

[Eddie Bravo]

Go. So I'm like, oh, buddy. And then Tim goes, stop. Stops around. Stop, stop. He goes, you and me. You and me. That guy with the knee brace goes, you, me are going to go. So I get my son. I go, watch this, watch this. He goes, why? He goes, just watch, watch. So Tim's like, you ready? And the guy's like, y. Start the clock. They're like this. And then Tim just this dude up. I just annihilate him.

[Brendan Schaub]

And he good. You good?

[Eddie Bravo]

And the guy goes, I'm good, man. I don't. Good. And he's one of these guys. I needed that, like.

[Brendan Schaub]

And Tim, by the way. Tim, by the way, wasn't even. I saw the video of that, and Tim was being very nice. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

There's so many nutty dudes like that.

[Eddie Bravo]

What do you think was gonna happen?

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, there's so many videos online where guys don't know how to box at all. And they go into a gym, like, put the gloves on me, man. I'm a street fighter. Okay? There's so many videos of those.

[Eddie Bravo]

Do you ever see that troll that Deontay Wilder invited to his gym? Was like, you came in. I'll fight you up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

This little white dude, a wife beater, shows up.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, that kid crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Goes, let's do it. And Wilder's like, oh, sign these forms so you don't sue me. Okay. Put your gloves on. And just.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, he was saying. He was saying about his daughter. That guy. That guy's a mess. He's actually truly crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

That doesn't matter. Piece of.

[Joe Rogan]

He just invited him into your life. Congratulations.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes. Yeah, I know. Yeah, they're all nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Deontay and F. Francis is probably the only fight that I'd be interested in seeing from either one of those guys right now.

[Eddie Bravo]

Agree 100.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Deontay Francis would be.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, maybe there's another fight for Francis and heavyweight boxing, but the real fight for Francis is obviously the UFC title.

[Brendan Schaub]

When did. When was last time Deontay fought?

[Joe Rogan]

It's been a while.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

He's found some hard times since he did that ayahuasca.

[Joe Rogan]

Did he fight after that Jang fight?

[Eddie Bravo]

No, he got knocked out by Jang.

[Joe Rogan]

He has a high interest. So was that his last fight? The Zhang fight?

[Eddie Bravo]

Francis Ngannou offered lucrative return to boxing by former world champion. Your power against my power.

[Brendan Schaub]

You ever hear how Teddy Atlas talked about Deontay Wilder's power? He'll hit you so hard, he'll hit you in the face and shatter your ankles.

[Joe Rogan]

He called it the eraser because he was like. All the errors that he made, he erases him with one punch.

[Eddie Bravo]

And his technique's not great. Back foot's off the ground, but just whack.

[Joe Rogan]

It's extraordinary.

[Eddie Bravo]

When he fought, that was it. Brazil. I was working for Showtime. They sat me and my brother in New York next to that Brazil's family. And I didn't know it was getting. He's walking out. There's only people cheering and I'm like, oh, no. My brother goes, well. I'm like, we're next to Brazil. This is a dead man walking. This can be the worst time ever.

[Joe Rogan]

But you'll especially the chin that Tyson Fury has, because Tyson Fury ate one shot that on the top of the head. That went all the way down to his fat. It's fat wiggled. It's a crazy world. Just like a earthquake, it went through his body.

[Eddie Bravo]

Gets up like the Undertaker.

[Brendan Schaub]

The craziest I've ever seen.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that was the first fight. This was. This was the second fight.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Where he got dropped, I think three times.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Still came back and knocked him out.

[Eddie Bravo]

Wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Wild. His chin is insane. He took that left hook, went down and everybody's like, well, it's definitely a over. He took a right hand and then a left hook. Right. Wasn't that what it was? Left hook on the way down, flat like he's out cold. Rises and then wins the remainder of the round. And then realize in winning the remainder of the round, how to fight him.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right. Get him back. Just push him. Push him forward. Yeah, he's got.

[Eddie Bravo]

I think he's done. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Tyson fur. I think he's done.

[Eddie Bravo]

He said he's retired.

[Joe Rogan]

He was thinking about one more Usyk fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was talking about Usyk.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the closest that anybody's to. To solving us. Usyk. The early rounds. That first fight, it looked like he was solving them.

[Brendan Schaub]

Usyk is so special.

[Joe Rogan]

He's special.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, I watched them break. Like real boxers break down. What he does. Like how the traps.

[Eddie Bravo]

He says never lost, sir.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's unreal.

[Eddie Bravo]

Weight Heavyweight Olympics.

[Brendan Schaub]

Fought it. Fought. Started at 88. I mean, he's a natural cruiserweight or something. He's not even that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he fought better beef in the Olympics.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Better be.

[Joe Rogan]

Or at least an amateur fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Better be. Not another one.

[Joe Rogan]

He's another one.

[Brendan Schaub]

But he just throws ones and twos and just.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude. Three, four years ago, he was the scariest one being alive. But he's 40. Yeah, but he's obviously 40, you know, different 40. He's not getting the Golden Snitch sniffing around his pee pee going.

[Eddie Bravo]

Snitch is nowhere to be found.

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what they do. Because when he's in those fights with Bival, what kind of testing did they do? Because they're talking about a trilogy, man. Do you think?

[Brendan Schaub]

I don't know, man.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just, you know, this is the thing, Gordon, like, what they're doing with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on this UFC thing where you have to get drug tested. Like, are they drug testing everybody?

[Brian Callen]

They said they were going to start testing in 2026. What that means, I don't know. But that means that the only they.

[Joe Rogan]

Should have a multiple choice test.

[Brian Callen]

Means that they're gonna have to sign people exclusive. It's also a lot of money.

[Joe Rogan]

Jiu Jitsu has, has been juicy for so long. Like there's so many guys that are juicy that are in Jiu Jitsu. It's like, like the last 30.

[Brendan Schaub]

This is, this is all, this is all going to be caveman talk because they have that two things coming. One is that peptide that you can, you can take and you will. It literally has no endocrine. It doesn't change your endocrine thing. I think it blocks your myostatin. So you're going to be able to build muscle with almost sound effects. Crazy. And then the second thing is with this CRISPR Cas9 shit now, now thereif you have like high cholesterol, they can get your liver to stop making the kind of cholesterol youyou become that person that makes very little cholesterol and has low cholesterol naturally. And so that's what they're gonna do. So statins are gonna be a thing of the past as well. Because with Christopher Cas9 you can get one quick gene editing thing and it's coming down the pipe fast.

[Joe Rogan]

Not just that. Gary Nolan was on here and he does cancer research. He's out of Stanford. One of the things he was talking about was they're gonna develop a cream that you could rub on your skin that doesn't make you. So you're no longer susceptible to sun radiation the way. Yeah, because he's got like that weird gene. Weird gene where he has a lot of melanoma all over his skin because he has an actual expression of a gene. Like is you're much more likely to get it. And he was saying he's got like cuts all over his body where they have to always cut these things off. Yeah, but that's a gene. They can edit that and they can edit it with a cream. And I says, is this possible? He's like, oh, it's going to happen.

[Brendan Schaub]

Incredible. I can't wait. Come on, science bro.

[Joe Rogan]

They're going to turn old ladies into hot again. That's going to get weird.

[Brendan Schaub]

Did you hear the guy? The guy who. Bubba, did you hear the guy who owns the LA Times who has all those cancer patents? He said they've got this where they, they boost your helper T cell and Newsweek did an article about this. They are. First of all, they're curing bladder cancer. Cleo Blastoma.

[Eddie Bravo]

How old is she?

[Joe Rogan]

That's Martha Stewart for. Is that a real picture? Is that like a. Is that filter? She just posted it like this week. That's crazy.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's insane.

[Brian Callen]

Even with a filter.

[Brendan Schaub]

But you still got to work. But the body still sags. The body still.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you know? Brian, don't be so negative.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, don't be. Don't be a hater.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you know she had a banging body under there?

[Eddie Bravo]

But that 80 year old skin just. Just feels a little different.

[Joe Rogan]

Not when you get that super special crispr cream. There we go. Crisper cream all over your.

[Brendan Schaub]

Everybody, we're 80 and come back, you.

[Joe Rogan]

And I 80 and jacked and smelling like a baby. You're going to smell like a baby.

[Eddie Bravo]

What if they start focusing on hair, B. Huh? You guys could both have long.

[Brendan Schaub]

Long. That's coming down the pipe too.

[Joe Rogan]

You, you, you're too.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no. They got the peptide.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but I like it. I like it. But the thing is like, I don't want to talk to a haircutter. You ever been kidnapped where they just hold you there and then I told her, you are not going to treat me like that. Good for you. Stand your ground.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh my God. 40 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Take your trap.

[Eddie Bravo]

You can't go anywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, I get it. I see your point. She's out of line. Yeah, she's definitely out of line.

[Brendan Schaub]

They got that peptide that, that also you rub on your thing that grows. UCLA revives new hair.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't wait. Yeah, they've developed some sort of drug that actually grows like legitimate hair. Like revitalizes your follicles completely. They're turning back. They're taking skin and making skin young again. They're doing weird.

[Brendan Schaub]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Damn, she's got the gobbles. Look. This is this one 82, this one is 83. And then this one is 84. Is she getting something done every year or they just. I hope so. I think she's really dedicated to the cause. She's trying to up her craft.

[Eddie Bravo]

But look, look at Kris Jenner.

[Joe Rogan]

She's the Gordon Rider plastic surgery.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Rogan]

No time off.

[Brendan Schaub]

She's got a lot of money. If I could, if I could pay my mortgage off.

[Joe Rogan]

Look hot. Look hot. Yeah, let's go.

[Brendan Schaub]

I got bills.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The thing is, like, what is your, you know, what is your body pot? Like, what's the hottest body a 80 year old woman has ever had.

[Brendan Schaub]

Raquel Welch. Raquel Welch. Bring her up for a sec.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet you that's some jeans, right? Some, some ladies have those.

[Brendan Schaub]

How, how old?

[Joe Rogan]

50 or.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes. Or Sophia.

[Joe Rogan]

She's like 56.

[Brendan Schaub]

She's insane.

[Joe Rogan]

She's insane. 50. Yeah, yeah, yeah's a freak. 50 the new. Study those Latin genes though.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a fact.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

You ain't seen no white girls like that.

[Brendan Schaub]

I've seen a white girl, Scottish lady. I've seen an 80 year old English woman who looked that. No. 60 or old 60. She was beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

I've just turned 62.

[Brendan Schaub]

I've just. I've just turned 62. What is the accent with that?

[Joe Rogan]

I want you to google what is the hottest 80 year old lady. I just did.

[Brendan Schaub]

Jamie's so good.

[Joe Rogan]

Your Google search is for life.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, there you go. All right.

[Joe Rogan]

Well dude, that's coming. There is that.

[Brendan Schaub]

There is that.

[Joe Rogan]

71 year old Frank Zane is the hottest 80 year old lady.

[Brendan Schaub]

There's that. 70 year old.

[Joe Rogan]

That is ridiculous. 80 year old Grandpa crushes it.

[Brendan Schaub]

No. You know who's really, really amazing is who's the guy who sings Jesse's girl?

[Joe Rogan]

Rick Springfield.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude, check out Rick Springfield.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. He's like 72. He has no shirt on on stage.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude, it's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Brendan Schaub]

Bring up Rick Springfield.

[Brian Callen]

These are just bodybuilders.

[Brendan Schaub]

Forget all these guys. Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Christy Brinkley. Yeah, she's 63.

[Brendan Schaub]

She's good.

[Eddie Bravo]

Bring up Christy Brinkley now.

[Joe Rogan]

Shut the up, Brendan. Why are you ruining everything?

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at her right there.

[Joe Rogan]

67. 7. Pretty good.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who's the game?

[Joe Rogan]

How about that? How about that? Come on.

[Brendan Schaub]

Who's the English girl married to Q& grand 68. Liz Hurley.

[Joe Rogan]

She's hot too.

[Brendan Schaub]

Dude.

[Eddie Bravo]

She's a good.

[Brendan Schaub]

She's incredible. She's probably 60, maybe my age.

[Eddie Bravo]

Keep it together, ladies. Keep it together.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know man. That's discipline.

[Joe Rogan]

They have to lift weights. When you get to a certain point, the only way you're going to keep your kids.

[Brendan Schaub]

You should always lift weights.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you gotta, you gotta lift weights.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, you should see my boy here. I'm going to show you the best here.

[Joe Rogan]

She's 60.

[Brendan Schaub]

God damn, Jamie, I'll send you a video.

[Joe Rogan]

She's 60. Did you ever see the photo of her sitting next to Bill Clinton?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're like, oh yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'll show you the best, cuz.

[Eddie Bravo]

He was a fan of hers.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'm going to show you the best body at 74 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

He was. I'm a fan of yours always. I've always admired.

[Eddie Bravo]

What the is he wearing, bro?

[Joe Rogan]

He's wearing the I'm about to Elizabeth collection.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's damn right he is.

[Joe Rogan]

I've always been a fan of the way you present yourself on camera. It's like, dude, he's crushing it.

[Eddie Bravo]

Look at that weirdo, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, what is that outfit? They had a bull fight.

[Brendan Schaub]

Weirdo.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he a bull fighter?

[Eddie Bravo]

I don't know what the he is.

[Joe Rogan]

Imagine you're a president, former or other, and they ask you to wear that. You're like, no, I'm good. I think I'll wear a regular suit so I don't wind up.

[Eddie Bravo]

Can I just wear the regular.

[Brian Callen]

Did you see the. The picture or the video of Cuomo giving a speech with the. I think it was Muslims and one of the dudes he brought just had a durag on this game. They're all trying to fit in. They just was wearing a blue D, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Brendan Schaub]

I'll show you the best body. 74. There's nobody.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Brendan Schaub]

Nobody liked this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God, that's so funny. You gonna find Rick? Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, no. This is Shane Steiner's father. Shane Steiner's father.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's Shane Steiner?

[Brendan Schaub]

Shane's my buddy who owns the helicopter.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's rich ass.

[Brendan Schaub]

You gotta see his dad. It's. I've never seen anything. I've never seen anything like it. I'm gonna send you a video.

[Joe Rogan]

How many times did jack off to it?

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, I'm not gonna talk about taking.

[Eddie Bravo]

You way too long.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's a personal question. Well, well, Jamie, how do I get this to you?

[Joe Rogan]

Don't you know about airdrop grandpa?

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, here it is, Grandpa.

[Brian Callen]

Walk over there and have him take a picture of your phone like you did last time.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, Grandpa.

[Joe Rogan]

Send it to Jamie.

[Brendan Schaub]

Grandpa, I'm sending it. Jamie, is your airdrop on?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Gordon Ryan stays outside the airdrop ecosphere. James Pro, he's one of the the rare birds. What is Android Z Fold?

[Brendan Schaub]

No, it's my.

[Brian Callen]

Don't you have an Android now?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I still haven't switched over yet. Yeah, yeah, I do have both, but I haven't been using the other one. I'm going to use it as my primary phone once I. I have to switch a bunch of shit.

[Brendan Schaub]

He was a world champion bull rider. He's 74 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

He was a bull rider?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, world champion.

[Joe Rogan]

How's he not completely broken and he owns like.

[Brendan Schaub]

Because he's. Because he's built like that and he never. He never stops working out. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Act.

[Brendan Schaub]

It's ridiculous. 74 you.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's ridiculous.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy looks incredible.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's unbelievable. I've never seen. I kept looking at him last night. I was like I can't get over this.

[Joe Rogan]

That's. That's. His shoulders are this wide.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a discipline iron.

[Brendan Schaub]

Discipline.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And it's the whole family do for a living.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a billionaire.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's a billionaire.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is weird. Right?

[Brendan Schaub]

The Steiners own the largest cattle.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

But they're all beautiful people. And the whole family, they're all cowboys.

[Joe Rogan]

Like. You ever go to that Steiner Ranch steakhouse?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I was there last night. I was there last night. Yeah, last night. And. And their. The nephew Rocker is the world champion bucking bronco rider. The. The. His brother Sid is like the world champion.

[Brian Callen]

He had the cameo in Yellowstone.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that's right.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh really?

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right.

[Joe Rogan]

What a crazy thing to get good.

[Brendan Schaub]

The whole family's built like this.

[Joe Rogan]

Riding horses.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Bucking broncos and both bulls.

[Brendan Schaub]

Bulls. Bull riders and buck.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're all wild boys. Because then the sun. Shane only gets around by a helicopter.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right. Shane only Shane doesn't drive.

[Brian Callen]

Yeah. He used to train at Roka with us. And you used to hear the helicopter coming in the detention pond picks me.

[Brendan Schaub]

Up every day to go work out. And my neighbor's like what the hell? I'll be there at 9. Exactly. I gotta run.

[Joe Rogan]

A friend of mine, his daughter takes was taking this gymnastics class and one of the kids would get dropped off by helicopter.

[Eddie Bravo]

That's him, dude. His daughter or does gymnastics.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm like, what a flex.

[Brendan Schaub]

He's the best guy.

[Joe Rogan]

I think there's a bunch of guys that do that though. I don't think it's just one. I think Austin has a weird Texas.

[Brian Callen]

You can just like land them anywhere.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

As long as. As long as you don't as. I think it's like the rules are like. As long as you don't obviously like go against any FAA rules.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't take out any power lines. And you have.

[Brian Callen]

You have like the landlord or like just permission from the person like flew over my house.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't have a helicopter for a while.

[Brendan Schaub]

That was Shane. Tim and Shane are best friends.

[Joe Rogan]

That was Shane means helicopter.

[Brendan Schaub]

Tim will get out on this when they shooting hogs. Tim will stand on the skis and shoot. And Tim and. And Shane's like, please Wear your seatbelt. And he's like, shut up. I've done this. He's so out of his mind. They try to get on skis and come down low enough to jump off the skis onto a wild pig's back with a hatchet. And they tried that and it didn't work because they missed the pig. And apparently Tim kind of fell face first into the dirt. Jesus Christ. I'm gonna kill a pig from your helicopter. I'm gonna. They're like, you want to try that? I go, I'm not gonna do that.

[Brian Callen]

But imagine if you had a GoPro on your head and it worked.

[Brendan Schaub]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like cool with that shooting pigs out of helicopters thing. I've seen the videos. It's pretty wild. Yeah, it's fun to watch.

[Brendan Schaub]

You don't want to do.

[Joe Rogan]

Just doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, it's pest control, first of all.

[Joe Rogan]

I get it, it's pest control and I would do it. I would do it, but I can't. I just can't. If I had to do it, like if I had a ranch, it's actually.

[Brendan Schaub]

Hard to do too, because you gotta. You gotta shoot. I think it's the way you do it is a specific way. It's like, not easy to do.

[Joe Rogan]

I thought about it because Ted Nugent invited me to it and I was like, that's not the craziest thing you could do in your life is go pig hunting out of a hell.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, farmers will pay to do it.

[Eddie Bravo]

That'd be cool.

[Brendan Schaub]

Farmers will pay because they decimate your corn and stuff.

[Brian Callen]

Remember the first time we talked about it?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

You're like. You're like, pigs cause $700 trillion a year in damage to the crops. You like, look it up, Jamie. And then it was like, it's only 3 million a year. And we were both like, maybe we shouldn't be killing all these pigs.

[Joe Rogan]

Not just 3 million. It's more than that, right? I was reading some articles. I was reading some articles. Sound like clickbaity, but it was about these 500 pound super hogs that are coming out of Canada. Yeah, this is like the latest thing we're supposed to be scared of, like giant super hogs out of Canada. America.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, well, Canada.

[Joe Rogan]

But like, how are they so big? Like, what are you talking? Why are they so big? Why do you have 600 pound pigs?

[Brendan Schaub]

They get that big.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's like that picture I sent you, that deer that's got eaten stomach first in front of my house.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Eddie Bravo]

Like what the did.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that a mountain bobcat? Could be. Coyotes could be a lot of things.

[Brendan Schaub]

They do have mountain lions in Austin, actually.

[Joe Rogan]

They do. Yeah, they do. We got some kind of a cat on our camera and it's tough to tell perspective. But someone thought maybe because it was really black and it was night vision. It was before we upgraded the cameras, it would look like it might have been a German shepherd. But it was weird. It moved like a cat. Cat. But you know how German shepherds have that weird thing where they kind of like lower in the butt.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They move a little more cat like.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Which is one of the things that I think why they can go so fast like. Like Belgian Malinois.

[Brendan Schaub]

How about that Dutch shepherd? That thing you sent me? Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Insane. But this thing was in front of my house.

[Eddie Bravo]

Control, go ahead.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they were like, there's a large predator. Like bring the dog inside. And then I went and watched the video of it. I was like, what the is that? Like what is that? That?

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah. I asked animal control like what the would do this? They're like. Usually if it's like wolves or coyotes, coyotes, there would be blood everywhere. Like they eat them and then it bleeds out. But it was. Everything was clean.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's probably one animal did all the work.

[Eddie Bravo]

Yeah, no guts, no blood.

[Joe Rogan]

Mountain lion. Well, whatever the this thing was, it was in the shadows. It was hard to pick up. But it looked like a cat. It looked like a pretty big.

[Brendan Schaub]

How about the cats? You see how big those, those mountain lions are on. On Idaho and in Colorado, they're not like your 100 pound mountain lions. They're 200 pound cats.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever seen the one Derek Wolf killed? It's the biggest thing I've ever seen was massive, massive. That one in la, you know how big he is and they see him holding that wolf up. I mean holding that mountain lion up.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's crazy. That one in LA and Woodland Hills was. They said was plus 200 that big. Dude, just on the cameras.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep, bro. Well, they take down elk. They take down elk with their face. So.

[Joe Rogan]

And they eat dogs like crazy when they find them. In California when, you know they have to do those depredation things, they have a problem. Mountain lion. They found that 50 of their diet is pets.

[Brendan Schaub]

What really?

[Joe Rogan]

In San Francisco, Northern California, Bay area.

[Brendan Schaub]

Well, leopards in India do that a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

They just snatch your dogs, man, everything. But there's kids missing and yes, old days of the Hollywood Hills, there's stories about kids missing things they never Figured out what happened.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's probably a mountain.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of them up in that whole park area.

[Brendan Schaub]

Up there in, in Colorado there was a family hiking and the six year old there like was. There was all in a line and a mountain lion came out of the bushes, grabbed that six year old and disappeared.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Brendan Schaub]

Out of nowhere.

[Eddie Bravo]

Can you imagine?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh my God.

[Brendan Schaub]

No, I cannot imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you seen the one that we have on the studio wall? The one that's a photo with the cat with a Hollywood sign behind it?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's wearing a collar smaller.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

It's LA to me. That photo is LA to me because it's completely like. Everything about it is retarded.

[Eddie Bravo]

They built in. They build Runway.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah, this one is dead. But they're building other ones. A Runway. They're spending millions of dollars so they can cross the highway safety and kill dogs.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So this, this thing has a collar on its neck too. So it's this huge mountain. Like Jimmy, pull that picture up if you can find it, please. It's a huge mountain lion with a collar on his neck with the Hollywood sign perfectly illuminated in the back background. It looks fake.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, I know, but it's like this.

[Joe Rogan]

Is how goofy that town is. You have giant predators and instead of like killing them when you find them, what you do is you collar them and release them so you know where they're killing everything. That's the photo that we have on the wall back there.

[Brendan Schaub]

Look at that. Look at this. Front paws and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

Who took that photo? It's like a famous photographer, right? Give that guy his flower.

[Brendan Schaub]

They can jump a school bus. That they can lengthen, that they can.

[Joe Rogan]

Winter Steve Winter picture. Look at that. Look how crazy that photo is.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, that's a great picture.

[Joe Rogan]

I stare at that picture all the time. But that, that represents LA to me.

[Brendan Schaub]

Now it's just done 300.

[Eddie Bravo]

It's almost no sense.

[Brendan Schaub]

£300 that and you get a tiger.

[Brian Callen]

Well, dude, I was in Abu Dhabi and they had, they had like baby ligers.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh God.

[Brian Callen]

Like, like just at the size where you're like, okay, like if they bite you, they could start doing some damage. Probably like, you know, this big. Like it was clearly still a big baby, but it was like this big. Probably like, I don't know, 60 pounds. And they're like trying to get everyone to pick them up and you know, like they go home like, like if they know that you're scared, like they can sense that you're scared. They won't let you touch them. So I'm like, give me this thing. So I picked this thing up and the. It feels like you're, like, trying to move around like, steel cables. Like, their legs and their paws. It's like they feel like concrete.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Brian Callen]

Like, they're so dense.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. You ever grab a chimp? A baby chimp?

[Brian Callen]

No.

[Brendan Schaub]

They made a wood. They feel like they're wood.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

Their backs feel like they're. They're literally wood.

[Joe Rogan]

We have talked about this one we had on news radio. It was like a scene in news radio that wound up getting cut, but I had to do a thing with a baby chimp, and this thing climbed on my. With a diaper on, climbed on my back and whacked me in the back. Just. Just playing, just having a good time. Whacking me in the back. And I was so stunned by how strong it hit me. I was like, that was crazy.

[Eddie Bravo]

Look at this.

[Joe Rogan]

I feel like it was made out of wire. Like, corded. Like steel wire.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right. Just a different kind of muscle.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but imagine that in a cat that's, like, on your neck. And, you know, there's this. Just relax.

[Brendan Schaub]

Bites through your skull.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I've seen that with the monkey. Tears the guy's head off or tears the guy's scalp apart.

[Brian Callen]

Goes the wrong way.

[Brendan Schaub]

Is that real?

[Joe Rogan]

I hate looking at that. Yeah. Don't show them it. Make me put it up on the screen for everybody.

[Brendan Schaub]

Oh, I saw this. This is insane.

[Brian Callen]

He goes away and he just, like, pulls, like, half of his fucking scalp.

[Joe Rogan]

Just for no reason. Just feels like it.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah. It's a bad situation.

[Joe Rogan]

He just felt like it. Fuck you.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Guy didn't do anything wrong. He's trying to be peaceful. I am at peace with this monkey. Me and a monkey are good friends.

[Brendan Schaub]

They don't make good pets. Baboons will challenge you, especially the males.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

And. And they have large teeth.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Animals. All right, so it's gone full circle.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep.

[Eddie Bravo]

Done this.

[Joe Rogan]

Vaccinate your pets.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yep. I'm going to be at the Covina Laugh Factory this weekend. Come see me Friday wearing a lab coat on stage. That's right. I'll be wearing a lab coat. Appreciate. If you want to learn about vaccines, come to my show at the Covina Laugh Factory. I'm releasing my special that I shot at the mother ship.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brendan Schaub]

One month from today.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice. YouTube.

[Brendan Schaub]

YouTube? Yeah, YouTube. I was shopping around, but I've been sitting on it.

[Joe Rogan]

YouTube's the best anyway, because access. Access is everything.

[Brendan Schaub]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And I saw yourself the other night. It's very funny.

[Brendan Schaub]

Thank you, buddy. Did you like it? Very funny.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't want to say the material you were talking about, but we'll talk later.

[Eddie Bravo]

And firing kids just dropped the Patreon. Oh yeah, Patreon. Patreon.comt FATK.

[Joe Rogan]

And you do the show totally nude.

[Eddie Bravo]

Big nuts out finally.

[Brendan Schaub]

That's right.

[Eddie Bravo]

We don't get suppressed on got to.

[Brendan Schaub]

Get is Patreon surprise.

[Joe Rogan]

You like that or would you have to go to only fans if you want to show your nuts?

[Brendan Schaub]

We were talking about me doing a Patreon where I show my nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

How about if red hot chili pepper style?

[Brendan Schaub]

Yeah, but if I just put my nuts in different situations and we took. We did video and pictures of just my nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Guess what if I. No one that's going to make less money. No one wants to see these nuts though.

[Eddie Bravo]

They're good. They're big.

[Brendan Schaub]

I got big nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it has. He's got 765 testosterone. He's a thousand years old. Gordon, your new academy, Kingsway, where's it at?

[Brian Callen]

It's North Austin. I'm not a cloud chaser. Cloud chase like these guys. So I'm not going to talk about it. We just opened a new school, Kingsway. It's up in north Austin off 183 Kings.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it kingsway.com Kingsway Jiu Jitsu. Kingsway Jiu Jitsu.com. all right. Yeah, that's it. Goodbye, everybody.

[Eddie Bravo]

Love you guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Love you guys.

[Brendan Schaub]

Sam.

[Brian Callen]

Game on.

[Joe Rogan]

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