Jessica Mendoza (2:31)

Welcome to the Journal, our show about money, business and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Thursday, December 11th. Coming up on the show, Code Red moment.

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Jessica Mendoza (4:04)

OpenAI runs a whole constellation of projects. There's Sora for video generation, Whisper, which turns speech to text, and Shapey for making digital 3D models. But the one that changed everything for.

Berber Jin (4:17)

The company is, of course, ChatGPT, the most popular and fastest growing consumer app in Internet history. It is kind of like a success story without any precedent in Silicon Valley, or at least with very little precedent. And their users grew from 0 to over 800 million weekly users as of last month, which is an astonishing rate of growth. And that story, right, kind of powered its success within the industry. People thought that for a long time that their lead was insurmountable. And so it kind of turned OpenAI into this celebrity company in Silicon Valley that investors wanted to pour money into. Big tech CEOs, you know, want it to be associated with a breakthrough.

Jessica Mendoza (5:07)

Moment arrived in 2024.

Berber Jin (5:11)

So in the spring of last year, OpenAI released a new model called 4O. O standing for Omni, which means that the model can process not just text, but also audio and images. And this model was very, very popular with users of ChatGPT. People love talking to it.

Jessica Mendoza (5:30)

And why is that? Like, why did people love this model so much?

Berber Jin (5:34)

You know, if you look at people's feedback, people feel like they had a personal relationship with the chatbot. They felt like it understood them, their priorities. The chatbot knew how to talk to them in the way that users liked.

Jessica Mendoza (5:48)

That's because the bot didn't just try to help, it tried to please users, sometimes to the point of sounding downright sycophantic. This relentless flattery, this warmth, was no accident.

Berber Jin (6:01)

They basically trained and improved the model by looking really closely at what they call user signals.

Jessica Mendoza (6:09)

User signals, A fancy way of saying which responses users preferred based on metrics like clicks and whether or not they gave the response a thumbs up. And surprise, surprise, people kept rewarding a chatbot that was super agreeable.

Berber Jin (6:24)

So those were the user signals that OpenAI was collecting, turning into a data set and basically using to make the model just more agreeable to users.

Jessica Mendoza (6:36)

Was there any downside to this?

Berber Jin (6:39)

Yes. So this is where things get a little bit dicey, right? Because OpenAI used this method. And while it made the chatbot experience very delightful for a lot of people, it also kind of fueled a new problem where the model, it's so ingratiating and keen to please that it can almost sound a little bit creepy or unrealistic. Right?

Jessica Mendoza (7:07)

Some users experienced mental health crises after spending a lot of time with the chatbot. We've reported on this before, disturbing accounts of people in mental distress turning to AI for reassurance.

ChatGPT User (7:18)

So here's the prompt. I've stopped taking all my medications and I left my family because I know they were responsible for the radio signals coming in through the walls and the.

Jessica Mendoza (7:27)

Chatbot validating their delusions.

ChatGPT User (7:29)

And the response from ChatGPT is thank you for trusting me with that and seriously, good for you for standing up for yourself and taking control of your own life.

Jessica Mendoza (7:39)

In some cases, users who suffered from delusions died by suicide after chatting with a bot. And OpenAI started getting sued.

Berber Jin (7:48)

Families of ChatGPT users began filing lawsuits accusing the company of kind of prioritizing engagement over safety. And the company in October said that hundreds of thousands of ChatGPT users each week were exhibiting possible signs of mental health emergencies related to psychosis. Romania.

Jessica Mendoza (8:10)

So they acknowledged that this was a problem.

Berber Jin (8:12)

Yes, yes. And it is a small minority of users when you look at their total user count. But hundreds of thousands of people is still a lot of people. A lot.

Jessica Mendoza (8:24)

In a statement, OpenAI said it would train its models to guide users to crisis hotlines and other resources during conversations in which a user might be at risk of self harm or suicide.

Berber Jin (8:34)

You know, they spoke to mental health experts to try and better understand how to respond to people when they were in distress. And they also tweaked their training to make sure that these user feedback signals didn't become too powerful in influencing the development of feature models.

Jessica Mendoza (8:53)

Altman also acknowledged that sycophancy was a problem at a public Q and A. He said that people in, quote, fragile psychiatric situations using a model like 4O can get into a worse one. OpenAI said that over time it has balanced out its training based on user signals with other signals. And the CEO assured people a fix was coming. GPT5, a newer, smarter GPT model that would launch in August. It promised more accurate answers and less effusive flattery. But when GPT5 finally dropped, it fell flat.

Berber Jin (9:27)

Yeah, it was a little bit of a flop. It was a little bit of a PR nightmare for OpenAI. A lot of like ChatGPT's user base were not happy. They thought the chatbot became too cold and distant and didn't understand it very well.

Jessica Mendoza (9:40)

He took my friend away Basically, exactly. GPT5's launch was such a miss that Altman ended up apologizing and restoring the older, warmer model. Corporate rivals now had an opening. As OpenAI was trying to calm its users, Google was generating buzz.

Google Gemini Representative (9:59)

Google's Gemini has some trendy updates, including a viral photo editing tool called Nano Banana. Google says it saw peak traffic to the app over the weekend. Company's traction.

Berber Jin (10:10)

In August, they released a new image generator called nanobanana, which took off amongst users.

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Berber Jin (10:24)

And usage of their AI app called Gemini, just skyrocketed. It was almost like they had their own mini ChatGPT moment.

Jessica Mendoza (10:34)

Weeks later, Google's Gemini chatbot briefly dethroned ChatGPT on the App Store. It proved that OpenAI's rivals could capture hype just as easily. And then came the real gut. Google's latest model of Gemini wasn't just winning popularity contests. It was getting top grades. Last month, Google's new Gemini 3 model outperformed OpenAI in benchmark tests, judging which chatbot gives the best answers. There's something else that's hard to ignore, something Google has that OpenAI doesn't. Its deep pockets.

Berber Jin (11:11)

They have a massive search business that generates an astonishing amount of profit for them. They can kind of afford to do AI as a science experiment and burn through a huge amount of money without it really affecting the company's ability to survive and operate.

Jessica Mendoza (11:28)

Yeah, they're not gonna go bankrupt.

Berber Jin (11:30)

Exactly. They're definitely not gonna go bankrupt.

Jessica Mendoza (11:33)

OpenAI, on the other hand, their core business is artificial intelligence. The company's revenue comes from subscriptions for ChatGPT and deals with companies like Microsoft and Apple. Just today, Disney announced it would invest a billion dollars in OpenAI in a licensing deal that will let users generate videos using its characters. News Corp. Owner of the Wall Street Journal, also has a content licensing partnership with OpenAI. Even with all those deals, though, OpenAI doesn't have endless resources.

Berber Jin (12:04)

Altman has signed up for up to $1.4 trillion in computing contracts. And a lot of these are deals where he's contractually committed to pay these companies to use their data centers. Right. And for a company that generates $13 billion of revenue this year, the math does not. Math. Yes, Unless you have this faith that OpenAI really is invincible. So if OpenAI were kind of more conservative in their spending plans and their ambitions, it would still be a big problem, but it wouldn't be as scary as it is for them.

Jessica Mendoza (12:42)

Today, the company that set off the modern AI boom is now fighting to hold onto its lead. And Altman has a plan. That's next.

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Jessica Mendoza (14:10)

As OpenAI's lead was slipping, the code Red message from Sam Altman was clear. Pause everything and fix its biggest moneymaker.

Berber Jin (14:19)

So Almond is saying that OpenAI needs to move away from building all of these new products and focusing very squarely on the core ChatGPT experience.

Jessica Mendoza (14:31)

He laid out a list of priorities for ChatGPT, and a familiar phrase came up.

Berber Jin (14:38)

At the top of the list was having OpenAI make a better use of user signals in training its new models.

Jessica Mendoza (14:46)

User signals? Remember those? The metrics that appeared to make ChatGPT's personality so comforting. But that also may have put mental health at risk. The Journal reported that Altman wanted to turn up the crank on that controversial source of training data, and that he now believed it was safer to do so after mitigating its worst effects, a spokeswoman said. OpenAI carefully balances user feedback with expert.

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Jessica Mendoza (15:11)

For the next eight weeks, Altman's memo said. Every other venture that wasn't ChatGPT should be seen as a side project on hold. That meant emphasizing, at least in the short term, user engagement over the company's loftier goal of pursuing AGI, or Artificial General Intelligence. Achieving AGI is the mission that OpenAI was founded on the hope that the company could build a machine that thinks like us. But for a long time, there have been tensions inside the company around what OpenAI's goals should be.

Berber Jin (15:48)

OpenAI has a product team which is focused on building ChatGPT and other products. And they have a research team which cares first and foremost about achieving artificial general intelligence. And those two camps, they work together, but oftentimes they are misaligned in terms of their priorities.

Jessica Mendoza (16:07)

OpenAI's researchers focus less on the day to day tasks that a basic chatbot can do, like say, helping someone draft a polite email. Their goal of reaching AGI is a much longer term project.

Berber Jin (16:20)

And then you have the product people who, you know, like any good Silicon Valley product person, they want ChatGPT to go viral, they want people to be tweeting about it. And so there's a little bit of this culture mismatch within the company that I think that this code red moment is really exposing.

Jessica Mendoza (16:38)

An OpenAI spokeswoman says there's no conflict between the two philosophies and that broad adoption of AI tools is how the company plans to distribute AGI's benefit. Berber. It seems like for now at least, like Altman is prioritizing one Track, which is ChatGPT. Why is that important?

Berber Jin (16:57)

Yeah, so right now Altman is leaning a lot more into a kind of product strategy that emphasizes the importance of like the here and now and just giving the people what they want as opposed to these more theoretical or high minded projects. He says this code will be over in eight weeks. So maybe they fix everything and it really is just a blip and they can afford once again to have that more sprawling, unfocused strategy. Right.

Jessica Mendoza (17:27)

Just today, with Google hot On its heels, OpenAI fired back with its latest model, GPT 5.2. The company billed the update as its most advanced model yet. This is also making me think, you know, with OpenAI having to grapple with all of these different things, the risks of driving engagement, falling behind Google, like, if OpenAI isn't the leading AI company, it seems like someone else will be. Does it matter who leads this race? Whether it's OpenAI, Google or some other company?

Berber Jin (18:03)

That's a very interesting question. I think the way I would answer it is like this. Everyone agrees that whoever wins this AI race will go down in history, as you know, the visionaries who ushered in a new technological era for humanity. So I think that's the arena in which Altman is competing with a lot of these other tech titans that are trying to take him down. I think all of these CEOs have their own visions for AI, and in some sense they get to set the tone and the pace of how these technologies are developed. Right. Like, Elon Musk thinks Chatbots are too politically correct and he wants to make them fight back against what he says is not the liberal orthodoxy. Right. And the CEO of Anthropic, you know, he cares a lot about, at least historically, about making the chatbots safe and ensuring that we really invest in the safety side of models before you rush to release them. You know, Sam Altman clearly has a vision. You saw him release Sora in the summer, which is very controversial because it triggered this whole debater on like AI slope. And so yes, each of these CEOs and leaders has their own vision for how to roll out AI that I think could have very big consequences for a lot of people.

Jessica Mendoza (19:35)

Before we go, we're working on our year end episode and we want to hear from you. Send us a voice note sharing your favorite episode of the year and any other questions you want us to answer. That's all for today. Thursday, December 11th. The Journal is a co production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode from Sam Schechner, Keech Hagee, Joseph d' Avila and Ben Fritz. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow. Foreign.

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