The Battle to Be the King of Retail: Walmart vs. Amazon Episode of "The Journal" by The Wall Street Journal & Gimlet
Release Date: March 18, 2025

Introduction

In the March 18, 2025 episode of The Journal, hosts Kate Linebaugh and Sarah Nassauer delve into the intense rivalry between two retail titans: Walmart and Amazon. Framing their discussion as a modern-day "Goliath versus Goliath" battle, they explore how these industry giants are vying for supremacy in the ever-evolving landscape of American consumerism.

The Goliaths of Retail: Walmart vs. Amazon

Kate Linebaugh opens the episode by setting the stage for a colossal showdown. “[This is] a Goliath versus Goliath story,” she remarks at [00:05], highlighting the unprecedented nature of two industry behemoths competing against each other. Sarah Nassauer concurs, emphasizing the broader impact on consumers: “...a Goliath versus Goliath story and everyone else suffers in some way” ([00:15]).

The central question posed is clear: What are Walmart and Amazon fighting for? Nassauer succinctly answers, “[They’re] fighting for... the dollars of the American consumer” ([00:33]). This competition is not just about market share but also about defining the very essence of retail leadership.

Walmart's Path to Dominance

Walmart has long been the undisputed leader in U.S. retail, a status it has maintained for over three decades. Nassauer reflects on her decade-long coverage of Walmart, initially expecting to witness its gradual decline: “...covering the slow decline of the king of retail” ([03:14]). Contrary to her expectations, Walmart has demonstrated remarkable resilience and adaptability.

The company's ascent began in 1962 with founder Sam Walton, whose mission was “to have the lowest prices anytime, anywhere” ([04:06]). This commitment to affordability, combined with a vast network of stores offering a broad selection of goods, established Walmart as the go-to destination for everything from groceries to household items.

Amazon's Ascendancy and Challenges

Contrastively, Amazon, under Jeff Bezos, envisioned a comprehensive online marketplace: “a place where customers could... find and discover anything and everything they might want to buy online” ([04:42]). Throughout the 2000s, Amazon expanded aggressively by building fulfillment centers, introducing Amazon Prime’s two-day shipping, and incorporating third-party sellers into its platform.

However, despite Amazon's robust growth—now commanding 41% of U.S. e-commerce sales—Nassauer points out Amazon's struggle to penetrate the fresh grocery delivery market effectively ([13:06]). The company’s acquisition of Whole Foods provided some leverage, but its limited number of stores and higher price points compared to Walmart's extensive and diverse offerings pose significant challenges.

Strategies in the Online Realm

In response to Amazon's growing dominance, Walmart's new CEO, Doug McMillan, initiated strategic shifts to bolster the company's online presence ([05:59]). One pivotal move was the experimentation with online grocery pickup and delivery services in Denver, Colorado ([06:37]).

This initiative evolved into Walmart’s Spark app, launched in 2018, which utilizes a network of freelance drivers to facilitate same-day grocery deliveries ([10:56]). “[Spark] is named after the yellow star logo of Walmart...” explains Nassauer, detailing how the app integrates with store employees to streamline the delivery process ([11:06]).

The Grocery Delivery Battleground

Grocery delivery stands out as Walmart’s strategic advantage over Amazon. With over 50% of its U.S. sales derived from groceries, Walmart leverages its expansive network of supercenters—4,600 across the nation—to offer unparalleled delivery speed and convenience. Nassauer underscores this advantage: “...they have grocery stores that have the same level of coverage... whereas Amazon... doesn’t have that infrastructure” ([13:06]).

Walmart's focus on same-day delivery has enabled it to serve 93% of American households, a feat Amazon has yet to match due to logistical complexities and lower margins in fresh food delivery ([12:27], [13:06]). Additionally, Walmart's ability to offer a comprehensive grocery selection, including both organic and mainstream brands, contrasts with Whole Foods' more limited inventory ([14:09]-[14:20]).

Comparative Advantages

Walmart's entrenched presence in physical retail provides a logistical backbone that Amazon lacks. Nassauer notes, “Walmart sees low prices, having stores all over America... and their giant grocery business as their edge” ([10:30]). In contrast, Amazon's ventures into grocery, such as Amazon Grocery stores adjacent to Whole Foods, attempt to bridge the gap but face inherent limitations due to store scarcity and higher price points ([14:47]).

Moreover, Walmart's Spark app accounts for over 80% of its deliveries, highlighting the efficiency and scalability of its delivery network ([12:27]). This sophisticated mapping technology allows for precise delivery routing, enhancing customer satisfaction and operational efficiency.

Market Share and Financials

Despite Walmart capturing a significant share of the market, its e-commerce operations hold only a 9% share of U.S. e-commerce sales compared to Amazon’s 41% ([15:05]). Nonetheless, Nassauer argues that Walmart's aggressive investment in online services is justified by its potential to increase sales and capture greater market share, even if the online segment remains unprofitable as a standalone operation ([15:05]-[15:14]).

Conclusion: The Future of Retail Leadership

As the episode draws to a close, Nassauer reflects on the enduring strength of Walmart alongside Amazon’s technological prowess. “[Walmart] is so formidable... I cannot imagine a future where they're not a big player...” she states ([16:09]). While acknowledging Amazon's innovations in technology, AI, and e-commerce, Nassauer remains confident in Walmart’s foundational advantages rooted in its extensive physical presence and grocery expertise.

The battle between Walmart and Amazon exemplifies the high-stakes competition shaping modern retail. As both giants continue to evolve and adapt, the outcome of this clash will significantly influence the future landscape of American consumerism.

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