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Kate Linebaugh
At a federal courthouse in Manhattan, a witness was called to the stand. He was testifying for the prosecution. The witness, Patrick Vor, had been the chief software engineer at a financial aid startup called Frank. On the stand, he recounted a story from back in 2021. Frank's founder, a woman named Charlie Javiss, was on the precipice of selling her business to JPMorgan Chase. It would be a big, life changing deal. And this witness testified that Javice had an unusual request.
Alexander Saidi
She tells him, I need you to create a synthetic database containing 4 million profiles, essentially artificial data.
Kate Linebaugh
That's our colleague, Alexander Saidi. So how does this engineer testify that he responded to this request?
Alexander Saidi
Well, at first he says, is this even legal? And he then says he refused to do it because he wasn't sure it was even legal. What was being asked of him in reply? Charlie said to him, don't worry, I don't want to end up in an orange jumpsuit. It was when the jumpsuit comment happened that it was like, this is a real trial about real crimes. There are 12 real people sitting here listening and deciding whether or not you're going to really go to jail or not. And when he said it in front of the jury, you could feel it in the room that the stakes just got a lot higher. And I'm not trying to be dramatic, it really did feel that way.
Kate Linebaugh
This trial, which concluded Friday, exposed not just the actions of Charlie Javice, it also revealed ignored warnings and lax due diligence at JP Morgan on a deal that CEO Jamie Dimon has called a, quote, huge mistake. Why was this trial worth paying attention to?
Alexander Saidi
It was worth paying attention to because it offered a pretty unprecedented insight into how the sausage gets made at arguably the most powerful bank in the world. The big question was, well, how did this happen at the biggest bank in the country that's supposed to be an expert in deal making?
Kate Linebaugh
And did you get the answers?
Alexander Saidi
I would say I did get the answers.
Kate Linebaugh
Welcome to the Journal, our show about money, business and power. I'm Kate LINEBAUGH. It's Wednesday, April 2nd. Coming up on the show, how a fraud trial exposed embarrassing details about JP Morgan Foreign.
Tim Higgins
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Charlie Javice
Hi, my name is Charlie Javice and I am the founder and CEO of Frank. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Kate Linebaugh
Frank, what you're hearing is Exhibit 1.8 in the case of the United States of America v. Charlie Javice. This video is from an archived webinar where Javice is introducing her financial aid business. Frank.
Charlie Javice
To date, we've helped close to 1 million students get access to financial aid. We're so proud of our work.
Kate Linebaugh
Javiz graduated from the Wharton School of Business. She was a high achieving wunderkind with a gift for marketing herself. When she was in her 20s, she started Frank. Why did she name it Frank?
Alexander Saidi
That's a good question. She named it Frank, according to a TV interview that I saw. It means I'm forthright with you.
Charlie Javice
And so Frank kind of represented that as a name because it just meant honest and also.
Alexander Saidi
So that's why it was called Frank.
Kate Linebaugh
Frank was a tool that was meant to make it easier for students applying for financial aid for college or graduate school. At the core of the trial was the 2021 sale of Frank to J.P. morgan for $175 million. J.P. morgan had bought Frank in large part for its millions of young users.
Alexander Saidi
The bank says that what they felt that they were buying was a list of customers. A highly vetted and high quality list of customers.
Kate Linebaugh
When did it start to become clear to JP Morgan that there was a problem?
Alexander Saidi
It came up on them slowly and then all at once.
Kate Linebaugh
During the trial, JP Morgan executives recounted the moment that they started to get worried. It happened some months after the deal when Javice delivered a file containing Frank's more than 4 million customers.
Alexander Saidi
And Chase says, great, why don't we run a test marketing campaign with a portion of the total users, Just see what the results are and we'll iterate our marketing campaigns from there. And as the executives testified, only 28% of the emails sent in that campaign even delivered to an inbox. And the average for a Chase marketing campaign is 99%. So that means that the email addresses in the data file were not legit and likely did not have anything to do with the names of the people who were in the data file.
Kate Linebaugh
And that led to the total meltdown of the relationship.
Alexander Saidi
Correct. She was put on administrative leave. The bank ran an internal investigation into the matter, and then they fired Charlie as a result and denied her the remainder of her $20 million retention bonus that she was given as part of the purchase agreement when the bank bought her startup.
Kate Linebaugh
This was the data that Javice had asked her chief software engineer to fake. And remember, he testified that when he refused, Javice made that comment that she didn't want to end up in an orange jumpsuit. So Javice looked for someone else. She found a math professor at Queens College and paid that professor $18,000.
Alexander Saidi
She told him, we have this is. Get the whole synthetic data thing. We have this seed Data set of 300,000 profiles. We want you to create a larger data file with 4 million profiles, but whose characteristics are identical to the seed file. So he just thought he was doing a consulting project outside of his normal tasks as a professor.
Kate Linebaugh
What did he say on the stand?
Alexander Saidi
He said the names are fake. The names are made up. And he said it would have been pretty obvious if you had done some basic due diligence.
Kate Linebaugh
And at the trial, it became clear that JP Morgan hadn't done the that basic due diligence. That's next.
Christopher Mims
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Kate Linebaugh
At the trial, Charlie Javis's defense took an interesting approach. Instead of focusing on the actions of their client, they put the spotlight on. On JP Morgan.
Alexander Saidi
The key argument for them was that this wasn't fraud. What we're seeing is actually buyer's remorse. JP Morgan, they actually just made a bad investment, and they're really mad about that.
Kate Linebaugh
Her top two defense attorneys making this argument are very experienced.
Alexander Saidi
Charlie's two top attorneys are Jose Baez and Ronald Sullivan. They're kind of a team that have worked on a lot of cases together, most recently including the Harvey Weinstein trials. They were co attorneys for Harvey as a defendant in those cases. So they know how to play things for a jury because it's the jury who's deciding everything here in this trial.
Kate Linebaugh
That strategy was on display after the former software engineering chief testified about Javissa's orange jumpsuit comment. Immediately, one of her attorneys sprung into action.
Alexander Saidi
Like, before the judges even, like, passed the mic to him. He like, jumps out of his seat and he's like, you wanted to date Ms. Javies, didn't you? You sent her flowers, you sent her messages saying, you have a terrifically fit body. He's like, ranting and raving at this guy on the witness stand. You know, the judge is like, can you please move to the podium? He like, knocks over, like a computer monitor on his way. He's like, kind of out of breath. Like, it was very embellished behavior.
Kate Linebaugh
Beyond trying to discredit the prosecution's witnesses, the defense tried to make the case that JP Morgan didn't thoroughly vet Frank's business, they called a former lower level JP Morgan employee to the stand.
Alexander Saidi
There was a younger person in their, I think, early 30s, who was called to testify, who was essentially a bit of a mid level employee. She was responsible for, like, taking notes during meetings and building PowerPoints. You know, she wasn't a decision maker, but she was helping the decision makers. And there was a Skype message that Charlie's defense attorneys pulled up that this young woman had sent to her boss saying, you know, Charlie's startup, they barely make any revenue, so how can we even know that she's got these customers and her boss sent back to her? Well, it'll all come out in confirmatory due diligence. Don't worry about it. And now, with hindsight, it's like, wow, she was actually asking the exact right question and nobody was really taking it that seriously.
Kate Linebaugh
Javis's lawyers Cross examined another J.P. morgan employee, the executive who led the deal to buy Frank. The defense lawyers pulled up some of this executive's text messages. And in one text, she referred to an annual shareholder letter written by JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon.
Alexander Saidi
And she had underlined segments of that letter and sent it to the whole team working on the Frank deal. And in that annual letter, he actually had a section about due diligence. And he said in one part of it, you know, sometimes you don't need to do analysis to know if a deal is a good deal. Sometimes you just know. You know, that's me paraphrasing what he said. And Chavis's attorney said, isn't this proof that you guys were willing to rush your work to move ahead on this deal? And she said, it was a joke to my team. I didn't really mean it. But the point was made to the jury, which was that some people knew that things were moving really fast inside of JP Morgan and nobody necessarily pumped the brakes enough to double check all the work.
Kate Linebaugh
JP Morgan did do some due diligence. They hired a third party company to examine and validate the more than 4 million users that Frank said it had.
Alexander Saidi
Now, what this firm really seemed to do was to take the synthetic data file that Charlie had created, essentially go and count the number of rows and how many rows had information in it. So it didn't actually validate that the people were real, but they sort of took an Excel spreadsheet and said, okay, there seem to be 4 million people with first names and last names.
Kate Linebaugh
At the trial, another JP Morgan Executive said that he expected this third party company had been doing more than just counting rows in a spreadsheet. In testimony, a representative from the third party company said it actually offered to do more validation work on the data file. But the JP Morgan didn't express interest in doing that.
Alexander Saidi
So the defense just tried to paint a picture saying the bank either, you know, didn't care about how many customers there really were or, you know, they rushed their work to, you know, get this deal done and missed key details in the process.
Kate Linebaugh
In closing arguments, the prosecution told the jury this was a clear case of fraud. The defense said it was Byers remorse and after five weeks of testimony, it was up to the 12 people on the jury to decide. Last Thursday they started their deliberations and on Friday they were still deliberating.
Alexander Saidi
And then around 2:30, a note was sent to one of the clerks running the court that said the jury has reached a verdict.
Kate Linebaugh
The founder of that fintech startup, Frank, Charlie Javice, has been found guilty at a fraud trial. If you recall, Javiz and her co defendant, a former executive at Frank, were both found guilty on three counts of fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit fraud. Both could go to jail for decades.
Alexander Saidi
And then Charlie's defense attorney said, well, we want to poll the jury because sometimes, you know, these juries give a verdict and you poll every jury member to make sure that there's not someone who's like kind of on the fence about things or whatever. And they polled all 12 being like, on count one, did you find the verdict guilty? Yes. Yes. They went through everyone on every charge and everyone unanimously said, yes, we think they're guilty of everything.
Kate Linebaugh
How did she react?
Alexander Saidi
Silently, she was completely silent. And you could, you could feel that she was stunned. You could feel that. Her family, who's been in court every day, were also stunned.
Kate Linebaugh
Yesterday, Javis's lawyers were in court again. Alex was there and he sent us this voice memo.
Alexander Saidi
Hi. So just got out of court. Charlie and her co executive have been required to now wear ankle monitors. There was two hours back and forth where their attorneys both tried to say this wasn't necessary. In Charlie's case, they said, you know, her main source of income now is teaching Pilates. It's, you know, cumbersome to teach Pilates while you're wearing an ankle monitor. After a lot of back and forth, the judge said, we're gonna request that you wear this ankle monitor. So here we go.
Kate Linebaugh
One thing her defense lawyers said is that Javice will never get her Good name back. Was this trial also damaging for JP Morgan?
Alexander Saidi
It was damaging for JP Morgan in the sense that it showed that some of the people in charge weren't asking the right questions about the investment that they were embarking to make. Now, this deal cost the bank $175 million. That, in the context of JP Morgan, a very large financial institution, is not a lot of money. But it goes to, I think, a bigger point. Who is making sure that everything at this complex financial institution is legit and above board and the data is real and we know everything that's going on. The events of the Frank acquisition suggest at least there's some checks missing in the work that some of its teams are doing at a very high level.
Kate Linebaugh
But now at least JP Morgan can say it was duped by a convicted fraudster, correct?
Alexander Saidi
I think everybody acknowledges it was a mistake to do it, but they can also say, hey, we were just lied to. We relied on this individual and the data she provided. You know, we can't always protect ourselves from lies. But I think they at least feel vindicated through the justice system.
Kate Linebaugh
Javice is scheduled to be sentenced this summer. Her attorneys are petitioning for a new trial. That's all for today. Wednesday, April 2nd. The Journal is a co production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. If you like our show, follow us on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, we're out every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
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Summary of "The Fraud Trial That Became JPMorgan's Headache" Episode of The Journal
The Journal, a collaboration between The Wall Street Journal and Gimlet, delves deep into the intricate fraud trial involving Charlie Javice, the founder of fintech startup Frank, and the ensuing complications for JPMorgan Chase. Hosted by Kate Linebaugh and Ryan Knutson, with insights from Jessica Mendoza, this episode aired on April 2, 2025, and provides a comprehensive overview of the trial that shook one of the world's most powerful banks.
The episode opens in a federal courthouse in Manhattan, where Patrick Vor, the former chief software engineer at Frank, takes the stand for the prosecution. He recounts a pivotal moment from 2021 when Frank was on the brink of a lucrative $175 million acquisition by JPMorgan Chase.
Patrick Vor [00:05]: "Frank's founder, a woman named Charlie Javice, was on the precipice of selling her business to JPMorgan Chase. It would be a big, life-changing deal."
Javice approached Vor with an unconventional request: to create a synthetic database comprising 4 million artificial profiles.
Alexander Saidi [00:47]: "She tells him, I need you to create a synthetic database containing 4 million profiles, essentially artificial data."
Vor questioned the legality of the request and ultimately refused, leading to Javice's ominous remark about not wanting to end up in an "orange jumpsuit."
Alexander Saidi [01:11]: "She said, 'Don't worry, I don't want to end up in an orange jumpsuit.'"
This statement underscored the gravity of the situation, signaling to the jury the high stakes involved.
The trial exposed not only Javice's fraudulent activities but also highlighted JPMorgan Chase's inadequate due diligence during the acquisition process. CEO Jamie Dimon later labeled the deal as a "huge mistake."
Alexander Saidi [02:24]: "It offered a pretty unprecedented insight into how the sausage gets made at arguably the most powerful bank in the world."
The prosecution presented evidence that JPMorgan realized something was amiss when a test marketing campaign yielded a dismal 28% email delivery rate, starkly contrasting their usual 99%.
Alexander Saidi [05:46]: "Only 28% of the emails sent in that campaign even delivered to an inbox."
Javice's defense team, led by seasoned attorneys Jose Baez and Ronald Sullivan, aimed to pivot the narrative away from their client by casting JPMorgan as the negligent party. They argued that the bank's rushed acquisition process and superficial due diligence were the primary culprits.
Alexander Saidi [09:08]: "The key argument for them was that this wasn't fraud. What we're seeing is actually buyer's remorse."
Notably, the defense showcased internal communications within JPMorgan that suggested a lack of thoroughness in vetting Frank's business operations.
Alexander Saidi [12:14]: "It's like, wow, she was actually asking the exact right question and nobody was really taking it that seriously."
After five weeks of testimony, the 12-member jury began deliberations on Thursday and, by Friday, had reached a unanimous verdict. Charlie Javice and her co-defendant, a former Frank executive, were found guilty on three counts of fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit fraud.
Alexander Saidi [14:57]: "They went through everyone on every charge and everyone unanimously said, yes, we think they're guilty of everything."
The courtroom was visibly stunned by the verdict, with Javice reacting in silence alongside her astonished family.
Following the verdict, Javice and her co-defendant were mandated to wear ankle monitors— a decision met with resistance from their defense attorneys.
Alexander Saidi [16:17]: "In Charlie's case, they said, you know, her main source of income now is teaching Pilates. It's, you know, cumbersome to teach Pilates while you're wearing an ankle monitor."
The trial's outcome not only condemned Javice but also cast a shadow over JPMorgan Chase's acquisition practices, revealing cracks in their due diligence mechanisms.
Alexander Saidi [17:03]: "The events of the Frank acquisition suggest at least there's some checks missing in the work that some of its teams are doing at a very high level."
While JPMorgan can assert that they were misled by a fraudulent founder, the incident underscores the necessity for more rigorous vetting processes within large financial institutions.
Charlie Javice is slated to be sentenced in the summer, with her legal team petitioning for a new trial. The case serves as a stark reminder of the vulnerabilities even major banks face when integrating startups, emphasizing the critical need for meticulous due diligence to prevent similar occurrences in the future.
Alexander Saidi [18:26]: "Javice is scheduled to be sentenced this summer. Her attorneys are petitioning for a new trial."
The Journal effectively captures the multifaceted dimensions of this high-profile fraud trial, offering listeners an in-depth understanding of the events that not only led to Javice's downfall but also exposed significant lapses within JPMorgan Chase.
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This episode of The Journal provides a compelling narrative of corporate fraud and the ensuing legal battles, offering listeners valuable insights into the complexities of high-stakes business acquisitions and the paramount importance of due diligence.