Resilience is often described as the ability to bounce back from adversity, but what if true resilience is about something much deeper? In this episode, Jim sits down with therapist, author, and speaker Chuck DeGroat to explore resilience through the lens of grace, healing, and spiritual formation. Together they discuss why resilience isn't about powering through hardship, but about allowing ourselves to be transformed by it through honest relationships, self-awareness, and the sustaining presence of God. Dr. Chuck DeGroat is a pastor, therapist, spiritual director, speaker, and author whose work focuses on leadership, spiritual formation, trauma, and emotional health. Through his work, Chuck helps leaders integrate emotional health, faith, and authentic spiritual growth. Conversation Overview

Rethinking what resilience really means
Grace as the foundation for lasting resilience
The role of community in healing and growth
Navigating suffering without losing yourself
Spiritual practices that cultivate resilience

Resources & Links

Healing What's Within
When Narcissism Comes to Church
Wholeheartedness
Who You're Becoming - Releasing in October!
Chuck's Substack