ZOO #0062 Dan St Germain and Sean Donnelly

Summary

Zac Amico’s Morning Zoo #0062

Guests: Dan St. Germain & Sean Donnelly
Date: November 16, 2025
Podcast: Zac Amico’s Morning Zoo, GaS Digital Network

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Episode Overview

On this chaotic and hilarious episode, Zac welcomes comedians Dan St. Germain and Sean Donnelly—co-hosts of the Burbs Bros podcast—for a morning filled with wild news stories, deep dives into wrestling and movie trivia, bizarre true crime, and a hearty dose of UFO conspiracies. The trio riff through scandalous headlines, 80s sitcom nostalgia, Hollywood insanity, and the boundaries of the unexplainable, blending sharp comedy with a genuine curiosity about fringe topics.

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Key Discussion Points & Noteworthy Segments

1. Icebreaker & Catch-Ups

[01:19–02:38]

• Zac welcomes Dan and Sean back after a prior scheduling mix-up, poking fun at comedy show confusion and bad weather.
• Friendly ribbing about podcast appearances and weather disasters.
• Warmth and camaraderie at the outset set a playful, loose tone.

2. Bizarre News: Trans Woman Gym Stalker

[02:39–06:32]

• Revisiting a wild news story: a trans woman who has stalked a woman across gyms, committed domestic violence, transitioned, and adopted the ex’s name.
• The comics riff on the deeply disturbing psychology behind this (“Single White Female 2025; right before he dies, OJ’s like ‘I’m Nicole now.’” – Dan, 04:00)
• Jokes about Planet Fitness, former child star energy, and minimum-effort drag.

3. Wrestling, Gender, and Exóticos

[06:33–08:20]

• Zac introduces Dan and Sean to the concept of Exóticos—flamboyant, drag-inspired Mexican wrestlers, with cultural comparisons to American pro wrestling.
• “Essentially, I would say Goldust would be the closest thing to an American Exótico.” – Zac, 06:32
• Discussion of wrestling as a home for outsized gender performance, nostalgia for 80s/90s stars like Adrian Adonis and Goldust.

4. Flamboyant Psychics: Walter Mercado & Latinx Pop

[08:21–10:32]

• The trio reminisce about Walter Mercado (“Mucho, Mucho Amor”), the beloved, gender-bending Cuban psychic, as an icon among older Latina women and Cuban families.
• Zac shares a family story: “My Cuban grandmother trying to explain me to other Cuban people—she said, ‘he’s creative, like the Elton John.’” – Zac, 09:46

5. Gender, Narcissuality, and Relationship Doppelgängers

[10:33–12:29]

• Sean speculates about body dysmorphia and late-in-life gender transitions, referencing Transparent as pop culture shorthand.
• The group riffs on gay dating “narcissuality”—partners who look alike.
• “Guy and girl couples do the same thing, but they just both lose their masculinity and femininity and become mashed potatoes together. That’s called marriage.” – Dan, 12:03

6. Plastic Surgery Crimes & Double Lives

[14:13–16:48]

• Sean brings up the man who, after a girlfriend’s restraining order, got plastic surgery and a new identity to date her again.
• Parallels with Mrs. Doubtfire and horror movie tropes.
• Debate over how effective such disguises could really be—and how exhausting it would be to keep up two sets of lies.

7. Makeup/Disguise in Espionage & Film

[16:49–21:23]

• The gang marvels at real-life CIA/FBI disguises: “It was the head of disguises at the FBI taking her face off in front of George Bush.” – Zac, 18:44
• Movie tricks: Mission Impossible masks, Good Will Hunting’s genius cover stories, Breaking Bad’s pizza throw, and more.
• “You really do have to be gaunt to get prosthetics.” – Zac, 21:10

8. TV Nostalgia: Dana Carvey’s Lost Sitcoms & SNL Legends

[23:02–29:01]

• Extended banter on obscure TV: Dana Carvey’s sketch show and “One of the Boys” sitcom with Mickey Rooney and Nathan Lane.
• Behind-the-scenes gossip about Craig T. Nelson (Coach) and working with difficult actors.
• “Norm was never after SNL, obviously.” – Dan, 27:07

9. Kubrick & Hidden Movie Endings: Eyes Wide Shut & Hostel

[30:25–36:42]

• Sean relays a wild theory (from Tarantino’s “Rogan” appearance) that Eyes Wide Shut’s final scene is missing a voiceover revealing the couple gives their daughter to a secret society.
• Zac connects it to Hostel’s alternate, much darker ending.
• Dissection of Kubrick’s legendary subtlety and attention to detail—“It's one of those Kubrick things where nothing was not deliberate.” – Zach, 36:37

10. Horror Film Craft & Minimalist Violence

[37:48–39:06]

• “Texas Chainsaw Massacre is essentially bloodless.” – Zac, 38:13
• How horror relies on what’s unseen, referencing Reservoir Dogs, Night of the Living Dead, and Phantasm.

11. Special FX Icons: Tom Savini & School for Makeup Artists

[40:47–44:13]

• Zac recounts Tom Savini’s legacy, school, and charisma: “Dude, Savini’s got a farm team. He has a school.” – Zac, 41:05
• Tales from Savini’s special effects school, his campus of “gothic daughters,” and his legendary whip.

12. Hollywood Chaos: Marlon Brando & Island of Dr. Moreau

[55:24–62:22]

• The panel explores the hellish making of Dr. Moreau: Val Kilmer switching roles, Brando’s eccentric demands, the “Mini-Me” inspiration, and wild set stories.
• “Now 400-pound Marlon Brando sees a two-foot rat man and goes ‘we need to be dressed identically.’” – Zac, 56:03

13. UFOs, Astral Projection, & Government Conspiracies

[62:23–71:44]

• Burbs Bros flex their X-Files muscle: remote viewing, Ingo Swann, rings on Jupiter, Bob Lazar’s newfound vindication, and government “crash retrieval” conspiracies.
• Sean details supposed whistleblower Jake Barber and the “Psionics” project, including firsthand accounts of mysterious egg-shaped UAPs.
• Jokes about Blink 182, Bin Laden, and bizarre military tech solutions.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Identity Obsession (trans stalker case):

  • “This is Single White Female 2025. Right before he dies, OJ’s like: ‘I’m Nicole now.’”
    — Dan, 04:00

• On Wrestling’s Gender Performance:

  • “It’s the bare minimum of a trans woman—like what wrestlers did in the 90s. ‘I’m wearing a dress and lips, so I’m a girl.’”
    — Dan, 05:38

• On Familial Explanations:

  • “My Cuban grandmother tried to explain me to other Cuban people—she said, ‘he’s creative. Like the Elton John.’”
    — Zac, 09:46

• On Relationship Resemblance:

  • “Guy and girl couples... just both lose their masculinity and femininity and become mashed potatoes together. That’s called marriage.”
    — Dan, 12:03

• On Movie Mania (Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut):

  • “Nothing was not deliberate. He’s moving shit around in The Shining the whole time.”
    — Zac, 36:42

• On Tom Savini’s Aura:

  • “Their parents pay him to ship their gothic daughters for two years to the middle of nowhere.”
    — Zac, 41:45

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Timestamps for Essential Segments

• [03:15] Revisiting the “trans woman gym stalker” news story
• [06:08] Introduction to the world of exótico wrestling
• [08:40] Reminiscing about Walter Mercado’s psychic flamboyance
• [10:55] Deep thoughts on body/gender identity and later-in-life transitions
• [14:13] Plastic surgery true crime and double lives
• [18:44] FBI disguise demo—real-life Mission Impossible tech
• [23:02] TV nostalgia and lost sitcoms
• [30:25] Eyes Wide Shut’s secret ending theory
• [36:37] Analysis of Kubrick’s precision and intent
• [38:13] Minimal gore in Texas Chainsaw Massacre
• [41:05] Tom Savini’s special effects school and legend
• [55:24] Whirlwind inside the making of Island of Dr. Moreau
• [62:23] UFOs, astral projection, and government whistleblowers

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Tone & Style

The episode is unruly, self-aware, and conspiratorially funny—packed with the irreverence of morning zoo radio, a cast of comedians riffing at full volume, and deep-cuts movie and wrestling knowledge. The hosts embrace the weird, the dark, and the outright nerdy, inviting listeners on a ride through world-class digressions and unpredictable tangents.

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Wrap-up

This episode is a textbook Morning Zoo blend: tabloid insanity, pop culture obscura, pro-wrestling arcana, and wild-eyed speculation—delivered with infectious camaraderie and perfectly timed asides. For fans of comedy, movies, and the unexplained, or anyone needing a window into the glorious mess of comedians at play, it’s a must-listen.

Plugs:

• Sean Donnelly: @shawneytime, Burbs Bros podcast
• Dan St. Germain: Shows in Canada; @danstgermain
• Zac Amico: Live dates at Zach Is Not Funny, wrestling in Detroit, and of course—GaS Digital Network’s Friday bonus content

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Transcript

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[Zach Amico]

Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning. It's a Wednesday here on the old morning Zoo. It's your other boy, the international superstar Zach Amico. And thank you so much for tuning in in on this fine day. We are all getting ready to leave for Skank Fest and Shannon's already out there, so we got AJ in the booth today with Jorge. Thank you for keeping things moving, buddy. And across the table from me from their excellent podcast Burbs Bros, it's Sean Donnelly and Dan St. Germain.

[Sean Donnelly]

How are you?

[Dan St. Germain]

Hello. Thank you. Thank you for having us. And you'll be on again soon. Sorry about the last time.

[Zach Amico]

No worries.

[Sean Donnelly]

You realize how bad I felt about.

[Zach Amico]

No, that was whatever happens.

[Sean Donnelly]

But I was like, oh, my God. I was like. Like I was beside.

[Zach Amico]

It was one of those things.

[Dan St. Germain]

It was even worse cuz the weather was bad too. It was.

[Zach Amico]

Your old producer was just like, hey, Zach, what are you doing here? I was like, oh, I'm on the show. And he's like, cool, what show?

[Sean Donnelly]

And I'm like, what we do here?

[Zach Amico]

But we had been talking for like two minutes before because I think he thought he just ran into me.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And you're like, no, let's get things started.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, please, let's move.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. We felt off. We were like, oh, my God. Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Because I got your text and I looked outside and it was pouring, I think. And I'm like, oh, this is the worst way to get that.

[Zach Amico]

Not a big deal at all.

[Dan St. Germain]

Thank you for having us back.

[Zach Amico]

Oh, please. I love you guys. Definitely try and think of some recent conspiracy stuff that I've been farting around with lately. So we'll try and figure out. But first things first, we got a bunch of silly stories we can look at, and I actually, the first one I want to revisit a story we went over athe. If you could bring up the. The transgender person who got in the fight with the. The black lady at the gym locker room. And they said that they've followed the lady. This transgender person is followed to multiple gyms.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, this is the New York Post. She was in the Post.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Okay.

[Zach Amico]

So they said the last piece of information we had gotten on this trans woman was that they had previously.

[Sean Donnelly]

Is that Matt Rife.

[Zach Amico]

Been in jail for DV for beating their ex when they were still.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yes, I heard about that gentleman. Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Well, here's. They had a new layer to this one. And if you want to talk about if this is a psychological torture, this might be the most diabolical person of the week. Not only did this person go to jail for hitting their check, they have now transitioned and taken her name.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Dan St. Germain]

This is single white female, 2025, right before he dies. OJ's like, I'm Nicole now.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God.

[Dan St. Germain]

That is wild. What an aggressive move.

[Sean Donnelly]

You know what's so interesting about that? That, that how do you.

[Zach Amico]

Then.

[Sean Donnelly]

You can't just, you're mentally. You're just. You're done. You're. You're done.

[Dan St. Germain]

We saw the picture.

[Sean Donnelly]

You know, so wait, but then. And then they, they. The ex found out. Is that what happened?

[Zach Amico]

I guess I, I. That apparently they found out. But, yeah, they've been charged, I think stalking and dving. And now this person's in the news for an entirely new. They've been going into gyms. Gyms. And getting in a fight with this lady and apparently, like, taunting them and that they're in there.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's all part of the new dangers of Planet Fitness.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's a different lady. It's the ex.

[Zach Amico]

It's a different lady. It's a completely different lady.

[Sean Donnelly]

Holy cow, man.

[Zach Amico]

And when you see him, I can only describe this trans person as having, like, former child star energy.

[Sean Donnelly]

Do you think it's an actual crime or just, like, another Planet Fitness promo thing?

[Zach Amico]

Free pizza Friday.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, this one must be one of the nice ones. Free pizza.

[Sean Donnelly]

You get beat up by a trans woman.

[Zach Amico]

The canteens day.

[Dan St. Germain]

I remember I was briefly part of the Planet Fitness in Ridgewood, and you went in. And right next, the sign up sheet. There was just this giant bowl of Tootsie Rolls. You could just. You just gave up as soon as you signed up for it. It was amazing.

[Sean Donnelly]

Speaking of Tootsie Rolls, this trans lady keeps coming into play.

[Dan St. Germain]

He. I will say, like, it's the bare minimum of a trans woman. Like, he's doing what wrestlers did in the 90s, where it's like, I'm wearing a dress and lip, so I'm a girl.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

It's like Bobby Heenan trying to get back into the building.

[Dan St. Germain]

Right? Yeah, yeah, That's. It doesn't. It's, like, not fully realized.

[Sean Donnelly]

Like Adrian Adonis. I remember Adrian when I was a kid. I probably.

[Dan St. Germain]

I do, too. I mean, he's one of the greatest. One of the greatest of all time. One of the greatest heels of all time.

[Zach Amico]

You would love exoticos.

[Sean Donnelly]

What's Exoticus?

[Zach Amico]

So in Mexican wrestling, you have your looches, you have your minis, so you get your little people. But then they have exoticos who are essentially, I would call, like, halfway between drag and, like, comedy wrestler. But they all are dudes in, like, elaborate, like, hard Liberace outfits, full makeup.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, wow.

[Zach Amico]

Essentially, I would say gold dust would be the closest thing to an American Exotico.

[Dan St. Germain]

Okay, thank God I'm sitting down.

[Zach Amico]

There was a whole documentary on. Damn it. The Cassandra is the. I think, the most famous one. And they made.

[Sean Donnelly]

They.

[Zach Amico]

Excuse me. They made a feature about them, so.

[Sean Donnelly]

It'S like a more elaborate drag queen. Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Can you look up? Exotica's in the blue.

[Sean Donnelly]

They drink like Michael Douglas in that movie from hbo.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Liberace. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scott. I see somebody's up.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's a great movie.

[Zach Amico]

It is a great dude.

[Dan St. Germain]

One of my favorite moments. The funniest moment. One of the funniest moments I've seen in a movie is when Liberace says he sleeps with his eye open. Matt Damon just looks over and he's asleep with his eyes open, and it's so funny.

[Zach Amico]

And then Rob Lowe as the amazing.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's the best Rob Lowe I've ever seen. But he can't move his face.

[Zach Amico]

So that's Cassandra. Yeah, yeah. Bring up some video. What Exoticos do.

[Dan St. Germain]

So this is like, Eddie Izzard.

[Zach Amico]

Very, very much. Yeah, yeah. That's like a whole, like, J. And they do, like, the kissing spot, and they'll get shocked and slap the other one. It's almost like telenovela spots.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. It's like soap opera.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. But then they're also, like, throwing crazy, like, Ricky, the Dragon. Oh, is it like.

[Sean Donnelly]

Is it, like Glow, where they only fight each other or do they fight?

[Zach Amico]

No, they can. They. They'll be exoticos versus minis.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, yeah. That's so Liberace.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God.

[Zach Amico]

I refer to Cassandra as Ricky the drag queen. Steamboat.

[Dan St. Germain]

So I guess, like, I'm trying to think of an example in wrestling. Like, Dalton Castle.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. Dalton Castle would fit in with this example of this. But they're all out, like. And they have been out for, like, ever.

[Sean Donnelly]

Right, right. And it just. It just fits into their personality for the wrestling.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

There's so many celebrities. Ricky Martin could have gone that way very easily.

[Zach Amico]

Yes.

[Sean Donnelly]

Menudo. He doesn't have a solo career.

[Zach Amico]

Doc on the psychic that all the old Spanish ladies loved. You know what I'm talking about? Like, two.

[Dan St. Germain]

I know, Ms. Cleo, but that wasn't Spanish.

[Sean Donnelly]

No, no, no. All the old Spanish ladies loved a psychic.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

See the documentary?

[Zach Amico]

He was an older, very effeminate gay dude. Tons of jewelry.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, it wasn't the guy that was on and something.

[Zach Amico]

Maybe E2amore. Or it was whatever.

[Dan St. Germain]

His. Nick Fuentes.

[Zach Amico]

It was whatever. Less gay. Yes.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, I didn't know there was a doc about him. I know the name.

[Zach Amico]

Mucho, Mucho Amore. There it is.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

He was super, super flamboyant.

[Sean Donnelly]

I was thinking of Yuri Geller, but he's not Latino. And he. They had the thing where that guy. There was a documentary about a guy who tried to prove Yuri Giller wrong. Remember, he would go on the late night shows.

[Zach Amico]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

That guy was great. The Amazing Liar.

[Sean Donnelly]

Amazing Liar. Yeah. But Walter Mercado, I would see him. He would do American TV shows, I think. Yeah. I just never saw the documentary. What did they say? They had a legion. Legion of fans of, like, older.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. Like, super old lady. I remember this is my. Because my aunt married a Cuban guy. So I grew up around a lot of Cuban family. All our holidays were Cuban.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

And me being a flamboyant little boy, my Cuban grandmother trying to explain me two other human people. And she said, he's creative. Like the Elton John.

[Sean Donnelly]

The entity. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Amico]

I was like, I think as a.

[Dan St. Germain]

Gay man, you're like, okay, I just. I'm gonna look like a doll for the rest of my life. Like, this is like, I can't get any younger looking. So, like, you think it's early 50s where they're like, all right, I'm just a doll now. I'm a doll forever.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's almost like what's the name of that condition where they say there's trans. There's trans women that are totally mentally stable. Then they have the ones that like that dude that was beating up people in a gym who's mentally gender deranged. Gender dysphoria. So I think maybe that point where you're.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, it's body dysmorphia.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. So then you're like, I'm. I'm. I'm losing my testosterone. So I'm gonna become as women like as possible. Maybe at like.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

40S, maybe 50s.

[Dan St. Germain]

Let me just go for this. I mean, for that. For the guy you were just mentioning it very much seems like, all right, I up being a guy. Let me just try being a girl. Rather than. Rather than like I've always been a woman inside a man's body. It was like I've clear.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

I think with a lot of dudes it's like chemical. I think they get to a point where they're just like, oh, I'm getting in touch with another part of me and the chemicals are agreeing with that. And then I'm going to become just like Stephen Tobolowski in what's not Stephen Toblewski. What's his name? Who did someone called that was on Amazon with the trans. With Jeff. Jeff.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, transparent.

[Sean Donnelly]

Transparent, yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Great job.

[Sean Donnelly]

That's partially that.

[Zach Amico]

Right.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's like this weird change of life kind of thing.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. But gay guys also have narciss. Narcissuality sometimes.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Where they want to someone who looks like them.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. My friend Stewart's a narcissual and he only dates other like big berry kind of guys and that's what he looks like. And yeah, that's. It's a hundred percent.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's a great.

[Dan St. Germain]

How much happy I would happier I would be if that was the thing.

[Sean Donnelly]

Like the David Cross bit where you could take out. Take out all the wrong you did for the day.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

You really up at work.

[Zach Amico]

But like muscle bear. You'll see muscle bears start to look like each other.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Over time.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

I. I've seen and I don't know if that's like a nature nurture thing that could be like when people say their dogs look like them, but it's like I'm pretty. You're probably also dressing your dog like you.

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, guy and girl couples do the same thing, but they just both lose their masculinity and femininity and become mashed potatoes together.

[Zach Amico]

Yes. That's called marriage.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah. It's called Marriage. Like they lose the and and vagina. I mean penis.

[Sean Donnelly]

And it's just I was guilty that they used to say me and my ex wife looked like we're related. I don't think we did.

[Dan St. Germain]

But you're both white.

[Sean Donnelly]

Maybe that was it.

[Zach Amico]

She also looked like Captain Underpants, his grandpa. All right, let's get plugs out of the way. Hit that plug music for hey Mr. Donnelly. What do you want people to check out?

[Sean Donnelly]

Please check me out on Instagram at Shawnee time. Sean Donnelly comedy.com and most importantly the Burbs Bros. Podcast which you can get weekly and patreon.com burbs bros.

[Zach Amico]

Fantastic. Dan.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yes, I'm going to jump on that with Sean Burbs Bros. I'm also after Skank Fest. I'm going to be in Canada next week in Toronto, Hamilton and St. Catherine. So check that out and yeah, find me on Instagram.

[Zach Amico]

Dan St. Germaine, fantastic Instagram at Zach is not funny. Punch up that live Zach and Miko for my dates and on the 22nd. So after we're back from Skank Fest, I will be in Detroit for Juggalo Championship Wrestling presents Lunacy. We are doing free taping in Detroit of our new episodes and I'm pretty sure Mike Tyson style, we are giving out turkeys to Juggalos.

[Sean Donnelly]

That's great.

[Zach Amico]

Pretty pumped on it. So please come hang out and if you like, love the show, go to gas digital.com today, the new gas digital and use my promo code, ZOO. You save money off your subscription, get your episodes early ad free and uncensored. You get access to the live chat as well as the archives, thousands of episodes of all your favorite gas shows. Plus you get the Friday bonus show. That's right. We do three of these a week and the only way to get the Friday show is to subscribe. So if you want the full morning zoo experience promo code zoo. But regardless of how you consume the program, thank you so much.

[Sean Donnelly]

All right, really quickly before which kind of related to what we were just talking about. You reminded me of it with that, the gym story, the domestic violence guy, the trans woman. I saw a thing online. Did you ever hear of this case? I might be past due on this. The, the guy who, whose girlfriend put a restraining order against him so he got drastic plastic surgery and changed his name so he could meet her again and tried to date her again. And he did it.

[Zach Amico]

I, I, we had that as a story on the show and we never got to it. So if you can look it up, A.J. it should be pretty accessible because it's almost like. That's almost an Adam Sandler movie.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's Jack and Jill.

[Dan St. Germain]

It is a Rob Schneider movie.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, it's Miss Doubtfire. It is a Rob Schneider Doubtfire without the love of the kids.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yes. Without the whimsy.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

That's a family. Just without. With the psychopath.

[Zach Amico]

I think there's got to be a level, like, how much could you get done?

[Dan St. Germain]

You can get a lot done, man.

[Zach Amico]

I mean, like, you got to talk.

[Sean Donnelly]

At what point does she know that's a movie, too? There's not like a movie like a horror movie. But, like. Like you were saying. But, like, at what point does look pretty different?

[Zach Amico]

He looks way different.

[Dan St. Germain]

He looks different and he looks similar. That she'd be like, oh, he can't be the same.

[Sean Donnelly]

Also, some of the best plastic. That's drastic plastic surgery. Some of the best I've seen. He doesn't look.

[Dan St. Germain]

That was just him trying to say it's like, with plastic surgery now, you can look very different by looking a little different. Like, and it's like cartels, heads, like, do that all the time where they'll get plastic surgery to avoid, you know, legal consequences or something like that. So I would not be able to tell that guy.

[Zach Amico]

No. I wouldn't be able to that. I guess.

[Dan St. Germain]

Three balls. Like, what was the giveaway?

[Zach Amico]

I don't know. You learn to talk different.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, yeah. And you have different names. And then, like, you need a different.

[Zach Amico]

You got a lie about it. You need a different backstory.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's a nightmare.

[Zach Amico]

It's so much to keep. I have to keep my regular lies in check.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

I can't imagine keeping two people's worth of lies.

[Sean Donnelly]

Exactly. That's why people have, like, second families and stuff. You're like, that's exhausting.

[Dan St. Germain]

I don't know how they did it back in the day, you know, Like, I had a.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well, no Internet, no cell phones. You could do it easier. And if you're traveling salesman. That was what it was.

[Dan St. Germain]

That was traveling salesman. But I remember I had a family member, and I'm not going to say who, but this is like, great, great, great. But they had a family on each side of town, you know? Like, really? Yeah. It was like the east, and they just didn't talk about. And like, those days are fucking done done. You know, now it's like, you know.

[Zach Amico]

Now you'd have to have a co. Facebook account with the first lady.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, you would have. Rich enough. You would have to be rich enough that Everyone would know it was already happening.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. I think you have to be out in the open about it and you.

[Sean Donnelly]

Have to live in a super small town where they're like, we're, well, mind our business. Everybody knows, but we don't say anything. Yeah, but this guy. If you're the one. If you're the woman that was put the restraining order, how long would that. I don't even know the full, full story. How long were they dating before she was like. At one point, you're just gonna look at his eyes and be like, you're the. You're the guy. Like, right. You're just gonna be like, holy shit. Just because his vibe and his soul.

[Zach Amico]

I don't know how long it's gotta fuck up a third relationship for her moving forward.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's never dated anybody again.

[Dan St. Germain]

Miranda Fruit, like, oh, it's just me, Jennifer.

[Zach Amico]

A cowboy hat and a large lap.

[Sean Donnelly]

Just like an exotica. He's Walter Ricardo.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's so much. I mean, there was like that.

[Zach Amico]

There was, you know, fool me once.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's been forever since I've seen this movie. But like, like the movie and it was okay. But that movie, Spy Game with Brad Pitt and Robert Redford, like, like Robert Redford would be like, okay, now you have to remember three lies. Now. Like, he's like. Every time Brad Pitt would say something, he'd be like, okay, now that's part of your thing or your dad. Like, so I can't imagine if I had to make a whole personality up and like constantly be. It would be like that scene Good Will Hunting where Matt Damon has to remember, you know, with Minnie Driver, you know, like where she calls him out on something and then he's able to remember because he's a genius. But I'm not a genius. I'm not fucking.

[Zach Amico]

I didn't do a good job making my real personality.

[Dan St. Germain]

We're still under construction.

[Zach Amico]

I'm not taking a shot at a second go.

[Sean Donnelly]

And also Spy Game, both those dudes went through CIA training. This guy just had some plastic surgery, you know, he fucked it up pretty, pretty soon.

[Zach Amico]

And there was just a picture on some. I can't remember, some historical Facebook thing. It was the head of disguises at the FBI taking her face off in front of George Bush.

[Sean Donnelly]

1 Whoa.

[Zach Amico]

And showing how much we could do.

[Sean Donnelly]

Then back in the 90s, back in the early 90s.

[Zach Amico]

Gulf War.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. Wow.

[Zach Amico]

And it's her, like, literally just taking her head off, like Mission Impossible.

[Sean Donnelly]

And is he blown away? It's.

[Zach Amico]

It's if you can find it. It's shocking. And then they show the piece and like. Oh, yeah. I would have never.

[Sean Donnelly]

Is it. Let me ask you this, because now we kind of have it in the pub as the public. Is it one of those things where it's a shoulder length.

[Zach Amico]

No, it cut off way. It cut off way above.

[Sean Donnelly]

You know, I'm talking about, like, the things that kind of look real.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. You see those. But this is like, it. And it looks like it's a quick. Like, it looks like you could dump it quick. Something.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's kind of like the Prestige, right. Like, you want to create the environment around the costume too, where someone's gonna believe this. Like, it's. It's a couple things together where you didn't, like, you naturally aren't gonna notice stuff because.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, if you. If you're in control of the environment, then if the person.

[Dan St. Germain]

The person. Control. Yeah, you have environment. Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

Because then everybody's like, everybody. Everybody around you is co. Signing that. That's the. The person in your br. Our brain will just go, okay, yeah, I'll just believe everybody else. Like, Like. Right.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, yeah. It's like I've just watched the new Mission Impossible, and it's. I mean, the way they do that is so crazy where every time it's just like. And it's almost like a comedy movie at this point. You're like, all right, you can't have changed that fast.

[Sean Donnelly]

You know, he's saying that video kind of was pretty close.

[Zach Amico]

She's also a lady that turns to turn to a different lady.

[Sean Donnelly]

Like, like. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Amico]

It wasn't like John Voight.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well, they have that. They also have that. They have. Speaking of Mission Impossible, one of the earlier ones they showed. I forget who directed it. I forget what the director was. They showed like a 360 shot of. Of Tom Cruise in the mirror with one of the masks. And it was just camera trickery how they did it. I think they put another guy on the other side and made it look like a mirror. And then they mixed it together and it's the actual person.

[Dan St. Germain]

Did you see the Mission Impossible thing with Henry Cavill where he, like. He like. Oh, yeah. And then the thing. I think it's just a jump cut, right?

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, I think it's a jump.

[Sean Donnelly]

Jump cut.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's just a jump.

[Zach Amico]

But I know the exact thing you're thinking about where. Yeah. It's there on either side of a fake mirror.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yes.

[Zach Amico]

And it is a wild shot.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's an insane shot. And they didn't do it with cgi. They did it, like, in the room.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

I would be so uncomfortable being somebody else. Like, pretending to be somebody else. I could not do it.

[Sean Donnelly]

I wouldn't even pull it off. Like we're saying. It's like I. I'm. I have tough enough time with myself.

[Dan St. Germain]

You could maybe pull it off. I feel like you could.

[Zach Amico]

It would be so much that you have to be gaunt to get prosthetics.

[Dan St. Germain]

You really do have to be.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. That's why all the great, like, if you look at all the, like, people that play these elaborate characters, they're super like, you think of, like, Robert England's face.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach Amico]

You have to build on it.

[Dan St. Germain]

Robert English face is nothing. It's just normal.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. But he's. He's gone. He's got a smaller face.

[Dan St. Germain]

That is true.

[Zach Amico]

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[Sean Donnelly]

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[Zach Amico]

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[Dan St. Germain]

Thanks.

[Zach Amico]

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[Sean Donnelly]

You almost. You almost had to change your. Not your DNA, but you change, like, the structure of your face.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. You can only build on. It's really hard to make. To make.

[Sean Donnelly]

Create depth to take away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Zach Amico]

And did you find that picture of her unmasking in front of Bush?

[Sean Donnelly]

That's her.

[Zach Amico]

But, yeah, we'll show her now. Go down.

[Dan St. Germain]

No, it's actually Howard Stern.

[Sean Donnelly]

Is that. Isn't that. Is that just Nancy Reagan?

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, the thing is, because it's just a really realistic mask.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

And this is probably 92, I would guess, right?

[Zach Amico]

I would assume so.

[Sean Donnelly]

That's her now. I think that's 2018. She was chief of disguise.

[Zach Amico]

And that costume that. That disguise is called the regular.

[Sean Donnelly]

Also chief of disguise. Sounds like a job he'd make up to, like, hit on a girl at a Washington, D.C. bar.

[Zach Amico]

Disguise. This is the fourth time you've met me tonight, baby.

[Dan St. Germain]

Like, wait, isn't that a bomb? Starring Dana Carvey. You're like, shut up.

[Sean Donnelly]

Shut up. Do you remember?

[Dan St. Germain]

I think that. That day because I was such a Dana Carvey fan. And I'm sure Sean was too. And I'm sure you were too. When that Master of Disguise came out, like it was his first movie in like 10 years. I was like. I was like, so bummed out, you know, because I wanted it. I want. Because it was like right after all that controversy of, you know, like, them, them accusing Mike Myers of stealing the Dr. Evil thing from him and all this other stuff. So you're like, yes, I want this guy to come back and win. And then the first thing was him in that turtle outfit. And you're like, o not going anywhere.

[Sean Donnelly]

But he's a guy, you know, I heard about him. Somebody was telling that he just does. You know how many corporates he does.

[Dan St. Germain]

Just makes insane money just playing George H.W. bush and probably that.

[Sean Donnelly]

And then just being clean and being. Yeah, but you know, he, he. He has a boatload of money from, you know, just from back in the day. He did a couple of move. Even the Wayne's World stuff probably made him a boatload of money back then.

[Zach Amico]

You said that. And then probably his talk show is what killed him. But I mean, that's the funniest. God, I forgot the funniest group of people ever to sit down and write a show.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, you mean the sketchup.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, that.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well, yeah, right, exactly. Well, he like launched the careers of a bunch of dudes.

[Zach Amico]

Dude, actually.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, that, that one clip is so funny. Where they show the home improvement. Home improvement. I remember my parents made me sit and watch that because my dad was working with the head writer of that. Now they hate each other, so it's really funny. But like watching that clip of that system a very special. And then the aw, root beer.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, I think I have cancer. Followed by aw, comedy.

[Sean Donnelly]

And they are dying. Like, it's one of those, like actual. For real laughs.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, I do want to, I want to rewatch it though, because I remember one episode I watched, I was like, this is funny.

[Zach Amico]

I remember the first episode where he was where he had the. The dog tits.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, I remember that too.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's. I remember that.

[Zach Amico]

I remember watching it. I remember it coming up at 8.

[Dan St. Germain]

Very funny idea.

[Zach Amico]

It was on at 8 o'. Clock.

[Dan St. Germain]

But like, just multiple nipples. You can't be showing that at 8pm you cannot have multiple nipples on a Tim Allen line.

[Zach Amico]

I always forget that your dad worked on sitcoms because my. My college professor.

[Dan St. Germain]

Who.

[Zach Amico]

My college professor I took TV production with was the guy who directed most of coach.

[Sean Donnelly]

Really?

[Dan St. Germain]

God, he probably has so much money, that guy.

[Zach Amico]

And he would just drop stories about what's his.

[Dan St. Germain]

Craig T. Nelson.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, he was about how he.

[Dan St. Germain]

I heard he's a cocksucker.

[Zach Amico]

He took me outside with. We were doing a thing where we had a. We had like a set. It was a three camera setup and you're learning to direct. And we all had 45 minutes each to like film these things.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

And this TA I hated came over and he started with my lightboard and he tripped something.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

And my whole lifeboard. It was like 20 minutes worth of work. He killed on my 45 minute thing. And he went. He was sorry. And I went, get the fuck off my set. And he goes, what? I went, or I'm going to beat the out of you. And he turns to the teacher and he goes. He goes, did you hear what he said? He goes, yeah, it sounds like you better leave or Zach's gonna beat the out of you. And this kid just hightails it. And he looks at me, goes, I beat the out of Craig T. Nelson. He goes. He goes, we got in a fight in front of the whole cast. And I couldn't let him dominate me like that.

[Sean Donnelly]

No way.

[Zach Amico]

He goes, I got. He goes, he got me a few times. Good. Because. But we are. We each other.

[Dan St. Germain]

Up.

[Sean Donnelly]

Holy.

[Zach Amico]

You're a director.

[Sean Donnelly]

That's pretty good.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah. You can't. You have to fight back if somebody does that. Yeah, you can't.

[Zach Amico]

You can't get bar even if you're.

[Dan St. Germain]

Going to get your ass kicked.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's Craig, big guy. He might be like.

[Dan St. Germain]

He's a big guy. I mean, if it's Jon Jones or something, you just let it happen.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

You know, I wanted to show you a trip. So can you look up the trailer for the sitcom, the Dana Carvey sitcom, One of the Boys, I believe it was called. Heard of this?

[Dan St. Germain]

I've never even heard of this. Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Okay.

[Dan St. Germain]

You the man sort of thing.

[Zach Amico]

This is a. I think it's one of the boys, but it is a. This nap nobody saw. I feel like this show aired and then they went, let's pretend this one didn't happen.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, they gave. They gave him less chances than Norm.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Which is kind of wild.

[Zach Amico]

This is earlier. This is. He's a young, young man here.

[Dan St. Germain]

Because Norm was never after snl, obviously.

[Zach Amico]

No.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, it's not. It's before snl.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, well, then that's a whole different thing. But yeah, I do want to see it.

[Sean Donnelly]

So he's just a working Actor.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

And it's, it's fun.

[Sean Donnelly]

I also think sketch show, as a side note, I think you. It comes out now, or you could 10 years ago. It's a huge hit.

[Zach Amico]

If, if it had been on hbo, Netflix.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Amico]

If it had been on HBO as the white alternative to the Chris Rock Show.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

They would have been two big hits.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yes. And.

[Zach Amico]

But we might not got Mr. Show.

[Sean Donnelly]

True.

[Dan St. Germain]

We would not have gotten Mr. Show.

[Sean Donnelly]

No, no. Because it would have been. Instead of Mr. Show, or maybe we would have it.

[Dan St. Germain]

It would have been like this dominating.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

You know.

[Zach Amico]

Is this it?

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God.

[Zach Amico]

This is it.

[Sean Donnelly]

This is an animated beginning. Oh, one of the boys. Oh, tell me. This is like he dresses up as an old guy.

[Zach Amico]

Oh, no.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, my God.

[Sean Donnelly]

This has got to be early 80s. One of the boys.

[Dan St. Germain]

So Mickey Rudy's the only one is getting building. Wow.

[Sean Donnelly]

He's. He's probably 22 in this. Oh, my God.

[Dan St. Germain]

God.

[Sean Donnelly]

Nathan Lane, Francine Beers.

[Dan St. Germain]

I got excited for the first three. And Scatman Crothers.

[Zach Amico]

Dude, I want.

[Dan St. Germain]

Didn't you just make this for us? Now? Now, now it feels like. AI.

[Zach Amico]

No, I watched, I, I, I watched this uninterrupted one. It just came into my feed, and I was like, well, whatever. This is by the. Created by Saul Turtle Top and Bernie Orenstein. I know what puts people in front of the television. It's Mickey Rooney.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. And the cre.

[Zach Amico]

We're gonna get the spook from the Shining.

[Dan St. Germain]

What was the premise?

[Sean Donnelly]

What'd you say?

[Zach Amico]

The premise is? They're in a frat house.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

And they can't. I believe it's a. They're in college. I believe Dana Carvey and Nathan Lane are in college and they have to.

[Dan St. Germain]

Trick Mickey Rooney and he moves back.

[Zach Amico]

In with them so they can afford to live there.

[Sean Donnelly]

I thought it was going to be like Bosom Buddies but for old people where they have to dress like, honestly.

[Dan St. Germain]

Like that, that sitcom pile, that Logline would have worked somewhere with the right cast.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Like old guy. I mean, like, not that much different.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, yeah. But, but the, but that Nathan Lane just working out. Not Nathan Lane yet. Like, working actor.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

And having Scatman Crothers not that many years after the Shining. Like, that's. Not that many years after the Shining.

[Dan St. Germain]

I think Scatman was just doing whatever.

[Zach Amico]

But he was burnt, too. So, like, there's that story of the movie, whatever movie he did right after the Shining. He did like three takes of a scene. They went, we got it. And they Said he just started sobbing and hit his knees and he went. You have no idea what I just went through with Stanley.

[Sean Donnelly]

You hear horror stories from that Stanley Kubrick thing.

[Zach Amico]

He started sobbing, he started crying and he goes. He was. I just. Because he was ready to just do 50.

[Sean Donnelly]

He was. He probably just mentally prepared himself for it because he was like, it's probably.

[Zach Amico]

Just gonna give you dude movies, give you Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, because you compartmentalize everything around you is the reality of that movie.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well, it made the other one go. She went batshit crazy.

[Dan St. Germain]

She went crazy.

[Zach Amico]

I have a feeling it was gonna happen anyway. I don't think. I don't think that House of Cards was. Was too well put together.

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, Sean on our podcast this week was talking about the end of.

[Sean Donnelly]

Have you heard. You probably heard this and sorry, wild story.

[Dan St. Germain]

No, no, you tell him. This is actually just before he's gonna tell you. But your producer, can you listen to this clip when Sean describes it and see if you can find it? Because I've never seen this.

[Sean Donnelly]

Or you might be able to find the clips. Tarantino and I think Roger Avery on. On Rogan, right? And Roger Avery, they're going into the woods, went to the thick of. Of Eyes Wide Shut and he's saying, I have a theory that Eyes Wide Shut wasn't done. And they messed with it after Kubrick died. And what really was going on at that last scene when all the actions done and they're free from the cult, whatever you want to call it. Sorry for ruining it, guys, if you haven't seen it. But they're. And they're. They're shopping at the mall and they're with their daughter and she's running around. There's these, these two guys that pop up throughout the entire movie that never really are explained. And Roger Avery, I think it's Roger. I could be wrong, but it's Tarantino and somebody else is producer and he's like. What he's convinced of is that last scene, there's a lot of, like a lot of silence in the last scene. And he thinks there's. He thinks there's an a voiceover that happens that alludes to or explains they're at the mall. Those two guys are in the same store as them like this, like, it's like this hobby store, whatever, this stuffed animal store with the daughter. And then they're just there walking around and they're having their conversation. And very, very, very gently, very, very subtly, the two guys walk off and the daughter goes in those guys direction. And he's convinced that that was the payment, that they had to give the daughter up. And that's. That's how they got out of the situation they were in. But they never actually say it outright in the movie. So he's convinced that Kubrick. That's what he wanted. And that would have been in the voiceover. And they. The studio was like, nope. And he's gone. So we can do whatever we want. I don't know. Have you heard this?

[Zach Amico]

I've never heard that, and I love it.

[Sean Donnelly]

If. If you can look up the clip. It's. It's on Rogan. We put Rogan, Tarantino. Avery. It'll probably pop up and we can watch it.

[Dan St. Germain]

But then it. Then. Then that goes the whole, like, was he killed? Like, he probably wasn't, but that. It opens up a bunch of.

[Sean Donnelly]

It makes. It was such an odd. Yeah. This is like, his films are so different, and he was a weird guy.

[Zach Amico]

You can just find the clip. We'll talk.

[Sean Donnelly]

It'll be Avery.

[Zach Amico]

It actually makes me. I want to believe that, because then that makes me think Eli Roth heard about that. And that's the end of Host, because the end of Hostile is he takes the torturer's daughter.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, right.

[Zach Amico]

And he's got her on the train, and, like, he has to now experience.

[Sean Donnelly]

Right.

[Zach Amico]

What he went through. So. And I would not be shocked.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's at the end of Hostel is he goes after the. The guy who, like.

[Zach Amico]

No, excuse me. The alternate ending is he kidnaps his daughter.

[Dan St. Germain]

He kidnaps that guy.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Excuse me. In the regular version, he slits his throat in the bathroom. Right. And the director felt very Hollywood.

[Dan St. Germain]

That felt very Hollywood.

[Zach Amico]

In the director's cut, you see him and he's got his leather gloves on, and it's over the little girl's mouth, and the dad sees her get taken.

[Sean Donnelly]

Wow. Which is. Which is. Which is a way darker ending.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's a way darker ending and a way better ending.

[Sean Donnelly]

So that's. It's a great ending. I actually like Eyes Wide Shot a lot, but this makes it that much more terrifying.

[Zach Amico]

And then as far as.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, it changed the whole movie. It goes from being, like, a flat movie to, like, one of the scariest movies ever.

[Zach Amico]

As far as Shelley Duvall, sanity.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Hey, when you watch the compilation of the writer, when you question the. The. Hi, I'm Shelley Duvall. Like, that cut of her just dead inside.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

With the fact that on another podcast, didn't they openly say the most cocaine in movie history is Popeye?

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, yes, they did. I saw that clip as well.

[Dan St. Germain]

That is true.

[Sean Donnelly]

There's coke everywhere on the setup.

[Zach Amico]

They said they were shipping it in canisters. The film canisters. That's how much that's. And when you watch the movie, you're like, I think this is sped up and it's not.

[Dan St. Germain]

We should watch that. Who is Bluto in it?

[Sean Donnelly]

I do not remember who it is, but. So you think that she. Her brain was fried from the set of Popeye and then it just.

[Zach Amico]

I think her brain was fried from being in Hollywood and around drugs.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Robin Williams.

[Sean Donnelly]

Because they have her at the end. At the end, when they. People would visit her and stuff. And she was in a movie at the end and yeah, she's toothless. She looks like the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons. Off the rails. That's just the result.

[Dan St. Germain]

I think Robin Williams in that movie is more. He's not funny, he's jarring. And Popeye. It's like a jarring character. Yeah, it's just this obnoxious, fast paced talking. It's almost like. Who's the Andy Kaufman alter ego?

[Sean Donnelly]

Tony Clifton.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's almost like Tony Clifton is starring in a movie.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, it's like not lovable Williams.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

Also, I think that set is still there. That's one of the sets that they just left.

[Zach Amico]

I believe so. Yeah. I think it might be.

[Dan St. Germain]

That'd be a fun place.

[Zach Amico]

It might be an amusement park or something like that, right?

[Sean Donnelly]

I think you're right.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

You go visit it.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, yeah. I.

[Zach Amico]

It's. Did you find the clip, Adri?

[Sean Donnelly]

It's. It's. Avery Kubrick finished the movie because they hadn't done the recording of the narrator yet. And so maybe they just kind of clutched it together. Except there's an entire thread that's kind of been squashed. Squashed in that film. And that's the. The two men that are throughout the movie that are constantly in the background of the film, who eventually, in the final shots of the film, you see like Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman in that final scene in the toy store when she's looking at the Rosemary's Baby bassinet, which is totally Kubrick saying something. And they never take their eyes off their daughter until the moment they take their eyes off. And the final line of the movie is coming up. You see those two guys walking off with the daughter. They're taking her away. They've given their daughter to the pedo cult. That's what's happened at the end of the movie.

[Zach Amico]

And that's why they would be looking at it. Back to that.

[Sean Donnelly]

Right. Screened the movie. Right. I didn't even think of that. Right. I didn't even think of that. Who were outside. Apparent this is all second hand.

[Zach Amico]

But we don't have to. I don't want to. I don't want to sit and just watch.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You might be able to find the last clip and you'll, you'll see it.

[Dan St. Germain]

I mean, it's wild.

[Sean Donnelly]

I saw an edited version where they showed the clip and it's. It's clear as day. But, but it's also. It could just be that she's running off in the store as well. They never, like he said there's no voiceover. They never mention it, but it's, it's.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, but it's, it's one of those Kubrick things where it's like nothing was not deliberate.

[Sean Donnelly]

Right, Right.

[Zach Amico]

His fucking. He's moving shit around in the Shining the whole time. It's not an accident that those chairs move right in every shot. Like he's fucking around.

[Sean Donnelly]

Right. So I, I would not be surprised if that was.

[Dan St. Germain]

I, I. When you said that to me, I was like, that's one of the scariest endings I've ever heard.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

And I believe it. It reminds me, there's this Irish play called the Weir, and at the very end of it, the girl's talking about her ghost story. And it's really scary. It's a very touching play, actually. But it's a very. She gets a call from her dead kid who's saying, I'm here. I'm at the road. There's a man with a tall black hat. I'm scared of him. I don't know what to do. And that's like all the kid says. Her dead kid says that on the phone.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God.

[Dan St. Germain]

Very. It's very spooky, but it reminds me of that.

[Sean Donnelly]

And that's the ending.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's the ending of her story. It's towards the end of the. It's. It's the Weir. It's a bunch of Irish guys telling ghost stories. And some of them were fantastic. And, and one of them. And you know, like, not to blow the movie, but I guess I'll blow it. But one of them, one of the older guys, he just tells a story about how he's never found love, you know, and it's interesting, like, because it works really well with the rest of the stories.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God.

[Dan St. Germain]

And it's, it's kind of McPherson he's a great writer.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well, you know what it is they say that's all movie making. They're like, the more you leave it up to the viewer. Right. The more terrify, more terrifying it can be or more interesting it is. Because even if you look at. There's so many things where insane violence happens and the camera goes off. They have. It happens in Reservoir Dogs when he's doing the ear. It goes off. It goes off the thing. And so they just leave it up to you to imagine how horrible it is.

[Zach Amico]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre is essentially bloodless. Really think of a gory scene in that movie.

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, he cuts the hand and that's it.

[Zach Amico]

That's it.

[Dan St. Germain]

I think there's no, you don't. Well, I mean, does gut him with the chainsaw. You don't see it.

[Zach Amico]

You don't see it.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty.

[Zach Amico]

You see her go on the hook, but you don't see the hook go in.

[Sean Donnelly]

Right. It's not.

[Zach Amico]

Wow.

[Dan St. Germain]

I think that's top 10 for me. For sure.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Wow.

[Sean Donnelly]

I don't know.

[Dan St. Germain]

I don't know anyone who's a serious horror fan who doesn't have that in their top 10.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, I think it's. It's inarguable because it's the same as Night of the Living Dead looked like the war footage that was coming back at the time.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Texas Chainsaw looked like that granny footage we were getting from.

[Dan St. Germain]

It looks kind of like the beginning where they're doing all those commercial. Yeah. Like kind of industrial, Robert Altman type films.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

But. Yeah. So if you, if you leave information out, may leave it vague, then people. There's even, Even. It's not hard, but even 25th hour, somebody changed that. You've seen 25th hour. Somebody changed that movie for me. Because once again, Brian Cox is a woman.

[Zach Amico]

Ironically.

[Sean Donnelly]

When at the end your assumption is that Brian Cox is driving him to jail. And then Brian Cox on a voiceover is going through this whole thing about how, hey, instead of this, you go, you take off, you find the girl, you, buh, buh, buh, buh. You have the kids, you, you, you stand on the radar. You have a family, you have this, you have grandkids, and they show you it and then they go back into the car and it's them in the car and you're like, ah, this is a sad ending. He's just, he's. It was a dream and he's taking him to jail. But they never show you pulling him. Pulling to Jail. Almost a thousand percent.

[Dan St. Germain]

I know. So that's why I love it.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

You don't know where.

[Sean Donnelly]

You don't know if he actually did the thing he just said he was going to do. I met was under the assumption, oh, yeah, he's going to jail.

[Dan St. Germain]

And I don't know about you. My. My opinion of America and the government has changed so much in seeing that movie. When I first saw it, I was like, no, man, you got to go back to jail, face your justice. But now I'd be like, run. Fucking run. Like. Like trust. Like, Dershowitz is still walk. Yeah, run, dude, run.

[Zach Amico]

First time I saw Night Living Dead, I thought they shot Ben because they thought he was a zombie.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, really?

[Zach Amico]

And then I went to that part of Pennsylvania and I was like, oh, no. They just realized they could shoot black people.

[Dan St. Germain]

No, the movie just became about Pennsylvania. Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

Tuesday in Pennsylvania.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, I've been to. I've been to Manessa, Pennsylvania, where Tom Savini school is.

[Sean Donnelly]

Pennsylvania's a big place.

[Zach Amico]

He has a farm team. Buddy.

[Dan St. Germain]

By the way. Jacked. Seriously, he's you. He's Savini.

[Zach Amico]

Savini and Danzig are like. They depict an era and stayed that way. But, yeah, dude, Savini's got a farm team. He has a school.

[Sean Donnelly]

It was for special effects or for. For.

[Zach Amico]

So it's a special effects now. He has a director's school, too.

[Sean Donnelly]

He took over Dupont's.

[Zach Amico]

There was the. The Douglas School of Makeup is in Manessa, Pennsylvania. He went, bought in. Now it's the Tom Savini Special Makeup School. It's a two year program. He went and bought all the houses in the hood and turned them into dorms.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, my God.

[Zach Amico]

And he just has college age or went to college, and it didn't really work. So now I'm gonna try this thing.

[Dan St. Germain]

A lot of the latter, but, yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Girls and, you know, just polka dots and fucking bows and pet spiders and.

[Sean Donnelly]

And he's like. And he's like a God to them.

[Zach Amico]

And they. Their parents pay him to ship their Gothic daughters for two years to the middle of nowhere. And he's in a. I don't think.

[Dan St. Germain]

We need to see this article.

[Zach Amico]

I remember I dated a girl who went there, and he came. He didn't even talk about makeup. His first day, he did a series. He did a.

[Sean Donnelly]

A.

[Zach Amico]

A demonstration with his whip. Because he does whip. Of course he does. And then somebody. Somebody stole it.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

And they said over the loudspeaker was whoever stole Mr. Savini's whip today. Please bring it back. You won't be in trouble. It has sentimental value.

[Sean Donnelly]

He shows the girl. He brings the girl back Room shows you that. That weird cock and balls gun from weird Wonderful.

[Dan St. Germain]

Did you. Yeah, man. He's like Savini's the bastard. He's like.

[Zach Amico]

He's so famous. He was on the Simpsons as himself for being an effects guy.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, yeah. Like even in for Dusto dawn. He's just Tom Saviti at the bar.

[Zach Amico]

Yes.

[Sean Donnelly]

Plays Tom Savini.

[Dan St. Germain]

I don't know, but it's like that's basically. That's who he is in real life is like that guy.

[Sean Donnelly]

But he's got to be 70 years old, right?

[Dan St. Germain]

80. Gotta be 80.

[Zach Amico]

I bet he's pushing 80. Look it up, Bubba.

[Dan St. Germain]

I mean, he's. He really is like what him and Wes and John Carpenter and like a Wes Craven 79.

[Sean Donnelly]

Wow.

[Dan St. Germain]

John Carpenter like him and John Carpenter. Like. I always feel good when I see them because it just reminds me John.

[Zach Amico]

Carpenter is just playing music. John Carver is just playing.

[Dan St. Germain]

I don't know how you guys didn't get him for Skank Fest. He would have been perfect, but instead he had to pay for the. The. The. The director of Boondock Saints to watch somebody in the middle. Is that happening? Is there. Why going on?

[Zach Amico]

No, I'm sure it'll be. Be in a room.

[Sean Donnelly]

It'll be controlled. Yeah, I'm sure Tom Savini's doing the makeup.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, I'm sure that'll be.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, you should have. You really want to fright. They should do a hard. Tom Savini should work on Frankie Valli. Have you seen.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, my God, that guy.

[Sean Donnelly]

Those videos are terrifying.

[Dan St. Germain]

You know, Frankie Valli now looks like Chucky's kid. Yeah, the Chucky kid. Yeah. If you haven't seen Chucky's kid. But I was thinking about the whip. Have you ever seen that Batman Returns sequence where Michelle Feifer gets the.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, she gets all three mannequins.

[Dan St. Germain]

All three mannequin. She gets the head off of everyone. It's amazing. Like, to the point of like where she got done. There was like a pause. Then everyone like goes like. Like on set. Even her. She's like, what the. That was cra. Like, it was crazy.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. Those are the record. It's that Toby Maguire catching all the. On the Lunch train. Spider Man.

[Sean Donnelly]

That really happened.

[Dan St. Germain]

That really happened.

[Zach Amico]

They said it's like 120 takes.

[Sean Donnelly]

Wow. And they were shooting for it. They were trying.

[Zach Amico]

Brian Cranston throwing the pizza on the roof. In one shot.

[Dan St. Germain]

I heard that was.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, that was Corny Weaver with the Alien 3 with the basketball shot. First try.

[Zach Amico]

Really?

[Sean Donnelly]

First try.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's the craziest.

[Sean Donnelly]

That's crazy.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's the craziest. Now, the whole movie around that, by the way, because we've seen the movies.

[Zach Amico]

In the first Alien, did they have to frame by frame, take out her bush?

[Dan St. Germain]

Jesus Christ, Zach.

[Zach Amico]

No, I'm serious. They had an airbrush because she had like 70s bush, a line of hair coming out the top of her face.

[Dan St. Germain]

I thought that was hot though, the little bushy bush.

[Sean Donnelly]

A lot of that back then.

[Zach Amico]

But I don't think you could show it and get the rating right.

[Sean Donnelly]

It'd be like X, right. Or B.

[Zach Amico]

And they. I think they had to airbrush her vagina. I believe it.

[Dan St. Germain]

And because of that, now no woman can have a normal. Yeah. Can look normal on.

[Sean Donnelly]

But that was. That was what, 82, 80. What year was first alien?

[Zach Amico]

That sounds about right.

[Sean Donnelly]

Because then you had Revenge the Nerds and they showed Bush and that. That was our. Yeah, but they showed Full on Bush and everything and Revenge of the Nerds.

[Zach Amico]

There's weird rules with, like, comedies. No, like, I think showing a hint of Bush is almost different than full on. Yeah. Or like, I know in Phantasm they have to cut away because a guy's pissing his pants while he dies and they were going to lose the R on that. That really Bodily fluids.

[Dan St. Germain]

We watch Phantasms the greatest.

[Zach Amico]

It's great, dude.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's like. It is. It feels like a movie a church made to get funding, but it's good.

[Zach Amico]

You know, it was watch with weekends for like a year.

[Dan St. Germain]

It was what?

[Zach Amico]

Weekends for like a year.

[Sean Donnelly]

Watching the whole thing?

[Zach Amico]

No, no. Making Phantasm. They didn't have a schedule.

[Sean Donnelly]

They just.

[Zach Amico]

They would just get together every weekend and shoot what they could.

[Dan St. Germain]

Have you seen it?

[Sean Donnelly]

I've never seen.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's real. It's like very fun.

[Sean Donnelly]

I remember the guy from it, though. The guy.

[Dan St. Germain]

The tall man who. That guy won Grammys for classical music. He composed.

[Zach Amico]

I did not know that.

[Sean Donnelly]

Really.

[Dan St. Germain]

The bad guy from that is. Is the job you'd think the bad guy would be. He like. Like all this medieval music and stuff. He actually is that guy.

[Sean Donnelly]

It's like John Test, apparently.

[Dan St. Germain]

Very nice guy too, but scary looking.

[Sean Donnelly]

John Tesch's music. You're like, yeah, I could see you make.

[Dan St. Germain]

There is. Okay, tell me this right now. Does anyone. And I'm telling you, I'm gonna include. I'm gonna include Athletics with this Michael Jordan. I'm included.

[Zach Amico]

Has there.

[Dan St. Germain]

Is there any performance as intense and more on the money than John Tesh playing the NBA theme at Red Rocks in Denver? I don't know if there's anybody more, if you wanted to pull that up. Have you ever seen it?

[Zach Amico]

I know. Exactly.

[Dan St. Germain]

Is there anyone who's more in their element than John Tesh in that moment?

[Sean Donnelly]

I've never seen that.

[Dan St. Germain]

I don't think Springsteen can beat him. Like, I don't think Jordan in the.

[Sean Donnelly]

Finals can beat him.

[Zach Amico]

It's maybe Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood. That's when they do the chain.

[Dan St. Germain]

Can we. Can we see. I'm sorry. Can we see the first one, the John Tash one?

[Zach Amico]

Or. I will say there is a live Bon Jovi where Richie Sambora obviously fucking hates John so much. They just. Fuck. There's. They do Cowboy and they are yelling the song at each other.

[Sean Donnelly]

That must happen a lot with those bands. Or you have. Did you ever see the clip? It's another viral one of Prince. It's Tom Petty, Prince and a couple of the big names. And they're doing a benefit for somebody, and Prince just goes. They're doing Famous, not his song. But he does the solo. He does a solo in the song and he just goes off. And the other ones are just like, the fuck are you doing? But it's a really intense solo that just came out of nowhere.

[Zach Amico]

Prince did that to a bunch of people.

[Dan St. Germain]

I think that's waving his dick.

[Zach Amico]

He did it to Michael Jackson, I think.

[Sean Donnelly]

I'm sure he did.

[Zach Amico]

Oh, no, that was Slash. Michael Jackson in the. They were doing Beat it. And Michael Jackson cuts off Slash's solo because he thought he was going too long.

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, then I heard that there was like this. There was this guitarist meetup, and it was like Jimmy Page and Jackson Brown, Somebody big. And then the edge. And the edge from you two was, like, totally exposed. Like. Like. Yeah. As a fraud. Like, because he's known as one of the better. And all these guys are just kind of looking. I'm like, oh, you can't do that. You know, like, oh, okay. All right, fine.

[Zach Amico]

Did you find the. The. Yeah, the. John Tasha had red rocks.

[Sean Donnelly]

There was also when we talked about the bush being removed, The. The line of hair, whatever it was. You ever hear about the. The Last Waltz is, like, one of my favorite things in the world. And if you. There was coke in Neil Young's nose and they removed it digitally from.

[Zach Amico]

From.

[Dan St. Germain]

I didn't know they were. I did not Know that Van Morrison kills it. It. During that.

[Sean Donnelly]

He kills it.

[Dan St. Germain]

Guest ever.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Like Pink Floyd, the Band. He's always the best special.

[Sean Donnelly]

Talk about getting angry. I went to go see. Years ago. I went to go see him in Connecticut. It was like old person. Old person. Concert started at 8, done by 10 on the day.

[Dan St. Germain]

But you said that his voice is perfect, Right? Perfect.

[Sean Donnelly]

And it wasn't a record. And one of the reasons you knew is because during the band playing, he was just screaming at the band. Different things. He wanted. He go faster. Faster. Come on. What are you doing? And you could hear him yelling.

[Dan St. Germain]

He wants to get the out of there. I think.

[Zach Amico]

Think.

[Dan St. Germain]

You know what? I'm gonna go. I think his voice is better than Freddie Mercury because I think it's between him and Freddie Mercury. And I think I like his voice better than Freddie.

[Sean Donnelly]

Really? That's a. That's a hot take because everyone says.

[Dan St. Germain]

Freddie Mercury has the best voice. You know, I guess they'll say Micah Jackson too, but that's not really.

[Zach Amico]

He's got the best range.

[Dan St. Germain]

The best range. He has the best range. But I think Van Morrison is the best.

[Sean Donnelly]

I like his voice better, the style of it. But Freddie Mercury was like operatic. Like, he was like.

[Dan St. Germain]

Freddie Mer could do more.

[Sean Donnelly]

Probably. Probably. The decibel level. Was it like breaking glass level?

[Zach Amico]

I think he also had like the range, like the lowest of the highest. Comfortably.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. Like classically trained.

[Dan St. Germain]

He could sing anything.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

When I was talking about them taking the bush out, by the way. Because that was an issue when movies went to hd.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. Because.

[Zach Amico]

Because a bunch of movies were lit for film. And also like Terminator, Arnold's balls are out.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, when he's coming out of the thing.

[Zach Amico]

Or like a lot of shots that used to just be, like, playful. Like a lady's butt.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Is now. But. And the back of the bur. You know what I mean? The McDonald's single.

[Dan St. Germain]

The McDonald's single.

[Zach Amico]

You know it exact. By the way. Everyone knows exactly what I mean.

[Sean Donnelly]

I know exactly what you mean. But. But you couldn't. You're saying before it was filmed.

[Zach Amico]

Before it was filmed. Now. Now, in certain movies, they've had a retouch.

[Sean Donnelly]

That makes sense.

[Zach Amico]

So did you. Let's. First of all, was I right on the alien thing?

[Dan St. Germain]

Sorry.

[Sean Donnelly]

I was looking for the red rocks.

[Dan St. Germain]

And it's not coming up.

[Sean Donnelly]

There's some other live performances.

[Dan St. Germain]

What's the alien question? Sorry.

[Zach Amico]

Well, did they have to airbrush her bush out?

[Dan St. Germain]

Okay, give me one second.

[Zach Amico]

No problem. Take your time, buddy. I'm trying to think of other accident. Dude, I just. Did you ever see the naked guy in the cornfield in Twister?

[Sean Donnelly]

No.

[Dan St. Germain]

No.

[Sean Donnelly]

Would you break onto set or something? Or. He just was there.

[Zach Amico]

There's just so some people say it's a scarecrow, but it doesn't have clothes on.

[Sean Donnelly]

This is like the wizard of Oz thing with flesh.

[Zach Amico]

They drive by. It's. This is going to be another AJ Google YouTube naked man twister.

[Sean Donnelly]

And you're in the camp that you think it's a naked guy.

[Zach Amico]

I don't know what it is.

[Dan St. Germain]

I heard he's going to be at Skank Fest this year. Naked scarecrow that he's going to be judging.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, he's going to be in the porno.

[Sean Donnelly]

No, I didn't. No, I never saw that. But when I was a kid I was obsessed with the. The guy hanging himself in wizard of Oz. So I love that. Or I didn't believe this one. Or the three men and a baby ghost was really.

[Zach Amico]

That's a. A cardboard cutout.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. And it's supposed to be there cuz he's an actor in the movie Set dressing. Oh, here we go.

[Zach Amico]

Let's see you put the sound on.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

The drive by a cornfield and a.

[Sean Donnelly]

Seemingly naked man can be seen peeking.

[Dan St. Germain]

Out from the field and watching the vehicles pass by. You right?

[Sean Donnelly]

There's no narrative reason whatsoever.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, you can hardly see that in two quick shots. I thought we were going to see.

[Zach Amico]

No, there's a closer one.

[Dan St. Germain]

Safe to assume that the man was simply a random passerby who was accidentally captured in the film.

[Sean Donnelly]

And either the film. I don't see how that's possible.

[Dan St. Germain]

Or assumed that audiences wouldn't. What a weird career Helen Hunt had, you know?

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, well, she's known for. She was known for being an.

[Zach Amico]

All right. Well, the best one is Mr. Nanny.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, what's that one?

[Dan St. Germain]

Mr. Nanny.

[Sean Donnelly]

I don't know if I know that you're gonna.

[Dan St. Germain]

A.J.

[Zach Amico]

Google this one. It's Mr. Nanny. It's the very. I want to say it's the very beginning. And it's Hogan on his motorcycle and a guy just throws a dog in a river.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, yes, I have seen this.

[Dan St. Germain]

I've never seen this.

[Sean Donnelly]

I've seen a video of this.

[Zach Amico]

It is. It's not playful. It is not like, hey, buddy, go.

[Sean Donnelly]

And it's not the set. Like it's. It's just. They're just filming and. And yeah, I've seen it. It's up. It's crazy. Or the oh, the Back to the Future one's crazy too. After we. I'll show you. Yeah, I, I.

[Zach Amico]

Oh, good.

[Sean Donnelly]

This is already. This is already too long.

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, well, he's trying to play. I think he's trying to play there. Yeah, that's a playful.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, but you never get the ending of that.

[Dan St. Germain]

No, you never get the end. That is also true.

[Zach Amico]

Are you talking about Back to Future 3 with a kid poking his dick?

[Sean Donnelly]

Yep. The kid, he's pointing to his penis.

[Zach Amico]

He goes, I think he's trying to tell his mom he has to pay.

[Sean Donnelly]

I think that's exactly what it was because they like, they made it like this like weird, like, you know, the dark web type scenario, like pedophile thing. But it's not. There's the two kids. Maybe has Jules and Verne.

[Dan St. Germain]

I mean, it is what I watch.

[Sean Donnelly]

Jules and Vern. He's on like the hypersonic train and he shows up.

[Dan St. Germain]

I've never seen Back Future three, really. Never seen. Anyway, I've only seen the first two.

[Sean Donnelly]

Doc Brown has a couple of kids. He shows up. He's like, he's talking to them. And in the background the kids are just hanging out. And one of the kids goes like this. It's like almost to the camera to come close, like signaling the camera and just points to his dick. It's clear as day. It's what he does. But I think you're absolutely right. I think it's that he can't. He has to use the bathroom. And he was, he was afraid of getting in trouble probably.

[Dan St. Germain]

I want to watch that Werner Herog Claus Kinsky movie where.

[Zach Amico]

Oh yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Where they just probably like. There's a point where like, like cla. Clous has pissed everyone off so much on set that like, there's a point where the villagers actually want to kill Clouse. And it's like so real. He's like these around. Cuz Werner wanted to kill us. He's like, yes, yes. Get hungry. Get. Remember he did this at crafts table? Yes. Like, he's like. And apparently the whole movie it's just those two screaming at each other the whole time.

[Zach Amico]

They straight up fight, right?

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, they just straight up like fight. I. I haven't seen it yet, but I, I imagine they fist fight at some point.

[Zach Amico]

I think they like, grab weapon. I think somebody grabs a hammer at some point.

[Sean Donnelly]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, Lost Soul is crazy. I mean, you've seen that, right? Sean, Lost Soul is the making of Dr. Moreau.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. I was just talking about this the other day.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Sean Donnelly]

With the. With the director. He gets fired.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

Dog at the end he just hung out.

[Sean Donnelly]

He never leaves. Right. He just like hides out and then comes back on set. Right, right.

[Zach Amico]

So he. He had had a big indie hit.

[Sean Donnelly]

Right.

[Zach Amico]

And they hire him to do this was his. His dream job. But then everything fault. Val Kilmer switched parts with the other guy at the last second.

[Dan St. Germain]

Which you can tell because.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

They're both not right for the.

[Zach Amico]

They're both not right for their parts.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Brando doesn't know the script. Brando has not read the script.

[Dan St. Germain]

Refuses.

[Zach Amico]

He is taping pages to the other actors heads.

[Dan St. Germain]

But I heard he became obsessed with a little person.

[Zach Amico]

So they. That little God. So that's what Mini Me is a parody of is. There's a little fella in.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, it's the greatest part of it. It is. It is great that they give him a tiny piano.

[Zach Amico]

So. Yeah. And we're us playing piano. He's got a tiny. Good. That. That's what Mini Me is from. But so he was a little actor and he was just supposed to be one of the monster people. And Brando saw him and like. No, he's in every scene with me now. So now they're in like Malaysia. Like they're in the middle of nowhere. They have already had all their sets and costumes destroyed by a hurricane and had to rebuild the whole movie. Now 400 pound Marlon Brando sees a two foot rat man and goes we need to be dressed identically.

[Sean Donnelly]

With the same makeup on and everything with it in every scene.

[Zach Amico]

So now you've gotta make it in both possible biggest and smallest sizes. And then there's just a scene where he has an ice bucket on his head and you're like that's an odd hat. And I. No, he just put an ice bucket on his head and said this is my hat.

[Dan St. Germain]

I mean clearly he just wanted entertainment for filming. He's like entertained. So I'm just.

[Zach Amico]

Let's post his kid killing themselves. Right? Isn't it Post his kid committing suicide.

[Dan St. Germain]

I forget. Yes, I think it is. Is that the same one that was accused of being. Oh really? Wow. That's being.

[Sean Donnelly]

What were you going to say?

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, that's the. They think it was him or Robert Blake, Brando's son. That was they. Actually it's Robert Blake probably didn't do it. And it's the craziest.

[Sean Donnelly]

No, he died before that.

[Dan St. Germain]

That Brando son died before that. Yeah, well, I know but he was probably in. In prison. I mean this was like the night oh, he got. He. Brando son died before Blake was arrested for. Yeah, okay, well, I guess there's another Brando son, but it's like, it makes more sense. The problem with Robert Blake is he's like the least likable guy ever. So whenever they asked him about it, you're like, this guy's guilty. But if you actually break it down, he's. He. It's. It probably was Brando's kid who's also dead, I think now. But. But Brando, I mean, like, those stories from Superman are incredible. That, like, they. He wanted to be a bagel. Like, he. So he didn't have to film. He was like, I'll just voice over a bagel, a floating bagel to be Superman's dad. I mean, clearly he stopped after Godfather. He was like, okay, I don't give a anymore.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well, apparently, wasn't Godfather also like, they.

[Zach Amico]

They.

[Sean Donnelly]

That was also like a comeback type. Like, he was already on the down slide, like, for sure. And then Godfather, like, they was. There was a thing with his weight with the Godfather. Like, even though it works really well for the role, like, they didn't think he'd be as big as he was in the Godfather. There's a. There's a story from the Godfather that I read once that. That I guess it was mentioned his weight a couple times, either pre production or production. And then remember the scene where he. After he gets shot, and they're coming back on the stretcher and they carrying up the stairs. Seen Godfather where they're bringing him back into the house. It's really solemn. All the kids are there. Kids are crying. Kids are like running around. And then there's all the. All the kid. All his kids are there and just.

[Dan St. Germain]

A tray of zeppelin falls off.

[Sean Donnelly]

No, what he did as a prank is he put weights on the. On the stretcher. So he fell right through the stretcher. And they were freaking out and they thought it was like just him and she was fucking with him, like the weight thing. But I'm pretty sure, like his second.

[Zach Amico]

Best prank on set ever. If you know his best prank without a stick of butter involved.

[Dan St. Germain]

I will say the fattest. Brando. The last movie he's in with Ed Norton, and I forget the other guy who's in it. It's like Ed Norton. Him and somebody else.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, it's the. Not the. It's not the freshman. It's the heist one.

[Dan St. Germain]

The heist.

[Sean Donnelly]

Matthew. It's De Niro, and it's a pretty good movie. The score.

[Dan St. Germain]

The score yeah, the score. It's a pretty good movie, but it is pretty good. He's so big in it. It is. He's. There's a point where he's at the sauna and he's like, half the sauna.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got. He. But I'm saying, like, that's what I mean.

[Zach Amico]

Like, he.

[Sean Donnelly]

Even by Godfather, they were like, hey, this might be an issue, but can you think of the Godfather not being that exact guy? You know what I'm saying? It works out so perfectly well, the God.

[Dan St. Germain]

I think that's what the thing about crazy acting choices is. Like, every once in a while, they work, but that once in a while, working ruins a hundred other performances. Because if you would like described, oh, it's gonna be Marlon Brando, but he doesn't have a cotton ball, and he's gonna, like, speak in this weird old attack. I'd be like, well, this is gonna be terrible. And it was great.

[Sean Donnelly]

Even that had a baby version of the little guy thing because the cat. And Godfather, he just found the cat. He just. The cat? Yeah, he just brought the cat.

[Dan St. Germain]

Brando just needs a friend. Every time he's on set, he has.

[Zach Amico]

To pick, I think a little friend.

[Sean Donnelly]

He's just. He's just. He.

[Zach Amico]

He came up with the original emotional support animal.

[Dan St. Germain]

It was actually a midget.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah. Emotional support.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah. Do you think. Do you think island of Dr. Moreau was just. Because the, the, the topic, it was just cursed, like, that's why everything went. Or just. Or involving the worst, because Bel Kilmer was known for that.

[Dan St. Germain]

Hp.

[Zach Amico]

It's a perfect storm. It's a perfect storm.

[Dan St. Germain]

I will say, I think HP Lovecraft stuff just does not translate well. Like, even the stuff that I like.

[Zach Amico]

That's not HBO.

[Dan St. Germain]

I think that was HPFCraft.

[Zach Amico]

No, no, it's Wells, isn't it?

[Dan St. Germain]

Oh, it is H.G. wells. Okay. Because I was about to say, don't know. I just saw from beyond, which was great, but it's kind of a bomb.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah.

[Dan St. Germain]

You know, like, so I, I, I thought that was. What's his name.

[Zach Amico]

Lovecraft only works. It needs to be from Great, but it's bomb. It needs to be scaled down because it's such high concepts.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yes.

[Zach Amico]

It's like the reason the end of it never will work.

[Dan St. Germain]

Well, the, the thing is. Well, it also just doesn't work. But, like, yeah, that, that the stuff that, like, Lovecraft was, like, terrified about is, like, a lot of stuff that we cover on our podcast now. Like, the whole interdimensional being stuff. Yeah, that was all him. And that was like a hundred years. So hopefully Cthulhu isn't under all these goddamn spaceships. Shout out to burbs bros, baby. We're talking about spaceships in the ocean.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Oh, yeah, I'm 100. I. I did a. What the. Did I just do a deep dive on. Oh, astral projection.

[Sean Donnelly]

Oh, yeah, There's a great English show about that there.

[Zach Amico]

It was an artist who said he could. Am I. Am I onto this?

[Dan St. Germain]

I think a lot of Chris Ramsey was on our podcast, said he said.

[Sean Donnelly]

He did it as well.

[Dan St. Germain]

He and Sean pretty much believe that guy pretty much all the time. As far as like, he doesn't seem like he's.

[Sean Donnelly]

So it's all within the same umbrella of this thing called. You've heard of remote viewing. It kind of reminds me of remote viewing. But astral projection, I think you're. They kind of classify them as two different things. I don't know who but the artist.

[Zach Amico]

There's an artist. He said he could do the remote viewing and they would give him like coordinates on Earth and he would close his eyes and say him. And he would be dead on.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yes, there's. There's Ego Swan.

[Zach Amico]

That's exactly. That's who.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's who I'm talking.

[Zach Amico]

But then he did it.

[Dan St. Germain]

I've been listening to him all week.

[Zach Amico]

Venus.

[Dan St. Germain]

He's so boring.

[Sean Donnelly]

He's the other one you were talking about with. Was it Mars or Venus?

[Dan St. Germain]

Yes, that was. That's Ingo Swan. He was the one who saw rings. Saturn's ring. No, Jupiter's rings.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, he's. So that we knew Saturn had rings. They asked him to describe, I guess.

[Dan St. Germain]

Jupiter in the 70s and then they just found out he was right.

[Zach Amico]

And he had. Yeah, he said that there's rings.

[Dan St. Germain]

He said there was ice bros this weekend. But they are saying that one of Jupiter's moons could be home to life because it's the right temperature.

[Zach Amico]

But basically this guy had everything right. And the second that we found out he was dead on, all his got classified.

[Sean Donnelly]

Really.

[Dan St. Germain]

He was right on a lot. I mean, the craziest. He's the one. He's the one. All the stuff about Mars, you know, like 10 million years ago, like, he's that guy.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well, it's also the same thing happened with Bob Lazar. With Bob Lazar now is being proven right now more than ever.

[Dan St. Germain]

When the. Is that documentary coming out? There's like a new one? Yeah, I think. Is that Corbell or is it Somebody else.

[Sean Donnelly]

Corbell did his already.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's good. No, Corbell is good. But there's a new one.

[Sean Donnelly]

There's probably another one. But if after Corbel's Lazar because Of the element 115 is he's been proven right. More just more and more the more this stuff comes out. Lazar just has been. It's been that he's just telling the truth.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah.

[Zach Amico]

Do you guys believe the Blink182 bin Laden thing?

[Sean Donnelly]

What about that? What's that one? I know, I know about time delong with. With to the Stars.

[Dan St. Germain]

But Mark hoppus is actually us on bin Laden.

[Zach Amico]

So Tom DeLong when they were on a USO tour and when Vinland was still putting out the tape. When he was. When he was still dropping tapes.

[Sean Donnelly]

Mixtapes.

[Zach Amico]

Yeah, when he was still dropping singles.

[Sean Donnelly]

Every once in a while outside Penn Station trying to sell his mixtape.

[Zach Amico]

They were doing USO shit. And supposedly Tom DeLong said to like a high ranking military person like why don't you fly plane? Like we know basically where he is. Like within. They said within. However, you know.

[Sean Donnelly]

Yeah, General.

[Zach Amico]

They had a general area that he's like why don't you fly planes over it? Playing frequencies that are. You can't hear. And then fly them in coordinates so that we can make a map. And then the next video fucking listen for those. And we'll be able to put to. We'll be able to put a cross section on where he is. And they said we got the lineman like three months after that.

[Sean Donnelly]

Really.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's. That's actually sad.

[Sean Donnelly]

Believe it.

[Dan St. Germain]

That sounds totally believable. Like I can't believe they didn't come up with that early.

[Zach Amico]

I mean I know he basically had to make it a grid so it was like this frequency.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's how they say they're taking down UAPs now. So like you know that. That. I totally buy that they have that.

[Sean Donnelly]

You know, you probably heard about the psionics program and the.

[Zach Amico]

No, please indulge me.

[Sean Donnelly]

So there's the whistleblower named Jake Barber. He's the real deal. His cover job is he was helicopter mechanic. And what he really was a part of was this long standing rumored.

[Dan St. Germain]

Long rumored crash retrieval. Most likely former intel intelligence too CIA type scenario.

[Sean Donnelly]

But like you know, JSOC was always involved in that was just like joint something something, something. Anyway, Jake Barber came out and basically was like this. What I was really doing was retrieving these objects and all different types. Some of them we had brought down using this machine we have that like you were just saying, gives off a signal that attracts these things. And then they had the. His whistleblowing came accompanied with the night vision video on, of a rope and then an egg shaped object on the end of it. He. And then he said, but it was an area called the range where we pull these things down. We were doing testing there. But besides that, he's like, I went around the world retrieving it for this top secret group.

[Zach Amico]

The guy had.

[Sean Donnelly]

The guy, nobody's, nobody said the guy's not who he says he is. He said his personal interaction with the object was one of these egg ones. I think the ones they took down is that he got in it within about 50ft of it. And he said it felt like I was melding with the object. It felt like it was, it was sentient and that I experienced overwhelming sadness and joy at the same time. It felt like my mother and I changed my life.

[Zach Amico]

That's how my mother makes me feel.

[Sean Donnelly]

And full on changed my life forever. The guy, you know, I think he's ex military now. They have a group called. What are they called called?

[Dan St. Germain]

They're called Skywatcher.

[Sean Donnelly]

Sky Watcher. They've put out multiple videos. Apparently they have a new one coming out which is literally them taking object down from the sky and it's all filmed and it's going to supposedly blow it wide open. But that's been said about a lot of things. So this guy, if you see this guy, this guy's on the level. This guy seems ex military, everything. And this group is made up of people who are all legit. So the Psionics program is the program that he was involved with and now they're doing it commercially with this group.

[Zach Amico]

I can't wait.

[Dan St. Germain]

He's getting some pushback too. But like that's just, you know, like right now there's like a comedy. You know, obviously there's like a bit of a comedy called Civil War. Comedians are on each other. That's the UAP community all the time. Like, all the time. There's like somebody trying to like, I mean, Greer and freaking Will Elizondo. These are, these are guys that are always kind of sniping at the other guy a lot of the time. Yeah. So you can't like, you have to like take a couple stories in. But at this point it's like, I mean, if there aren't UAPs at this point, then I mean, it's impossible. I think, I think it's impossible. It has to be more Than just us. It has to be more than just us at this point. It's so unbelievable it's almost egotistical to say that it's not because then that means that there's a coordinated bit for the last 80 years. You know, it doesn't make any sense.

[Sean Donnelly]

Sense. It wouldn't be able to be. I got a Christmas card in July once. It wouldn't be able to be done by. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like I don't trust. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I don't get me wrong, there's high level government groups like, you know, we're talking CIA and I say all these, all these ones that maybe could pull off something. But this is. You're talking 80 years you're talking. Yeah, you have the same. There's a lot of these, a lot of these, these guys that are deep within it. They just. When Dick Cheney died, they said he was one of the guys who was trying to subvert this whole effort because he thought religion is, is part of it. He thinks it's demonic what's going on with this stuff. And he thinks the source of where some of these things come from is demonic.

[Dan St. Germain]

Dick Cheney.

[Sean Donnelly]

Dick Cheney was part of this. Which makes sense. Halliburton, all this third parties.

[Zach Amico]

He recognized it.

[Sean Donnelly]

Prayed to it every morning.

[Zach Amico]

Feels a.

[Sean Donnelly]

Bob, I haven't seen you since the meetup. So anyway, they, it's one of these things.

[Zach Amico]

But whose joke is that? How do we know what, what weapons Afghanistan, Iraq have. Because we have the receipts.

[Dan St. Germain]

I mean all those guys believe in like they think that, you know, the reason they want to use the doom demons is transhumanism. They want to become one. You know, they want to live forever.

[Sean Donnelly]

But the fact of the matter is I don't think according to effort over 80 years. I'm sorry, I just don't see humans. And then on top of it, what happens, it's just becoming more legitimized. So you've always had these whistleblowers, people like why now? Why, why is everything I've saw is probably fake? It's like because you decided it's, it's fake. There's, there's things have been coming out for years and years and years that are legitimate, but because they're not co signed. It depends on what you're just going to believe out of this.

[Dan St. Germain]

It's almost a matter of just read UFO nukes. Guys. It's the only mo. I mean it's not, it's not the most. It's not the most fun read. It's not like reading. Yeah, it's not like you know, legit Whitley Strivers book, but it's. It's legit. It's just all. It's all instances and facts and hard.

[Sean Donnelly]

Data and that's kind of where we come from with the show because you know, being on comedy and show business and stuff, it's like I think with a lot of these guys. Yeah, I think it's partly show business for them. But there's so many guys that are boring as in the UFO world that are like, that guy's for real. This guy does not want the spotlight. This guy's a hundred percent for real.

[Dan St. Germain]

Some to the point like unweaponized this week. I don't have the guy's name on but they had what it was. He was basically running the X Files for the United States. I guess he was kind of doing what Nick Pope did in the UK but for the US and he's so frustrating because he'll tell you up to a point and then he'll stop because.

[Sean Donnelly]

He still thinks James McCasky.

[Dan St. Germain]

That's it. Thank you. James Lucaski. He's the most frustrating whistleblower of all time. But like just like, like thinking of that, like keeping that in mind, like this is the most frustrating whistleblower of all time. He's probably not going to tell me anything. The stuff that he tells you, you're like, well, this is crazy because he took like. So he is saying this is a thing and they're not from here. And he said he's not telling us about anything else but he is saying that. So like this is real, you know.

[Sean Donnelly]

Well that's like you know, Corbell and.

[Zach Amico]

Wait, can you say he's the worst whistleblower of all time?

[Dan St. Germain]

Again, Worst whistleblower of all time.

[Zach Amico]

Mine's Bill Alfonso.

[Sean Donnelly]

Who's that?

[Dan St. Germain]

It's so funny that you like you slowed it down for that too. A minor wrestling manager, by the way.

[Zach Amico]

Too them. Your bad, Jo. It was for me and me only. Like it wasn't even to make him laugh.

[Dan St. Germain]

There were like way nicer photos of all of us than any of Bill of on. Yeah, good idea. But grill fun manager. I loved him with rvd.

[Zach Amico]

Sorry, I need. I needed to dumb down everything that was going on.

[Sean Donnelly]

No, we went off on the.

[Zach Amico]

Thank you guys so much for tuning in. We're going to call it here. Thank you to my guests, Sean Donnelly, Dan St May, please check out Burbs bros. These guys are the coolest. And we'll be at Skank Fest. So I will see you this weekend.

[Dan St. Germain]

Yeah, to any of us.

[Zach Amico]

See you over there. Take care.

[Dan St. Germain]

Favorite OB and join the crew. It's a Miko morning, too. It's a go morning. 2.