The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan

Episode: Dan Farah | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan
Date: December 24, 2025

Episode Overview

In this spellbinding episode, Billy Corgan sits down with producer and filmmaker Dan Farah to explore the revelations behind Farah’s record-breaking new documentary. Together, they dig into stunning claims of government coverups, credible testimony from high-level officials, and the implications of humanity’s relationship with non-human intelligent life. The conversation ranges from technology races to spiritual musings, all rooted in the landmark disclosure movement that Farah’s film catalyzes. This episode is vividly candid, philosophically rich, and offers both the curious and the skeptical a rare insight into the state of UAP (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena) research and revelation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Documentary's Groundbreaking Claims

[01:25–02:19]

• Elevator Pitch: Farah’s film draws on interviews with 34 high-level military, government, and intelligence officials who allege an 80-year coverup of non-human intelligent life by the US government, including a covert technology race against adversaries like China and Russia.
  • “There has legitimately been a cover up of non human intelligent life. It’s real. It’s a real situation at this point.” (Dan Farah, 03:46)
• The credibility of sources is emphasized—senior senators, intelligence leaders—who have much to lose and nothing to gain from fabrication.

2. How the Film Landed Such High-Powered Voices

[02:21–03:26]

• Farah leveraged his producing background (notably on Ready Player One with Spielberg) to establish credibility, slowly building trust over a year with insiders before more doors opened.
  • “Whenever you can say that, you know, you worked with Steven Spielberg...people generally take you serious and will hear you out.” (Dan Farah, 02:50)

3. Timeline: Human Contact with Non-Human Intelligence

[04:45–05:59]

• The "first major event" relayed by Farah's sources was a UAP crash and retrieval in Italy in WWII, followed by Roswell in the US. This led to the launch of the so-called “Legacy program”—a secretive crash retrieval and reverse engineering effort.

4. Unanimity Among High-level Sources

[06:18–06:43]

• Despite different backgrounds and no prior consultations, the interviewed officials privately corroborated each other's claims.
  • “I interviewed all these people who had no relationship...they were all saying the same thing in private conversations.” (Dan Farah, 06:18)
• The film’s credibility stems from collective risk-taking by reputable figures.

5. Governmental Disclosure Momentum

[08:51–09:36]

• Senator Marco Rubio emerges as a strong proponent for disclosure, initiating classified and public reports, as well as the UAP Task Force.
  • “Rubio is the muscle behind all of this.” (Dan Farah, 09:36)

6. Skepticism and the Changing Definition of Evidence

[07:33–08:31]

• Farah contends that no credible counterarguments have emerged—detractors cite lack of evidence, but the bar for proof remains unreasonably high in the public eye.
  • “You could put a 4K video...and half the human population would be like, oh, that’s AI...These people all took real risk to share what they lawfully could.” (Dan Farah, 07:52)

7. The Nature and Intent of Non-Human Entities

[12:29–14:19]

• Both Corgan and Farah embrace the complexity and moral ambiguity of potential contact—there may be “good” and “bad” civilizations, and our rapid nuclear progress has likely intensified external attention.
  • “There’s a lot of intelligent life in the universe and some is good and some is bad...maybe some view us as a problem.” (Dan Farah, 12:29)
  • “We’re still acting like we were coming out in World War II...We’re a violent species...” (Dan Farah, 14:19)

8. The Cold War for Reverse-Engineering Technology

[17:12–18:56]

• The US, Russia, and China are in a competitive rush to decode alien technology, with past fleeting cooperation now supplanted by rivalry.

9. The Public’s Right to Know

[18:56–20:03]

• Farah asserts society is now ready for presidential disclosure, citing historical analogies to the space race, but with even greater stakes.
  • “I think we’re at a point now that this film is out there, where the President can more comfortably step to the microphone and tell the world we’re not alone in the universe.” (Dan Farah, 18:56)

10. The Legacy Program: The True Government in the Shadows

[29:09–30:09]

• The so-called “Legacy Program” has operated with misappropriated funds at immense scale, keeping Congress and even presidents out of the loop.
  • “This isn’t like 50 guys in a room. This is a significant operation that has had billions of dollars in funding...more like a trillion dollars since the 40s.” (Dan Farah, 29:09)
• Senators and intelligence officials have only recently pierced this veil due to the heightened tech race stakes.

11. Terminology, Rebranding, and Stigma

[31:43–32:49]

• The move from “UFO” to “UAP” was both a pragmatic and PR decision, aiming to shed the “giggle factor” and encompass unidentified phenomena in all environments, not just airspace.

12. Competing Theories: Four Hypotheses

[43:22–44:43]

• Congressman Gallagher articulates four possible explanations:
  1. Adversary leapfrogged US tech
  2. Rogue US government tech group
  3. Non-human intelligence
  4. "All of the above"
• Farah now leans most heavily toward a combination: “there is non human intelligent life here...some of what we see is made by our secret program...and some...by adversary secret programs.” (Dan Farah, 44:07)

13. Spiritual and Supernatural Implications

[55:59–57:02]

• Farah and Corgan touch on the resonance between UAP encounters and historical/religious supernatural accounts, speculating that religious texts may preserve misunderstood records of contact.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Coverups and Heavy Hitters:

  “34 people putting their reputation and their name on the line, their credibility on the line, their ability to provide for their families. These guys all have clearances...These people all took real risk to share what they lawfully could.”
  — Dan Farah, [08:04]

• On Disclosure’s Tipping Point:

  “How can you win a technology race if...99% of the scientists in America don’t even know it’s real?...You have to get academia and the scientific community to understand this is real.”
  — Dan Farah, [31:08]

• On Stigma:

  “You start your conversation off with ‘UFO’...the little green men joke...this cultural ridiculous, you know, unjustified stigma led to the giggle factor. So...rebrand this...Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena.”
  — Dan Farah, [32:06]

• Ants in the Treeline Analogy:

  “The ants in the tree line in your backyard could be there for generations...Until circumstances change. Like, what if you wake up one day and the ants have figured out how to get under your door and now they’re in your house, they have gotten smarter. They have figured out how to get to a new place. That’s a problem for you now.”
  — Dan Farah, [34:55]

• Governmental Secrecy:

  “Congress has been kept out of the loop. The White House has been kept out of the loop.”
  — Dan Farah, [29:47]

• Presidents Left in the Dark:

  “Rubio breaks down in the film how even presidents are on a need to know basis about this...they’re viewed as temporary.”
  — Dan Farah, [50:45]

• On Personal Encounters:

  “I have only seen one thing with my own eyes...I saw what looked like a satellite moving slow...and then this thing just rocketed off. And satellites don’t do that.”
  — Dan Farah, [46:59]

• Reflections on Religion & UAP:

  “It’s hard to go down this road and not find similarities between UAP events...and certain things that are in the Bible...Maybe at some point things that are written about the Bible were actually just...experiences with life from elsewhere.”
  — Dan Farah, [56:17]

Major Timestamps and Segment Guide

• 00:00–01:25: Playful banter on aliens (good vs. bad), rapid grounding for the documentary focus.
• 01:25–03:46: Dan Farah’s summary of his documentary; landing government heavyweights for interviews.
• 04:45–06:18: Historical timeline of crash retrievals; birth of the “Legacy program.”
• 08:51–09:36: Senator Rubio’s role; mechanics of governmental disclosure.
• 12:29–14:19: What motivates “aliens” and what nuclear weapons have to do with UAP spikes.
• 17:12–18:56: Global great power rivalry and limited collaboration on UAP technology.
• 18:56–20:03: Call for presidential announcement and lessons of the space race.
• 29:09–30:09: Deep dive on the scale and scope of the “Legacy program.”
• 31:43–32:49: Why terms matter: moving from UFO to UAP.
• 43:22–44:43: Four working hypotheses, and where Farah lands.
• 46:59–48:30: Both guests share personal UAP sighting stories.
• 55:59–57:02: Philosophical and theological implications; is the paranormal just the poorly understood “normal” of higher intelligence?
• 57:52–59:51: International military attitudes (including Russian navy stories); reasons for confidence in the mounting evidence.

Tone and Atmosphere

The conversation is candid, searching, at times conspiratorial, but always anchored in the gravity and complexity of the subject. Farah is methodical and sincere, Corgan openly philosophical and creatively inquisitive, with both displaying deep respect for factual rigor and for the unsolved mysteries at the heart of the UAP revelations.

For anyone fascinated by the new openness around UAPs, government secrecy, or the grand sweep of human existence in the cosmos, this episode is essential listening—a rare, honest look at a topic hurtling from the fringes to the center of public discourse.