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Episode: John Cowsill | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan

Date: September 3, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, Billy Corgan sits down with musician John Cowsill, whose remarkable career began as a child in the Cowsills, one of America's most unique family bands. The conversation spans John’s early days navigating music, the family dynamic that defined (and complicated) their journey, wild stories from the road, creative challenges, and how his musical life evolved all the way to the present. Through humor, candor, and nostalgia, John and Billy explore both the highs and lows of a life forever shaped by music and family.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Childhood and The Formation of the Cowsills

• Music chose John:
  • “Yeah, my career picked me. I didn't pick it. I just did it." (00:00, 03:41)
• Early exposure: Grew up in Canton, Ohio; oldest brother Bill was the "Brian Wilson" of the family—an early spark for their sound and ambition (03:41–04:14).
• Singing around the table: Their first musical experiences were informal, singing folk songs and experimenting with harmony from a young age (04:14–05:16).
• Self-taught musicianship: John recounts learning drums on a blue sparkle Slingerland kit, no lessons—“Everybody's self-taught. No lessons at all.” (08:29–08:30)
• Playing gigs as kids: By age eight, John was playing four sets a night in local bars; the band was a novelty—four minors gigging in wine bars and sneaking around age restrictions (11:03–12:29).

2. First Record Deals and Industry Realities

• From Chota with Johnny Nash to Mercury:
  • Recorded 20 R&B songs with Nash (“I have them all. It'll be a box set someday.” 15:31–15:43).
  • Transition to Mercury Records led to frustration: they weren't allowed to play on their own records, which John says “pissed me off” (20:17–20:20).
• Being steered into novelty songs:
  • “We just left Johnny Nash playing some serious stuff. And now we're here: ‘I love my Siamese cat because she's not very fat’ with a toy piano.” (21:03–21:59)
• Learning about studio musicians:
  • The family wanted to be taken seriously as a real band, not just a novelty or children’s act (22:44–22:52).
• Vocal talent stood out:
  • Billy notes, “The pitch on the family is crazy good. Like you guys just all have good pitch singing. Yeah, it's wild...” (18:15–18:33)

3. Family Dynamics and the Role of Parents

• The Cowsills' unique family structure: The band included six siblings—and their mother, Barbara, at management’s suggestion.
• Mother's reluctant participation:
  • “She was not into this. She was a housewife. She was a Navy housewife ... she just was there and she was a good camper ... we got famous because of that probably.” (34:10–36:20)
• Father as authoritarian:
  • “He was a tough Navy guy, man … He just wanted a duck. He was a jerk. You know, I wouldn't want him for a father, but he was a nice guy with his friends, and everybody loved him.” (19:27–19:40)

4. Breakthrough Moments and the Challenges of Fame

• “The Rain, The Park and Other Things” and Ed Sullivan
  • John describes the magic of being on national TV as a child—“We can't get the grins off our face because we're on the same stage where the Beatles were.” (29:38–29:43)
• Sudden fame:
  • “We went from nothing from 0 to 100.” (43:22–44:23)
• Living with, and reacting to, sudden wealth and attention: Moving from poverty to a California mansion, then being ostracized in a wealthy neighborhood (44:23–46:42).
• Negative side of celebrity: Neighborhood kids vandalize the house and throw their instruments into the pool (46:12–46:35).

5. Navigating the Music Business and Creative Struggles

• Not playing on their early studio records:
  • “I remember being at those sessions and they said, well, you go. You go down and sit behind the drummer.” (24:00–24:09)
• Recording “Hair”:
  • John corrects the historical record about how and where the song was recorded (“It took 58 takes because I kept slowing the goddamn bridge down.” 53:12–53:29)
  • “We count the holds. And like, everybody who tries to play that song, they always play the beginning wrong.” (54:02–54:05)
• Changing music landscape:
  • Cowsills seen as square or “not cool”; John reflects, “We weren't cool growing up, man. It hurt. It hurt my older brothers.” (31:59–32:22)

6. Family Tensions and Collapse

• The firing of Bill Cowsill:
  • “All I see is my dad get out of the car, and Bill gets out of the car, and my dad pulls his guitar out of the back thing and throws it on the driveway, and we take off to go do the tour.” (59:51–59:57)
• On the decline:
  • “We're on our way down. You can just feel it. We lost Bill. We're still doing cover songs at the shows, you know, and losing members here.” (62:07–62:16)
• Asking to end the band:
  • Bob, Barry and John decide to end the family band, despite their father’s pleas and new song ideas (“Oo Weep Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep... God, I gotta sing soon. I can’t believe I’m having this crap. It was just—you’re kidding. Indian Lake was bad enough.” 65:00–66:02)

7. Reflections and Legacy

• Lack of regret:
  • “I don't feel any pain whatsoever from any of it. I only have nice memories. I only remember the good. Anyway. That's just my personality. So the bad stuff just...I don't waste my time with it.” (68:38–68:51)
• Billy on legacy:
  • “When I really look at what your family accomplished, it's like, no, there's a much more interesting [story] … there's a lot of musical depth there.” (37:36–37:57)
• On the family blend:
  • “Your family blend is very unique ... You could take two of us and it would still sound like us.” (67:17–67:28)

8. Later Years and New Beginnings

• Ongoing music career:
  • John plays with the Beach Boys, now tours and records music with his wife Vicki Peterson (of the Bangles).
  • “I've never been a lead singer of any band in my whole life, and I'm standing there, not even playing drums, singing with the Smithereens. And that's my new thing right now.” (79:54–80:25)
• New album with Vicki Peterson:
  • “The album is called ‘Long After the Fire,’ on Label 51.” (79:52–79:54)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On family music roots:

  • “We always sang around the table, you know, folk songs ... And twisting up my shorts because my uncle Bob had a tape recorder. I was probably five then.” – John Cowsill, 04:14–04:45

• On being a novelty act:

  • “We're here. I love my Siamese cat because she's not very fat with a toy piano.” – John Cowsill, 21:03–21:59

• On child stardom:

  • “That was tough going through puberty in public.” – John Cowsill, 38:26–38:29

• On parental management:

  • “He was a tough Navy guy, man. ... He was a jerk. You know, I wouldn't want him for a father, but he was a nice guy with his friends, and everybody loved him.” – John Cowsill, 19:27–19:40

• On outrageous studio pressure:

  • “It took 58 takes because I kept slowing the goddamn bridge down.” – John Cowsill (on “Hair”), 53:12–53:29

• On creative breakthroughs:

  • “We wanted to be the Beatles, we wanted to be the Stones, we wanted to be taken serious.” – John Cowsill, 22:44–22:51

• On legacy:

  • “I only have nice memories. I only remember the good. Anyway. That's just my personality.” – John Cowsill, 68:38–68:51

• On family vocal blend:

  • “You could take two of us and it would still sound like us ... in our separate projects, it's just there.” – John Cowsill, 67:17–67:28

• On musical kinship:

  • Billy Corgan: “The level of talent in the family is kind of shocking.” (76:21–76:30)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Childhood and Early Family Band Formation: 00:00–12:29
• First Record Deals & Industry Realities: 15:07–22:52
• Family Dynamics & Adding Mom to the Band: 33:28–36:57
• Breakthrough Hits, Ed Sullivan Appearances: 27:05–31:24
• Living in California, Fame Fallout: 43:22–47:25
• Recording, “Hair” and Song Process: 49:40–54:17
• Firing of Bill, Band Breakdown: 55:47–61:42
• Winding Down, Personal Reflections: 62:05–68:51
• Later Years, Ongoing Musical Journey: 72:59–80:27

Concluding Thoughts

This episode offers an intimate voyage through the highs and lows of life in an iconic family band. John’s memories—alternately funny, poignant, and clear-eyed—highlight both the magic and the strain of such a unique upbringing. The episode stands as a testament to the indelible mark the Cowsills left on American music, and the resilience of its members, who continue to create and perform decades after their first harmonies rang out around a kitchen table.