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Rob Demars
Nerd Alert. Learning is important, right?
Elena Jasper
Yes, exactly. But a bunch of nerds.
Rob Demars
Nerd alert.
Elena Jasper
That's right. Marketing Architects. Hello and welcome to the Marketing Architects, a research first podcast dedicated to answering your toughest marketing questions. I'm Elena Jasper. I run the marketing team here at Marketing Architects. And I'm joined by my co host, Rob demars, the chief product architect of misfits and machines.
Rob Demars
Hello.
Elena Jasper
Hello. We are back with your weekly Nerd alert. Every week I'll take a deep dive into academic marketing research and translate its complex ideas into simple, understandable language for Rob, and of course for all of you. Are you ready to nerd out, Rob?
Rob Demars
Like a well crafted algorithm, I am feeling fully optimized, Elena. So let's do this.
Elena Jasper
Perfect. Let's get into it. As always, we'll link the research we cover in the episode notes. This week I read a study titled Conceptualizing and Measuring Brand Salience. And this is by Byron Sharp and Jenny Romanuk for the University of South Australia. But before we get too far, Rob, I wanted to ask you, when I say brand salience, what comes to mind?
Rob Demars
The Webster Dictionary. Because I want to go look up the word salience every time I hear it. So I'm assuming it has something to do with having a brand be relevant in certain like maybe buying situations or something. But man, that salience word, that's a. That's a $3 word right there. So help me out.
Elena Jasper
You're right about what it is, but usually people get it wrong. Sometimes it's mistaken for just being top of mind. But like you said, that's too simplistic. It's not just about awareness. It's about a brand coming to your mind in a buying situation.
Rob Demars
Oh yes. I didn't realize the buying situation part of it was that crucial.
Elena Jasper
Yes, that's what this study is all about. So they argue that that's just way too simplistic. Just the idea of being top of mind. They think it's more about memory structures. So it's not just whether you recognize a brand or you can name it in a survey. Instead it's about how many mental connections does this brand have in consumers minds? Connections that help it pop up, you know, when they're actually making sure a purchase decision. So Rob, let's do this. Name a soft drink brand, Mountain Dew in particular.
Rob Demars
Diet Mountain Dew.
Elena Jasper
Perfect. So that would be more traditional top of mind awareness. Now name a drink that you grab while you're at the movies.
Rob Demars
I tend to get the Seagram's ginger ale.
Elena Jasper
There you go, so that's a brand salience. That answer was what mental associations you have with movie theaters. And the more cues, you know that ginger. Would you say ginger ale? I love ginger ale. Yeah. The more cues your brand is linked to, the more likely you're going to be recalled in real world buying situations. So, Rob, could you think of a brand in your mind that has done an amazing job of linking itself to multiple cues?
Rob Demars
Disney. I just think of, holy smokes. I mean, between the ability to be known for family entertainment or the vacation, the ultimate vacation experience, or just even just feeling nostalgic for the brand. I mean, they just, they connect in so many ways.
Elena Jasper
For me, they're really smart about how they do like their distribution strategy too. It's not just the movies, it's the theme parks, it's the toys. Like, you can't really, you can't really miss it. Well, let's talk a little bit more about the study. There is a key distinction which is that brand salience is different from brand attitude. So marketers, you know, we like to talk about brand love. Do people like our brand? You know, do people like Disney? But liking a brand doesn't necessarily mean it's going to come to your mind when it matters. Consumers don't always make purchases based on these deep seated preferences. They often buy what they think of first, just in the moment. So this study makes the case that brand salience is way more predictive of buying behavior than attitude because you don't have to love a brand to buy it. You just have to think of it at the right moment. So, Rob, what's a product you've bought recently that maybe you don't necessarily love, but it just popped right into your head as like the best option?
Rob Demars
Taco Bell. You know, I, I'm pretty sure that 20% of what I ate was plastic, but it was just, it was, it was in my mind, I'm like, I could use it. I don't know why I think I'm gonna enjoy it and I never do.
Elena Jasper
You know, I heard Taco Bell is actually one of the healthier, like, fast food places.
Rob Demars
I mean, that's a, you know, tough competition. I suppose they just have to add like real cheese.
Elena Jasper
And all of a sudden, number one. All right, well, let's talk more. Here's where things get kind of crazy with the study. They argue that salience is probabilistic, which means that even for the same person, the brands that they think of can change based on the cues they encounter in a buying situation. So here's an example. You might normally associate Heinz with ketchup, but if you're at a barbecue, your brain, it might suddenly associate Heinz with mustard or relish instead. Which is because brands, we exist, they exist in this web of associations. And the more associations a brand has, the more likely it is to be remembered. That also explains why brands, you know, big brands, they tend to stay big. They're just connected to more cues and more situations. So Coca Cola is usually like a great example of a brand with a lot of brand salience. They're not just linked to soda, they're linked to holidays, summer family meals, sports, games. That's what makes them so salient. And most marketers, they measure brand awareness with surveys like which of these brands do you remember? But Romanok and Sharp, they argue that's just not enough. We should be measuring by how many different buying situations trigger brand recall. So a better approach might be instead of just asking, what brand of running shoes do you know, ask what brand comes to mind when you're buying shoes for a marathon. What about casual wear? What if you're on a budget? And the more situations where your brand is recalled, the higher its true salience. The takeaway here is that brand salience, it's not just about being known, it's about being thought of in the right moments. And that means marketers should stop obsessing over, you know, brand love, brand attitude, and instead focus on brand cues. Make sure your brand is linked to as many relevant situations as possible. And now for our robgpt. Brand salience isn't about being the loudest person at the party. Should be more awareness. It's about being the friend who gets invited to every event because they fit into every conversation, which would be more, you know, mental availability, brand salience.
Rob Demars
I love that. And I can't help but wonder if there's, if it could really help put a finer point on a lot of consumer research and brand recall studies, you know, because I do think we tend to be pretty broad when we're seeking learnings about a particular, you know, aided, non aided recall, but boy, that adds an added flavor to it. That's really cool.
Elena Jasper
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. And I know that we do that in some of our brand studies, like for example, we did a brand study for the agency. And the really obvious one is when you think you need TV advertising, what agency do you think of? That's category entry point. But it makes me think, I mean, there are other moments where maybe a marketer, they're capping out on their digital channels.
Rob Demars
Right.
Elena Jasper
What do you think of maybe not tv, you know, but could we be something they think of when they're experiencing that? Or. So that's kind of fun. Or like a marketer joins a new company and can we have them think, oh, I should bring in marketing architects? Like, it's fun. It's. I think it's a little bit easier when you've got a brand like Coca Cola. It's like, oh, there's so many opportunities. Like, there's not many opportunities to hire a television agency has to drink Coca Cola. But depending on the brand could be some opportunities there and then it's fun to think about. All right, what are the different kind of category entry points we have? What ones do we want? How we're going to go get them or steal them?
Rob Demars
Yeah. Your movie theater example is going to stick with me because I love diet. Do I drink it all the time? I don't drink ginger ale all the time, but when I'm at a movie theater, I do. For whatever reason, I was like, that's such an interesting. Like, and why I really enjoy ginger ale, but I just don't associate it with, I'm at work, I'm gonna drink a ginger ale.
Elena Jasper
Who knows? I mean, maybe years ago you were at the movie theater and happened to reach for it, or someone told you to buy it or you saw an ad for it. Who knows?
Rob Demars
I saw Star wars when I drank a ginger ale and it just stuck with me forever.
Elena Jasper
It's the power of Star Wars. I guess that's it for this episode of the Marketing Architects. We'd like to thank Taylor de Los Reyes for producing the show. You can connect with us on LinkedIn. And if you like the podcast, please leave us a review. Now go forth and build great marketing. Marketing architects.
Episode Overview In the episode titled "Nerd Alert: Brand Awareness vs Brand Salience," released on March 6, 2025, The Marketing Architects delve into the nuanced differences between brand awareness and brand salience. Hosts Elena Jasper and Rob Demars explore academic research to provide marketers with actionable insights on enhancing brand recall and driving purchasing decisions.
Elena Jasper begins by introducing the concept of brand salience through a study titled "Conceptualizing and Measuring Brand Salience" by Byron Sharp and Jenny Romanuk from the University of South Australia. She emphasizes that while brand salience is often conflated with brand awareness, the two concepts have distinct implications for marketing strategies.
Notable Quote:
"Brand salience isn't about being the loudest person at the party. It's about being the friend who gets invited to every event because they fit into every conversation."
— Rob Demars [05:58]
Elena explains that brand salience goes beyond mere awareness. It encompasses the memory structures and mental connections that enable a brand to surface during specific buying situations. Unlike brand awareness, which might be measured by a brand being recognized or named in a survey, brand salience is about the depth and relevance of a brand's associations in consumers' minds.
Notable Quote:
"Consumers don't always make purchases based on these deep-seated preferences. They often buy what they think of first, just in the moment."
— Elena Jasper [03:18]
The hosts discuss key findings from the study, highlighting that brand salience is a more reliable predictor of buying behavior than brand attitude. The study argues that being top of mind is insufficient; instead, a brand must be intricately linked to multiple cues relevant to various purchasing contexts.
Key Points:
To illustrate the concept, Elena and Rob engage in interactive examples:
Mountain Dew vs. Seagram's Ginger Ale:
Disney's Multifaceted Salience:
Rob cites Disney as a prime example of a brand with extensive salience due to its association with family entertainment, vacations, and nostalgia. This multifaceted presence ensures Disney remains top-of-mind across various consumer contexts.
Notable Quote:
"Brand salience is about being thought of in the right moments."
— Elena Jasper [05:57]
Elena critiques traditional survey methods that measure brand awareness by simply asking which brands consumers remember. Instead, the study advocates for assessing how often a brand is recalled across different buying situations. For instance, rather than asking, "What brand of running shoes do you know?", a more insightful question would be, "What brand comes to mind when you're buying shoes for a marathon?"
Key Recommendations:
The discussion transitions into actionable strategies for marketers aiming to enhance brand salience:
Notable Quote:
"They connect in so many ways."
— Rob Demars [02:49]
Elena summarizes the episode by reiterating that brand salience is crucial for driving moment-of-purchase decisions. Brands should focus on creating and strengthening multiple associations that trigger brand recall in diverse buying scenarios. This approach not only enhances visibility but also ensures that the brand remains relevant across various consumer needs and contexts.
Final Thoughts:
Notable Quote:
"Make sure your brand is linked to as many relevant situations as possible."
— Elena Jasper [05:57]
The episode concludes with Rob and Elena reflecting on the importance of brand salience in modern marketing. They encourage listeners to apply these insights to their own branding strategies to build more resilient and influential brands.
Final Quote:
"If you like the podcast, please leave us a review. Now go forth and build great marketing."
— Elena Jasper [08:06]
Connect with The Marketing Architects:
This episode provides a comprehensive exploration of brand salience, offering marketers a deeper understanding of how to position their brands effectively in consumers' minds. By emphasizing the importance of contextual associations over mere awareness, The Marketing Architects equip their audience with strategies to foster meaningful and actionable brand recall.