Mel Robbins (4:06)
Hey, it's your friend Mel and I just want to take a moment and welcome welcome you to the Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so excited you're here and I'm especially excited about what you and I are going to talk about today. This is research and insights that changed my life. It has made my life better. We're going to be talking about friendship. You are going to love this. You're going to want to share this with people that you know, that you love. And in fact, if this is one of your first episodes, I want to take a moment and welcome you to the Mel Robbins Podcast family because you made the time to listen to this particular episode. Here's what I know about you. I know that you're the type of person you value your time, number one. Number two, you made the time to listen to this and that means you're interested in learning about ways that you can improve your life. And one of those ways that you want to improve your life is by creating friendships. I love that for you. And if you're here because somebody forward this to you, guess what? This is a sign that you do have friends. This is a sign that you do have people that care about you. And so I love that for you. And I love what we're gonna talk about because you are gonna feel so empowered. You're gonna feel even more connected to friends. Because today, I'm gonna remind you of truths that you already know. That friendship matters, that you're capable of creating it. That the best friendships, some of the most fabulous people, they're not on the road behind you, they're on the road ahead of you. And you're going to get to know how to create those friendships, despite the fact that it feels impossible right now as an adult to make new friends. Because what we're also gonna discuss is rules about adult friendship that you need to know. These are rules I had no idea existed. I didn't discover them until about three or four years ago. These rules are going to change the game entirely, just like they changed the game of friendship for me. So whether you're listening right now, and you're in your 20s, and the only thing that is holding your friends together from college is a text chain, and that text chain is getting quieter, and it is getting quieter. Or you're in your 30s and everybody is suddenly in different stages of life, or maybe you're in your 40s or your 50s, like me, and the chapter of your life is changing profoundly, which is impacting your friendships. Or you're older. I mean, we all need friends. I don't care how old you are. I was just talking to my father the other day, and My dad is 80. And I was saying to him, hey, so, dad, have you and mom thought about where you might want to go in terms of a retirement community? I mean, are there any friends that you have that are living in one that they seem to love, that you would want to go to one where your friends are? And he paused and he said, well, you know, Mel, unfortunately, a lot of our friends are older and they're starting to die. And I thought, oh, my gosh, that's true. And then he paused and he said, so I guess mom and I are going to have to make new friends. What an amazing thing to say, isn't it? We all deserve friendship, and that's why we're gonna talk about this. It's a huge part of your life. And so no matter how old or young you may be, no matter where you are in the journey of friendship, you deserve great friends. And so if you're finding that it's impossible to create friends as an adult, you're not alone. But what I'm gonna promise you is this. Not only is our conversation today gonna be eye opening and empowering, but I'm gonna make you feel better. Because you will embrace the simple truth that some of the best friendships of your life are ahead of you, and you are fully capable of creating them, no matter where you are, where you live, how old or young you are. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to listen to this, because your life is gonna get better. And also thank you for taking the time to share this with people that, you know, that may feel lonely or. Heck, everybody. Because we all deserve to have incredible friends. So let's talk about why making friends as an adult is so hard. There is a massive shift that happens in adult friendship when you hit 20 and no one sees this coming. I didn't see it coming. You didn't see it coming. See, the rules of friendship completely change when your 20s hit. And so I'm gonna explain what the rules of friendship were when you were little, and then we're gonna talk about the rules of adult friendship that hit when you turn 20. So when you were little, all the conditions for meeting friends, creating friendships, having friends in your life, they were all handled for you. I mean, just think about life when you were a little kid. You were around people your age all the time. Your entire childhood set up the structures and conditions that made friendship possible. I mean, just think about it. When you went to school, you sat in classrooms with kids your age on the weekends. You were playing town sports, you were riding the bus. You were constantly around kids who were the same age as you, going through the same things. And just think about it. You're learning the same subjects in school. You have the same schedule during the day, you are celebrating the same milestones. You're reaching 14, 15, 16. You're going to prom, you're going to homecoming, you're graduating. All of these things that were happening in your life where you were little, the play dates that your parents set up, the team dinners before the big games, all of these things created this environment where you just expected friendship to happen. You just expected that you'd be around people your age all the time, because you were. That's why friendship was so easy when you were little, because the conditions for it were set. And then when you graduate from high school, what happens? Oh, you typically go on to college or you go into the military. And again, you're now not just with people your age all the time. You're living with them, you're eating with them, you're going through the semesters with them, and you're on the same breaks during the summer. You're moving through life together. And so when you're little, not only are the conditions present for you to meet people your age, connect with people doing the same thing, you can relate to everybody because you're going through the same experiences, but you also have something else in common. And what is that? Friendship's a group sport. Everybody kind of expects to be invited, right? I mean, why wouldn't you? You're on the same team, you're in the same friend group, everybody's going to the prom, so there's gonna be a pre prom party. And so your childhood conditioned you because you live near, you ride the bus with your friends, you're seeing your friends all the time to just expect that friendship would be easy. And because you are naturally as a kid in all these groups, whether it was a classroom or it was a team, or it was a sorority or a fraternity or a dorm room floor, that you would just be expected to things. Because if the group is invited, then of course, if you're part of the group, then you're invited too. And that's why nobody sees the big change coming when your 20s hit. Your childhood trained you just like it trained me to expect friendship to be easy. It made you believe to expect that you'd always be invited, that there's always something going on. Because there's always something going on in college, there's always something going on in high school. There's always something going on in your friend group. Right? Right. But then something happens and none of us see it coming. And it happens when your 20s hit. And what is it that happens? Well, I call it the great scattering. All of a sudden everybody graduates from college and boom, they scatter in a million different directions. All of these people that you used to see every single day, that lived in the same place as you, that were on the same timeline as you, that celebrated the same milestones as you, they move and boom, scatter. Which means the conditions and the structure for the friendships that you enjoyed and loved when you were little, gone. Everybody that you love is moving in different directions. They're on different timelines, they're doing different things, they move to different cities, and next thing you know, the only thing that is holding together that tight knit group of people that you lived with during college is some text chain that slowly gets quieter and quieter and quieter because people are naturally focusing on the lives that they're building and wherever they are and the people that are right in front of them. And that's when it hits. Right when you get into your 20s is when the great scattering hits. And all of a sudden you're like, where did all my friends go? Why am I not invited? Why are people living together over here and I can't find a roommate over there? And then you make a major mistake because you don't understand that there are conditions and rules around friendship. And those conditions were present when you were a kid and just served up to you and taken care of. You don't realize that friendship just went boom from a group activity to a individual sport. And because you don't see it coming, I didn't see this coming. You then grip and you cling and you make it personal, and you try to hold onto people, and then you think that you need to break up with people. That is not the rules of adult friendship. There is a different way that I want you to approach this. But unless you truly embrace what I'm talking about, that friendship changes when you hit 20, you will forever be working against the rules of adult friendship, and you will feel like it is so hard to make friends as an adult. And I'm going to teach you today that there are great scatterings that happen throughout your life. Because when you hit 20, that's just the first time that it happens. You move to that new city, you're all excited. It might be your dream city and your dream job, or maybe you're going off to medical school or graduate school, and you're so excited to be there, but then, boom, you get there and you don't have any friends. And so now you're going to be in it again, and it's going to happen again in your 30s, when all of a sudden, the friend group that you had in the city, they start getting engaged and moving in with their partners, and then they might be buying a house or having a family and moving to the birthday herbs, and boom, they scatter again. And it's going to happen again. When you hit your 40s and your 50s, maybe you go through a divorce, you change jobs, or, heaven forbid, you're experiencing some tragedy or massive loss in your life, and it's just consuming you. Anytime there is a life change, anytime your life changes, there are these mini scatterings that happen. And even my father, when I asked him, where do you think you and mom might want to go if you think about moving to some sort of awesome retirement community? And he says, well, our friends are dying, that's a great scattering again, which means you have to be reminded that great friendships are ahead of you. And if you understand the three rules of adult friendship and you embrace the truth of what I'm telling you, which is friendship is not a group sport. Friendship is an individual sport. And you have the ability to create fantastic friends wherever you go. If you embrace this truth of what I'm telling you, you can change your relationship to friendship. You can create these extraordinary friendships in the future. And that loneliness that you feel and that sense that you have no friends or that you don't know where to start, that is going to disappear. Because I'm going to teach you, step by step by step, exactly what you need to know, exactly what the rules are that nobody's told you. And then you are going to have the roadmap to just starting to create fabulous friends. And one more thing I wanna say before I teach you these three pillars of adult friendship. And once you see these, you're gonna be like, oh, my gosh, why didn't I know this sooner? I just wanna talk a little bit about loneliness because it's a very real thing. But what I've come to realize, and I think you're gonna find this is gonna lift a big weight inside you, is that the only reason why the loneliness is there is because, just like me, you've probably never heard of the great scattering. You didn't know that friendship changed from a group sport to an individual sport. And when you don't know that and you don't understand the pillars of adult friendship and the rules that you need to follow that I'm gonna teach you today, you start to make it personal. You think you're the only one that doesn't have any friends. You think that your friends have left you, when actually they're just living their lives. They haven't gone anywhere. They're still there. You start to grip tighter, which only makes your friendships feel more strained. And so I want you to know something. The reason why the loneliness is there, the reason why friendship feels so hard, which it does for everybody, is because you simply don't see the bigger picture. And neither did I. And so this is going to be liberating and eye opening, and it's gonna dissolve all of that conflict and tension and the kind of loneliness and sadness that you feel. You can do something about this. And the first step is seeing the bigger picture. So we've covered the great scattering, which is just the fact that when you hit 20, the conditions for friendship when you were a kid, boom, gone. Everybody scatters. And from this point forward, for the rest of your life, now that you know this, you also know that people are gonna be scattering all the time. Which is why you have to be more flexible. And you also have to stop making it personal. It's not you, it's all of us. And we're gonna talk about these three universal pillars that I discovered in researching friendship because I felt like I had no friends and I wanted to do something about it. And these three pillars are so awesome because it makes you realize, wait a minute. I see it very clearly now. And now I know what to do. So let's talk about the three pillars. The pillars are very simple. It's proximity, it's timing, and it's energy. These are the three pillars, the conditions, if you will, that have to be present in order for you to create friendship. That's it. These conditions, proximity, timing, energy, they were present when you were a kid. When you turn 20, proximity, timing, energy, scatters. So let's unpack these one by one, because I really want you to understand why these are so important, why they're grounded in the research, and why this means that when friendships start to fade, it's not personal. It's about these pillars. All right? Number one is proximity. This is probably the single biggest, biggest factor in creating friendships. Proximity just means how physically close are you to somebody? And this matters. This matters way more than you think. And I'm going to explain some research because this research really empowered me and I found it to be extraordinarily eye opening. Okay? So a study at MIT found that the single most important factor for determining friendships is physical proximity. Meaning how often do you bump into somebody? How often do you see them? How often do your paths cross? And the reason why this matters has to do with the fact that in order for you to connect with people and create great friendships, you gotta spend time with them. Right? I mean, obviously. And there's even research around this. And so I wanna bring the research in so that you understand that the three pillars of friendship that I'm about to unpack, for you, this is grounded in deeply respected science. And when I know that, it's easier for me to go, oh, I'm not the only idiot here. Now, this makes a lot of sense. Now I can get my emotions out of the way and I can operate within the truth of the facts. So the research that I'm about to share with you comes from the University of Kansas. So they studied friendship, and they studied friendship of all ages. And this study is fascinating because the study found that it takes 50 hours, 50 hours of time with another person to become kind of casual friends. It takes about 90 hours with somebody for you to consider them, quote, a friend. And check this out. You need approximately 200 hours with somebody in order for you to consider someone a close friend. Now let's unpack that. And first I want to unpack that inside the context of friendship. When we were little, like, if you think about your life when you were in elementary school and middle school and high school, or in the military or, you know, in college or in a community college or a trade school, you were around people your age all the time. That proximity pillar, boom, handled by your life, I mean, riding the bus there, sometimes playing on the field, there's some time sitting in a classroom, there's some time being in a sorority, there's some time sitting in a dining hall, there's some time. I mean, you are literally clocking in 50 hours every single week with people your age. But then what happens? Boom, your 20s hit. Oh, my gosh. You barely see people your age. Why? Because you're all working. You're working all the time. And so when you really put this first pillar of proximity into the truth about your life and the fact that you gotta spend 50 hours with somebody to kind of feel like you're a casual friend, you gotta spend 90 hours with somebody. So that's like an average of 59, 70 hours to kind of be a, quote, friend. That's a lot of time. No wonder it feels so hard or almost impossible to make friends as an adult. Why? Because you have to be in proximity to people in order to spend the time with them. It makes sense, doesn't it? Of course it makes sense. And you wanna know how important this is? They've actually done research about who makes friends with whom based on proximity. There was a famous study done about the state police. I believe it was in the state of Massachusetts, where they were just curious, you know, when the cadets kind of meet each other freshman year or the first year of. Of the police academy, who becomes friends? And they started to notice this trend that people that reported to be friends were very close in the Alphabet. Why? Oh, well, because at the police academy, they were lining up in alphabetical order. They were sitting in classroom in alphabetical order. They found the same thing about chemists, that you were more likely to be very good friends with the bench scientist and chemist that was at the bench next to you doing lab research rather than the one in the lab across the hall. Why proximity matters. This is why you had such opportunity when you were a kid. It was a group sport. The proximity was handled. This also explains why it is so Challenging. And it feels impossible to make friends as an adult because you're not bumping into people anymore. And by the way, this also explains why once the grace scattering hits or you go through a major life change, positive or negative, you're going to feel like you don't see your friends anymore. Why? Well, because you might not be right in front of them anymore. Anytime you move, even if you're excited, guess what proximity changes anytime you change your job. Guess what proximity changes anytime you change your relationship and the patterns of your life and you're no longer bumping into people all the time that you used to see. Proximity just changes. It's about the pillar. It's not personal. Oh, why didn't I know this sooner? And so if you're in your 20s and you're really struggling because you feel your friendship slowly fading away, it's proximity. It's a pillar. It's not personal. But it does beg the question. Okay, Mel, I embrace the study from the University of Kansas. I gotta spend 50 to 90 hours with somebody to be a friend. I gotta spend 200 hours for somebody to be a close friend. Got it. But I don't want to get depressed because that's a lot of time and I don't have a lot of time. Why do you not have a lot of time? Well, according to the American Time study, because between the ages of 21 and 60, guess where you and I spend all our time. We spend all our time at work. So it begs the question, if proximity is a extremely important pillar for creating friendships as an adult, why aren't we best friends with people at work? Great question. I thought the same thing. Because if I'm spending all week long, 60 hours a week, in close proximity with people that I actually like, why am I not hanging out with them all the time? Why are they not my best friends? I'll tell you why. The second pillar. Timing. See, everybody at work, even though you love them, they're in a different time of their life. Timing just means, what chapter of your life are you in? And when you're at work, you're working with people who are all over the map. You might have people who are married, who are in their 50s or 60s. You might have people in their 20s. You might have people who are single, who are not single, who have kids, who don't have kids. You might have people who are healthy, who are not healthy. Everybody's all over the place, interested in different things. Yes, work puts you in close proximity. And these may be people that you like. But if you, you go out every weekend to get drunk and you're throwing up in a garbage can, it Monday morning, you're not gonna be yucking it up with everybody who spent the weekend with their adult kids or their grandkids out in the suburbs. You like these folks, you spend a lot of time with these folks, but you're not in the same time of life. You know, when I reflect on moments of my adult life when friendship actually came very easily, do you wanna know when it was? Interestingly enough, it was when our kids were really little. Because when our kids were really little, my husband and I were in a suburban community surrounded by all these other people in the same time of our life. We were all raising kids the exact same age. And we kept bumping into each other at school drop offs or at meetings at school, or on the fields, on the soccer games on Saturdays. And we had so much in common. Why? Because we had kids the same age. And so two of the pillars were present proximity and timing, which creates the conditions for you to meet people who are going through the same thing that you can relate to and connect on and to keep spending time together, which creates the conditions for friendship. But a funny thing happens when your kids go from middle school to high school. There's this scattering that happens, and the boys teams and the girls teams separate. And suddenly you're not seeing the same people. And your kids start to hang out with their own friends, and they may not be hanging out with the kids their same age from the friend group that was bigger. And then you start to scatter. And then you stop seeing all the people that you hung out with when you were in elementary school and middle school. You stop seeing them so much. And then those friendships start to scatter. You are going to experience this over and over and over again. And the mistake that I made that turned me into a walking red flag is because I didn't know about the great scattering, I didn't understand these three pillars of friendship that I have discovered that I'm talking and teaching you right now. So I thought this was personal. I thought people didn't like me. I thought I had to grip onto my friendships. When I saw people getting together, I kind of expected to be included. And when I wasn't, I was hurt and I took it personally. And then I started to cling and grip and feel insecure. And, you know, then I'm putting out really weird energy. And that brings me to the third pillar of friendship. And that's energy. See, you are not going to be in control of proximity and you're not going to be in control of the timing of life that you're in. But I'm here to tell you you are in control of your energy. And energy is one of those things between people that it either clicks or it doesn't like. You either kind of feel this thing with somebody or you don't and you can't force it. And the second that the energy shifts or it's off, it's off. And what I've noticed, and this is again a big mistake that I've made, is that when the energy feels off, when I was in my 20s, 30s, and 40s, oh my God, I just hit the accelerator and tried to force it. Which only makes the energy worse. If the energy's off, trust the energy. Because the energy can be off for a bazillion different reasons. It might be off because you're just two different types of people doesn't mean you have to hate each other, just means they're not your people. If the energy's off, it might just be because you're interested in different things. You might be somebody that doesn't drink and this is a big party crowd. Energy is going to be off. You might be somebody who's crazy into health and fitness and reading personal development books and the person you're talking to just thinks that's kind of cheesy, not gonna work. You might be somebody that is a very deep person and you might be talking to somebody who's just like loving stuff kind of on the surface. That's okay. The energy's a little off though. Don't try to force it. Trust the energy. Trust that if you just show up with an open heart and you show up as yourself and you're kind of a kind, open hearted person, that energy is guiding you toward your people. So you get into a mistake when you try to force it. That's where you're going to get insecure. That's where you're going to be a red flag. That's where you're going to get passive aggressive and clingy and you're going to take everything personally. Don't do it. And that's where the let them theory has changed my life. Learning to say let them. Let them be a person that I don't click with and still wish them well. Let them come and go in my life and not make it personal. Let me take a more flexible and open minded approach to adult friendship. Because everybody's got a lot going on. There's great scatterings all over the place. People are gonna come and go in your life. The energy is gonna shift and change between you and people that you love. And that's a beautiful thing. You know, I see so much online about breaking up with friendship. And you know, when a friendship ends and ba ba ba ba ba. What if a friendship never ends? Like for real? Just entertain that idea for a second. What if a friendship never ends? What if friendships go through seasons and there are times where you're connected with people and times where you're not? I mean, have you ever had an experience in your life where you had a friend that you were in close proximity with? You're in the same time of life, you're into the same things. And so the energy just was the energy and then either fade or you had a falling out or some such thing like that. And years go by and next thing you know, you come back around and you see this person at a reunion or a funeral or a wedding or you just randomly bump into them in some city or on a vacation and all of a sudden with all that distance and with the changes and the growth that you've both had and the things that you've experienced along the way, you come back together in a moment of proximity and timing and the energy's there. Interesting, isn't it? Oh, I'm on a roll. I have so much to tell you and I wanna just pause so we can hear a word from our friends, our sponsors, who I just adore, who support this show. 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