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This episode is all about menopause in the workplace and features Bev Thorogood, a specialist menopause trainer and advocate for inclusive conversations in the workplace.

Bev shares her own lived experience of menopause in the workplace and journey into menopause training and what she hears women describe most about their own experiences of living alongside menopause in their working lives and careers.

We talk about what often holds line managers back from having conversations about menopause and how that awkwardness can be overcome through being brave and curious and diving into the conversations. Bev shares the 4 C's to help managers through conversations. We also discuss what women need to do to overcome the shame of menopause in order to help others to help them.

We have a chat about menopause champions and whether this is 'window dressing' and what impact champions can have on the menopause agenda, dialogue and company culture. Bev also shares the work she is doing in this space and training that is on offer for menopause champions through her company Floresco Training.