Everybody Is Doing A Pod w/ Sara Foster

Summary

The Morgan Stewart Show

Episode: "Everybody Is Doing A Pod" with Sara Foster

Date: July 1, 2026
Host: Morgan Stewart
Guest: Sara Foster

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Episode Overview

Morgan Stewart returns to her podcast, bringing her signature wit and authenticity, joined by Sara Foster—actress, entrepreneur, and co-founder of Favorite Daughter. In this candid, fast-paced, and often hilarious conversation, Morgan and Sara dig into the absurdities of modern fame, family dynamics, authenticity, motherhood, personal wellness, aging, building a business, and the messy, ever-evolving realities of adult women “figuring it out.” The women swap stories, compare notes on LA childhoods, reflect on celebrity culture, and get real about professional pivots, all while keeping it deeply relatable and unfiltered.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. The Saturation of Podcast Culture (02:00–04:20)

• Both Morgan and Sara poke fun at the current podcast craze.
• Sara’s take on flakiness: She expresses how many industry folks claim they want to do podcasts but often flake, and how that stings personally:
  • “I take everything personally. I take everything and it’s terrible.” (02:12, Sara)
  • Both agree directness and authenticity earn more respect, wishing people would just say, “It’s not the right fit.”
• Conversation about codes in Hollywood—how declining invites is often just code for “you’re beneath me.”

2. Energy, Friendship, & Self-Awareness (04:19–06:01)

• Explores the importance of energy and chemistry in creative/professional relationships.
• Authenticity over personas: Sara admires Morgan’s self-awareness and lack of pretension, comparing it to her own attitude of detesting the “celebrity” label.
• Memorable quote highlighting self-awareness:
  • “Stop calling me a celebrity. I’m not a celebrity. Like, I’m D-list.” (05:19, Sara)
  • They agree that knowing your place in the world is key—and a lack of delusion is refreshing.

3. LA Childhood, Family, and Growing Up Foster (08:35–13:30)

• Sara grew up in Malibu, went to Crossroads School (“didn’t drink, didn’t do drugs, but was a 15-year-old club kid with a fake ID”).
• Distinctions between herself and her sister Erin—both in looks and personality.
• Family structure detailed: Sara has two sisters (Erin and Jordan), all pursuing creative/professional paths—Jordan is a stylist and the style director at Favorite Daughter.

4. On Wellness, Health, and Routines (09:34–11:45)

• Sara’s approach: health-conscious but not obsessive; key habits include…
  • Hydrating with lemon water and salt first thing in the morning (“hydrate before you dehydrate with coffee”)
  • Eating kiwi daily for regular digestive health.
  • Emphasizes “I’m not an expert, just sharing what works for me.” (10:32, Sara)
• Both value sleep highly—even prioritizing it over social obligations.

5. Female Friendships & the Politics of Birthdays (11:14–13:32)

• Both Morgan and Sara admit to being sensitive and somewhat grudge-holding if friends miss birthdays or social cues.
  • “I get my feelings really hurt if someone doesn’t call me, text me, or show up on my birthday. It’s kind of like, okay, noted.” (11:24, Sara)
• Ironically, neither likes doing or seeing “birthday posts” anymore due to potential for hurt feelings and social tallying.

6. Parent Dynamics, Motherhood, and Raising Kids (28:26–32:43)

• Sara discusses raising two daughters (10 and 15), co-parenting with her ex Tommy, and the complexities of blended LA families.
• The mother-daughter relationship is highlighted as both safe and fraught:
  • “Mom is safe to try out all your behaviors on. Because Mom is never going anywhere.” (31:49, Sara)
• Shared stories on teaching kids to ride bikes, and generational cycles of strong-willed children.

7. Sara's Unfiltered Path: From Modeling to Acting to Entrepreneurship (17:40–27:59)

• Describes her “non-linear” career: modeling stints in Paris, magazine covers, music videos (e.g., Backstreet Boys’ "Shape of My Heart"), and “bum” acting roles.
  • Auditioned for MTV VJ, ended up with Entertainment Tonight on MTV—a less glamorous gig.
• Candid about privilege and misconceptions about her family’s wealth:
  • “My life is paid for by me. People have this misconception that we have some unlimited cash flow situation... I wouldn’t be doing half the things I do if I did.” (18:15, Sara)
• Highlights her father’s approach: “I am rich, you are poor… If you don’t go to college, you’re on your own.” (18:49–19:08)
• Hilarious and brutal honesty about early relationships and self-worth/friendship struggles.

8. The Evolution of Celebrity & Social Media (23:10–26:46)

• Reflects nostalgically on an old-school, "tabloid era" of celebrity, where fame required movies, TV, or media coverage—not just social media presence.
• The women muse on the shift from a culture of “A-list or nobody,” to today’s influencer/creator economy.

9. Building Favorite Daughter: From Witty Tees to Multimillion-Dollar Brand (49:38–58:28)

• The accidental birth of Favorite Daughter after a Suburban Riot T-shirt collab sold $2 million worth of “Favorite Daughter” tees.
• Sara and Erin’s joint venture with Centric Brands—against industry advice to license or retain higher equity.
  • “We’d rather own 50% of something that works than 80% of something that doesn’t.” (52:16, Sara)
• Honest talk on fashion entrepreneurship, profit splits, and company valuation.
  • “We were profitable year two... Now, I think we could take it to market with a $200 million valuation.” (57:02, Sara)
  • Sara celebrates self-sufficiency and being able to provide entirely for her family.
    • “I pay my own bills. I pay for my children’s school. I pay for everything...” (58:47, Sara)

10. Aging, Self-Image, and Honesty About Beauty (45:46–48:34)

• Deep conversation on aging, Botox, fillers, and persistent insecurity:
  • Sara’s openness about cosmetic procedures—temple Sculptra, very occasional Botox, and breast augmentation ("I have no feeling in my nipples. Go through the armpit or anywhere—don't go through the nipple!")
• Both women relate to insecurity, comparison, and the pressure to "maintain" in their 30s and 40s.
• Morgan confides:
  • “I think I’ve become extremely insecure... Should I just stay and be a full-time mom?” (34:51, Morgan)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On podcast culture:
  “Everyone’s doing a fucking pod all goddamn day, all the time.” (02:50, Morgan)
• On LA/celebrity privilege:
  “If shit ever hit the fan...I’ll never be on the streets. That is privilege. But we don’t have a trust fund.” (18:06, Sara)
• On aging & expectations:
  “There was something about 39—like, you have one more year. Why do you not have all the things you want?... 30 was gnarly, too, because I had a baby and felt like a loser... But 38 was my prettiest year.” (46:20–48:08, Sara)
• On business instincts:
  “Every little thing that’s worked for us has been us kind of going... we feel this, we’re doing it different.” (51:53, Sara)
• On ambition and owning success as women:
  “Men are not afraid to be like, ‘Yeah, I wanna be acquired and make $100 million.’ We have to be more comfortable saying that.” (58:22, Sara)
• Morgan on Sara’s presence:
  “There’s a sparkliness to you and an ease that... I know people like you, I just don’t know who they are; I don’t think they’re famous.” (49:17, Morgan)

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Major Timestamps & Segments

• 02:00–04:20: Podcast flakiness, egos, and honesty in the booking process
• 09:34–11:45: Sara’s morning/wellness routine
• 13:02–13:30: Working with sisters (Favorite Daughter)
• 17:40–27:59: Sara’s early life, career in entertainment, and stories about privilege/myth vs. reality
• 28:26–32:43: Blended family life, daughters, teaching kids life skills
• 34:33–35:13: Sara and Morgan on career questioning & motherhood insecurities
• 45:46–48:34: Aging, beauty, and cosmetic procedures
• 49:38–58:28: The Favorite Daughter origin story, business advice, and scaling the brand

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Irreverent, candid, witty, and fast-paced. Both guests are blunt—willing to poke fun at themselves and each other—while weaving in real emotion and reflection.
• Relatability: The episode’s magic lies in the blend of industry-specific stories (modeling, fame, business) and universally relatable struggles: insecurity, friendship woes, mother-daughter drama, setting boundaries, and not always feeling “enough.”
• Big Picture: The arc of Sara’s story (and Morgan’s questioning) is about embracing change, defining your own version of success, owning your limitations and strengths, and staying honest in a world that rewards illusion.

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For New Listeners:

This episode is both a masterclass in real talk and an insider’s tour of LA/celebrity culture with two women who’ve seen it all: the parties, the failures, the awkward auditions, business pivots, and the daily grind of being a modern woman. If you’ve ever wanted to know what happens when ambition meets authenticity—and why the most important thing is knowing who you are—don’t miss this conversation.

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Find Favorite Daughter: Available online and at flagship stores in New York, Beverly Hills, and beyond.

Memorable takeaway:
“We’d rather own 50% of something that works than 80% of something that doesn’t.” (52:16, Sara)

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Hey, everyone.

[B]

I'm Morgan Stewart, and welcome to the Morgan Stewart Show. I'm going to be talking about pop culture, fashion, my personal life, and just a warning, I will be giving my opinions on everything, and those opinions are subject to change. Okay, now let's get into it. What's Erin's sign?

[C]

She's on the cusp. Leo Virgo. I'm triple Aquarius.

[B]

I don't. I don't.

[C]

Why did you.

[B]

Oh, my God. Okay, can I tell you something? I'm rolling at all times. Wait, can I tell you. Okay, you guys, I am so fucking excited. I know I start every podcast with this, but I want to just say, first and foremost, Sarah Foster's here. Number one.

[C]

People are like, who's that?

[A]

Who's that? Google.

[C]

Google me.

[B]

No, everyone's fucking thrilled. I just want to say you and I have never met. No, this is the first time we're meeting in person. This came together so naturally. We DMed a month ago. I said, will you come on the pod?

[C]

I slid into yours.

[B]

You slid into my DMs. I answered immediately.

[C]

Yeah, it was like the next day.

[B]

It was the next day.

[C]

It was fast.

[B]

I answered the second I saw it.

[C]

Oh, I love that you were playing games.

[B]

I hate playing games.

[C]

Same.

[B]

And I've noticed as I've tried to book people on the pod, people are like, I want to come on, I

[C]

want to come on.

[B]

And then it gets a little flaky, and then my ego gets crazy and I'm like, no.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You just don't say you want to come on.

[C]

But like also, it's okay to admit that it hurts your feelings. Like, you know when people say, like, don't take it personally. I take everything personally. I take everything and it's terrible. I understand, but how are you not supposed to take it personally when somebody. I will not say her name. Yep, we had a meeting with her. She's like a big up. Not even up and coming now. She's super major. She's a stand. She's amazing.

[B]

She's a what? She's a stand up.

[C]

She's. But she's an actress. She's all the things and hit it off. And we were like, we'd love for you to come on the pod. She's like, I would love to come on the pod. So I write her, you ready to come on the pod? She's like, honestly, I'm just not doing pods right now. And then I see her on like four fucking pods.

[B]

By the way, the not doing the pod. But than not doing the pod. Shut the fuck up, bitch. Everyone's doing a fucking pod all goddamn day, all the time.

[C]

Josie, you're not doing a pod.

[B]

100%.

[C]

Just be like you're beneath me. I don't know. Just be like, I don't want to be associated with.

[B]

Can I honestly. You know what? Good for you. Because honestly, just say, I don't think your podcast is the right thing for me to go on right now. I would respect you way more totally.

[C]

Or like, I've had someone say, I'm gonna be honest with you. I listen to your pod. I love your pod. I think I would be too nervous. And I know you'll get me to say things that I just don't really want to say. I respect it.

[B]

People say that to me, but is that kind of bullshit?

[C]

Totally. It's. It's all code.

[B]

Am I fucking up?

[C]

It's all code for you are beneath me. And because, let's be honest, everyone's looking for more views. Everybody wants more people's eyes on their brand.

[B]

That's all they want, right?

[C]

I mean, what do you mean?

[D]

A list.

[C]

Movie stars want brand want eyeballs for their brands. Everyone's just trying to figure out, how are we gonna get more of this? How are we gonna find our customer? How are we gonna. Everyone's looking for a pod to do. Just say you're beneath me, Sarah Foster. And it's all. I can live with it.

[B]

Can I tell you, you remind me of a few people and I don't know who they are yet, but they're gonna Come to me. And I was like, I always get really nervous when I do a podcast. Like, I get nervous. Like, no, my own. Like anytime someone comes, like, I have, like, I. My whole body is like kind of

[C]

trembling in person's crazy. I do mine on zoom.

[B]

I do it in person. I get very nervous. And I was like, you were going to be my guinea pig of feeling relaxed because I knew the energy was going to be so good. And I'm so glad I. I have all these notes and I feel like we're just going to talk about whatever we want to talk about.

[C]

Isn't energy everything?

[B]

Well, first of all, people get mad at me, but I don't care. You're triple Aquarius. You told me off camera. Yeah, my daughter's an Aquarius, My son is an Aquarius. You're triple Aquarius. You don't come off as an Aquarius to me. You're very outgoing.

[C]

It's interesting. But then there are so many things about me. I'm also very cold and standoffish and I will turn on you in a dime. No, but not in a vindictive, malicious way. But like one minute people are like, we're best friends. It's working, it's going. And I will wake up one day and just be like, I'm done. Not with you, though.

[B]

Not. Do you feel good about me?

[C]

I do feel good about you.

[B]

Think you were going to like me?

[C]

Yeah, of course. I wouldn't be here if I didn't think I would like you. You. I wrote you. I was like, whatever. You're this. Because of course I've known who you are for a long time.

[B]

Vice versa. I mean, hello.

[C]

But I didn't know you. And then I just started seeing you on social and you just. I'll tell you what I loved. I loved you went on something. You, you're very self deprecating. You don't. It's like how I am. Like, we have self awareness.

[B]

Right? Good.

[C]

And I don't have a lot of patience for people that don't have self awareness. Like, I'm the first person to be like, stop calling me a celebrity. I'm not a celebrity. Like, I'm D list. You know what I mean?

[B]

You're definitely not D list.

[C]

But I just have this.

[B]

You're aware of who you are and your place in the world, right? Is that a good way to put it?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I probably have really low self esteem too, but I just feel like we're not trying to be anyone. We're not. We're not delusional people.

[A]

We're self.

[C]

We're self aware. So I. I feel like that's. That's what I liked about you.

[B]

Thank you. I appreciate it. And I think going back to energy, it is very tricky because I think in a world with going back to your point, like, views. Discoverability, like, people just want to be the best and the most relevant more now than I think ever before.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Well, I think because it's tangible for people right now, which is a beautiful thing, but it's also, like, delusional because. A little delusional. I'm like, my. My dentist wants to, like, have a podcast. And. And like, is this Dr. Apa? No, but I have an appointment with Dr. Apa.

[B]

I know, because can I tell you. So I've been talking about you, so now my phone's picking up on it and it's getting creepy. So now I saw you on all these other podcasts and I'm like, I don't want to. I'm the opposite of research. I don't want to go in having anything, like, known about you. I want to come in and just, like, ask you maybe some of the same questions you've been asked, but, like, at least get something different. So I saw the thing about teeth. Aaron said, you're obsessed with teeth. Are you obsessed with teeth? You have great teeth.

[C]

I said, Dr. App is like the Jacob Elordi of teeth.

[B]

She didn't get it.

[C]

She did not get it.

[B]

I was with her and then I was like, no, I'm gonna ride with Sarah on this. But it was a little.

[C]

Yeah, she didn't get it. No, I have. I have Jacob. I have good teeth. But I look, I get. We're so desensitized now because I see people out in the world all the time, and it doesn't occur to me, oh, they probably have veneers, which. No shade.

[B]

Like, I have full veneers on top.

[C]

Yeah, they're so good.

[B]

Full.

[C]

They're beautiful.

[B]

The bottom are all mine. But to be honest, I just. I don't even know. Yeah, I just needed to.

[C]

No, I needed to.

[B]

We.

[A]

We're.

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We're.

[C]

We're desensitized. We see people out in the world. Everyone looks great, and a lot of it is bought, which is totally fine. But then I start going, well, wait, I need fake teeth too. Do I need hair extensions?

[B]

Like, is this all your hair?

[C]

Well, I have two. I. This is my hair minus two clips.

[B]

Your hair looks great. And your face. Look, I mean, you. I Said this to you? You look. All joking Aside, you look 28 years old.

[C]

You're such a liar. I can't.

[B]

Does she not you guys.

[C]

No, no, no.

[B]

You literally.

[C]

I mean, I knew you were hot.

[B]

You're like an effortless hot.

[C]

And I.

[B]

But I will say something else. Now that I'm looking at you, you look more like air. You guys look more alike than I realized.

[C]

Yeah, well, in here, it's funny, because people who really know us think that we do not look alike. But then people who don't know us see us out in the world, and they'll go up to her and they'll be like, hey, thinking it's me. And she will not have a clue who they are. So she'll be. She's like a bitch to them.

[B]

I love.

[C]

And then that person will go out in the world, be like, you know. You know who's a real bitch? Sarah Foster. I saw her. I said hi to her at Blah Blah, Blah. She didn't even give me the time of day. And it's Erin.

[B]

I. Can I tell you, I. I want to get some more time with Aaron because I think it would be one of my goals to make her like me because she's a hard get.

[C]

I don't think she likes me.

[B]

That's okay. But that's fine. She has to like you a little bit.

[C]

She's. She's really. She's tough.

[B]

She's younger than you are, a year

[C]

and a half, so we're like Irish twins.

[B]

You're. Oh, I have Irish twins. I didn't know you guys were that close.

[C]

Year and a half, yeah.

[B]

You grew up in la?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Where did you go to high school?

[C]

Crossroads.

[B]

You went to Crossroads?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Did Erin go to Crossroads?

[C]

No, she went to Malibu Public School.

[B]

Oh, you're okay. You're like, I'm better than her.

[C]

I went to Crossroads. I was like, I'm not going to Malibu. I'm not going to Malibu High. I was like, I didn't drink. I didn't do drugs. You didn't party? No, never.

[B]

Oh, okay. Good.

[C]

Healthy. I clubbed, obviously. Had a fake ID of 15, was in the club, out late dancing, doing all the things, but was never drinking.

[B]

Where were you going? To the club Dragonfly. I remember it well.

[C]

No, you don't.

[B]

Oh, my God. Dragonfly. I was. I think I was, like, 14.

[C]

Did you ever get into the Sky Bar? Yeah, I remember that. Like, I remember, like, it was yesterday, the first time I actually where, you know, they opened the rope or whatever when I walked up, I was like, oh, I've made it.

[B]

You've made it. By the way, I'm now like, just want to talk about la, but you have so many accomplishments we have to get into.

[C]

Not that many.

[B]

You have a lot. I feel like I was like, what are we gonna talk about today? Well, first of all, my first question and my producer and I were like, are we gonna ask her this? I get into people's morning routine and she's like, I think Sarah is really into that. Are you a healthy girl?

[C]

I am a healthy girl and I wish I was a healthier girl early earlier.

[B]

Okay, how healthy are we talking and what do you mean?

[C]

I mean, I just. There are so many hacks that you can do. There are so many things that you can do. Like, let's start super simple.

[A]

Okay?

[C]

When you wake up in the morning, don't go straight for your coffee. When you wake up in the morning, you need to flush out your system. Water, water, lemon and salt. High quality salt, like sea salt, not iodine. Just Google the good salt. That is how you. Because you want to hydrate before you dehydrate with your coffee. Another thing, a kiwi. Every morning, a freaking kiwi. Let me tell you something. You are always going to be regular. And let me just be clear. I'm not an expert. I don't have a wellness. I don't have a nutritionist license. You know, I think a lot of people like to deem themselves this source.

[B]

I'm not.

[C]

I've just done my own research online. Fact check me, always. I'll just tell you what's working for me. Okay.

[B]

And wait, how long have you been doing this?

[C]

I've been two years. So I started late. I mean, I started, you know, late.

[B]

But you've always like, you've always maintained like you've looked great.

[C]

I've always prioritized sleep. Like I am the person where this. I'm such a. I don't know if this makes me type A or what this makes me, but if I know I have to be in a situation where I won't get a full 8 hours, like I will cancel a dinner with friends.

[B]

100% the same.

[C]

Only thing I won't cancel is a birthday. Because I think you show up for birthdays.

[B]

You sh. You know what that is?

[C]

Are we the same person?

[B]

That is. That says you were very well raised.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Because showing. Showing up for a birthday is very important. With a gift, with a card, you stay till fucking cake is served and then you leave. If you are not able to fulfill that obligation.

[C]

You don't go 100%. Because I have been the person. I get my feelings really hurt if someone doesn't call me, text me, or show up on my birthday. It's kind of like, okay, noted. And it's hard to recover.

[A]

I am

[B]

like, I actually go year by year, like, energy wise. Like, this year was not as good energy wise as last year. And this year I told some of my friends, like, don't post any old photos. Cause I don't wanna have to repost your stories. But then no one did. And I was like, are you out of your mind? Like, you need to be posting photos of me from back in the day.

[C]

I was just gonna say I sort of feel relieved that in my friend group, in my world, we don't do birthday posts anymore.

[B]

Yes. Okay.

[C]

Because. And it was. It's just sort of like some unsaid thing. Too many hurt. And I think you can say, guys, you're like 100 years old. Like, get over it. But no, it actually does mean something. When your friend is posting this glorious montage for one friend and then not

[B]

yet for the other.

[C]

I'm kind of like, well, say no more. Well, what if I know where we stand?

[B]

And also. But I do feel like the Aquarius, like, Aquariuses are cutthroat. Like, they do. They like my daughter. I see it now. She likes who she likes and doesn't like who she doesn't like. And she's five years old.

[C]

I hold a grudge.

[B]

And she won't. You hold it.

[C]

I hold it.

[B]

So, like, if somebody apologizes to you, will you give in?

[C]

Or, like, it's really hard for me to recover. Okay. So I can recover it with my sister. That is built in blood. That is blood. She and I.

[B]

Well, you have two sisters. To be clear.

[C]

I have two sisters.

[B]

Jordan is the oldest.

[C]

Jordan is the youngest.

[B]

The youngest.

[C]

The youngest.

[B]

Good. I researched.

[D]

Good.

[C]

She lives in New York. She's a stylist. She's.

[B]

Jordan's cool.

[C]

Yeah, she's so cool.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Yep. And she is the style director at Favorite daughter.

[B]

Yes, I knew that. Yeah, I knew that.

[C]

So her and I have a much more. Because we work together less. But Aaron and I work together in every single thing that we do. So we will, like, almost go to blows, truly. And then we recover because she's the aunt to my kids. My kids are obsessed with her. I'm obsessed with her daughter. Like, she's my sister. But if you. If you are just a friend or in anything else. It's really hard for me to recover once you've.

[B]

Have you had bad falling outs with friends?

[C]

You know, I feel like you're a

[B]

girl's girl and you have lots of friends. I feel like there's lots of friends around.

[C]

There are. I'm a girl's girl. I always say, like, I think I could have a birthday party with 200 people, but I don't. That's very different than like close friends who really know what I'm going through. But also, don't you feel like I

[B]

don't have a lot of those with your sister? It's kind of built in that you don't really need to expand beyond that.

[C]

No, because she judges me.

[B]

Does she judge you?

[C]

I don't tell her everything.

[B]

Do you see, I can't tell if that's a bit or if she really. I don't. She. Okay. I don't think she seems judgmental.

[C]

She is. She's the best. She's like, first of all, she's like the most talented. She is like the Nora Ephron of our generation. Her voice, her writing is something that just nobody else has right now. It just doesn't. I can never take that away from her. Erin is somebody who has such integrity and moral ethics. She's like the ethics police and all the things that we do. She stands by. She lives by her word. She really does. And it's so annoying sometimes because I'm like, honey, let's take the money, you know?

[B]

She's like, let's take the fucking money.

[C]

But I can't because I haven't researched where the quality of the blah, blah, blah. I'm like, girl, like, we could be dead in a week. We could be dead in a week. But no, it's good. It's good in a partnership to have. I mean, I have morals too, but hers are just really rigid. Rigid.

[B]

Yeah. I'm kind of the same way. I'm like, well, we should take them. Yeah, well, it's just with myself, but it's. Sometimes you got to just take the money.

[C]

Sometimes within reason, I think. I think more like Aaron and I were. We were early investors in this company called the Mirror. Okay. It was a workout mirror. Did you know about this?

[B]

Of course. My mother in law has like nine.

[C]

Okay, great. So when it was acquired by a Lululemon, it was really loud. It was all the things. We got offered a deal with Tonal a lot for a lot of money and.

[B]

Oh man, is this going to hurt?

[C]

Well, no, because Ultimately, I think it pays off. And because we didn't take it, because we were like, if we go do this, we will lose. All the people that are gonna ride with us as we go into the different ventures in our lives are gonna be like, those bitches are full. You can swear on this, right?

[B]

You can say whatever the fuck you want.

[C]

Okay, okay, okay. Those girls are fucking liars and brutal. Because one minute they're telling us to buy the mirror and the next minute they're like, don't buy that. Actually buy tonal. Which is essentially the same thing.

[B]

Going back to being self aware.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

You grew up here.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You went to Crossroads? Did you graduate and then go straight into acting?

[C]

No. So I. You know, contrary to how people. I think, perceive us, I think people think my dad is, like, a billionaire. I don't know what they think.

[B]

People. It takes very little for people to think you're mega rich.

[C]

You know, it's crazy. It's. I want to be like, guys, my dad is very successful.

[B]

Let me be clear.

[C]

But my dad has had many wives. He has many children.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And we don't have a trust fund.

[B]

Right.

[C]

So I always say we. If shit ever hit the fan. Yes. It is absolute privilege to know that you have a safety net which would never put you on the streets. I'll never be on the streets. You know what I mean? That is privilege. 100% knowing you have that. But we don't have a trust fund.

[B]

Right. It's not.

[C]

Have. If I go do. My life is paid for by me. So I think that people have this misconception that we have some unlimited cash flow situation and that, trust me, if I. I wouldn't be doing half the things I do. I think if I had unlimited.

[B]

No, you would.

[C]

Resources. No, I probably would.

[B]

No, you would. That's in you.

[C]

But wait, what was the question? Oh, crossroads. Okay. So, yeah, so our dad had always said.

[B]

I didn't even remember, by the way. I was like, what was the fucking question?

[C]

I remember he raised us always saying, I am rich, you are poor. If you see this lifestyle that I am living, that's great. You're gonna have to go get it for yourself.

[B]

Ooh. Amen.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So he made it very clear. He said, once high school comes, you know, once you're done, you have two options. You can go to college.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

I will pay for your college. I'll pay for your dorm, and you'll get X amount of dollars a month to, you know, buy your groceries. If you do not go to college, you are on your own.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

So I was faced with this thing of, like, I had an older boyfriend. I was 17. He was, like, 21. I was like, I can't leave my boyfriend because he will cheat on me. He had already cheated on me so many times. I actually found a list in his kitchen once that said, girls I have cheated on Sarah with.

[B]

And they were like, oh, my God. Hand to go.

[C]

Hand to God. Because he was sober, so it was, like, part of, like, making amends and all these things. He wrote the list, and I stayed with him. Obviously, he was very Cute, by the way.

[B]

You also. That's, like, your book title or something. I don't know. That needs to be used for something, you guys.

[C]

There were 35 people on the list, including his stepmom. His stepmom was on the list? Hand to God. Yeah. Yeah. And there was like, maybe, like, a few guys in the mix. I don't know. I was like, you're. I don't even know.

[B]

But you were like, I gotta stay for this, man.

[C]

Yeah, I was, like, riding for him. But I love him.

[B]

But I love Daddy.

[C]

I love him. I love him. So I was faced with these. I was like, I don't. College is not for me. I was like, I need to make money.

[B]

Okay, so you knew early Maddie knew who she was, right?

[C]

I knew who she was. I was like, I gotta make money. I want a nice life. Like, I want a nice life. I wanna do these things. What am I gonna do? I can't go to college. The boyfriend, the this. So I. I moved to Paris a week after I just took the leap. Of course, the boyfriend was like, you should go. I was like, yeah, so you can fuck your stepmom.

[B]

Mommy.

[C]

You know, it's funny. I did not. I swear to God, I did not grow up feeling like.

[B]

Where'd you grow up in Santa Monica?

[C]

Malibu.

[B]

Malibu. Okay. Got it.

[C]

I swear to God, I did not grow up feeling like, I wanna be famous. I wanna be an actress. I swear to God, I really didn't. I was like, I'm gonna be a lawyer. I really. I mean, I didn't take the steps to do that, but it just didn't. And I have to, like, Kate Hudson was my best friend. You know what I mean? So she's getting movie roles, and I'm still not going, like, oh, that's a life I want. It was not this thing that I manifested.

[B]

So you and Kate met in high school.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And your parents and were together until. How old were you?

[C]

Five. Oh, okay, go.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

No, no. I never experienced.

[B]

Never experienced them together.

[C]

That I remember. But so I had an opportunity. This modeling agency was like, we will. We will put you up in Paris. Like in, you know, shitty model apartment situation. I was like, okay. And I was like, and how does that work? Like, I get there. Like, well, you have to build your book so you'll get here. And I'm thinking, oh, well, you know, build my book. It'll take a couple of days, and then I'm gonna be on, like, a cover of something.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I didn't Know. I didn't know. It was just like, you know, I'm cute, I'm tall.

[B]

It'll all.

[C]

It'll be fine. I get to Paris, oh my God,

[B]

ass handed to you. You were like, what's going on?

[C]

Paris very quickly was like, this is not a place for you. I was so. I'm. I'm like just under 5 9, depending on how.

[B]

Oh, no, I don't wanna hear it.

[C]

No, no, really, what my posture is. If you in the late 90s were even a hair under 5 9, you were roadkill.

[B]

Shut the fuck up.

[C]

Yeah, they were kind of like, you told us you were five' nine. I was like, well, I don't know, maybe I was standing taller that day.

[B]

Okay, so how long were you in Paris?

[C]

Okay, so I was in Paris for a couple months and I got a couple gigs, but not really money. And I was like, I cannot crawl back with not even one cover. Cover. I mean. Oh, wait, no, I actually did get a cover.

[B]

Oh, okay. I was like, definitely something.

[C]

I got the COVID of Madame Figaro. I'll never forget it. It was like one of my only things. Okay, I know someone must have been sick. I called in sick because it was a last minute situation. But so then I was like, oh, this is gonna be the thing. It never happened for me. It just never ever happened for me. I go back to LA and I do start working in la. Like I do get modeling. Yeah. Like, I got a Tommy Hilfiger thing.

[B]

Crazy.

[C]

But every little thing, I was like, oh, this is gonna be the thing that kind of like makes me a thing.

[B]

Catapults you.

[C]

And then nothing happened. And then I got a Backstreet Boys video and I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna be Alicia Silverstone. I was like, there we go. Like, it's gonna totally happen now.

[B]

Nothing.

[C]

Nothing.

[B]

Backstreet Boy video. And then that was it.

[C]

Well, they put me in a turtleneck.

[B]

That is so fucking. Are they fucking crazy? Was that the snow video? Like, what video we talking about?

[C]

It was Shape of My Heart.

[B]

You were in Shape of My Heart?

[C]

I was the girl. That's major. I thought so too, but apparently it wasn't.

[B]

Okay, so wait, after that then, did you. Were you like, I'm gonna be an actress.

[C]

So after that, by the way, I

[B]

had no intention of going this far back, but I'm obsessed.

[C]

Is this boring to the audience, you think?

[B]

No, because everyone. We're gonna get all to the fancy stuff. But like, this is. People wanna know who people are.

[C]

No, no, for sure, for sure. So after that. Okay, so after that, then I got. I heard that MTV was looking for a V, a new vj, and you have to understand your audience. That was the biggest thing.

[B]

That was like being a huge TikTok.

[C]

Oh, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To be on trl, to be at all in the MTV universe was a huge deal. So I was like, all right, I'm an audition for this. And I auditioned like five times. Okay, okay, I got it. But there's a caveat. Why is it a But there's a caveat.

[B]

I'm on this journey with you. I'm so upset.

[C]

I know. Okay, so it was not. I'm thinking, I'm gonna be in Times Square interviewing Destiny's Child. They go, you are the host of ET on mtv. Entertainment Tonight on mtv.

[A]

Wait, what?

[B]

No.

[C]

And I go, what? But wait, I. Okay, no disrespect. I mean, TV is TV and it's a paying gig. But I was like, okay, that's different.

[B]

What is. What is that even.

[C]

It was sort of music news. So I would be like, reporting music news, but, like, in a teleprompter in a studio. Oh, no, listen again. I'm like, okay, well, I'm about to be Daisy Fuentes. I don't know. Something is gonna happen.

[B]

Everyone's like, who's Daisy Fuentes? Does anyone. Do people know who that. No one knows who Daisy Fuente. I mean, icon. Thank you, Brendan. Thank you.

[C]

Okay, who's someone that. I don't know who the equivalent of that would be today.

[B]

I don't think we have one.

[C]

I don't think we have one. I don't know. But I was like, I feel like every moment was sort of like, it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. But I actually didn't even know. I think for me, it wasn't like, it's gonna happen didn't mean fame. It's gonna happen meant success, stability, and security. It meant being like, I got this. I pay my bills. I can get myself a nice apartment. I don't have to ask for help. I think that's sort of what it meant to me, because also then in the late 90s, early 2000s, there was no tiers of people. It was like, you were a list. And in Us Weekly or we didn't know who you were 100%, that that was it. There was no, like, mid tier people. Like, we didn't know. You only knew who someone was if you were a fan, if you saw them in a movie, a TV show, heard them on the radio, or they

[B]

were dating someone famous, or they were dating someone famous.

[C]

And then we would see them in magazines. Magazines which were. Magazines were the bible.

[B]

And also like checking out at the market, like you saw those tabloids, like, that's what it was.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I think in a lot of ways a better time. Like I was so young during that time, but she's still like the best time. Now you're kind of like, who's. There's so much. Of so much happening.

[C]

I remember I was dating this guy who was super famous and every. No, no, no, no, no. I really can't say. I really won't say. I'll tell you, but. And every Wednesday I would go to the fucking thing, going like, I know this is gonna be the week where I see that he's with someone, like doing something with someone else. Like that's how we would find our information. And then obviously driving by and stalking.

[B]

Yeah, of course. Good old fashioned stalking. That will never change.

[C]

Oh, the amount of Drive bys I used to do.

[B]

Trust me. Okay, so then let's talk about. So funny enough, because this. I told you this off camera, but this image of you before I even knew you seared into my brain. You coming out of the ocean with Adam Sandler.

[C]

I don't remember Owen Wilson.

[B]

Sorry, Owen Wilson. But was Adam Sandler in the movie?

[C]

No, but Owen Wilson.

[B]

What movie is this?

[C]

It was called the Big Bounce.

[B]

The Big Bounce. I don't remember anything. I have like flashes of things in my life.

[C]

No, because you love yellow.

[B]

I just remember that scene for some reason. And then like, I guess years later, I put it together that you were the girl. So how did you get into the Big Bounce? You were just auditioning.

[C]

Yeah. So from the MTV thing, somebody was like, there's this movie, you would be perfect for it. You should audition for it. And I was like, what? I don't even know how to act. What do you mean? That's okay, you know, and then I'm thinking like, well, Cameron Diaz didn't know how to act. She just got discovered in McDonald's.

[B]

Literally just looking like that.

[C]

Just like looking like that. I was like, okay, I'll audition. So I audition. And then I got a callback. And then I kept auditioning. Do you understand that I got this role over Scarlett Johansson.

[B]

Shut the fuck up.

[C]

Like, how dumb were those producers?

[B]

Clearly not, because I remember the scene very well.

[C]

No, clearly dumb, because the movie made like $45. And I think that was all from like my family who Went to the movies to see was a total bomb. So that was another situation where I was like, oh, I'm gonna be Cameron Diaz. Here we go.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Bomb movie. When I tell you it was the biggest. I don't know if there's ever been more of a bomb.

[B]

So wait, at the box office. So you do that and then how do you meet? And we can obviously cut everything out because I'm just like, following along. You have a 15 year old daughter.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

You have a 15 year old daughter. That's crazy. And you have a younger daughter. How old is she?

[C]

10. 10 and 15. 10. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. And then you met their father when

[C]

I met him in 2000. Well, I met him in 2004 in New York. And I saw him, and he was playing in the US Open, and I saw him at Nobu next door. And I was like, that is the best looking guy I've ever seen in my entire life. I'd seen him on TV that day playing. He was eating with a friend, walked over. Blah, blah, blah. Long story.

[B]

Just walked over.

[C]

Like, he was eating with a friend of mine. Oh, mutual friend.

[B]

Oh, so meant to be.

[C]

Walks over, of course. So cute. We hit it off. I leave Nobu in New York and I go to Bungalow 8. Obviously another guy.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Started dating that guy for two years the night I met the father of my kids. So then two years later.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love the. I know. These stories are good.

[C]

Two years later. So we. So we had been emailing me and Tommy and I. But I was like, now dating this other guy. So that fizzled. And then two years later, I'm in Hawaii with Kate and she goes, isn't that the guy you were texting or emailing two years ago? He was playing in the Australian Open. Okay.

[B]

I thought he was on the beach. I'm like, what if that's happening on tv?

[C]

Playing in the Australian Open? And I go, yeah, he's so cute. And she was like, you should write him. And I said, absolutely not. Like, I'm not a desperate loser. I'm not gonna write him. And I ghosted him two years ago. What am I supposed to do? I don't even think I have his email anymore. She takes my phone. She goes, you sure do.

[B]

You sure do.

[C]

And she emails him the dumbest email.

[B]

What was it? Do you remember?

[C]

Hey, Tommy, this is so crazy, but I'm sitting here in Hawaii and you're on tv. I go, it's NBC, like the quarterfinals. It's not that crazy. It's not that Odd. This is the worst email. He responds right away. And that was it.

[B]

That was it, yeah. Okay, then how soon after did you. How long were you together before you had kids?

[C]

7.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Oh, we were together 5. 4. 4 years. 4 years before we had Valentina? Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you're married or you're not married?

[C]

No, no, we never got married.

[B]

You never got married, but you're together. You're not together anymore, but you live together?

[C]

Sort of, yeah. I mean, he's a Florida resident. He travels all the time for work. So he. When he's in la. Yes, we do.

[B]

Okay, so you're free to date other people. You are a single lady.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you dating?

[C]

No.

[B]

Do you want to date?

[C]

I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. It's just. I'm not. I love being alone.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It's actually a problem. I can see myself being that, like, old person where I'm, like, dead for days and no one knows.

[B]

God forbid. Oh, my God, guys, we can't let that happen. You'll be around, right? Like, someone will be there to make sure we at least locate. Okay.

[C]

Like, that would happen to me. Like, oh, God, she's been dead for 10 days and no one knew?

[D]

No.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

But it's dark. But it's true.

[B]

But the thing is, you're also kind of. You have a full house. Cause you have two kids.

[C]

Yeah, I have two kids. Teenage daughter always full house.

[B]

How is that. How is it raising a teenage daughter?

[C]

That caught it.

[B]

Is she. What? What's the vibe? Cause I was a cunt.

[C]

You know, it's so interesting. She is she the universe. God brought her to me as payback for how I was.

[B]

I think we're all gonna get that.

[C]

Like, Josie is an angel. Josie is a unicorn. The 10 year old, she is an angel. Valentina's an angel too, but she's not an angel to me. But she's an angel to everybody else. So that is.

[B]

She feels safest with you. Right. She gets to throw all the daggers at you, all the frustration she feels. Cause she knows you'll take it 100%.

[C]

Listen, mom is safe.

[B]

Mom is saf.

[C]

Mom is safe to try out all your behaviors on. Because mom is never going anywhere. Mom is always gonna be there. That's why mothers and daughters, it's so complicated. Because we take the brunt of all of their angst and all of their fears and anxiety, and it's all on us.

[B]

100%. Jesus Christ. Were you Close with your mom growing

[C]

up, you know, I was, but I was like a weird kid, kind of. I was very independent and Aquarius.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I made like a PowerPoint presentation when I was 13 on why I should be able to move out into an apartment.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I just didn't wanna be parented. I didn't wanna be parented. I wanted to be an adult. I'm sure I was, you know, escaping. We had very complicated family dynamics, as every family does, by the way. There's nothing unique about mine, but it was complicated. It was a complicated childhood.

[B]

Okay, got it. So you have 15 year old, 10 year old.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We don't know if you're getting married again.

[C]

I've never been married.

[B]

I know, but I'm saying like, yeah, a long term partner to me is like being married.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

I think you will.

[C]

You do?

[B]

Yeah. And I don't think that far away.

[C]

I feel like, yeah, why not?

[B]

I think you're going to get to a point where you're like, okay, I should share this life with somebody. Right.

[C]

I know. I always say, like one of my best girlfriends. I'm like, it's too bad we're not attracted to each other. We'd have a great life.

[B]

Are they, Are most of your friends married?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't have a lot of single friends.

[B]

Right. Well, I imagine because they all have kids probably around the same age.

[C]

Are your friends all married?

[B]

I guess, kind of. Yeah. Now, but then not. It's the. The friends that are not married do not have kids.

[C]

The friends that are not married.

[B]

I like that they don't have kids.

[C]

I like that women don't feel as rushed.

[B]

Nobody's rushing.

[C]

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[D]

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[B]

I love that you're getting out of your chair.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I just had to like move around, shake it off.

[C]

I had to just like get my body also.

[B]

Have you ever.

[C]

I mean, I know you do the

[B]

podcast with your sister, but it's a lot to lock in for a whole hour and talk about stuff. But you're easy to talk to.

[C]

That's why you're good at this.

[B]

I'm glad that you feel that way.

[C]

Yeah, I'm refreshing.

[D]

I.

[C]

People really like you. Do you feel that?

[B]

I feel I'm in a really weird headspace right now.

[C]

Really?

[B]

A part of me is like, not that I just signed this and I'm so excited, but like, part of me is like, is it time to just, like, give it up? Like, have you had your time and like, you're starting? I am. I. I feel like I've been doing this.

[C]

I feel like I'm just starting.

[B]

You have a useful energy.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So do you.

[B]

I do, but I just. I think I've gotten. I've become extremely insecure. Extremely. And I'm even like, well, am I good at that? Is that good enough? Should I be doing that? Should I just stay and be like a full time mom and be at my kid's school? Which, by the way, fun fact. Which I said sister in law. But it's your stepmom. Your stepmom and I are gonna be in the same kindergarten class.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, that's fine.

[B]

I saw her last week at the thing and I was like, famous person to famous person, kind of. Thank God you're here because.

[C]

Oh, no. She's so fantastic.

[B]

She's gorgeous.

[C]

She's so gorgeous. And I'm so obsessed with her. Even more than she told me.

[B]

She went to Nashville with you. You just opened a few favorite daughter store.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And she taught my 10 year old how to ride a bike.

[B]

She's. She gives that energy.

[C]

You guys, if you're not a parent listening to this, you don't get that this doesn't mean anything to you. But I am learning to ride a bike is really hard. It's really hard. And it's something. I've always had this insecurity that I don't know how to teach my kids how to ride a bike. I'm some kind of loser deadbeat parent.

[B]

Sarah was 14. I could not do it before 14.

[C]

Stop.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not a bit. That's not a joke. That's not like, oh, I'm so relatable. Could not. It was like borderline. Do we need to get her tested for life? It could not do it. Could not do it.

[C]

But were your parents trying to teach you a lot?

[B]

For many years. It was Very. I grew up on a hill, so it was like, that was challenging, but it. I remember one time I just went right down that hill, straight into the bushes. There was spikes and things everywhere. I grew up on a street called and.

[C]

Oh, wait, in la?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. That's right. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, where'd you go to high school?

[B]

The lyce.

[C]

Oh, she.

[B]

So the bike was very challenging. So I'm glad that you have somebody helping you with this.

[C]

No, I know, but it takes so much patience to teach someone to ride a bike. And the fact that she was like, Josie. We were in Nashville staying at the cutest hotel.

[B]

Wait, this just happened?

[C]

This just happened.

[B]

Holy fuck.

[C]

Josie's 10 and she's like a super athlete. Like, she will be a professional tennis player. She is the most athletic. She's obsessed. But she can't ride a bike. So I'll like wake up at two in the morning and I'll be like, I failed as a parent. She can't ride a bike. This is so embarrassing. What have I done? I'm so lazy. And so Katherine was like, we're not doing this anymore. Yeah, Josie, let's go right now. Let's go right now. And I go, we're like sitting at breakfast and I was like, what are you doing? She's like, I'm gonna teach her how to ride a bike. And of course in that moment, I'm like, all the shame is like dripping down my body. But then I'm also like, damn.

[B]

All right, fucking take it on.

[C]

She Learned in like 30 minutes.

[B]

No, she gives me.

[C]

Where is Catherine from here?

[B]

She grew up in the Valley.

[C]

She grew up in like Van Nuys.

[B]

Oh, she gives me like South Carolina. Yeah, she gives me down home.

[C]

Yeah. No, she's really fantastic.

[B]

From the Valley. She's like one of us.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, she's one of us.

[B]

Holy.

[C]

And she has. Her and my dad have a five year old and he's the cutest.

[B]

Can I. When I. When I spotted him in the crowd Amongst the other 5 year olds in the class, I was like, bro, let's not around. There's one shot at this.

[C]

Oh, they could date.

[B]

They could, by the way. They will. Like there's no other option. Like, this is already being set up and they'll go the whole way, but. And also going deeper into the weeds.

[C]

Wait, so then your daughter will be my aunt?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's cool. Tell her I'm not gonna do what she tells me to do.

[B]

You could just let her know right now. You Aquarius queens You can handle it together.

[C]

I tell my little brother all the time, I go, don't fuck with me.

[B]

That is hilarious. Wait, and then you're. It's funny because your dad.

[C]

No, no, your daughter will be my sister in law. Sorry, not my.

[D]

No.

[C]

Yes, she'll be my. If she marries my brother, she'll be my sister in law.

[B]

Oh, that's your brother. Oh, my God. That's your fucking brother, right? Your daughter, Willie, she is your stepmom. She birthed your half brother.

[C]

Yes. So your daughter is my sister in law.

[B]

I'm glad we planned this out because I'm not kidding. When I saw him at the event, I was like, all right, we got some. This is some potential here.

[C]

He's going places.

[B]

I got the vibe. I was like, ro, get in the fucking game right now.

[C]

Oh, yeah, everyone wants to be his friend. Yeah, you gotta get in there now.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

That's the play date set.

[B]

Oh, I'm already on it.

[C]

I told her, he's got the nice house. You know, you guys can have these pool parties.

[B]

Because also your dad and my husband text.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Which is the weirdest thing. But because my dad's really good friends

[C]

with your father in law.

[B]

That's like his. I've known about this. So Jordan and I dated in two phases. I knew about your dad from the beginning. They were best, best, best, best friends. Like going to the Hollywood Bowl. Can I tell you the weirdest story, by the way?

[C]

Your father in law did a cameo on my show, Barely Famous.

[B]

Did he really?

[C]

Did you ever see Barely Famous, by the way?

[B]

I haven't. And I'm like, that was before its time. Oh, that was before it's time. That was like the comeback. I basically wanted to do a version of that and it didn't work, but.

[C]

Cause it's really hard, the amount of people that are like, we're gonna do a barely famous. I go, oh, good luck. Good luck to you.

[B]

How brilliant was that show?

[C]

Look, it's so hard because obviously Aaron and I like wrote it and starred in it. So I want to be like, no, stop it.

[B]

But it was fucking brilliant. Why am I getting some flashback of you in a gas station?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that right?

[C]

Yeah, because the whole thing, it was like our social commentary on people's desperation to be. Be famous and relevant.

[B]

And it was scripted, full scripted. Thank you for. I'm gonna. Where can I watch that?

[C]

Amazon, I think you. I think you can buy it for like 10 cents on Amazon.

[B]

I'm gonna literally write it down.

[C]

No, Your father in law was in it and he was incredible. That is incredible.

[B]

Okay. Your father gave my parents tickets to the Hollywood bowl to see. It was him, but it was with someone else.

[C]

Like Michael Buble or something.

[B]

No, no, no, no. We're talking. It was like huge.

[C]

It was Josh Groban.

[B]

Couldn't tell you.

[C]

Like Frank Sinatra. I want to say, like, what he really wasn't good teeth. I need. Who did your teeth? I need them.

[B]

Doctor.

[C]

They really are gorgeous.

[B]

Aren't they gorgeous? Let me tell you something. So he had to shake. So I only had a few veneers. And then I did the front two because he's like, they don't match. You have to redo them. So I did them twice. He was putting them in. This is on. I had like hypothyroidism post my kid. So my physical anxiety was like this. I was literally. He put them in and I had like a freak out and they all fell and he almost was like, don't ever come back. I just saw him just drain. But he is the best fucking dentist. He should give me a discount because my mom did her teeth with him.

[C]

I'm about to too.

[B]

I'm telling.

[C]

First of all, why is it so expensive?

[B]

But I'm telling you, you do not need fake teeth.

[C]

Here's what I want. I'm a black coffee drinker. I drink my coffee black.

[B]

Is that healthy? I also.

[C]

No, I put so much sugar in it. Don't worry, I'm disgusting. Why don't you just do half and half? I bet I put 900 pounds of sugar in it.

[B]

Like Splenda.

[C]

Absolutely not. Don't you ever use Splendor?

[B]

No, I would never. But what kind of sugar?

[C]

Like cane sugar. Okay, got it. Like literal cane sugar sugar.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Also, I take liquid vitamins and they have a tint to it, which is like, guys, if you're making liquid vitamins, stop putting coloring in the thing. It stains your teeth.

[B]

Wait, I have so many. I don't want you to leave. What are you taking? Can you tell us? Kiwi. First of all, I just bought kiwis twice this week, so I'm on the kiwi trend. I definitely have blueberries before I have coffee, but now I'm getting up, I'm drinking a full water with electrolytes. Do you like electrolytes?

[C]

I do, but I make my own electrolyte.

[B]

It's just salt. It's the salt.

[C]

I just do lemon and salt.

[B]

So I shouldn't do like the additive ones? Yeah, obviously those are Bad for you?

[C]

No, they're good. I mean, that element stuff is good. Like, I'll use that. I drink that a lot. But I start my morning with like a super clean flush.

[B]

What is your lunch?

[C]

You know, I'm not like a big. Okay, so when I'm downtown of the Favorite Daughter offices, there's.

[B]

Where is that?

[C]

It's downtown la. There is a gourmet market down there called Hanks.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

It makes Air1 present as like an Albertsons. Okay.

[B]

By the way. Whoa. Deep cut.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

I haven't heard of an Albertsons in.

[C]

Okay, Ralph's.

[B]

Ralph's.

[C]

No Ralph's name, but Albertsons.

[B]

When was the last time there was an Albertsons around?

[C]

I don't know. Like, Publix. Like, Hanks is so much more superior than any grocery store I've ever, ever been to.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I mean, listen. No, you know, listen. Erewhon. The prices are so offensive. I'm so offended personally by the prices. Astronomical. So you can drive on down to Hanks, which is where I walk there. And every day they have a buffet of the best brisket, chicken fajitas, cilantro rice, hunk of chicken shit. So if I'm downtown at the offices, that's what I'm having. I'll do like. And it's so exciting. I look forward to it.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

I don't eat breakfast.

[B]

If I don't eat breakfast, I want to die.

[C]

Yeah. No, I cannot. If I have to, it would be avocado toast, but I don't. I have no appetite. I don't eat eggs. I quit. Eggs.

[B]

Eggs are bad for you.

[C]

So tell me about eggs. Okay. I used to get chronic strep throats my whole life. I would get strep throat all the time. Like, I would have upper respiratory problems.

[B]

Jesus Christ.

[C]

All the time. And I couldn't figure out, like, what's going on. Like, I'm a healthy person. I don't smoke. Even though I did smoke, you know, a lot then.

[D]

Yeah, a lot then.

[A]

Fabulous.

[C]

God, I love. I love a cigarette. An American spirit cigarette.

[B]

If I have that, that means you're really cool.

[C]

It's my therapy.

[B]

But if I have two cigarettes, the next day.

[C]

No, done.

[B]

One drink, two cigarettes. Done. I'm gone.

[C]

No, also one cigarette. And I have new wrinkles. No, I.

[B]

You have no wrinkles? Are you Botoxing?

[C]

Oh, yeah. But I only do it three times a year.

[D]

Oh.

[C]

And I go to an eye doctor to do it.

[B]

Is it lasting then? Because mine's not lasting. No.

[C]

But, like, look at My forehead? No. Like, I have, like, crazy.

[B]

You have no resting lines, and you have no 11s, and your skin's amazing. Are you feeling under your eyes?

[C]

No.

[B]

Okay, but how. You're not hollow.

[C]

I've asked about it. I can't. And I'll tell you why.

[B]

Here's.

[C]

Here's the thing. When it comes to beauty stuff, we cannot look at what other people do and then go. I want to do that because our anatomy does not allow itself. So I have a very low brow. I was told at 25 by my dermatologist, you're going to need a brow lift one day. And I go, I've never been so offended in my life. Your brows are not low, girl.

[B]

They're not low.

[D]

Stop.

[C]

I go on Chachi Beatty, and I literally say, what? I'll show you what. Show me. Me with a brow lift. Like, I. I obsess over it because you have to be careful. If the wrong Botox comes near me, it will bring everything down. You have to be. I can't go to some mini mall and give Botox. It will ruin. It's a very. My forehead's very complicated.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I have a very complicated form.

[B]

Are you doing any fillers in the cheeks?

[C]

So the thing I do. No, nothing in the cheeks. But I'll tell you what I do, which I swear by. Nope. I do Sculptra in my temples.

[B]

Yeah, everyone's doing it.

[C]

Sculptra in my temples.

[B]

Does that hurt?

[C]

Like a motherboard. Don't dare put Sculptra here. Okay, I've put it.

[B]

I've done sculpting with Diane before.

[C]

He did a little under my nose. Like, right here. I need a glass.

[B]

Wait.

[C]

I think Sculptra. And I know doctors say it's bad, but it's been good for me. I'm 45. Like, I've never done threads. I've never done any kind of surgery. Like, I mean, my boobs. Yes. But, like, I don't.

[B]

Have you redone them?

[C]

No.

[B]

How long have you had them?

[C]

I got them in 2014.

[B]

And no problems?

[C]

No, but I. It's bad, right? You gotta do. Redo em. I gotta redo Em. I think you were feeling okay. I don't think you need to. But you know what's unbelievable? And this is a cautionary tale. I have, like, no feeling in my nipples. So, guys, if you're doing this, if you're thinking about it, do not go through the nipple, through the armpit, wherever. You gotta go through the asshole. Like, literally go anywhere. I need my nipples back, okay? So if you're listening and can give me my nipples back, I'll pay.

[B]

Seriously. I think you need to focus on your nipples more than your teeth. Nipples are more important than teeth. Your teeth are great. Your face is great. Let me tell you what my parents used to say to me. They were lying, but I'm not lying to you. Looks are not your problem. That anything having to do with your

[C]

is really interesting, though. It's like it.

[B]

How did you feel about turning 40? Was that tough? I'm taking my jacket off.

[C]

You know what the hardest year for me was? 39.

[B]

Let's talk about it.

[C]

39. Tell me why I had a fucking panic attack.

[B]

Really? Because how old was your daughter then?

[C]

I'm not good at math.

[B]

I know. I'm not either, so I don't know why I asked. It was kind of rude.

[C]

I still count on my fingers.

[B]

You were 29 when you had her? Yeah, she was 10.

[C]

She was 10, okay. Yeah. The older one was 10, the younger one was 5.

[B]

Great, thank you.

[C]

Thank you, thank you. Okay, Stephen Hawking over here.

[B]

Literally, just like that. Basic ass math.

[C]

There was something about 39, which was like, you have one more year. This is it. You've got one more year. Like, why are you not happy? Why do you not have all the things you want? Why don't you wake up every day feeling fulfilled? It was like this. This 30 was kind of gnarly too, I think, also because I had like a baby and I felt like a loser and I just didn't. I felt like I was just nobody. And I felt like 30 was crazy. But I had this relationship to give me purpose. I had, like, a partner.

[B]

Were you working still then?

[C]

You know, I was doing, like, movies here. I was on, you know, the show. Remember the show? The reboot of 90210?

[D]

Of course.

[C]

So I was a regular on that show. I was on that for five seasons.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And so that gave me purpose, obviously, but I wasn't like the lead. So all the young people kind of got all the attention.

[B]

First of all, you were still very young.

[C]

Yeah, I was like 28.

[B]

That's very.

[C]

I was on it from 20. I was on it from 27 to 30.

[B]

That's a long time, and that's still very young. Don't you feel like every year you get younger now you realize if I

[C]

meet now a 30 year old, I'm like, where's your diaper?

[B]

Where is your diaper?

[C]

Are you still breastfeeding even 35, right?

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[C]

I just wish my most beautiful, like, I felt my prettiest at 38. 38 is the prettiest year.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah, is my prettiest year.

[B]

I think that, like, in the last two years, I'm like, am I starting to really, like, age? Because I had. I had great pregnancies, but I had so much happen that I was so stressed for so long that I was like, I think it's starting to, like, take shape.

[C]

I think that we're in an interesting. I think of in the next five years. Like, there's gonna be a lot of shit that we can take.

[B]

Do you drink?

[C]

No.

[B]

You don't drink alcohol?

[C]

No, I don't drink alcohol. I'm not sober, but it doesn't. I don't sit down and order a drink.

[B]

If you go to dinner with your girlfriends, are you having a glass of wine? No, absolutely not.

[C]

No.

[B]

It's not worth it.

[C]

It's just, I. My days. I treasure my days in a way that I never have because I did spend so many years with empty days where I used to be, like, I wish, like, I had things to do.

[B]

You remind me of Khloe Kardashian a little bit.

[C]

I love Khloe Kardashian.

[B]

Have you ever gotten that?

[C]

I love Chloe so much. No, but I'm obsessed with Chloe. I just was saying this. Chloe is such a catch. She's such a catch. I would never want to compete for a guy with Chloe because she's gonna win every time.

[B]

But you. You remind me of three people. I don't know who those people are, but one of them is Chloe.

[C]

Who are the other people?

[B]

There's like. There's a sparkliness to you and an ease that I'm like, I know Pete. I just don't know who they are. I don't think they're famous. I think I know them.

[D]

Just friends.

[C]

That's nice.

[B]

Something. But I. I have to talk about your accomplishments now because I feel like we're talking about everything. We've gone in a million different loops. I want to talk about favorite daughter. Okay, 2021, you start. How the does this happen?

[C]

Like, really, how does this happen? So weird how it happened. It was like, do a phone check.

[B]

Do you need it? No, I love a phone check.

[A]

I love it.

[C]

I was just like, have I been talking aimlessly? Because I just want you to know I could talk to you for a really long time. No, no, no.

[B]

I feel very. And by the way, I am a very anxious person and a very I

[C]

think we're going to be fine.

[A]

We.

[C]

I don't say that to a lot of people.

[B]

I have a lot of questions about a lot of different things for later.

[C]

Okay, so Favorite jotter. So Aaron and I like our careers,

[B]

like, consistent.

[C]

Yeah. Stagnant. Highs, lows. And like, you like anybody else. Right. Like anyone doing what we're all doing, it's like, there are highs, there are lows. You can never. When you're on top, you can never, like, buy into it too much. And when you're down, you can never buy into it too much. It's always going to get better. But. So favorite daughter. Aaron and I had done this company came to us and was like, can you put some funny captions on T shirts and sweatshirts? Like, you guys are witty. And, like, let's just do a cute, like, collab. It was this company, Suburban Riot. When. Do you remember when Beyonce wore that sweatshirt that said kale, but it looked like Yale? It was that company. They were like, you guys are so funny. Let's just. Whatever. So Aaron and I like, yeah, we can do that in our sleep. We did not have a lawyer look at this deal because we were like, there was no money involved. It was just gonna be cute. It was just gonna be a cute thing to do. Okay, so we put a bunch of captions on, and one of them was favorite Daughter. But we didn't think anything of it. It was just, oh, that's cute. It ended up selling, like, $2 million of T shirts, of shirts that say Favorite Daughter.

[B]

That's always how it goes, huh?

[C]

The money didn't go the. To us. I mean, we got a little bit, but. And we were like, oh, damn. But even then, we were not like, oh, this is a brand. These women at Centric Brands.

[B]

Oh, it's Centric Brands.

[C]

Centric Brands is our. We're in a joint venture. It's a 50. 50 joint venture.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Okay, got it. So we'd be nothing without them.

[B]

And you.

[C]

Let me just say, they are the best partners.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

That is.

[C]

I have chills.

[A]

The.

[C]

Are you talking to them?

[B]

I am not talking to them.

[C]

Maybe I should. But that.

[B]

That's so nice to hear.

[C]

Incredible. And by the way, everyone told us not to do it.

[B]

Everybody told us. But the entire time, the through line of this conversation is, you have good instincts about yourself.

[C]

Every little thing that's worked for us has been us kind of going.

[B]

We feel this.

[C]

We're doing it different.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Thank you for the advice. Like, And I'm talking, like, advice from really smart people, people much smarter than us. We're like, don't do that. They said, do it as a license number one. And then other people said, don't give away 50% of your company. Raise money. Raise money. Own 80% of your company. And we're like, well, we would rather own 50% of something that works than 80% of something that doesn't work.

[B]

I'm in those conversations right now.

[C]

Okay. I'm a big believer in, you know, keeping as much equity as you can when it makes sense. But when you're in a situation like this where the operational side of it is so intense and so demanding, and there. The logistics are something that I could never pretend to understand. You give away 50% of your clothing 100%, so it wouldn't be successful without them.

[B]

So this is now how many years?

[C]

So this was 21, I guess. And they came to us.

[B]

Sweatshirt. And then how did we get into clothes?

[C]

So Jennifer Hawkins, she. Jennifer Sender Hawkins and Susie Bazanz, they see it.

[B]

They're women.

[C]

They're women, and they come to us and they say, we think this is a brand. And I looked at Aaron, and I go, this is not a brand. Like, we are writers. We're now the creative directors of Bumble.

[B]

Oh, I remember that. I love Whitney.

[C]

Yeah, she's nice.

[B]

I knew Whitney.

[C]

She's the best.

[B]

We were neighbors. We lived in the same building. That's crazy.

[C]

Yeah. So. And that was also, like, a departure thing. When we took that job, everyone told us not to take that job. They were like, you guys are coming off Barely Famous. People are now finally taking you seriously as comedians and actresses and whatever. From Barely Famous. Why are you gonna go do this tech job? And we were like, it just. It's a cool opportunity. And.

[B]

And also, going back to what you said at the beginning of the interview, like, you take everything personally. Do you operate from that place for work?

[C]

Maybe, like, from.

[B]

From, like, your company now? Like, if somebody's not doing, like, well,

[C]

you know, it's so. It's interesting. So when we launched the company, I sat in a meeting, and I was like, I'll get us into Shopbop.

[B]

And they were like, cute.

[C]

How will you do that? And I go, well, Aaron and I, when we were doing all of our press for Barely Famous season two, we were the Shopbot muses, and they paid us, and we were like, the faces of Shopbop for, like, a month. You know, I've got this like, hold my beer.

[B]

Hold my beer.

[C]

Yeah. And they were like, okay, cool. And so I email my contact, obviously at Shopbop. I'm like, hey, congratulations. I'm launching a clothing brand and I'm gonna let you have it. And they were like, that's so cute. Let us know when you have sales. Wow. They were like, thank you, but no thank you.

[B]

Damn. Oh, stupid.

[C]

I was like, okay. That was sort of my first

[D]

got

[C]

put, you know, baby got put in her place as. But by the way, I needed it. I needed it because I had no concept of this landscape of, you know, like wholesale.

[B]

And it's a whole thing.

[C]

It's a whole thing. And so, Jeff Lewis, I love you so much. Oh, I love you so much. I love a pop in it series.

[B]

It's such a comedian.

[C]

I texted him, I was like, I'll be here.

[B]

He's like, and by the way, I was turned around getting photos taken by a 21 year old girl who didn't believe I had kids, which was a big moment for me. And she. And he was like, I didn't know it was Sarah. You. I'm like, I am going to take it. I'm going to take it.

[C]

Oh, my God. Yeah, we do sort of have like the same vibe, I think.

[B]

I mean, yeah, but we're not. No.

[C]

Okay, wait, so, okay, so yeah, so then. So then a year goes by Shop Bob emails.

[B]

But you're doing a year doing. What did you launch with?

[C]

We launched. Well, we launched in Covid. So we pivoted and then launched with a masked hoodie. It was like our proprietary. I mean you couldn't, you know, patent it, but nobody else was doing it. And we created a masked hoodie, this adorable hoodie with a built in mask. And that was kind of the jump off point.

[B]

And then that started just going into

[C]

like clothes, like full on.

[B]

So you make everything. Denim dresses.

[C]

We make everything shoes. Shop up a year later wrote us and they go, hey, you guys are our number one searched brand that we don't carry.

[B]

Full circle moment.

[C]

But you know what?

[B]

And did you give it to them?

[C]

Fuck yeah.

[B]

Fuck yeah. Did they put a. Did they place a good order?

[C]

They placed a good.

[B]

They're great partners. They just placed a good order for me this week. Yeah, they're great. You have three stories.

[C]

So we have New York, Upper east side, Beverly Hills, on Beverly Drive. We had Palisades. Sadly, we're not going back there. We just opened in Nashville and then we're doing Dallas Greenwich.

[B]

Okay. And you do. Because we were talking money.

[C]

Everything we do suiting, we do denim we do shoes, we're launching handbags in September. We do all of that.

[B]

So you make how much a year? What's the brand profiting?

[C]

People told us when we started, they go, you will never make money doing this. You will never make money. It is a sinking ship. Okay.

[B]

I literally have chills.

[C]

And we were like, okay, well, we're gonna try. We were profitable year two. Now, hold on. I don't also though, want people to think like, it's very hard and we would not have done it without our partners.

[B]

Right.

[C]

We were able to literally utilize their

[B]

back office operating partners. They take care of everything.

[C]

So many people that would have hit our PNL didn't because we got to use there, you know, so it's very easy to become profitable when you have.

[B]

Did you take a salary or two?

[C]

Very little.

[B]

Very little. Okay, so you were just building this out of like your, your. Yes.

[C]

Nothing. The first couple of years. Nothing.

[B]

Okay. And now you're taking a salary, I would imagine.

[C]

Yeah. So now we split the profit. So you're making my main source of income.

[B]

What is. Well, if you sold your part of the business out, you'd be set.

[C]

I mean, I think the company right now is valued. I would say it's probably could. We could take it to the. To market with like a $200 million valuation.

[B]

How does that make you feel?

[C]

I mean, look, it's amazing and I

[B]

don't know, let's pause on $200 million in the market. Like that is.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, like if we went to market with our EBITDA and with that is, I think the number. But, you know, you can't ever get comfortable. I can't think like that though, because the second that we pull, you know, the second that we get too comfortable in that, you can, it can be

[B]

gone tomorrow, which I operate from that same lenses here, totally. But I think in this instance, I mean, just based on listening to you talk, where you've started, how your career has gone, it's never been that sort of like straight shot up. Like I'm the same exact way. So you should definitely take a second throughout your day, every day to be like, holy shit, I built something that could be sold for $200 million. And that is fucking. Most people don't do that. That's crazy.

[C]

Yeah, I know. And you know, it's interesting in our business is like, we have to be careful because you don't wanna grow out of an acquisition. You can get too big, right. Where then there's no buyer.

[B]

So you gotta Keep it.

[C]

Yeah. It's like, look, maybe we never even sell. Maybe we just keep growing and, like, we're profitable so we can. It's a great income. But I think that it's okay, as a woman, to say, men are not afraid to be like, yeah, I wanna be acquired. I wanna be acquired and I wanna make $100 million. And I think that we have to be more comfortable saying that. And there's nothing wrong with that. No.

[B]

And to create a life for yourself and to have ownership over your own decisions and everything like that is what.

[C]

You're right. I pay my own bills. I pay for my children's school. I pay for everything. Tommy and I split a lot of things. There's no. Just like, oh, I can go get a fucking manicure for the rest of my life. That's not gonna happen for me unless something happens.

[B]

Can I tell you, I'm devastated because we have to stop. And I. I have to say genuinely thank you because this was so much more than I thought it was gonna be. I knew it was gonna be great, but I. I usually. And this team knows I'll end I 30 minutes in. I'm usually like, oh, are we good? Like, I just get anxious. I feel like I can't move around. And this was so amazing. So please come back. I will, seriously. And I'll come on yours if you want me to.

[C]

Yes, I do want you to.

[B]

I'd be a little nervous, but yeah.

[C]

No, it's on Zoom.

[B]

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[A]

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[D]

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