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John Good
This is the MA Radio Hour. I'm your host, John Good experts say that we all have several dreams over the course of a night's sleep. Dreams that we may or may not remember. But what about the dreams that keep us up at night? The ones we create while awake? Dreams of hitting the game winning shot, of landing that job you've wanted since you were 10, or of getting that DeLorean up to 88 miles per hour. And going back to the future. Dreams realistic, far fetched and beyond our wildest imagination. As we approach the 250th anniversary of a nation built on the dream of a better life, on the promise of taking the tired and dispossessed, yearning to be free and showing them the path to a golden door, let's hear some stories about the dreams and the dreamers that make America what it is. First up is a story from a grand slam in Birmingham where we partner with public radio station WBHM in Alabama. Here's Alexis Barton live at the mall.
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Alexis Barton
They say you never forget your first time. Now, I'm not talking about that type of first time, but that's how I remember entering my very first beauty pageant. No scholarship pageant. Now, understand that I had never run for anything competitively in my life before. The only thing I'd won was the fourth grade spelling bee. And among my classmates, I was kind of used to coming in second place. And I was nobody's performer. I threw up before every piano recital I ever had for 10 years straight. But I wanted to know what it felt like to win. And to be honest, I wanted that crown. Not just any crown, the Miss Alabama crown. Now, to understand how truly delusional that was, remember what I said about throwing up before piano recitals? But a friend who supported my delusions suggested that before I enter the Miss Alabama pageant system that I do a pageant for practice. Unfortunately, there was a local pageant right around the corner. We'll call it the Miss Jefferson County Legacy Jamboree Pageant. Some of you know what I'm talking about. I dashed off my application, mailed it in, and they called. We'd love to talk to you. And so I ran down to the Five Point South Library and had a little interview with the pageant committee. And they accepted me. That was a piece of cake, I thought. She win? Till I got down to the local dance studio for the first of many pageant practices coordinated by a local choreographer. And I sized up my competition. And I realized, lex, you in danger, girl. Because they were prepared. They were talented, these other young ladies. They were leggy, they were confident. One of them had performed on a cruise ship as a singer. And here I was, a tall, awkward, ugly duckling. Looks eight on a good day, dance negative three. But if anything, I'm not a quitter. So I needed a graceful exit, right? And I hadn't told my parents yet that I'd signed myself and their credit cards up for this opportunity. So when I told them, I was shocked. Because they were all in. My dad turned into a madman. Literally. He turned into Ron Draper. He sold every ad that I needed for the pageant program, and he wrote every line of copy. My mom, Miranda Priestley, had nothing on her because she prepared my wardrobe like I was going to the Ebony Fashion Fair or, for those of you who are younger, rush top. She even enlisted my aunt to design and put together my opening number outfit. A crimson organza jumpsuit with a big bow, because Southern girls love bows. And when the big night came, I whirled into the theater and I marched up to the microphone, kind of like this one. And I said, my name is Alexis Barton, and I'm a junior majoring in English at uab. And my motto is, it's not what you're called, it's what you answer to. And they bought it, just like y' all did. And then I was dancing to the edge of the stage in my fitness wear and holding my eight count like my life depended on it, because I didn't know what an eight count was before a pageant. And then I was in my little tweed suit, chewing up the scenery for my dramatic monologue because I was not going to perform on the piano. And by the time I went to change into my mother's evening gown that I had borrowed, I realized I was having fun. And I realized something else as I looked at the other girls as they changed, and I saw that they were shook. One was crying because she had missed the opening choreography steps, and another was crying because her boyfriend hadn't shown up for the pageant. And one was. Was crying because she had a new pimple that they didn't have concealer for. And I realized that we weren't all that different. We were all swans growing into our wings, paddling furiously, trying not to make fools of ourselves. And I went back out for that final question. And I could take a deep breath, like I'm doing now, and relax. And I found my parents eyes in the audience and locked on them. And I realized that I had always been a princess to them. So when they called the top 10 and my name was included, I wasn't really surprised. I had as good a chance as anyone else I knew by then. And then it was top seven, top five, top two. And it was me and one other girl standing there under the hot light like this one. And my hope. My heart thundered in my chest and it rose up in my throat. And then all of a sudden, runner up
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Heather Angel
me.
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Alexis Barton
An audible gasp went across the crowd, or so my mom says. But let's Face it, she's biased. And as I took my roses and step back into the shadows so the queen could be crowned, I didn't stop smiling, even though, you know, I did have Vaseline on my teeth. But really it was because I knew that in the words of James Baldwin, my crown had already been bought and paid for. I just had to put it on. And there was a silver lining because I was named Miss Photogenic, which came with a year's worth of free hair styling. So technically, I did get a new crown twice a month for a whole year. And I consider that a big win because I was a broke college student. And now when I'm on stages like that, well, like this one, and I want to run and throw up off stage, I look around and I remember that everybody else is nervous too, and that this is just practice. We're all practicing.
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John Good
That was Alexis Barton. Alexis is an award winning journalist and writer based in Birmingham, Alabama. She is the Moth, Birmingham's first Story slam winner. And I know this because I was blessed to be hosting that night. Alexis's work has appeared in the Washington Post magazine, Southern Living, and was cited in the best American essays 2023. Early in her story, Alexis said that her dream of being Miss Alabama was delusional. But I think it was the great philosopher and prophet Seal that once said, no, we're never going to survive unless we get a little crazy. And we're definitely not gonna get our hair done for free twice a month for a year without chasing our dreams. That is for sure. That is for sure. In a moment, a city girl learns how to farm and a daughter must become a fierce advocate for her parents. When the Moth Radio Hour continues.
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John Good
this is the Moth Radio Hour. I'm John Good. Our next story was told by Heather angel at one of our open mic storage slams in Boston, where we partner with public radio station wbur. Here's Heather.
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Heather Angel
So this summer, after my freshman year in college, I got a job as a farmhand. And it was 2001 and I was 19 years old. And the couple that were my new bosses, they were in their mid-60s by the time I walked up their driveway in New Hampshire. And they had been farming for 14 hours a day for 40 years. And the husband would soon and forever become affectionately known to me simply as the old man. And he would wear a different canvas hat every day, perched kind of like a bird on his bald head. And he had a muddled brow, a furrowed brow, and two watery blue eyes. His parents were French Canadian, and so he had learned a little bit of French. And he also spoke with a pretty good Boston accent, but it was so slow that it almost had like a Down east vibe. And that was the year that Christina Aguilera's single Lady Marmalade came out on the Moulin Rouge soundtrack. And he would walk around the farm singing, voulez, vous couchez avec moi, c' est soi. He was mouthy, he was charming, and he was nobody's fool. I soon learned that farming was really hard. The first week I worked there, he made me unload a trailer load of 50 pound bags of soil twice. We would be so dirty sometimes when at the end of the day that I'd have to take off my clothes and hose off in the driveway before my mom would let me come into the house. I thought I was going to die in his barn. The hay was so thick in the air that it would get into your lungs and it would cut any exposed skin and be in your hair and you'd find it the whole rest of the day. Nobody understood why I loved it so much. The farm became really a part of my life as I went on. And it was so different from the life that I was leading. Otherwise, I was going to school in Chicago, and so every summer I would come home to the farm. And every year I'd go back to school where I'd stay up till 2am and then at the farm I'd get up at 6am But I got to do really cool stuff too. Like I used to plant different varieties of pumpkins and they had names like Cinderella and Jack B. Little and they all sounded like bedtime stories. And my life couldn't have been more different than when I went back to school. I was a sophomore during the September 11th attacks and I Got really influenced by these Jesuit priests who talked a lot about non violence and peacemaking. And I went to teach INS for the Iraq war. I rode all night to go to protests on buses. And when I came back to the farm, I realized that the old man did not share my views. We were both Catholic and I had been introduced to this really radical peacenik, kind of outside the bounds of the norms, Catholicism. And he was a New Hampshire Republican. And he would say really kind of intense revenge stuff. And I would pause and look at him and I would say, I can never remember which gospel that's in. Was it Matthew or Mark? And we like to have fun with each other. And the farm really became like medicine to me in his fields. My life at home was not great at that time. My dad had died a few years earlier, unexpectedly, and my sisters and I weren't really getting along. My family had moved to a much smaller house and I used to sleep on a cot on the porch. And I didn't really feel like anybody at home really liked me that much. But when I came to the farm, they were always glad to see me. It was sort of like a sober, daytime, dirtier version of Cheers, you know. And I knew that when I came back from school, you know, I'd always have a job at the farm. And I started selling Christmas trees for them in the winter. And my college friends soon realized that the old man was more than just my boss, he was something else. And he and his wife, never anyone I called the old lady. And too much respect for her for that. Not that there's anything wrong with those ladies, but they kind of became like my surrogate grandparents. And I would come back from the farm and visit them even after I stopped working there. I can't remember when they stopped paying me, but at some point I just would come and work. And that continued on in my life. And one time I was visiting them by this time I was in my early 30s. And his wife looked at me across the table of the farm kitchen, middle of winter and said, more like it was a question, but it was a statement. You never met a guy you wanted to marry. And I took a deep breath and I said, well, I don't really date guys anymore. And the old man nodded and said, I knew it. And he had this self satisfied smirk, you know. And then he said, well, don't expect me to walk you down the aisle at your wedding. And we'd never discussed that, But he knew if anybody was ever going to walk me down the aisle at my wedding, I would want it to be him. So I gave him the cold shoulder for a few months. And then his daughter, who started calling me her little sister at some point in the early aughts, found out what happened and read him the riot act. And he called me, he's like, I'm sorry, I'll walk you down the aisle at your wedding if you ever need me to. And then pretty soon he invited my girlfriend to the famous farm Christmas parties. And it carried on like that. And they sold the farm in their mid-80s and they retired to a condo where they grew tomatoes on their porch. And if you've ever loved a 90 year old, as these years went on, you hold on to every moment, you know that you can feel the moments passing. And he would leave me these long kind of sarcastic missives, voicemails with his lyrical voice, asking me, where the hell have I been? You know? And I saved all of them. I listened to a bunch of them today. And a few months ago his daughter called me and told me that the end was near. He'd been sick for a while. So I took the back road to the hospital and drove past the old farm. And the, like the last gasps of autumn were turning the fields like this dull gold. And everybody was there. And by that point nobody was like, why is that old farmhand here? Like I was part of the family. And the nurse that night was her family, friends owned a farm. And she said, everybody's out picking today because the frost is coming tonight, you know. And it gave us all this sense of urgency, but also this sense of peace. And the next morning I woke up before sunrise and took my dog outside. And the frost had come in the night like silent and crisp. And I knew he was gone before I even got the call. He was a really good farmer till the end. He knew when it was done. And the night before at the hospital, right before I left, I gave him a kiss on the forehead. He had these big meaty hands that I held. And I said, hayes, in the barn, old man, the field is empty. I'll meet you there. Thank you.
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John Good
That was Heather Angel. My goodness, listen, I can't speak for anyone else but that last line. Haze in the barn, old man, the field is empty. I'll meet you there. That left me in the most reverential and joyous of tears. That is the stuff dreams are made of. Words that touch our souls, that move our heart and that stir our emotions. Heather angel is a proud New Englander and lives in Massachusetts with her wife and their dog, Sampson. She has worked as a farmhand, a summer camp director, and a freelance snow shoveler. She is now a high school teacher and healthcare chaplain. Heather enjoys public libraries, a proper cup of tea, and being the fun aunt. Heather still keeps in touch with the old man's wife and his family. After living in the city for over a decade, she and her wife bought a house near her hometown. It's across the street from a farm, she told us. I think about the old man every day. I keep a picture of him in the visor of my car and I still go to call him and then remember that I can't. I'm also so grateful for him that a decision to walk up a driveway looking for a job when I was 19 gave me such an incredible and unique relationship. Our next story comes from Ophea Begum Ali. We met Ophea through the Moth Education Program, which brings personal storytelling to high school and college students and educators around the country. The Moth Edu brainstorms stories and gives participants the tools and guidance they need to tell them. We loved Ophea's story so much we asked them to tell it on our main stage in Charlottesville, Virginia. Hey listen, I'm from Virginia. It's the VA all day. Two up, two down. We told it in Charlottesville, where we partnered with the Paramount Theater. Here is Opia.
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Ophea Begum Ali
I keep a paper bowl on my desk. It's signed and dated July 2025 and my father folded it when he was in the emergency room and by the time he made that boat I have been translating from my mom and dad most of my life and the first time this responsibility falls on my shoulders. I am about 10 years old and I am wearing a mustard yellow velour tracksuit with Little Princess written across the chest. Nothing says ready for court like rhinestones and anxiety. My mother and I take the E train to the Queen's Criminal Court and we hold the same cold metal pole in silence and we hold on like it's the only thing that's keeping us from falling apart. And in the courtroom the fluorescent lights make everyone seem more miserable than they already feel. It's the first time I see my brother in handcuffs and his lawyer walks up to us and she starts talking really fast. The translation back and forth is a bit slow because I am translating from sileti to English and English to sileti except I can't find the word for raiment. The closest translation I can come up with is he stays in jail unless we come up with the money for the judge. Now I don't understand the criminal legal system, but I do understand my brother is not coming home. So I cut her off and I say, look, lady, I am only 10 years old and my mother doesn't understand what you're saying. So she squats down so her eyes meet mine, and this time in a softer voice, she explains where my brother is going, what is bail, and how much we have to pay, and I just nod, as if I am comfortable using legal jargon in everyday life. In that moment, I learned a rule. If I don't stand up for my mom and dad, no one else will. But the truth is I don't want this role. I want to sink into my couch and I want to watch Saturday morning cartoons with a giant bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch because everyone knows the milk is the main event. Instead, my weekends are filled with doctor's appointments, visiting a juvenile jail, and translating adult problems. My childhood felt less like a playground and more like jury duty. At school, kids would talk about Disneyland and Six Flags and I want something to add without killing the vibe. But nobody wants to listen to stories about correction officers yelling at my mother to remove her burqa, so I stayed quiet. My family is from Bangladesh, so that means I speak Silati at home, English at school, and survival in between. My parents never sit me down and explain the Bill of Rights, but they teach me the rules of survival in Queens. My mother teaches me how to move without asking for permission, and my father teaches me how to fight without raising my voice. And those lessons follow me into every room I walk into. Twenty years later, I am at my legal internship and they hand me an assignment on something called an outlet hearing, and I go all in until it makes sense, because behind the case law is a 19 year old kid looking at prison time. Then I get a call from my niece. She tells me that my father is in the emergency room and he's diagnosed with cancer. I don't know what kind, how bad it is, or how much time we have together, so I go to the hospital to get the full story. And when I'm on the R train, I replay everything my niece told me when the doctor spoke to my dad. It's all in English. No one bothers to call an interpreter. And I know my father. He nods his head the way immigrants do when the sounds feel familiar, but the meaning never lands. He catches words like his name and his birthday and hopes the rest will work itself out. And I hope that he misunderstood the diagnosis. Or maybe we caught it early. But the truth is I am terrified that this one time I am not there to translate is a moment everything falls apart. So at the hospital, I wait hours for updates. Visiting hours end, and nothing changes. So I leave the hospital and I start working on the assignment. It felt safer to work on a legal memo than to imagine a life without my father. And I don't sleep. The next morning, I set an alarm to call the hospital every hour. And every hour, the nurse gives me the same response. The doctor will call you. But that call never comes. By the time I submit my assignment, my exhaustion turns into anger. And at first I feel helpless. But then I realized I've been doing this my whole life. And then I pull out my phone and I start googling hospital policies. I start throwing out words like duty of care and patient rights, like I am starring in a reboot of Ally McBeal. I'm not an expert, but I'm exactly who my father needs me to be. So I go back to the hospital to visit my father and to speak with the patient advocate. And I am careful not to lose my temper around him. And I explain everything, from the silence to the language barrier. And all this man did was send one message to my father's entire care team. And that's when things started changing. They finally called an interpreter and is someone who speaks my father's language. And for the first time, my father understands what is happening to his body. And for the first time, he has a voice in his treatment plan. The doctors also call me regularly and they explain the diagnosis and the next steps. And I have nothing left to say. And that's when the doctor pauses and asks, how are you feeling? For a moment, I imagine myself punching him in the face and yelling, how the fuck do you think I feel? But instead, I just breathe. Because this time, I choose to be the advocate. But here's a thing I never saw coming. Advocacy gave me something unexpected. Moments to bond with my mom and dad. These moments weren't just about paperwork or appointments anymore. They were real conversations about their dreams and their fears and things they never said out loud. As a kid, I would zone out while my parents were running errands. I would tap the buttons on my Game Boy or feed my Tamagotchi. Meanwhile, my parents were just trying to hold everything together. They never understood what it meant for me when I would miss school and fall behind on my assignments. And I never understood what it meant to leave a community that knew how to hold them up and start over in a country that never spoke their language. One afternoon in the hospital, I asked my father about his favorite memory of school, and he tells me that he dropped out in the third grade after his dad died, and like me, he carried his family on his back when he was just a kid. He smiles and says I liked making paper crafts. So I rip off a piece of paper and I say, show me. He carefully folds the creases until it forms into a paper bow and I pretend I don't know so he can take the lead. And when he's done, I ask him to sign it and he forgets the date and the advocate in me will never allow him to skip that detail. So I remind him, never sign your name without the date next to it to avoid any legal issues and avoid being duped. Now, if I can explain or translate my father's annoyance with me, it would probably be even on my deathbed, you're giving me legal advice. He hands the paper bolt back to me and that paper boat sits on my desk. It is evidence that being heard can change everything. And it takes me years to realize this, but every single time I was translating from my mom and dad, I was also translating myself, trying to find my place in their world and mine. And that's still my job. Now. I make sentences sit up straight. Paper may sink in water, but words, if we make them strong enough, they can carry us. Thank you.
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John Good
That was Ophea Begum Ali. Ophea was born and raised in Queens, New York. They are currently pursuing a Juris Doctor at the City University of New York's School of Law. Over the past decade, they have developed a deep understanding of America's criminal legal system. When not drowning in coursework, they love taking their cat on walks, eating through Queens and Brooklyn, and capturing New York's beauty and chaos through photography. For the record, any story that begins with a mustard yellow velour tracksuit and ends with advocacy and love is speaking my language. Have you ever felt like you have a story that you'd like to tell us? If so, you can pitch us a story right on our site, themoth.org I
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Unnamed Storyteller (Medical School Interview Story)
was in the car with my Irish twin, my older sister, in our sleek Ford Tempo 1984, on our way to a medical school interview. It was my dream to go to medical school, but we had no one medical in our family, so I wasn't sure if it was real. Just a dream, reality, who knew? But there we were, driving to the medical school interview and the car broke down. The amazing Ford Tempo broke down. She said, I'm going to get you to that interview. So I'm not sure how because we're stuck on the side of the road and in comes a huge semi parks right in front of us and my sister jumps out and goes to talk to the semi driver and then motions me to come back and to also come into the truck with the semi driver. So dream death. Dream death. I'm not sure where we're going here, but for some reason that day I wore this outfit of a long tapestry skirt, I don't know, like an English professor and a sweater jacket. I don't know. Fashion is not my forte. So in I jump in the car in the semi and I asked the gentleman his name. He says, they call me Sneaky Snake. Okay, where are you headed? He said, the state pen. I said, okay. I turn around and there's a bed behind me full of carnival stuffed snakes. And I say, okay. So he said, I hear we got to get you to an interview. I said, oh, yes, please. So he drops us off at the next exit. I get to the interview. In the interview, they asked me, any recent challenges that you've had? And I said, well, our car broke down. Sneaky Snake interview. Here we are. And so from now on, as a doc, when I have a patient who's a trucker, I always thank them for making my dreams come true.
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John Good
Remember, you can pitch us online@themost.org where you can also share these stories or others from the Moth Archive. In a moment, a woman learns the secret of her grandmother's cooking when the Moth Radio Hour continues.
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John Good
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Aminah Brown
He's got it.
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John Good
Oh, and he's gone for a can of Pepsi too.
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Alexis Barton
What a finish.
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John Good
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Aminah Brown
Matchdays deserve Pepsi.
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John Good
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Alexis Barton
Every single person had a story. These are the stories that make us who we are.
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John Good
Listen to what World War II with Tom Hanks on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Moth Radio Hour. I'm John Good. Our final story comes from Aminah Brown, who told it at a main stage in New Bedford, Massachusetts, where we partnered with the Zeiterian Theater. Here's Aminah live at the Moth.
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Aminah Brown
There are two reasons I needed to get in my grandma's kitchen. One, to keep her recipes. Two, to catch a man. When I was a little girl, my grandma's kitchen was this magical place. And it didn't matter whether it was your birthday or a holiday or just a regular old Sunday. She'd say, baby, what kind of cake you want? And I tell her, grandma, I want chocolate cake. And then I'd run outside to play. I mean, I never actually stayed in the kitchen to see what she was doing in there. I just figured she's probably clapping her hands like LeBron James in the middle of a basketball game, all flour and glitter and abracadabra hands. All I know is when I came inside from playing, there was a feast. Fried chicken and collard greens, biscuits and cake. And after the whole meal was over, my grandma would take that leftover fried chicken, set it over to the side. She'd take the cake, set it to the side, slice it, wrap each slice individually in wax paper, tape it closed, and then she'd grab an empty shoebox, line it with paper towels, half fried chicken, half chocolate cake, and each family got their own box to go home with. Maybe an hour into your journey, in the car, on a bus, in a train, you'd lift the lid of that box and feel like heaven was singing back to you. Which is why as a grown woman, I needed to return to my grandma's kitchen. My dating life, it wasn't going so well. And some of the old Southern women said, maybe it ain't going well cause you can't cook. And I resent the implication. I could cook. I could make spaghetti and meatloaf and tuna fish. Is tuna fish cooking? I went to my grandma and I said, grandma, if the way to a man's heart is through his stomach, I'm not going to get there like this. You need to teach me all the things you know. She clapped her hands like she does when she gets really excited. And then she looked at at me real serious, and I knew we were about to get to work. First assignment, collard greens. I'm there in my Grandma's kitchen. We're hip to hip. There are no written recipes for any of this. So I'm just there in the kitchen with her, trying to catch some tips and suggestions and take the best notes I can. We start with these big collard green leaves on the stem, soak them in salt water. She takes me through each step of the process. How you got to cut the leaves off the stem and roll them up just right. Cut them into one inch pieces so they have that perfect bite. We make my grandma's amazing collard greens. But now I gotta go back to my first apartment kitchen with its faux granite countertops that I was really proud of and try to make these collard greens by myself. So I do, and I put together a little tasting dish, take it back over to my grandma. She tastes it and she says, now, baby, I think you got the texture right, but it's a little salty. I go back over a period of weeks and I try this until finally I hand her that tasting dish, and when it comes back to me, there are no collard greens left in it. She had no notes for me, which means I have graduated. I can move on to my next dish. I mean, I got a lot to learn. I got to make the Mac and cheese and the candy yams, the cabbage, and the rutabagas. So we do this over a period of a few months until I finally learn all the dishes. Then I meet a man. Things get serious with him, and so I say it's the time for me to make my grandma's food for him. I make him this meal, and several months later, he proposed to me, which means grandma's magic. It really does work. My boyfriend becomes my fiance, becomes my husband. We buy our first home, and my mother in law gifts me the perfect symbol of a Southern woman's domesticity. The standing KitchenAid mixer. It doesn't matter if you use it. It's just supposed to sit there on your counter so other people can be jealous of you. But me, I wanted to use mine. So I called my grandma and I said, Grandma, I'm turning 35. This is what I want for my birthday. I want you to come to my house. Let's break open this KitchenAid mixer. Teach me how to bake your cakes. You taught me how to make everything except your cakes. She says, baby, let me check my schedule. Changes the subject, hangs up the phone. I wait a week. I call back again, hey, Grandma. I just wanted to touch base about this again because my birthday's coming up and I. I Thought maybe you could come to my house, we could bake a cake together. She said, now, Mina, that was so long ago. I don't even know if I remember how to bake those cakes anymore. Changes the subject and hangs up the phone again. I wait one more week. I call her back, grandma, hey, my birthday's coming up, like right here, and I thought we could come to an agreement about you coming to my house. House baking a cake. She says, mina, I got to tell you something. Now, I know you thought I made those cakes from scratch, But Mina, I was. I was using a box mix. And I don't know if you've ever heard the sound of your childhood deflating, but this is what it sounds like. Because, no, not my grandma. My grandma has no use for a cake mix. My grandma surely gets the eggs directly from the chickens. I mean, surely when my grandma needs flour, she threshes the wheat herself. No, my grandmother does not need a cake mix. She said, and baby, I don't even know if they make that mix I used to use anymore. Starts googling small batch cake mix, North Carolina. Because that's where my grandma's from. I said, well, Grandma, you don't even remember what it was called. She said, well, baby, they used to call it Supermar. And I don't know if you have Southern grandparents, but when you do, sometimes they say things to you and then the consonants just disappear at the end of the things they say, and you're left there to decipher what is being said to you. And she keeps repeating it, and I don't understand what she's saying. And she said, baby, you don't understand me. I said, grandma, I don't know what you're talking about. She said, baby, you spell it. S, U, P, E, R, M, O, I, S, T, Super Ma. And I said, grandma, you think they don't make Betty Crocker super Moist anymore? I said, grandma, now I know you don't watch the Walking Dead, but if you did, you would know that when they go in that one abandoned grocery store to get formula for that one baby, you know what's still on the aisle? Grandma, Betty Crocker's Super Moist. Grandma, did you know you could drive into rural America, pull up to any gas station, and you know what's gonna be sitting there on the aisle? Grandma, Betty Crocker's Super Moist. They're never gonna stop making it. It's gonna survive the zombie apocalypse. Grandma, look, let's not worry about this. Can you just come to my house and Bake a cake cake. She agrees. We're back in the kitchen together, hip to hip. I tell her I want to make a pineapple cake. I find a from scratch recipe the closest to what I can think her cake would have tasted like. We get in the kitchen together, she starts remembering some things. How you've got to gently take your cake layer out of the cake pan. How you got to poke holes in that middle layer so your pineapple sauce will soak through just right. She teaches me how to make an egg white frosting. And we make a really delicious and really ugly cake. The ugly part was a me thing, not a her. I don't know how to frost a cake. Which is why when my grandma turned 85, all of us have to gather together. Her kids, her grandkids, her great grandkids. We all gather together in a big old beach house and now I'm the one in the family who cooks all the food that she taught me how to make. So I slide up to her and I say, grandma, what kind of cake you want? And she said, now baby, you know, I want a chocolate cake. I want yellow cake with chocolate frosting. And I said, you gon get that cake and that cake is going to be super moist. I get in the kitchen, I've cooked all my things, the cake is my last thing to make. And as I'm stirring up this box mix, I'm just thinking I'm one of the older grandchildren, maybe she started this cake mix thing for the younger kids, not for me. I bake that cake and take a little corner off to taste it. And yes, tastes exactly like my childhood. And she tells me an older woman in the church told her, use the cake mix but make your frosting from scratch. That's how you'll fool him. And she did. A whole family. So after this meal, after we feast, we sit around soaking her in, asking her all the questions we can think to ask. So I say, grandma, what was the deal with the shoebox and the fried chicken and the cake? Why'd you do that? She said, oh, I did that because it's what my parents did for me during segregation in case we took a trip somewhere and there wasn't a safe place to stop. We made food to keep our families safe. She said, I did it for my children during Jim Crow in case we took a trip and there wasn't a safe place to stop. I made that food to keep our family safe. She said, I did it for you grandchildren because I want you to get home safe too. And then I thought, there's my grandma making magic again. Taking injustice, taking a painful history and pouring love in all the places she could get it. Which is why when it's time for my cousins to leave, when they say they got to leave early, they got to head back to work. I mean, I gotta keep the tradition going. I gotta take that cake, slice it, wrap it in wax paper, tape it closed. I gotta hope that cake and wax paper can somehow be a prayer that my cousins will get home safe too. And all these years later, I still got my KitchenAid mixer. I'm still married to that man. We've been married for 14 years. My grandma's 93 years old and she is still telling us what to do. And I'm always going to be grateful for my grandma, for the magic of her kitchen and of course, for a small batch, rare to find little known cake mix called Betty Crocker's Super Moist.
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Ophea Begum Ali
Thank you.
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John Good
Amina Brown is a spoken word poet, author and performing artist whose work interweaves keeping it real, storytelling, rhyme and humor. A proud graduate of Spelman College, Aminah is the author of the comedic essay collection Never Tell a Black Girl how to Black Girl. You gotta love that title. You gotta love that title. And it is out right now. It is also our sincere hope that she invites us over for Thanksgiving dinner this year. Amina's Grandma is turning 94 this year and was in the audience at the Atlanta main stage where Aminah closed the show with this story. After the event was over, audience members lined up to take pictures with her grandma like she was a celebrity. And she absolutely is. She absolutely is friends. Every year, Aminah makes sure her grandma gets yellow cake with chocolate frosting that is super moist. To see photos of Amina and her grandma or Heather and the old man. And to find out more about them and all of our storytellers, go to themoth.org you can share these stories or others from the Moth archive. There are Moth events year round. You can find a show near you and come out and tell a story. The Moth can be found on all major social media platforms. That's it for this episode. We hope that you keep dreaming that your wildest dreams come true and that you will join us next time.
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This episode of the Moth Radio Hour was hosted by John Good. John is a regular host for the Moth, an Emmy winner, a spoken word poet and John and Barbara's boy. This show was produced by me, Jay Allison and Michelle Jalowski. Co producer is Vicki Merrick, associate producer Emily Couch the stories were directed by Chloe Salmon and Kate Tellers. Additional grand slam coaching by Jennifer Hickson and education program coaching by Jonathan Cabral. The Moss leadership team includes Gina Duncan, Christina Norman, Marina Cluce, Sarah Austin, Jenness Jordan, Cardinale, Caledonia Cairns, Suzanne Rust, Sarah Jane Johnson and Patricia Urenia. Special thanks to unlikely collaborators for their support of the Moth Education Program. Our pitch came in from Dr. Mary Rensel from Chagrin Falls, Ohio. Moth stories are true as remembered and affirmed by the Storytellers. Our theme music is by the Drift. Other music in this hour from Blue Dot Sessions and Stellwagen Symphonet. The Moth Radio Hour is one produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts. Special thanks to our friends at Odyssey, including Executive producer Leah Rees Dennis. For more about our podcast, for information on pitching us your own story and to learn all about the Moth, go to our website themoth.org.
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