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Maggie Sino
Welcome to the Moth Podcast. I'm Maggie Sino, senior producer here at the Moth, filling in for Dan Kennedy. We don't normally put a story on the podcast so soon after it's been told live, but on this week's episode we'll be hearing a story from Mahmoud Reza Banki that was told just a few weeks ago at a Main Stage in Los Angeles. The theme of the night was conviction. Here is Mahmoud Reza Banki.
Mahmoud Reza Banki
Thank you. As a fearless and ambitious teenager in Tehran, I believed I could do anything. Anything if I was given a chance. I wanted to be shoulder to shoulder with the best and the brightest. I wanted to be in America. My family lived through the Eight Year War in the 1980s when Saddam Hussein attacked Iran. Looking back now, the red alert sirens in the middle of the night, Iraqi missiles and fighter jet assaults, getting into bunkers as a child all seemed routine and normal. I didn't know another world. I left my family and came to the US when I was 18. I learned how to speak English from my tutor David Letterman every night on cbs. By the time I graduated from UC Berkeley, I felt like I finally belonged. I went on to Princeton to get my PhD in chemical engineering and biotech. I became a US citizen. I took a job at a top consulting firm in New York City. I fell in love with a Canadian theater actress. I was on top of the world. And then one day I got a call from my mom. My dad was having an affair. The more I learned, the more I was upset and ashamed. I wanted to do whatever I could to help my mother. Divorce for women in Iran is traumatic. Usually the man has the final say over what happens to the woman. My uncle, my mom's brother and I did everything we could to preserve some dignity for my mother after a 34 year marriage and sent the money my uncle and his son secured for my mom to me in the US where it would be safe. January 7, 2010. 6:30am My girlfriend wakes me up. She asks if I hear the loud banging. Half asleep in my underwear, I walk to the front door of my apartment in New York City. As soon as I open the door, men in black SWAT gear, guns drawn, rush into my apartment. They slam me against the wall and handcuff me. They bring me a pair of pants and rush me off into a minivan. I am in shock. No Miranda rights, no attorney, no explanation. They take me to an interrogation facility. By 3pm I'm locked in a cage outside a courtroom when an agent hands me an indictment. I flipped through it frantically. I was being charged with violating the US sanctions on Iran. Minutes later, I'm before the judge and I plead not guilty. They then lock me up in maximum security isolation. When the solid metal door closed closed behind me, the gravity of my new surroundings started to sink in. Concrete walls, an 8 foot by 8 foot cell, a metal bunk and a metal toilet. I was freezing in my orange jumpsuit. I stood in my prison cell and for hours at a time I asked the guards if I could make one call to an attorney. Why were they treating me this way? By the third night, 24 hour isolation was wearing away. At Me. I laid down on my metal bunk and quietly. I cried. Not because I was scared, quiet, cold or hungry. I cried because I could not be heard. Four days after my arrest, the marshals took me to a room where I sat on one side of a metal mesh screen. My hands were cuffed behind my back and on the other side sat a man who told me he was my attorney and that my bail hearing was in 30 minutes. He so tell me, Reza, when did you come to the us? Where did you go and what did you do? My heart was racing. How could this man, who knew nothing about me, represent me? I didn't have time to ask questions. I started unloading information about myself as fast as I could. The transfer of Mom's divorce settlement from Iran to the US had set off an investigation. The indictment charged that receiving this money was a violation of the sanctions. I knew the law and I knew family money was an exception. Even though I had no means of escape, no passport, assets, all frozen. Prosecutors claimed I was a flight risk. The judge said, I see no combination of circumstances that will ensure Mr. Banke's presence. Bail denied. No bail means the deck is stacked against you. It means you're stuck in maximum and high security prison. It's tough enough to stay sane, let alone fight a court case. We found out the prosecutors had been investigating me for two years. They'd been monitoring me. They searched my apartment, my laptop, cell phone, bank accounts. They questioned people who knew me. They had access to my entire life. By the time we got to trial, we got the discovery, all that evidence, the ledgers, list of customers, an underground banking operation, an international money broker network, it didn't exist. So months after I was arrested and right before trial, prosecutors added false statement charges. They claimed in these new charges that I misrepresented where Mom's money came from. I had said, my uncle and his son. The prosecutors claim this money came from my father. Back in the 80s, my parents had invested in a company that was run by my cousin and my uncle, my mom's brother and his son. This was the only asset not under the control of my father and the only reason mom got this money. I didn't understand how prosecutors who had never spoken to my family, hadn't seen a bank statement from Iran, didn't know the details of the divorce, were so sure of my family's circumstances. My attorney believed the new false statements were prosecutors salvaging a case that they all but lost. On the last day of trial, my attorney came to see me at my cage outside the courtroom. I felt like I could be free soon, that this nightmare may be over. The sanctions law has an exception for family money. The judge did not think this was relevant and kept it out. We also found the former director of the sanctions program in the US from 1987 to 2004. He agreed to testify on my behalf. The judge would not allow it. This man sat down with President Clinton and wrote the very law they were prosecuting me on. His testimony alone could have cleared me. The jury went into deliberation not knowing that under the law, family money transfers of this kind are permitted. Deliberation took four hours. I sat at the defense bench with my attorney by my side. The courtroom had a tall ceiling and two tall windows to match. I looked out the window at the skyline, at the buildings that seemed so far away, and wondered when I would be part of that world again. The judge asked us all to stand as the jury foreman read out, we the jury, find the defendant guilty. And then each individual juror confirmed their guilty verdict. The room was spinning. I sat and put my hands on the table. I couldn't feel my arms before all the faces and standing figures in the courtroom. My world had just collapsed. My life flashed past me and I had no say in it. I knew that no matter what, my life will never be the same again. After nearly two years of incarceration, I finally won on appeal, the appellate court ruled that the sanctions charges could not stand and they were overturned because the jury did not get the family money exception to the law. But the prosecution tactic with the false statements to salvage a win worked. These charges about who sent the family money, uncle, cousin or father. These charges that were not in the original indictment, I didn't win. Essentially, I lost the he said, she said battle to the government. These false statement charges did not carry a prison term, but they remain on my record. And for that, I am a felon for life. On the day of my release, my friends came to get me. I stood in the prison parking lot in my prison shorts and T shirt with a plastic bag of books and notes. On my first drive in two years, I didn't want to talk. I wanted to stare at all that I had missed. The open vista, cars, roads, people walking free. I just won on appeal. I was out of prison. I should have been happy, but I was crying. Why did it take so long? Prison is no rehab. People don't get out of prison any better than they went in. I didn't. I tore through job applications and interviews. I knew it would only take one company. But 250 job applications and about 100 interviews later, that one job, that one chance, never came. One interviewer told me, your resume is stellar. But then he asked me what I'd been doing for the last two years. I started to explain, but I couldn't speak fast enough. To ease his growing discomfort. He turned around and Googled my name. He turned red, started sweating. He looked back at me and told me to get out of his office. I may as well have been wearing that orange jumpsuit. Over the last four years, credit card companies have closed my accounts. Eleven banks have closed my bank accounts. I can't get a loan or a mortgage. I don't have equal voting rights. And on and on. This nightmare is a constant disqualifier. I am not equal. Prison, at some point end the punishment never does. My family insists that I should leave the US mom says she would have never stayed in a country that wrongfully imprisoned her or made it so difficult to move forward. She asks why I insist on staying in the US Right now with no success to speak of. It's a tough question to answer. My attorney says the only path I have in the US the only way I can restore my life, is a presidential pardon. I have thrown everything I have at this remote shot. My odds are less than 1% if I don't get a pardon. I may be left with no choice but to leave the US But I still want to believe that my country, that the United States will eventually come through. Thank you.
Maggie Sino
Mahmoud Reza Benki was born in Tehran and has been a US citizen for 20 years. He graduated with a double Bachelor's from UC Berkeley in Applied Mathematics and Chemical Engineering and went on to get his Ph.D. from Princeton University. He's published a biotech book and most recently graduated from the MBA program at ucla. Reza, all of us at the Moth are thinking of you. We hope you get your pardon very, very soon. For some photos of Reza and more information about his story, visit our website@themost.org thanks to all of you for listening and come back for more stories next week. Podcast Production by Timothy Lou Lee Moth events are recorded by Argo Studios in New York City, supervised by Paul Ruest. The Moth podcast is presented by prx, the Public Radio Exchange, helping making Public Radio more public@prx.org.
The Moth Podcast Summary: Mahmoud Reza Banki - "From Princeton to Prison"
Introduction In the episode titled "From Princeton to Prison," featured on The Moth podcast, Mahmoud Reza Banki shares his harrowing journey from a successful academic and professional life in the United States to an unjust incarceration. Told with raw emotion and compelling detail, Banki's story underscores themes of identity, injustice, and resilience.
Background: A Promising Start Mahmoud Reza Banki begins by painting a picture of his early life in Tehran, Iran. Growing up amidst the turmoil of the Eight-Year War in the 1980s, he describes the constant threat of Iraqi missile attacks and the routine nature of seeking shelter in bunkers.
"As a fearless and ambitious teenager in Tehran, I believed I could do anything. Anything if I was given a chance." ([02:38])
Driven by ambition, Banki emigrates to the United States at 18, immersing himself in American culture. He credits watching David Letterman on CBS as instrumental in mastering English. His academic prowess leads him to graduate from UC Berkeley, earn a Ph.D. in Chemical Engineering and Biotechnology from Princeton University, and eventually, an MBA from UCLA.
Professional Success and Personal Life Banki's accomplishments continue as he secures a position at a top consulting firm in New York City. He marries a Canadian theater actress, envisioning a life of professional success and personal fulfillment.
The Cracks Begin: Family Turmoil and Financial Transfers The narrative takes a turn when Banki receives distressing news from his mother about his father's affair. Concerned for his mother's well-being amidst the traumatic process of divorce in Iran, he collaborates with his uncle to transfer funds to the United States, aiming to preserve his mother's dignity and financial stability.
Arrest and Legal Nightmare On January 7, 2010, Banki's life unravels in an instant. In the early morning, armed men in SWAT gear storm his New York City apartment, arresting him without explanation.
"As soon as I open the door, men in black SWAT gear, guns drawn, rush into my apartment. They slam me against the wall and handcuff me." ([02:38])
Subjected to maximum security isolation, Banki faces charges of violating U.S. sanctions on Iran due to the money transfer. Despite understanding that family money transfers are typically exempt, he struggles to communicate his innocence within the austere confines of the prison cell.
The Trial: A Flawed Judicial Process Banki's trial becomes a battleground where the prosecution relies on flimsy evidence and added false statement charges to strengthen their case. Despite his attorney's efforts and the absence of concrete evidence supporting the alleged violation, the judge dismisses critical defenses, including testimonies that could have exonerated him.
"The judge said, I see no combination of circumstances that will ensure Mr. Banke's presence. Bail denied." ([02:38])
Ultimately, the jury convicts Banki, shattering his world.
Imprisonment and Its Aftermath After nearly two years of wrongful incarceration, Banki wins an appeal that overturns the primary sanctions charges. However, the additional false statement charges linger, branding him a felon for life.
Upon release, Banki confronts a society that remains hostile:
"On my first drive in two years, I didn't want to talk. I wanted to stare at all that I had missed... I just won on appeal. I was out of prison. I should have been happy, but I was crying." ([02:38])
He faces systemic barriers, including closed bank accounts, rejection from employers, and the overarching stigma of his felony status. These obstacles render his professional qualifications nearly irrelevant and trap him in a cycle of despair.
Seeking Redemption and Hope Despite the bleakness of his situation, Banki clings to hope. His family encourages him to leave the U.S., but he chooses to remain, believing in the possibility of justice through a presidential pardon—a slim lifeline with less than a 1% chance.
"I still want to believe that my country, that the United States will eventually come through." ([02:38])
Conclusion: A Heartfelt Appeal The episode concludes with Maggie Sino from The Moth extending heartfelt support to Banki, highlighting the community's empathy and solidarity.
"Reza, all of us at the Moth are thinking of you. We hope you get your pardon very, very soon." ([17:35])
Aftermath and Continuing Struggles Banki's story remains a poignant reminder of the fragility of justice and the enduring impact of wrongful imprisonment. His quest for redemption continues as he navigates life with persistent legal and societal challenges.
Final Thoughts Mahmoud Reza Banki's narrative encapsulates a profound journey from hope to despair and the relentless pursuit of vindication. His story serves as a compelling testament to the human spirit's resilience in the face of systemic injustice.
Further Information For more details about Mahmoud Reza Banki's story and updates on his situation, listeners are encouraged to visit themost.org.