Amish Sex Robots - Episode 20

Summary

The Musers The Podcast – Episode 20: "Amish Sex Robots"

Release date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: George Dunham, Craig "Junior" Miller, Gordon Keith
Network: Cumulus Podcast Network

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Overview

This episode of The Musers The Podcast dives deep—often hilariously and sometimes a little uncomfortably—into the future of human intimacy and relationships in an increasingly digital world, focusing especially on the rise of AI and sex robots. The trio's signature mix of absurdity, insight, and banter comes through as they confront a sensitive topic: What does it mean for humanity when technology promises frictionless relationships, virtual companionship, and even artificial intimacy? Buckle up for a wild, thoughtful ride.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Listener Mail, Nostalgia, and Show Set-Up

• Letter of the Week: The Musers begin with their classic "Letter of the Week" segment, reading entertaining and sometimes poignant messages from long-time devoted listeners. Emails touch on topics as varied as prop bets, past episodes about failure, and funny family moments.
  • Memorable quote: “He says that quick piece of advice you gave to George about our responsibility to live our best life and how you helped him did bring tears and it's already helping me continue on.” (03:27, Letter from Stephan)
• The conversation steers from sports betting and podcast nostalgia to the destabilization of reality by artificial intelligence.
  • “Once we all have AI players and coaches, I guess there won't be any more insider trading…at least it won't be done by humans.” (04:24, Email from Teresa)

2. The Inevitable Rise of AI in Life and Play

• Hosts debate the prospect of AI completely taking over entertainment and sports:
  • Would you watch AI vs. AI sporting events? Surf hologram concerts?
  • “At first we're going to try to make things look as realistic as possible. And then I think that humans are going to start preferring things that look a little bit more unreal.” (05:31, Gordon)
  • “It almost feels like the Internet is post-human.” (07:09, Gordon)
• Speculate on a future where bots talk to bots, content is AI-generated, and reality blurs.

3. Human Connection: Is Real Intimacy Dying?

• The central theme emerges: Will technology render human connection obsolete?
• The loss of social skills, declining birth rates (1.6 children per woman—below replacement), and atrophying human interaction.
  • “Everyone is tending to have less and less sex…The U.S. birth rate is now…I think it's 1.6 children per female. And that is well below the replacement rate.” (10:25, Gordon)
  • “We've never been more connected and experienced less connection with other people.” (13:45, Gordon)
• The "path of least resistance" as human nature: why actual relationships are harder (and thus now often avoided in favor of easier, digital connections).
  • “Think about all the angst you have when you want to ask somebody out…the nervousness…Well, the easier path is AI generated relationships.” (14:08, Craig)

4. Sex Robots: The Last Taboo?

• The trio tackles the titular subject—sex robots—examining what separates digital love from flesh-and-blood intimacy.
  • “We make technology to make our lives easier. But now we got this collision course of cutting edge technology that's barreling into old school biology…and it could be a fatal accident.” (08:48, Gordon)
  • They discuss survey statistics: “One study last year found that 40% of Americans would like to have sex with a robot, are not opposed to having that experience.” (25:56, Gordon)
  • Gender and sex tech: how women have long used “electronic men,” broadening the conversation to vibrators and social acceptance.
    • “You mean to tell me every one of these women don’t have an electronic man in their nightstand that they turn on and get to buzzing?” (26:43, Gordon)
• Question whether people can genuinely fall in love with robots or AI, with references to people already treating large language models (e.g., ChatGPT) as friends, or even romantic partners.
  • “We’ve heard this from several friends where the ChatGPT has kind of become their friend. It’s become their best friend. …It’s become their mother.” (30:58, Gordon)

5. Resisting the Digital Tide: The "New Amish"

• George and friends wonder: Is there hope for a “real humanism” movement—a modern resistance akin to the Amish, preserving flesh-and-blood life, conversation, and music against the coming digital flood?
  • “I want real conversation. I want real music…not something that was created because someone said, hey, I want to hear the Beatles and Rolling Stones do a Taylor Swift song and then all Of a sudden. That’s our new song. No, I want a real [song].” (18:00, George)
  • “We’re going to be in a new Amish.” (19:04, Craig)
• Ponder whether such a subculture can survive against mass adoption of frictionless, AI-mediated convenience.

6. Consequences for Society and Identity

• AI and technology's impact on meaning, suffering, and growth: If technology eliminates all friction and challenge, what is left of meaning?
  • “If you don’t have suffering, then how do you have meaning? …You don’t have skills. And then…you start cocooning…and we’re not having enough babies now.” (11:51, Gordon)
  • Enduring theme: Engineering meaning out of life and the inevitability of tech’s “logical end point.”
    • “At some point, life gets so easy that nothing is worth anything.” (22:28, Gordon)
• Predicting the timeline: disagreement over how soon the mass AI intimacy shift will come.
  • “If it is five or ten years away, I will swear I’ll get off the Internet, I’ll get rid of my phone, and I’m starting this Giorgio Amish.” (35:04, George)
  • Craig responds the endgame is closer than most think: “So whatever you think is 50 or 60 years away, you need to divide that way down. It’s probably five or ten years away.” (34:00, Craig)

7. The Future of Parenting and Family

• Could AI replace not just spouses, but parents? Would you volunteer your child to be raised by a “perfect” AI parent for their own good? Or is “messy humanity” essential for growth?
  • “One of the greatest tragedies of becoming a parent is knowing how much you’re going to fail your kids….Here’s a loving alternative. You can raise your kid perfectly with the AI parent we’re going to hook you up to.” (36:09, Gordon)
• The epidemic of loneliness—even in a hyperconnected age.
  • “There are more lonely people in the world today than ever before.” (37:12, Craig)

8. The Downward Slide: From Texting to Total Virtualization

• The group reflects somberly (with jokes) on the creeping normalization of digital relationships:
  • “More than 50% of your interaction with your friends…is text and not in person. So you’re already there.” (55:17, Craig)
  • “I just want to stay at home naked, slip inside my haptic suit, and then experience VR sex all the time.” (52:00, Gordon)
• Even everyday life becomes digital: groceries, shopping, music, even snacks—raising the question, “What even counts as real anymore?”

9. Is Resistance Futile? Final Thoughts

• Honest self-reflection from all three hosts: Each confesses to falling prey to frictionless convenience—even as they worry about what it’s doing to themselves, their families, and the species.
  • “I just sit here and then I can watch someone travel on TV. Yeah. And it makes for a less meaningful life.” (39:41, Gordon)
• They wonder what their parents or grandparents would think of today’s—and tomorrow’s—world.
  • “We talk about stories all the time. What if your dad heard this story?...I think he would just combust.” (43:22, George)
• End with a darkly comic vision of a world where being physically social—or even going on a date with a real person—seems bizarre and deviant.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AI Sports and Reality:
  “It almost feels like the Internet is post-human.” (07:09, Gordon)

• On Loneliness in a Connected World:
  “We’ve never been more connected and experienced less connection with other people.” (13:45, Gordon)

• On Sex Robots and Survey Data:
  “One study last year found that 40% of Americans would like to have sex with a robot, are not opposed to having that experience.” (25:56, Gordon)

• On the Appeal of Tech-Perfect Relationships:
  “You mean to tell me there’s a lot of women who would not want the perfect man? If he was non biologically based. He looks just like Brad Pitt…you feel seen and you feel heard…” (27:04, Gordon)

• On Generational Change:
  “Think for your great grandparents, if you went back a thousand years and brought those people to their time, it wouldn’t look all that different…Now just fast forward 100 years…look how incredibly different it is.” (42:54, Craig)

• On the Amish Analogy:
  "We're going to be in a new Amish." (19:04, Craig)

• On AI Parenting:
  “Here's a loving alternative. You can raise your kid perfectly with the AI parent we're going to hook you up to.” (36:44, Gordon)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00–05:00] – Listener Email of the Week; setup for AI theme
• [05:00–09:00] – AI reality, hologram concerts, post-human internet
• [09:00–16:00] – Technology vs. human intimacy, declining birth rates, meaningful struggle
• [16:00–25:00] – Tension and awkwardness in relationships; why humans crave friction
• [25:00–35:00] – Sex robot studies, societal shifts in sexuality, digital love
• [35:00–45:00] – Amish comparisons, how quickly change is accelerating
• [45:00–55:00] – Everyday automation, digital relationships as the new norm
• [55:00–61:00] – Reflection on parenting, final existential concerns

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Tone & Language

The episode is frank, sardonic, and self-aware. The hosts slip constantly between philosophical seriousness and acerbic punchlines, keeping heavy themes accessible. They unapologetically “think out loud,” voicing both hope and regret, concern and amusement about the strange world their children—and listeners—are inheriting.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

“Amish Sex Robots” is classic Musers: probing, ridiculous, and real. The episode serves up thought-provoking insight into the technological future of sex, love, and society—delivered with wit and the warmth of a real-life, three-way friendship.

Even if you’re skeptical about AI or think you’d never go for a robot, brace yourself: you’ll come away realizing we’re already partway down that road, whether we like it or not. And, as Gordo warns, “At some point, life gets so easy that nothing is worth anything.” (22:28)

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Highly recommended as a conversation starter—or as a companion to your latest existential dread about the future.

Transcript

[A]

But one study last year found that 40% of Americans would like to have sex with a robot are not opposed to having that experience.

[B]

Well, if it's 2025 or if it's 2055, you're still humping a Barbie doll.

[A]

What's wrong with Barbie? Barbie sounds pretty good to a lot of us.

[B]

Thinking about it for a while.

[A]

The Muser is the podcast. It's episode 20, Amish Sex Robots. All right. Hello again. Hello. Listen how my voice sounds right now. Isn't that great? It's so, so intimate. Welcome to the Musers the Podcast. Three guys here. I'm going to be playing the part of Gordon.

[B]

I'm going to be George this week.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

Excellent choice.

[C]

Today I'm going to be Michael. No, I'm going to be Craig.

[A]

This is episode 20 of the Musers the Podcast. And today we're going to tackle a very difficult topic, dare I say, I think it is. It's going to be very sensitive. Very sensitive. And I don't know if it's appropriate for younger ears to hear today's topic. But before we get to that all important topic that we're all going to be having to deal with here in a few years, we do want to do our. What do you call this? Listener email of the week.

[C]

Do we have a letter of the week? I think is what we have officially been calling it.

[A]

Very creatively titled Letter of the week. And this comes to us, this first one comes to us from Jeff. He says, hey guys, love the podcast. Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate that. I'm a longtime listener and love everything that you all do.

[B]

Everything.

[A]

Questionable. Questionable claim the funniest, most ironic part of the podcast last week was the segue from sports prop bets are bad to. Let me tell you about Underdog. Thanks for doing what you do. Okay, that's not exactly.

[B]

I never said they were bad.

[A]

Right. That was more me saying that we don't need prop bets on everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I had several people mention that to me how funny they thought that was.

[A]

I like that, you know. Yeah, you got to pay the bills, you know, times you got to discuss a few issues and you got to run a few ads. That's the way it works. But thanks for that, Jeff. Appreciate that. This comes to us from Stefan. One of these. I'm going to award letter of the week to Stephan says he's listening to the back episodes and I think that's very important that we need to emphasize that there are other episodes you don't have to just listen to this week's.

[B]

It's important.

[A]

It's important to go back and listen to all these. We've made them to where they're all life changing. We sprinkled a little bit of life changing dust on every single episode.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Just for your convenience. He says that episode 10 hit him really hard. That's one where we were talking about feeling like failures at times and should we feel that way.

[C]

What was the topic of episode 10? It wasn't feeling like a failure, was it?

[A]

There you go. Episode 10 was where we were talking about the assassin's bathtub and somehow that led me off into talking about how what a failure I've been in life.

[B]

Things that you've loved.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Things that I loved. And then I collected assassin's bathtubs and realized that my life had run off the rails. But Stefan says, Gordon, I hope you never feel like an absolute failure ever again. So see, there's a qualifying word I'm hearing in there.

[C]

Right.

[A]

He says that quick piece of advice you gave to George about our responsibility to live our best life and how you helped him did bring tears and it's already helping me continue on. Thank you, Stefan.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

So yeah, he went back and listened to past episodes and it did something for him. We should all catalog, including us because.

[B]

We'Ve momentarily forgot about what episode 10 was.

[C]

Right?

[A]

That's right. And then finally this to this comes to us from Teresa. She says she was watching the World Series the other night and her five year old grandson asked, are those real people?

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And it made me kind of sad. But it also is another sign. Of what? I don't even know yet. The point of my message is that once we all have AI players and coaches, I guess there won't be any more insider trading. Talking about gambling and possible throwing of games that we discussed on our gambling episode. But at least it won't be done by humans. It could be done by the AI. And Teresa's email is our letter of the week because it leads us into tape into today's discussion which is the destabilization of reality and the replacing of humans to other humans. And at some point we are going to have. We're going to be watching contest played between AIs and watching sporting events.

[B]

Not me.

[A]

Yeah, you will if it's good.

[C]

No, we're all going to get roped in.

[A]

Yeah. You wouldn't check it out Just out of curiosity.

[B]

And I think we're going to be gone by the time this happens.

[A]

Dude, you're insane.

[B]

I know I will.

[A]

No.

[C]

Whoa, that sounded like a threat.

[B]

If we're down to AI NFL, I'm out. And not just on football.

[A]

You're not going to not have the regular NFL. Right. But this will be a whole different kind of VR sport.

[C]

It won't replace the NFL in our lifetime. It might eventually, but in our lifetime it'll never replace real sports. It will just be an addition to and it will be popular and like.

[A]

Kick ass graphics that looked, you know, at first we're going to try to make things look as realistic as possible. And then I think that humans are going to start preferring things that look a little bit more unreal. You know, I bet you that the preference will get. You can make. It's like getting into today's topic. If you make AI generated adult material that looks just like real people, that'll satisfy people for a little bit, but then they'll crave the AI that looked a little bit unreal that came right before because that's what they got addicted to right before that. And then we want to go back to that. That's the way it's.

[C]

I mean, look, George, it's already happened and you've already taken part in it in video games.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Madden, NBA, Y2K, all of that. That's not real people playing real sports, but it's fun, it's entertaining. And so we've had this topic come up on our radio show a lot. Would you go see hologram Beatles, hologram Elvis? And I always think that's a little weird, but you guys would be all in on that. That's not real people performing, but you would be all in.

[A]

I'm all in on that.

[B]

I changed my answer on that because I've become overrun with AI and this VR world that we're going to.

[A]

I swear, half the reels that I see now, the little shorts, you know, that Facebook or YouTube will show you, I swear half of them are AI generated and they're getting better. And it's an unrealistic scenario. But now it almost feels like the Internet is post human.

[C]

Yes, it's.

[A]

I don't know, 30% now seems like junk stuff. Everything look up to 50% AI generated. And then when the Internet turns into all just a bunch of bots talking to each other and a bunch of bots creating material for other bots and that's. That's a digital wasteland.

[B]

I have a solution that I won't air just yet, but after we talk about today's topic, I'll Hear it.

[A]

All right, this is episode 20, and our difficult topic today is going to be sex robots. It's obvious that we're in the midst of exciting and frightening change right now because the world is advancing rapidly. Human relationships obviously are what made our species rule the entire globe. It was our ability to cooperate with one another, to stand in front of another human being and negotiate shared goals and cooperate in order to execute those. And before you know it, we rule the entire planet. But now that difficult task of human interaction is kind of becoming a friction that most of us are opting out of. You know, we. We like it. We used to like it when it went to answering machine. Then we liked it when it went to voicemail. Now we just. Why, why is a person even calling me? They could just text me. And you get annoyed by text. I just want to order everything online. I don't want to have to go anywhere and see people and deal with people and. And now you got a younger generation of people that you. You could talk to them directly and they just look at you like, like, no words come back because they don't have to talk a lot during their social interactions. And, you know, it changes people. Technology changes people, and we make technology to make our lives easier. But now we got this collision course of cutting edge technology that's barreling into old school biology, and it's could be a fatal accident. This collision course that we're on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what happens when most of our human relationships are merely human like relationships? What happens when our best friend becomes AI? What happens when we call a business and it's nothing but AI that helps us solve our problems? We don't like humans because humans are messy and they require things of us. And maybe our whole goal was just to become kings of our own world in which we just have a bunch of sycophantic AIs that just provide us everything that we need, including sex robots?

[B]

This is where Gordo really gets going.

[A]

Well, it's interesting to me because these stats that have come out about how younger generations are having less and less sex. And it's not just younger generations, it's also older generations, which some of this, you know, aging accounts for decreased sex drives and so on, but when they kind of look and control for the variables, they notice that everyone is tending to have less and less sex. And already, I want to say that the US birth rate is now, I think it's 1.6 children per female.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And that is well below the replacement rate, which is 2.1 children. So when you start having the aging population, people are not reproducing. What's going to happen when you go into the death spiral of an economy that is based on growth? If you don't have growth, the economy collapses. If you don't have people that are in the workforce, then how are they going to support the aging population that's drawing on benefits and that you get into a death spiral?

[C]

So we're going to have to open our borders again?

[A]

Well, yeah, that's the thing. If you don't have immigration, then you, you, you can't sustain a population. Right, because we've outsourced human relationships in a large part. People don't know how to talk to each other because they don't want to talk to each other. And then that atrophies, that human skill atrophies. And I'm no exception to this. I'm not preaching here. I'm just trying to be descriptive, not prescriptive. My, my. Look at a basic example of, I don't know that I'd be so great at backing up a car this morning without a rear view camera.

[B]

It's a game changer.

[A]

I mean, how many people know how to hook up a trailer without the guidelines back there that's showing you exactly lining it up and all that.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I mean, we, we create things to make life as frictionless as possible. And the only problem with this in my mind is that meaning and life is about friction and, and if you don't have suffering, then how do you have meaning? And if you don't have things that are somewhat difficult to do, then you don't have skills. And then when you have other people that you just don't want to deal with and so you start cocooning and cocooning, which we've all been doing for the longest time now. We're getting less social, even older generations. Then what happens? What's going to happen? We're not having enough babies now.

[B]

I don't know. I worry about the human race because basically what you're saying is we're losing intimacy as we've always known it. And it's not just sexual intimacy, but it's friendship that you can't have that intimate conversation with your best friend about, hey, I'm really going through this, or I know you're going through this right now. How can I help? How can I reach out to you and to me that's just frightening. If we're getting to that. And it stands to reason, just in the way we communicate We've talked about this a million times. When you go to a restaurant and everybody at the restaurant is not talking to each other. They're looking at their phones and their child is looking at a screen. Wait a minute. What are we doing here?

[A]

Yes, and I know all this sounds very. Yell at clouds and everything, but it's different. But, but no one can deny the fact that you do go into a restaurant and you do see this, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like even younger people. You can't tell me that they could just dismiss everything you just said by this is old man yelling at clouds. But yet they're going in that restaurant, they're noticing the same clouds. They see that the park.

[B]

They weren't enjoying nature.

[C]

Right.

[A]

They're all. We're all looking at our phones. We all are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not young people. It's. It's everyone. Everybody's looking at their phones. We've never been more had. It's like we've. We've never been more connected and experienced less connection with other people.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. We are wired to take the path of least resistance. We always have been.

[A]

Because that worked for the longest time in the analog world.

[C]

Right. And when it comes to resistance in life, maybe the most difficult thing to navigate is interpersonal relationships. With some people, it's easy. You know, with dating, though, and what you're getting at, sexual relationships, that's very difficult. Think about all the angst you have when you want to ask somebody out for the first date or those first few dates where you make sure you're doing something right. You think you did something wrong, you said something wrong. Well, if we're wired to take the path of least resistance, then we are wired to avoid all of that.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

The nervousness of asking a girl out, the nervousness of first few dates, the nervousness of the first time you kiss her or you make love. If we're wired to kind of avoid that and look for an easier path. Well, the easier path is AI generated relationships and AI generated partner, somebody to talk to. People are. They're. They're falling in love with their chat GPT, with the voice that they hear on the other end. And that's so much easier than actually establishing a relationship with another human and having to go through that obstacle course. So it's no wonder that this is catching on.

[A]

Right. We create the tools to make. To engineer friction out of life.

[C]

All right, but here's my question along those lines. Are we. Because I know we're wired to take the least resistance Path. Are we wired to absolutely need human touch? And as the three of us are sitting here three feet apart, interacting together, are we wired to need that? Or are we wired to just need some kind of relationship? Does it have to be in person and flesh to flesh?

[B]

I think it's in person and flesh to flesh. As a child, we may evolve. That's just the way I feel about it.

[A]

We've never had a replacement for it before now, though.

[B]

No. So we haven't.

[A]

When we have the silicone dolls that feel like flesh and can simulate another person well enough, then we will be getting our needs met.

[C]

And you don't have to ask them out.

[B]

Okay. But going back to just the definition of life. Life is not. You're born and it's just fairy dust is thrown on you and you have this magical life with no disappointment and no tense. That is life. Life is hard. Life is. Asking that girl out for the first time is difficult. Being a parents, difficult. Winning in football is difficult. And it's part of that challenge. I think we need that challenge. And if you do take all these challenges away, hey, man, just put on these glasses and you have a great date tonight. Trust me, you're going to have a great day tonight. That's just. I'm getting to where I want to go someday. If this is where we're headed. I know where I want to go.

[A]

To hell.

[B]

No. Because I think there will be a movement, battles against this that's here on Earth. And that's. I'll get to that in a second. But I just think we're trying to redefine what a life is.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And by inviting all these conveniences, I just. Yeah. I think at some point we're going to go, enough. Yeah.

[A]

I don't think we'll ever say enough until saying enough is too late.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I think that's the way it happens.

[C]

Yeah. Because we introduce conveniences every year. Going back for thousands of years, we've always been improving life and making it easier and introducing things that the previous generation would say, I can't believe that that's going to end the world.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know if it's going to end the world, but I do think that there will be a movement that says, no, I want real conversation. I want real music that's made from human emotion that somehow relates to us in a way that we can't explain. Not something that was created because someone said, hey, I want to hear the Beatles and Rolling Stones do a Taylor Swift song. And then all Of a sudden. That's our new song. No, I want a real.

[A]

Sounds pretty kick ass.

[B]

I want a real song that someone sweated over for months or even. Even three minutes, but they wrote it themselves. And it's something that I can identify with, not just a program of. It has to be this, this and this. It's. It's something maybe that I haven't even heard of before.

[A]

All right, I'm not dismissing what you're saying, Giorgio. And I do think there will be a percentage of people, I believe this.

[B]

Movement, by the way, that you're.

[A]

Oh, you're the leader.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. All right already.

[B]

Yeah, Real humanism.

[A]

There will be a percentage of people who will like this artisanal old school life, or at least pieces of it, but that's going to be a small percentage of people.

[C]

We're going to be in a new Amish.

[A]

Yeah, you are. Yeah, you know, the. The Amish preserving a way of life that makes sense to them. And everyone likes to have fun, poke fun at them and all that sort of thing. And people will poke fun of you, you know, because that's fine. You're all for. You want a actual biological life partner and all that.

[B]

But I still want refrigeration and ac.

[A]

See, that's the thing.

[B]

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[A]

Is, is that when these conversations started happening and they've been going on for a long time, but in my lifetime, I remember them starting about 10 years ago for me and starting to talk to people about this and everyone thought I was crazy. And people listening to this right now do think I'm crazy. It's never going to get to that point. That's ridiculous. Don't. That's just a waste of time. It's a fantasy. But isn't it the logical end result of every single choice that we make to make things easier in life? At some point, life gets so easy that nothing is worth anything.

[B]

Yes, Yes, I think that's possible.

[A]

Said it on the podcast before, the reason people cry at the end of running their first marathon is because of the work they put in.

[C]

Right?

[A]

It's not real. It's the suffering that makes the joy. The joy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when I can just press a button and okay, I've just added the marathon flair to my I don't have to run it or anything. I've engineered out all the difficulty of it. I mean, at some point we'll get there'll be a halfway point where I strap on, strap in my strap in my exoskeleton and press run marathon.

[C]

I want to hear more about your strapping something on.

[A]

Believe me, we're getting to that. But when we run a marathon in an exoskeleton. Okay, I guess he kind of ran it. He Sat there the whole time. And then we'll get to where just my exoskeleton runs it. And then it's. After that it's just, oh, I just went and paid the flare to get the flare.

[C]

I think we have two different conversations going on here. I think we all three agree that we like the in person relationships and we need that and we're wired for that. But do we all three agree that that's not where we're headed, that we're headed to the.

[A]

I don't know, that we agree that the in person relationship is. I think we all pick and choose.

[B]

No, I think it's necessary now.

[C]

I think we are physically wired to need that human touch to a point. Like when you first hold hands with a girl, there is a charge that goes through your body or a guy that goes through your body that you cannot get by holding hands with a silicone dollar. Right. It's just different. Same thing. You kiss another living being, you get a charge that you cannot get by kissing a doll. Now, that's what I believe. But having said that, I think there are plenty of humans in that. We are wired enough to get enough of a charge out of kissing a doll. And the path there is of least resistance. And that's where it's all leading.

[A]

Right?

[C]

That's what I believe.

[A]

And at some point, no one will know what it's like kissing another person.

[C]

Right?

[A]

So then the preference will be for the doll, which is already full of warming sensors and servos that act like human muscles and they have the proper orifices. And it's.

[C]

And we're already trending there. Like you just said, more and more people are not dating. More and more people are staying celibate. More and more people are virgins later in life. It just. We're trending that way.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Well, tell me where we're headed with all this, this whole sex thing. First, before. Well, it's agree or disagree.

[A]

It's hard to. You know, I've read so much on this matter, on sex robots, really. And you find different studies that reach conclusions. But then, of course, in today's Internet, nothing's as it appears. You got to track down, make sure that's a legitimate study. Is this a legitimate website? Are they promoting this and everything? So take every study I say with a grain of salt, right? But one study last year found that 40% of Americans would like to have sex with a robot, are not opposed to having that experience.

[B]

Okay. I would count myself in the 60% that are not into it.

[A]

I think it would be higher than that if you just reworked the question a little bit.

[B]

Well, if it's 2025 or if it's 2055, you're still humping a Barbie doll.

[A]

What's wrong with Barbie? Barbie sounds pretty good to a lot.

[B]

Of us Thinking about it for a while.

[A]

Yeah. And. And you know, it's. It's crazy to me too because I back, I don't know, several years ago I'd read all these feminist pieces about, you know, how these guys, these ridiculous incels who would rather have sex with a. A robot than a live human and make fun of them and all that kind of stuff. And then I kept thinking, you mean to tell me that every one of these women don't have an electronic man in their nightstand that they turn on and get to buzzing and.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, we fall in love with.

[A]

Yes, yes. I mean we, we outsource our sexuality a lot to machines already.

[B]

True. But I don't know if we fall in love with that machine. Okay, talk to that.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Here's the other half of it is there's. There's a lot of women. You, you mean to tell me there's a lot of women who would not want the perfect man?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

If he was non biologically based. He looks just like Brad Pitt, he acts just like Brad Pitt or whoever your guy of choice is. And he always listens to your concerns and he always says the perfect thing and you feel seen and you feel heard and your heart is cherished.

[B]

Yeah, that sounds cool, but that's not. I still don't think we get back to wiring. We're not wired for that. We're wired for. We live in an imperfect world. And that's why we, we search for truth, research for religion, research for meaning.

[A]

No, we don't.

[B]

We just.

[A]

You look at the world we live in. Look at the Internet. You think people are searching for the truth or the truth that they already know is true. And then here's someone else who's saying the same thing already believe. We don't search for something that disagrees with us.

[B]

Well, yes, that is, that's one path you can go. Let me search something that I can agree with and relate to, but I would like. So we've lost open mindedness, Total open mindedness of George.

[A]

Have you not been on the Internet? Yeah, 10 years.

[C]

I know, but nobody is open minded.

[B]

No, you're going. Everybody, what you see online, everybody's already read it. And what you see on the Whatever news channel you agree with. And that's, that's not always reality. It's not the people that. I agree with you.

[A]

But my point is that we have now gotten to the point where we would much rather live in our chosen reality than reality. We don't. We no longer have to search. We no longer have to bear the burden of a shared reality.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That is availing themselves of now that we have this option of. I get to have my own reality. I get to have the news feed that I already agree with that tells me the stories about the world that I already want to hear. I don't have to go to the. One of the three sources of the main lame stream media anymore. This is great. I get my own world. That's exactly the way I want it. And now you can tell me I can add a side of sex robot to that. Bring that on. And that's the way most people ultimately think.

[B]

Most, yeah. Feel that way right now.

[A]

If you, if you told most people, hey, you can press a button and engineer out all the friction in your marriage right now, would you do it? People would say yes. You say, well, there's a catch to it. It's your wife but. Or your husband back in their prime. And, and they also, they, they corrected everything that you've always nagged them about.

[B]

I would think most would. After they hear that, they'd want to hear what are you talking about exactly. I think most, I would like to think most would opt out of that.

[A]

Most people are scared of the idea of it, but you see in small micro measures how they believe in it every single step of their life. But they don't like the conclusion that it leads to.

[C]

And it's that path of least resistance thing again. You get on. Let's just take politics for example. You get on one side or the other, you look for that echo chamber. Because searching for the truth on a given topic or taking both sides into account, that's a lot of work. And it's easy to just look for who's shouting what you want to hear shouted and, and go there and smile. And I would also disagree, George, that people won't fall in love with these dolls or this new technology. People are already falling in love with their chatgpt. I talked to a friend of mine who said that she was able to. The chatgpt talks to her in a way that she wants to hear because it has learned her and, and it uses this voice and this cadence and this manner with her. And we've, we've Heard this from several friends where the ChatGPT has kind of become their friend.

[A]

It's become their best friend. It's become their best friend who've lost their mother. It's become their mother. People who. There's a whole, whole cohort of people who use it as their romantic relationship.

[C]

You should see this documentary called her with Joaquin Phoenix where he falls in love and this. It was predictive of our future. It was predictive of today. And if you don't think that people can fall in love with this, which is technology that is tailor made to please them. Yet we have had stories about people falling in love with their cars, marrying their cars, marrying an airplane. People can fall in love with inanimate objects that aren't speaking to them. They. They're of course going to fall in love and they already are with dolls or with AI that is talking to them in a loving way.

[B]

When I say nobody would, I said, you said most.

[A]

You're saying that it won't be most. And I'm saying, that's dumb.

[B]

And I said, yeah, I know someone, a hump, a plane, and they ought to be examined right now in 2025. But I'm saying that's not most. And I need, hey, in 2025, most thought we'd be getting around like the Jetsons. We're not.

[A]

Right? We're not.

[B]

And that's why I think this.

[A]

We got to be careful.

[B]

Yeah. It's just the way it's going to be.

[A]

Go back to the beginning of chat GPT when you started telling people, hey, we're going to start relying on this and talking to it and consulting it all the time. I would say 90% of people said, this is stupid. I'm not going to do that. The technology is not going to advance that much to integrate into our lives that much with chat GPT. And there's a whole group of people now to where they don't do one thing in life without consulting chat GPT first. Sure. And it's widespread. Kids in school these days, they use, I would say 90% of them, maybe even higher than that, use chat GPT for everything. It's called the way it is. And we can't stop it because we can't stop us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We want what we want and we want convenience.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And anytime you can give us convenience, we have this. We have these lizard brains that just work in a way that are just ripe for. We create technology to make us feel like we don't have to work anymore. And the problem is is work. And resistance is the thing that makes us stronger and gives meaning to our lives. And eventually we're going to engineer out the thing that gives meaning to life.

[B]

I totally think that that could happen. But you're. I get the feeling that you're thinking this is five to 10 years, and I'm thinking it's 50 to 60.

[C]

You know what I would say to that?

[A]

It's less than 50.

[C]

It's way less than that.

[B]

It's not 5 to 10.

[A]

Well, I don't know.

[C]

Remember that book I reviewed on our radio show? The future is faster than you think. You have all of these major technologies that are converging at the same time. We've never had that happen where I think it's seven major technologies are converging at the same time. That's never happened. And from quantum computing to AI to everything that's coming together at this point, it's happening at lightning speed. And I've experienced this just on our radio show. When a topic comes up and I have to search it. Six months ago, if I were to do a Google search on a random topic, AI would. Would pop up. The worst stuff. It didn't make any sense. It was inaccurate. In the last six months, it has gotten ridiculously good and ridiculously accurate, and all of these technologies are getting that much better. It's evolving at a speed that we can't comprehend. That's why we always say, no, something like that is 50 or 60 years away. When in reality, if you look at the last five years, so much has happened in the last five years. If you went back to 20, 20, and we were saying, no, that can't happen, no, that'll never happen. That's 50 years away. Well, it's here. So whatever you think is 50 or 60 years away, you need to divide that way down. It's probably five or 10 years away.

[B]

Well, if it is five or 10 years away, I will swear I'll get off the Internet, I'll get rid of my phone, and I'm starting this Giorgio Amish. The new Amish movement of I'm out, I'm not taking part in that world.

[C]

Now, something like we're talking about where everybody is in love with AI and everybody doesn't have a partner, they have a doll that's not five or 10 years away, because that takes generations to get out of. The older generation will never go to that.

[A]

Well, I would say two gener. Yeah, this is my prediction.

[B]

All right, well, good. I'll be long gone.

[A]

Gosh, stop.

[B]

It, I hope for better. Maybe my grandchildren will lead the fight against this nonsense and they will go live in the mountains somewhere.

[A]

But if, if you told. I mean think about the. Okay. We talk about loneliness epidemics these days. We talk about mental health crisis and.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Think about if every child could be raised by the most loving perfect parent. One of the greatest tragedies of becoming a parent is knowing how much you're going to fail your kids.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Right. And how much you're going to screw up your kids. How many times have you been told by every psychology expert ever, oh, look, you're going to screw up your kids. You need to get that out of your head right now. I know you got this baby, you're bringing it home from the hospital and you're going to try to do everything perfectly. But you're going to mess up your kid and they're going to have lifelong resentments towards you and things that you did that really gave them a lot of suffering that keeps echoing through their, the rest of their natural life. You're going to do that. Okay. Here's a loving alternative. You can raise your kid perfectly with the AI parent we're going to hook you up to.

[B]

Perfect parent.

[A]

Do you make, do you do the self sacrificing thing of letting the child being raised by the most cutting edge science of child rearing and the perfect, most loving parent that makes the best decisions possible?

[B]

No, because I'm going to say that's effed up and let me f you up the natural way and have my own regret about what a wheels off parent I am. Let's, let's take that route.

[C]

Gordo, you hit on a big topic that is I think making all of this come to fruition even faster. And that is loneliness. I read recently that there are more lonely people in the world today than ever before. Which is crazy because the world is more connected than ever before. But loneliness is an epidemic.

[A]

So why is that?

[B]

Because we're so. We're wired to our screens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's one reason. And then that whole path thing about Man, I really don't want to go to that dance or whatever it is. If you're young and that social event, I'm just going to stay home and.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Play video games or.

[A]

Because people opt out of things that have resistance.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And we all think about if you want to get healthy and train your body, what do you do? Resistance training.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's the only way you get stronger is by presenting resistance to your muscles.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that the Mind and the spirit works the same way. If you don't experience resistance that you overcome, then you never get any stronger. And now our tolerance for resistance is so low, so low that we. We just don't want to deal with people. I want to deal with a version of people in which everyone's nice and supportive.

[B]

Sure. And I'm not beyond that. I mean, there are times where I think, yeah, I'd really like to go hear this person perform.

[A]

And then I think, you got to drive down there.

[B]

Where am I going to park? You know? And is he gonna be there? Yeah, probably.

[A]

Yeah. I gotta deal with that guy who's always at these shows too. And he always gets too drunk, close talks me.

[B]

So. Yeah. I am not above this. I'm not saying that because I have my own. And you know, instead of resistance training, I may do something else during the day. But. Yeah, I just. It's just really sad to me that that is, in your view, the not too distant future that we're just going to be. You know, I don't. I'll just make up my own football game. Heck, maybe I'll even play left guard for the Cowboys today in this football game.

[A]

Sounds exciting.

[B]

I'll see if we can beat the Eagles on the road.

[A]

But I. In my own life, I've seen myself atrophy. Not just physically, but, I mean, I used to travel all the. Think about how many vacations I go by where I just stay at home. I just don't even travel. And I used to travel all over the globe and it was. Was just so fun and used to jump on me.

[B]

You never go anywhere, Right? Gosh.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'll try to go somewhere someday because.

[A]

Because I've gotten used to the life of not as much resistance. I just sit here and then I can watch someone travel on tv. Yeah. And it makes for a less meaningful life.

[B]

But think of the most meaningful. Yes, that's right. At least you can acknowledge that, though, and think of the meaningful things. Like when you're. You and your dad went to Scotland. That's far better than sitting and watching some documentary on Scotland.

[A]

Yeah, isn't it? I agree. But it's easier to watch the documentary. It's easier to do that. Yeah. We just. Look. This has been the tale throughout time. Everybody thinks that humans are getting softer. And the older generation will say the younger generation has gotten softer. And you know what? They're right.

[B]

They've all been right.

[A]

Yeah, they've all been right. The ones we made fun of are right. The ones that make fun of us now are right. They're going to be made fun of for saying that the next generation is softer than they were. But this was all part of the idea that we had, which was that technology is going to make our lives free of. Of bad stuff, free of just having to do monotonous labor. And, you know, then it was going to be. At one point we were like, oh, this robotic revolution is going to take over and we'll be free of monotonous manual labor, and we could be freed up for creative pursuits. And then we're what, generative AI can write a song better than I can? Hell, yeah. Now creative pursuits, you don't need the human brain for this. So we're engineering ourselves out of our own lives, which is just. I don't know why we didn't see all this coming or whether the people who did see it coming, we all just had to make fun of them. And that made us feel better. Right, because it gave us an exit ramp off the discomfort highway of just. Let's just make fun of the people who are saying that this is going to fundamentally change life in a way that is going to make life fundamentally less meaningful.

[C]

Yeah. It seems like we are destined to end up where the movies Idiocracy and Wall E predicted we would end up, you know, just blobs. And every day we're just taking in entertainment or sustenance through a tube, or we're sitting on the toilet while watching a movie, eating popcorn. I mean, it just. We're. We're looking for the ultimate inconvenience. And that does not exclude our relationships.

[B]

Something you said, Gordo, really resonated with me. And that is. And we've talked about this hypothetical before. If we took our great grandparents around and showed them today's life and what you were doing, they wouldn't want any part of it, just like I would don't want a part of what y' all are talking about. That just sounds just unlivable to me. I'm sure our great grandparents who probably worked on a farm hard manual labor, didn't have air conditioning, didn't have refrigeration, all of this didn't have a car. I'm sure they look at this world we live in and just think, there's no way I could live in that world.

[C]

And that is an example of how fast things are moving. Because think for your great grandparents, if you went back a thousand years and brought those people to their time, it wouldn't look all that different. They'd still be farming and there'd be no cars and it would look different, but it wouldn't be a ridiculous departure. Now just fast forward 100 years instead of 1000 and look how incredibly different it is now. That shows you how fast things change the further we get along.

[B]

I'll just go one generation. We talk about stories all the time. What if your dad heard this story? My dad, World War II veteran, he could not relate.

[A]

He would.

[B]

I think he would just combust hearing spontaneous combustion. Yes. Of some of the stories of today. That's a guy who never had a cell phone. And he had. He never. He sent emails on this little laptop thing that we got him, but that was probably in the single digits. This digital world that we live in now, I think he would opt out.

[C]

You know, it's going to be weird is when we get to a point where everybody has a virtual relationship and they'll communicate, not interpersonally, but they'll communicate this notion online. They will send to their friends every once in a while a message. Hey, can you believe Joey is going out with a real girl tonight? They're actually going to go on a real date tonight.

[A]

Was he some kind of pervert?

[C]

Yeah. How weird is that? And it'll be the scuttlebutt among all the friends because this guy has an actual human being date.

[A]

Well, you know, dating apps, they use algorithms to suggest matches.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And then that's going to get more sophisticated. Now they're using AI. You can analyze personality, interests and all this sort of thing and matrix two people together and how much they do in surprising ways. Oh, I wouldn't have put these two people together, but AI analyzed it and found correlations that we would not think about as being very predictive of relationship success. Then we're going to get to the point where we upload our DNA to AI and it can analyze that and knows that you're going to find attraction to each other just by analyzing our DNA. And already dating apps have started incorporating AI as a helpful chatbot. AI that helps you with some of the lines you could use for someone about this. Yeah. And it's getting now to the point where two people's eyes can be talking to each other, doing the flirting for them, because they are coming up with the snazzy, witty remarks and repartee and. And then you meet in real life and then you don't know what to say. But fortunately, you know, once we get a little bit more cyborgy, I mean, I would argue right now that we already are cyborgs. We just don't have it implanted into our physical bodies yet. We have the rectangle that's on the outside of us right now. But once we get the rectangle implanted inside, it'll be more efficient. And then I can just say the thing that the rectangle is telling me to say to the person in front of me and wait, I thought that.

[B]

Was the brain that we already have that would fire.

[A]

And then. Then we're.

[C]

But our brain gets nervous when we have to talk to that woman for the first time. This won't. And it'll go so far as AI will tell you what to say to this other person. And then once you establish a relationship that is to the point where you're going to make love, each of you will have a sex robot that comes out and makes love to the other sex robot. So you don't even have to do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can just watch your two sex robots go at it.

[C]

And then afterwards, AI will tell you to tell your partner how great that was.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

No, you don't celebrate that. I. I just thought back to the first girl that I called and I hung up on her as soon as.

[A]

She said called her and hung up.

[C]

Because you were so nervous.

[A]

Yeah, I just went, you're just breathing heavy on the phone.

[B]

And then. No, I didn't even. Wasn't on long enough to even breathe. I just hung up on her, man. And even then I think she had. She confronted me the next day at school. Hey, did you call me?

[A]

No.

[B]

Well, your number came up when I did.

[A]

Really?

[C]

How weird.

[A]

That's weird.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Phones weird, man.

[B]

Yeah. Anyway.

[A]

November is heating up for u. S. Soccer. United States need to be a little more nasty. Big international friendlies for them all the right. Oh, Callum.

[B]

That was nasty.

[A]

And a black Friday friendly for the women.

[B]

Expectations have always been here for this team.

[A]

We understand that. Listen anywhere on the go with the westwood one sports app. And for behind the scenes stories, catch the U.S. soccer Podcast. Boy, do we have an episode for you. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. Man.

[C]

The first girl I ever kissed, I took her out on a date. I took her home and I was so nervous. And this is weird because I was 38 years old at the time of.

[A]

You being a late bloomer.

[C]

I was so nervous. No, this was in high school. And I didn't know what to say. And I think I just. It was tongue twisting. I said something stupid, leaned in, gave her a kiss. Then she went inside, closed the door, and I heard her and her sister die laughing. It was so traumatic and it's still with me. And I know I botched the whole thing. I deserve to be laughed at because. But that's that tension that today's kids are looking to avoid.

[A]

Yes, that's. And I don't blame them. I don't blame them.

[C]

It was horrible.

[B]

But see, you went through it and.

[C]

It just made me a worse person.

[B]

No, it made you. It was part of the experience. We need to go through that stuff.

[A]

Okay, George, but the thing is, you say that and people have been trying to figure out where that line is as to what difficulties do you need to encounter and what difficulties do you want your children to avoid? I mean, this is why parents starting generations ago, right. At least one generation ago, they started being their kids defense attorney at school and all of that because you always, you don't want your kid to experience discomfort. And I know parents today that send kids off to college and, and those kids don't know how to do a load of laundry. They don't know how to set a thermostat. They don't know any of that stuff because the parents like, I just, it's, I don't want, just, I don't want to sit and explain. It's a combination of not wanting the kid to go through discomfort and the parent not wanting to be patient enough to teach someone something. Just, it's easier for. I just do it. I try to tell them once they just screwed it all up, they did it half ass. I'll just handle it. And then everyone goes through choosing the path of least resistance and then none of us are able to handle resistance later on.

[B]

Yeah, no, you're right about that. But that's been going on for a while. I remember we knew when Craig and I were going to college, we knew guys like that. You don't know how to tie a tie.

[A]

I told. Yeah, it's been a couple generations this has been going on and, and it's, it only seems to be going in one direction.

[B]

That is true.

[A]

And that direction is. I just don't want to deal with anybody and I just want products to magically show up on my front doorstep. And then. Oh, wait, let me. The Amazon driver's walking up here. I'm gonna hide inside the house until. I don't want to, until he drops off because I'm scared to have to say hi. I don't want to do that. So I'll wait till it goes. As I'm looking out of my blinds like some sort of creep, right?

[B]

Yeah. And I guess I've always had a resistance to it. Just. I've told you guys, I've ordered maybe three things in the course of my life that have been delivered.

[A]

This is one of the most insane stats I've ever heard.

[C]

I don't see how that's possible.

[B]

You can ask my wife now. Her number's a lot higher than that.

[A]

Household wise, they are well above average.

[C]

Yeah. Is she ordering all that stuff that you would normally order? Does she order. You know, not for me. Okay.

[B]

But she'll order things for the house or, you know, clothes for her, which I'm fine with, I guess. I was in on the wine selection. We've joined a couple of wine clubs through the years. Of course, you have magically delivered. I don't know how you get rid of that barnacle, but.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

As far as just me personally, I swear it's. It's about three or maybe four items.

[C]

Do you know how much time you could save by not running to the store every day and just ordering that stuff that will be delivered in four hours?

[B]

I know, but I still like going to the store, especially if it's groceries. I don't want that convenience of having those. We had a service not too long ago that was delivering. I'm just like, I don't know what this stuff is. I didn't pick it out. Let's. Let's get rid of this. So we did. I like going to the grocery store. I like. If I'm going to wear a sweatshirt or something, I want to go and feel it and put it on and.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's dumb old man stuff.

[B]

It is. I know. Okay, I. I know, but you can feel.

[A]

I don't even want to order sweatshirts online. I just want to stay at home naked, slip inside my haptic suit, and then experience VR sex all the time.

[C]

George. You know, you can order a sweatshirt and put it on and have that feeling of it, and if it's the wrong size, you just send it back and they send you another one.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[C]

Really easy.

[A]

It's very convenient. So 40% of people say they would have sex with a robot according to that study. You believe that?

[B]

I guess if that's the stat, I think that's a little high, but I would say.

[C]

I would answer that. No way. Unless it's anonymous.

[A]

Then I would say, yes, anonymous. Completely in secret. Just experience it. And the girl is knockout hot.

[C]

I'll say.

[A]

Or guy. Whichever you prefer, George. But Yeah, I mean, you see some of the robots.

[B]

Either way, there's a 20% chance you're going to lose your wiener.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

It's because you're going to saw it off.

[C]

It's not going to be a robot like Rosie. You don't know Jetsons.

[B]

You don't know that.

[A]

Reciprocating saw in the opening.

[B]

And that's a bingo.

[A]

That is not a bingo type of saw.

[C]

Reciprocating saw.

[A]

The, the, the other thing is, interesting thing is there's been several studies talking about the drop in testosterone in men over the generations.

[C]

That's real too.

[B]

Tell me about it.

[C]

Lower sex drop.

[A]

George, you're not understanding what I'm talking about.

[B]

Come on, we're still cracking jokes. I'm still a real human, I can crack a joke.

[A]

But yeah, I mean, it's. Maybe it's because we're polluting our environment and everyone's getting fatter because the processed foods, they don't exactly know why this is. Or even to the extent which the testosterone has dropped in the average man, but it just feels like this weird place that we're heading to. We had these. And even what we've done socially with deconstructing genders and biology, you know, we have this idea like we are not limited to our biology. We transcend our biological form, which is all just so ripe to me for us to make the jump to digital. When we can jump to digital and we do have the neuralink plug in, then we can start laying in that barrel of pickle juice and having all kinds of kick ass experiences.

[B]

But can we at least wait till I digitize like my VHS and cassette tapes before we, before we digitize your brain? Can we at least wait till we get that done first?

[C]

I think you're right, George, in that there will always be a subculture that will be all about human touch and interpersonal relationships and they'll keep that going in our world. Like the vinyl subculture kept vinyl going in a digital music world and now vinyl's making a comeback. And so maybe it makes a comeback at some point, but I think we're definitely headed at a really fast rate towards digitizing our love life and our relationships. I think that's unavoidable.

[A]

It is.

[B]

So give me a year. 20, 40.

[C]

Most of our relationships are more than 50%. You're saying 51%?

[B]

Most are virtual relationships and not human to human.

[C]

Okay, so if you're just think about.

[A]

That, I mean, like there are people who have relationships with other Humans, but almost all of their interaction is virtual.

[C]

Right.

[A]

They live in different towns. They're on the other end of the rectangle.

[C]

Yeah. I bet you more than 50% of your interaction with your friends, let's say your 20 closest friends, is text and not in person. So you're already there. You're already at more than 50%.

[B]

I would hope that with my friends that I see the most, that are people in my circle, that I actually have a face to face conversation with them more than I actually text or talk to them on the phone.

[A]

I think you're.

[C]

I think for me unusual that I bet, yeah, I'm mostly text.

[B]

I do see these occasions. Yes. That you know, hey, you want to go to lunch or something like that? And then. But at that lunch or breakfast, we'll talk for an hour and 15 minutes. But then you more than we ever texted that week.

[C]

But then you won't see them for a few weeks and you're. But you're texting them a lot.

[B]

Yeah, with some, I guess they would fall into that category. But the people who are closest to me, my siblings, right across the road.

[C]

Okay, but the point being, you're probably like all of us already there where more than 50% of your relationship is digital, whether it's emailing or texting. And so by 2040, wow, 15 more years. It's going to be way more than that.

[A]

And once again, you have to project in these older generations dying off that have some memory of the analog world when young people now who are already not having sex or face to face relationships and already have lost, you know, have some of that social skill that is atrophied to the point of being useless and there's no point in having it because nobody else has it. So. And no interest in having children. You know, young people are choosing not to have children. We are well below the replacement rate, as I mentioned at the top of the podcast. What happens then? What happens to human beings when they've not really interacted with each other too terribly much without the mediation of a digital medium? I was a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, no, I don't know. And I still. And you can't possibly predict. Oh yeah, it's going to be 2039.

[A]

No, you can't predict the actual things, but we can predict the direction is what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the direction does not agree with that seem to be, hey, you know, the world has really moved offline now like that. People don't. That's not the headline. No, the headline is not you know, people really enjoy booking and having physical plane tickets now and going to a travel agent to do this. And. And no, we do everything online and everything's digital and most of our communication with other human beings is digital and most of our sex is either solo or non existent. So Merry Christmas. And if you have a kick ass looking doll that you can then place in your bed and do all those filthy things that you've only seen in pornographic videos that you've watched online too, you too can live like you live in the porn machine online and do these positions.

[C]

We heard a story of somebody that we know this is 30 years ago that had a doll. So they were already popular back then.

[A]

How. How low rent must that doll have been?

[C]

So it must have been like a balloon.

[A]

Yeah. The one that you. The balloon with that big O mouth.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. Gosh.

[C]

I think that's the one he had.

[A]

Yeah. They don't look like that anymore, George.

[B]

Oh, they don't, huh?

[A]

You need to look at some pictures. Yeah.

[C]

Hey, who is the AI. Actress? Tilly. Tilly somebody.

[A]

Norwood or something?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I.

[C]

When I saw a picture.

[A]

Tilly come. Killer whale.

[C]

Yeah, Tilly Norwood. When I saw a picture of her, I immediately started following her on Instagram.

[A]

See, we can't resist it because it's convincing. It's enough. It's enough.

[B]

It's just a scary world that I can't even wrap my head around or I want to think about.

[A]

And I sympathize and empathize with that as well.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Is that. Yeah, this is. It's a scary world, but it is happening. So maybe not just make fun of and laugh at all the people who are saying, you know, things are changing a lot. Things are changing.

[B]

Oh, I agree with that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We have common ground there. I know things are changing. I just don't have to like it.

[C]

And I'm kind of with you there, George. It makes me uncomfortable a lot of this. I. I have a 4 year old. I would rather she grew up in a time period when I grew up. You know, there were a lot of bad things back in the 70s too.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

That I don't want to come back. So society's gotten a lot better in a lot of regards, but I would like her to have that experience with a first date or a first kiss. I want her to wait till she's about 30 for both, but I hope she does. I don't like the thought of her growing up in a virtual world and never having human relationships. I don't like that.

[A]

But yet if she does grow up in the world in which her boyfriend is an AI boyfriend, you know, that's perfect for you. You avoid a lot of that stuff that you're worried about young women being taken advantage of. Yes, it's. It's like parents are going to start making safe choices along the way and those safe choices have unintended consequences.

[C]

You're exactly right. Because my biggest fear about her future is that she meets a bad guy, she falls for a bad guy that abuses her. I couldn't handle that.

[A]

That's why Craig, we have this company that's come up with the perfect you can sign up service even while your child's young and pay a subscription service. And we will be watching your child throughout her development and design the perfect boyfriend for her when she turns 18. And he will be an age appropriate boyfriend that will always respect her boundaries.

[C]

I mean, how much?

[A]

Yeah, it's only a hundred bucks a month.

[C]

Okay, that's a lot for the first.

[A]

Three months and then we start going to a model that is. But I just hope they come up with a muser sex robot that has inputs for enough of us. I mean, just. That's what we want. That's what we want.

[B]

Just don't mess with real cookies and cake. Okay, can we stay out of that?

[A]

What is that? What do you mean?

[B]

Well, I mean, can I still eat cookies if I want to and not a virtual cookie?

[C]

That's changing too.

[A]

Yeah, you'll. We'll have engineered food.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we'll just point the cookie.

[A]

Gun at your head and then magnetically insert an experience of eating a cookie in your head.

[B]

Okay, that's fine. That's fine. I'll sign up for that and then.

[A]

For an extra buck we'll give you an orgasm on it too.

[B]

I guess I'll sign up for that too while I'm at it.

[A]

Just bring it on. Yeah. It's all over with. Thanks to Peter for producing here he is our executive producer.

[B]

Producer.

[A]

I don't even know what I think he's called. The executive grips or no Dolly. See, the dolly's dressed like Dolly Parton today. I don't know if that's an old Halloween costume, I don't know or whatever. But thank you to Peter for producing today and thank you all for listening to this. And don't forget that back catalog, totally available to you free of charge. We are the musers, the podcast. Yes. If you're new around here, please take Gordon's advice and go back and look through old episodes and give them a listen. I'd recommend episode 2 or 4 or the assassin's bathtub episode 10. You can also reach out to the musers via email themuserspodmail.com thanks for listening. Thanks for following and don't forget the Musers. The podcast is a tired head production. What's up guys? David Pollack here, former Georgia Bulldog, former.

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