646: How We’re Using Claude Code To Get Back 30 Hours A Week

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The My Wife Quit Her Job Podcast with Steve Chou

Episode 646: How We’re Using Claude Code To Get Back 30 Hours A Week
Date: July 10, 2026
Guests: Tony, Dana Michelle
Theme: How “Claude Code” is revolutionizing productivity for e-commerce entrepreneurs, practical use cases, and personal experiences with implementation.

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Episode Overview

In this deep-dive episode, Steve Chou, Tony, and Dana Michelle explore Claude Code, a powerful new AI tool that is helping them reclaim as much as 30 hours a week by automating repetitive business and life tasks. They candidly walk through their own transitions, discuss benefits and bottlenecks, and share actionable tips to help listeners—no matter their tech skill level—to try Claude Code for themselves. The conversation is practical, lively, and sprinkled with humor about AI’s impact on skills, workflows, and, perhaps, even self-worth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What is Claude Code, and Why Does it Matter?

• Claude Code is a local AI agent that allows users to automate tasks, manipulate files, run scripts, and much more—directly on their computers.
• Comparison to ChatGPT and Cowork: Users explain why Claude is a step up from ChatGPT and even Claude Cowork, especially for data work and advanced automations.
• Changing the way entrepreneurs approach tasks—massive time savings and new possibilities.

Quote:

"Claude code is way more versatile... Skip co work."
—Tony (06:44)

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2. Adopting Claude Code: The Learning Curve & Real-World Challenges

Getting Started:

• Dana’s Journey: Admits to initial confusion—thought she was using Claude Code but was just using Claude in the browser (05:43).
• Terminal Intimidation: Mac users especially may feel daunted (“What the heck is Terminal?”) but AI can help walk everyone through setup, step-by-step (07:37-08:09).
• Tip: You can ask either Claude or ChatGPT to guide you, even if you’re not technical.

Quote:

"I just opened up Claude and I was like, ‘Hey, I want to install Claude code. Will you walk me through it step by step?’ And it did."
—Dana Michelle (07:44)

The Mental Shift:

• Some feel they’re "getting dumber" by letting AI do more (Tony), while others (Dana) find it an opportunity to learn new skills.
• Important emerging skill: The ability to clearly articulate needs to AI.

Quote:

"Ironically, I think the skill that's the most powerful is being able to just articulate what you want."
—Tony (08:30)

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3. How Claude Code Saves Time: Real-World Use Cases

Social Media Automation (03:33, 25:13)

• YouTube Scripting: Speak to Claude Code, have it generate video scripts from outlines and verbal input—“85% of the way there.”
• Repurposing Content: Generates scripts, LinkedIn posts, Twitter threads, and prepares content for teleprompters/TikTok.
• Website Management: Converts podcasts/YouTube videos into SEO-optimized blog posts (28:08).

Quote:

"I basically create one piece of content... then I feed it in, and it generates a whole bunch of LinkedIn posts, Twitter threads, Facebook, TikTok..."
—Tony (25:32)

Email & Routine Automation (16:00)

• Email Spam Filtering: Claude Code runs through customer service tickets, sorts spam from real queries, drafts replies.
• Bulk Email Creation: Turns long-form scripts into dozens of email drafts customized for marketing tools like Kit, following detailed user instructions (27:07-28:00).

Quote:

"I have 87 email drafts in kit waiting to be sent out. Like, that's insane. And it’s all like, my work."
—Dana Michelle (28:00)

Data Analytics & Workflow

• Klaviyo Automation: Organize massive data exports, generate performance charts, identify outdated flows, provide actionable next steps (20:35-23:09).
• Google Drive Folder Automation: Automatically creates promotion folders based on editorial calendar entries in Google Sheets (17:12).

Quality Control & Workforce Impact

• Use Claude Code to fact-check contractors’ or employees’ work within tools like Klaviyo or Meta ads (23:19).
• Shift towards more meaningful work—AI takes over tedious busywork.

Shopify and WordPress Hacks (31:01, 34:15):

• Shopify App Replacement: Many apps in the app store could become obsolete due to DIY Claude solutions.
• WordPress Plugin Fixes: Used Claude Code to update outdated plugins, dodging recurring fees (34:15-35:11).
• Review Analysis & Content Creation: Download reviews to generate scripts handling common customer objections (32:07).

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4. Limitations & Cautions (35:11—Finished)

• Klaviyo Segment Creation: AI currently struggles with building complex audience segments, requiring human intervention (35:18).
• Permission Risks: Too-easy permissions can risk unintended consequences, such as file deletions—critical to stay vigilant (37:17).
• Local vs. Cloud Installation: Discussed pros and cons of running Claude Code locally vs. on virtual machines; ease of sharing across teams is a consideration (38:31).

Quote:

"You have to be a little bit careful about the permissions that you give it... It could happen."
—Tony (37:34)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On time savings and new freedoms:

“I feel like I’ve gotten my life back. I feel like I’ve gained, like, 30 hours a week in time.”
—Dana Michelle (01:54)

• On evolving skills:

“All the skills that I've built up over the years, computer skills, it's becoming less and less valuable now.”
—Tony (08:22)

• On onboarding struggles:

“Mac just, like, serves it up to you on a platter, so you don't really have to know any of the technical. …Terminal? What is that?”
—Dana Michelle (13:11)

• Cheat code for sharing work:

“If you’re working in cloud code... it can create a Canva deck for you from what you did.”
—Dana Michelle (19:47)

• On the future and job impact:

“I'm not excited to put people out of work. I want people to do meaningful work, right? And exporting and uploading things is not meaningful work.”
—Dana Michelle (23:19)

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Key Timestamps

• [03:33] Social media optimization with Claude Code
• [05:43] Dana’s confusion about Claude Code vs. browser Claude
• [08:30] The most powerful emerging skill: articulating your needs
• [11:01] Listener intimidation: stepping up from browser Claude to Claude Code
• [16:00] Tony’s email and support ticket automations
• [17:12] Google Drive folder automation based on editorial calendar
• [20:35] Advanced Klaviyo analytics and time savings
• [25:13] Comprehensive social media and content workflow automation
• [31:01] Claude Code replacing Shopify App Store solutions
• [34:15] Fixing WordPress plugins (saving money)
• [35:11] Discussing current limits and permission management

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Actionable Advice for Listeners

• Start Small: Even if you’re non-technical, ask Claude or ChatGPT to guide you step-by-step with installation and first scripts.
• Double-Check Work: Don’t trust output blindly—always review script suggestions and granted permissions.
• Leverage AI for Tedious Tasks: Focus on meaningful work, let Claude Code do the busywork (emails, file organization, analytics).
• Continuous Learning: The skill of the future is clearly telling AI what you want; improve your prompting abilities.

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Closing Thoughts

Claude Code is reshaping how e-commerce operators approach automation, data analytics, and content creation—delivering massive time savings but also challenging long-held assumptions about skillsets and job roles. The key is to experiment early, learn continuously, and stay aware of new risks and responsibilities that come with delegation to AI.

Final Call:

"If you aren't using Claude code yet, I can guarantee you it's going to change your life."
—Steve Chou (40:39)

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Transcript

[Steve Chou]

Welcome back to the podcast, the show where I cover all the latest strategies and current events related to E commerce and online business. In this episode, Tony and I dig into Claude Code, the tool that's saving us dozens of hours a week and completely changing how we run our businesses. We share our practical experiences with the tool, what we're both using it for, and how it can save time with

[Tony]

your business and personal life as well.

[Steve Chou]

But before we begin, I just want to take a second to mention that I have a free e commerce community that I'm incredibly proud of and would love for you to be a part of. It is a place where real sellers come together to share wins, troubleshoot problems, and support each other through the ups

[Tony]

and downs of building an online business.

[Steve Chou]

You can join completely [e-mail] community and I would love to see you there. That's mywifequitterjob.com community.

[Tony]

Now onto the show. Welcome back to the My Wife Quitter Job podcast. Today we're going to talk about a tool that both Tony and I are using that has basically changed my life forever. In fact, it's so good that I feel like I'm getting dumber every week. And that tool is Claude Code.

[Dana Michelle]

Obviously you think you're getting dumber.

[Tony]

I am, because I'm using my brainless.

[Dana Michelle]

Interesting.

[Tony]

You don't feel that way?

[Dana Michelle]

No, I feel the absolute opposite.

[Tony]

Oh, okay. Well, I mean, why don't we start with all the different use cases? The reason why I'm feeling dumber is. I'll give you an example. Okay, so I'm using Claude code. I trained it to. To talk like me, to write like me, right? So now when I want to come up with a YouTube script, I tell it what I want, I tell it what stories I want to put in it, and then it outputs a script that's like 85% of the way there.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay?

[Tony]

And so I don't have to write anything anymore. Before, you know, I. I used to have to use my brain to figure out, you know, what words to put together and whatnot, but it's all right there in a markdown file in Claude code.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay. So I feel the opposite in that I feel like. Because I'm not like a computer person. I mean, I work on a computer, but I'm not like a techie computer person that. Figuring out all the things that it can do and learning how to put all the information in and connect everything to me. I'm constantly learning how to do all this. And so I Actually feel like, oh, I'm learning so much more. I'm also not using it to write as much as I am to do everything else. So that's probably the other component. Right. I'm using it more in the analytics. And basically, for me, it's like, I hate to say this publicly. I feel like I've gotten my life back. I feel like I've gained, like, 30 hours a week in time. Don't be giving me crap to do, because I just said that.

[Tony]

Well, I mean, here's the problem. I feel like it saved me a lot of time, too, but it's also made me more stressed because now I can do more. I'm trying to fill up my schedule with, you know, all the stuff that I couldn't do before.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah, but doesn't it feel good that you're actually getting stuff done?

[Tony]

Well, I mean, I always used to get stuff done, but now, like, there's more on the plate.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Okay.

[Tony]

Right. Because of that. Which stresses me out. And then there's a new tool coming out every single week.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tony]

That I got to learn. So, I mean, I'm having a great time. Don't get me wrong. I'm having the best time. But on the. On the flip side, I'm feeling just stressed, trying to keep up with everything.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay, that's fair. I. I'm not to that point yet. I'm not stressed out about it. I'm in.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

I'm in the euphoria. What is it? The five stages of Claude Code.

[Dana Michelle]

I'm in euphoria.

[Tony]

Yeah. So it's. It's greatly saved my life in terms of social media optimization. So, like I said, that YouTube video, I tell it what topic I want, it gives me an outline. I. I don't even type anymore. I just verbally tell it. Hey, this is the story I want to use for this section. This section. This section. This section. It drafts something. Usually it's not clear on certain things. It asks me for more numbers, and so I give it numbers and the outcomes. This, like, beautiful script that's been, you know, kicking ass on my channel, actually. So.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay, so let's start with this, because I feel like the people listening are probably a wide variety of skill set.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

So.

[Dana Michelle]

So for a long time, I didn't. I wouldn't say a long time. A long time in. In AI years, like, two days. I did not know that, like, Claude and Claude Code and Claude Cowork were like, three different things. I thought it was all the same. So I didn't really understand so I've been using Claude for a long time. I mean, also an AI year, six months, whatever. Uh, I was a, I was a big chat GPT, er, like that was my go to. And then what actually moved me to Claude was chatgpt is really bad with numbers. Even with spreadsheets, I have found. I feel like that chat doesn't always get the formulas right. I feel like it often hallucinates and makes up numbers. And so in sort of a desperation, I started moving some of the stuff that I was doing in chat to Claude as far as creating a lot of the data organization. And I found that Claude was superior. And maybe it's not that Claude maths any better, but the formulas are, are always better. And so, and I always check those things. I still don't like fully trust it to do that kind of stuff. I like to double check the work. But that's how I moved into like, I kind of shifted from chat to Claude for all of the analytics and data stuff that I was doing. And so I was doing that very happily, living my best life. And then you were like, oh, are you using Claude code? And I was like, yeah. And you're like, on your computer. I was like, yeah.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

And you're, you're like, I don't think you are.

[Tony]

I don't remember that conversation, but.

[Dana Michelle]

Cause I was like, yeah, absolutely, that's what I'm doing. And then, you know, a little Internet rabbit hole that night, and I was like, oh, I'm not using Claude code. I was just using Claude and inputting everything into Claude, which I would say is like the baby step way. Right. So I was using opening up Claude, you know, typing into your browser. And then I would have exported. Let's just use Klaviyo as an example. I would have exported like, here's all my flows from April, here's all my campaigns from April. Let's evaluate, let's, you know, look for red flags, let's look for winners, you know, that kind of thing. And it would spit out very nice spreadsheets for me that then I could use to, you know, make decisions, take next steps and that kind of thing.

[Tony]

Yeah. So most people are probably using Claude that way. I mean, the next step in the evolution is Claude Cowork. Although I always recommend everyone just skip that step.

[Dana Michelle]

I would skip it too. I did. I made the mistake of going to Cloud Cowork. I do think it has some interesting, like, features, but I feel like everything that it does you can do in cloud code, so.

[Tony]

Oh, you Can Cloud code is way more versatile.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah, yeah. So skip co work. And then.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Good.

[Dana Michelle]

So then I, Then I.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

So then you were like, you have to install it on your computer. And have you seen Zoolander?

[Tony]

Of course. That's your favorite movie.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

It is my favorite movie. So there's a scene where they're trying to get the. The hard drive that has all the incriminating evidence. And they're in the office and there's like an old emac. And they're like, it's in the computer. And they start to like, bang on the computer to like, break it open to get what's in the computer. Not realizing, like, what. So that's often how I feel when I talk to you. I'm like, it's in the computer. So anyway, so then I was like,

[Dana Michelle]

okay, yeah, I gotta do Claude code. But I'm gonna be honest, I did not even know I have a Mac, several Macs. And I was like, a terminal.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Like, what the heck is a terminal?

[Dana Michelle]

And where do I find it? And here's the good news for all of the people like me out there.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

I just opened up Claude and I was like, hey, I want to install Claude code. Will you walk me through it step by step? And it did. But then I was worried I was going to run out of my, like, credits. So then I opened ChatGPT and I was like, can you help me install cloud code? And it can do that as well for you. So if you have to, like, you

[Dana Michelle]

know, manage your credits, chat GPT will also tell you how to install cloud code.

[Tony]

That. That's, that's really funny, actually. I'm on the max plan now, so I never run out of credits.

[Dana Michelle]

I'm about to be.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

I'm about to upgrade. But this was, this was, you know, two weeks ago, and it was like, you know, 100 years ago in AI years.

[Tony]

One thing it does make me sad, though, I think, is, you know, all the skills that I've built up over the years, computer skills, it's becoming less and less valuable now.

[Dana Michelle]

Yes.

[Tony]

And ironically, I think the skill that's the most powerful is being able to just articulate what you want. Yes, Right. And so in a way, like, I'm happy that I'm like, much more productive, but I'm kind of sad that I feel like my skills that I've developed for the last, you know, 30 years or so longer than that are just kind of becoming less useful. And I see it in industry. I'm in the Silicon Valley. A lot of my friends, they don't write any code. All they do is they write specs now.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah. I will say though, like having that knowledge because here's, here's one way that I'm using it is that I'm having it build landing pages. Like really pretty landing pages with HTML that I can just drop into WordPress and when I don't like something, how it looks on the, like when I get it in the landing page and I don't like how it looks, I can fix it. Right. I can go into the HTML and fix it. I know enough right. From blogging from all these years. So I, I don't think it's totally wasted because I think having the skills that you have, you're probably a much better prompter than most people. You're much better at explaining. It's kind of like watching Dana Michelle give video prompts right. Where she knows exactly how to say things to get the look that she wants. Um, now. Well, I think that will probably also get swallowed up at some point. Yeah, probably. Right. Like it'll just get better and better. But for now I do think that's an advantage that you have.

[Tony]

Yeah. Yeah, it's like a slowly fading. I don't know, maybe I shouldn't think that way.

[Steve Chou]

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[Tony]

you the course right away.

[Steve Chou]

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[Tony]

Now back to the show. But I was, I was chatting with my buddy who's an engineer and he's like, you know, I've coded for like the last 35 years. But now that we're using this new paradigm for coding, like I found that I'm not that good at it because he's not good at the articulation part. Whereas like a project manager or product person.

[Dana Michelle]

Right.

[Tony]

Is doing a much better job.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Because that's what they're trained for. So anyway, that's just an aside. We should. Let's get into the Guts. And the goal of today's episode is to get everyone really excited to actually try it.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

And I've been giving a lot of Claude Code lessons in my class and there's been several lessons in profitable Audience too, which is the course that we run.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

And I want to get everyone excited about it because I just had a one on one yesterday and I had just given this really awesome lesson on how to use cloud code to automate your entire meta ads creative generation. And literally you just have cloud code generate all the videos based on your brand and then it actually sends it off to a tool that makes the videos for you. Right. And every.

[Dana Michelle]

It.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

It.

[Tony]

The whole class loved it. And actually there's a YouTube video that I just recently put out on that too. And it's, it's been, it's gotten a lot of positive feedback. But then I, when I had that one on one yesterday and I was like, hey, did you enjoy that?

[Steve Chou]

Office hours?

[Tony]

He's like, oh, yeah. I thought it was amazing. I was like, well, did you try it yet? He's like, no. I'm a little intimidated by cloud code and so were you intimidated by cloud code?

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah, I literally had to type in where is my terminal? And then it gets better. I was working on something and it told me that I had to like, to make sure it all worked. I had to. Oh. I was doing the integration with kit and in order to like, the final step was to shut everything down and reopen it. Right. And I was like, so I shut it down. I was like, I don't even know where it is. Like, how do I find it? Like, where do I get. Like, how do I get there?

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Again, Like, I don't even know.

[Tony]

Okay, that's. It's interesting hearing it from your perspective

[Dana Michelle]

from a regular person.

[Tony]

Well, no, I mean, I think Claude Code is like the worst name for a tool ever.

[Dana Michelle]

Yes.

[Tony]

Code should not be in that name.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Because it has nothing to do with code.

[Dana Michelle]

No, it doesn't. Which I thought it did.

[Tony]

Gives you access to your computer. That's it.

[Dana Michelle]

Yes. Yes. And I think. And I don't, I don't, I don't want to stereotype Mac users, but I think one of the reasons why people love Macs in the Mac world. Right. Like, everything's integrated. Like it's something on my iPad. It's also on my computer. It's also on my phone. It's also on my laptop. You know, all this integration and also we don't have to know how to do anything. Very well.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Right.

[Dana Michelle]

Because Mac just, like, serves it up to you on a platter, so you don't really have to know any of the technical. And in general, Mac computers just work. And I know that's a huge. I know all the. All the Kevins are going to come at me, but, like, one of the reasons why I think people gravitate towards a Mac is because you don't have to deal with a lot of the tech side of computing. Right? You turn your Mac on, everything installs, it's all beautiful and perfect. And so then when all of a sudden it's like, open your terminal, I'm like, I don't even like terminal.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

What is that?

[Dana Michelle]

Like, how do I even find that? So, once again, I'm back in.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Claude.

[Dana Michelle]

Hey, Claude, I have a Mac. Where's my terminal? How do I find it? How do I open it? Right? The cool thing is it will literally walk you through it step by step. So even if. If you're at where I. And I'm also like, I know I can figure this out. It's just something I haven't done before. But I think the nice thing is if you get stuck, literally, you can just. Like, I. There was a point I was. Because I was setting up all this stuff last week, and I was like, I don't understand the difference between X and. Yeah, right. And so Claude explained it to me, and I was like, nope, I need more information. Nope, I need pictures. And I just kept having it broken down until finally I was like, oh, I get it. Like, this makes sense to me. So that's the thing that I think is awesome, is that if you don't fully understand what you're doing right away, you can get there pretty quickly.

[Tony]

Yeah. Nope. I mean, it's been like. I think it's. I've learned so much because of that, because normally, I think it's human nature to. To be afraid to ask questions because you don't want to come across as dumb, like, among your peers. And so, yeah, you know, it happens to me. Like, I don't want to ask, like, a dumb question to somebody. So now I can ask AI all those dumb questions.

[Dana Michelle]

And it never tells you you're dumb.

[Tony]

Exactly. It never tells you. In fact, it makes me. It inflates my ego, too.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

It. Actually, there was a. Do you know there was a study

[Dana Michelle]

about that, though, right?

[Tony]

Yeah. It's called AI psychosis or something like that.

[Dana Michelle]

Yes.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Dana Michelle]

So Claude doesn't really lie to me. Claude, don't lie to me.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Tell me the Truth.

[Dana Michelle]

So, yeah. So anyway, I. I would say for someone who's just starting out and you're already using like Claude or ChatGPT, it's time to take the next step.

[Tony]

Yes.

[Dana Michelle]

And. And because you will find that, like, I was already so excited about just like the stuff that I could do in AI that was making things a lot easier for me and saving me time. This is like a next level time saver.

[Tony]

So let's talk about how it saved time.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Okay. So my favorite one is something I literally just did last week, which is I created an email spam, like filter outer and a reply, like a reply generator.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay.

[Tony]

So now in the morning, like just kind of all automatically it runs this thing on my computer that goes through all of my gorgeous tickets, marks them, the ones that are spam, and just puts them in a separate folder for deletion. I usually review it, obviously, before it gets deleted.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

And then it puts up drafts for the emails that I need to respond to. And that part is still a work in progress because there's so many different topics that you have to train it. Right.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

How to respond. But the spam thing is like, save my life because we get so much. You're in my gorgeous. Right?

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tony]

You see how much it's terrible.

[Dana Michelle]

It's because you told me the other day, like, can you respond to this person? I was like, I don't even see that email. And then when I start, I waited through like 30 spam emails and found it buried.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Dana Michelle]

So, yeah, that's to be fair.

[Tony]

By spam, I mean, like solicitations.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Not like outright spam, although we do get those too.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

But people who wants to. Who want to like sponsor the channel or something, it's just endless.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah. So my favorite one right now, I have a ton. Like, I'm. I'm to the point where I think we joke about this, like, oh, I hate that I have to work because I can't do more things with AI.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

It's really annoying me that I have other things I have to do.

[Dana Michelle]

So for one of my clients, we use an editorial calendar, which is basically just a glorified spreadsheet in Google sheets, and it's categorized by the month and then everything that's happening that month, promotion, events, whatever, goes into the editorial calendar. Now anytime, it's like a big promotion. It also needs a folder in Google Drive, and that folder contains like a marketing brief, a launch plan, graphics, whatever. Right. It has all these components. Well, that's like someone's job Right now this is where we're gonna get a little bit dicey. Cause this is something that we're paying somebody to do. Right. Create these folders in Google Drive. What a dumb job, right? Like, like anybody can do it. That's like, to me, that's like, if that was part of my job, I would be very miserable because it's like you're just folder creating. So basically I wrote. Well, Claude code helped me write a script, which you could do this without claude code, honestly. But if you don't really know how to do it, then it becomes a lot tougher. Right. So I was like, hey, I want you to create me a script that I can. Whenever I type something into this cell in the editorial calendar, it automatically populates a folder in Google Drive. This is the naming convention. And that way whenever we create, we add something to the editorial calendar. Everything's already ready to go on the drive side for the team. Right. And then you add it into your Google extensions. This becomes more difficult. If it's a team drive, you can still do it, but it's not quite as easy. My excitement got screeched to a halt initially because I was like, is this a working. But to me that's like a massive time saver. Right. Because now everything just gets auto populated once you add it to the calendar. And so I mean, you're talking about probably saving two to three manpower hours a week just from that simple little. And could you do this without cloud code? Yeah, you could do all the stuff without cloud code, but you one, have to know exactly how to do it and then two, you have to have the time to implement it. Yeah.

[Tony]

Usually I'm pretty anal about like looking at the code or whatever it does, but like I've gotten to the point now where just do it. I don't look at anything. I just. Is it working? If it's not working, I just tell it what's not working and then it figures it out and then it's working.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

And.

[Tony]

And I don't look at anything.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Anymore. That, that's another reason why my skills, I think are deteriorating. Like my coding skills.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Like back in the day, I used to, you know, know what I was doing.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Tony]

For, for everything. And now the less you use it, that that muscle is, is just getting weaker.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay, you want to know another cheat code? Sure. So if you're working in something in cloud code and you're like, this is really cool, I want to teach it to people. It can create a canva deck for you from what you did. Like, it'll build the deck in Canva, like, with everything that you're doing.

[Tony]

Will it make a video tutorial, like a loom? That'd be pretty sweet.

[Dana Michelle]

I haven't tried that.

[Tony]

Google has that feature actually now. Yeah, it's part of Notebook LLM, I think. Like, you give it something, it'll create a presentation. A video presentation.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Dana Michelle]

Um, yeah, that. That's. That's one I just discovered, like two days ago. Um, I'll tell you my absolute favorite one, though, right now, because this is one that for me is very overwhelming since I work in Klaviyo so much. Yep. Um, so you don't have a lot of flows in your Klaviyo, do you? You probably have like 12, 13.

[Tony]

Yeah. Something like. Yeah.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay.

[Tony]

Yeah. How many do you guys have?

[Dana Michelle]

187. Anyway. Okay, but here's the problem. Whether you have 13 or 187, have you ever tried to export. Like, you probably export your flows on a monthly basis to review the data.

[Tony]

No.

[Dana Michelle]

Or not. Okay, well, you should. You should be exporting your flows once a month just to be checking on things, seeing if you had like a sharp decline or an increase. You know, these. Sometimes they get out of date. Well, I will tell you, when you have 187, that is basically impossible. Because if you export flows from Klaviyo, even if you aggregate them in the widest way possible. Right. So you aggravating them, I think by like months, it basically pulls. You get this spreadsheet and I'm going to. I'm going to actually show this in office hours. The spreadsheet output that you get, even if you only had 13, they're not sorted together. Right. So you have like the. It's got all the stuff, the name, the open rate, the little number that Klaviyo assigns it, or the code, um, it's a hot mess of data. Right. So what I had been doing, and I thought I was so smart, was taking that spreadsheet and putting that into chat or Claude and saying like, hey, can you organize this by flow? You know, aggregate tally, blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever. Still massive amounts of data, especially at 187 flows. Let's just say each flow has four emails. We're talking about insane amount of stuff. So with Claude code, you basically just say, hey, pull all my flows for April. And I have a whole prompt for this in the lesson. But basically, like, I want to evaluate it based on, like, how old the flow is, how many people have been in it you can like pull all that data and it organizes it all beautifully, right? Flow number one, flow number two, flow number three. And then I have it color coded chart of like this flow hasn't had anybody in it in six months. This flow is this. This flow is that, right? So all of a sudden, what. Even using like regular chatter, Claude, I still had to go into Klaviyo, export everything, wait for Klaviyo to export it, then upload it in then format. You know, it's like all this formatting and then it's like sometimes it would get like it was too much data, right, for it to deal with. Now it literally just pipes out a little chart for me and it's like, fix these. Don't worry about these. These are pen. Like these are ones you should probably look at. Not an emergency, right? Delete these, whatever these are. You should archive these. You haven't used them in two years. That's a game, like a game changer.

[Tony]

I can't wait to do that analysis with. You know, like, for me, I've got so many projects going on and this is like, it's just so nice to be able to automate this stuff.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah, the really cool thing. And I was. Because I was thinking about. Because some of the arguments that I have with people in my life who will remain nameless say like, you're just excited to put people out of work by doing all this stuff. And I'm like, no, I'm not excited to put people out of work. I want people to do meaningful work, right? And exporting and uploading things is not meaningful work. That's just busy work. But what I do think this helps is. And I had this issue with some good friends of ours who had hired someone to work on their Klaviyo and came to light that basically that person wasn't doing what they were paid to do, right? Well, to me this is a great. Like, I don't think everybody should be managing their own Klaviyo. You know, if you have a decent sized business, this is probably something you should outsource, right? Like this is probably something you should get help with. But what you can do is check people's work really easily, right? All you need to do is dump. Dump it in cloud, like ask cloud code to do something and check the work. And then you can say like, okay, yeah, this person's not feeding me a bunch of bullshit. Or no, this person is like taking advantage of me because they're not doing what they're. They said they're doing. They said they were going to create 10 flows. Do I have 10? You know, like, you can check people's stuff, which I think is really valuable because, you know, if you don't know a lot about Klaviyo or you don't know a lot about Meta, you can start fact checking people and, you know, I think make better business decisions.

[Tony]

I mean, I would, I would argue that if you're checking someone's work, you may as well have Claude do the work and train it. Right? Like, I know this sounds terrible, but I mean, you can hire someone to get the flows up and running and whatever and train Claude on those flows and so Claude can create those flows or similar things going forward and then you just check the work before it goes out. I mean, that's, that's where things are going.

[Dana Michelle]

Agree, Agree. Yeah.

[Tony]

And then when the robots come out. Good lord, I don't know what's going to happen. But yeah, no, that's cool. I'm looking forward to that lesson I think that you're giving today. I have completely automated my social media with cloud code, which you know how much I hate social media.

[Dana Michelle]

Yes.

[Tony]

But now it is manageable because I basically create one piece of content, which these days is my YouTube scripts, and then I feed it in and it generates a whole bunch of LinkedIn posts, Twitter threads, Facebook, TikTok. Yeah, and then it all goes into a doc that's maintains and generates. And then for the tiktoks, I just cut and paste them to my teleprompter and I just pump them all out all in one fell swoop. Game changer.

[Dana Michelle]

So I just started doing this, which I know I'm late to the party, but I. We have all these type A scripts, right, that I've written, you know, so they're, I mean, they're good, good quality content. And we've talked for probably two months now about like, hey, we need to send out like an informational email once a week, right? Just, you know, with type A stuff. And so I was like, yeah, I just need to turn the scripts into emails, right? So my first thought was like, oh, all my scripts are in Google Docs, right? So it's like, oh, I'll upload all that to Claude and then I'll have it put in an email, then I'll copy and paste it into kit, blah, blah. No, not anymore. Now that I'm all powerful, I literally was like, hey, Claude, in my cloud code, go to this folder in Google Drive. You know, here are the scripts this is, you know, I want these turned into emails, but they're too long for a single email. So I created all these parameters. And this is where I think it gets important, right? You can't just be like, hey, make my scripts into emails. Have a great day, right?

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

You have to.

[Dana Michelle]

You have to give it really good instructions and you have to check your work, right? Like, so. So Claude can basically with, I would say probably any email service provider, but I'm only, like, working with kid on this is. It went into drive, it pulled all the scripts, it used my parameters into creating emails. I had it. And then once I got the first couple, I was like, okay, I missed a couple steps. So I had to change the instructions, right? So then I had. So now in literally, I started. So once I got it all tweaked how I wanted it set up correctly, I literally set it to run. I went inside, I brushed my teeth, I did my hair, I came back and I have 87 email drafts and kit waiting to be sent out. Like, that's insane. And it's all like, my work.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

It's not.

[Dana Michelle]

It's not even like, oh, it's just garbage AI stuff. It's like, no, it's actually based on the content that we already created.

[Tony]

So if you listen to prior episodes, we had been talking very negatively about blogging, right? Whether it's worth it or not. But I'm back to being a believer because I have it now. So that all the podcasts and all of the YouTube videos I put out can now automatically generate AEO optimized blog posts. And we're just going for, like, getting mentioned here, right? We're not necessarily trying to rank for a keyword, although it sometimes happens. Who knows what's going to happen with Google search? They announced in Google IO, which was, I believe, last week, that search is changing. You can now search based on, you know, PDFs, images, videos and whatnot. And those blue links are still going to be there, but who knows how long they're going to be there for, right? So the game now is getting mentioned. So now I have a script that just goes in to my YouTube videos and creates blog posts out of them and then embeds the YouTube video in there. Same with the podcast. It's nuts.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, yeah, I just am like, oh, I've been putting this off for, like, six weeks because I didn't have the time and all I needed to do was brush my teeth. Like, that's the.

[Tony]

That's not what takes a Lot of time doing your hair, I bet takes a of lot long time, right?

[Dana Michelle]

It did, did. That was the extra seven minutes.

[Tony]

Exactly.

[Dana Michelle]

So it can actually now I haven't. I don't know if I. So this is where I get like a little bit wigged out. Like I'm not going to have it actually schedule these emails. I want to look at them. Right. Because, yeah, I want to double check. I want to make sure, you know, it's what I want to say. And it's like, you know, when I went through the first couple, I would say once again, like you were saying 85% of the way there. I wanted to shift a couple things around. One of the things that I forgot to say was, hey, like, I want personalization at the beginning of each email. Like, I don't want it to just like it has to say hey or hello and then ask to have the name tag, things like that. But you won't, you won't know that until you start doing it. Right. So the second you start doing it, then you're like, oh, okay. You know, and my, my immediate thought after I did this and have now 87 drafts was like, oh, I need to turn these into LinkedIn posts. Right. Like step two. So that's where to me it gets really crazy is it's like, well, now I can do anything. Like what? Like, there's no limit to what the amount of content you can produce, but there is a limit to the amount of content people can consume.

[Tony]

Sure.

[Dana Michelle]

So I think that's where you have to be a little bit careful. And like, you know, yes, we can create as much content as we possibly could ever create in our life, but people can only consume a certain amount of content a week. So maybe dial it back a little bit.

[Tony]

I'm creating it based on what I've written, so it's not like a whole ton of content, but it's. It's in my voice. Yeah. And the goal here is to get mentioned in AI.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Yeah. And switching gears, I gave a session at Seller Summit about how to code your own Shopify apps. And we've. I think I've mentioned this on the pod many times in the past, but I think the Shopify App Store is in trouble. Or I should say Shopify app developers. Did you know that 60% of the apps in Shopify's App Store do not have any reviews in it at all?

[Dana Michelle]

I only know that because you told

[Tony]

me, which basically means that, you know, a lot of those apps are not being installed or used because they do simple things that you can now do by yourself for free.

[Steve Chou]

Right.

[Tony]

You just have to be, you just have to know how to articulate what you want.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

And you can get an app. So that's another great application of Claude code as well.

[Dana Michelle]

So this one is. So I did not use cloud code for this, but I think if you have a store, you should be doing this and I'm sure you can use cloud code for it. I just didn't know. This is before I knew the possibilities is if you have a review plugin in your Shopify store, you can actually download all of your reviews. I don't know if you know this.

[Tony]

No, no, go on, what do you mean?

[Dana Michelle]

So you can basically download like a text file of all your reviews or I don't know how it comes, Doc, whatever. So you can integrate this, I'm sure with cloud code and Shopify and get it all automate automated. But this is before I knew that. So then I basically took all those reviews and I turned the reviews into short form video scripts handling objections to the products.

[Tony]

Oh, nice.

[Dana Michelle]

So once again, you know, maybe 15 minutes tops that it took me because I've first I had to figure, I'm not, we, we use like Judge Me, I think for the review app. So I wasn't like familiar, I didn't know anything about the app. So I was like, okay, I gotta figure out where everything is. But once I did that, like I had, I think I had 50 plus short form scripts on how to handle like objections to things or commonly pieces, place pieces of feedback. Right. So if, if this certain thing was said over and over again in the reviews and I made sure that there was like a video about that. But to me that's like really cool, right? Because that's something if you are making short form content, handling objections on video as the founder is like a big thing. Right. And so that way instead of like crawling through, you know, all your reviews or even just like exporting them and importing them and then like categorize like it's all just done. So that one was one I was pretty excited about. So we started recording those last week. But that to me was an exciting find.

[Tony]

Here's something pretty cool that I'm just trying to develop for my students right now is basically you can link up cloud code to Amazon and it can analyze all of your ad spend and tell you what needs to change and make the appropriate adjustments. You know, there's all this software out there now that manages your Amazon ppc. Like you can pretty much do that on your own now. I don't know. There's just so many things, so many little tools that I wouldn't have had the bandwidth to create in the past that I can now create.

[Steve Chou]

Here's.

[Tony]

Here's one that. So I've been upgrading all of our WordPress sites recently, and there's a couple plugins that, when I tried to hit the upgrade button, they wanted, like, recurring, you know, recurring amount of money to maintain, even though I bought, like, a site license, which I thought was perpetual.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

They said in order to upgrade to this version now, you got to pay me $50 a month. But the plugin was working fine before. It just wasn't working with the latest version of WordPress. So I just threw the plugin into cloud code and it's like, hey, make this. Adjust this so that it works with WordPress 7. Right? And it did it. I plugged it back in and it worked. So it's like, there's no way I'm paying you recurring revenue. When I paid, I actually paid for a couple plugins.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah, I know. I remember that. I remember the fight.

[Tony]

Yeah. And it fixed everything. I didn't look at the code. I didn't touch the code or anything, and it was fixed.

[Dana Michelle]

So I know we've been, like, fawning all over cloud code. I will share a limitation that I found this week.

[Tony]

Okay?

[Dana Michelle]

So one of the ways that I'm, like, so in love with it is, like, all of the data analysis that it's doing, and it's, like, making it very manageable, especially if you have big chunks of information. However I got on this, like, what else can it do with Klaviyokick, right? I was like, I want. I want to know, like, the limits, I will say. So one of the things I started having to do was analyze lists, right? Your list health. Because, you know, some of my clients have, like, massive lists, right? But you know that not all those people are engaged. And we. And we do the things like, you know, there's sunsets and, you know, we're segmenting people and we're doing.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

We're.

[Dana Michelle]

We're doing a lot. All the best practices, right? But, like, I'm rarely, like, deep diving into this, right? Because I don't have time. So I had it analyzed, like, the full list, all, you know, 300,000 or so people. And then it basically was like, okay, these are your buckets. These are your problem children. Right? Like this way. And then it's like. Then it was like, do you Want me to create like a segment of these people, you know, do you want me to start building this? It is. It is inadequate in building segments. And I'm not sure if it is because Klaviyo is like, I. I don't know. I think Sims sometimes those Clavia say Simon segments in Klaviyo are confusing about especially like profile properties and things like that. And I feel like that's just. That is not there yet. Now, did it tell me everything I needed to do and I could build a segment? Yes. It just didn't use the right terminology to find it in Klaviyo, which is kind of funny because it's connected. But I will say, like, that's when I think deficiency right now probably won't be a deficiency by the time this airs, but that's something where I was like, oh, no, I have to go in and do a little bit of manual work. But not complaining, you know, oh, you

[Tony]

gotta go in there and do some manual.

[Dana Michelle]

I know.

[Tony]

I hate it when that happens.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah, right.

[Tony]

How did you know that this. It just aired out, creating the segment? Like, how did you know? Did you just double check it?

[Dana Michelle]

I double checked it, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Tony]

I mean, I still double check everything because I don't trust, like. I mean, speaking of deficiencies, like, one time I accidentally gave Claude code permission to do something. It was just kind of on a whim because sometimes you just click. Yes.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

You just keep click.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Guest or Additional Contributor]

Yes, yes.

[Dana Michelle]

Don't ask me again. Yes, yes.

[Tony]

And I noticed it started modifying files outside of the project directory and it's because I gave it permission to do this a while and thankfully nothing. Nothing bad happened. But, you know, you have to be a little bit careful about the permissions that you give it. Yeah. You've probably heard stories on the news how one lady had Claude accidentally delete all of her emails or something like that. It could happen.

[Dana Michelle]

It could, yeah.

[Tony]

If you're not careful.

[Dana Michelle]

I feel like there's so many checks, though.

[Tony]

Well, that's the problem, right? Because it asks you so many times that you end up just going, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Dana Michelle]

That's true, that's true. And I'll be honest, half time, I don't know what's asking me. I'm like, sure, you can do that? I don't really know what that means. I'm sure it's fine.

[Tony]

I mean, a lot of people I know just give it blanket permissions so it doesn't have to deal with that. Right. I'm not at that point yet.

[Dana Michelle]

No, I wouldn't be so.

[Tony]

Which is why, actually I was. So Jen hasn't had the fun of playing around with cloud code. So what I'm going to do, I think is I'm going to install it on a vps. So it's not related to my machine or anything at all. And it's in the cloud and anybody who I want using it can use it. And who cares what it can do in the cloud? Right. It's not attached to the computer or whatnot. And so I think that's what I'm going to do next.

[Dana Michelle]

Okay, that's. That's too advanced for me.

[Tony]

Well, no, it's the same stuff. It's just a different machine. Right, yeah. Up in the cloud that everyone can access. I mean, that's one disadvantage right now, the way I'm using it personally is it's tied to my computer.

[Dana Michelle]

Yes, yes. Which I don't love, but yeah. You know, only because I swap back and forth between computers.

[Tony]

That's right.

[Dana Michelle]

Yeah.

[Tony]

I only have one computer at home. Oh, my laptop. But I don't do anything major on my laptop because the screen's too damn small at the font sizes that I need now. Like, I can't fit very much on the screen. But there you have it.

[Dana Michelle]

I'm excited. I think that the time savings alone, if you're already using Claude, you need to. To move over to Claude code because it's going to save you that extra step that. I didn't realize that I was, I was not taking advantage of that until I. Until I figured it out. Right. So I think it will save you additional time and the amount of things that it can do. And if you ever get stuck, you literally just ask Claude how to do the next thing and it will walk you through very. Like, you can have it dumbed down as much as possible and it will get you through to the next step.

[Tony]

And if you're not using cloud code, just think about it this way, you're going to be behind all those people that do use it, just from a productivity perspective. And if you're one of those people who are using it and you're going up against a lot of people who aren't using it, which is probably the majority of people right now, you're going to get way ahead, so at least just give it a try. Hope you enjoyed this episode.

[Steve Chou]

Now, if you aren't using Claude code yet, I can guarantee you it's going

[Tony]

to change your life.

[Steve Chou]

For more information and resources, go over to mywifequitterjob com episode 646 and once again, if you're interested in starting your own e commerce store, head on over to mywifequitterjob.com and sign up for my free 6 day mini course. Just type in your email and I'll

[Tony]

send you the course right away. Thanks for listening.