Podcast Summary: The Neuro Experience – Dr. Ben Bikman: How Insulin Resistance DESTROYS Your Brain
Host: Louisa Nicola (The Neuro Experience & Pursuit Network)
Guest: Dr. Ben Bikman, Professor, Metabolic Scientist, Author of "Why We Get Sick"
Date: December 10, 2024

Episode Overview

This episode dives deeply into the critical—but often misunderstood—topic of insulin resistance, exploring its role as a root cause of a variety of chronic diseases, particularly those affecting brain health such as Alzheimer’s disease. Host Louisa Nicola welcomes Dr. Ben Bikman, a world-leading expert in metabolic science, to unravel the mechanisms of insulin, its impact on fat, glucose, and muscle metabolism, and the growing prevalence of metabolic dysfunction. Together, they challenge outdated paradigms, translating complex physiology into actionable strategies and discussing both lifestyle interventions and pharmaceutical trends like GLP-1 agonists (Ozempic, Tirzepatide).

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Focus on Insulin Resistance?

• Definition & Scope: Insulin resistance is the most common health problem globally, affecting roughly half of all adults. It’s also the shared factor underlying many chronic diseases, including diabetes, hypertension, infertility, and neurodegenerative disorders.
  • "Insulin resistance is the single most common health problem worldwide… a common causal variable that virtually every chronic disease shares." (Dr. Bikman, 01:44)
• Metabolic Syndrome: Previously called "insulin resistance syndrome," showing the centrality of insulin resistance to the cluster of metabolic diseases.

2. Metabolic Dysfunction vs. Insulin Resistance

• Terminology: "Metabolic dysfunction" is overly broad and lacks precision; Dr. Bikman equates it directly to insulin resistance, arguing for clearer language.
  • "Metabolic dysfunction...is so broad as to have no meaning until an individual pins it down." (Dr. Bikman, 04:38)

3. Insulin’s Role in the Body

• Essential but Easily Pathological: Insulin is required for life, but excessive insulin (hyperinsulinemia) leads to resistance, where cells become deaf to insulin's effects, leading to disease.
  • "Insulin is a necessary hormone. We need to make it. If we don't have it, death comes in short order." (Dr. Bikman, 06:36)
• Beyond Blood Sugar Control: Insulin also affects fat burning, ketone production, and even sex hormone synthesis.

4. How We Become Insulin Resistant

• Chronic High Insulin: Due to frequent and high carbohydrate intake (over 70% of calories globally), especially from processed foods, most people live in a state of chronic insulin elevation.
• Macronutrient Differences:
  • Fats do not raise insulin.
  • Proteins raise it only modestly.
  • Carbs, especially refined ones, cause massive insulin spikes.
  • "If a human eats pure fat...no insulin secretion whatsoever." (Dr. Bikman, 12:29)

5. Muscle Mass & Glucose Management

• Muscle as Glucose Sink: Greater muscle mass means better glucose tolerance, as muscle greedily consumes glucose, especially when exercised—sometimes even without insulin.
  • "One of the values of muscle is that it is this great glucose consumer..." (Dr. Bikman, 13:41)
• Exercise Post-Meal: Moving after eating helps muscles clear glucose faster, reducing spikes.

6. Continuous Glucose Monitoring (CGM) & Practical Hacks

• Self-Experimentation: Louisa shares observing glucose spikes with CGM; exercise rapidly brought them down.
• Metabolic Flexibility: Quick glucose rise and fall after carbs is a sign of metabolic health.
• "Tricks" for Glucose Management:
  • Ceylon cinnamon and apple cider vinegar can blunt glucose spikes.
  • Supplements like berberine act as "poor man's metformin."
  • "The more muscle a person has, the easier it is... to bring down their blood sugar." (Dr. Bikman, 13:41)

7. Insulin Resistance & Brain Disease (Alzheimer’s)

• Alzheimer’s as ‘Type 3 Diabetes’: Insulin resistance in the brain impairs glucose uptake, starving neurons and contributing to cognitive decline.
  • "Alzheimer's disease is insulin resistance of the brain." (Dr. Bikman, 28:54)
• Ketones to the Rescue: The brain can use ketones (especially BHB – beta-hydroxybutyrate) without insulin, and giving Alzheimer’s patients ketones improves cognition, even when glucose can’t get in.
  • "When you do give the brain ketones, not only does it use the ketones very readily, indeed, if the brain has a preference for any fuel, it is ketones far more than glucose." (Dr. Bikman, 29:12)
• Plaque Theory Debunked: Dr. Bikman criticizes the focus on amyloid plaques, exposing flawed and falsified foundational studies, and advocates for a metabolic paradigm.

8. Fat Cells, Obesity & the ‘Calories vs. Insulin’ Debate

• Not Just Calories: The size and health of fat cells—more than fat mass—determines metabolic health. Large fat cells (from hypertrophy) promote insulin resistance.
  • "It's not the mass of fat that matters most, it's the size of the fat cells." (Dr. Bikman, 35:17)
• Role of Insulin: Insulin instructs fat cells to store energy; without it, fat cannot accumulate regardless of calorie intake—a fact illustrated by type 1 diabetics.
• Fat Gain Ethnic Differences: Some populations (e.g., East Asians) expand fat by making new cells, others mainly enlarge existing cells, influencing risk.

9. GLP-1 Drugs (Ozempic, Tirzepatide) in Insulin Resistance

• Mechanism: These drugs suppress appetite and delay gastric emptying, leading to substantial weight loss—often via muscle and bone loss, not just fat.
  • "At the doses…you feel so nauseous…your food is sitting and festering…for 20 or 24 hours." (Dr. Bikman, 47:02)
• Downsides: On average, 40% of lost weight is muscle/bone; most people regain weight when stopping. Not ideal for lean or metabolically healthy individuals.
  • "When a person regains weight… one of these comes back very quickly and that's the fat mass." (Dr. Bikman, 48:00)
• Proper Use: Should be reserved for those with food addiction or profound metabolic dysfunction—and at the lowest possible dose as a bridge to sustainable change.

10. Is Hyperinsulinemia the First Domino?

• Recent Research: Studies show hyperinsulinemia often precedes insulin resistance, hinting it's a primary driver, not just a consequence, of obesity and metabolic disease.
  • "Elevated insulin is a feature of insulin resistance, it is a cause." (Dr. Bikman, 55:59)

11. Insulin Resistance & Cardiovascular Disease

• Direct Link: Insulin resistance causes hypertension through multiple mechanisms; resolving insulin resistance (i.e., with a low-carb diet) can drop blood pressure within days.
  • "Anyone listening? If you're on a blood pressure medication, you have to communicate with your physician's office because you're going to have to start changing the dose almost immediately." (Dr. Bikman, 62:24)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Insulin’s Ubiquitous Role:
  "Every single cell of the body will respond to insulin in some way—that is not common. Most hormones don't have a universal effect." (Dr. Bikman, 06:52)

• On Type 1 Diabetes:
  "You have to have this hormone. What's important about insulin…is that, yes, it's essential…If we don't have it, death comes in short order." (Dr. Bikman, 06:36)

• On Appetite Addictions:
  "No one is sitting around on a Saturday night craving a plate of bacon and eggs…all of the neurobiology of food addiction has focused on carbs." (Dr. Bikman, 45:47)

• On Alzheimer’s Disease:
  "Alzheimer’s disease is insulin resistance of the brain… it's starving in the midst of plenty, crying out for ketones that the body is not making because the insulin is too high." (Dr. Bikman, 28:50)

• On GLP-1 Drug Downsides:
  "People feel so sick that they get sick of feeling sick." (Dr. Bikman, 47:22)

• Closing Perspective on Chronic Disease:
  "As much as chronic diseases do have individual causes, they all have one thing in common, namely a metabolic origin in the form of insulin resistance." (Dr. Bikman, 63:57)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Insulin Resistance Defined: [01:44–06:36]
• Insulin’s Pathological Role: [09:03–13:32]
• Macronutrients & Insulin Response: [13:32–15:35]
• Role of Muscle & Exercise: [13:41–16:38]
• Post-Meal Hacks (exercise, cinnamon, vinegar): [19:55–22:26]
• Insulin Resistance & Alzheimer’s Disease: [23:15–33:06]
• Fat Cells, Calories, and Ethnicity: [34:11–39:25]
• GLP-1 Drugs / Tirzepatide Discussion: [47:02–53:10]
• Hyperinsulinemia vs. Insulin Resistance: [55:59–60:54]
• Cardiovascular Disease Link: [60:54–63:21]
• Conclusion & Books: [63:57–64:53]

Action Steps & Takeaways

• Monitor Glucose Responses: Use CGMs to understand personal metabolic responses and tailor habits accordingly.
• Prioritize Muscle Mass: Build and maintain muscle for better glucose control.
• Dietary Shifts: Limit high-glycemic carbs and processed foods; intermittent fasting and controlled carb intake help lower insulin.
• Consider Non-Pharma Interventions First: Natural "tricks" like cinnamon, vinegar, and berberine may help.
• Understand Risks with Weight-Loss Drugs: GLP-1 agonists can shrink muscle/bone mass and may not be sustainable for most.
• Early Intervention in Brain Health: Lowering insulin resistance decades before Alzheimer’s symptoms appear is key.

For more, check out Dr. Bikman’s books:

• Why We Get Sick
• How Not to Get Sick

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