A Former Federal Prosecutor on Why He Quit Donald Trump’s Department of Justice

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Episode Overview

Podcast: The New Yorker Radio Hour
Episode Title: A Former Federal Prosecutor on Why He Quit Donald Trump’s Department of Justice
Air Date: March 31, 2026
Host: David Remnick
Key Guests:

• Troy Edwards, former Assistant U.S. Attorney and Deputy Chief of the National Security Section, Eastern District of Virginia
• Ruth Marcus, The New Yorker legal correspondent (interviewer)

The episode offers an in-depth conversation with Troy Edwards, a prominent federal prosecutor who resigned from the Department of Justice (DOJ) during Donald Trump’s second term. Amid widespread political pressure, personal risk, and unprecedented presidential intervention in judicial affairs, Edwards discusses his reasons for leaving, the personal and professional struggles behind his decision, and his deep sense of duty to American constitutional values.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Politicization of the DOJ under Trump

• Context: David Remnick opens with the staggering number of federal employees and prosecutors who left or were forced out under Trump’s second term, highlighting the DOJ’s shift toward overt political missions under Attorney General Pam Bondi ([00:11–01:15]).

• Edwards’ Perspective:

  • Recounts his childhood inspiration for public service, instilled by his father's dedication ([00:51]):

    “I remember thinking, man, I want a job where I get to go serve. And I care so much about it that I'd wake up at four in the morning and iron my uniform.”
    – Troy Edwards (00:51)

The Significance of the Eastern District of Virginia (EDVA)

• National Security Hub: EDVA’s proximity to the Pentagon and intelligence agencies makes it a cornerstone for major national security cases ([03:06]):

  “Because it has a history of being at the forefront of some of the top national security cases.…it is prime location to investigate these kinds of cases.”
  – Troy Edwards (03:06)

Departmental Upheaval and Professional Loyalty

• Initial Response to Political Interference:
  • Despite growing political directives, Edwards felt a duty to remain and finish the essential work of his unit ([02:35]).
  • Witnessed entire DOJ offices resisting, finding their ethical “red lines” ([04:25]):

    “There are factions that are walking out instead of engaging in certain conduct. That is signs of life that the institution is holding that the careers know what matters in the department.”
    – Troy Edwards (04:25)

Personal Impact: The Comey Connection

• Family Targeted:

  • Edwards’ sister-in-law, Maureen Comey, an acclaimed federal prosecutor, was fired without stated cause, almost certainly due to her last name. She is now suing the administration ([05:03–06:18]).
  • Edwards reflects on his family’s resilience, pride in Maureen’s challenge, and the chilling effect within their circles.

• Edwards’ Anticipation:

  • Expresses concern his proximity to James Comey might imperil prosecutions and case continuity if dismissed suddenly ([06:47]):

    "If it happened unexpectedly, it may damage our cases…not because I'm special, but because I may be involved in a case that it'd be hard to pass on if I lose my clearance immediately.”
    – Troy Edwards (06:47)

The Indictment of James Comey: The Final Red Line

• Political Prosecutions:

  • President Trump publicly called for indictments against perceived enemies, including James Comey. Career prosecutors pushed back but were overridden, with loyalists installed by the administration ([07:06-08:09]).

• Resignation Trigger:

  • Edwards was present when the grand jury indicted Comey. In that moment, he knew he had to resign ([08:34–09:14]):

    "It was my line. And there was no calculating, no thinking how to do it. It was, get back to my office, pack up and leave.”
    – Troy Edwards (08:36)

• On His Resignation Letter:

  • A terse but principled exit ([09:23]):

    “That I resigned, effective immediately to uphold my oath to the constitution and country.”
    – Troy Edwards (09:23)

Oath and Accountability

• Explaining His Decision:

  • Felt his oath demanded refusal to silently assent to wrongful prosecution:

    “If I stayed, in my view, it would not be upholding my oath because I would not be standing up for fact and law, which is what I did for almost 10 years in the courtroom.”
    – Troy Edwards (09:39)

• Personal vs. Professional Motivations:

  • Acknowledges the complex, intertwined roles of family loyalty and professional integrity in his decision ([11:02]):

    “It's hard to disentangle the deep love I have for my family and the deep love that I have for this institution.”
    – Troy Edwards (11:02)

The Burdens and Ethics of Staying vs. Leaving

• Why Not Urge Others to Resign?
  • Believes line attorneys must persist for the public good, supervisors should take the principled stand when warranted ([13:18]):

    "If everyone left, it would be much worse. And so in any way, if I could play a role in making sure the line was able to do its work, that was part of my decision making.”
    – Troy Edwards (13:18)

Emotional Consequences & Family Dialogue

• The Pain of Departure:

  • Describes leaving as “like losing a segment of your heart” and shares his profound identity rooted in public service ([15:18–16:02]).

• Explaining His Actions to His Young Sons:

  • A moving conversation occurs as his six-year-old pieces together the family’s losses ([16:31–17:25]):

    “[My son] said, president Trump fired Pop. I said, yes. He said, president Trump fired Maureen. Aunt Maureen. I said, yes, you fired yourself. And I said, yeah, you get it. You get it.”
    – Troy Edwards (16:56)

Aftermath and Reflections

• The Outcome:

  • The Comey indictment was dismissed—not for factual reasons, but because of improper U.S. attorney appointment ([18:15]).

• Regrets & Concerns:

  • Only briefly considered returning during Operation Epic Fury, driven by concern for national security capacity ([18:51]).
  • Expresses ongoing worry for national security while remaining hopeful due to the integrity and perseverance of those who have stayed ([19:50–21:50]).

Memorable Ritual

• Family Reads Declaration of Independence:

  • Annually reading the Declaration is both a tradition and a symbolic reaffirmation of values:

    “It's in part to instill in us a memory of where we've come from and where we need to go.”
    – Troy Edwards (20:09)

• On Returning to DOJ in the Future:

  • “I’d try to be first in line.” ([21:52])

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [00:11–01:15]: Trump era DOJ exodus introduction, Troy Edwards’ background
• [02:35–04:43]: Edwards on departmental duty amid political pressure, “red lines”
• [05:03–06:18]: Maureen Comey’s firing and ramifications
• [07:06–09:14]: The Comey indictment; Edwards’ resignation
• [09:23–10:19]: On the content and meaning of his resignation letter
• [11:02–13:18]: Balancing personal and professional ethics
• [15:18–16:06]: The personal toll and explaining to his children
• [18:15–19:46]: Dismissal of the Comey indictment, security worries post-resignation
• [21:52]: Would Edwards return to the DOJ?

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Notable Quotes

“It was like losing a segment of your heart. And that sounds so corny to say it out loud, but that's just how it felt.”
– Troy Edwards ([15:18])

“I care about the Department of Justice. I care about its role in American life, and I was so happy to be a part of that. Every day we got to just stand up and do the right thing. That was awesome. And stepping away from that, it had ingrained itself in part of my DNA.”
– Troy Edwards ([15:25])

“My oldest looked at me and said, I think I get it. He said, president Trump fired Pop. … you fired yourself. And I said, yeah, you get it.”
– Troy Edwards ([16:56])

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Tone & Style

Throughout, the conversation is candid, insightful, and emotionally resonant. Edwards and Marcus uphold a tone of somber integrity, at times laced with understated humor and understated passion for justice. Their dialogue balances technical legal insight with human story—making policy decisions deeply personal and relevant to all listeners.

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Transcript

[Narrator/Host]

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co production of WNYC Studios and the New Yorker.

[David Remnick]

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. Since the start of Donald Trump's second term, it's estimated that over 300,000 federal workers have been forced out of their jobs or have left voluntarily. And notable among them were thousands of federal prosecutors in the Justice Department. These are generally ambitious, driven lawyers who could have been making much more money in the private sector. The Attorney General, Pam Bondi, has made no bones about putting the Justice Department on political missions. And quite a few career prosecutors just could not abide that, including a man by the name of Troy Edwards.

[Troy Edwards]

I remember. It's still seared into my memory. My dad would wake up in the morning at about 4 something in the morning, every morning and iron his uniform. That hiss of that iron is still seared into my memory because I remember thinking, man, I want a job where I get to go serve. And I care so much about it that I'd wake up at four in the morning and iron my uniform. And the National Security Division gave me the chance to do that.

[David Remnick]

As an assistant US attorney, Edwards prosecuted major January 6 cases, helping to win convictions against members of the Oath Keepers. He later served as Deputy Chief of the National Security Section in the Eastern District of Virginia. And when he resigned last year, that made headlines, partly because Troy Edwards happens to be the son in law of James Comey, the controversial former FBI director who holds a top spot on Donald Trump's enemies list. Edwards spoke with the New Yorker's legal correspondent, Ruth Marcus.

[Ruth Marcus]

So Pam Bondi comes in as Attorney General. She sends out a memo advising you and your fellow prosecutors that your job is to execute the views of the President of the United States. The President comes to the Great hall of justice and gives a speech denouncing many things, including the scum prosecutors who had vindictively gone after him in the previous administration. What's your response to all of this? What are you thinking?

[Troy Edwards]

That we had a job to do. All of that can play out and be wrong. And yet the National Security Section in edva, which I believe is one of the most important in the country, had a job to do. I had a unit to help supervise, that had victims and had dangers to our community, that if we left then more damage would be done.

[Ruth Marcus]

Yeah. EDVA is the Eastern District of Virginia. Why is EDVA such a central part in the national security universe?

[Troy Edwards]

Because it has a history of being at the forefront of some of the top national security cases. And has continued to build on that history. And that history originates from its location being near the Pentagon, near the intelligence community, near the national security apparatus, such that it is prime location to investigate these kinds of cases.

[Ruth Marcus]

So you're watching what's going on at justice, both in U.S. attorney's offices around the country and at the FBI and main justice, where people are being I think fired willy nilly is the technical term. Is this what you had been braced for or worse than you had expected?

[Troy Edwards]

What I braced for? I mean, on day one, hundreds of people were pardoned, including people who violently attacked police officers. You have to know that something worse is going to happen if that's day one. I think what I felt was pride at all the instances in which the institution was holding. And so I think that educates a little bit on how I look back on it.

[Ruth Marcus]

And what are you thinking of in that regard?

[Troy Edwards]

I mean, there are whole US Attorney's offices that are not contributing to certain cases. There are factions that are walking out instead of engaging in certain conduct. That is signs of life that the institution is holding that the careers know what matters in the department.

[Ruth Marcus]

They were finding their red lines and you were sticking it out until your red line kind of slapped you in the face.

[Troy Edwards]

Right. It was like watching a wildfire when you're in a neighborhood and you see the flames kind of engulf certain homes around you and you know an ember may land on your house and at some point it landed on ours.

[Ruth Marcus]

Well, I want to get to that. But before the ember landed on your house, it landed on your sister in law's house in the Southern District of New York. Maureen Comey was an extremely well regarded federal Prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan. And she was fired in I believe it was July of 2025 with no explanation of. But the explanation that I got in the reporting that I did on this was that her last name was Comey. That must have been a pretty shattering moment for your family.

[Troy Edwards]

It was for a family that can handle it. She was and is frankly one of the best prosecutors in the country. Although I tease her that the the Southern District of New York has a rival in the Eastern District of Virginia. And I am very proud that she is engaged in the litigation she is engaged in by suing the administration for doing what was unlawful and terminating her.

[Ruth Marcus]

She is one of the relatively few people, I think, who has filed suit over her improper dismissal.

[Troy Edwards]

That's right. And it's so important that she's doing that because it allows the process to work out where we will establish precedent that this is not okay. And it will pave the road for others to travel to show that this is not okay.

[Ruth Marcus]

And are you worried, by the way, when your sister in law is fired that maybe these people are smart enough to figure out that there is another Comey in the building or.

[Troy Edwards]

Yes, of course that crossed my mind. And in large part it was because if it happened unexpectedly, it may damage our cases that I'm on or damage national security, not because I'm special, but because I may be involved in a case that it'd be hard to pass on if I lose my clearance immediately. And so of course that was a concern.

[Ruth Marcus]

And as that is going on, the president is inveighing against James Comey. He's issuing edicts on Truth Social that I guess are supposed to be private to Pam Bondi, but he publishes them for the world to see, to say that he wants to see Comey indicted, that he wants to see Letitia James, the New York Attorney General indicted for mortgage fraud. Eric Siebert, the U.S. attorney with experience as a career prosecutor, it's been reported, says, I cannot find the case here. He either leaves or is fired by the President, depending on which rendition of the facts that you believe. But it doesn't really matter because he's gone. He is replaced by insurance lawyer Lindsey Halligan, not a career prosecutor. You actually, I think, went to court to see the indictment returned.

[Troy Edwards]

That's right.

[Ruth Marcus]

Just describe that moment.

[Troy Edwards]

There was a bit of an out of body experience for me. I remember wondering what was going to happen. I had no role in it. And so I was in the public part of the courtroom to wait and see if the grand jury would return an indictment. And when they did, and they announced changes.

[Ruth Marcus]

This is kind of late in the evening.

[Troy Edwards]

Yes, that's right. It's six or seven in the evening. And I remember, you know, leadership walks in and the grand jury walks in, the foreperson and the magistrate judge holds the hearing. And when they announce James Comey's name. It was my line. And there was no calculating, no thinking how to do it. It was, get back to my office, pack up and leave.

[Ruth Marcus]

You literally went back to your office that night.

[Troy Edwards]

That's right.

[Ruth Marcus]

And packed your things.

[Troy Edwards]

That's right.

[Ruth Marcus]

And you wrote a very brief resignation letter. What did it say?

[Troy Edwards]

That I resigned, effective immediately to uphold my oath to the constitution and country.

[Ruth Marcus]

And it was upholding your oath because it just. Now that you're able to elaborate. Elaborate on that.

[Troy Edwards]

Yeah, I find it incumbent upon all of us who take that oath to use it as a touchstone for everything we do, every case, every investigation. Is it upholding this oath? If I stayed, in my view, it would not be upholding my oath because I would not be standing up for fact and law, which is what I did for almost 10 years in the courtroom. And so to uphold it, I needed to leave. I'm doing it through the lens of trying to stand up for my oath and call out what's happening to our institution and our Constitution. And so I felt like the first step in doing that was leaving when that happened.

[Ruth Marcus]

And why is that? Because, honestly, I'm just gonna give you a little bit of a hard time here. You've looked at other situations where the Department of Justice has interfered in cases, ordered, cases dropped. For example, in terms of the prosecution of May Eric Adams in New York over the objections of serious, experienced prosecutors, is this one a red line because of your personal connection and, you know, the charges not to be fair, or is it a red line because it's simply your professional judgment that this indictment does not pass muster?

[Troy Edwards]

Both. It's hard to disentangle the deep love I have for my family and the deep love that I have for this institution. And so engaging in a hypothetical where I find which strand was worse or animating my decision more is difficult. But it was a combination of knowing close up what was happening here was wrong because of my relationship to my family, but also knowing that the President had just called for the prosecution of his perceived enemies, and now it's my office that's involved in doing it. And the role that I had as a supervisor played a big role, a big part of why I left. Because I started realizing that if I come back the next day, then it is somehow some silent ascent to my unit that this was okay.

[Ruth Marcus]

Even though you are in the national security space, this was in a different space. I suppose you could have sliced the salami in a different way, though. It's getting pretty thin. Too thin at that point.

[Troy Edwards]

And everyone has, again, their own red lines, and we need good people in there to do the work they do. I could not look at my unit in the face and say that this was okay and that we continue to put our heads down, but I wanted them to stay. And so I thought by leaving, in part, shows them that this is not okay and gives them a voice that they can't have as the line and allows them to continue doing the good work they're doing.

[Ruth Marcus]

I'm a little bit Confused by that, you decide that it's incumbent on you to leave. The indictment of James Comey for allegedly making false statements is one of the flimsiest and most legally deficient documents that I've ever seen. I could not figure out, looking at this, what his alleged false statement was. In fact, it was completely incoherent. But you're saying that you can't tolerate that as a manager, but that the foot soldiers should just keep on going. Why?

[Troy Edwards]

Because the country relies on them. It's incumbent upon people in the managerial space or in the supervisory roles to take those hits and leave. If everyone left, it would be much worse. And so in any way, if I could play a role in making sure the line was able to do its work, that was part of my decision making. But I don't mean to sit here and say that it was not in some way, my connection to my family. I think it just means that relationship hit me harder because I knew the department was after an innocent man. I can't stand for that.

[Ruth Marcus]

When you walked into the courtroom that evening and heard James Comey being the subject of an indictment, had you known in your gut that that was the end for you? Had you already made that decision?

[Troy Edwards]

I knew it's so complicated to disentangle. But the department had just indicted an innocent man, and I was very close to that innocent man. Right. I had met him when I was 17 years old, and since then, I had grown up going to him for help on everything. Life, leadership, the department. And so not knowing anything about the facts. I wasn't involved in the investigation, any of that. Just knowing who he was and knowing what the department had just done, both professionally and personally, was not something I could stand for.

[Ruth Marcus]

And did you ask his guidance on your decision to leave?

[Troy Edwards]

I did not want to talk to him in the lead up to this decision for a lot of reasons. And so by that point, having known him for so long, I knew what he would say, that I needed to make sure that I was brave enough to stand up on principle, regardless of the consequences.

[Ruth Marcus]

What was it like for you walking out of there at what I guess you knew would be the last time?

[Troy Edwards]

It was like losing a segment of your heart. And that sounds so corny to say it out loud, but that's just how it felt. I really drank the Kool Aid. I care about the Department of Justice. I care about its role in American life, and I was so happy to be a part of that. Every day we got to just stand up and do the right thing. That was awesome. And stepping away from that, it had ingrained itself in part of my DNA. I think it does for everyone who's there. And every single person who has left, whether forced or not, has felt that pain. And it was hard.

[Ruth Marcus]

And how did you explain this to your sons?

[Troy Edwards]

Yeah, that was hard. I just feel a little emotional because as part of doing this, I was trying to represent what I would want them to do. And it's the most important job I have. It's going to sound so corny, but it means a lot to me, is making sure my three boys become men in this world who are good contributors to society.

[Ruth Marcus]

They are how old now?

[Troy Edwards]

Six, four and two. And so I've tried to talk to them about that in age appropriate ways. And my 6 year old clicked pretty quickly when I needed to explain to them what it means to resign because I didn't want to use the word quit. We've instilled in them that we don't quit, that we try hard things till their completion. I tried to explain to them what it means to step away from something if it's wrong. And my oldest looked at me and said, I think I get it. He said, president Trump fired Pop. I said, yes. He said, president Trump fired Maureen. Aunt Maureen. I said, yes, you fired yourself. And I said, yeah, you get it. You get it.

[David Remnick]

The lawyer Troy Edwards, speaking with the New Yorker's Ruth Marcus. More in a moment.

[Troy Edwards]

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[David Remnick]

I don't know. I've never seen this happen.

[Troy Edwards]

I've got skirts, I've got shorts.

[David Remnick]

Is this true?

[Troy Edwards]

This is true. Mysteries of every size each week. This American Life, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ruth Marcus]

When you look at the outcome here, which at least so far, justice has been done. The indictment was dismissed not for the reason that it was so factually and legally inadequate, though that might have happened also, but for the reason that Lindsey halligan, the replacement U.S. attorney, was not appropriately appointed. Is there any time that you think in the middle of the night, gee, maybe I could have stuck it out

[Troy Edwards]

one time. And it was in the starting weekend of Operation Epic Fury. And when that started, I sat for about an hour or two and asked my wife, who I go to on everything, do I set all this aside and try and go back to help? Because I was deeply worried about the lack of preparedness of our national security apparatus, given what has happened about what could happen if Iran attempted to retaliate. And again, not because I'm some special expert in the field, but because I'm hands and feet and can run and investigate and prosecute cases and keep our community safe. I wondered if I should try. Not that they'd ever have me back, but that's the one time I've thought about it.

[Ruth Marcus]

So how worried are you?

[Troy Edwards]

I'm concerned and I qualify it because there are amazing men and women who are still in doing this work every day, which is what I mean earlier when I said I hope they stay and do this work because we need them. I'm worried because they shoulder additional responsibility at preserving American security with fewer people around them, fewer resources, and an administration that's distracting them and that's not setting them up for success. And so I'm worried for them and for our national security. I'm going to say something you're going to make fun of. My friends certainly do. Every 4th of July we my family reads the Declaration of Independence. And it is in part, I'm convinced my in laws attempt to haze the newbies by giving them sections that have really hard words to pronounce, which I think I failed at a number of times. But it's in part to instill in us a memory of where we've come from and where we need to go. And it touches on this concept, the rebuild of the Justice Department, because if you look back on the long train of abuses and usurpations that Jefferson and others wrote about, included in that was the king's constant abuse of the judiciary and the abuse of taking soldiers, the British soldiers who had been accused of crimes and returning them to Britain for punishment, which meant leniency. That's embedded in our founding that there was abuse of the criminal justice system and we stood up to it.

[Ruth Marcus]

Has anybody turned around and returned that you know of?

[Troy Edwards]

No. I know plenty of folks who plan to

[Ruth Marcus]

when things change.

[Troy Edwards]

God willing. There are a number of folks who are at the ready to go back and do the mission and do it as a career.

[Ruth Marcus]

And would you be among them?

[Troy Edwards]

I'd try to be first in line.

[Ruth Marcus]

Troy, it's really been a pleasure to talk to you.

[Troy Edwards]

Thank you so much for having me.

[David Remnick]

Troy Edwards was a federal prosecutor and he resigned from the Department of Justice last fall. Ruth Marcus writes for the New Yorker on the Supreme Court and the Justice Department, and you can find her [e-mail] I'm David Remnick and that's our program for today. Thanks for listening. See you next time.

[Narrator/Host]

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[David Remnick]

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[Narrator/Host]

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[Troy Edwards]

Cheers. Cheers.

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