The New Yorker Radio Hour: Spike Lee and Denzel Washington on a Reunion Making “Highest 2 Lowest”

Hosted by David Remnick

Introduction

In the August 15, 2025 episode of The New Yorker Radio Hour, host David Remnick engages in a captivating conversation with acclaimed director Spike Lee and legendary actor Denzel Washington. The duo reunites to discuss their latest collaboration, the film “Highest 2 Lowest,” marking their first joint project in nearly two decades. This in-depth discussion delves into their enduring partnership, the creative inspirations behind the film, and the intricate process of bringing their vision to life.

Reuniting After Two Decades

Spike Lee and Denzel Washington first collaborated in 1990 on “Mo Better Blues,” where Washington portrayed a struggling trumpet player and Lee took on the role of his manager. Their partnership flourished with subsequent projects, including the critically acclaimed “Malcolm X” and “Inside Man.” However, after “Inside Man,” their paths diverged, making “Highest 2 Lowest” a highly anticipated reunion.

David Remnick: “Spike, we spoke a couple of years ago and you were telling me that for She’s Gotta Have It you borrowed from Kurosawa's Rashomon, the way different perspectives complicate the narrative and so on. Why did you go to High and Low as kind of source material and inspiration for the new movie?”
Spike Lee (02:25): “Well, first of all, I got asked about my brother right here, Denzel Washington. That's how this whole thing happened. It was a gift given me by Mr. Washington.”

Drawing Inspiration from Kurosawa

“Highest 2 Lowest” is inspired by Akira Kurosawa’s 1963 film High and Low. Lee emphasizes the moral dilemmas and ethical questions that underpin the narrative, reflecting on what individuals are willing or unwilling to do under pressure.

Spike Lee (03:47): “Here's the thing, though. It's about this film, to me, is about morals and what someone will do and won't do.”

The film centers on Denzel Washington’s character, David King, a music mogul embroiled in a kidnapping and ransom plot, challenging the audience to consider their own moral boundaries.

Spike Lee (04:17): “What would you think? The character that David King is, they will ask themselves, if you were in this situation, would you pay the ransom? Would you pay. How much would you pay?”

A Seamless Collaboration

Their professional relationship, built over multiple projects, allowed for a seamless collaboration on “Highest 2 Lowest.” Lee praises Washington’s unwavering trust and commitment to the craft, which has only strengthened over their 19-year hiatus since “Inside Man.”

Spike Lee (03:43): “But here's the thing, though. I was amazed when I was told that number because time flies. And I just never thought. I did not know that I'd been that long. I had hoped that I work with Denzel again because Inside Man was our most profitable.”

Denzel Washington (05:02): “Here we are. It was that simple. Denzel Washington is Denzel Washington. And there are certain figures in this industry that...”

Their mutual respect and understanding facilitate a productive environment where creativity can flourish.

Innovative Filmmaking Techniques

“Highest 2 Lowest” incorporates innovative filmmaking techniques, paying homage to Kurosawa while introducing modern elements. One standout moment is a scene featuring a panel of glass separating characters, symbolizing barriers and misunderstandings.

Spike Lee (11:22): “And that's what Spike trust. I trust Spike completely. I didn't even know what. The way he was shooting it. I'm learning today because I wasn't there for that. He was handling that, and I was.”

Lee explains the technical prowess behind the scene:

Spike Lee (12:00): “We had two dollies that were attached. So they moved at the same exact time. And I had never done that before.”

This meticulous attention to detail ensures that each scene not only advances the plot but also deepens the audience’s emotional engagement.

Embracing Improvisation

Both Lee and Washington value improvisation, allowing actors to explore their characters beyond the script. A pivotal moment occurs during a rap battle scene, which was not originally scripted but emerged organically during filming.

Spike Lee (13:10): “He grabbed this grenade, said you know sometimes I feel like blowing this up. It's not about just what's on the script. It has to be deeper than that.”

Denzel Washington (14:07): “We have that over five years. Over five films. And whatever amount of years it's been that shorthand. And I completely, 1000% trust spike, and I do what I. I do my part and he does the rest.”

This flexibility fosters authentic performances, enriching the narrative with genuine emotion and spontaneity.

Musical Influences and Cultural Impact

Music plays a crucial role in driving the film’s narrative, particularly in the chase scene set against the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Collaborating with the late Eddie Palmieri, Lee integrates salsa and vibrant rhythms to infuse energy and cultural depth.

Spike Lee (20:23): “So in post-production, I need another song. He sent me another song, and the title's On the Low. And then we recruited as many boycoas as we could find in the Bronx. Puerto Rican ladies. Yeah, I got it. To be in the crowd, we hand out the Puerto Rican flag.”

This fusion of music and storytelling not only propels the action but also pays tribute to the vibrant cultural tapestry of New York City.

Philosophical Reflections

Denzel Washington shares his profound belief in divine guidance, shaping both his personal life and artistic endeavors. He emphasizes that his work is inspired by a higher purpose rather than industry pressures.

Denzel Washington (06:34): “I fear God, not man. I could care less what man thinks about what I've done or about what I'm doing. So wherever I go from this day forward, you remember that God is leading me.”

Spike Lee echoes this sentiment, highlighting the deep-seated trust and brotherhood that underpin their collaboration.

Spike Lee (14:16): “It's like a great band. We're all playing this the same part, but you know, it's not something that's discussed. It's a feeling and, and it takes over time.”

Celebrating the Theatrical Experience

Both Lee and Washington advocate for the traditional cinematic experience, urging audiences to watch “Highest 2 Lowest” in theaters to fully appreciate its energy and communal impact.

Spike Lee (16:28): “I remember seeing Jaws, Alien, Close Encounters. I mean, I mean like I waited two hours in the freezing cold to see The Exorcist there. Two hours, must have been two degrees. People were screaming. You could hear people vomiting. You can't get that at home.”

Denzel Washington (17:07): “Everybody. Friday, go to your local theater and throw up.”

Their nostalgic reflections underscore the unique magic that collective viewing experiences bring to storytelling.

Closing Remarks and Anticipation

As the conversation winds down, Spike Lee and Denzel Washington share their excitement for the film’s release, encouraging listeners to experience it firsthand.

Spike Lee (24:24): “Now I know. Oh.”
Denzel Washington (24:25): “August 15th. Friday.”
Spike Lee (24:31): “Yes, Friday.”

Their enthusiasm is palpable, promising a film that not only entertains but also provokes thoughtful reflection on moral choices and societal dynamics.

Conclusion

The August 15, 2025 episode of The New Yorker Radio Hour offers an illuminating glimpse into the collaborative genius of Spike Lee and Denzel Washington. “Highest 2 Lowest” emerges as a testament to their enduring partnership, innovative storytelling, and commitment to cinematic excellence. For fans and newcomers alike, this film promises to be a compelling exploration of ethics, culture, and the human condition, best experienced together in the vibrant setting of a movie theater.

Thank you for joining us for this episode of The New Yorker Radio Hour. Don’t miss “Highest 2 Lowest” in theaters now.