Professor Christopher Summerfield, a leading neuroscientist at Oxford University and Research Director at the UK AI Safety Institute, former Senior Research Scientist at Google DeepMind, discusses his new book, These Strange New Minds, which explores how large language models learned to talk, how they differ from the human brain, and what their rise means for control, agency, and the future of work.

We discuss:
The real risk of AI — losing control, not extinction

How AI agents act in digital loops humans can’t see

Why agency may be more essential than reward

Fragility, feedback loops, and flash-crash analogies

What AI is teaching us about human intelligence

Augmentation vs. replacement in medicine, law, and beyond

Why trust is the social form of agency — and why humans must stay in the loop

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Guest Notes:
Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience
🌐 Human Information Processing Lab (Oxford)
🏛 UK AI Safety Institute
Experimental Psychology
Oxford University

Human Information Processing (HIP) lab in the Department of Experimental Psychology at the University of Oxford, run by Professor Christopher Summerfield: https://humaninformationprocessing.com/

📘 These Strange New Minds (Penguin Random House): https://www.amazon.com/These-Strange-New-Minds-Learned/dp/0593831713

Christopher Summerfield Media:
https://csummerfield.github.io/personal_website/
https://flightlessprofessors.org
twitter: @summerfieldlab
bluesky: @summerfieldlab.bsky.social

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🕒 Timestamps / Chapters
00:00 Cold open — control, agency, and AI
00:31 Guest intro: Oxford → DeepMind → UK AI Safety Institute
01:02 The real story behind AI “takeover”: loss of control
03:02 Is AI going to kill us? The control problem explained
06:10 Agency as a basic psychological good
10:46 The Faustian bargain: efficiency vs. personal agency
13:12 What are AI agents and why are they fragile?
20:12 Three risk buckets: misuse, errors, systemic effects
24:58 Fragility & flash-crash analogies in AI systems
30:37 Do we really understand how models think? (Transformers 101)
34:16 What AI is teaching us about human intelligence
36:46 Brains vs. neural nets: similarities & differences
43:57 Embodiment and why robotics is still hard
46:28 Augmentation vs. replacement in white-collar work
50:14 Trust as social agency — why humans must stay in the loop
52:49 Where to find Christopher & closing thoughts

Losing Control: How AI Agents Could Run the World — with Oxford’s Christopher Summerfield

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