Kate the Brave (5:57)

So when I first got in the car to drive over here, I immediately started crying. It wasn't me. It wasn't my emotions. It had nothing to do with me at all. So I just kind of, like, let it pass and asked who was coming in. And it felt like a younger woman. I don't know why she's sad yet, but I think that's going to be coming up more. Also, when we pulled up, the back of this feels so different than the front of the business. Like, here, it's a lot of tugging. Like, I felt somebody tugging on me. When I got here, I kept seeing shadows in the windows, and I keep seeing this older woman standing in the windows, and it looks like she has, like, a longer dress, and it's very much more of a silhouette of her than I think of what she actually. I don't think people are seeing really, a lot of physical stuff. But the thing is, she's tied to the place historically, and I see, like, her mostly staying on the top floor and not so much going down, and the energies feel separated.

Stephen Ballew (7:25)

Energies? You're talking about the younger woman and the older woman.

Kate the Brave (7:28)

I mean, like, the physical energy and the way that things feel. Like upstairs is a completely different energy. I think there's different spirits up here. Some of them go back and forth, but, like, she's very separated from the bottom, and the spirits that are at the bottom, they feel different, and they interact with guests differently than, like, up here also. And I don't think this is going to really be, like, a main thing, but the kids here, it feels like there's like, three or four is the number I'm hearing that could be age or quantity. But even when I was loading up my stuff, I felt like a little girl. She was talking to me about my tarot card. She wanted to. She wants me to, like, take them out and show her the pictures. And she really likes to be interacted with and played with. I feel like they like that game table There a lot. And they really like to interact with the guests. That's how it feels because they're. They're kids. They want attention. I also am picking up on, like, a little boy. That's why I feel like there's multiple. But that's not as prevalent, I think, as. And that could be because she feels most comfortable with me.

Stephen Ballew (8:47)

Where are you feeling the kids? Is there. Is there specific areas of the building or is there floors or really this.

Kate the Brave (8:54)

Room across the hallway right here, Especially not so much this side. More so this side. And that woman feels more tied here. She also was pointing to this, too. I don't know what it's a picture of. I'm trying to see. I'm like, is this about you? Does it look like you? She says, yes. Anything else I need to mention? Oh, it also feels like there's a man that gets a lot of attention here, and they're trying to, like, sweep it away. That's how it feels outside, more so than inside. There's a man, and I have this written down. When we walked inside of the cafe, I felt, like, an immense pain in my back. Like, really bad right here. It was not my back pain. And when we left the cafe, it left, too. But it feels tied to an energy that manipulates or, like, moves things. The one. It feels like this is the one that creates the activity here.

Stephen Ballew (9:59)

And then you said something that was. That's what I wanted to get clarity on. They're trying to sweep it under the rug. You're talking about the spirit is trying to sweep it in the rug, or you're talking about people here. What was that?

Kate the Brave (10:08)

I think they're trying to bring the attention to, like, the woman. It feels like the woman's trying to bring the attention to, like, her. Her family. Almost like the way that it feels is when a victim is trying to bring the attention to them instead of glorifying the oppressor. That's how it feels. I'm not saying that she was oppressed. This is just my initial. It feels like she's, like, trying to pull the attention to her and away from this.

Stephen Ballew (10:37)

Anything you did initially say it was like, a male energy.

Kate the Brave (10:40)

It does feel male. And also the word manipulates. I keep hearing manipulates. He's the one that, like, messes with people. He's, like, touching things, but he tries to hide. And I almost see him, like, stepping back so people can't get a grasp on him, if that makes sense.

Stephen Ballew (11:02)

Elusive is he in your mind yet? And it's okay if you don't have it yet, but is there locations that you feel him more?

Kate the Brave (11:09)

I don't know. But I do know there's this corner that I'm really drawn to. It's on the second floor and it's like the balcony around it is thinner. I'll point it out to you. There's definitely somebody who stands there and I'm wondering if it's related to him.

Stephen Ballew (11:29)

Okay. But not sure yet.

Kate the Brave (11:30)

Yeah, okay. And then also I wonder if somebody like jumped or fell off of this and it would be like this way is how it would feel.

Stephen Ballew (11:42)

I want to take a moment to break down some of the key impressions Kate shared during her initial walkthrough. Right away, she noted the presence of multiple spirits. First, a young woman, though at this point it's unclear who that could be. There haven't been many direct reports of a young female spirit here. But it's still early in the investigation, and I've learned over time that more dominant energies often rise to the surface slowly while others feel fade into the background. It's something I've observed often when working with mediums in unfamiliar spaces. Kate also mentioned seeing shadows in the windows, sensing the presence of an older woman, a prominent male spirit, potentially someone with strong historical ties to the home, and another male presence downstairs, which she felt might be the source of much of the physical activity people have been reporting. Lastly, she picked up on the presence of children upstairs, possibly a boy and a girl. She said their energy felt strongest in the larger open dining and guest room on the left wing of the second floor. That stood out to me because that differs slightly from what Fredo and haunted ATX guides have reported. There are reports, sightings and sensations of a boy in the room on the right side of the upstairs, the same room where I'm conducting this first interview, as well as a single report of a young girl spirit being trapped on the bottom floor. Kate, on the other hand, placed the girl upstairs and seemed to feel her more strongly than the boy. What's interesting is that the children reported in the windows have always been seen on the right side of the home, not the left where Kate was sensing them. Still, the consistency in terms of there being one boy and one girl and their presence primarily upstairs is worth noting. One particularly compelling moment was when Kate gestured to a large framed historical poster I had intentionally covered tonight. It details the life of Walter E. Tips, his accomplishments, his wife, his children, and more. Kate said the female spirit was directing her attention to this plaque saying her name would be found there. She Also mentioned that while many stories center around a male figure in this home, this woman spirit wanted her story told to be recognized. And it made me wonder, could this possibly be Johanna Mary Jane Pierce, Walter Tip's wife? We would have to give it more time and see what further developed tonight. In my earlier interviews, haunted ATX guide Marisol shared that she too felt the presence of an older woman and even once physically saw her in the downstairs bathroom. That connection, if confirmed, could be significant. As for the other male presence downstairs, the one that Kate felt might be tied to most of the heavier, more physical sensations that also caught my attention. Both haunted ATX guides described feeling an oppressive energy throughout the lower floor. Marisol even recalled seeing an older man staring at her angrily through the downstairs window near the Wells Fargo atmosphere. Again, there's nothing solid yet to confirm these connections, but the patterns are beginning to take shape and I'm flagging these early impressions for further exploration. Next, I brought Jeffrey into the same upstairs room, the one where many have seen the faces of children in the windows, to record his initial impressions. Meanwhile, Kate and Meg remained separate, continuing their individual exploration upstairs under the watchful eye of my team. Here's what Jeffrey had to this is.

Jeffrey (14:47)

What I started picking up back on like the 10th of April when you first told me we had a new investigation. So it's like just a noisy place. Somebody like blowing on someone's neck or in their ear and like a little like, hey, you know, like, hey whispered in their ear. Banging noises, like from a kitchen. Like when I was young, I worked at a pizza place. So, you know, like those banging of those big metal pans banging together, that kind of noises. I saw a space with great big lights, but I wrote down, don't want the big bright lights on. But I don't remember who that was. I got the feeling like that the place or whoever was here in the place didn't like it when all the big lights were on. They liked it was better dark. I wonder if the building, I knew it was a building was something else before there was something built on the site or something else like that. Of course, it's obviously not the same. This was a house and now it's something else. But then I guess this was today. I was. I got the vehicle feeling about some renovations and there are places that need some repairs. But obviously renovations, lights, drinks, arcade, like theme restaurant. I wrote down. I kept seeing like lots of colored either posters or paintings on the walls, you know. And then once we got here, obviously I was drawn to the Staircase, but you know, things like peeking faces, peeking over the stair, you know, from upstairs, looking down.

Stephen Ballew (16:14)

I heard.

Jeffrey (16:15)

I felt like somebody would be, like, up here in the stairwell, you know, saying, shh. Then once we came in, it was. Or I was. No, I was still outside. I was wondering if there was like a sort of. Like a sad or a bad mood kind of a feeling in a. Certain people get in a certain spot or a certain room, and from outside, it looks like they're offices. But I wanted to know what was in those back rooms on that little back wing up here on the second floor. I kept looking at the windows, looking at the windows, you know, wondering if there's like a hand in the window, maybe a little blurry face, you know, which is kind of a classic thing, but. And then when I was sitting in the room across the. The big room by the fireplace, I started feeling like probably maybe like the original owners when the house was new, 1900s. Married couple, a guy with a mustache, a wife, maybe a little bit younger than he was. Dark blonde or brown, you know, light brown hair, definitely in the long skirts. And then I don't know about the attic. I know there has to be one, but I don't know if there's. I kept staring at the. The trapdoor, you know, the entry to it. I guess there's a ladder that comes down, but I don't know if it was like, maybe scratching or something moving up there, but, you know, a noise from up there maybe, and then for a little bit. And it may be connected with this bad feeling place or spot, but some, like. Some not just crying, but, like sobbing. Like a deep, deep, you know, like really deeply sad sobbing. And that's everything I got so far right now.

Stephen Ballew (17:45)

Just the sense, the senses of, like, presences was just sort of the possible previous owner and wife. Is there any other things that kind of stood out to you? Bottom floor, top floor, outside?

Jeffrey (17:55)

Not really. Not yet. It's still. It's still so full of people and noisy. I'm getting more, like, impressions from the house, you know, probably more like residuals. I feel like there's someone here, though. But it's. It's like someone barely peeking around the corner way, way down the hall. I'm not close enough to it yet, but it. I mean, it does feel like there's something.

Stephen Ballew (18:17)

I meant to ask something more clarification. The other drawing, you had windows. I was curious if there was. It might just be general, but did you have any sense of, like, which windows you were seeing imagery in this.

Jeffrey (18:28)

Came to me when I was looking at those windows that would be in those. In that back wing where the. I guess the offices are looking down to where we were sitting when you were outside. Not on this side of the house, but the other side.

Stephen Ballew (18:38)

Yeah.

Jeffrey (18:39)

There's like. I think there's three of them.

Stephen Ballew (18:40)

Okay.

Jeffrey (18:41)

And they were dark, you know, not. I don't know what that was in the original layout of the house, but those are smaller windows, not the big, tall ones like in all these rooms, so.

Stephen Ballew (18:53)

Oh, cool.

Jeffrey (18:53)

But it was. It was mostly from those three windows that I just kept looking and looking and looking. So that little back part back there, lots of stuff about the window. I was just. I mean, obviously because of the way the house is, it's full of windows, but it's like windows. I couldn't stop thinking about the windows.

Stephen Ballew (19:09)

Okay.

Jeffrey (19:10)

There's the other thing I forgot. I wrote it real small.

Stephen Ballew (19:12)

Was.

Jeffrey (19:12)

I don't know where, but I wonder if people have seen, like, lights on, then off. Lights on, lights off.

Stephen Ballew (19:19)

Jeffrey, as a medium, often begins receiving impressions even before arriving on site. During his brief time here, while we were still outside, he began picking up on familiar energies, though nothing overwhelmingly strong had come through just yet. That said, he did mention seeing visuals of what he believed to be a married couple, possibly former owners of the home. One detail stood out to me. He described the man as having a large, prominent mustache. Walter Tips was known for exactly that. It's one of the most recognizable features in every photo I've seen of him. Combined with Kate's earlier impressions of a man and woman dynamic tied to the house, it. It had me wondering, could we be picking up energy from Walter and his wife Johanna? Jeffrey also noted seeing figures, faces and hands in the upstairs windows. A unique and noteworthy report. Across the many cases we've covered on this show, there's really only been one other case where that kind of detail was so vividly reported. Episode one at Royal Legion Tattoo. In this case, Kate had described an older woman in the window, while Jeffrey wasn't able to clearly identify who he was seeing. But interestingly, he too saw the figures in the left side windows upstairs. The same ones Kate referenced earlier. This contrasts with the reported sightings of children, which have historically been seen on the right side of the upstairs. Still, all reported sightings have been in the upstairs windows, which does line up across the board. Lastly, Jeffrey mentioned hearing bangs, scratches, voices and whispers, which echoed some of the reports we'd gathered already. But the locations he sends these in to the didn't quite line up. That said, it was still early in the night. These things often take quite a bit of time to come into focus. So I sent Jeffrey back out to continue his solo exploration while I brought Meg into the same upstairs room for her initial check in.

Meg (21:00)

So leading up to coming here, I started feeling, like, throbbing in my head. And a lot of symptoms that I get similar to when I go near Pioneer Farms. So I knew something big was going on here. And then what was really interesting when we pulled up, you sort of startled me because I was busy watching the side. The side paneling on the house was jiggling. So that tells me that this house was moved from somewhere else. I don't know if it was moved, like, as a giant piece, which is kind of what I saw, or it was deconstructed and reconstructed in pieces. But this house is. Has been moved from somewhere else. And it was really ridiculous. It looked like a Mickey Mouse cartoon. Like the panels were like, down the side of the house. But I am getting a lot. I'm more of a land and building person than conscious entities a lot of times. So for me, it's the building. I'm just getting a lot of very similar to pioneer farmers. I mean, 1800s, 1860, 60s, 70s. And it's probably moved. And it's very Victorian era. I'm seeing, like, move. So like maybe turn of the century, 19, 1900s, 1910, probably around there. But I just think it's really interesting that it feels very solid, but it is very akin to Pioneer Farms. The home also feels. I don't know if it's itself a portal or if there's several in the house, but it reminds me of the Bell House again at Pioneer Farms in the sense that there's a lot of energy patterns repeating. There's a lot of big energy. And when I had that thought in my head, sitting in the other room with Franklin just now, something messed with. I don't know what it was. You'll have to ask Franklin. We heard a noise and he kind of looked at me like, did you do that? And I was like, no, I didn't do that. But that was really interesting. Just all these connections that I'm getting. Very similar to the Pioneer Farms vibes. I'm wondering if the time period is similar, but the distortions that happen in the Bell House, you know, time distorts or even just Pioneer Farms in general. There's like this bubble, you know, where we've noticed over time, even planes look like they're traveling at a different Rate. And this house has that same feeling. So it wouldn't surprise me if Kate's gonna get something on one plane or dimension and Jeffrey's gonna get something on a completely different because I was seeing conscious entity unaware of each other. A lot of stuff going on.

Stephen Ballew (23:45)

There were a few things worth noting during Meg's initial walkthrough. As she mentioned, her abilities often lean more toward picking up impressions from the land and the structure itself, rather than specific entities. And in this case, some of her insights were incredibly validating. For those who haven't heard our Pioneer Farm series, that investigation took place on a 90 acre living history museum filled with transplanted restored homes and buildings from the 1800s and early 1900s. Meg referenced one particular home from that site, the Bell house, saying this location had a very similar feel. That made sense considering this home was built in 1876. But the most striking moment was when Meg said she felt that this home had been moved. And not only that, but that it had been relocated in one solid piece. That's a significant detail. One of the most well known facts about this house is that it was the first of its size in Austin to be moved entirely intact. There's even a historic photograph which I had covered at the moment, showing the house being transported down Congress avenue in the 1970s. Meg had no way of knowing that, which made her impression all the more compelling. One final detail, Meg mentioned feeling a throbbing in her head before arriving. That immediately reminded me of the experience that Kahlan had had when she and Marisol first connected with the boy spirit upstairs, right here in this very room. Meg hadn't picked up on any specific spirits just yet, but we planned to keep moving and let the mediums guide us to wherever they felt drawn next. But by this point, Fredo had officially closed for the night, all the patrons had cleared out, and it was just owner Harry and our team remaining inside the building. With the space finally quiet, we were ready to begin a full walkthrough, allowing our mediums to explore freely and lead us wherever the energy pulled them. After this short break, we'll dive in. Stay tuned. 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Kate the Brave (29:54)

First of all, what is the. Mikey.

Stephen Ballew (29:56)

Mikey.

Kate the Brave (29:57)

Okay, Mikey just left the room. It was just me in here. And I saw a man sitting right here like this, like. Like his arm on the table, like, facing this way. But nobody was in here. It was just me.

Stephen Ballew (30:11)

Did you get a sense of what he looked like or anything?

Kate the Brave (30:14)

Initially it felt like an older man. Bigger in frame is how it looks. But I'm not sure he feels. I keep hearing older, like an older gentleman, but very present. He's present. It's not residual energy. It's like a very present, present energy. He knew he was looking at me and he knew I could see him here.

Stephen Ballew (30:38)

Did you see any physical features on him at all?

Kate the Brave (30:41)

Not clearly enough to say, okay, I feel like he's white in color. Okay, because his skin looked light in my peripheral. But I didn't get, like a straight on look more here. So like lighter colored skin.

Stephen Ballew (30:57)

Okay. The Let me know if he comes back to you in more details. I'd love to know. This was interesting. Kate had just witnessed the brief image of a man. A white male, bigger in frame, but the impression was fleeting. She didn't have time to gather many details beyond his presence and height, but that detail caught my attention. While there aren't many published records about Walter E. Tips appearance, a family history source does describe him as a dignified 6ft, often dressed in a black suit, swallowtail coat and bow tie. Making quite an impression. Combined with other details emerging from this case, it's certainly interesting to consider. I'm not saying that this was in fact Walter, but it was something to take note of. Tech specialist Franklin had already completed a full sweep of the building using his equipment to check for any unusual readings. No abnormal spikes were found. The upstairs did register strong EMF levels, but this was traced to the utility room which houses the breaker boxes and water hookups. Franklin later confirmed that all the mf, EF and RF readings could be attributed to known sources, including nearby power lines, WI fi and cell signals. Around this time, I began receiving notes from both Jeffrey and Meg. They were independently feeling drawn to the upstairs back hallway. That area had been the source of several reported incidents, including the bathroom door shaking on its own, sightings of children in those windows, and an aggressive encounter where the cook claimed the storage room door had flown open on him. Owner Harry was still finishing up downstairs and hadn't made it upstairs yet. So out of respect, I held off entering the employee only rooms in the back hallway. Instead, I brought Jeffrey into the hallway first, where he began sharing the impressions he was picking up. In that space, I probably would have.

Jeffrey (32:36)

Had at least one living made made of all work, if not a nanny or something. I feel like there were children, or at least a baby now that we're talking about it. Looking at the house, obviously they were probably someone like a very successful merchant kind of guy would have. A business person would have had a house like this.

Stephen Ballew (32:56)

Census records uncovered by my father confirmed that several servants lived in the Tips home during the family's time there. Jeffrey also mentioned sensing that a successful merchant once owned the house. And he was absolutely right. Walter E. Tips was one of Austin's most prominent merchants. In 1872, he moved to Austin after purchasing his late brother Edward's hardware store. He eventually bought out his partners and grew the business into a major local enterprise. The Walter Tips company later expanded into steam powered machinery and operated a Steel foundry that supplied structural steel. Many manhole covers around Austin still bear the Tips name. The company remained in operation from 1857 to 1985, spanning an impressive 127 years. I wasn't sure if Walter was an intelligent spirit present in this home still, but these facts being picked up by the mediums were aligning at this time. Jeffrey informed me that he had drawn out the man and woman he believed he was seeing that were the former owners of the home.

Jeffrey (33:53)

Oh, I drew a little sketch of the man and woman, Just their faces.

Stephen Ballew (33:56)

Oh, you did? Okay, I want to see those. Are they. Are they over there? Okay, let's see them. The drawing depicted busts of a man and woman, both dressed in attire from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. They appeared dignified and elegant. The man had neatly parted hair and a large, well groomed mustache. Having seen photos of Walter Tips, the resemblance was striking, though the figure in the drawing appeared slightly younger than all the images I'd seen of him. As for the woman, it was harder to say. The only photos I found of Johanna, Walter's wife, were taken much later in her life. The woman in Jeffrey's drawing appeared quite young, making a clear identification difficult. By this point, Meg had made her way into that back upstairs hallway. So I made my way to go get her impressions since she had been drawn there earlier. So I'm just wondering if there's anything that you feel over here.

Kate the Brave (34:45)

Yeah, I mean, I saw a gal in the corner.

Stephen Ballew (34:48)

A what?

Meg (34:48)

A young lady. It's funny that she was kind of in the right corner because everything I've been seeing this week was in the. The emphasis was on the left corner. The left corner, the left corner.

Stephen Ballew (34:59)

So I was like, in that right corner right there, was it a woman or a kid?

Meg (35:04)

Nah, in between.

Stephen Ballew (35:06)

Okay. Yeah.

Meg (35:07)

Late teens, early 20s, maybe. I'm not very good at that.

Stephen Ballew (35:10)

Okay.

Meg (35:11)

I don't know. What is this? I. Oh, yeah. Is. There's gotta be something going on, like a. We can't.

Kate the Brave (35:19)

We can't go any further. I was like, there's.

Meg (35:21)

There's energy, like portal energy or something, or these portal trees, perhaps something going on.

Stephen Ballew (35:27)

But you are drawn to go in there. If we. If we. Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely see if we can when he gets here. Meg reported sensing the presence of a younger woman in the right back corner of the upstairs hallway. I couldn't help but note that Kate had also briefly picked up on a younger female presence earlier. Meg was particularly drawn to the storage room door at the End of the hall, the same door that, as I mentioned earlier, had once flung open and startled a young cook working at Freddo atx. Harry was on his way upstairs to give us access to that room. But in the meantime, Meg felt compelled to step into the upstairs bathroom, another location tied to a significant experience. This was the very spot where, on a previous night, the bathroom door had shaken violently, rattling so hard it sent owner Harry fleeing the building. Meg is going to the upstairs bathroom. Right. We're in the bathroom that's down the back hall, upstairs on the left. Just put a marker so, you know. Any other notes for that one there? It was just feeling like something in there.

Meg (36:32)

Yeah, I'll probably get late and stuff, but it's just my kind of initial.

Stephen Ballew (36:36)

Meg said she felt pulled into the bathroom by something, but wasn't able to pick up anything solid. She definitely sensed the presence, but couldn't gather any clear details at the time. With Meg continuing to explore on her own, I decided to check in with Kate, who was in the large room on the left side of the upstairs.

Kate the Brave (36:52)

I went downstairs to see, because I keep seeing, like, a woman walking in front of the windows, which I know we mentioned.

Stephen Ballew (36:59)

Upstairs or downstairs?

Kate the Brave (37:01)

Upstairs.

Stephen Ballew (37:01)

Upstairs. On this side or this side?

Kate the Brave (37:04)

This side.

Stephen Ballew (37:05)

That side. Okay.

Kate the Brave (37:06)

Yeah. But she walks everywhere.

Stephen Ballew (37:07)

Okay.

Kate the Brave (37:08)

But she's, like, feels mainly upstairs. I was trying to see what her walking pattern is, because you can, like, feel her walking around. Anyways, when I was going outside, I saw somebody coming in the door, but nobody was coming in at all.

Stephen Ballew (37:25)

The main door? The main door, yeah. Male? Female.

Kate the Brave (37:28)

Female.

Stephen Ballew (37:28)

Okay.

Kate the Brave (37:29)

Also, somebody does not like the business card table underneath of whatever that picture is.

Stephen Ballew (37:35)

Business card table. Oh, over here. Okay.

Kate the Brave (37:38)

It's definitely a man who's saying that. That he doesn't like the business cards there.

Stephen Ballew (37:43)

Okay.

Kate the Brave (37:43)

He doesn't like the clutter and that it's, like, sticking out from the wall. He would prefer it up. Not that he has authority.

Stephen Ballew (37:51)

But once again, Kate reported sensing two possible female energies, along with the recurring male presence. In this room, there was a small business card table positioned beneath a frame framed historical certificate I had covered up. It was the official landmark designation the house received in the 1970s when it was saved from demolition and declared an Austin historical landmark. Standing there, listening to Kate's impressions, I couldn't help but wonder, again, could this male presence be Walter Tipps himself, still trying to assert some sort of sense of authority over his home? At this point, the mediums had explored both the exterior and interior of the home. So I felt it was time to begin working with them more collaboratively and to see if we could make any meaningful connections. Kate and Meg were both drawn to the back storage room, which we now had full access to. What brought Meg back to this space was particularly striking. She claimed that she saw a figure fall from the roof, visible through the windows in the large room on the left upstairs side of the building. Oddly enough, Kate had mentioned something very similar during her initial impressions earlier in the episode.

Meg (38:53)

So getting out these windows, I walked around to where Tito and Mikey were sitting and looked out the window and there's a covering for the patio. And I literally saw somebody like fall or jump off the edge of it. And it's outside. It would be outside these windows right.

Stephen Ballew (39:12)

Here and it would have been off of like out a window or out of like. I know there's balcony off the edge.

Meg (39:16)

I think of the, there's of the awning or the, the patio cover or the, the part that hangs over there. But then this room is like super masculine. So there's, there's definitely a dude hovering over people's shoulders, breathing in their ears, whispering things, knocking stuff off shelves, poking, shoving, pulling. Pulling in here. Uh huh.

Stephen Ballew (39:38)

Okay.

Meg (39:38)

Or even in the hallway or like down around this. It's this, this is the guy. But then what was interesting is there's a young lady too. Like, she's like a young, young girl. But Kate and I haven't talked. We keep like looking at each other.

Kate the Brave (39:51)

But we know we're not so hard.

Stephen Ballew (39:52)

Yeah, no, it's okay. And then y' all might be getting different wavelengths too. So what are you picking up?

Kate the Brave (39:56)

I picked up on the same somebody falling off the balcony. What I see is like the awning or whatever, and it's a smaller size. It's not like the longer one. It's like a smaller one. She feels female to me. And what I'm seeing is like this little lip or like a little edge. I see it breaking and her like coming off is how it feels. That's what I see.

Stephen Ballew (40:21)

And with the fall for you, you didn't, you didn't say gender on that one, right? Okay. Just all like a shadow, like a shape. Okay, yeah, got it. But in here, you're feeling male kind of messing with things in this room specifically.

Meg (40:35)

But when we were in the hallway, was that young female energy to me.

Kate the Brave (40:40)

I keep getting a male and a female and they definitely interact with each other. And it's like a. I don't know, it's like they're polar opposites. Like this guy, he's grumpy. He messes with people. She's, like, very. She's intuitive. She likes the tarot. She likes the card. She. She's, like, very connected. So they're having this, like, clashing, it feels like. And I keep seeing her. I feel like it's her. It's like this flashing shadow that goes across and then.

Stephen Ballew (41:14)

Age. Is there an age to the girl that y' all are picking up? I don't want y' all to try to match or nothing, but just what are you intuitively getting right off the bat?

Kate the Brave (41:22)

She's younger. I hear 34, but I don't know. But there's also an older, like, who's, like, in her 60s.

Stephen Ballew (41:29)

And then you are saying that one girl you saw was kind of, like, early 20s. Early 20s. So it's kind of not too far off, but that's. And that's up here also.

Meg (41:37)

Yeah.

Jeffrey (41:37)

Okay.

Stephen Ballew (41:38)

While there are no known reports of a death or accident involving a fall from this home in its history, Meg's vision of a figure falling from the roof seen through the windows upstairs, was compelling. Interestingly, Kate had shared something similar earlier in the evening, which made this overlap worth noting, even if I could not validate it in history. As for the energies coming through, it still wasn't clear whether Meg and Kate were picking up on the same younger female presence. But the male energy continued to come through strongly for both of them. Whether or not this presence could be Walter, I couldn't say. But it was notable that both mediums consistently referenced a male and female energy with similar traits. Kate, however, remained confident that there was also an older female spirit present. So for now, I made a point to keep a clear distinction between these three possible a younger female, an older female, and a strong male presence. Leaving the storage room, Kate actually saw the male figure standing at the end of the hall.

Kate the Brave (42:36)

I know because he's just standing there.

Meg (42:38)

It's weird.

Kate the Brave (42:40)

He's taller, too. He looks taller to me.

Meg (42:42)

Like, you see stuff that I don't like. I don't know why I'm staring over.

Kate the Brave (42:46)

There, but yeah, he's like. I don't know, like this much taller than me, and he's just staring in the room. Also, somebody died here.

Stephen Ballew (42:57)

A few interesting details emerged here. Kate once again noted the stature of the male presence, describing him as tall. She also mentioned that someone had died in the home while she was sensing and observing this man. That immediately stood out to me. Walter Tips did, in fact die in this house, which only deepened my curiosity. Could this male figure that Kate was seeing and sensing be Walter himself.

Kate the Brave (43:21)

It just feels like a lot of clashing. That's the word I keep hearing. It's like a, a clashing and then I'm like seeing the energy and they almost look like tectonic plates whenever they like slide underneath of each other. So it's like. I don't want to use the word parallel universe, but I'm going to put it there cuz I don't know what else to say. But it's like it's these two different things and sometimes they come together and they clash and then they'll like go back to part apart. Right now they're in a period where they're clashing and it has to do with the. It has to do with what's happening in the planets is how it feels like to me. And it's bringing both of these things up at one time and they're clashing with each other. It also feels like there's some, some spirits that like, like there's a lot, there's a lot going on here and it's almost like oh, now I'm noticing you. Or no, I'm noticing you over here. And they're trying to like get it settled where everybody belongs to. That's how it feels. And it's like an overcrowdedness and it's very like there's a woman here and a man here and it feels like spokespersony like she comes forward from this part of things and he comes forward from this part of things.

Stephen Ballew (44:34)

And does you get a sense of age, either one of you like presence wise? Does he feel like in his 20s, 30s, or up and up in his 60s, 70s?

Kate the Brave (44:42)

He feels older to me.

Meg (44:43)

You know what's kind of weird though, I think is that it's the house, it's not tied to the land. So often I'm wondering too if that's the dissonance is the land is on one frequency and the house is a different one. And they haven't really kind of come into that coherence yet. And there's history going on on the land that's clashing with the history of the home.

Kate the Brave (45:07)

But the man lived here 100%.

Meg (45:10)

Like I don't think she did.

Kate the Brave (45:11)

I don't think she did either. And I feel like she's stuck. Like she's like longingly looking out the window. Cuz she's like, she's so interested in what we're doing. I feel like we could show her like a pocket out. I think that's what she wants.

Stephen Ballew (45:25)

Okay. There were some interesting theories starting to take shape. One key detail Kate pointed out was that she felt certain the male presence was from this home, that he belonged here. Both she and Meg also agreed that the younger female spirit did not feel like she was connected to the Hells in the same way. That distinction helped me start compartmentalizing things a bit. It's possible that the male spirit could, in fact, be Walter, while the younger female presence may be something entirely separate. I still don't have any solid answers, but at the very least, we were beginning to see consistent pieces of the puzzle now come into view. At this point, Jeffrey asked if he could visit the actual kitchen downstairs. He said he was picking up on a curious, childlike energy, something he had also sensed earlier upstairs. I do want to apologize in advance for the poor audio quality during this next portion. There are quite a few motors and machines running in the background. But. But after we hear from Jeffrey, I'll recap what he shares.

Jeffrey (46:24)

A little kid of the kid upstairs, but it didn't interact. So I'm thinking maybe it was just a residual, because I was like, you know, did you die here? Or something like that? Because I thought maybe that was a tragedy, you know, losing a child or something. But he didn't interact. He was just there in the hallway. So almost, like, frozen. Like just a snapshot home, but upstairs. Yeah. Yeah. But there's something. I feel like somebody's curious about this room.

Stephen Ballew (46:52)

And then with the kid you saw, was there any gender to it at all?

Jeffrey (46:55)

I think it was a little boy.

Stephen Ballew (46:56)

Okay.

Jeffrey (46:57)

Look like it was a little boy. Looked like he was playing with something, you know? And then before I got the sense of not where that landing is in the back, but right there before you hit the stairs, where those bookshelves are upstairs. Of like. Like a kid, you know, like, running around down the hallway in that spot.

Stephen Ballew (47:14)

Okay.

Jeffrey (47:15)

And then it was like he was playing with a train or a little car, you know, a little toy or something.

Stephen Ballew (47:20)

At this point, Kate still hadn't shared any of her impressions with Jeffrey. So it was notable that both mediums were independently picking up on a childlike energy. Kate had sensed both a little boy and a girl, with the girl feeling more present to her, while Jeffrey was only picking up on a little boy. Still, his impression of the boy being upstairs aligned with what we'd previously heard from the haunted ATX tour guides who. Who also reported sensing a young boy presence on the upper floor. Kate was still downstairs and standing in front of the main bar. I walked over to see what she was getting. In this moment, I apologize once again, but in many of the following segments, you're going to hear a loud fan blowing on and off periodically. This was because the wind had picked up severely tonight and was literally blowing the large front door open. Often the loud fan you're hearing is the fan automatically turning on above the door each time it opens. But here's Kate. Anything new coming to you, Kate? We're downstairs in front of the main bar.

Kate the Brave (48:14)

It's so different down here compared to upstairs. And then also I keep seeing like, I'm trying to put it into. It's like a. I drew it upstairs. It's like a crack. Like it's like, here's the house and then there's like this crack in the middle and I see it just like being split open. And then I keep hearing like, house divided. I also keep hearing family, family, family. This feels like women and children. And then like the masculine energy. His energy is what feels like is here. He feels older and I see him like walking up the stairs. I don't think he spends a lot of time. I don't know, I just see him like walking up the stairs. Also the same spot where I felt the pain in my back. I just felt it here in my arm and then into my forearm. And then I said psychically, leave me alone. You can't do that. And then it just went away.

Stephen Ballew (49:15)

Are you tying that to anything in particular? Any of the presences that you felt?

Kate the Brave (49:19)

Every time I feel something like the pains feels masculine, but there's a woman presence here. That, that. It also feels like sad. Not like perpetually sad, but like, I don't know what it is. It feels like she's the one that's like calling us into being here to like, understand what's happening in the house. It's interesting because now that it's quiet, I feel more focused and I feel like the three. I feel like there's three main energies that masculine, like an older feminine and then younger feminine. The younger doesn't feel tied to the people or the space, but the woman and the man do feel tied to it. And I wonder if she at least her, because she's more talkative than the man is. I wonder if she had like kids, kids or something like sons or children. Cuz like, like the children I sensed earlier, I don't think belong to her. I don't think they play like a big role here. But I feel like she had kids and I don't Think they're together now. It's almost like she's looking for them, and it's like a lot of walking around. For her, I think this was, like, her home is how it feels. That guy was standing there. He has a lot of money. I wonder if he was like, I know this is gonna sound like dentist or something. Like, I don't know. He feels like he had a profession, if that makes sense.

Stephen Ballew (50:58)

Kate mentioned sensing that the house had felt divided. And at this time, my father had just begun researching the home's history, but he had already uncovered some details that aligned with this impression. According to the application for the home's historical marker, after the Tips family sold the property, one of the subsequent owners modified the entrance, widening it and dividing the home for use as apartments and offices. Additionally, my father discovered that during the tips time in the home, they had remodeled the basement into an actual apartment for their recently widowed daughter, who moved in with her children. While we can't say for certain, these elements of the home's history may offer some context to what Kate was picking up in this moment, but she had a little more to share.

Kate the Brave (51:40)

Harry's name came through on the way up here. I have it written down up there, but I don't know why I just heard Harry, because I was trying to ask who the man was that I was picking up on, and I heard Harry or Henry. So I don't know if it's like, them acknowledging it feels like it would be them acknowledging that he is the owner. The spirits that are here are very intelligent, and they're very interactive. The three that I'm picking up on down here, it's a lot of, like, some people can hear it audibly. Some people are feeling it, but it's like somebody's like, hey. And then they'll, like, look, thinking like, oh, somebody's trying to get my attention. That's the first thing I'm hearing when you're asking that. And it, to me, sounds like a whisper, but I think it's not always picked up in that way. Also, a lot of, like, seeing apparitions peripherally, because they are intelligent. They're, like, always observing. They want to see what everybody's doing. They're trying to understand, like, what this life is right now. And also, you know, when you feel like somebody's brushing past you, it's that feeling. Lots of noise. Oh, also, I don't know what it is. I don't think it relates to the actual people, but there is, like, this bouncing energy that's trying to interfere with what everybody's picking up on. And that causes, like, terminal issues. If they're having trouble on, like, the POS system and it's like freezing or locking up. That feels intentional and not like a.

Stephen Ballew (53:19)

Fluke that was down here. Is there anything that you picked up upstairs? Like, is there any activity that.

Kate the Brave (53:24)

It's like, completely different upstairs. It's like the same core people, but it, like, I think because this energy has taken over so much of what it is, it's almost like down here was pushed more up to the top. So, like the peoplely aspect or like, footsteps and things like that also shape shadows or seeing people, like, walk. I'm seeing, like, a lot of people in the windows. That feels like very upstairs and not downstairs. Downstairs is like chaos noise over here or something weird's happening over here, and it's happening in such a way that people are brushing it off as, like, coincidence, but it's. It's not.

Stephen Ballew (54:08)

It was interesting to hear Kate note how the energy felt very different upstairs compared to downstairs, something that closely mirrored what I had heard during my initial interviews with the staff and the haunted ATX tour guides. Her mention of footsteps and window sightings upstairs versus voices and whispers downstairs aligned almost exactly with those earlier reports. The last detail she brought up, issues with terminals and equipment, also stood out. Harry had mentioned to me that their point of sale system frequently had malfunctions. I can't say for sure if that's anything paranormal, but it was certainly interesting to note. But moving along, Jeffrey hadn't been feeling well this night and was having a hard time getting through the evening. So he let us know that he was going to have to be heading home soon. But before he left, we wanted to conduct a few Estes method sessions with our mediums. So when we come back from this short break, we'll dive into three separate sessions, each one an opportunity to see if our mediums could connect more directly with the elusive spirits said to haunt this historic home. Stay tuned. Thanks again to one of the newest supporters of the Night Owl podcast. Shout to out Shady Rays. If you're looking for a pair of premium shades that are built to last and won't break the bank, go to shadyrays.com and use code NIGHT OWL for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Night Owl listeners, if you want to be outside, especially in Austin, Texas, you better be prepared to deal with that hot Texas sun. Whether you're jogging, hiking, swimming, biking, or just out running errands, like going to the grocery store, your eyes need protection from that relentless ball of fire in the sky. No matter where you live, those summertime rays need to be combated with sunscreen, appropriate clothing and head covering. Sunglasses are also an essential part of sun protection. And I promise you I don't leave the house without my shades. I have several pair of sunglasses, but my most recent acquisition is a pair of Shady Rays polarized navigator sunglasses and they have not disappointed. The look, the fit and the durability of these sunglasses are exactly what I look for In a pair of shades. With a wide selection of styles and colors, you are guaranteed to find the perfect pair for you. And shopping with Shady Rays is truly risk free. If you don't love them, you can exchange or return them for free within 30 days. Shady Rays is a proudly independent sunglass company that offers top tier quality that rivals even the most expensive brands. Their durable frames and crystal clear optics are perfect for any outdoor activity. Exclusively for my listeners, Shady Rays is giving out their best deal for the season. Head to shadyrays.com and use code NIGHT OWL for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself the shades rated five stars by over 300,000 people. Our time was running out for this late night investigation, so we knew we wanted to push beyond the realm of these mediums gifts and utilize some pseudo scientific methods to see what else might come through. For our sessions we like to use a hybrid of the Estes method and the Ganzfeld technique. The subject wears red light goggles and listens to a live spirit box feed through noise canceling headphones. This setup combines sensory deprivation with real time audio scanning, allowing the subject to speak aloud any words or phrases they hear without being influenced by the questions being asked. The goal is to create a focused, unbiased channel for potential spirit communication. Since Jeffrey was going to be leaving soon, we decided to start the first session with him. Each medium was allowed to choose their own location for the experiment and we made sure to keep the others out of earshot so they couldn't hear the questions I was asking. Jeffrey actually chose to set up at the bottom of the staircase. So we got him in place and began. Okay, we're on the stairwell and I know it. I want to know who you are. Are you a man behind? Alexis is behind you.

Jeffrey (57:55)

Let's do it.

Stephen Ballew (57:57)

We're going to communicate with you. Remember, we're opening up communication with any of the spirits depressed reside in this house. You can communicate through Jeffrey. Laughter, you can share memories with him. You can tell him things.

Jeffrey (58:11)

That's for sure. Are you listening?

Stephen Ballew (58:14)

Yeah, we're listening. We can hear you. Can you hear us?

Jeffrey (58:18)

Don't. It's a woman going. Ah. Shut up.

Stephen Ballew (58:22)

Don't. Who's this talking to us now?

Jeffrey (58:25)

I'm. I'm trying. Help.

Stephen Ballew (58:28)

How can we help you?

Jeffrey (58:30)

Come at me. Legacy.

Stephen Ballew (58:34)

What's your name? Is that something you can give us?

Jeffrey (58:38)

Spirit?

Stephen Ballew (58:39)

Do you know you're a spirit?

Jeffrey (58:41)

Spirits.

Stephen Ballew (58:42)

Spirits. Okay. There's more than one.

Jeffrey (58:45)

Go on.

Stephen Ballew (58:46)

How many? Can you tell us how many. Many are in this house? Total number.

Jeffrey (58:50)

Heard that.

Stephen Ballew (58:51)

How many spirits are there? This is Jeffrey. Who's got the goggles on? And the. And the things?

Jeffrey (58:55)

Watches.

Stephen Ballew (58:57)

Is there someone that likes to watch?

Jeffrey (58:59)

Trickster.

Stephen Ballew (59:00)

Why are you here?

Jeffrey (59:01)

I said that.

Stephen Ballew (59:03)

Legacy. Or watch. Like watching.

Jeffrey (59:07)

In check.

Stephen Ballew (59:08)

Check. Keeping things.

Jeffrey (59:10)

House.

Stephen Ballew (59:11)

House. Okay. House. And check. Keep the house in check. This house was moved. Did you live here when the house was at a different location?

Jeffrey (59:19)

Move.

Stephen Ballew (59:20)

Yeah. Do you recognize it?

Jeffrey (59:22)

Hi.

Stephen Ballew (59:23)

Hello. I'm Steven. That's Alexis. And the person you're talking through is Jeffrey. Can you say any of our names? Correct. Let us know your name so we can say hi. Okay. We're going to wrap up this session to self, but we wanted to give.

Jeffrey (59:39)

You a chance sideways.

Stephen Ballew (59:40)

We'll give you about 20 more seconds. Do you have a message for those that are in this house?

Jeffrey (59:46)

Talk about it.

Stephen Ballew (59:47)

Talk about the house. We will. Okay. Yeah. It was really all over the place, but we're getting a few. Few interesting tidbits.

Jeffrey (59:58)

It was the same three or four voices.

Stephen Ballew (60:00)

What were they? Did you.

Jeffrey (60:01)

There was a woman's voice and there was a deep man's voice like that. And then it was like. More just like a normal man's voice. So there were at least three voices. Two male and one female.

Stephen Ballew (60:13)

Okay.

Jeffrey (60:14)

Yeah. I didn't hear a boy like you.

Stephen Ballew (60:16)

Were seeing up here.

Jeffrey (60:16)

I didn't hear a boy.

Stephen Ballew (60:17)

Okay. The.

Jeffrey (60:19)

Yeah. And the. The deep one. It wasn't so much that it sounded old or anything. It was just very deep. Very deep voice.

Stephen Ballew (60:26)

But what were some of them saying? Like just to trick the words to. Which ones? What were some of the words that were deep versus like. Because we heard like. I can't remember. House and move and things like that.

Jeffrey (60:37)

The move was the deep voice. The house, I think, was the man. Just the regular man's voice.

Stephen Ballew (60:43)

Okay.

Jeffrey (60:44)

But it was weird because she was just talking like this, like almost clear, like right next to you. But the other ones were more echoey, you know, like interesting.

Stephen Ballew (60:53)

Okay.

Jeffrey (60:53)

She. She would come through clearer.

Stephen Ballew (60:55)

Okay.

Jeffrey (60:56)

I could. I could tell it was the same voice. It was clear enough. I could tell it was the same voice.

Stephen Ballew (61:01)

Okay, good. Next up was Meg, and she was pulled to do her session in the upstairs back storage room. We got her set up and began. Okay, Meg's going under in the back storage closet upstairs, and we're beginning the session now.

Meg (61:18)

Okay, I'm hearing competing male voices. Wally. Walter. Wallet. Wal. Wal. Walter. There he is right there. Right there. I told you.

Stephen Ballew (61:36)

Okay. Also, Walter, if you're here, we would like to communicate with you. This is. My name is Stephen.

Meg (61:43)

You're not supposed to be here.

Stephen Ballew (61:46)

Well, we were invited here.

Meg (61:48)

It makes sense.

Stephen Ballew (61:50)

We were invited here. This is my friend Alexis. We're not here to cause any harm or kick.

Meg (61:56)

It is sometimes.

Stephen Ballew (61:58)

We're here to just communicate and get.

Meg (61:59)

Any messages, don't you think?

Stephen Ballew (62:01)

Messages that you might need to get across.

Meg (62:04)

There's two male voices and a female. They're all going at the same time.

Stephen Ballew (62:08)

Okay, so we heard that with Jeffrey. What are the two. Two males. Who are you? What are your names?

Meg (62:14)

Are you ready? She's trapped.

Kate the Brave (62:17)

She.

Meg (62:17)

They. They're not letting her.

Stephen Ballew (62:20)

So they've got two males and a female. The female was.

Kate the Brave (62:23)

You can't.

Stephen Ballew (62:24)

The female was clear.

Kate the Brave (62:25)

She.

Meg (62:26)

She's reaching. You think you can, and then it's coming the first time.

Stephen Ballew (62:32)

Okay, so try to. Try to hone in on the spirit. Walter, was the. You got the name?

Meg (62:36)

Three.

Kate the Brave (62:37)

Two, three.

Meg (62:39)

Here. Back to the.

Stephen Ballew (62:42)

What's the other name of the mail.

Meg (62:44)

It's right.

Stephen Ballew (62:44)

Who's the other male? Walter, if you can talk to us. We really wanted to get your message across.

Meg (62:50)

Finish. Yeah, finish now.

Stephen Ballew (62:53)

Finish what you wanted to talk about.

Meg (62:57)

Set. Set. They all said it. Set.

Stephen Ballew (63:00)

I heard three. Did you hear that? Three voices and one female, two male.

Meg (63:03)

Megan. Megan. That's my name. Yes.

Stephen Ballew (63:06)

Meg. Megan. Okay.

Meg (63:08)

Yes.

Stephen Ballew (63:09)

So this is Megan. Meg.

Meg (63:11)

Stephen.

Stephen Ballew (63:12)

Stephen. That's Stephen. I'm Alexis. What did you need to tell.

Meg (63:15)

She's really trying. She's really trying.

Stephen Ballew (63:19)

Were you the one coming through to Jeffrey? Female.

Meg (63:21)

There was her first. I know.

Stephen Ballew (63:25)

Yeah. We had the female. So who's the male? The other male. There's two Mills, right?

Meg (63:34)

One of the first and the worst.

Stephen Ballew (63:39)

Walter, what is it that you want to tell us?

Meg (63:41)

War. Amazing. Oh, then I hear classical music for a minute.

Stephen Ballew (63:47)

Walter, can you. Can you bring back.

Meg (63:50)

Can you talk about what she's like? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.

Stephen Ballew (63:54)

Female, what's your name? Get it through. How old are you? How old are you?

Meg (64:01)

And then the War again. Here, there again.

Kate the Brave (64:05)

Oh, used you.

Stephen Ballew (64:07)

He fought in the Civil War.

Meg (64:10)

The last one.

Stephen Ballew (64:11)

Were you. Were you in the Civil War? Is that what you're talking about with war? Walter? Did you fight in the Civil War?

Meg (64:19)

Again? And then again. You can hear yourself and stop. It's almost. She knows.

Stephen Ballew (64:29)

Again, we need to talk to one person at a time. One at a time. It's too hard to understand. All of you. Can one person so spirit take take turns? Because we won't get any of your messages across of you all.

Meg (64:41)

She knows.

Stephen Ballew (64:42)

So true. If she knows, can you bring her forward so we can speak with her? Yes. Let us speak to the female.

Kate the Brave (64:49)

I'm here.

Stephen Ballew (64:49)

Okay. Okay. What message do you have? What message do you have? Do you have a name you can give us? This is Meg. I'm Stephen. It's Alexis.

Meg (65:00)

Rachel.

Stephen Ballew (65:01)

Rachel. Rachel. Okay. Okay.

Meg (65:03)

And then.

Stephen Ballew (65:04)

No, let Rachel speak for just a little bit. We're going to give you time also. If you don't let her speak, we're not going to give you the session. We're going to give everyone time. Rachel, this is your time.

Meg (65:15)

In another, there was Mary.

Stephen Ballew (65:20)

Mary.

Meg (65:22)

I keep hearing the word baby. She's saying baby. There's still another. That was clear as day. Another. Another sleep.

Stephen Ballew (65:33)

Was there a baby that passed in this house?

Meg (65:35)

Trying to reach for the. Yes, there is.

Stephen Ballew (65:39)

How many babies pass in this house?

Meg (65:40)

Still?

Stephen Ballew (65:41)

Still. There was one stillborn and then one that died a few months later.

Meg (65:47)

The intermission.

Stephen Ballew (65:48)

A few days later.

Meg (65:51)

I think I could keep going, but I have to take a break for a second.

Stephen Ballew (65:54)

Okay, go for it. Tell me if you. Were you noticing the same voice?

Meg (65:59)

No, I think I was pointing where they were coming from. Did you see me?

Stephen Ballew (66:02)

No. Yeah, but were there a consistency, like you heard?

Meg (66:05)

There's three.

Stephen Ballew (66:06)

Okay, can you tell me.

Meg (66:07)

Two guys and a lady.

Stephen Ballew (66:09)

Okay. And what did the two men sound like? Were they the same? Were they different?

Meg (66:14)

They sound very different. I can't tell. I think they can hear one another. I think they can all hear one another. And she's really stifled.

Kate the Brave (66:26)

Shocker.

Meg (66:27)

But it's really hard to decipher one when there's that much going on all at once. That was. It was really clear and there was just so much going on that's kind of hard to pull which. Which ones were the strongest. But I think there was some phrasing that I may have said that wasn't like, more than just a word here and a word.

Jeffrey (66:42)

I was like, whoa.

Stephen Ballew (66:43)

And some of it was relevant. And then you've Got a name that was relevant for here? Big time.

Meg (66:48)

Oh, I said a name.

Stephen Ballew (66:49)

Yep.

Meg (66:49)

You said a lot of names or something.

Stephen Ballew (66:51)

Walter, do you remember we said the two voices? How could you differentiate them?

Kate the Brave (66:56)

Like, I have no idea.

Stephen Ballew (66:58)

Okay, so you can tell to me.

Meg (66:59)

It felt because, you know, a lot of my, like, seeing is in my mind's eye. So when spatially in my brain, they were in two different places.

Stephen Ballew (67:09)

The girl, did she feel like anything? Like. Like, did you get anything from her? Like, voice wise? Was it younger, older?

Meg (67:17)

I would say middle aged. Like, it wasn't like a child's voice. It wasn't like. Like an innocent naivete or anything. There was definitely a sophistication. And, you know, some women of a certain time period are overly soft or agreeable. She's got a little bit more of a firmer tone.

Kate the Brave (67:35)

She.

Meg (67:35)

She knows her reality, let's put it that way. Like, she's not gonna be told, oh, that's not what. You didn't see that. You didn't hear that. Yeah, she's kind of one of those, like.

Stephen Ballew (67:43)

Okay, I am curious of. Of the things that you'd been feeling in the space, did you attribute that. Those voices to any of the presences you felt yet, or are they different?

Meg (67:52)

I think in this room, I think. Is this a Walter room? I don't know, but this feels like that's where it started.

Stephen Ballew (67:59)

Okay.

Meg (67:59)

He was the strongest. He came through first. I normally don't get names, so that's very strange.

Stephen Ballew (68:05)

Yeah, Mary, too. Yeah, there was a Mary at the very end. Yeah. For this session, it's pretty obvious that the biggest shocking hit was the name Walter. All the mediums were with our team members the whole time. They had no previous knowledge of where they were going today either. For the very first thing to come up through Meg's session, to be a male voice giving the name Walter was wild to me. A couple of other interesting connections to this home's most notable owner, Walter Tips, is that Walter did in fact, serve with the 6th Field Battery, Texas Light Artillery, and returned home at the end of the street Civil War in 1865 as a second lieutenant. So when Meg began mentioning war, this came to mind. She also brought up music and classical music during a time the male named Walter was coming through. Walter actually was well known for his musical talents and taste. He played the cello and made sure all of his children learned to play a musical instrument as well. And at one point in time, Mr. Tips was even a conductor. Two other things to note. I had no ties to the name Rachel. But Mary came through, and that is one of the middle names of Walter's wife. But I had not done enough research yet to determine whether or not she went by her true first name of Johanna. Or perhaps she may have used one of her middle names, like Mary. I would have to try to determine this when I debriefed soon with my father over his research. Lastly, there was an interesting similarity with both Jeffrey and Meg's essay sessions in that they both claimed to hear three different voices. And they both claimed they heard two men and one woman. All great things to note and take further into my research on this case as it progressed. Last up, before the night was over, we wanted to have Kate go under a session. She wanted to do it on the landing, just to the left of the top of the stairwell, near a window on the second floor. At this point, Jeffrey had already left. And since Meg and Kate were the only two remaining, I decided to let Mech stay for this final estate session and document what was happening by taking photographs. Before going under, though, Kate wanted to relay something that she had gotten while she was sitting up up here on her own.

Kate the Brave (70:06)

I was sitting here talking to the woman of the house that I keep seeing. Part other problem is she's, like, lost. That's how it feels. She doesn't know where she's at. This is not what she remembers or how she remembers.

Stephen Ballew (70:20)

Now it was Kate's turn to go under. As a reminder, she hadn't heard any of the previous Estes sessions. And she and Meg had not had a chance to connect or discuss anything following Meg's session. So here's Kate's session. We had a few voices coming through last time. Both times. Can you give us your name as Robert.

Kate the Brave (70:40)

Oh, it's Walter. Me.

Stephen Ballew (70:45)

Okay. That's who we're trying to communicate with. Walter, can you come back to us? Tell us more about yourself. Is this your house?

Kate the Brave (70:56)

Go to bed.

Stephen Ballew (70:58)

Where did you go to bed?

Kate the Brave (70:59)

I have a message.

Stephen Ballew (71:01)

Okay.

Kate the Brave (71:02)

There's someone facing you.

Stephen Ballew (71:06)

Where?

Kate the Brave (71:08)

Slow down. I'm here. You're crazy. Who is that behind you?

Stephen Ballew (71:19)

Behind who?

Kate the Brave (71:21)

I can see. See you breathing. There's one to the left.

Stephen Ballew (71:28)

I'm Steven.

Kate the Brave (71:30)

It's me.

Stephen Ballew (71:31)

Okay. Who is you? Walter?

Kate the Brave (71:34)

Can't you hear me?

Stephen Ballew (71:35)

Yes, we can hear you. Can you speak up?

Kate the Brave (71:38)

Say it again.

Stephen Ballew (71:39)

Are you Walter?

Kate the Brave (71:41)

No. The camera. Those are cool.

Stephen Ballew (71:45)

These aren't cameras.

Kate the Brave (71:46)

One thing at a time. Time. Looking.

Stephen Ballew (71:49)

We're looking for.

Kate the Brave (71:50)

It's creepy. It's behind you. It's the man.

Stephen Ballew (71:56)

So that Was what doom Note that Mikey had said that under his breath.

Kate the Brave (72:01)

I know what you are. He's in there. There's more in there.

Stephen Ballew (72:06)

More in there.

Kate the Brave (72:07)

And over there.

Stephen Ballew (72:08)

She's pointing to the room. The big room in the upstairs.

Kate the Brave (72:12)

Sorry. Sections.

Stephen Ballew (72:14)

Yeah. It's broken up time. Were you familiar with this house? Do you know this house?

Kate the Brave (72:20)

I see you. Do you believe me?

Stephen Ballew (72:23)

You see us? Okay, yeah, we believe you. We just can't see you. Can you let us know you're here?

Kate the Brave (72:27)

Are you asking Marie? Mary earlier to get some stuff done? Stop. No. Please.

Stephen Ballew (72:40)

What do you need? Who is this?

Kate the Brave (72:42)

I'm here. Get up. It's two men.

Stephen Ballew (72:47)

Two men. Okay.

Kate the Brave (72:49)

I heard a woman sighing. The same. A man said the same.

Stephen Ballew (72:53)

Okay. Okay. We've got two men. One Walter Street.

Kate the Brave (72:57)

You're on the right track.

Stephen Ballew (72:59)

Okay, Walter. And who's the second man?

Kate the Brave (73:02)

Oh, no.

Stephen Ballew (73:03)

A female. Can the female talk to you? Kate?

Kate the Brave (73:06)

You Fred. Are you a friend?

Stephen Ballew (73:09)

Yes. Yes. We're not here to do anything.

Kate the Brave (73:11)

Train in front of you.

Stephen Ballew (73:14)

You're in front of me. Can you. Can you say our names back to us? That would help us know that you actually can hear us. I'm Steven. That's Alexis. That's Mikey. And that's Meg. And this is Kate. Who's got the head goggles on?

Kate the Brave (73:28)

Yeah.

Stephen Ballew (73:30)

Yeah. Can you say any of our names to confirm that you can hear us?

Kate the Brave (73:33)

It's me. Easy.

Stephen Ballew (73:35)

Yeah. Can you say the name?

Kate the Brave (73:38)

Marie. Focus. I keep hearing a woman, like, Sighing like a. Like a. Whimpering.

Stephen Ballew (73:48)

What's Mary's full name? Is the woman trying to.

Kate the Brave (73:52)

What are you asking?

Stephen Ballew (73:53)

What is the rest of Mary? His name?

Kate the Brave (73:55)

Walter.

Stephen Ballew (73:57)

Walter. Walter.

Kate the Brave (73:59)

So, Walter, do you like that?

Stephen Ballew (74:02)

Okay, Walter, we do like to hear from you.

Kate the Brave (74:04)

I did.

Stephen Ballew (74:06)

Yeah. Yes, Walter, what is Mary's name? What's the.

Kate the Brave (74:10)

Beth. There's that woman whimpering.

Jeffrey (74:13)

Yeah.

Stephen Ballew (74:13)

Who's the woman whimpering? Any of the male energies back up? Yeah. Male energy. Can you.

Kate the Brave (74:21)

No, you can't come through. Certainly. I. Tricked.

Stephen Ballew (74:25)

Tricked. Remember?

Kate the Brave (74:26)

That's Walter. It is intrusive. You are.

Stephen Ballew (74:31)

What's intrusive? What is. Walter.

Kate the Brave (74:33)

Walter. The kids.

Stephen Ballew (74:35)

The kids. What kids?

Kate the Brave (74:38)

Sing Sing.

Stephen Ballew (74:40)

Walter, where do you spend time at in this house?

Kate the Brave (74:44)

I am.

Stephen Ballew (74:45)

Yes, you are. Walter. Where.

Kate the Brave (74:47)

Who's there?

Stephen Ballew (74:48)

I'm Steven. I'm a friend. Alexis, Mikey and Meg.

Kate the Brave (74:55)

I'm not from here.

Stephen Ballew (74:57)

Yeah, the house was moved. Is there anybody else other than Walter that wants to come through and deliver a message? We're trying to get to the bottom.

Kate the Brave (75:06)

Two people started talking at the same time.

Stephen Ballew (75:09)

We Keep getting that. There's two.

Kate the Brave (75:11)

They showed me.

Stephen Ballew (75:12)

There's two males. What's the other male's name? Can you. Can you help us figure that out? If you're concerned.

Kate the Brave (75:20)

Ed to death. And I told them. They're not listening, love. I'm trying.

Stephen Ballew (75:31)

Is Ed short for Edward?

Kate the Brave (75:33)

Hold on. Did you hear that? Intrusive. I was talking.

Stephen Ballew (75:40)

You were talking? So what were you saying about.

Kate the Brave (75:42)

I have the right to.

Stephen Ballew (75:44)

Yes. Is this a female kicked out? Is this a female or a male speaking right now?

Kate the Brave (75:49)

It's dead.

Stephen Ballew (75:51)

What's dead?

Kate the Brave (75:52)

To the ground there.

Stephen Ballew (75:54)

What happened? What's dead?

Kate the Brave (75:55)

They're all talking. Look at me.

Stephen Ballew (75:58)

Where are you?

Kate the Brave (75:59)

Can you feel this? I'm pulling your hair. It's getting closer. Watch her. Stop. Hear me?

Stephen Ballew (76:06)

Make a noise. Move something. Show yourself to us.

Kate the Brave (76:11)

It's in your field of vision. I'm looking, but it could be closer. Walter, Things are happening.

Stephen Ballew (76:18)

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Shoot it.

Kate the Brave (76:20)

Yes.

Stephen Ballew (76:21)

We want to. We want to see you pull my hair. Show us something. Make something move. Knock. Can you knock on the wall right now?

Kate the Brave (76:28)

Hi, there, now. It's me.

Stephen Ballew (76:31)

What's you. Who are you?

Kate the Brave (76:33)

Walter. My son.

Stephen Ballew (76:35)

Walter.

Kate the Brave (76:36)

Hey. By the stairs. There's someone walking up the stairs.

Stephen Ballew (76:41)

Come on up.

Kate the Brave (76:43)

They're walking to the back room. And you know that. He died.

Stephen Ballew (76:48)

Who died? Which one?

Kate the Brave (76:49)

It's Lonely. Junior.

Stephen Ballew (76:52)

Junior? What happened to Junior? I'm curious because we haven't been able to find a death for the child.

Kate the Brave (76:58)

It's a story.

Stephen Ballew (77:00)

What is it? Tell us.

Kate the Brave (77:01)

Yes.

Stephen Ballew (77:03)

How did he die? How did he die? Was it an accident? How old was he? What happened?

Kate the Brave (77:09)

No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This isn't right. This doesn't belong here.

Stephen Ballew (77:15)

What doesn't belong here? I got his. All the notes on who died, the kids. Here's a Walter Jr. Yeah, you do.

Kate the Brave (77:23)

It's clear. A group. Good.

Stephen Ballew (77:26)

There's a Mary Elizabeth too. Yeah. Okay. Can you come back to us and talk to us about what you want, what you need, or you have any questions for us? Are you lost? Second, Are you lonely? You said you were lonely.

Kate the Brave (77:40)

Family accomplished. Walter.

Stephen Ballew (77:44)

Walter's only over the place. I just don't know what is. Walter, what do you need? Do you need anything?

Kate the Brave (77:48)

This is true.

Stephen Ballew (77:49)

Yeah. So. Walter, you are everywhere, but.

Kate the Brave (77:53)

Hey. Hey. I'm back here. Can you hear me?

Stephen Ballew (77:56)

Yes. Yeah, we can hear you through this, but can you make a noise in the building for us?

Kate the Brave (78:00)

In the upstairs, there's a woman saying her name. And then a man just said, problem family.

Stephen Ballew (78:08)

Should we take her Out. It's been a long time.

Kate the Brave (78:10)

Have a feeling we're going to.

Stephen Ballew (78:12)

We're going to pull Kate back out of this.

Kate the Brave (78:14)

I grew up.

Stephen Ballew (78:15)

But we want to give you space to. To tell us anything you need us to know.

Kate the Brave (78:18)

I'm 14.

Stephen Ballew (78:19)

What's your name?

Kate the Brave (78:20)

Somebody was just touching my hair.

Stephen Ballew (78:23)

Who is this? Is this somebody new?

Kate the Brave (78:26)

We're in the room upstairs.

Stephen Ballew (78:29)

We are upstairs.

Kate the Brave (78:30)

To the left.

Stephen Ballew (78:31)

To the left is where we are upstairs?

Kate the Brave (78:33)

Yes. Listen, listening.

Stephen Ballew (78:36)

What do you hear? I'm not hearing it on here. Huh? In. In there.

Kate the Brave (78:41)

I was anxious. Everything.

Stephen Ballew (78:45)

You hearing thumping here.

Kate the Brave (78:47)

Where at I can.

Stephen Ballew (78:49)

I came into the left room with Meg cuz she's hearing thumping. Make that noise again.

Kate the Brave (78:55)

Look at these losers. His hat.

Stephen Ballew (79:01)

Yeah, yeah, I'm wearing a hat. Why am I always picked on?

Kate the Brave (79:05)

It's unfortunate.

Stephen Ballew (79:06)

Yeah. Oh my God.

Kate the Brave (79:10)

Yeah, it's moved the sound, huh?

Stephen Ballew (79:14)

Okay. Where is the sound at going? I'm moving.

Kate the Brave (79:17)

Not you. Manners.

Stephen Ballew (79:20)

Not getting anything. Okay, I'm going to pull her out so she's not just fight me. Exhausted. You have 10 more seconds. Anybody wants to come through, tell us your name.

Kate the Brave (79:30)

Steven.

Stephen Ballew (79:32)

That's me.

Kate the Brave (79:32)

Hello, Stephen?

Stephen Ballew (79:34)

Yes, I'm here. We have five seconds left. Five, four.

Kate the Brave (79:39)

You need to write that down.

Stephen Ballew (79:40)

Three.

Kate the Brave (79:41)

It's like a concert.

Stephen Ballew (79:43)

One. Okay. What was coming through, like, specifically?

Kate the Brave (79:49)

Was there like there was one man, very strong in particular, very conscious. He also is like. He's like slowed down. I think it takes him longer to like, talk. I don't think he's like pointing at you and saying, slow down.

Stephen Ballew (80:04)

Yes.

Kate the Brave (80:05)

Like that's how it feels. And then also I kept hearing this woman whimpering, like a whimpering woman. And it was interesting because his voice was coming through audibly and her voice was coming through psychically and from a different place. Like, he felt here and she felt like here. Like, if that makes sense.

Stephen Ballew (80:29)

Interesting. Make it something similar. Yeah. Anything else? Was there another. Any other, like, prominent voice?

Kate the Brave (80:36)

I don't know. It's like a lot of back and forth. Like he definitely. It's. It's funny because at Sunset Strip when I did this, the guy who's in the office, his voice was like louder than everybody else on the speaker. Yeah, this guy was like louder than everybody else on the speaker. So I thought that was interesting. I keep hearing not from him, but like from spirit really is like, be patient and slow down. When looking for answers from this man in particular. Don't run rush into what's being said or told because it's a lot of folklore, is What I'm hearing, but I don't know. That's what, as I'm saying that that's what I'm hearing.

Stephen Ballew (81:20)

Okay.

Kate the Brave (81:21)

Also on the Estes, I would say those are my main things. It was like him talking very physically and then a lot of like, other plain stuff.

Stephen Ballew (81:30)

Yeah. And then the girl that was kind of whimpering.

Kate the Brave (81:33)

Yeah, she was whimpering.

Stephen Ballew (81:35)

Okay.

Kate the Brave (81:35)

But he was for sure trying to talk back. Like he was conversational.

Stephen Ballew (81:39)

That's the one I was interested in because the name that I, that one of the names is specific for this place.

Kate the Brave (81:45)

He kept repeating it over and. Walter. Walter. Over and like, sometimes it'd be like whispering and sometimes it'd be like, louder.

Stephen Ballew (81:53)

So he's here.

Kate the Brave (81:54)

Yes.

Stephen Ballew (81:54)

Okay. Because that's one thing that was on my mind. And it's been back and forth. The drawing that Jeffrey drew looked like, like him.

Kate the Brave (82:01)

Was he older when he passed? Can I ask that now? And did he have like, Parkinson's or like some sort of, like, shaky something.

Stephen Ballew (82:08)

With his hands that, I don't know, older? Yes, for sure. I think he was in his upper 70s or 70s.

Kate the Brave (82:15)

He's like, no offense, Walter, but like wrinkly kind of.

Stephen Ballew (82:18)

Okay, now Meg got Walter as well, the name, which is crazy.

Kate the Brave (82:22)

Somebody was sick here. I don't know who it was, but somebody was sick here. And their room was upstairs.

Stephen Ballew (82:28)

Upstairs. Okay.

Meg (82:30)

There's a politician involved. There's a senator, somebody. Yeah.

Stephen Ballew (82:33)

So I, I, I won't reveal it yet, but there's more, there's more to it. But he's got a rags to riches story, this guy, so he's really, really cool.

Kate the Brave (82:41)

Story, his money.

Stephen Ballew (82:42)

He also fought in the Civil War, and you were getting war in there a lot too, which is really crazy.

Meg (82:48)

Oh, I did.

Stephen Ballew (82:48)

Yeah. You said, you kept saying, I just.

Kate the Brave (82:51)

He hear him and I like, know he's an old man, if that makes sense.

Stephen Ballew (82:56)

Did you ever get a good look at his face?

Meg (82:58)

I was only hearing.

Stephen Ballew (82:59)

Yeah.

Kate the Brave (82:59)

Today.

Stephen Ballew (83:00)

Shoot. Okay.

Kate the Brave (83:01)

He likes to talk. He's very sound based. Well, that which makes sense if he liked music. Everybody has different senses. Clairaudience is like clear hearing. People who are drawn to music and play music, they tend to be more clear hearing. So if, if you receive information like that, chances are you're giving information like that. So he will give more audible sounds.

Stephen Ballew (83:29)

Following all three Estes sessions, it was impressive to see that without any prior knowledge of where they were being brought, so many specific details came through, including the name Walter, which was picked up by not one, but two of Our mediums. Although Jeffrey didn't mention the name Walter during his shorter time with us, he was actually the first to describe and sketch an image of a man, one that strongly resembled a younger Walter Tips, especially his signature pronounced mustache he was known for. Then came all the surrounding details. References to ownership, family, music, war concerts, elements that all loosely tie back to Walter and his family. One moment that stood out to me came during Kate's Estes session. It appeared we might have been speaking directly with Walter as the responses included words like family, kids, sad, followed by the names Walter and then Junior. In 1885, tragedy actually struck the Tips home when Walter lost both his mother, Anna, and his son Walter Jr. I'll be looking into this more closely to confirm Walter Jr. S age at the time of his passing, but I believe he was in his teens. And I'm curious whether he was living in this home when he passed away. Another detail that caught my attention was the name Kate sounded out as Marie, though later she said it could have been Mary. And this stood out to me because there are two people in the Tips family. This could potentially reference Walter's wife, Johanna, Mary Jane Pierce, or one of their daughters, Mary Elizabeth. In fact, Beth was another name that surfaced during Kate's estesion, which adds to that potential connection. There was also a male named Ed that came through, but I wasn't yet sure who that might refer to. It's something I planned to dig into further during the research phase that would follow this initial investigation. By this point, it was nearly 1am and we needed to wrap up so Harry could lock up and head home. But before turning off the mic, I wanted to get a final summary from Kate and then a quick reflection and share. Here's Kate's summary of all that she experienced.

Kate the Brave (85:29)

The first thing I picked up on was, like, a woman and I keep seeing her in the windows. She looks older and feels stuck, like she doesn't know how to move out of the home and also like, lost, like she doesn't know where she's at. It feels like. Or she's like, looking for specific things. She's looking for a dirt road, she's looking for horses, like she's looking for things like that. I also felt an older man and I keep seeing him in my peripheral. I feel like you guys experience him, but it's audible sounds like noises from him. I hear like a clearing of the throat and I see him frequently, like walking towards the back there, down the hallway. So I don't know if that was like his room. Or where he stayed, but. But, like, I see him going there and then down the steps and then like, around here. So to me, he will walk upstairs and downstairs, but he doesn't like to go downstairs very often. The downstairs energy feels very separate from the upstairs energy. Downstairs feels newer and more populated. That makes sense. And just like, in and out energy is not main character energies. Upstairs is like the main entities. It feels like. And they feel very aware of the people in the space and intelligent when it comes to, like, communicating and things like that. The woman is very observant and, like, leans over, over shoulders, looks over shoulders. She wants to see what everybody's doing. And yeah, that's what I would say I picked up on.

Stephen Ballew (87:22)

And I'll let Meg transition too. But you were picking up on a younger, ish female too, right?

Kate the Brave (87:27)

Yeah, it felt like three people, like the man, an older woman, and like a younger woman. But this younger woman doesn't feel chained or, like, tied to the house. She feels. Feels popped in, if that makes sense.

Stephen Ballew (87:43)

And the other two did feel connected to the home.

Kate the Brave (87:45)

Yeah, they feel connected to, like, what's happening here is how it feels. The younger one, too, has, like, long hair. It looks like brushed out, smooth skin. It looks like. Yes.

Stephen Ballew (87:59)

And I can't remember, I know that some of y' all brought up children. Did you bring up any children?

Kate the Brave (88:04)

Yes, a lot. Little boy, specifically. I'm seeing and also seeing, like, the younger girl, but I think that I'm talking about the same one. When I say that she just comes across as, like, childlike sometimes because it's like a lot of wander. She wants to check things out. She wants to look at the cards. The little boy and the girl, they like to play in here. And, like, we'll go back and forth. If they, like, run around. I don't know, they just feel, I don't know, like, not connected to the man or the woman. I don't think.

Stephen Ballew (88:41)

I want to note here that I'm still uncertain about several of the readings we received. The more consistent impressions of the older man and woman felt like areas worth pursuing further in our next investigation. But the younger woman and how she might have been confused with the young girl left me feeling unclear. We weren't able to determine if this was one spirit being perceived in different ways or if they were two entirely separate presences. As of now, there just wasn't enough clarity around that energy. Then there was another presence that surfaced only occasionally throughout the night. A younger man sensed downstairs. It didn't come through as strongly or as consistently. But I was curious about it. So before we wrapped, I asked Kate to share what she could about this presence turned directly with Harry.

Kate the Brave (89:25)

You know what's interesting? I didn't pick up on the second male at all until we did another walk around. And you were down there. I went around the corner like, I don't know, it's not necessarily by the kitchen, but like this area. As soon as I turned that corner, I was like, oh, there's a younger male down here. And then there was something else I picked up on downstairs too, about the. The POS systems. Like when they freeze or if they're slowing down. That feels intentional and not like a techy thing.

Harry (89:58)

Many issues with pos.

Stephen Ballew (89:59)

Yes.

Kate the Brave (90:01)

And they'll like freeze. It looks like. Or like. Like I like. See this on the screen is what it looks like. That's a man doing that.

Stephen Ballew (90:09)

Is it this? Is it Walter? Is it different?

Kate the Brave (90:11)

No, I don't think it's Walter. I think it's the same man because there somebody down there who like pokes and pinches and prods people.

Harry (90:19)

It has been a glitchy system which has had many errors. And sometimes tickets do come out very slow. I'm talking minutes slow after someone pays for a receipt.

Stephen Ballew (90:31)

So slow down. Yeah, I haven't had any reports of anybody being touched yet. Do you have anything that I. I don't know about that might have. Relate to that?

Harry (90:43)

I've had some guests talk about some grab graze their arm going up and downstairs.

Stephen Ballew (90:48)

Oh, okay. Gotcha.

Meg (90:50)

In that back room back there too. When they go in to get supplies or anything out of there, people will get poked or nudged or something very.

Kate the Brave (90:59)

Watched in that back room. Like if you're back there, so is he. And that feels like Walter. He's like.

Stephen Ballew (91:06)

Okay.

Harry (91:07)

Just a couple days ago, one of my newer staff had a situation where someone was tapping on the bathroom while she was in there. No one was outside. I was actually in the storage room.

Stephen Ballew (91:16)

Is it the same bathroom with your incident or different?

Harry (91:19)

It's the one across.

Jeffrey (91:19)

The one across from it. Okay.

Kate the Brave (91:21)

Yes.

Harry (91:21)

But I feel a lot of people had their own experiences that they don't really think it's something to bring up with other people because they might think that. Yeah, other people won't believe them or maybe it's a figment of their imagination. But. And in this house, you know, a lot of things have happened, so could it all be coincidence?

Stephen Ballew (91:35)

I mean, I don't know.

Harry (91:36)

Yeah, but especially up by those bathrooms and that. That hallway in general by that storage, a lot of weird stuff does happen and a lot of people do sense that. And lately, even a lot of guests come up. I mean, they ask, you know, is this place haunted? And at first I say, yeah, like, wow. I tell since I walked in, especially when they're upstairs. And this is the past few weeks we've had big influence influx of new customers come here that have been in the building for the first time ever or from out of town, and they get that same vibe.

Stephen Ballew (92:06)

Despite all the incredible validations we experienced during this investigation, there's still a great deal of confusion surrounding this case, largely due to the wide variety of reports tied to the property. But for me, what stood out most during this visit with our three mediums were the consistencies. A strong male presence came through in two of our Estes sessions, both identifying the name Walter and Jeffrey's sketch bore a striking resemblance to a younger Walter Tips, complete with his signature prominent mustache. If I'm being completely honest, I initially wondered if this was a case of mistaken identity. After all, many of the Fredo's staff seemed to use Walter as a kind of catch all scapegoat for anything unexplainable. But after what we experienced tonight, I'm starting to believe that while Walter may not be responsible for everything, he is very likely a lingering presence in his former beloved home. Now I find myself wondering, could his wife Johanna, who may have gone by Mary, also still be here? Might she be the older woman Marisol saw in the bathroom mirror? And what about the reports of a little boy and girl haunting the upstairs? Both Jeffrey and Kate shared impressions that suggest this might be the case. Then there's the younger woman, a presence that both Kate and Meg seem to pick up on, yet who doesn't appear to be tied to the home's history. Could she be someone else entirely trying to come through? And finally, could there be another elusive spirit? A younger male lingering downstairs? One who seems more mischievous in nature and possibly responsible for the recurring issues with equipment and electronics in the cafe. The night had come to an end, but our search for answers was far from over. My father and I planned to take a deeper dive into the historical research to see if we could connect more dots between what we uncovered tonight and the documented past of the home. And in time, we'll return to Fredo ATX with our trio of mediums and the full night Owl team for one final investigation. I don't know if we'll be able to solve every mystery tied to this house, but maybe, just maybe, we'll find enough answers to give voice to the spirits who are still wanting their stories to be told. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Night Owl Podcast. Be sure to join us as this paranormal adventure concludes on June 30th. Be sure to subscribe to our newsletter on our website thenight owlpodcast.com follow us on Instagram or Facebook Henight Owl Podcast and consider becoming a patron and supporting our show on patreon.com thenight owlpodcast to stay up to date with our show's news and events. Stay restless out there. I'd like to thank my investigative team, Alexis, Franklin and Jeffrey for going on these crazy adventures with me Nicholas Fair for his talented musical contributions to this show my dad Sam for his incredible historical research Mikey for his assistance editing Beau Tristan and Devin for their help with our Night Owl events and tours Sandra for keeping us all on schedule and on budget and last but not least, David Dalton of Driftworks Sound for mastering every single episode on the tight turnarounds I give him. Please support their works by visiting our website thenight owlpodcast.com and clicking on the about tab. There you can find links to all their individual works and websites. This podcast was mastered by David Dalton of Driftworks Sound. Do you have a song that could use a professional touch to get it across the finish line? Do you wish you could remove the sound of a loud air conditioner or distracting mouth noises from your podcast recording? Whatever your issue, David can repair and enhance your audio and help you achieve rich, full professional sound at industry standard loudness levels. Quit struggling with audio engineering and get back to creating. To discuss your options, reach out to david@driftworksound.com that'S-R-Ftworksound.com and set your creative self free.