Spirits at Sunset Strip - Part V

Summary

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The Night Owl Podcast – E58: Spirits at Sunset Strip, Part V

Date: March 31, 2025
Host: Stephen Belyeu
Produced by: Night Owl Paranormal Research Society

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Main Theme

Spirits at Sunset Strip – Part V concludes a chilling multi-part investigation into the haunted Sunset Strip Comedy Club on Austin’s historic 6th Street. Host Stephen Belyeu and the Night Owl team—joined by psychics, guest investigators, and the club’s owner—revisit unresolved mysteries. They attempt to unravel the true story behind the building’s tragic past, explore contradictory historical records, test innovative spirit communication methods, and seek to discern the origins of the venue’s ongoing paranormal disturbances.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Recap of Ongoing Investigation

• Previous episodes centered around haunting phenomena—shadow figures, disembodied voices, and unsettling presences, notably in the club’s back stairwell.
• The tragic death of John Waller Stevens Jr. (allegedly by Lysol poisoning/suicide in 1926) was long thought central to the haunting, but growing evidence now points to deeper, more complex mysteries.
• Inconsistent reports: Death certificate lists suicide by Lysol; contemporary newspaper articles claim car accident. Oddly, police took Stevens to his workplace instead of the hospital or his nearby home.

2. Fact-Checking and Historical Investigation

• Nicole Ricardo's research confirmed both suicide and accident were reported; his burial away from family raises questions of possible ostracization.
• Confusion over addresses: Wilson Furniture Co. (Stevens' employer) was at 212 E 6th St, now Voodoo Donuts, but the haunting is most manifest at 214 E 6th St, home of the comedy club.
• No evidence of a bordello in the building, challenging common local lore.
• Other historical suicides in similar locations, though not all connected by name/location.

3. Psychic and Paranormal Insights

• Psychics Kate and Jeffrey provided independent readings after being briefed on prior findings (except the most recent ones to minimize bias).
• Both separate the “shadow presence” from Stevens. The shadow is perceived as inhuman, opportunistic, and possibly summoned during seances once held in the themed speakeasy (“J. Stevens”).
  • Jeffrey: “I don’t think it was a suicide. Ever since you told me about that, I’ve felt hands being grabbed from behind, grabbing his head and holding it back to keep his mouth open.” (23:14)
  • Kate: “He keeps showing more of a network and less of like a solo for my own pleasure ... He acts scared. ... He is completely separate from the shadow man.” (27:47, 31:32)
• Both mediums express that Stevens’ spirit is frantic, confused, and insistent he was murdered—not a suicide.

4. Advanced Spirit Communication Experiments

• Guest investigators Nicole and Damian (Real Ghosts of & Parapeculiar podcasts) introduce high-tech EVP and detuned radio methods for spirit communication.
• Multiple sessions (EVP, Estes Method):
  • Notable words/phrases from both male and female voices.
  • Physical sensations reported (touches, kicks, chills).
  • Spirit(s) direct the group toward a hidden space behind a wall, describing a “box” as containing secret “papers.”
  • The investigators physically locate a dusty box in a hard-to-access place. Disappointingly, it contains only metal pipe fittings, not papers.

Nicole (while blindfolded, led to the area above the office): “It’s in the wall, behind. The papers. It’s there.” (73:10-73:44)
Meg: “Did I say out loud that it's on its shelf but it's not on a shelf?” (82:03)

5. Theories and Ongoing Mysteries

• The “shadow” is theorized to be a recent arrival, not tied to Stevens, likely drawn in by amateur seances and fixation on the building’s dark history.
• The “good” spirit, Hank, acts as a positive presence, “guardian”—though history reveals no real-world counterpart for his name.
• The female presences: Older, possibly matriarchal, one felt protective and secretive, restraining the revelation of truths; another, “younger,” is repeatedly silenced, possibly connected to the club’s mysterious social past.

6. Concluding Actions & Club Owner’s Reflections

• Despite elaborate experiments, definitive answers elude the team about Stevens’ death, the shadow’s true origin, or the location of possible incriminating documents.
• Alexis, spiritualist/witch, recommends focusing energy on uplifting positive spirits (like Hank), regular cleansing, and not feeding the shadow by giving it attention.
• Owner Christina reports that focusing less on the negative, saging, and acknowledging spirits has lessened the intensity of disturbances—though some activity continues.

Christina (on advice to staff): “I think I just need to do that again and just pretend like he’s just not there and just kind of focus more on Hank ... that has been kind of working.” (100:47)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Contradictions in Death Records

Stephen: “The death certificate… states that John Waller Stevens Jr. died from Lysol poisoning… The articles… completely contradict what is stated on the death certificate.” (03:42)

On the Shadow Figure

Kate: “He acts scared. … He is completely separate from the shadow man, but I think they’re related. I think this is somebody that came in when they started doing seances and stuff in the bar.” (31:32)

Spirit Communication:

Female Spirit via Estes: “It’s in the wall, neighbor. It's in the wall here ... Papers.” (73:41, 74:12)

On Empowerment

Alexis: “The people here are giving [the shadow] more power than it really has ... I would elevate the good spirits. ... If that shadow's around, Hank can make sure to keep it at bay.” (96:06, 99:01)

Aftermath & Ongoing Activity

Christina: “There's still activity and has not left, but I don't think that it's as aggressive as it was. ...I'm less scared. ... I just say, everything's fine. I'm here.” (102:26, 104:06)

On the Investigation's Value

Stephen: “We may not have the final answers, but perhaps that's the most powerful truth of all. Sometimes the mysteries we can’t fully solve leave the most lasting impact.” (109:07)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:09–07:10 — Introduction & Recap of Series, Discovery of Contradictory Official Records
• 10:25–16:19 — Briefing Psychics on Investigation, Shadow Figure Discussion Begins
• 17:29–21:47 — Shadow Figure Observations, Staff and Psychic Impressions
• 22:08–25:44 — Jeffrey’s Reading: “I don’t think it was a suicide… never was.”
• 26:46–32:32 — Kate’s Reading: Theories on Matriarchal Female Spirit, Network of Shady Dealings, Shadow as Opportunist
• 33:54–34:38 — Historical Interview: Marketing the Bar as a Haunted Paranormal Destination
• 38:39–40:26 — Guardian Spirit “Hank” Insights, Shadow’s Patterns of Manifestation
• 40:39–46:34 — Mediums’ Theories After Being Told About Newspaper Contradictions
• 57:59–61:21 — Damian Describes Experimental EVP Setup
• 66:09–78:16 — Estes Session: Box in the Wall, Search for Hidden Documents
• 80:15–84:43 — Attic Search, Discovery of Box, Disappointment at Contents
• 85:44–88:56 — Debriefing: Theories about Shadow’s Origin, Emphasis on Positive Spirits
• 89:49–94:48 — Final Estes with Owner Christina, Shadow’s Elusiveness
• 96:06–99:41 — Alexis’s Cleanse Recommendations, Advice for Managing Haunting
• 100:31–102:09 — Christina’s Final Reflections, Emotional Journey, Shifting Focus
• 102:26–107:16 — Post-Investigation Update: Ongoing Activity, Healthier Energy, Acknowledging Positive Spirits
• 107:48–109:07 — Series Reflections: Unsolved Mysteries Endure

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Conclusion

The Night Owl’s “Spirits at Sunset Strip – Part V” is as much about confronting the limits of the knowable as it is about chasing ghosts. The team’s diligent research, historical detective work, and psychic insights highlight how hauntings are more than simple tales—they are tangled webs of trauma, secrecy, and the stories we retell. The case ends not with the vanquishing of spirits or the discovery of hidden evidence, but with a pragmatic plan for peace: elevate the good, don’t fear the unknown, and know that in these unresolved shadows, powerful truths about ourselves and our spaces endure.

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Listen to the episode for more details, live reactions, and to experience the chilling moments as they unfold.

Transcript

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The Night owl Podcast Episode 58 the Spirits at Sunset Strip Part 5.

[B]

Welcome.

[A]

To the Night Owl Podcast. I'm your host, Stephen Ballew, and this is a place for all you restless spirits out there to tune in and hear true tales of the paranormal. I hunt these stories down, capture them from the mouths of those who've experienced them, and share them with you right here. We're currently looking for more personal ghost stories or haunted locations, so if you or someone you know has one, please submit it to us. For consideration, go to thenight owlpodcast.com Click on the Submit yout Story page and let us hear your ghost story. Over the past four episodes in this series, the Night Owl team has been immersed in a chilling investigation of the Sunset Strip Comedy Club, located on Austin's legendary 6th Street. From eerie disembodied voices and shadow figures to a haunting presence in the back stairwell, our team has uncovered a disturbing pattern of paranormal activity tied to the building's long and mysterious past. Early on, we uncovered the tragic story of John Waller Stevens Jr. Whose alleged suicide by self administered Lysol ingestion was thought to haunt the club. But the investigation has since revealed far more than we ever expected. In parts two and three, psychic mediums Jeffrey and Kate the Brave helped validate staff experiences while introducing new and unexpected spirits. And Jeffrey even identified a spirit named Hank who had no connection to the original story of John's death. And Kate brought to light that the negative energy in the building might not be tied to John at all, but to something darker lurking in the shadows. Then in part four, we discovered a game changing revelation that completely shook our understanding of John's death. Nicole Ricardo, a trusted member of the paranormal community, revealed in a phone call with me that she had investigated the speakeasy below the Sunset Strip Eden years earlier. Through her and a teammate's extensive research, they uncovered startling contradictions in the narrative surrounding J. Waller Stevens Jr's death. Newspaper articles describing his death as a result of a car accident, no mention of the Lysol or suicide. Even more puzzling was the strange police report showing that after the accident, John was driven across town past his house and two hospitals, directly to his workplace at Wilson Furniture Co. Now the very building we're investigating. These discoveries raised more questions than ever about the true circumstances surrounding his death. Now, armed with new evidence and insights, including the help of Nicole and our team of psychics, we'll return to Sunset Strip Comedy Club, determined to uncover the truth. Will our last investigation reveal what truly happened to J. Waller Stevens? Jr. And what dark forces are still at play in this historic building. Join us as we continue our journey to solve this mystery and confront whatever spirits may be haunting the Sunset Strip Comedy Club in Austin, Texas. I just have one announcement for you Night Owls. It's that time of year again. The Austin Chronicles 35th annual Best of Austin Readers Poll is up for voting and I'm thrilled to announce that the Night Owl Podcast has won Best Podcast in Austin four times already. I'd love to make it a fifth win and I need your help to get there. First round of voting is open now through April 7th. This is your chance to nominate your favorites in each category. The finalists will advance to the final ballot, which runs from May 8 to May 19. Winners will be announced in the Austin Chronicles winners issue on June 19th. To vote, head over to vote.austincronicle.com youm'll need to register with your name, email and zip code and you do not have to live here. You can nominate us from anywhere. Once logged in, navigate to the Politics and Media section, find the best podcast category and and type in the Night Owl.

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You can also nominate your favorite radio.

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Or podcast hosts while you're there. Yours truly would be appreciated. If you love the Night Owl Podcast and think we're doing great work, please show us your love and nominate us in the Austin Chronicles Best podcast category before April 7th. Thank you for your support. In the previous episode, we heard the incredible amount of research that Nicole and her team member did on their investigation several years back into the mysterious haunting of of the speakeasy directly below Sunset Strip Eden. Many of the things that Nicole shared with me on that call have been verified by historical documents and records. The death certificate, which I have seen for myself, does indeed state that John Waller Stevens Jr. Died from Lysol poisoning on July 23, 1926 at 4:15pm Furthermore, it states that Lysol was removed from his stomach via pump. It also lists his employment as that of bookkeeper for Wilson Furniture Co. The two newspaper articles that Nicole mentioned I have seen as well, and they are just as perplexing and confusing as she described. They completely contradict what is stated on the death certificate. The articles both say that John Waller Stevens Jr. Was involved in a car accident on the afternoon of July 23, 1926. One article does indeed describe how a policeman flagged down a passerby truck and had that truck transport him to his place of employment instead of to a hospital and and it gives conflicting times of death as well. The wedding announcement that Nicole referred to was in the November 19, 1913 edition of the Austin American Statesman. She was absolutely correct that all the family members except J. Waller Stevens, Jr. Was listed in the article. Is this proof that John was considered a black sheep or outcast from his family? Not 100%, but it does show that there could possibly be some truth to that idea. However, upon further digging, Austin City directory records from 1918 show that he was still living with his father, mother and brother, brother George, in the same household at that time. In addition, the 1920 Austin City Directory shows him still living at the same address with his mother Elizabeth and brother George. Apparently, he lived with them until his marriage to Beulah May Wilcox on February 26, 1922. So I don't know how much of an outcast or black sheep that would make him. I did confirm that he was indeed buried alone in Oakwood Cemetery in Austin, Texas. His father and mother were both buried in Grosbeck, Texas, at their family plot. They had a plot there in the Falconberry Cemetery where they were originally from and where two of their children had been buried after their deaths in 1885 and 1888. John's other siblings lived much longer and were buried with their respective families in the 1950s and 1970s. So was he purposefully ostracized or was it merely a logistical and convenience thing that he was buried in Oakwood Cemetery? We really don't have the answer for that. Nicole mentioned that J. Waller Stevens, Jr. Was the oldest of six siblings. However, federal consensus records indicate that he was actually next to the young youngest of the six siblings. Two older siblings, Willie and Virgie, died in early childhood, and he had an older sister, Ethel, and brother George. His only younger sister was named Sydney. The historical document describing the web building does exist, and it does state that a suicide took place sometime in the 1920s under the interior stairs of the Wilson Furniture Company. But it is described as a gunshot wound, and the person listed was a manager named Stevenson, not Stevens. But this same document does mention that A.N.

[B]

O.W.

[A]

Wilson, owner of the furniture store, had accused his manager Stevenson, of embezzlement, and shortly thereafter he was said to take his own life under the stairs of that building by shooting himself. Another strange layer to this mystery that was revealed through this research was that the Wilson furniture and the apparent location of J. Waller Stevens, Jr. S supposed suicide was in this building, Sunset Strip Comedy Club's building. However, upon further investigation, we had determined that the Wilson Furniture store was the building that Voodoo donuts occupies today. 212 East 6th Street Sunset Strip is directly to its right. 214 East 6th Street. We've heard rumors that the upper floors of the building were connected, but we cannot say for certain that they were. However, I did find evidence in the Austin city directory from 1922 that a person by the name of G. Charles, a housekeeper for the Wilson Shaw Furniture Company, resided at the address 212 East 6th Street. So the upper floors may have been actually used for boarding at some point. But I found absolutely no evidence of there being any bordello or other illicit establishments at this location, which is usually the case in this situation. So those are all the facts that were recovered through research by Nicole or then my father and myself. Many of the other things stated by Nicole are obviously conjecture or opinions on her part, which she has formulated based on her research and personal interpretations. Obviously, the discrepancies between the official death certificate and the two newspaper accounts do lead a person into believing there was something weird going on at this time. The question still remained. Could there have been a cover up? Was it really suicide? Or was there something else going on? Was J. Waller Stevens Jr. Guilty of embezzlement or merely a pawn in someone else's criminal activities? These questions and more I hoped we could possibly answer with one final visit to Sunset Strip Comedy on Sunday, February 2nd. Nearly three months had passed since our last investigation with Jeffrey and Kate the Brave. Today I knew we had to approach this final investigation differently. This case had become so complex and drawn out that our psychics would now have had the opportunity to review the first three parts of the series of the podcast. However, it's important to note at this time of this recording, Part four had not yet been released. So this means that all the new revelations from Nicole's phone call were still unknown to the psychics. In the spirit of full transparency, I never want to make assumptions. Although my psychics assured me that they wouldn't listen to the previous episodes if I wanted them not to, I've learned that such promises are difficult to verify as I have no control over what they may or may not do. So instead of approaching today as if they were unaware of past developments, I decided to lay everything out for them. All the information from the first three parts of the series, and then have them explore the case with all this knowledge. Separately, I was also excited to have Nicole and her paranormal partner in crime, Damian, join us today. Both are seasoned investigators with the real ghost of and Peri peculiar podcasts. They've assembled some cutting edge gear and devices and are continuously innovating New methods for spirit communication. And today we'd be experimenting with some of these tools as well. As everyone gathered on the third floor of the Sunset Strip building, I took a moment to outline the plan and bring Jeffrey and Kate up to speed.

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Hey, Jeffrey, before you dive into everything, I'm gonna give a quick update of, like, the goal for the day, but also give y' all everything that y' all should know about what's going on. And because you didn't get to listen to all of them, I still want to reveal it to you just so we have, like, a baseline. So key thing is, obviously the staff here reached out because they were. They were concerned because the back stairwell, they were having a lot of uneasy feelings back there. Really uncomfortable. Many people called it, like a strong, male, oppressive presence. Some of them even saw the figure, the shadow figure. But they were also attributing that same presence to the things that would scare them up here. So shadow figures are one that we got to try to get some answers for, because that's mostly what I want to help take care of for Christina and keeping her staff, like, comfortable. Opening by themselves, closing by themselves. Even Christina can't. The last time we were here, she wanted to leave because she was like, I'm feeling him again, and I want her to feel safe here. But there's also. What they were attributing to that shadow figure was a mysterious death that actually has record of taking place. There's not, like a full written out explanation. This is where it gets a little tricky. But there is some unique things that we've found, and thanks to Nicole, we have gotten a lot of things that really prove that it was in this vicinity, in this building, that it happened. So J. Waller Stevens Jr. John Waller Stevens Jr. Was a bookkeeper for the building, but also specifically a furniture store in the building. And that furniture store has records also of some other things that were going on. And so I'll reveal that a little bit later. But it was true to a degree. We found some things that reveal that the embezzling. He was accused of that. So that's there. So you've got a bookkeeper from the 20s. He died in 1926, July 23, 1926, of apparent self administered Lysol poisoning. Now, that's what the staff all here had read about and believed. And the thing about it was there were things that it's kind of still kind of uncertain of where. But all the rumors say he did it in the closet under the stairs here. It's hard to Confirm it. Because I will say this. In both of our research, we did determine that the Wilson Furniture was in this building. However, it was Voodoo's donut side of the building. So I don't understand why it would be here. Why is his presence felt here? Why is. Are we finding him here? It's still the same building back in the day, but it was split in two. It had businesses on that side and businesses on this side. So that's something I want you all to kind of like sit with and try to see if there's any sort of explanation for that. And why if it is J. Waller Stevens Jr. Why is he on this side of the building? Did he actually come over here and do it on this side of the building? I don't know, but I won't reveal it. Now. What are you seeing?

[C]

He's walking around up there.

[D]

He's moving around.

[B]

Really?

[C]

He can see it moving?

[D]

You can see even energy waves.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I'm seeing like it's not the.

[D]

Not that part.

[B]

Reflection. Okay. Something different.

[D]

It's like he's on a catwalk type thing.

[B]

You just. Yeah.

[D]

Sometimes even just on the ceiling.

[C]

See that little speck of light kind.

[B]

Of in the middle?

[C]

You see him move in front of it. We see you. Yes.

[B]

Hello.

[D]

He's up there.

[C]

He's just listening.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Whenever you talk about him scaring Christine, he likes it. And I don't like that also.

[E]

So you're saying that the furniture store had nothing to do with this side? There was a wall in between.

[B]

Based on the city records and the documentation of the building, there was another business on this side.

[E]

Okay.

[F]

When we were sitting in voodoo donuts. If you look at the wall on the right side, you can actually see the arches. It's bricked in now, but you can see the arches. That would have been the pass through between the two sides of the building connect, though.

[B]

Yes.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

Like hallway.

[B]

And I think at one point it was all really open, I believe, and then at some point it closed. But we can't really tell with the timeline if it was before or after J. Stevens passed away.

[E]

Do we know what this business was over here?

[B]

I do. Yeah. Do you. Do you getting anything?

[E]

Well, I think that they were friends. So it's like a walk through and like a visit. And I think that his friend. I think that was like the office back there. And that's why he spent so much time over here. I do not get him dying in that bathroom at all.

[B]

And then the key is to decipher if it's still true for y' all both. And I want to get y' all to go separate and just sit with it for a little bit, and then I'll come and get Yalls readings.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

The shadow person, is it. Is it still for y' all separate from J. Waller? And if it's. If it is, you were picking up that there's a possible. Still a tie to him in his energy or some sort. And if that's true, hold on to that. Let's not share it yet. And I want to know what you pick up on that. Also, if the shadow person feels different, if you're even. You may not even be picking up J. Waller, period. And that's okay. You may be just like, I gotta focus on the shadow because you don't feel him. But let me know what you think about the suicide by Lysol. I will reveal in a moment after we've sat for a little bit. There is some contradictory articles that really confuse us regarding his death. And that's where I want to reveal those to y'. All. But after you've sat with it for a while to see if you've picked up anything regarding his death. Okay, so where do you. Where do y' all want to sit for a little bit separate from each other?

[C]

I need to go back here.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

I'm gonna sit over here.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

I'm gonna go get my notebook and pen.

[B]

Okay, go for it.

[A]

The other female voice you just heard in that conversation was Nicole Ricardo. As I mentioned, she and Damien would be joining us today. And since there are new voices, I'll do my best to point them out. Also today, we have a longtime friend of the show assisting with photography. But later on, you'll hear her get more involved in our experiments with Damien and Nicole. This is Meg. She helped us out on some of our past cases, but more notably, she did the sound healing ceremony that you heard in our Haunted Visions case and in Drooping Springs. But in this moment, as our psychics, Kate and Jeffrey, separated and began doing their own readings apart from each other, I wanted to check in with Nicole.

[B]

Is there anything that I missed? And that. That's kind of what they know. They know from the episodes? I don't think I missed anything from that.

[F]

No. And that what Kate was saying about the. The businesses being connected, I mean, we know they were with these buildings, but how she was saying he was doing the books for all of them, that is exactly aligned with what my theory is on all of it and kind of where the. You Know, when we did our seance, the Paul character came into play as he was the one that was kind of running the more, you know, illegal activities and that J. Waller was running the books for all of it.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

This Paul name that Nicole just referred to was a name that came through her Ouija board session that she held years ago in the speakeasy Eden. The theory behind this name for her was that he was a person tied to the shady dealings in the building and possibly connected to J. Stevens death. Again, just theories from her own sessions years ago, not fact. And earlier, you heard Jeffrey spotting the darker shadow presence in the main front of house area of the venue. Oddly, he was seeing him up in the ceiling. Nicole and Damien were also witnesses to this. And I wanted them to describe what they were seeing to me here.

[F]

Now, the wave. So that's probably something even you would be able to see. Like, you know when it's really hot out and you look at asphalt and you see kind of the.

[B]

Like the gasoline type waves.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[D]

You'll see manifest into a shadow.

[F]

Usually what you'll see when we're seeing the shadow stuff, and that's what we were seeing up there when everybody was seeing it. Kind of walk around, you look up.

[D]

There, you get that feeling.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

You know those.

[F]

Well, it just feels weird.

[A]

In my time here, I'd yet to see a pass through that showed me that 212 and 214 East 6th street were connected in any way. I began thinking about what the back alley may have and if there were any easy access points or visible pass throughs back there.

[B]

I'm wondering if there's a way to get to the other building out there too.

[F]

The voodoo donut side. See, and that's something like. I know when I was here, I know. Tasha showed me a pass through between them.

[A]

While Kate and Jeffrey were still in separate areas of the building. Christina came out of the hallway leading to the bathrooms and. And she looks startled.

[B]

Are you okay?

[G]

I just. I was just in the bathroom and it just feels like something was around just trying to like, pop out and scare me.

[B]

Okay.

[G]

I don't know if that was just like. Yeah, because we're here and we're doing this.

[B]

Well, I think.

[G]

And it's my subconscious for them to.

[B]

Be seeing something already quickly. And then Jeffrey saw it right away. I think it's kind of knowing we're.

[G]

Getting close, but it, like it didn't feel like a shadow figure.

[B]

No. What did it feel like for you?

[G]

It felt like the Girl that like, we. We used to like, see or like, feel the.

[B]

The female presence, the one in the green room kind of thing. Okay.

[G]

I don't know why it felt like her.

[B]

Interesting.

[G]

Well, but it was just like you.

[B]

Were in the women's restroom. Yeah. Okay. And then.

[G]

And it wasn't like, I'm gonna scare you. It's like, oh, you're in trouble. And then like, maybe she's trying to.

[B]

Warn you like this other things kind of getting agitated maybe. But Alexis is coming later, so we have Arsenal coming. Don't worry. You're gonna be safe.

[A]

This was true. Alexis was busy at the moment, but was going to be joining us shortly. While we waited for Jeffrey and Kate to finish their first walkthroughs, Christina brought up something. She was confused and couldn't recall if any of the psychics ever actually picked up on John Waller Stevens Jr.

[B]

Yet.

[A]

So I reminded her, and no one's.

[G]

Made connection with him.

[A]

Kate, she's.

[B]

Remember the last time? Businessman, embezzling books, bookkeeper she knows. And she got the name John, like clear. She said John.

[G]

But was someone telling her about it?

[B]

No, she's seeing him.

[G]

She's seen him.

[B]

No, the shadow she feels is completely separate.

[F]

Right.

[B]

But she also feels that he's tied to that same guy. And her theory from her time here is that there was a person that was involved in cover up and maybe.

[A]

Doing it to killing him.

[B]

This is a big theory.

[A]

And we're wondering if his energy is.

[B]

Part of the shadow. Because it's like, usually when we go places and there's a cover up of something, the person that's going to be revealed is always there in shadow form. And it's trying to keep things confusing. So those shadows typically like to confuse people that are currently in the place. And yalls confusion that it was J. Waller makes sense because he's like, no.

[A]

One will know it's me.

[B]

And they'll just think this guy who killed himself is the one here doing this. But I get to have all this fun, right?

[G]

And they said downstairs, they said that when they did the sounds though, that he like, came to them and said that like, he was the reason. He was the reason for like all the tricks and like.

[A]

And that was her.

[B]

So you can talk to her. But he's here. But I don't think he's doing the terrifying like, okay, like he might be messing with lights, but that's not like terrifying, y'. All. I think the thing that happened with Philip is the shadow, the feeling. I'll get going down the stairs is a shadow. He could be doing moving of objects. That's like, just notice me. But you. Well, a lot of times in places that are haunted, you're just thinking, one.

[A]

Thing is doing all this stuff, and.

[B]

It'S scaring the out of us. But if you separate them, think about the things that are truly scary and things that are just things moving or lights turning on or off. And I think Jay Waller is responsible for the more casual type of. Yeah, everywhere we go, that's haunted. There's lights turning on and off, and.

[A]

There'S objects falling or breaking.

[B]

But that's not, like, personal. I'm getting into your skin and making you feel uncomfortable. That's more like, hey, I'm here.

[A]

Notice me.

[B]

I got a story to tell. But if you're getting the. When you want to close at night and someone's, like, hovering over you, I think those are the shadow, and I think it's separate. So I'm gonna go talk with Jeffrey and Kate and see what they've gotten so far. Yeah, for sure. Cool.

[A]

Jeffrey had made it back to the front of house, and while Kate was away, I wanted to get an update from him.

[C]

He's moving. I can. It's like he's preparing something. He won't pay attention to me. I keep asking him what he wants. I keep telling him that he's not gonna hurt people anymore. And he's, like, turned his back to me.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It's like he's up there. Looks like someone doing dishes or something. He's moving his arms. I've seen him all over the place with. I mean, I'm looking at him with my eyes right now, not in my head.

[B]

Wow. And. And is he still shadowy, or is he.

[C]

It's a thick, dark shadow. It's a silhouette of. Of a person. I'm assuming it's a man. He's right up there.

[B]

And it's, like, beyond the. The roof type area. Is that you're seeing?

[C]

No, you see where the pipes intersect?

[B]

Right there.

[C]

He's right there.

[B]

It's like.

[C]

Like he's standing up there. Okay, but I've seen something. A grayish figure crouching over there. And then I've seen, like, little shadows or like, a hand coming around just a piece. But, I mean, that's full figure right there.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I've heard some, like, noises, like, you know, breathing and stuff. But Hank's not around right now. I'm not picking up on him. It's just the shadow thing.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I do have Some thoughts about the suicide. The Lysol?

[B]

Yeah. What are you feeling? Okay?

[C]

I don't think it was a suicide. Ever since you told me about that, I've felt hands being grabbed from behind, grabbing his head and holding it back to keep his mouth open. So I don't think it was a suicide. I don't know if his spirit is here or if it's just you mentioning it and me picking up on what happened, but I don't think that he killed himself. I did get a sense of a hallway between the. The two buildings, you know, especially like brick, like all these brick walls, some sort of connection. But I also remember down in the speakeasy, remember, I saw the guys being told to move boxes and things like that, so I knew there was some sort of something illegal going on, something shady. And I think that has to do with why he was killed. And it was framed as a suicide because he wasn't just embezzling, he knew stuff. Those are the impressions I got when you gave me that information. But just like last time, when it was all about Hank, who I think is here to not just help, but he kind of. He kind of protects them in a way. Right? I think he keeps those things at bay with the energy that he expends when he's doing the things that he does. But either he's just not active right now, but these. All I'm picking up right at this moment is this. And it's not a bunch of little ones. It's that same mean spirited thing that I picked up last time, but this time he's even bigger. He's like full size. So that's what I'm. That's what I'm picking up on now. And he just. He thrives on the. The energy and the noise and all of that and the drama that goes on in, you know, a public place. But he likes scaring people.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It motivates him.

[B]

Do you feel any connection with the shadow and the person who might have died of suicide at all? Is there anything connecting?

[C]

I don't think so. This feels like an inhuman spirit that's just attracted here because of stuff that goes on there. Almost like that creepy thing at the pompy house. You know, things are attracted to energies. You know, in a place like this, with. Especially with all the stuff that goes on here and all the. The energy that's raised every night through the laughter and the, you know, the performance and all of those kinds of things. I mean, this is just like a feeding ground for an Entity like that. I mean, I'm just trying to see more clearly right now to see if I can figure out what it is he wants. Is he trapped here? Is he hurt? Is that why he's being mean? Because he's in pain, but he's just got his back to me. He doesn't like it that I can see him, but I'm not scared of him.

[A]

Nicole pulled me aside at this moment because she, too, had taken a walk and picked up on some strangeness that she wanted to relay to me.

[F]

Yeah, so I was walking back this way while everybody's, you know, walking around reading, because I was just like, oh, I kind of starting to feel sick to my stomach. So I guess let's walk towards that. So I walked back there into the room to the left, pitch black. I immediately walk over to the back left corner because it just felt like some. Somebody, like something was hiding in there. And then Kate said, oh, can we ask Stephen if we can go into the office? And I was like, where's the office? And she literally pointed right where I was. I was like, oh, there's a door there. So I think the office, based on what I'm feeling, at least, would be a really good spot to try to do a session.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. The back office, if you'll recall, had a lot of uneasy feelings centered around it for some staff and Christina. I was interested to see what might unfold later during our first experiments with Nicole and Damien in that area. But at this moment, Kate had finally returned and Jeffrey stepped away so I could get an update from her privately.

[E]

The first thing that came in is, like, kind of new from last time is this older woman. And it's funny because I see her very, like, thick. Like, how do I describe that? More of an apparition, if that makes sense. Like, when I pick him on spirit, it's. I feel it. I can see it. But, like, her, it's like if I turned, I felt like I could see her. My arm's being pulled right now as I'm, like, talking about her. And also she's making it hard to breathe. This woman feels connected or related to John. I kind of think it's like his.

[B]

Mom got that last time.

[E]

You said grandma, Grandma. She's protecting the secrets. And it's like, as we get closer, she's like. It's like, as we get closer, she gets closer. And I'm seeing her more solid, more solid, more solid. She's my height.

[B]

One second, because I got something that I'm really curious About Christina just had an incident with a woman spirit just now.

[E]

And it's funny because like, so we were in that back room and I felt drawn to there. And then Meg, she said that she saw a man sitting in the armchair. And I'm like, yes, that is John. That is John. And like as soon as we started talking about it, you can feel the energy. Like more people were coming in. More people were coming in. She's standing like right there and like watching. She's wearing a dress, she looks older, her hair is pinned back. But I think it's like to show her demeanor. Serious, confidential matriarch. Like that, that. And then I felt like all these like men taking seats and everybody smelled smoke when we walked back there. Meg said that she didn't smell the smoking beforehand and that it appeared. So we're sitting there talking and then back where the off. I want to go back there so bad. We're going to go where the office is. There's like this energy right there. What I see is like all these people come and they meet in that back room and John was part of them. Whoever was over here was part of it. Like in a coming together. I keep asking like, why are you embezzling money? Where is this money going? Where? What are you using it for? And he keeps showing like more of a network and less of like a solo for my own pleasure. Now I also am seeing like you gambling from him and like poker games or things like that, which I think like part of his money went to. And I feel like there was somebody that he owed money to. And that is why he acts scared. Cuz every time I see his energy. If you're observing him sitting there, it's calm. But if you like really look at him, he's like fidgety, he's trying to find things. The first time I saw him was in the office, like fumbling through the papers, like trying to find shit. I think that he is completely separate from the shadow man, but I think they're related. And I can't. My theory when I was tapping up on the way here was that this was somebody who came in when they started doing seances and stuff in the bar. And I think that's why it feels tied, because it's like tied to his name. Even though it's not him. I think it's that somebody that came in and took advantage of the fact that they were trying to reach out to John Stevens and this man showed up and like is an opportunist is how it feels Also, I feel like that's how he attacks people. It's, like, opportunity. If somebody has, like, this weak spot, he's gonna find it. He's gonna make you feel it. I have felt nauseous for this whole walkthrough. She's felt nauseous. Meg has felt nausea. Have you? Very female to me. It's like, imitating or intimidating to the females. And I think that's because he takes advantage of, like, the weaknesses. I think that when people see, like, the hallucinations, I think that's him taking advantage of, like, how their brain is, how their brain functions, what they're able to see. And his strength comes the more that people, like, talk about it and give him power, so to speak. When I see him, it's very shrouded and, like, shadowed. And he does that in a way so that you can put any face on him, and he doesn't have to take responsibility for, like, himself or what he's doing. He's like, I'll just do this under the guise of John's name or whoever else. This man is, like, very smart.

[B]

What does he want? Why is he here?

[E]

Chaos. He wants to feel power and intimidation.

[B]

So he's not an older. The shadow might be actually a newer spirit. Okay.

[E]

That's how it feels to me. Like, he came in as they were doing seances. I think his energy came in when it was called John Stevens Bar.

[B]

I just remembered there were. Outside of y', all there were doing that regularly at the bar.

[E]

Yeah, recklessly. And they wanted it to come in. They wanted it to come in.

[B]

I didn't even think about that previous.

[F]

When we were here and did our investigation. Nobody in Eden said anything to us about this. But when we did the seance there, we found an entire box full of Palo Santo behind the bar.

[B]

And they named it in honor of you, Steven. So I think. But you think maybe that could have.

[A]

Brought his energy this side of the building?

[E]

I feel, yes.

[B]

And then the shadow came through the seance.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Well, I think that's making sense. That's making a lot more sense now.

[E]

What I can't figure out, though, because he keeps walking into that office. There's something about, like, that hallway in the office. And then where. Remember I saw that shadow guy hiding behind the shelf? Those are, like, all connected, and I can't figure out how it's connected, but it had to do with, like, while he was living. I wonder if there was, like, something hidden back there or if there was, like. Like, behind where that shelf is. And so maybe that's part of where the passage was. I'm not sure, but there's like, it's a connection there that brought him through there and into that office. And then that corner where that shadow guy is. It's very. How do I say that? Magnetic. Like it really, as a psychic, it like really draws me into it.

[B]

Yeah. And I. I've done a couple theories because that's where the entire breaker box.

[A]

For the building is.

[B]

And I think it's where it's getting. They can possibly getting energy there a lot. So they might be liking that spot to just kind of charge up.

[E]

Same thing behind this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the first part of this series.

[B]

I only got a chance to briefly.

[A]

Interview someone who knew a little about the history of the former speakeasy before Eden called J. Stevens named after Stevens him. I'll replay that audio here to point out how she mentioned the bar itself did host psychics, events and other things to draw in those interested in the macabre history of J. Stevens death.

[G]

Eden used to be called J. Stevens. And so we built it around, you know, the history of the building and called it a paranormal bar. Used to have like psychics that would come in, like, and it was just a bunch of people, like we were on a ghost tour. People would come in just trying to like have an experience, you know, whether they felt like they were sensitive to, you know, spirits or not. But like, you know, just based all of our cocktails around it kind of talk. It was, you know, a lot of like, here's the history, like, and we had documents from the building, stuff that you could go pull from like the city records, you know. But, you know, our. Under the stair bathroom was the, I guess the original storage closet where this person took their life because they were going to be found out for embezzling money from the company.

[A]

Kate's new theory on the shadow figure somehow coming through possibly a former seance or open communication that may have happened back when the speakeasy was open, really was the first time I'd ever felt my true intuition kicking in on this case surrounding the shadow. And if anything felt probable, this to me finally did. But Kate was picking up more on Stevens at this moment.

[E]

His death feels very fear driven is how it feels to me.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

It doesn't feel.

[B]

You're talking about John.

[E]

Yeah, John.

[B]

So, yeah, with John, I'm going to reveal something to you on a moment, but any more to the death that you can think of outside of there was Lysol.

[E]

Yeah. But it's like this behind him. Like somebody comes up behind him. And then also there's something that I feel here in the side. That's how it feels like a poke. And I thought it was a stick stabbed, but I didn't say it because I'm like, no, it's not stab, but it does feel like that.

[A]

Like a gun.

[E]

Yeah, like, comes up behind him. I feel something in the side. I feel this. And I see him, like, kind of stagger back. I don't think he died here. I think he, like, meandered, like, into a second location and died there.

[A]

No, I'm aware that Jeffrey and her have both said they strongly get that he didn't drink the Lysol himself. They were both around each other when they shared this theory. So there's some chance that this can be influenced by one another. However, this last bit that Kate just mentioned was intriguing because of the documented car accidents that I know about now and the fact in those articles, they describe them bringing Stevens back to this building before rushing him to the hospital where he supposedly died.

[E]

I can't see what's happening out here. I only see that back office and it's very like, boys club. I can't see anything on, like, a public front, if that makes sense. Like what they were displaying to the public. I just see a lot of, like, smoke, like lots of smoke. And then you have to weed through the smoke to, like, see what's happening. And like, as I weed through, I see a conglomeration of, like, people. And they're like, what are we going to do about this? What are the plans about this? And it feels very much like they would come up with a plan and then execute it. Almost like white collar gang y, you know, like they have an agenda. This is how we're going to roll it out. This is what's going to bring us, like, the biggest income. And then it feels like shady dealings that they're not willing to share.

[B]

What I was getting to from her last reading here, it made sense in the sense of, like, okay, the businesses are below. So upstairs could have been more like, especially back upstairs could have been the office areas and you have all the stairwells. So what she was picking up was that they would do their normal business below, but they were coming back here, especially back in the green room. And that's where she saw a lot of those men smoking cigars, doing the deals, having, you know, drinks. Then John Waller was in that group of men.

[E]

Some of the men that they were working with are still names today. And I think that is part of the reason why it's like, shut up. All of these people intentionally got these businesses in the same vicinity so they could, like, meet up. It wasn't like, we're all here, and now we're gonna create this hangout. It's, like, very strategic. They're very strategic.

[A]

I want to reiterate that what all is being expressed here is just theory. We are by no means saying that this is what happened. But what we're trying to do is that when we're dealing with a case that deals with incidents that go so far back into the past, involve curiosities and contradictions like that we found in the documents surrounding Steven's death, the only way to sometimes break through to something is keep working with psychic impressions to see if anything lands and continues to progress the story forward.

[B]

But at this time, Jeffrey had now.

[A]

Rejoined us, and he gave us another brief update involving the shadow and the friendly spirit of Hank.

[C]

Looking at that place where I saw the shadow guy from this side, and it's probably just an optical illusion because it's dark. But it looks like I'm looking into a room up there almost, or like a someone standing on a catwalk. But when you go to the other side, you can see there's not that much space.

[A]

Space.

[C]

It's. It's weird. But that's his little. It's where I remember seeing him the last time when he was laughing and. And making Mocking Christine and all that stuff is right up there, sort of in the very center of the whole place. But he stays up there in that darkness. But I did hear from Hank. He was kind of resting or something, I guess. Long night. I don't know. But he. I almost felt like he had his arm around me. We were walking, and he was telling me that he tries to keep them away. So he's not just here to help run the show. He's kind of like a guardian for the space, and he considers them like he's part of the crew. Right. And so he tries to protect them as much as he can. I did ask if they had heard a loud banging, like someone, like, banging on a door.

[B]

Let me in.

[C]

Let me in. From up above. And she said two days ago, they heard that from the roof, like, coming from the roof. I just get the feeling that there's sort of an ebb and a flow with this creature. It, like, gets stronger, and then it goes not dormant, but less. And then it gets really. And it's been in this really peak thing again lately. So I think that's why the disturbances kind of come and go like that, you know, from little things like names being called to, you know, banging noises and things like that. He's just wanting to. To disturb people. He. I tried and tried to concentrate on why he was here, what he was doing, but he. That's, you know, he turned his back to me and just like, blocked me out.

[A]

It was now time to give Kate and Jeffrey the actual information about the strange news articles that add a layer of mystery to Stephen's death. Up until now, this was the key new information that we had withheld 100%.

[B]

You saw the death certificate, Lysol and Justin. They. Even if you. It's hard to read the doctor's handwritings or the. Whoever writes those things, but they did pump his stomach and Lysol was removed from it. Now the other things are. She found. The day after his death, two articles were in two different newspapers. J. Walter Stevens Jr. Had a car accident on the outskirts of town. A police officer found him dead, dazed in his car, tried to get him out. He was fumbling. So this is where it gets weird. The officer decides to ask a passing.

[A]

Truck to please take Jay Wallers to his workplace.

[B]

He gets here, they immediately realize he has to get to a hospital. Paramedics arrive and they rush him to hospital and he dies immediately. Okay. They pass two hospitals on the way to get him to workplace. Why do you come to workplace if you've one, been in an accident, accident, two, you have Lysol in your system. His home was also less than a mile away.

[F]

And he was where, according to the newspaper articles, where they found him from the accident, it was opposite direction of where his house was. So if that is so if that is true, he wasn't going home. And where they put him as having the accident was also. We pulled up the original Sanborn maps of the city. It was literally the edge of town at that point. So it. If that is true, he basically was leaving town.

[B]

And in my mind, there's several ways you could look at this. The accident never really happened. And that's just fabricated to cover up that something happened here. And they used the accident as a way in newspapers to say, look, we.

[A]

Brought him back to this place and.

[B]

Then paramedics pulled him out of here and the accident's the reason he died. Or something did happen and he was in the accident. But why did. Did they bring him back here?

[C]

I don't think it was suicide. I think he was killed because he. He wasn't Just doing shady business. He knew about something else. The whole you know, classic 1920s vibe. I don't think it was bootlegging. Like it was something else but. And why could it have been a cover up? Maybe the accident was fake. Maybe that's where they pulled him over and poured the stuff down him and it took him a while to kill. I don't know. All I know is that somebody held his head back to hold his mouth open and poured that stuff down his throat. I could. And some, maybe even two people.

[E]

I feel like he was standing in a mirror. I keep seeing him standing in a mirror and then he like looks up and then boom. Here they are. And then I feel the staggering back. I very strongly do not think he was at a hospital when he died. That feels so flat to me just hearing that. I do think he was like moved from location to location. Cuz that's what I got to was like there's a second location. Something that I that is bothering me. I keep finding myself asking like who did you work for? Who did you work for?

[F]

That's the question.

[E]

Cuz that is like who hired that hit and somebody who he worked for. And there she is grabbing my arm again. Like pull back. Don't say that. H like a Henry or like an H. H.

[A]

Oddly enough, as you heard Nicole allude to this name earlier as Paul during her seance years ago. This Paul character allegedly seemed to be involved in the shady dealings that Stevens might have been a part of. And his last name actually started with an H. However, following my call with Nicole I did everything I could to find that name in all the avenues.

[B]

Of research I used to.

[A]

And it was like this person didn't exist. So at that point there was absolutely no way possible with the Paul H name to go any further.

[C]

And if they sent the police. I don't think it. I think it was the police were involved.

[E]

I agree.

[C]

So it probably was some sort of corrupt local government kind of thing.

[E]

He feels so frantic. Like he's trying to find like this missing piece to like save his. His ass or save him is how it. And that's why I like. I think part of his energy is intelligent but I also think part of it is like stuck in that franticness of like trying to. I don't know what it is but it's like feels so frantic to me.

[B]

And then from this. Because we don't want to leave them with anything. Is there anything we can do?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

That makes sense for his spirit at all. In yalls opinion. I'M gonna talk to Alexis, too. I know he's gonna help me alone. Do what?

[E]

I heard him. Leave me alone. Just leave me alone.

[B]

Does he want any part of the.

[E]

Story out that he doesn't care? It's the woman who is like, no, but I think it's important to tell the story because it's.

[B]

Well, I mean, everyone believes he killed himself, so I don't know if that's something he still wants.

[E]

He did not kill himself.

[B]

So that is the confirmed, like, history. He killed himself in the death record. But then there's the car accident. The articles say the car accident.

[E]

I just heard him laugh. That's such. That's such a. What word did you just use? Like, a monstrosity to be. To say that? Like, it's like, no, no.

[B]

What is he. What does he want to say? Like, what does he want them to know? I know you all described what y' all saw, but can y' all maybe translate from him, like, what is he trying to say? Just, if. If we were to walk away with.

[A]

Anything, what does he want us to know?

[C]

One of the main things I got the first time he told me the story was that I did not drink. That he did not drink Lysol. It was Lysol. He didn't do it himself. He was murdered. He was. He did not commit suicide.

[E]

Yeah. Keep in mind, I didn't do it.

[C]

He doesn't. He was scared. Nervous, scared. Not like, you know, but he didn't. He didn't kill himself.

[F]

I just keep hearing over and over, he wants his truth told.

[E]

Also, I think there's something in writing that they're hiding, and it's, like, cursive. I know he was a bookkeeper. I know he was embezzling. But it's almost like this is the proof, and it feels hidden. And I keep seeing, like, a ledger, and I see the pen, and it's almost like, don't let them find it. Is what I'm seeing. I don't know if that comes from him or from her.

[A]

Okay, now that I had a moment with Christina and Kate, I remembered the incident Christina had in the. The bathroom, and I wanted to see if that had anything to do with Kate picking up on this stern, older female presence earlier.

[B]

I don't remember if it connects.

[A]

Don't force it to connect.

[B]

Okay, Kate.

[A]

But I think.

[B]

I think with what you were getting earlier about a woman. She just came to me randomly, right when we opened the door. She went to the bathroom, and she came back. She told me, and I Recorded it. Share what you got.

[G]

So I usually can't tell the gender or anything. I just, like, feel presence. And I went in there and I was just like. I went to just, like, blow my nose and so I was. I went to go grab the toilet paper and I could. I could feel someone, like, trying to, like, kind of scare me, but, like, not in a scary way, just in a, ooh, you're in trouble. Like, kind of like teasy way. So then when I, like, popped back up, like, I just felt that, like, she wasn't above me anymore. She was like, maybe like around the corner. And she was just kind of like, giving me this weird sense of like, like teasing me. Oh, you're in trouble. You know what I mean? Like, that's how it kind of felt.

[B]

Might be a little different because I was getting. I couldn't remember what you told me, but you were getting that.

[A]

What's the woman, the older woman telling you here?

[E]

The older woman who is coming through. That woman feels younger than my woman.

[B]

Okay, different.

[E]

Yeah. The woman who was coming through is older, feels related to John, and she's like, don't say anything. Shut up. Shut up. They can't know. And it's very much like, very strict, holding the secrets back like that. The woman that you felt in the bathroom feels young and it feels like she knows exactly what's going on, but she's being silenced. She's the one who, like, sits on that couch. She's the one who came up beside me for the spirit box.

[C]

She's the one who. Who kept talking and they kept cutting.

[B]

Her off in the Estes methods.

[E]

And I think if we could pull her out, we could get information from her, but she's being held back and silenced. Things that would be great for her, like mirrors, roses, cigarette smoke, things like that.

[G]

That's all in the green room.

[E]

Yeah, she likes it in there when she's not being cushed. And there's lots of hush money out there.

[B]

There.

[E]

I just saw people, like, handing out so much hush money to all these people. There's so many people that know people who are still living today. I feel so strongly about that. And that's why it's like, not coming out. Yeah, like, sh. Sh.

[A]

At this point, also, no one but Kate, Nicole and myself were around for the new developed theory about the shadow person possibly coming via the seances or paranormal experiences of the bar themed after J. Stevens.

[B]

Kate picked this up and I thought, holy, I didn't pick this up. The shadow she's getting is not now, like super old. Like, it's like. Came more recently and she asked me about that speakeasy because she says that speakeasy is not old. Right. It's just like they built it. And I was like, yeah, they literally just did it. It used to be open floor plan, I think, like a balcony and the downstairs restaurant. And then I remembered when they did the speakeasy down there, they named it after J. Stevens.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

So they. They opened that speakeasy originally to be.

[A]

A haunted speakeasy named after him.

[B]

And I forgot they used to do seances in there. Right. As like a regular thing is what I heard.

[G]

I don't know about that, but I know that they did.

[B]

They did, but I think I've heard that they did it before them. Like it was like a regular thing that they would do. And Kate was getting that it was summoned. So what came came through all that process?

[A]

The dark, the shadow.

[C]

He doesn't like that.

[B]

What he's.

[C]

He's like hanging onto the rail and shaking it right now. You just made him mad.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You said made him angry.

[B]

So we're thinking we're getting closer to what. What it might be. I don't think. I think. And then Kate was really good about it. She was saying, like, I think he jumped onto the Jerry Waller thing and realized I can kind of ride along in and be like, they're gonna think I'm him, but I'll still start to work my thing and build up my energies and get stronger. Yeah. So under the guise of, I'm J. Waller, I'm the guy who killed himself. I'm the one they named this bar after. But I'm not. I'm not even human, possibly.

[C]

And every time you mention. Or Kate was mentioning the COVID up and the red herring thing.

[B]

HE LAUGHS so we might be getting close to the shadow.

[C]

Everything you're saying seems to make sense because he's. He's definitely connected with, you know, the jump scares and all that kind of the noise and stuff. But the. The red herring kind of stuff like that. He's in it, but he wasn't part of it originally. He's just like you said, hijacked.

[B]

Hijacked.

[C]

He hijacked his way into it and.

[B]

It was part of that opening, opening the doors. With seances like that, you know, they know how to do it safely. So I don't think it would have been them that let it in because they're aware of, like, opening, closing. But when you have like a bar that might be themed and they're just doing like fun seance y things. It could have been not handled the right way and it could have left it open for this thing to be like, I can come in now.

[C]

Someone's capitalizing on that kind of a thing that attracts negative entities as well.

[A]

It was now time to take this final investigation into the realm of advanced experimentation of spirit communication via our awesome new guest investigators today, Nicole and Damian. We all agreed we needed to set up in the green room near the back office and see what might come of an advanced EVP session that Damian was going to set up for our group to partake in. When we get back from this short break, we're going to dive into one of the coolest EVP and estus sessions I've ever been a part of, and we'll be led on a physical hunt for something in the building that the spirits are trying to lead us to. So stay tuned. I'd like to welcome our newest sponsor to the Night Owl Podcast, Lumen. Lumen is best described as the world's first handheld metabolic coach, and the device measures your body's metabolism through your breath. Now, you may be like me when I first heard of Lumen and wonder, why do I need to measure my metabolism in the first place? 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[D]

My name is Damien with Real Ghost of Parapil your podcast and I've got my setup here that I brought. Basically I've got a Podtrak P4 that I'm going to use as my audio sort of source that's going to be plugged into this Honeytone mini amp. So that'll be our speaker. But I've also got two radios. One is a basic analog shortwave radio that I will have tuned to nothing and then the other One is an SB7 spirit box. This is something that will scan the AM frequency very quickly. I also have this iPad here which is going to have the EchoVox app going. What this does, it takes speech patterns, not actual words or anything and it just jarbles it up. That's nonsense, right? We want to Put this with our white noise to see if anything else will come through. Now, down here is my pride and joy. These two things are detuned radios, circuits. So basically there is no frequency. They're set to anything that's just in the environments going to come through. They both have touch plates, so if you put your fingers on them, you're going to act like an antenna and more will come through or not come through. So sometimes I like to experiment with that. Then, of course, here I've got a Rotovay diode. This is one of the things that was used by, well, Dr. Rotovay when he was the first. One of the first people to really pioneer this kind of EVP stuff. So this is essentially a crystal radio set that won't be tuned to anything. And I have some ability to. To manipulate it there just for that white noise to come through. All of that's running into the honeytone amp. So when I turn that on, you'll hear that. And then, of course, I've got my digital recorder. I had a tape recorder, but during our little session that we were doing, it just decided to fry out. And I think it's broken. I think the tape player is broken. So, like, it's wild because when I went back to listen to what I recorded and see it's not even rewinding.

[B]

It's just. Yeah.

[D]

And I don't know why that happens, but sometimes our electronics will just get fried.

[B]

So how do we. What's going to happen in the session and how should we do it?

[A]

Like, who's.

[B]

Is anybody under during this type of stuff? Or you can.

[D]

But with this, we're doing what you would call a basic EVP session. And basic EVP session using the principle of potentially stochastic resonance to give us white noise that we want to use. Okay. Sometimes people will use a radio. Sometimes they'll just have their spirit box going. And we're going to just talk out loud and see if, when we come back to the recordings, if we have anything that's imprinted on the recording devices. From there, I like to evolve into going into something like an essence, because it's two different sort of sessions. One is going to be tap, tapping into a person's subconscious. The other, this setup is hoping to capture anything that's just sort of here in the environment that can communicate with us.

[A]

Damien felt that the three people present with stronger psychic abilities. This was Kate, Nicole and Meg, actually were best to do the questioning and the communication during this session.

[D]

If we all three of them like one there, one there, one there. You could be sitting here recording. I'm just gonna sit here listening in headphones, let them talk.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

To the environment.

[B]

Right.

[D]

Because they're going to be probably infinitely more capable of getting something to come through than you or I.

[B]

Probably, yeah.

[D]

So I'm just here to look at the tech and then see if when they listen back, there's something they pick up. But all three of them together, I think, would be optimal.

[B]

I might have to stand a little bit closer to them so I can get their audio. But this is pretty. This will be out kind of loud. I'll hear it on the mic. You think?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

Listeners, with these sessions, it is very difficult to try to capture all audio coming from all participants and all these devices. So I would highly recommend that you use a good pair of headphones, have the volume up, and pay very close attention. Here's our first advanced EVP session in the green room.

[B]

Recording now as well. So just hit record.

[D]

We're going to be doing an EVP session. We've got the indie set up here, and we've got a room full of mediums to ask questions. So we're gonna do that.

[F]

We're here trying to communicate with John Waller Stevens Jr. If you're here with us, can you do something, say something, make a noise, touch someone to let us.

[D]

Where on your leg? Okay, that's been happening back here. So were you the same person touching her leg that was touching mine back here?

[B]

No. No. Who was it?

[F]

That's me. And it was in a woman's voice.

[B]

Oh. So the man said no, and the woman said, that was me. Okay, so we've got two spirits, possibly.

[D]

You'Re able to connect.

[B]

Do you like her killed? Is that what you heard? Who was that?

[F]

Nothing.

[C]

Heard another click.

[E]

Can I ask a question?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, please.

[E]

How did you get here?

[D]

I heard that, too.

[E]

Is John Waller Junior's grandma here?

[F]

Yes, that's me.

[E]

Okay, thank you. Is. Can you just tell us your name?

[F]

I can tell. It's saying things that I can't make out words.

[B]

Oh, it was weird. Yeah, it was on here. Okay.

[E]

We're just having trouble hearing you. Can you speak a little bit louder?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Is there a male presence with us here? Now.

[F]

See, you hear the female.

[B]

She feels like she got kicked. You got kicked?

[E]

Yeah, right around that time, I saw.

[H]

Somebody walk from there across that path.

[D]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Christina just felt being kicked. Just putting it on the thing here. And Alexis saw a male walk back.

[A]

Behind the stage through the green room door.

[B]

Walking in, but only in the mirror.

[F]

You couldn't see it through there.

[E]

Who picked Christina?

[B]

John, you can come in and tell us your story now. We're not going to let anything else interfere with it.

[F]

I don't want that. A woman's voice.

[B]

Did y' all hear that?

[F]

There's a lot coming.

[B]

I heard. I heard. I did hear that calling Stephen. A male voice.

[F]

Stephen.

[B]

I did hear his name, right?

[A]

You did.

[B]

Can you say his name one more time for us? Say it clear.

[F]

No, Steven.

[B]

I heard that. The female though, right?

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

So y' all talking about me or John Waller Stevens Jr.

[D]

I swear to. I heard Steven Jr. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I heard Junior playing tricks last night. I heard something. Try to say it clear.

[F]

I feel like we should do an estus now. There's something wanting to come through and it just is feeling like something is not letting them talk.

[A]

We're gonna end this session and start an estate session.

[B]

So if you have anything else you'd like to say, now's the time to do it.

[D]

I'll give you 10 seconds.

[A]

I left this session pretty intact for all of you, and I didn't cut it tightly like I have others. It was hard to hear, so I couldn't say for certain that all the responses were clear or accurate. But there were jointly heard words, names and phrases that were interesting. But what you obviously couldn't see was how the room was reacting to various touches, sightings, and Christina actually feeling like someone kicked her in the back while she was sitting on the floor.

[F]

We'll notice as soon as we started the session, that's when. Saw something here, saw something there. Everybody's getting touched.

[B]

It's like a. Are you okay, Christina? Was it like a very serious kick or.

[G]

No, it was just like a. Like a.

[B]

Like a bump.

[D]

Someone look though at her. Can you look and see if it's red there? Can you just do that? Question to ask. I'm so sorry.

[G]

Right here?

[B]

Yeah. Is it red? No red.

[F]

There was no scratch in the.

[B]

No red and you're okay.

[A]

It was now time to dive into a more advanced Estes method session that Damian was eager to have. He wanted Meg and Nicole back to back sitting on the floor as the mediums. They would be blindfolded and have the filtered AM stations playing loudly through their separate noise canceling headphones. This session, I'm going to tell you up front, listeners, was intense and mind blowing.

[B]

And I know it's going to be.

[A]

So hard to fully comprehend everything that's happening with just Audio. But I implore you, in this section, try your hardest to pay close attention and do your absolute best to decipher between the many voices. I apologize in advance because so many of us were having to run around and follow things that were happening. There were knocks on the office doors. Lights began to flash in various places. Nicole and Meg, not being able to see or hear any of this, were not only mimicking things that we were saying, but they were leading us to this activity, actually physically pointing. So let's dive into this wildesty session together. Meg and Nicole are seated in front of the green room coffee table. Nicole is facing the wall that has the back office door on it. Meg is facing the opposite direction toward the wall at the back of stage. Okay, we're under with Meg and Nicole.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, perfect.

[D]

Who are we connected with?

[F]

I'm in the back.

[D]

You're in the back? What do you mean in the back?

[F]

Help us.

[D]

Are you in that back room?

[B]

That way, yes.

[F]

You got it.

[B]

Perfect.

[D]

Is that where we should be going?

[F]

Get out.

[D]

I will get up and walk out, but I'm still asking questions, if that's okay.

[E]

Did you hear that lady?

[D]

Did you say something?

[B]

Look, I got out. You happy with that?

[F]

It was a lady's, like, distressed voice.

[B]

Yeah, they're both hearing it.

[D]

Can you tell me who I'm talking to?

[F]

I can't.

[D]

You can't tell me?

[B]

Why can't you tell me?

[F]

That's too high. You're gonna have to come down.

[D]

Can you tell me who I'm talking?

[B]

A little.

[F]

A little more.

[G]

That's close.

[F]

Can you. Can you say something? That was weird. It was like an emergency siren or something.

[D]

Can you come through and tell one of them who we were talking?

[F]

Okay, that was weird. I don't know if you're using a device over here, but it sounded like there was some sort of, like, I don't know, jumbled thing coming from this way outside of the headphones. Female scream.

[A]

We've heard screams here.

[F]

What do you want?

[D]

What do I what? We just want to communicate with you is all we want to understand.

[F]

Well, look.

[D]

Look where?

[F]

Left.

[D]

What about it?

[F]

Female voice. Couldn't understand. Ew.

[D]

I'm looking left.

[F]

That was weird. It was like. Like one voice saying something, but it was, like, layered. It was like three voices on top of one. Like, I don't know, like multiple people trying to. Like so many voices I can't even decipher.

[D]

Just keep tapping. Try to focus on one. What is it about looking left that you wanted me to look at.

[F]

No, look up. There's two competing female voices and one male voice, and they're all competing at the same time.

[D]

Do you mean the room that. That used to be a room? Okay, so that's where we saw the shadow earlier. Is that right?

[F]

Is that out there?

[D]

Out there? Yeah. So it was out there and there.

[F]

So close.

[D]

Not there. Not.

[E]

Come down just a little bit.

[F]

Look up.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Right there where she's pointing. Where she's pointing.

[B]

Is it really. It just started again.

[F]

I can hear you.

[E]

I can hear you.

[F]

Sound like you're on a phone.

[A]

Are you making the lights focus?

[D]

Are you making the lights flicker?

[B]

Who's making. Who's making.

[A]

She said look up and left.

[B]

Yep, yep.

[F]

Go up.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

I'm gonna go in this room here.

[B]

I'll keep asking questions, too. Who's.

[A]

Who's making the lights flicker? Damien.

[F]

Leaving.

[B]

Leaving room. What's. Damian.

[F]

Go up.

[B]

Go. Go up.

[F]

Stand up.

[B]

Stand up.

[A]

Damian is the. In the next room of the green room, standing below the lights.

[F]

Lights.

[B]

Damen. Oh, I heard that light back there flickering in the hallway.

[F]

A woman scream. Yes. Keep. Can you do that again?

[B]

I just heard it. Damian, we're knocking on the floor. Clear as day. Was that what that was? Yes.

[D]

Right in there.

[B]

Yes.

[H]

Sound like somebody was in there.

[D]

Okay, I'm going to go look at that. You want me to go in that.

[B]

Room where you're just knocking?

[F]

I knocked.

[B]

Okay, good. I'm going to come greet you.

[F]

Go in.

[B]

Go in.

[F]

That's me.

[B]

That's me.

[F]

O. There was a really deep, like, menacing male voice that said, stop.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Dark male voice saying, stop.

[F]

A woman's voice said, no. Go.

[B]

Go. Sing. Go.

[D]

Go.

[B]

Go in or out?

[F]

Woman's voice.

[B]

Nicole. What's the matter? Nicole's covering her face.

[E]

Look, look.

[D]

Where do you want me to look?

[F]

Keep going.

[B]

Keep going.

[F]

It's not supposed to be there.

[B]

It's not supposed to be.

[F]

Keep going.

[B]

Office.

[F]

That's it in the wall, neighbor. It's in the wall here.

[E]

Okay, keep looking.

[F]

Hey, that's it. That's it.

[B]

That's it. Where is he at?

[F]

The woman's voice is back again, saying, yes. Keep going. There it is.

[B]

We got onto something. Go that way. It's there.

[F]

Over there. It's there.

[E]

Yeah, it's right here.

[B]

It's the.

[F]

It's there.

[A]

It's there.

[E]

There's the shelf right here. There's something.

[F]

Yes. Keep looking.

[A]

Is there paperwork? Is there paperwork hidden in the walls?

[B]

Yes, that's it.

[F]

That's it. It's Right there.

[B]

So there's.

[F]

Open it.

[B]

Open it.

[F]

Yes.

[E]

It's there.

[F]

Yep. Oh, I have chills. What are y' all doing?

[B]

Okay, we're getting to something straight ahead. They've let them into here, and they're giving them clear directions. Something's hidden in the wall.

[F]

Yep.

[B]

Where do they need to look?

[E]

Did you hear that whistle up above?

[B]

Yeah, she did. Meg did.

[F]

They're like, calling Stone.

[A]

The door was knocking on here.

[B]

We heard the knocking below it. The thing I've been asking and they've been confirming is there's something hidden in that space that we need to find. See, they keep saying, saying where. That's why.

[D]

Did you just.

[B]

There. No, they were doing that 100%. They've been mimicking everything I said.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Yeah. Let's focus. Let's focus.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

So this is.

[F]

Yes. Is up on the back.

[E]

It's over there.

[A]

So there's something in here that is hidden.

[B]

And that's what I kept saying.

[A]

And there was.

[B]

See that? She keeps responding to that.

[A]

It's 100% in there.

[F]

I'm in there. Behind.

[A]

The wall.

[F]

Not there.

[D]

Is it the one I was pointing at?

[F]

The one.

[D]

The one. The one.

[B]

Am I pointing in the direction right now?

[F]

Up and through.

[B]

Up and through.

[F]

I hear that on. The walls are not there. He's there. I just heard in a lady's voice.

[B]

See, she's seen the same thing. There. There's something in here that is tied to the answer.

[A]

This wall comes out.

[B]

And that's what I kept point at.

[A]

She said, what? What do we need to find?

[B]

What's there?

[F]

Papers.

[E]

I don't think it's.

[F]

Oh, I heard a new lady. It's on the. It's on the.

[E]

What's that word?

[B]

I think. I think J. Wallers has the proof of what he found, and I think he hid it. And it's. Think it's here. And that's why you kept seeing him in there.

[F]

It's hidden. The walls.

[B]

He's going to touch the walls. You tell him when it's the right wall. Am I? Am I?

[F]

It's where the walls. I just heard, like an elevator. Not supposed to be there.

[B]

The wall's not supposed to be there. Damian's touching the walls.

[A]

Tell him when he's found the spot.

[B]

Yeah. Keep touching.

[F]

Keep touch.

[B]

Shift.

[F]

It's there. Shift. Shift.

[B]

Shift.

[A]

Open the door so you can hear.

[F]

Look up. Leave. That was a really clear, different female voice. Get off. That was the same female, super clear voice. Go back in there. Different voice.

[A]

Oh, lady.

[F]

Just said, come over here. Here.

[B]

Left or right? Left or right?

[F]

I heard a deep male's creepy voice say, no, same one again.

[B]

Remember that happened when he went in there the first time? There's a deep male that keeps getting upset when he goes in there now. Guide him. Where? What are we looking for? Papers.

[F]

Keep going.

[B]

Keep going.

[F]

Go through.

[B]

Go through.

[E]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

So there was a.

[B]

There was a throughway there, I think.

[H]

But it's not anymore.

[B]

No.

[E]

Are the papers still.

[F]

It's clear.

[E]

Did somebody move them?

[F]

Yes, it's me.

[E]

Where did you hear them?

[F]

Okay, where can we find them to go through?

[E]

What if we can't get through there? Is there another way?

[F]

The other side.

[B]

The other side.

[F]

It's in between.

[B]

It's in between. Can we go to the upstairs?

[F]

Down here?

[E]

What's the name of the place to go through?

[B]

Is there anything else you can tell us to help us get this information that we need to get?

[F]

Just look.

[B]

Just look. Okay, we'll look. Can you give us any more direction of where we can look?

[F]

Point. Okay, I'm just gonna point where I'm, like, feeling. I can, like, see if there's a. Like, a place on the wall. Like, I wish I could walk over there, but I'll probably run into something.

[B]

Who with? Meg. Who is.

[A]

Who's communicating with Meg?

[B]

Who? What's with you?

[F]

I am. The lady's voice said, I am.

[B]

I said, point. She pointed that way.

[F]

Behind it. Behind it, right there.

[B]

Whose name on the papers? What? What do the papers say?

[F]

Sex.

[B]

Is this a book of clients?

[F]

Yes. That was so. It was like a crowd of people all saying yes.

[B]

So this is. Is this.

[A]

Is this sex work?

[B]

Are you.

[F]

Oh, that was a different voice. Angry, said, what the.

[D]

Do you want us to look in.

[F]

That hole in the wall right there?

[B]

Right there.

[F]

Oh, there was a scary man's voice that, like, sounds. Don't do it. I keep dismissing that. I'm seeing, like, a cardboard box on a shelf, and the flaps of the box are open. I don't know what that is, but it's keeping somebody somewhere. It's keeping somebody from being able to go home.

[B]

Something keeping them from you.

[D]

Whenever we go home.

[F]

Do you want to leave?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Yes.

[E]

Can I help you?

[F]

In the wall in there, there's a hole.

[B]

Dude, from.

[D]

What is he getting with a flash.

[F]

Go look.

[B]

Let's go. Yeah.

[D]

We're going to end this session.

[B]

Is there anything else you'd like to say?

[D]

You're going to get 10 more seconds from us.

[F]

Go look. Keep digging.

[D]

About to do it. Thank you so much.

[B]

We appreciate it.

[E]

Thank you.

[F]

It's in the papers.

[B]

Papers.

[F]

That one box.

[B]

He's looking for box stopping session now.

[F]

Somebody went, aw, go look.

[B]

Okay, we're gonna go look. Okay. All right. Okay. You can take it off.

[A]

I know that must be incredibly hard to decipher with all that went down, but some key things to know. The room that Nicole led Damien to, where something was hidden, where she kept mentioning the walls aren't supposed to be there, where the papers were hidden, and where Nicole physically began actually pointing blindfolded toward, was the back office. Now, I recall earlier on, in this case, Kate saw the businessman who we now feel is J. Waller Stevens Jr. Was in there quickly ruffling through papers. Some other key things to note here is how much mimicking of exact words and phrases that Nicole was doing, as well as her and Meg directly answering things we were asking. I've never had an Estes session like this, ever. The other wild things I was noticing were how Nicole and Meg would say similar things. Sometimes exactly the same things, sometimes together, but sometimes further apart from each other. This description of a box with papers sitting on a shelf, but not a shelf, possibly hidden behind the Sheetrocked wall of this office was a common theme with both of them. I was shocked that both of them actually said the word box but separate from each other. Post session, with blindfolds off, Nicole tried to show us where she was being led to in the office. Sadly, there were no ways of seeing inside the walls. The only way would be to break through one of them. However, Christina spoke up just then and told me that she actually had a way I could go up above this office and possibly see down in between the walls and the exterior brick. There was another attic on this side of the building that wasn't used frequently. The entrance to this attic was in the green room near the backstage area. I'm never thrilled to go crawling around in attics, especially ones in buildings dating back to 1873 and with some supposed darker energies here, trying to keep secrets hidden.

[B]

But it was the only chance we had.

[A]

So the ladder was lowered, and I ventured up.

[B]

Okay, we're making our way up to the attic above the office. Oh, wow. The attic was small in many places. There were some areas where I could.

[A]

Almost stand up, but most of the time I had to crouch. I knew I had to find the.

[B]

Area that I believe to be the.

[A]

Area above the office. So I made my way that way.

[B]

I think that's where the office is right?

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

This is where I'm drawn to.

[F]

Oh, yeah. Can you see down?

[B]

Yeah, I'm looking.

[E]

But it doesn't feel here.

[B]

Oh.

[F]

What?

[B]

There's a box.

[A]

I couldn't believe it. There was was a dusty cardboard box resting on a bricked up windowsill ledge. Between the sheetrock of the office wall and the exterior brick wall of the.

[B]

Building, there's a box. A very old box.

[F]

Get it.

[B]

I can't. It's way too far. You'd have to break through the wall. Yeah.

[F]

Go look some weird yogi.

[E]

Get in there.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Here, look, don't drop my phone though, okay? I'll use mine.

[A]

I gave Meg my phone so she could use it as a flashlight. I wanted her to get a picture of it. But also she was the first one who was announcing during the SD session that she was seeing an old cardboard box sitting on a shelf, but that it really wasn't a shelf. Then later, Nicole mentioned a box and then brick. Meg made it over to me, leaned over and looked down into the dark space between the walls leading down into the office. You can hear her reaction when she finally sees the box.

[B]

Look all the way down there. You see that box? Oh.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[E]

Did I say out loud that it's.

[F]

On its shelf but it's not on a shelf?

[E]

I was like, it's sitting, but it's not a shelf.

[B]

Out loud. Yeah, she said it out loud.

[F]

I know. I kept saying brick.

[E]

It's sitting on a brick.

[F]

Like a.

[E]

What looks like an old windowsill or a ledge down there.

[B]

Ankles. No, it's. It's. It's. It's far down there.

[F]

It's really far.

[E]

Like, it's probably seven feet down.

[B]

Give. Give Christina this information. The end of the wall for the apartment is right here. And the water heater or whatever this is, it's directly on the other side of that wall. Over here? Yeah, you're going to. It was hard to tell from where.

[A]

I was in the attic, but what I knew of the building and where I'd been. It looked to me that I could see the water system or water heater that I'd seen before in the hidden apartment area in Sunset Strip, which you heard me visit in earlier episodes. This space was directly to the right of where the box was sitting below. But it didn't look like it could be reached even through the small opening that I could see to the boxes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That was the apartment closet. But I rushed down because I needed to see if I could see this box through that small opening in the wall.

[B]

We're in the apartment now, which is interesting how. Apartment. It has a lot of stories, too. That's the box right there. Where?

[A]

That's it.

[E]

Did you get it?

[B]

I think that's it. Is that it? Oh, I see it.

[F]

No way.

[B]

Make it.

[D]

That's a. That's going to be a hard one to get, my man. Or it's hidden behind there.

[A]

So can you see the box?

[B]

See if you can see Damen's hand through the crack.

[F]

Oh, shoot. Yeah, we would have to break through that. Like plywood.

[B]

Yeah, you'd have to get it through here. Here. Or breaking through the Sheetrock of.

[F]

If somebody has a small enough arm to get in there, we can just open the box and take what's inside of it.

[B]

Oh, he's got it.

[F]

Give me that one. Oh, you.

[B]

Oh, sorry. Let me record what he's doing real quick.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

Does it flip? Can you tip it? Flip it.

[A]

That's some metal parts.

[F]

Now, will it sit up on its side?

[E]

Maybe.

[B]

Is there papers or is it just metal parts?

[D]

Well, if I could get in the box, because it's deep enough to where it could be under the metal things.

[F]

If you open the flap, I can see to the bottom of the box.

[D]

You can?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

It doesn't look like there's papers.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

It'S full of parts.

[B]

Oh, it is?

[D]

Yeah. It seems to be.

[F]

They're like metal pipe fittings.

[D]

They're like metal pipe fittings.

[B]

So it's just when they were rebuilding.

[F]

Between all the walls and stuff to see if there are any papers, and I don't see.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To our disappointment, based on what Damien was able to lift out and feel, and by opening the flap of the box enough for Meg to shine a light from up in the attic down into. She did not see anything that resembled papers, just metal pipe fittings and parts. We also couldn't pull anything through the tight space. This was a blow, as we'd really thought we'd discovered a breakthrough here. Nonetheless, we were all blown away by the Estes sessions. Accurate guidance to this exact space behind the wall of the office, the description of a cardboard box, and the windowsill and brick. It hurt not to get any more answers, but at this point, we felt we'd done all we could at finding what the voices were guiding us to in this office space and walls.

[B]

I went back up to the attic.

[A]

And did a full sweep and looked down every crack in the walls leading down to the office, and there was, sadly, nothing else. But despite all This I still knew. We had to regroup and determine what was left for us to do regarding this shadow figure.

[B]

We all gathered back at the front.

[A]

Of house and I opened up the conversation.

[B]

So with the shadow figure, if it's not J. Waller Stevens, which I think we're all in agreement, it doesn't feel like that. Kate, you agree? Jeffrey agrees it hits a ride somewhere along the timeline. But you were picking up, and Jeffrey was picking up, that it didn't feel like it was here ages ago. Like, long time ago.

[E]

It was not here while he was living.

[B]

So the thing about the Speak Easy below that makes sense is that they named it. They opened it originally. I think they closed it in. That was the first time they did it. Right, Right. That's the first speakeasy that opened there was named J. Stevens. And they had all these documents about his suicide, his death, the accidents. They put all that purposely in the speakeasy for people to see. So they advertised his suicide, his death. That's how they market it, and they marketed it. And I heard through the stories that they. Aside from Nicole. Nicole Sands, that you did a while back, which was why I got to know you from, like, know. To get you involved in this case, they said that the speakeasy itself was having regular seances to attract and to pull in people to have fun. So I think with what Kate said, it hits to ride. And that's why you kept saying the shadow figure feels connected to J. Stevens. You kept saying that over and over and over. It's connected in the sense that it was like, I'm going to pretend I'm this guy who everybody's mistakenly to be here. But J. Walter Stevens was here because his energy is tied here because of his death. But he was probably trying to defend his truth.

[E]

I don't think it's like, part of his shadow, which can happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

But it feels like he, like, pretended to be him and then got his own power, his own footing. I didn't even feel John in voodoo. And I think it's because when this was open, it, like, magnetized and, like, carried his energy. Over here is how it feels. Somebody had, like, a fetish or, like, some sort of, like, obsession with this, which really amplified the power that's, like, behind the shadow energy. And every time I say something about it that, like, seems to be on track. Some woman is, like, behind on my arm, grabbing my arm. Arm.

[B]

That's the older grandmother type. She's short, figured.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

So my thing is, I'm thinking, I think we Got enough just to just allow me on the show to at least say there's these possible theories that kind of would allow audiences to take away what they want to take away from the truth. We never know. We'll never know the full truth. But I do agree because I want Christina to get some help with whatever is causing them issues. Yeah, we've solved the j. While are in our own minds. We have our own feelings. But it doesn't help Sunset Strip and the staff here to be like, okay, thanks, guys, for. For clearing that up. But we still have a shadow here who's not very friendly and seems to be getting stronger and wants to with us. So I say we try to use this session to be like, what can we do to get more clarity on that? And then Alexis can then decide what maybe the next texts are for, like spiritual cleansing slash warfare if we need it. But I don't think we need need that for this.

[D]

It doesn't feel that strong.

[A]

The last few things we felt we needed to do was hold an Estes session with Christina as the person under it. She had a friend with her also who wanted to partake. I want to share something that I'll only mention briefly because it was something that just began to surface toward the end of this day. Christina apparently had a very personal haunting, which may have been an attachment that haunted her for years back when she lived in California. She never brought this up until the very end here. And so we weren't yet sure if this shadow had some tie to this or not. This final session, we were going to try to push on this and the theory about the shadow being tied to possible seances that happened years ago in the old speakeasy. So here's Christina and her friend under our final estus session.

[B]

We're here to get to the bottom of a specific energy spirit, Someone that is a little bit more mischievous, secretive, dark shadow.

[F]

Stop.

[B]

We're not gonna stop. We're gonna keep pushing and get answers for who you are. And if you don't give us answers, who are you?

[A]

I'm Stephen.

[B]

And we have the power to actually.

[A]

Get rid of you.

[B]

So if you don't speak to us, you what?

[A]

You're going to be gone.

[B]

I'm demanding that you speak to us now and tell us who you are. Have you been with Christina many years?

[G]

Scream. A lady screaming.

[D]

Yeah, we've heard that all day.

[B]

That's. That's just you trying to distract.

[F]

I feel like.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

What do you feel like? Hi.

[B]

Hello there. You ready to talk? No, why not?

[D]

Do you like her energy?

[F]

Please.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Do you like her energy?

[B]

You have a chance to speak. And we. If we learn about who you are and if your intentions aren't bad, you can stay. But at the moment, everything that's pointing to your behavior and your actions says that you aren't going to be able to stay if you don't share what you really are.

[F]

It's time clock.

[B]

Yeah. It is time to be in touch again.

[D]

Are you touching her again?

[G]

I feel like a lot of pressure.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alexis. Where's Alexis at?

[F]

Claire, we can.

[B]

Yeah, you. You can. But Luke. What? Luke. Luke, wait.

[A]

Was it both people said that?

[F]

Dance.

[B]

She said it twice. Okay. I couldn't tell.

[F]

He's. Were you created a lady saying.

[D]

No, you weren't created.

[F]

Beautiful.

[A]

Where.

[B]

Where are you originally from?

[F]

Seis.

[B]

There it is.

[G]

What is it with the number either says or says.

[D]

What is a name that we can.

[F]

Refer to you by Cameraman. All right. Cameraman.

[B]

Yeah. Cameraman. Is that who we call you?

[G]

You bitch?

[B]

Yep.

[F]

Yes, I'm bitchy. Okay. Well, we don't like that very much, do you?

[D]

Why don't you like talking to us? Because we know who you are.

[F]

You.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Why you don't like being called out.

[F]

3.

[B]

3 what?

[G]

3.

[B]

3.

[G]

3.

[B]

3. 3. We hit 666 last time. What'd she say?

[E]

Find you.

[B]

Find you.

[E]

Where did you come from?

[G]

3.

[E]

Where did you come from?

[F]

I've had it.

[G]

There's a girl crying.

[F]

Please.

[B]

There's a girl crying. She touched her again.

[G]

Just got touched.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

We're going to go a different direction. Yeah. Was there anything to do with the seance downstairs? The seances that were held down there? Did you come from that Instead of following Christina told you. Were you from here and not from her past? Why are you in this building? You're not affecting her at home. You're not hurting her. You're scaring staff. So I don't know why you would have that goal if you were here. To make her life a living hill.

[D]

Is it because she cares about the business?

[E]

Where are you right now?

[F]

Dance.

[B]

You said that a second time.

[F]

Yeah, she. Well, she got dance earlier.

[A]

Dance with me.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Yeah. That's it, girl. I'm going to ask you a yes or no question. Are you attached to Christina? A number.

[B]

What? What? A number.

[G]

Are you timeless?

[B]

Timeless.

[F]

Thomas. Dance.

[B]

Dance.

[F]

Stop trying to distract us. Yes or no? Are you attached to. Right. So you are me? No.

[B]

What are you getting? Kate? What do you. Ask some questions. Kate.

[E]

When you asked if he. He was attached to her. I heard no. Every time.

[B]

No, no. I feel like. I feel like it might be more distraction. I think.

[F]

I think that's it.

[G]

I feel like they're not really talking anymore.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

I think it's all distraction.

[B]

Yeah. We can take you out.

[A]

Sadly, this session was just more chaos and confusion. Nothing solid coming from the shadow person we were trying to address. But Alexis was here, and I was eager to get his input and final.

[B]

Thoughts because we're not getting an answer for the shadow. But you can hold. There's gotta be something you can do, right? Like.

[H]

Yeah, I mean, obviously, but I just. I'm not picking up on something, like, dark or even trickster y. I'm just picking up on spiritual energy.

[B]

Yeah.

[H]

There's nothing here that I'm like, oh, my God, I need to go grab my kit, like, right now.

[B]

Yeah. So I wanted to do. Because obviously, this world, we don't ever have super clear answers. But. But the thing that I know and I trust is that I know Alexis has done a lot for every case we've been on, and his general diagnosis and ideas of what he wants to do, as far as cleanses or offerings or things that might help you have more or less a more pleasant experience in your workspace. This does not tend to travel home with you. Right. Is that accurate to say?

[G]

I don't feel anything at home.

[B]

Okay. So I think what we should do do is get Alexis's final, like, after he's been here, he's seen it, he's heard it, he's been here for this, what he first wants to try to offer, and then we see how that goes for you, because we can't really. I don't want to jump into. Because of how tricky this thing has been. And it was already under a facade of someone who killed themselves with possible Lysol ingestion. I don't want him now to jump into another pathway of, like, oh, we're this person that was affecting you. I don't want to, like, jump that direction quite yet because we. We haven't had enough to guide us there. And I want to say, well, we're onto it. That there's a shadow. There's something that Jeffrey's seeing, you're feeling clearly. And at least we can address it and not have to go too far into that without, like, bringing all that up, because that might be. That might be something completely different. It may not be, but I don't want to jump to it. Alexis, where are you at you heard all of her story, too, because we got to hear her full breakdown of what that was. Yeah. Where do you feel like we should do? What should we do for the shadow figure? That does scare the staff, that does affect people here in the building.

[H]

There are things you can do, like, for prevention or to keep things out. But I don't feel like this shadow. I feel like the people here are giving it more power than it really has. It has the ability to do stuff. It has the ability to manifest things, make knocking noises. We heard it even when we were doing the recording right now. But I think that it's kind of like talking a big game. And it really doesn't have that much energy. It's just that every time. And you kind of touched on this, too. Anytime, if somebody gets scared or talks about it or invokes that fear, it's like, give me, give me, give me, give me.

[B]

Giving me more, more, more, more, more.

[H]

And it's just taking up that energy. So I think that me personally, like, if this was my building and I was dealing with this, every time something would happen, I'd be like, got it. Stop. And then move on and do the rest of my things. Because it's not coming off to me, like, oh, I gotta go get my bag and I gotta go, like, do all kinds of stuff. You know what I mean? Even earlier, when we were dealing with some of the. The situations with, like, you know, know, trying to listen to one person and all these other spirits are coming through, it's almost kind of like everybody's trying to grab the mic because they're like, well, if that person. If that spirit can do it and they're giving that all the attention, well, then I can get attention, and I can get attention, and I can get attention. So that's what I've been feeling mostly. I've been trying to tune in. The whole time I'm here, I'm like, tune in, try to find it. Tune in, try to find it. I mean, all I've seen, I've seen the image. One of them I saw was actually like a scared man, like. Like a man, baby, like a manchild. And that was the shadow that I picked up on. So I feel like it's like we're giving it more, we're feeding it just by acknowledging, oh, something scary is happening, you know, even by saying, oh, this place is haunted, you know, that kind of thing.

[B]

And, I mean, we won't. I don't think we'll know the answers. But to me, the two sides of things that we can really look at are the possible sans as that happened below. And this is a more recent type of energy that aligns, but there's also also the alignment of Christina arriving. And you have a history with something as well. So there's definitely two things there that make sense for this type of presence. We don't know the answers for the women. The women are confusing as well. But I think y' all and y' all. And yalls struggles. The women don't seem to pose an issue. Right.

[G]

They accidentally scare us by, like, saying our names.

[B]

Say names and things like that. Yeah. Hank, who is somebody we just discovered through Kate and Jeffrey and another person in Missouri. He seems to be what Jeffrey wants to convey to you, because he told me before he left, tell them that Hank is doing all he can to protect against the shadow. He wants to keep y' all safe. But he's also not always on because they got. When he got here this morning, he didn't see Hank. It took a while for Hank to show up before he left. So Hank's not always on. And when he got here, Jeffrey was staring at the shadow figure in the ceiling right there. I don't know why he was. Was up there, but. So, yeah, from here on out, Is there some things that we can do Other than just the speaking aloud of, like, diminishing him? Is there, like, a good cleanse or something that can initiate the transition of.

[H]

Honestly, I would elevate the good spirits.

[B]

Yeah.

[H]

You know, because they're. Yeah. They may be a little trickster, but I. People like Hank, for example, those are, like, the ones you want on your team to come in and make sure that other stuff doesn't happen. You know, so if. If that shadow's around, you know, Hank can make sure that keep it at bay. So I would do stuff for Hank.

[B]

For example, and the female and the female. And even John Waller might actually be a positive spirit. It doesn't feel. He doesn't feel negative, right?

[E]

No.

[H]

But I do feel the seances were a really big catalyst for this whole situation. Like, why it's here because. Well, we know already that seances have a tendency to open things up if they're done correctly. And when they're not done. Done correctly, they can keep some things open.

[B]

Yeah.

[H]

They can invite things that are not supposed to be here. They can call the attention of other spirits. You know, So I feel like I don't know how many seances were done here, but there's a possibility that they weren't done Beginning, middle, and end. More so, just the middle, which is like, let's all get together, hold hands, and call spirits.

[A]

We want to be clear with something here. We aren't trying to shame or discourage spirit communication. Hell, it's what we're doing on this very show. What we are trying to point out here is that when people without proper knowledge or practice attempt this, there are chances that things like this can happen. But it is now time to finally wrap up this case. And before we did, I wanted to hear the final thoughts from the person that mattered the most in this group. Sunset Strip Comedy Club's owner, Christina.

[B]

After it all, too. Just, like, where are you at with it? Like, what's. What's kind of like resonating with you because you're the one that's living it. You know what I mean? We. We tried. We've been here, you know, numerous times. It is very elusive. Whatever this is, it doesn't want to really reveal where it is or what it is.

[F]

I.

[G]

So I usually don't really speak about it just because I like to compartmentalize, like, his existence and just kind of tuck him away. And I feel like that has been kind of working. So, yeah, I think I just need to do that again and just pretend like he's just not there and just kind of focus more on Hank. I really do like that because, I mean, everyone just talks so highly of Hank, how he just, like, wants the shows to go on so well. And, you know, just having that on our team is great.

[F]

So.

[I]

So.

[B]

And then I don't know if you feel it or not, but now distinguishing the. The stuff from J. Waller might also help a little bit, because if you were constantly associating it with J. Waller, maybe that was also taking away from his energy. That could have been more positive for your space also.

[G]

Yeah, I think I was kind of confused.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

More like than, like, attacked by him or, like, you know, targeted by him. I was just like, why? Like, these bad things happen to you? Like, why are you here trying to scare us? Like, you know, And I couldn't. I couldn't get answers. And I guess this is. This is making me feel a lot better that it's not him. Like, it's something completely different. And, yeah, I just. I feel bad that we haven't talked to Jay as much as I want to.

[A]

Alexis had brought a bag of spiritual supplies and gifted them to Christina. He sat with her and went through what to do with them, and the team and I packed up and said our goodbyes. It Wouldn't be until a month later that I'd give Christina a call to check up on how things have gone since our investigation.

[I]

Things have still been active. Not as much, but we have been saging a lot more. We do it before our shows and sometimes even after. But I've noticed that if we don't, I do feel like a presence around. I feel like now we've kind of like had this crutch of Palo Santo and saging that now, if it's not in the air or if we don't smudge the place, then we start noticing things. That's been a little change, but other than that, we haven't heard the lady whispering. I have been like, acknowledging them more when I walk through the club or when I leave the club. Just kind of talking to them. And audibly too, not just in my head. I'll just, like, say, hey, goodbye, have a good night, thank you, and kind of like leave them with gratitude. There's still activity and has not left, but I don't think that it's as aggressive as it was. There's no signs breaking. There's no electric issues right now. So we'll see. I guess with that tbd.

[J]

That's good to know. And how about the back stairwell? Just curious, because I know that was like, just one of those things that was very early on, like, discussed amongst many of the staff members. I was curious if you felt any shift or change there.

[I]

No, I haven't. I still feel sometimes when I go into that back stairwell, I still feel sometimes that I shouldn't be there, but someone doesn't want me there. Now I'm less scared. Like, I used to go in there and if I had that feeling overcome, just like my body, really, because I could. I could feel the energy in my body. Instead of turning around and going out the back door, I just say, everything's fine. I'm here. Hi. I'm just going to work. And I acknowledge it and I just keep going. So it's kind of like, personally, I've been less scared, but it is still there. The energy is still there.

[J]

Well, just to give you some reassurance there, I think what's going on is that is the type of thing that's going to continue to whittle it down. Like, if you continue the other path that you used to be, like, where you turn around and it was like, that's what kind of gave it power. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, okay, it's working. The more you do the cleanses the uplifting of the positive, the acknowledging of the positive spirits, they are going to grow even more stronger in their power, and then the other is going to grow weaker. And so I think over time already, even though it's still there, there is a slight dissipation of the impact of it. Right. And it's very subtle because it's only been a month. But I think if you continue on the path that you're going on and you sort of, you know, obviously it's. It's weird to do this in a workplace and get your team on board because it's spirituality and it's something you don't want to push on them. But for those that are open and interested, like, I know I seem like. It seemed like Philip was very in tune with things like that. Staff members that are okay with that, you could give them that sort of, like, encouragement to be like, hey, like, if we all kind of do this and continue it, I think it's going to. We're going to notice a big positive difference and encourage it. And those that want to be encouraged and then obviously, you know, leave people be who are not very spiritual don't really want anything to do with that. But it's really cool when a team and a group of people and staff all, like, know where they work and what's there that can kind of band together and be like, oh, we got this. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to continue to do my side of things, you'll do your side of things, and over time, you'll see a shift in that. And it's not always overnight. It's gradual, and sometimes you don't even notice it. Say, like, progress in the gym, right? Like, you're doing something that's not very comfortable and doesn't feel great. And you're like, every time I look in the mirror, I see it every. You know, you're there every day. It doesn't feel different if you just look at it or feel it day to day, but if you look at it from, like, a long time ago, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm actually now making my way down the stairs and just pushing through it. So there's some slight changes. Right? Keep that up. It's awesome to hear. And the more you need, if there's more guidance that you need. Alexis is always open to teaching and sharing what he knows with every person that we help on the case. So if there's more, like, you're like, I want to. I feel like I'm doing good here, but I don't know if I'm doing this right. You can always reach out to us and we can provide you with those answers and that guidance.

[I]

I'm so glad that you guys came through the club. I think that it's helped shed some light on what has been through that space and also helping us continue on with that space. It's definitely been scary at some times, and I think that since we've had more clarity, it's less scary, more manageable, and we can all coexist better.

[A]

As we draw the curtain on this series, I want to take a moment to reflect on all the mysteries still shrouding this haunting and this enigmatic building on East 6th Street. Hank, a spirit whose presence was undeniably strong, never let us forget his love for the space, nor his unwavering support for Christina and the staff. Despite my efforts, I couldn't trace his name to anyone connected to the building's past establishments. But his connection to this space was clear and his voice strong. The experiences shared by Jeffrey and Kate the Brave left us questioning the boundaries between this world and the next, and at times it felt like the answers were just within reach. There were, of course, aspects that remained unsolved, the foul odors that lingered unexplained by any of our visits or investigations. Christina worked tirelessly to address this, and though we never found the definitive answers, I believe with time and persistence, the shifts Alexis encouraged will ultimately bring resolution. But only time will tell if those synths dissipate entirely. Then there were the various female presences whose energy was felt by the staff and also came through so clearly during many of our Estes sessions. These mysteries, too, will remain unsolved. The older female connected to John Waller, a figure Kate felt strongly, continues to elude identification as well.

[B]

Despite my father's efforts to trace the.

[A]

Waller ancestry and his grandmother's, none of the names or family members seemed to match what Kate was experiencing. Whether she was a relative of Jay Waller or someone from a different time, her presence remains yet another layer to this complex puzzle. And what about the shadow, that lingering, unexplainable figure that seemed to haunt the building? No matter how many times we tried to unravel its origin? Was it tied to the short history of J. Stevens Speakeasy, a space rich in secrets, psychics, ghostly parties, and possible seances? The bar's theme drinks, named after the tragic story of J. Stevens, only adds to the mystery. I came across a snippet from a publication by Jonas White from the Austenaut where he reflected on the curious cocktail names. He writes, suddenly these drink names make a bit more sense. Cash is king, Greed is good, Embezzlement and the story ending Sweet release. The article then quotes one of the visionaries behind J. Stevens speakeasy who adds, as a speakeasy, it's kind of fun to play off a morbid story. End quote. This chilling connection between the drinks, the story, the space itself raises even more questions. Was this playful theming a catalyst to fuel unrest in J. Steven's spirit? Or even worse, did it draw something darker in the one thing we can certainly say is this. We've opened the door to alternative theories on J. Stevens death, a story riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies. In every document and map that we uncovered, uncovered, our psychics in particular delivered a repeated message they believed to be from John Waller Stevens Jr. I did not drink that. I did not kill myself. His words resonate now more than ever. While we may never know the full truth of his death, with the help of our dedicated team, our psychic friends Nicole Damian and countless others, we've brought to light the confusion and contradiction surrounding his final moments and possibly the very space where he spent them. In the end, the haunting of this historic building on East 6th street may never have a clear cut conclusion, but we've taken you on a journey through its history, its spirits, and its unsolved mysteries. And in doing so, we've ensured that the questions that remain will never be forgotten. We may not have the final answers, but perhaps that's the most powerful truth of all. Sometimes the mysteries we can't find, fully solve, leave the most lasting impact. And so with that, we close the chapter on this case. But the story, much like the spirits within, lives on. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Night Owl podcast. Be sure to tune in to our next Paranormal Adventure on April 28th. A special thank you to Nicole and and Damien of the Real Ghosts of Podcast and the Parapeculiar podcast. Be sure to check their shows out and show them your support. Also, Jeffrey has been reading tarot cards for over 40 years. He's available for in person readings on Sundays from noon to 6pm at City Alchemist. That's our team member Alexis's witch shop in Austin. Or if you'd like an online reading with him, you can DM him on Instagram othademic13 that's G O T H A D e m I c 13 and if you're interested in connecting with Kate the Brave, you can find her on Instagram at Kate the Brave Be sure to subscribe to our newsletter on our website thenight owlpodcast.com follow us on Instagram or Facebook Henight Owl Podcast and consider becoming a patron and supporting our show on Patreon.com to stay up to date with our show's news and events. Stay restless out there. I'd like to thank my investigative team, Alexis, Franklin and Jeffrey for going on these crazy adventures with me Nicholas Fair for his talented musical contributions to this show my dad Sam for his incredible historical research Mikey for his assistance editing Beau Tristan and Devin for their help with our Night Owl events and tours Sandra for keeping us all on schedule and on budget and a special shout out to Meg for her assistance on this particular episode as well. And last but not least, David Dalton of Driftworks Sound for mastering every single episode on the tight turnarounds I give him. Please support their works by visiting our website thenight owlpodcast.com and clicking on the about tab. There you can find links to all their individual works and websites. This podcast was mastered by David Dalton of Driftworks Sound. Do you have a song that could use a professional touch to get it across the finish line? Do you wish you could remove the sound of a loud air conditioner or distracting mouth noises from your podcast recording? Whatever your issue, David can repair and enhance your audio and help you achieve rich, full professional sound at industry standard loudness levels. Quit struggling with audio engineering and get back to creating. To discuss your options, reach out to [e-mail] that'S-R-I-Ftworksound.com and set your creative self free.