Spirits of Moonshine - Part IV

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Night Owl Podcast – Episode 65: "Spirits of Moonshine Bar & Grill, Part IV" (Jan 26, 2026)

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Overview

This episode follows host Stephen Belyeu and the Night Owl Paranormal Research Society as they continue their multilayered investigation into the haunted Moonshine Bar & Grill in Austin, Texas. Picking up where previous episodes left off, the team delves deeper into the property’s supernatural mysteries through interviews, psychic readings, and controlled paranormal experiments. Core questions revolve around recurring presences—a troubling, oppressive male entity; glimpses of protective or playful spirits; and confusion over their identities and motives—while attempts are made to clarify whether different team members are encountering the same entities from divergent vantage points or if there are multiple, distinct spirits at play.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Recap of Previous Findings

• Multiple first-hand staff accounts have established patterns: unexplained footsteps, moving/breaking objects, sudden injuries, and intense feelings of being watched—especially upstairs and in the patio/bar areas. (00:00–03:30)
• Psychics have previously and independently picked up similar details, including:
  • An aggressive male presence known for shouting (“Get out!”)
  • A non-threatening, intelligent male with glasses
  • A mischievous teenage boy
  • A protective or watchful woman

2. Night Four Investigations: Sessions and Insights

A. Sunday House Encounters (Jeffrey’s Session) (06:15–09:27)

• Jeffrey reports seeing a tall, blurry outline in a chair and hints at a male spirit who “likes talking business over cocktails.” He also receives the name “John Federman or Letterman.”
  Quote: “I started seeing the guy from the Patio bar again… passing an envelope to someone.” — Jeffrey (06:58) “It wouldn’t leave my head. John Federman or Letterman.” — Jeffrey (07:41)

• Senses mostly male presence; women are notably absent during this session.

B. Offices – Ganzfeld Session (Jeffrey & Stephen) (09:27–14:16)

• Jeffrey is drawn to a chair believed to be favored by a spirit, sensing the persistent “angry man” again.

• During the session, a little girl’s fear is referenced and a spectral argument emerges; the male presence tries to dominate communication and suppress others; a woman attempts to communicate but is blocked. Quote: “He’s really trying to just keep everybody down. There are spirits here, but he doesn’t want them to talk or to communicate. ‘This is my place. I do what I want.’” — Jeffrey (12:01)

• When the team deliberately asks for other spirits to speak, Jeffrey experiences a room full of indistinct voices trying to come through at once.

C. Kinfolk & Tasting Room (Kate’s Sessions) (15:30–26:55)

• Kate independently picks up “Harold or Henry,” and, importantly, “John or James”— without knowing Jeffrey’s earlier impressions. She also receives “Henry,” tying to property founder Henry Hoffines. Quote: “There’s a name coming through. It’s John or James... That’s like a J name.” — Kate (16:18)

• Energies shift from calm to oppressive—an aggressive male, a female spirit trying to call attention to him, and mentions of a community of spirits.

• Kate’s impressions repeatedly indicate that the spirits want the negative male gone, mirroring observations from Jeffrey upstairs.

• In the tasting room, she interacts with a calm presence (“Henry”), followed by intrusive, volatile energies, and residual childish energy (“do you have any bubble gum?”).

D. Reflections and Experimentation (31:00–38:54)

• Discussion of the "angry guy," a neutral “man in a blue suit,” the complexity of child energies, and a possible community of transient spirits in the building—exacerbated by the energy of the property (old limestone structure, near a creek). Quote: “He wants all the attention. And I’m not sure who all those other spirits are... they’re just kind of drawn here... it’s sort of like a battery.” — Jeffrey (33:13)

• Jeffrey’s session again yields the name “John” as the angry male becomes prominent.

• Kate, on the patio bar, notes that both “riffraff,” newer presences, and the angry male are seen as outsiders by the established spirits, with possible mental health issues implied for the negative male.

3. Second Night: New Witness & Further Differentiation

A. Sarah’s Recap and Distinctions (44:11–49:33)

• Sarah recounts: an aggressive male entity affecting the water (Kinfolk/bar area); a welcoming man with glasses who appears during busy times; and a mischievous, deceiving child/teen boy—though she suspects she was being misled by a malevolent spirit.

• She distinguishes between two distinct female presences: a watcher on the stairwell and a potential caretaker.

B. Staff Validation

• Sonia, a staff member, contributes new validation—recounting reports from a bartender who refused to go into Kinfolk due to a shadowy male figure, aligning with the psychics' readings. She recounts her own feelings of an intense female (possibly Catherine) in the upstairs office, though is open to possible misinterpretation of gender due to a strong energy.

C. Psychic Experiment: Sarah & Jeffrey in Kinfolk (60:44–68:45)

• Both are placed under controlled conditions (blindfolded, headphones), and both independently report strong overlapping impressions:
  • Pleas for help (“Help me…”)—clearer from a female presence.
  • A black cloud, whiskey references, and fear dominate.
  • Active suppression: “I’m all over this place… I don’t want to leave.” — Sarah (62:57, 63:05)
  • The female voice is persistently cut off or pushed away by the male.
  • Both sense the presence of water and “community” but marked division among entities, with distinct male and female energies.

4. Upstairs Office Walkthroughs & Clarity (Sarah & Jeffrey) (71:46–85:14)

• Both Sarah and Jeffrey independently assign the “angry man” to the office stairwell, hallway, bathroom, and back office (where security cameras are). The shared office feels different to both, housing gentler child energies (playful little girl) and possibly a sad, sicker adolescent girl.

• Male presence is described as 50s, suit-wearing, shadowy, and domineering.

• Notably, both mediums hold firm to their impressions even when staff stories (favoring a female ghost) are introduced.

• Jeffrey: “He thinks it’s funny they don’t know what’s happening… like, just a jerk.” (78:25)

• Distinction is sharpened: the little girl (playful; 5-8 years old) is different from the adolescent girl (melancholy, possibly sick; early teens)—they move through different sections of the property.

5. Late-Night Gansfeld Sessions & Final Insights

A. Jeffrey (Ganzfeld in Shared Office) (92:11–95:49)

• Senses both little girl and angry male. The male is described as always watching, belligerent, claims ownership (“should have been mine”), and actively disliked by other spirits. “He wants to own the place. He wants to run the place. But he didn’t.” — Jeffrey (95:18)

B. Sarah (Ganzfeld in Shared Office: “Benjamin”) (98:19–107:09)

• Receives the name “Benjamin”—but notes that it doesn’t quite fit; she uses it for clarity.
• The male presence admits to throwing things and frightening people for “fun,” but claims he isn’t hurting anyone.
• Male states: “I built it from the ground up,” but a female spirit immediately interjects: “He’s lying.” (103:03)
• Moments of confusion and competition among spirits are witnessed—a grey mist is sensed blocking communication, and the little girl helps push it away.
• “Benjamin” asserts he is not from Austin and is possibly attached to a staff member, not the property itself.
• The male presence is wary of the Kinfolk basement entity, implying layers of antagonism even among the spirits.

6. Unresolved Mysteries & Connections

• Repetitive emergence of the names “John,” “James,” and “Benjamin” in connection with the angry male; “Henry” as founder; adolescent girl and playful little girl clearly differentiated by multiple mediums.
• Constant theme: Suppression—oppressive male entity seems to deliberately suppress communication from other spirits, with female spirits openly resisting or calling him out.
• Recurring motifs: water (historical floods, pipes), community of spirits, deception, and spirits possibly being “drawn” to the property but not originally connected.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Jeffrey on the angry male:
  “He tries to push us all down. There’s ways of getting around it.” (14:08)

• Kate on the shadowy male:
  “He can make it cold. He can make you see your breath… make something move.” (17:14)

• Sarah on feeling suppressed:
  “I hate to use the word aggressive, but just a little bit more in your face… than this other man, who is very gentle, very welcoming.” (44:16)

• Sonia on staff validation:
  “She [Amber] would not come down here to get wine... because she said she would see, like, this shadowy, like, a man’s figure behind the door.” (50:31)

• Jeffrey on ‘the battery’ effect:
  “At places like this... they’re just kind of drawn here... it’s sort of like a battery. It keeps renewing and, you know, there’s the creek right there and everything.” (33:13)

• Joint session, Sarah & Jeffrey overlapping on 'help':
  Sarah: “Help me.” (60:44), Jeffrey: “Death.” (60:55)

• Sarah, about spirit suppression:
  “He keeps kind of pushing her out of the way... they all left. This thing, whatever the gray mist is, is, it's like he doesn't want us to talk to them.” (103:03)

• Jeffrey, about the irritable man:
  “Why aren’t you working?... Should have been mine. Whatever that means.” (93:00–93:21)

• Sarah, suspecting deception:
  “There's something about this little boy just being mischievous, just getting into stuff over there with the staff... but I feel like I was being lied to, if that makes sense.” (47:05)

• Host Stephen’s synthesis:
  “When you see these patterns surface, independently corroborated by psychics working in isolation, it’s hard to ignore.” (Throughout episode)

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Timeline of Key Segments

• 00:00–06:15: Episode intro, synopsis of past findings, setup for the evening
• 06:15–09:27: Jeffrey’s Sunday House session (visual phenomena, names)
• 09:27–14:16: Upstairs office Ganzfeld (angry man, female suppression)
• 15:30–26:55: Kate in Kinfolk/Tasting Room (positive ‘Henry,’ aggressive male, group dynamics)
• 31:00–38:54: Team reflections, John emerges
• 44:11–49:33: Sarah’s solo recap, staff (Sonia) interview, validation of shadow presence
• 60:44–68:45: Dual psychic experiment in Kinfolk (Sarah & Jeffrey, male vs. female presences, help requests)
• 71:46–85:14: Office walkthroughs, clear differentiation in spirit profiles, children's/teens' spirits mapped
• 92:11–95:49: Jeffrey’s Ganzfeld, further insights into male/female interplay
• 98:19–107:09: Sarah’s Ganzfeld; “Benjamin,” adolescent girl, dynamics with other spirits; wrap-up and introspection

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Conclusions & Ongoing Mysteries

• The dominant narrative is one of layered, overlapping spiritual presences—some positive and clearly tied to the property (founder Henry, playful/lonely children), others manipulative, suppressive, and potentially interloping (the “angry man,” possibly named John or Benjamin).
• Strong consistency in psychic reports—even while isolated and unaware of others’ findings—lends weight to the impressions and overlapping phenomena.
• Suppression and deception are recurring barriers; spirits (particularly females and children) seem to be actively silenced, their stories hidden behind the angry man’s interference.
• Certain presences (including the problematic male) are suspected not to be tied to the land, but to have attached themselves to people or the location in more recent times.
• Water, “community,” and “battery” metaphors suggest both a literal and energetic confluence that may explain the site’s spiritual churn.

The story is not yet fully resolved—new layers of the haunting reveal themselves even as the team closes a chapter and plans their final overnight investigation.

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For more behind-the-scenes stories or to report a ghost encounter, listeners are invited to contact Stephen via the podcast website.

Transcript

[A]

The Night owl Podcast Episode 65 Spirits of Moonshine Bar Grill Part 4 welcome to the Night Owl Podcast. I'm your host Stephen Ballew, and this is a place for all you restless spirits out there to tune in and hear true tales of the paranormal. I hunt these stories down, capture them from the mouths of those who've experienced them, and share them with you right here. We're currently looking for more personal ghost stories or haunted locations, so if you or someone you know has one, please submit it to us. For consideration, go to thenight owlpodcast.com Click on the Submit yout Story page and let us hear your ghost story. Tonight, the investigation at Moonshine Barn Grill continues. What began as fragments and impressions now deepens as the team revisits the property to test what aligned and question what didn't. Some findings echo the stories staff have told for years. Others introduce entirely new identities. Complicating what we thought we understood, and threading through it all is one troubling presence, an oppressive male energy each psychic has encountered on their own. But are they picking up the same spirit? Or are they all being deliberately misdirected? Stay tuned. I have a couple of announcements for you night owls, Our special screening series the Chilling Season comes to a close with our third and final mystery outdoor horror screening happening Friday, January 30th at 8pm at Walters Tavern, formerly Freddo ATX, one of our favorite Austin haunted locations. This final secret film is one that means a lot to me. It's based on a real case that helped spark my own interest in paranormal investigation years ago, and it remains one of the most unsettling ghost stories ever brought to the screen. Watching it outdoors beneath the night sky is not something you'll soon forget. Each chilling season event brings something uniquely different from post film discussions and possible guest surprises to spooky cocktails, exclusive artwork and other elements we only reveal the night of the event is free to attend, so be sure to RSVP for free at the nightoutpodcast.com or just click our link in our Instagram bio. Walter's Tavern will have their full menu available. And as for the movie, you'll have to come and experience it for yourself. I'll just say this this story pushed the boundaries of what a ghost movie could be. Also, I want to make an announcement about Strange and Extraordinary Fest. Hosted by our friends Nicole and Damian of the parapecular and Real Ghost Stuff Podcasts, Austin becomes the crossroads of the unexplained at Strange and Extraordinary Fest, a full day immersion into history, mystery and horror. From haunted exhibits and eerie artifacts to chilling stories and live experiences, this festival brings together leading voices in the paranormal and a community drawn to the unknown. And I'll be participating as part of a live Night Owl Q and A, sharing behind the scenes stories from the podcast investigations that didn't go as planned and what it's like really documenting the unexplained. If you crave more than the ordinary, this is the night to step inside it. Tickets are available now at strange and extraordinary fest.com before we dive in, let's quickly ground ourselves in where this investigation has led. Over the last several episodes. We documented Moonshine Bar and Grill through extensive interviews with owners, longtime staff, former employees, and outside contractors. Across dozens of first hand accounts, certain patterns emerged again and again. Unexplained footsteps near the upstairs offices, objects moving or breaking, sudden injuries and presences the staff believed were tied to history. When we finally entered the building with our psychic team, they were kept completely separate and blind to one another's findings, and yet overlapping impressions began to surface. Jeffrey repeatedly encountered an aggressive male presence, loud and confrontational at one time, even yelling get out. Language that matched one of the most disturbing staff experiences we documented earlier. Kate independently picked up on a darker male energy that seemed to move between spaces, especially the patio bar and Sunday house loft where others had reported feeling watched from above. Both Kate and Sarah sensed a man with glasses connected to kinfolk, a presence described as intelligent and non threatening. While later discoveries complicated how much we could validate his identity, the consistency of that energy across readings was notable. Sarah also introduced a new and unexpected element, a teenage boy, chaotic and disruptive, whom she believed was responsible for many of the accidents and mishaps reported at Moonshine. That presence wasn't part of the building's common lore, yet aspects of his behavior aligned closely with what staff had experienced, especially in recent years. As the night went on, other threads surfaced A protective female presence near the upstairs stairs, a shadowy figure in the Sunday House loft, and an indigenous woman who interrupted a later session with imagery tied to protests, the Capitol, and a much more modern era of Austin's history. By the time the first night was winding down, Sarah had already left, but Jeffrey and Kate stayed behind. The building was empty, the energy felt different, and the most pressing questions were still unresolved. Were the psychics accurately tapping into the same experiences staff had described? Were some of them independently sensing the same presences? And were there pieces of this story that still hadn't revealed themselves yet? That's where we left off, and that's exactly where we pick back up late into the first night at Moonshine. By the late hours of this night, August 10, 2025, our investigation was beginning to wind down. Sarah had already headed back, but Jeffrey and Kate were still on site. As part of our process. We don't have mediums read the same rooms or spaces together. And during focused work, like Estes or Gansfeld sessions, they wear noise canceling headphones with loud white noise, ensuring they can't hear one another. This keeps their impressions independent without fully isolating them. At this point in the night, Jeffrey was set up inside the Sunday house while Kate was working elsewhere on the property. The last time I spoke with Jeffrey, he mentioned he was preparing to do a solo session in Kinfolk. So I headed back toward the Sunday house to check in with Jeffrey and see how that session had gone.

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I was sitting in that middle on the. The banquette, and I started to see kind of an outline in the chair in front of me. I was like, talk to me. You just can't, you know, touch me or hurt me or anything like that. And it was just kind of like the air was kind of blurry a little bit. Like I could see an outline. And I mean, it could have been the lighting and it could have been the pattern on that pillow, but it looked. The pillow didn't move. It's almost like something in front of it moved, like you would shift in your chair. But it. It happened twice. But it was like a jump cut. It wasn't. It was weird. It was like. So that was interesting. And then I got. I started seeing the guy from the Patio bar again. I think maybe it was him. He really likes this sort of like talking business over cocktails kind of a thing. And I got the image of some went reaching over to the next table, passing an envelope to someone. So it was just these sort of disjointed images. I did see when I was sitting in the same chair, the archway that goes into the tasting room. I saw a distinct shadow, like something looking in and then going back, it came out. And then it just went back. Okay, yeah, like, because I was sitting in that middle area in the banquet across from the bar. And then I wrote it all down. Let me see what else I wrote down. But, oh, when I got a name.

[A]

It came to me.

[B]

It wouldn't leave my head. John Federman or Letterman. I don't know where that came from, but it popped out. I don't know whose name it's supposed to be. But that was pretty much. It just felt like it was. Maybe it was that guy that I saw. And I don't really think he's from the 70s. I just think he has kind of that look to his hair. That's why I call him the 70s guy. But it was pretty cool. I kept hoping that the outline was gonna take a better shape. Cause I was seeing it with my eye. Eyes, not in my head. But it never did. It was just kind of a blurriness to the. But it was. It was tall. It would have been a tall person. And I haven't picked up on any women so far. It's all been mostly men.

[A]

There were a few details from my check in with Jeffrey that stood out. He described the sense of a taller figure beginning to take form, along with what he interpreted as a shadow presence. He also came away with a name, John. I'm noting these now because at the time they felt like loose threads. But as the night continued, they would resurface in ways we didn't yet understand. After this check in, Jeffrey and I moved upstairs to the offices. I wanted to try a Ganzfeld experiment blindfolded again, but this time using brown noise instead of white. I didn't have my mic on yet, but as we walked, Jeffrey mentioned something new. The presence of a little girl he felt downstairs briefly and in passing. The reason I mention it here is because she'll come up in his experiment. And I didn't want it to be confusing who he references. When we reached the top floor of the office balcony, we entered Jordan and Devin's office almost immediately. Jordan. Jeffrey was drawn back to Jordan's chair. The same spot that had caught his attention earlier in the night.

[B]

The chair that you're sitting in is the one I felt earlier that maybe it moved. It's moved in a different direction. When they come back in in the morning, it's like one of them likes that chair. So you're sitting in their chair. I'm seeing the angry guy again. He's shaking his fist.

[A]

This is Jeffrey. I'm Stephen. We've got Alexis. We've got Franklin and Adam.

[B]

You tell me.

[A]

Yeah, we're just introducing ourselves. We're not here for any ill intent, malicious purpose. We're actually here to just seek out truth.

[B]

The answer's not where you think.

[A]

That's why we're here. You can tell us the right answer, the truth. Who's here? Who affects people in this office area? Who hangs out here?

[B]

The little girl is scared again.

[A]

Does little girl come up here? Male presence. You're not allowed to interact with the younger girl presence.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Yeah, you can't keep doing that. We're not gonna talk to you at all if you keep it.

[B]

Don't do that.

[A]

So let her speak. We'll give you a shot as well. But you.

[B]

You are gonna regret this. I don't like you here.

[A]

Okay? We're not gonna be here very long. We're just here for a short while and all we're.

[B]

I don't have to tell you anything.

[A]

You don't, so leave. Let us talk to the little girl.

[B]

It's mine.

[A]

What's yours?

[B]

I'm getting some images, but it's hard to figure out what they are.

[A]

I don't understand who this male presence is.

[B]

This was all different once.

[A]

Well, yes. Did you. Did you live here? At least tell us that. Did you live here? Was this your house?

[B]

Everything changes. I don't like it.

[A]

What would you like it to go back to the.

[B]

This is all the angry man.

[A]

Angry man. What is your name? What's the angry man saying? If you can give us your name, we can research what it was like when it was your time.

[B]

I'm hearing the name Susan.

[A]

Now.

[B]

There's a woman, she's trying to yell at me with her hands like this over her mouth. But he's blocking everybody out. You don't know what you're doing.

[A]

What do you think we're doing?

[B]

Keep quiet.

[A]

Let's hear Alexis talk. Oh, I am talking.

[B]

I could hear the lady for a second. He keeps us at bay, but there's ways of getting around him. It's like he's really trying to just keep everybody down. There are spirits here, but he doesn't want them to talk or to communicate. This is my place. I do what I want.

[A]

So this message is to all the other spirits that are oppressed. Since this male presence doesn't want to hear from me, I'm not going to talk.

[B]

I don't want to answer any questions.

[A]

I'm not asking you any questions. I'm talking to the other spirits. The other spirits. You have permission to come through. You can share with us anything you want. And that man does not have permission to speak. So he can speak, but we're not going to listen. And he's not going to listen to us either. So unless he's going to actually treat us with respect like we're doing for him, we're not going to talk to him. We're not here doing anything wrong. We were invited here and we're just Here to have a conversation. That's it. There's nothing wrong with the conversation.

[B]

I keep seeing it. There's an image trying to come through.

[A]

Push it through. So all other spirits, whether that's the female that is trying to come through, the Jeffrey, the little girl, the nicer man.

[B]

I'm not really getting anything anymore.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He's kind of received. They've all kind of receded.

[A]

Okay, good. Awesome.

[B]

Well, right at the very end, the. The static noises sounded like a lot of voices all trying to talk at once. I couldn't distinguish words, but it sounded like. Like a room full of people. And everybody was like, you know, trying to talk to one person at the same time kind of a thing. They were all trying to talk to me at once.

[A]

What did I. What did I say? Remember?

[B]

Oh, I need to move.

[A]

That's what I say. Everyone can talk and not him. Yeah.

[B]

And that's what happened. He went. He. He was gone for a minute. And they. It's like they all rushed up. Like, you know, in a movie where everybody's talking to one person at the same time.

[A]

Yeah. I give everyone permission except for him.

[B]

That's wild. It worked.

[A]

Yeah. But they couldn't get through to you still, how? They couldn't. Like, I couldn't.

[B]

I couldn't distinguish. But the noise actually stopped being noise. It was the sound of voices all at the same time. So there was the one woman that came through.

[A]

I was curious about her.

[B]

She was. She looked kind of vintage, kind of retro. She had on a. Like, a pale blue dress and a necklace. Very pretty. And now, of course, I can't remember exactly what she thinks she said.

[A]

There's.

[B]

He tries to push his all down. There's ways of getting around it. And that's why she was able to give me that one or two sentences.

[A]

As Jeffrey's Gansfeld session wrapped, there were a few things worth holding onto. You could hear in his voice. The tone shifted. When he relayed certain messages, there was an intensity that seemed to be tied to the angry male presence he'd been referencing throughout the night. What stood out were the contrasts. Alongside that anger, Jeffrey briefly picked up on a little girl. And for a moment, the presence of a woman as well. That caught my attention, especially knowing that earlier, Sarah had been sensing a woman just beyond the stairwell wall leading up to the office. And separately, there'd been long talk of a mischievous child spirit connected to this very room. Though up to this point, none of the psychics had independently named it. One last detail to note, Geoffrey Described the woman as suggesting that the angry male kept her and other spirits down or away, but that there were ways around him. At the time, it felt abstract. Later, it wouldn't. With Jeffrey's session complete, I left the office to find Kate heading down into Kinfolk to run the same experiment with her there. We're in the Kinfolk with Kate, and it's Alexis, Franklin and Adam. So we're here to communicate with any of the spirits that find this to be their predominant spirit.

[C]

I keep seeing a man.

[A]

Can you describe this man? Who is this?

[C]

Harold or Henry?

[A]

So there's something that happens down here that is sometimes a little bit more around the river. River things happen around here with water and liquid drought.

[C]

It's all drying up.

[A]

The river?

[C]

Yes. That's where my money comes from. Dry goods. I smoked a lot. Run. Run. It's not safe. We want it to be safe.

[A]

The accident.

[C]

It's upstairs.

[A]

What's upstairs?

[C]

There's four of us.

[A]

Can you give us your names?

[C]

There's a name coming through. It's John or James. That's like a J name.

[A]

I want to pause here for a moment because something important just surfaced. Kate independently just picked up the name John, the same name Jeffrey had received earlier. She also brought through another name, Henry, which you'll hear again later in the session. Pay attention to how the tone of this session begins to shift from here on out. You can hear in it the language, the pacing, and. And the energy, as if different personalities are moving in and out. Shh.

[C]

Quiet. You can hear me. I'm tapping. It's because I see you and you see me. Jeffrey. Where's Jeffrey?

[A]

Jeffrey's in the Sunday house.

[C]

I want to talk to Jeffrey.

[A]

Is this the man? Is this the angry man?

[C]

I can make it cold. I can make you see your breath. I can make you hear things, see things, smell things, make something move. There's a man here.

[A]

Who's this man? Describe.

[C]

He's quiet.

[A]

Where is he right now?

[C]

Bring back the other one. She can see me.

[A]

Oh, Sarah.

[C]

I can see him in the room over there. And he's walking around the side, looking up and down at all the bottles. There's like a clinking or like a tapping on the glass.

[A]

What's his name?

[C]

It's boring being here all these years, locked up. I love when the people come. He loved his family.

[A]

What was your name?

[C]

There's a woman. I see her outside.

[A]

What about the person that's really strong here? Who's the strongest spirit in this space? Is it the man, are you trying.

[C]

To make us leave?

[A]

No, we just have questions. We're curious.

[C]

There's a group of spirits that come in together, and one of them says, we know they see us. It's part of the fun. I heard no harm, no foul. He's separate from us. We want him to leave.

[A]

Spirits, can you tell us who this male is?

[C]

That's what you think. You don't know?

[A]

Then he comes back.

[C]

I don't even know.

[B]

Ha ha ha.

[A]

Who's this, this male? Can you tell us more about yourself or other spirits? Can you tell us who he is?

[C]

I'm not sure who this woman is, but she keeps pointing to the man who crouches and she's trying to get somebody's attention to let them know he's there. I think he's moving through the pipes. I'm seeing pipes. They look like they're thinner and there's something moving through them. I'm freezing.

[A]

Who is this male presence that's making things cold? Yes. Try to. Spirits, help Kate hone in on this person. I'm just curious because Jeffrey was getting something very similar. Who is this male presence?

[C]

Would it be possible to go in the room over there? Or is it too much, like setting up?

[A]

No, no, we can move. Yeah, you can take it off. We've got all the, like, voices and stuff, but there's one that's more like sharp and snappy and I make it cold and blah, blah, blah, blah. He was like. He was very.

[C]

Yes, he's manipulative. So it's not. You don't always see him. It's. I don't know how to describe that. Whoever that is is the one who, like, moves through the pipes and there's a woman here who's like. She's like, pointing to him and trying to get his attention. I'm freezing right now.

[A]

Here's a quick snapshot of what Kate picked up during this session. She first sensed a male presence that felt calm, observant, non oppressive, distinctly different from the man with the glasses that both she and Sarah had independently described earlier in the night. Night. She also received the name Henry, which immediately stood out to me. Henry Hoffines was the original founder of this compound and the property's first owner. After passing, the business was taken over by his daughter Catherine and her husband Adolf, though at this point, I wasn't ready to draw conclusions. We'll hear more from this presence later. From there, the tone shifted. Kate began picking up on a more oppressive, negative male energy, followed by a female presence who Seemed focused on drawing attention to a shadowy male figure crouching, lurking, and watching. According to her, this woman, along with the small group of spirits, did not want him there and wanted him gone. What made this especially unsettling was how closely it mirrored what Jeffrey had just picked up upstairs. But at the time, it was still too early to know whether these impressions were truly connected. Kate then asked if we could move into the tasting room to continue. So we relocated, still down in Kinfolk, with her still under the Gansfeld, using brown noise, and let the session continue.

[C]

There's like a Henry or an H name. It's quiet down here. Nobody bothers me. There's a man standing right here. I think Henry is what I'm hearing.

[A]

Henry, if this is you, was this your house? Did you build this?

[C]

Sorry, I'm just quiet.

[A]

That's okay.

[C]

I like to observe and watch.

[A]

Where are you from originally? Are you from another country, Burleson?

[C]

I like it down here. Sometimes I'll walk upstairs, but I don't really go out of the door. I like to stay here. They see me. I felt a wind, and then it bounced onto this side over here.

[A]

I wonder if he jumped over here.

[C]

There's two kids. They're running around. Hey, you can't be down here. Get back upstairs. No, you can't do that. We don't hit.

[A]

Who's that? Henry?

[B]

Who's.

[A]

Who's coming in? Henry? You've got a lot of power here. Who is this?

[C]

Give them space. I'm trying to talk. Nobody invited you down here. This is my turn to talk right now.

[A]

Thank you, Henry.

[C]

Yes. With these people. My friends, they came here just to see me, and here I am.

[A]

Yes. We are here to speak to Henry. He's the original founder of all this amazing space.

[C]

Welcome committee.

[A]

Now, Henry, this. There's another male spirit that is seeming to be kind of.

[C]

We all interact with each other.

[A]

Angry, aggressive. He might be causing problems.

[C]

There's a lot of uplifting energy. And I'm hearing music playing. I'm seeing lots of laughing and dancing. It raises the spirits up here, which is what we like. It's sad on the other side. There's something heavy there. It's hiding. John. Johnathan.

[A]

So she keeps getting the name John or Jonathan. Is that the. Is that the mean man?

[C]

Oh, he left.

[A]

Oh, shit. Henry's.

[C]

Turn around to the right.

[A]

We're looking. Tell us who you are.

[C]

I can touch your hair.

[A]

Touch it.

[C]

There's somebody standing here.

[A]

Is it a male? Female?

[C]

There's a man standing here. Staring or observing.

[A]

I don't know if we can get any answers.

[C]

Do you have any bubble gum?

[A]

I didn't bring any of that.

[C]

Well, that's too bad, because I can't chew it anyways. Ha ha ha.

[A]

The store used to sell bubble gum upstairs.

[C]

Oh, look at me. I'm tying my shoes and now I'm doing a dance, and you can't see me standing here beneath the spotlight.

[D]

Ha ha ha.

[C]

Look at me. I can put on a show. Oh, you don't know what. I'm gonna try to put this into words, but there's like a sound echoing from different parts of my brain. Schizophrenic, mentally insane. Oh. Would you like for me to leave? You need to shut her up.

[A]

Who is talking to us?

[C]

She can't come close to me.

[A]

I don't know who this negative male because there's not a whole lot of reports about it.

[C]

You can try. We're trying, but elusive.

[A]

That doesn't sound like a kid.

[D]

No.

[A]

This letter was the negative male in the patio bar.

[C]

There's something outside. It's in the barn.

[A]

The carrot shells. Maybe that's where the man is. The mean mill was reported around there. Yeah. Did we find you?

[C]

I didn't say anything.

[A]

So is that where the mean man hangs out? Over there by the carriage house. The patio bar. The back patio. Can we find.

[C]

I'm seeing the offices. There's a man walking up there. He moves between the two rooms. The one towards the back is where he is the most on the computer. He's like this, looking over her. Taller. He looks. He looks dead. I don't know how else to say that. Medium build, short hair, soft.

[A]

What is he doing?

[C]

The spirits that are here are very aware of the. The people here, and they like to watch. They like to follow you, to walk behind you, there's a man. And I'm hearing the name John. John. Like, is that J name? Something's going on with his face.

[A]

This is the. The man that looks dead. Who. Who is John with the face or. I'm confused about this. This man who's in the offices.

[C]

He's not talking to me, but I'm watching him. Yeah, I'm watching him watch her. And I'm watching him follow her down the stairs.

[A]

People feel really afraid leaving that office, but they think it's Catherine. They think it's Catherine. Okay, can I tap out for a second? Yeah, yeah. Oh, you're getting to something. I'm curious what's going on with this. I really curious about this male, what is going on with him? What's weird is they're not reporting a male presence.

[C]

There's a female and I don't. I just, I'm having such a hard time connecting to her.

[A]

But that man, what's going on with him? That's what we're trying to find out because everyone's feeling him. But I'm like they don't. They've never reported that guy. He's not going over a little bit, but not in the areas y' all are picking him up, which is weird.

[C]

Well, I think he's. This particular guy I don't think belongs here. I think he stumbled across here because it was like where am I? What is this that's happened? It's almost like he dropped in is what it looks like. He looks nothing like any of the other two males that came in. But he's very not crossed over. So I think he's felt and seen like I see him like if you were to see a man walking across a room, I feel like that would be him. But this person has like a sunken in face. There's something here. I don't know if it's like. Cuz sometimes when I see spirit that's not crossed over, they look like they're decomposing. That's what I mean. Like he looks.

[A]

Yeah, I heard you say that.

[B]

That's.

[C]

And there's something with him with like that Jane. There's like a John or like a James or something.

[A]

You said James and John. The H was like real calm and.

[C]

Yeah, but he, he has like emotions. Yeah, like he's sad when people leave. So he can feel emotional in that way when people are here. It's a very like high energy. He's actually really good at manipulating energy. And I don't mean that because I know the other mean guy can manipulate, but this person manipulates and like elevating the area. Now all of a sudden everybody's like laughing and it's humorous or whatever or like can also make you feel really sad I think. But it's not the same. This person has a tie to the actual building.

[A]

Okay. A lot came out of this session as you just heard. The Henry presence felt positive and clearly tied to the building and the land itself. In contrast, the more negative male energy which Kate associated with the name John or James did not seem rooted here at all. Her impression was that he arrived after death rather than being a part of the property's history. What made this more complicated was how these impressions began to overlap with earlier findings, Kate was now placing this negative presence lingering in the upstairs office while Jeffrey continued to describe this possible similar man, but in dark clothing or shadow at the same time. This echoed what Sarah had picked up much earlier in the night. A shadow presence, she felt, that had moved down into kinfolk, closely tied to the water pipes and infrastructure beneath the building. Another thing that Kate had also hit on. At this point, it still wasn't clear whether everyone was describing the same presence from different angles or multiple spirits interacting within the same space. But taken together, these sessions began to layer into something more cohesive. Not answers yet, but a growing network of connections that couldn't be ignored. As the night began to wind down, I wanted to gather one final recap and run one last experiment. Jeffrey was resting in the Sunday house, so I headed back to check in with him and see what, if anything, still lingered before we wrapped up for the night. Remind us of all the spaces and like, what has come through for you?

[D]

Where?

[B]

Well, I mean, the big one, I think, would be the. That angry guy. I don't know what his attachment to the place is or why he wants to push everybody out of the way, but he's just, like, really adamant about all of that. And then there's the ultra quiet other guy in the blue suit that didn't seem to be a residual. He's just very non, you know, responsive, I think. And then I'm still not sure about what was upstairs. I still don't think that. I think when Franklin was up there, it was almost like they were three. Three different entities bopping back and forth, speaking through them. But the young one that sounded like it was being hurt or kept captive up there or something, I don't think was the same young thing that I encountered. That was kind of like the shadow thing, I think that was almost felt like the abusive spirit had appeared to me as the young outline of a little boy or something like that. I don't know, that that whole thing felt creepy. That felt like somebody was being like Cap, you know, held captive up there or something. It was very weird. But I don't know what the connection to this place would be unless it was, you know, passersby that just, you know, hijacked their way in or something that nobody ever knew about, you know, because that, I think, must have been some sort of outbuilding at. When, you know, at one time, I'm not sure, but that was weird. But it. I didn't feel threatened when I was up there and encountered it by myself, but it was Kind of creepy when I. When I walk by later, you know, and it was like, hey, come back up here. And I'm like, no, I don't think so.

[A]

And the mean man. Where did you first pick him up?

[B]

Side. I remember. I think he was just out on the main patio back there.

[A]

Like, near the Sunday house area. Yeah.

[B]

Where I got the impression that he was, like, yelling at people.

[A]

Yes. Okay.

[B]

And going, you know, hey, yeah, get out. You know, that kind of stuff. I felt like, you know, he was on those stairs. And then, you know, maybe it was him up in the office, but I wasn't sure. But I think it was him up in the office making the noise and stuff like that. And all those banging and clanging noises that I picked up on days ago. I think he's maybe responsible for some of that. He wants attention. He wants all the attention. And I'm not sure who all those other spirits are, other than, you know, at places like this, like we've encountered before, where they're. They're just kind of drawn here, you know, and especially this. Like, we're in this big limestone box, Right. And so they might get stuck here or decide they like the energy here because it's sort of like a battery. It keeps renewing and, you know, there's the creek right there and everything.

[A]

So with the night nearly over, we set Jeffrey up for one last Ganzfeld experiment in the upstairs office. Really would like to tap into any way to get answers for some of the mysterious happenings here and who they're attributed to. And the thing that is bothersome is never really got an answer for, like, who might be causing some of the more dangerous things down here.

[B]

Someone's. I'm seeing hands, like, hold on, hold on, hold on. But I'm not hearing anything yet. Someone is saying, I want to explain, but I can't. At first, I thought it was the angry man trying to be nice for some reason, but I'm. Now I'm starting to think about that weird, you know, entity that was up in the loft. It's weird. I don't know what the connections are, but it's almost like there's this weird community of spirits here. I'm actually hearing faint voices. Like, it sounds like a woman's voice, but I can't make out the words. It's very, very small.

[A]

Is there a child here?

[B]

I think it's him again. It's like, I'm not gonna answer any of those questions. Like, I don't know why he's being so Rude. I can hear you. Talk to me.

[A]

You don't want to answer any questions.

[B]

What do you want to bother us for?

[A]

We just need clarity. The people that work here get hurt. They get scared. They just want to do their jobs. They're not here to affect you or hurt you in any way. But we need answers so that they can work in peace with you. What do you need from them? What do you want them to know?

[B]

Muffled voices again.

[A]

Anybody that has the ability or power.

[B]

We're trying.

[A]

Yeah, we're trying to speak over this dominating male presence. Feel free to work together. What is your name?

[B]

John. I hear the name John again.

[A]

Okay, so that was the name that Kate got. John. If we're speaking to you, we just want to honor that and say that we know your name.

[B]

I'm not hearing anything. It's just ecstatic.

[A]

Is everybody gone? Does anybody else want to come and try to speak now that John might have left? We've got possible children here.

[B]

It feels like, though, that there is even. There's some. Maybe some other spirits we haven't even sensed yet or heard from. It's like a little. Like I said, like a little community of them. For whatever reason, they're all settled here, and now they're showing me, like, water. The water.

[A]

There was a flood with a lot of death, and this was the only place left standing. Did you perhaps drown? Did some of you drown in the flood? Any. Any spirit, before we leave, you have the opportunity to speak your piece, deliver any messages, or give us anything you want us to try to do.

[B]

It's too unclear. I'm just. It's. I'm not being able to pick up the words. Yeah, I need to stop.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Was John the male that was angry?

[B]

I just heard the name, and it was like. It was weird. It was like instead of right here, it was like coming from over here. It was almost like it was. Was in that corner of the room, like, separated, just like. I heard somebody say the name from over there. It was just a snatch, but that's the name I wrote down earlier. Yeah, John Federman or Letterman, something like that.

[A]

Okay. During this final Gonsfeld session, the name John came through again for Jeffrey, this time from the upstairs office. It felt especially validating, surfacing once more as the negative male presence appeared to push forward. Another thread that continued to surface in both Kate and Jeffrey's sessions was the sense of a community of spirits and a recurring connection to water. I won't linger on it here, but it's worth remembering the Flooding and deaths tied to this area's history, which we discussed earlier. By this point, everyone was exhausted and we were preparing to wrap for the night. But thankfully, our photographer, Adam, using the gear he had on hand, managed to capture audio of Kate running a session simultaneously out on the patio bar. The recording isn't studio quality, but it offers an unexpected glimpse into what was coming through at the same time.

[C]

There's so many layers to peel back over here. Like, there's a lot. Somebody said the word riff. Riff raff. A lot of riff raff that comes through here. There's some. There's something hiding in the back. It's not related to the property and it bothers guests. There's an odor around it. Riff raff is newer energy. It's more than just one. There are many that come through here. We want them out, we want them gone. I feel bad for that spirit because even though he's angry and erratic, I think he had mental health issues and they weren't addressed and he didn't get the help that he needed. So now he's stuck like that. I think that's the one who's in the attic and, like, walks around a lot.

[A]

Kate's final notes echoed something that we'd been hearing all night. These other presences didn't want the negative male there, the one that seemingly drifted in rather than being tied to the place itself. She also offered her own theories, touching on possible mental health struggles and how that might relate to his behavior. It didn't provide answers, but it added another layer to the growing question of whether multiple psychics were sensing the same oppressive presence from different angles. We wrapped in the early hours of the morning, closing out the first night at moonshine. Exhausted but far from finished, I continued digging into the history, comparing notes, and planning for our return. When we get back from this short break, this investigation will deepen. Stay tuned. If you're looking for one of the easiest and most impactful habits you can implement for your personal health and well being, then you should give AG1 a try. 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Kate sadly ran into a string of car issues on her way up from San Antonio and had to turn back. We also had someone new with us. Sonia, the staff member who chose to share some very personal experiences that she hadn't talked about before, was going to stay late with us tonight and help close up. To start the night, I wanted to send Sarah down to Kinfolk for a solo session, partly to revisit what she'd picked up during her last visit and partly so Sonia could sit and listen, seeing if anything resonated or connected as the session unfolded.

[D]

I think if we're just talking about this particular space, it really was something like an entity coming from this part of the bar right where there was like throwing things there. Something about like water, water leaks or water sprays or something that was going on. Kind of like its impact packing the water here. It doesn't like having things on the end of the bar, so sometimes it'll throw it, explode it. But it's weird because it comes like it's all of a sudden it just forms out of the back side of the bar itself. It's. The energy is different from here to there. I don't think it moves into this room. I think it just stays like right behind me. And it will do something like again, messing with the water sometimes with the people. But it's definitely like this really strange vibration that happens around here. It gets strong, it goes down. It gets strong. It goes down. It's male for sure, but I want to see if he'll look back. And then there's a man with the. That comes in this way that has glasses. I'm just seeing the big smile. Very welcoming. But he's not just here. He also goes upstairs. Very different from this energy. This energy seems just really. I don't know how to explain it. Like, it. Like it's built up or morphed or molded in from something else. It just seems more. I hate to use the word aggressive, but just a little bit more in your face. Right. Versus this other man is very gentle, very welcoming. Like, just really happy to see people. And spends a lot of time when it gets. Gets busy. He spends a lot of time almost wanting to greet people as they walk in and out. And his energy is what you might find in this room. And then I still feel like there's something else over here, some kind of movement. That's all I can feel. But this one's the. I say if I were to say I'm concerned, it would be this one. It would be the way that this one kind of moves, but again, impacting a lot of the water sources here. Moving things, dropping things, throwing things, touching people.

[A]

Okay. And then when you were here last time, I remember you went up to their offices. You did go. You sat. Sat a long time upstairs in the main dining area. And then in the Sunday house. Was there any. Where we're based right now, the Sunday.

[D]

House is just that feminine energy that's up at the top part of the attic. It's just. It feels like a little girl energy, but it doesn't. Like, I don't know. I can't really peg it if that's true or not true. Right. But it's kind of paying attention, looking down at the patrons from the, you know, the cracks in the door from the offices. It was two different entities. It's the woman that was standing. She stands like as you. When you're walking out to the offices and there's that little railway, and she kind of stands kind of facing out, like, right now. It's like she'd be looking at the construction. That's kind of what she'd be looking at. She stands out there, but she can't come into the office space because of the man that's there.

[B]

So.

[D]

And that's the one that I want to concentrate on today. Because he kind of seemed to get get away from me. I kind of. So I'll tell you then that in the dining room, there was that boy that was running around, and he kept saying that he. He was young, kind of a little bit of a troublemaker. And there was just. Just really weird energy in there that you could see in the mirrors, but it just almost didn't Why I say didn't. I didn't like that. It just didn't jive for me. I feel like I was being lied to, if that makes sense. And so, like, there's something about this little boy just being mischievous, just getting into stuff over there with the staff, like, kind of messing with the staff members up there. But there's also something else, something that I was trying to pick up, but I think it's the dude from the office. I'm, like, almost 100% positive because it kept bothering me. I felt like I was being misdirected or wasn't giving the right information. But I. Everything kept saying, go up, like, up into the office space. And I think where we were sitting, I kept being dragged and pulled. So I think it's something that's in the office that's affecting the energy that's in the thing. But that boy, very mischievous again. So I want to focus on the upstairs office. And that one, I think, feels a little bit more. Feels intimidating, but not.

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

I don't know if he's aggressive or not. I can. I can know that by the bathroom. I guess if you're going out the front door of the bathroom, I think is on the side. Side. It would be something like. As you're in the restroom, they would play with the door. Or if you're in the office, the camp. The cameras won't work, or you'll get, like, distracted. Or you'll hear the sounds of heavier footsteps coming in, expecting somebody to come in, but nothing shows up. And you're kind of going, that's weird. But then getting that sensation too. Like something's there with you, but you're not, and it doesn't feel comfortable. It gets to the point where you're like, I'm gonna go downstairs. Or you're happy when somebody comes up, right? You're not alone. So that's kind of like the. The feeling of this man. And the woman's just really quiet. She just likes to look out. But I think she wants to come in the office, and she can't.

[A]

Is that woman mostly bed there? You haven't seen her throughout the.

[D]

I haven't seen her. I've only seen her down in the dining area, kind of the closest to the stairs. So I've only seen her there. She. She doesn't really go past that. I guess the receptionist, little desk that's in the front. She doesn't really go past there. There. And then something else. There's like, another entity that's there. That's also feminine. That runs around as well. But that one's the one. I tell you. I think that was just a. I think it's a passerby because I didn't see it again when we were sitting up there.

[A]

With Sarah's recap finished, a few familiar threads resurfaced. She again described a more oppressive, possibly aggressive male presence of one she felt upstairs in the offices, but also moving down into the dining area. She mentioned feeling deceived or misled, and that sense seemed to be tied to him. That immediately brought me back to the male shadow presence she'd picked up earlier in Kinfolk. Whether these were connected or even the same was still unclear, but it felt important to keep tracking these overlaps as the investigation unfolded, especially knowing more would surface as we continued. I then had Sarah head upstairs and turn to Sonja, asking if anything she'd heard so far had clicked. That's when she shared something new. An experience of a former employee she knew tied to a shadow in Kinfolk. Up to this point, I hadn't heard any reports of a shadow in that space during my interviews. And that's where things shifted again.

[E]

Down here, the shadowy figure. We actually had a bartender years ago named Amber, who. She would not come down here to get wine because it's used to be our wine cellar. She, like, refused because she said that she would see, like, this shadowy, like, a man's figure behind the door whenever she would come down here. So she would never come down here to get bottles of wine to the point where it was, like, kind of frustrating because, you know, we're busy and stuff.

[D]

So.

[A]

But. Yeah, yeah, a couple.

[E]

A lot of that stuff sounded familiar.

[A]

Where was that shadow figure? That doorway or this doorway?

[E]

I want to say this doorway. I believe that's what she was said because this whole thing has been set up different from what it used to be like. I said it used to be like our wine cellar, but I believe the door may have even swung the other way before we make Kinfolk. So behind it right there, I have a very strong relationship with the building itself. So there's, like, something maybe bigger than these individual things that. That I'm. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I'm not super concerned, but it is. It is very. Yeah, it's kind of a. Whoa.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What about the office stuff? Did she get anything? Because we. She spent some time up there, but nothing was, like, nothing directly related to you. But she did say, like, there was an intimidating presence. And I know you kind of Felt that when in your story so many times.

[E]

So that was definitely. But also I felt like that was a female energy. Like, you know, I assumed that was perhaps Catherine or whatever at the time. And then later on, the interaction I had where I got yelled at, essentially, that was from a female. So maybe it could be a weird reading because that just very strong energy, you know, maybe she just had a very strong personality. She could be reading that as male, but definitely, absolutely. Like messing with stuff up there for me when I'm up there by myself and like hearing, thinking that somebody should be coming up there or feeling all of a sudden like I look around there, I'm like, seems like somebody's up here, but nobody is.

[A]

So you do get that. Cuz she mentioned that last time, but I don't remember that being told to me. I know your specific story in the bathroom was like very like that water dripping prior to that though.

[D]

So it starts.

[E]

It always like the. It starts off with just feeling like somebody's watching me or having that kind of uneasy feeling. And then, you know, that's when the other two situations occurred. But yeah, absolutely. I've gotten that feeling so many times now.

[A]

I wanted to find Jeffrey and just get him up to speed before sending him off to explore on his own again. Child energy is definitely felt. So I think I want to have you focus on what child energy energies you were picking up, maybe getting some more details on that. The man. I'm really interested in this man now. It's not relating to this is not 100 validating from staff. But what's wild is like working with y' all three. This male energy that seems a little more like yelling. Yeah. Is coming up. There's definitely connections, but I don't think it's not exact yet. I want to see where you get with it. And then it might be the same energy because Sarah's definitely getting it.

[B]

I think he's on the stairs to the office a lot.

[A]

Okay. Try to spend some time with that energy and the childlike energy. And did you say anything else? What was it? What were the other ones you were really interested in?

[B]

Well, there's the guy at this table right behind you, the 70s guy. I don't sense him right now, but. And then that. That last young girl energy that I kind of came to me after like a day or two after. After when I was at home in there. I don't know why it didn't come to me then, but it. I was just kind of, I guess remote viewing, just thinking about the place, just this young girl. I don't know if she's sad or just quiet, but wandering around. Definitely a young, you know, like, I don't know, 15, 14. 15. Like that. Old enough to be kind of a young woman back then, but definitely in, like, probably early 1900s. Clothes kind of a thing. It's blurry, but she's just. I remember at home when I sensed her the first time, feeling like there was a sadness to her, kind of a melancholy. Maybe it was just, you know, teenage angst. I don't know. But not like, oh, I've been to my murder. Nothing dramatic. Just this sort of very quiet, sort of gray sadness to her side.

[A]

That's why I want to go back.

[B]

In there and see if I pick.

[A]

Up on her again.

[B]

But the stock on the stairs and the yelling and all that, I definitely got from that office. Stairs going up to that level from, you know, from the outside. And then I do have in my notes about noises coming from that office when nobody's in there.

[A]

But. Yeah, hang on. Around here, we can go down to the Kinfolk space as well, because there is a lot of reports down there.

[B]

That energy is way different, but it's below ground. There's something about that water running right there.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. And I want to get. If you spend more. If you spend any more time and you want to. That, like, what you might pick up there. I need her. You said you saw, like, a male, a shadow. Was it male, female? You can't tell. That's maybe what I would. I would love to see if you pick up, like, energy, like what type of masculine or feminine. Feminine.

[B]

Inside that tasting room with all the bottles.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's different than the lounge area.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's something about path passing through that stone arch that goes through there.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

We should. You should come down with me because I was down there a long time by myself last time, and I. I didn't get frightened, but I got creeped.

[A]

Out a little bit.

[B]

But I made myself stay and. But it would be interesting to come down there and document.

[A]

Yeah. Sarah had spent some time reading the spaces as well and was now sitting in the main dining area. So I went to check in with her, but also share a small amount of info with her as well. Well, to guide her on her quest tonight, I started with talking to her about what she was picking up in Kinfolk. There's lots of reports down there. They vary. You're picking up on something that is the vibe of what you're picking up is what Is been felt. I think what's going on is they may not. They attribute it to female. I don't know. They all do look at, man.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But let's. Let's just try to, like, go and just. That one's what I want to focus on. Now, Jeffrey doesn't know that I held back information because he wasn't getting as much. But I will share with you that he was getting uncomfortable down there with energy. He's like. I don't know how to describe it, but I don't get scared because I was kind of like, nervous and almost didn't want to be down there on my own. So that's why I didn't spend that.

[B]

Much time down there.

[A]

So he's definitely getting something. But he didn't get as much as you did as far as the, like, seeing it. He did see. He said there's something separate that's not bad. That goes into the back. Whiskey. And that's what you said about the happy guy. And that thing just stays focused more in the bar area. You told me the darker. Which is kind of lining up the little stairwell.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Whatever that little bar thing is.

[A]

But I. I'm not gonna give Jeffrey because he hasn't spent much time down there. So I want to. He wants to. He might want to do his Estes down there. I kind of want to see if anything lines up. So don't share anything that you've got with him yet, But I'll let you know that. Also, I think we should focus on that upstairs area. Yeah. That dude. Because it's weird how there are validating things that both you and Jeffrey are getting. And then Sonia was like, yeah, the. There's definitely like some truth that again, they're. They're still believe the same one in the kinfolk is this woman up in the office. So we need to really figure out, like, who is it really.

[D]

She can't go into the office.

[A]

Yeah. And see, it's weird how you were seeing a woman on the stairs out there. I think Jeffrey is too, if I'm not mistaken. And they. They know the name because there's a name in history here that's really prominent and they all refer to her as that. But again, we're here to try to get to the bottom of who the spiritually are, what's attributed to them. And that lady, though, swears like. She's like, no, this one. I know for a fact it is female because she had one instance that. That she's like. I cannot deny that it Was female.

[D]

Doesn't. Doesn't mean that there wasn't a fema.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

It just means this aggressive one. That's not it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So they're not the same. Okay, so that woman, I've only seen her in the dining area and the stairwell right up towards the office and in that little balcony space. But once you kind of start turning that corner to get into the office itself, she can't go. Go past. There's like a. Almost. It seems like a barrier there.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

That she can't go in there.

[A]

At this point in the investigation, I'm trying to gain clarity to see whether the spirits and presences being described can be connected through overlapping reports and independent readings, or whether they're actually separate entities altogether. One thing that's important to note is the contrast between witness reports and what the mediums themselves are independently picking up. Sarah, Jeffrey, and Kate, working separately, each sensed a more negative male presence most strongly tied to the upstairs office area. Yet many of the historical reports and staff experiences tend to attribute activity to either Catherine or to the more playful energy often linked to a little girl. In Kate's case, she described this male presence as watching staff and making them feel uncomfortable. Impressions that surfaced during her own session without any knowledge of what the others were experiencing. Even when I shared limited context, you'll hear that the mediums don't bend their impressions to fit the story. They hold firm in what they're seeing and sensing, often before knowing that another medium has described something similar. That consistency and the way they respond when presented with information is one of the ways I evaluate authenticity in this kind of work. We're not operating in a lab or controlled environment, so part of the investigation has to include examining human behavior itself. Reactions, hesitation, confidence, and motivation alongside whatever else may be happening in the space. That's the lens I'm using as I move forward. At this point, I decided it was time to change the structure of the investigation. For the first time, I wanted to place Sarah and Jeffrey into an experiment simultaneously, Both working inside kinfolk, but still completely isolated from one another. Jeffrey was set up using a hybrid method. Ganzfeld goggles paired with the spirit box through headphones. Sarah, meanwhile, was placed under a traditional Estes method, blindfolded, with a spirit box running through her headphones. Even though they were in the same space, neither could hear each other, and neither could hear us. Any impressions or responses would have to come through independently. We're here to communicate with the energy or a couple of energies that might actually reside in Kinfolk area. Of this building. There's been a couple of energies that report that are felt here. Especially one that's more aggressive. Possibly.

[D]

I'm getting a. Help me. I got it twice. Help me. Help.

[A]

Two helps there three.

[D]

Something about a journey.

[B]

Death.

[A]

She's on death FM Reverse. Okay people. Who needs help? Can you.

[D]

I'm. I'm no one.

[A]

Are you responsible for the accidents?

[D]

Is this the way that you want to see me? I'm seeing like mist forming halt. And it's coming off of my right shoulder.

[A]

We just need to get to the bottom of who or what.

[D]

It's literally going what you are. I'm right there. Can you feel me?

[A]

Wait. Show yourself to us. Do something. We need to get answers for who you are. And let us introduce ourselves because we're. We're actually people that try to help both people on your side and people on our side. Poor. I'm Steven.

[D]

Can you get it?

[A]

That's Franklin over there. And this is.

[D]

I won't leave.

[A]

We don't kick you out. We just need to know why you're here and what you're doing and why you're doing things.

[D]

I'm that black cloud.

[B]

Whiskey. Yeah.

[A]

We're in a room full of whiskey. The black cloud.

[D]

I'm getting a stop in the background. It's far though.

[A]

You want us to stop doing this session.

[D]

He's moving off me. Moving away from me. Hang on.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Where are you going?

[D]

I can hear you. You need to speak up.

[B]

Lips.

[D]

I keep getting. Help me more. Help me on the journey image.

[A]

Can you let us know who's down here that could be causing things to break. Is that you?

[D]

Fate I'm here.

[B]

Or fake.

[A]

So you're here. Are you causing the things to break?

[D]

It looks. Looks. This is a woman.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Is the woman with.

[D]

Don't talk to her. I need to isolate these spirits a bit. They're running into each other.

[B]

Don't. Don't like something.

[D]

One at a time. Only one.

[A]

We're here to help.

[D]

I'm all over this place. All right. Well then I'll focus only on you.

[A]

Yes. Who's the one that's all over the place?

[D]

I'm 100% yes. And I don't want to leave.

[A]

So no one said you had to leave. So why are you telling us you want to leave or you don't want to leave?

[D]

There's still that Help me in the background.

[B]

Round pits. So we're getting stocks.

[D]

Two spirits giving and Stop giving me.

[A]

Stop giving you Water.

[D]

Water.

[A]

Water. Can you check to See if they put anything in there. Cuz we're supposed to.

[D]

No. I am everywhere.

[A]

Oh. Do you know they didn't give you anything today. That's not our fault. But what is it that you want?

[D]

Stop.

[B]

Don't work with him.

[D]

Multi.

[A]

Fear.

[D]

Everywhere fear. Hi.

[A]

Hello.

[D]

I'm not like him. This is a different face. Her feminine face. Smaller, longer hair. She looks very similar to the woman from upstairs.

[A]

Right? Okay. We're trying to communicate with any spirit that really needs to get in your place.

[D]

She said this is my dad's place.

[A]

So Catherine's dad owned this place. That's the woman that everyone thinks it is.

[D]

I'm seeing trees.

[B]

Central.

[A]

Can you give us a name?

[D]

Can you get me? Come to get me.

[A]

Where are you? Why can't you come here?

[B]

Faith, stay with us with something.

[D]

Wait.

[A]

We will. We'll stick with you. Right now we're only allowing this female presence to come through.

[D]

What's wrong?

[A]

No, we don't want to talk to you. We want to talk to the female presence since you won't tell us anything. We're talking to the female presence.

[B]

Don't run.

[A]

No, we're not running. This is the female. Come back to us first.

[D]

Will you let them speak, please?

[A]

We've got Jeffrey Fun and we've got Sarah here.

[D]

Let them speak.

[A]

That you can talk through. They both have the ability to hear you and communicate your words to us. And we can document those and get your story.

[D]

I'm literally getting no stations. It's just a block of white noise.

[A]

Fine. Still white noise. Can you hear me? Want the woman to come back again?

[D]

It's just cycling through white noise. There's no other stuff. Station. Wait.

[B]

Freak. Stop.

[D]

Come. Stay. Where? Stay with me.

[A]

Who's talking to us? Can you give us your name?

[B]

This is Sarah.

[D]

I grew up here.

[A]

I know. I. I want to get your name, though. Who are you?

[D]

I want them to stop.

[A]

What? What do you want them to stop? Who's doing what?

[B]

Minutes.

[A]

Okay, we're gonna end this session in 10. 10 seconds. Please get anything across that you need to get across and where we need to go next. We're gonna move up to the office.

[D]

More white noise.

[A]

10, 9, 8, 7, 6.

[D]

Hold on.

[A]

How many more seconds?

[B]

More aggressive than ever.

[D]

Interrupting.

[A]

Okay, who's interrupting?

[B]

It's stuck on one channel.

[D]

White noise. Hold on. This is my place.

[B]

He said left.

[A]

Okay, we're gonna end this session for real this time. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

[D]

It felt so far away. And then I was Getting blocks of just white noise. White. Like it wasn't even cycling through stations every so often.

[A]

That's weird because it was cycling the whole time. Yeah. I was looking at it when you said that.

[D]

It just would just go. And then I would stop and go. And then.

[B]

Mine was like that, too, in part.

[D]

And then in the very far distance, it kind of felt like it was coming from somewhere else. I could hear. I hold. I heard Help me my three or four keys times.

[B]

I heard Help Faith. I heard death over and over and over.

[A]

There was talk of the figures and stuff in the female and a male. Did you. How many voices did you hear? Like, was it all male? Was there mix?

[B]

There was. It was mostly male, but different. There was a strong young voice that came through with Death and Faith. A young man. I heard a young. A woman. You know, just like average age, I guess. Not old, not young.

[A]

A woman.

[B]

A couple of times, but because everything was kind of muffled. And then every once in a while, something would be clear. Like they popped out and said something.

[D]

But. Yeah, and the spaces were. I'd get images, which was weird. Like, I got one image of somebody almost looked like they were standing in front of me and they were pointing towards. Like they could say would be pointing towards Jeffrey. And then there was this other. I could feel that it was coming on. And that's when everything would just go static. Just static. Like nothing. I couldn't hear anything.

[A]

But that's all.

[D]

But the images kept coming in during that time, and it was. There were really odd images. Except for the one woman that I recognized, and that is the lady from upstairs.

[B]

Okay. Mostly. And, well, I kind of saw faces. When I would hear the voice, I would kind of see, like, the. Like a woman in her 20s that was going, help. And then the deep voice. But the young man was probably also in his 20s. I didn't hear anybody super old or. I didn't hear any children. Not that I. Parts of it are already fading, but I could hear they were words, but they were so fast. It was almost like there was. At times it felt like I was standing in a room just full of people yelling at me all at one time or something.

[A]

During this first joint session with Sarah and Jeffrey, a familiar pattern began to surface almost immediately. A female presence came through at times clearly asking for help. And both mediums picked up on it independently. What stood out was how distinct the voices and tones felt. You could hear when the female presence was trying to come through. And just as clearly when the male presence would push in in both sessions, there was a sense that he wasn't happy about her speaking, as if he were attempting to interrupt or suppress her. This echoed what we'd already been hearing other spirits reacting negatively to the male presence, trying to work around him and describing him as someone who keeps others from communicating. Hearing that same dynamic emerge again, this time in a shared experiment, made it hard to ignore. When we get back from this short break, this investigation will deepen. Stay tuned. I want to thank Loomy Gummies for sponsoring this episode of the Night Owl Podcast. Consistent, mellow and super delicious, Lume Gummies are specifically designed to make you feel good, not stoned. Whether you're looking for an end of day de stressor or a midday mood boost, Lume Gummies has a strain that's right for you. There are a ton of edible gummy products out there for you to choose from, but I'd like to tell you why Lume Gummies is the right choice for me. I absolutely love the fact that Lume Gummies are made from the highest quality organic ingredients, are vegan friendly, gluten free and infused with real fruit. Lumi Gummies start with organic us grown hemp from a small family of farmers so the quality and safety of the product is ensured. If you care about the quality of the products that go into your body like I do, then Lumi Gummies might be right for you as well. After a long, stressful day and knowing that I still have several hours of podcast work to look forward to, I need something to take the stress away but not leave me spaced out or unable to concentrate on the work at home hand. I can take one sour strawberry cookies gummy and not only does the stress melt away, but I remain clear headed, attentive and more creative. This particular gummy is a balanced hybrid that is designed to soothe tension while still keeping you alert and clear minded. With those types of results and delicious taste of ripe strawberries with a hint of citrus, it's just what I need for a productive yet relaxing evening. If you're looking for a gummy that's consistent with, has smooth effects, zero weird aftertaste, and is delicious to boot, why not give Lumi Gummies a try? Lumi Gummies are available nationwide. Go to lumigummies.com that's L U M I gummies.com and use Code Night Owl for 30% off your order. Again, that's L U M I gums.com Code Night Owl lumigummies.com Code Night Owl next I took Sarah upstairs for a Solo walkthrough of the office area. The same space she'd been repeatedly drawn to when sensing this more negative male presence. Oh, he has all the power stuff.

[D]

This is the spot. Like, here's this door, and then the bathroom door. He's like. Right. This is where he stands. It's almost like he doesn't really mess with people in here. It's in here. This is the spot.

[A]

Okay, we're moving back to the back. Back office spot with the security doors.

[D]

This is kind of like he likes being in here and then messing with the people that go to the restroom up here. And it'll be something like, if they're in the restroom, they'll get. They'll get this.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Sensation.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Someone's gonna come in. Or the feeling that someone's walked out. Like, if you're sitting in here, if you're sitting there, you're almost expecting somebody to walk out and see you.

[A]

Okay. This is a different energy than the Kinfolk speakeasy.

[D]

This is different.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

This is completely different.

[A]

But male.

[D]

But male. Okay. So it's more like I'm just being watched, or I know I'm not here by myself, even though I am by myself. That's the kind of feeling that you would get. Some brushes. He tries not to touch people, but sometimes he does specific people.

[A]

Sarah immediately began narrowing in on specific areas. She felt the male presence was most active in the hallway, the bathroom, and the back office with the security monitors, but notably not in the shared office used by Jordan and Devin. She also made an important distinction. While the energy here felt negative and unsettling, she believed it was different from the shadow presence she had briefly encountered in Kinfolk. Whether that meant a different manifestation or a separate presence altogether was still unclear, but the distinction is important to note now. I decided to let Sarah move off on her own to continue reading the areas that she felt drawn to while I took Jeffrey back toward the upstairs office. As we were heading up, Jeffrey stopped me on the stairs. Before we even reached the office, he said he was strongly sensing the negative male presence right there out in the stairwell itself.

[B]

The energy just changed. Right here, right here, right here.

[A]

So we're coming up the stairs to the admin offices. So this one has, like, the yelling man energy, you said?

[B]

Yeah, and I think it's him. And they're banging stuff, kind of making noise, like when nobody's supposed to be in here and the door is locked or whatever. But I think they hear noise from the inside of the office.

[A]

Jeffrey and I came up to the main admin offices. We're in the main office with the security cameras monitor. Just update me on what you're feeling up here again.

[B]

Well, I'm just kind of acclimating, but I still feel like I remember the first time we were here feeling like someone stomping down the stairs. And that's when I got the sense of the yelling guy and his stuff like move it, go. You know, really impatient, like yelling at people like they work for him or something like that. And then I still wonder if people have reported hearing noises in the offices here when nobody's in here. You know, like when they're on the outside of the door coming in, feel sounds like somebody's already in here, but they're not. But that's pretty much it. I mean, there's all kinds of weird twists back here. It feels like. Feels different right here. Like maybe he hangs out back here or something.

[A]

Any more on his like appearance at all?

[B]

Well, the first time we were here it was. He was kind of like a black shadow. Like he was in a suit suit, but he was all in shadow. But now it feels like he's. He's not heavy, not, he's not thin, he's, you know, average bill. But it feels like he's probably 50, in his 50s maybe. I'm saying, you know, like his head's all crinkled up from yelling and I want to go in this other office here.

[A]

Yeah, we're moving into the Jordan and Devin's office.

[B]

Feels different in here. Feels quieter in here. But this is the one where I wondered if somebody heard like the chair moving and stuff like that especially I remember when we came here the first time this. It felt like it was this chair like, you know, moving around.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Stuff like that. Maybe that's kind of the noise, cuz it's not always banging. It's like someone's in here working or something. But no one's in here, right?

[A]

Yeah. Just note this is Jordan's chair. Just from my own reference. Okay.

[B]

It doesn't feel like this side so much. It feels like for some reason it.

[D]

Felt like that chair.

[B]

I don't remember if I did or not, but something made me want to come and like sit in this chair and roll around back and forth in it. You know, like people like you do when you're sitting in a desk chair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't remember if I did or not, but I remember wanting to sit in this chair and move around with like. Maybe it's the energy drawing into it.

[A]

Yeah, but this energy is not that man out there.

[B]

It's different. It doesn't feel all angry, intense. So if it is him, he calms down when he comes in here. But it could be another energy. I know I'm not getting a face, but he likes those stairs. He likes that door. I think I remember had heard the.

[D]

Light.

[B]

On the door, like someone was trying to get out when they were trying to open it. You know, just to like scare people. He's definitely all in here. All in here. But this room feels. That might be the kid. Now I'm hearing that giggly moon can like something more playful and twirling around in the chair like a kid would do. It almost feels like that might be the childlike energy.

[A]

Is it a different child energy? I can't remember. You had the one in the loft in the Sunday house, Dad.

[B]

I don't know if it was even human. It presented as like the figure of a little boy.

[A]

This one is.

[B]

Now I'm wondering if. When I was downstairs earlier just thinking about things, trying to just pick up on stuff, I felt like I heard a little girl giggling and running around and stuff like that.

[A]

So.

[B]

But I don't think the shadow thing in the loft was actually a boy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think it was just the size of a boy more than anything else.

[A]

Childlike energy is very much believed and felt in this one. Out here they've had more uncomfortable feelings. So you're kind of getting. I don't think they know what this is. I believe they all attribute it to female.

[B]

Out here, he thinks it's funny. They don't know what's happening. He's like hahaha. Like, like just a jerk.

[A]

Good.

[B]

I don't want him to know it's me, you know, it's like he's contrary no matter what, you know.

[A]

And this guy does go other places. This is not the only place he hangs out, the one for you.

[B]

I know he's down there on the stairs. That's the only place I ever really sensed him.

[A]

I. These stairs are the stairs to the. To the kinfolk.

[B]

No, these stairs. These stairs coming up.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. To me at least right now it still feels like everything is very compartmentalized, you know, different parts of the building. I mean, this is, I'm assuming, where people once maybe lived upstairs. Although it's not very big. But like the girl I feel like might have been connected with the family that owned the place when it was like a store or something. The main building, this one, the main part of the restaurant. I'm not sure where the little girl comes from or where this guy comes from. I don't know if there are passers by that stay. I feel like the. The loft area was some sort of like a barn or a store, that kind of a thing. There was stuff up there, you know, the. Whatever that entity was hiding in. But it's on almost like every different building is a separate location. And then there's all that hubbub in the middle where the, you know, that open eating area is. And right in front of the patio bar. But I think again, it. I keep getting all these overlappiness of like, you know, I mean, parts of it kind of look like the clay pit with the limestone walls. And then the guy, you know, I. I'm saying the guy looks kind of 70s because he's got longish hair and a mustache. Mustache. But his suit could be from any time. It's just a man's suit, so it may not be that old.

[A]

The patio bar guy.

[B]

The patio bar guy. Yeah. I just feel like he came here to drink and he liked to like meet clients here or something like that. It's almost like maybe it's just a loop because that's all I ever get from him.

[A]

And just so I kind of get a clear. Because I'm. I'm working with you answer. I'm trying to separate my. To be clear, I want to make sure I got the smart spirits in the right location. So you've got the thing that presents as a child or feels like the size of a child. You thought originally a boy in the loft in the Sunday house. Yes. Then we have these possibly 70s, but that's just the look of the facial hair. Patio bar guy. We have the more angry, agitated male presence, which is a lot here. And on the stairwell leading up here, we have possibly child energy in this dual office. Off to the side in this office area, you did mention an adolescent girl.

[B]

I'm thinking it might be her.

[A]

That might be her in here too. And you felt her?

[B]

I just kept getting an image of her by stairs. I don't know if it's this stair. I feel like she might move around. But everyone else seems kind of like attached to their certain places.

[A]

What about in Kinfolk? What's that lost there a little bit?

[B]

It's just a different vibe down there. I did see sense like a shadow peeking around when I was. The first time I was there, when I was alone, I was in the tasting room. And so it would have been out in the lounge. Area. And it just kind of. It came around from the side where the bar is, though. You know, where that little area is. And it was just. Just.

[A]

And it was more, like, shadowy.

[B]

Yeah, it was just like some. Like a head and shoulders. Couldn't really see much more, but the. The archway between the two rooms. And I still feel like I can feel those stones just kind of vibrating down there. But I'm trying to remember what I felt. It felt. It just feels different in the tasting room than it does from the lounge area. There's a different energy in there. I mean, it's a different kind of room you're not used to going into, but I don't. There's just a hush. There's a hush comes over the energy when you walk into that room. It's not the same as it is, you know, two feet away in the lounge area. It's weird. It's hard to pinpoint down their motives for being here.

[A]

Yeah. Jeffrey stayed consistent with what he'd been reporting all along. The negative male, the one he refers to as the yelling man, was clearly present in the upstairs office area. But what stood out was how precisely he separated the energies. Without prompting, Jeffrey identified Jordan and Devin's office as feeling different, distinct from the heavier presence nearby. He placed the negative male not in that room, but in the hallway, the bathroom, and the back office, exactly where Sarah had just identified him. Jeffrey also noted that the little girl presence he'd briefly sensed earlier felt more aligned with the shared office, describing a playful energy in there moving the chair, giggling rather than anything threatening. One final detail stood out. When I shared limited information about staff attributing activity in the hallway to a woman, Jeffrey reacted immediately. He said the male presence just laughed, finding it amusing that people were being misled into thinking it was someone else. Even then, Jeffrey didn't adjust his impressions. He held firm to what he was seeing as well. It had been a whirlwind of readings, and I was doing my best to keep track of everything. But moving forward, a few things stood out as worth focusing. The female presence, the negative male, and the shadow in kinfolk. And whether those were separate or somehow connected, kept pulling at my attention. Other spirits that had surfaced earlier, the mustached man in the patio bar, the man with the glasses, even the teenage boy that Sarah had been drawn to so strongly during her first investigation felt far less present tonight. What was consistent were the stronger energies that seemed to be interacting with one another and just as noticeably pushing against each other. We still had time left, and with investigations like this. You never know where things might lead. Jeffrey and I made our way back down to the main dining area, and it was here that he stopped to tell me he was seeing things more clearly. Now, regarding the young girl. This is the adolescent female. Yes, adolescent female walking kind of from the back door that leads to the office stairs through the main entrance area where the host station is. And this is kind of the area that Jeffrey sees her roam a little bit more. And he's not sure if she also makes it up the stairs and plays in that office room. Possibly. Oh, it's not the same. Okay, now you're. Now you're saying it's not older girl.

[B]

Here, like 15 or 16.

[A]

Okay. And then that younger is a younger.

[B]

One up there or the little girl is the one that was on, like pushing the chair around.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Little office area. And I feel like she might run up and down the stairs to the kinfolk. She seems to be the one that moves around. Everyone else is kind of in one spot. She likes peeking. Peeking around.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Stickers.

[A]

This is where an important clarification came through for Jeffrey. He described two distinct young female energies. Not one. The first was a little girl, roughly five to eight years old, playful in nature. He felt her most strongly in the upstairs shared office, as mentioned before, but also believed that she moved freely throughout this entire property. The second felt different to him, a more melancholy adolescent girl, like in her early teens. That presence appeared only briefly and only in the dining area and. And the stairs leading up to the offices. With that distinction noted, I let Jeffrey head back to the Sunday house and went to find Sarah, bringing her back into the dining room area for a solo check in of her own.

[D]

This one, I'm going to call him Benjamin because it's the name that just kept coming up. He's more modern.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

It almost seems like maybe he was tied to a person that used to work here and was constantly going, like maybe going to visit in the office or something like that. That and still has that echo of time going in there. So I'm not quite sure if it's. They're tied to them because they were related to them somehow and maybe have passed or something, but then took a liking to the place and he's just stayed there. And so he's mostly in the office and maybe comes down here to the dining area, but mostly stays up in the office area. This little girl just popped in.

[A]

Who's that one?

[D]

So she's maybe about 13 or 14 years old, maybe, or somewhere out there. I could Be off maybe by a couple of years. But she's coming across as very, very sick. She was sick for a long period of time. But she keeps saying I stayed in the bedroom up there. I was in the upstairs bedroom. She keeps saying that there was rooms up there. So I'm not quite sure why she keeps reflecting back in there. But she's still. She's. I think she might have even. Maybe she died in the house or has a fondness of being to able in the house or something. But she is weighing that, like, sick. I was sick for a really long time. Had to be taken care of kind of thing. She really couldn't go outside a lot. Right. That kind of stuff. And was sick and in the framework and she's. But she's like floating around here. But she keeps saying, oh, yeah, I'm up here. But it was closer to where I was sitting. So I feel like there should have been a bedroom like just above us. Okay. Right. Or maybe that second half of the office was a bedroom before or something like that. It kind of feels like. But she's like, I was there. Like that was my room and she was the. She was the little girl, I think that voice that I heard and the Estes that said, this is my dad's place. And this lady just kind of seems like she was either like a caregiver or something. She was constantly working, it seems. Okay. And that just seemed to be like the getaway spot, right. To kind of sit on the balcony and get away from a lot of stuff. Right. And she does come down. She comes down to this, to that patio, to that dining room just underneath the staircase. Underneath the staircase, going to the office. But that's about this. That's like kind of where she stays. She doesn't really move around a lot.

[A]

Where does she go? Is she just upstairs or she.

[D]

No, she actually. She can go anywhere.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

So she's pretty much like, I. Which freaked me out because she kind of just came beat bumping. I was like, what the. She's like, oh, yeah. Like this is like very comfortable with.

[A]

Not the same as the one in the loft of the Sunday house.

[D]

No. Okay. Not the same. This is a completely different child.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

And she's just kind of like, yeah, I can go anywhere. I can do whatever. And she kind of like. And she does. She walks around like she's very comfortable being in the space. Okay. So she kind of bebops everywhere. That other boy, he's here, but he's been a little hard to grab.

[B]

Okay, Right.

[D]

The little boy from last time.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

He hasn't really shown up as much, so I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happened. But none of the other spirits didn't show up today. So I think that was more of a. Yeah. Maybe just an echo or something that was left.

[A]

And then the only other thing is the. The confusion of this energy and the kin folk.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not sure if that's clearing up at all.

[D]

Not for me. Just this man. There's this man again. He just popped into my face all happy and jovial, very welcoming. But this is him that I see downstairs. Okay.

[A]

Which one is the more mean or aggressive? That one is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

He's a little bit more of an aggressive.

[A]

And where again is his area that he's.

[D]

That's upstairs. That's in the office.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

But he's heavy in that small, little weird air. Like as soon as you walk in. Right. The hall, that little weird little hallway and that. He's mostly there. Mostly there. And he does like to like move in on people who are in the offices, right? Not as much. I think there's something about this going on the left. The one on the. As soon as you walk in and you go left. I think there's something that keeps him from going in there. And I think it's her. I think it's the little girl. But he's mostly likes to. With people that are in the other one. Right. The one that has the camera. The cameras and all of that. And that's the one where he either looms a little bit, throws things sometimes. Right. Drops things, or makes the sound of something dropping. The heavy kind of like foot falls in the hallway that kind of make people look out. But definitely the bathroom thing. Like there's something about as soon as somebody goes in that bathroom, he's like, yeah, I'm going to go with him.

[A]

Oh, wow. What Sarah had just revealed was especially intriguing. The sick teenage girl she described aligned in several ways with what Jeffrey had been picking up. This illness that Sarah sensed could help explain the sadness and melancholy Jeffrey had been reading in that presence. There were also some notable overlaps. Sarah described sensing a female presence on the stairs to the office who could move down into the main dining area, the same area where Jeffrey had briefly encountered the adolescent girl. While both were picking up on a female moving between the stairs in the dining room, their impressions differed. Sarah perceived a young woman or caregiver, while Jeffrey experienced a melancholy teenage girl. At the same time, both agreed that there were younger Female energies. The teenage girl for Sarah and a little girl for Jeffrey seemed to move freely throughout the property. There were still discrepancies, however. Sarah felt this teenage energy in the shared office, while Jeffrey was clear that the energy there belonged to a separate entity altogether. The young little girl, around five to eight years old. Even so, both were independently sensing new presences with overlapping locations and emotional traits. We still hadn't resolved anything, but this added another layer to a pattern that was becoming harder to dismiss. Sarah also clarified that the teenage boy she'd connected with earlier was far more in the background tonight and that the man with the glasses was present but didn't seem to need to come through in any way like he had before. Lastly, Sarah offered more clarity on the negative male presence in the upstairs office. She received the name Benjamin. She wasn't fully certain of its accuracy, but for clarity moving forward, she chose to refer to him by that name. At this time, I left Sarah to explore some more and took Jeffrey to the upstairs shared office to put him under a Ganzfeld with brown noise. Okay, we're rolling. We're in Jordan and Devin's office upstairs.

[B]

Oh yeah, I'm definitely seeing the little girl Jeffrey's under. Just like a picture.

[A]

Jeffrey's under Gansfield with brown noise.

[B]

She looks blonde. She's poking her head out. She's going like, shooing, giggling. Just like little girl playing stuff. Why don't you tell me what you want?

[A]

Who is this that we're speaking to now? Note it's Franklin and Alexis in the background.

[B]

I don't have time for you.

[A]

Well, who are we speaking to now? So we have the little girl.

[B]

Wise ass.

[A]

So see, this is that guy. This is the one that everyone's talking about out there. What's your name? Let's introduce ourselves.

[B]

See the guy, the cranky guy, he's got like a toothpick in his mouth. He's always watching everybody.

[A]

What's your name?

[B]

Why aren't you working?

[A]

Why do you care if I'm working? Why do you hang out in the hallway? He's.

[B]

He started to say, like, I'm here because I own the place, but he doesn't own the place. He wants to own the place.

[A]

Did he used to own the place?

[B]

Should have been mine. Whatever that means. Now I'm picking up on the sad. The teenager from downstairs. And he tried to interact with her, but she ran from him. The other spirits don't like him.

[A]

Who is he? Can y' all help us figure out who he is?

[B]

The little Girl, the little girls I go all over. She's singing. Maybe like London Bridge or something.

[A]

This is Franklin, Alexis, Steven, and this is Jeffrey. You're talking through. Can you tell us your name?

[B]

Trying to focus on the guy again. Why are you angry?

[A]

Who is this male? Talk to us. Alexis is trying to open up so he can bring your energy in here.

[B]

No one can do anything, right. Very angry. Banging. Banging things.

[A]

Does the name Benjamin mean anything to you?

[B]

I don't want to be questioned.

[A]

Okay, well, we. We can stop.

[B]

Wise ass.

[A]

We're trying to figure out if there's anything you need or want. You can say it right now. We can tell the people that work here. What do you want us to tell them?

[B]

It's all gone quiet now. I'm not really picking anything up anymore.

[A]

You were getting. I mean, it looked like you were getting the male energy again. You got the yellow girl energy.

[B]

The little girl, yeah.

[A]

You said there was an adolescent, too.

[B]

The young, the woman. The sort of sad girl down there from downstairs. It felt like for a minute, I was. There was a time when maybe she was on the stairs and he. He was trying to, like, be nice to her, but she was like, get away from me. And so she doesn't come up here anymore. She won't come up on the stairs anymore. He was. It wasn't super predatory, but it was still creepy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know, kind of a thing, but he's just mad. He wants to own the place. He wants to run the place. But he. But he didn't.

[A]

Okay. The little girl in here, did she. Did you get any other one?

[B]

She just giggled a lot, and she was just like this bright white light. She's just this innocence. And I think they, you know, don't really try to hurt her. He doesn't bother her or anything, but she comes and goes around, but she's just this very innocent kind of energy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Sorry. Bless her little heart.

[A]

During this session, Jeffrey spoke in the voice of the male presence and said, I'm always watching. That line landed hard because it immediately echoed what Kate had described the night before in her session in Kinfolk. She'd visualize a negative male presence looming over staff, watching them from the upstairs offices and making the space feel uncomfortable. A moment later, Geoffrey added something else. The other spirits don't like him. He said that too. Aligned closely with Kate's experience, she had described a group of spirits led by a female presence who actively opposed this male and wanted him gone. Hearing Geoffrey independently voice the same dynamic without knowledge of Kate's Impressions was one of those moments where patterns began to sharpen rather than blur. But at this moment, I pulled team member Franklin aside because he apparently had something happen to him during this session. We're still in the office, Jordan and Devin's office. But while we were doing the Estes with Jeffrey, Franklin might have had something happen. So I wanted to document it. I just felt like something touched the back of my neck. There was nothing. No, you weren't doing that ac vent way. No, I stood here the whole time. Okay. And it was right around the time that he was getting agitated. Agitated and calling people wise ass. Wise ass. There's one more detail I want to pause on here. During our first investigation, Franklin put himself under an Estes session up in the loft of the Sunday house. I didn't include the audio from that session in the episode, but I did include him recapping his experience afterward. What stands out now is that Franklin is the only person on our team outside of the mediums who reported being physically touched. During Franklin's session in that loft, he had described dealing with a very angry, aggressive male presence and said he was touched repeatedly to the point that it made him uncomfortable. At the time, I didn't know if that experience was connected to anything else we were uncovering. But given what's continued to surface around a dominant, oppressive male presence, it felt important to acknowledge it here again, even if it remains unsolved. By this point, it was around 1am and everyone, including our mediums, were feeling the strain of a long night. To wrap things up, I brought Sarah up to the shared office and had her undergo one final session using the Gansfeld method right in the same chair. Jeffrey had just used Jordan's chair. All right, again, we're now with. This is Sarah. This is not.

[D]

We had Jeffrey, there's a. Hello with a question mark.

[B]

Hello, there's Sarah.

[A]

This is Franklin. Alexis, Steven. Again, we really want to communicate with the man who resides up here a lot.

[D]

Where's the other man?

[A]

Oh, Jeffrey.

[D]

Jeffrey just left getting numbers.

[A]

Hey, share something with us that we can use.

[D]

Like name 1989.

[A]

Is this relating to the man here?

[D]

I don't know. I'm getting something like five years. And then Benjamin.

[A]

Benjamin was the name that she got for the guy here over and over and over again. Benjamin. Is that your name?

[D]

Everything's turning white. Hold on. It's like he's taking somewhere.

[A]

Are you the reason why people hear things?

[D]

She used to sit here. Here. She used to be here.

[A]

Who used to sit here?

[D]

I just like this place. I like to watch them sometimes. I don't mean to hurt anybody.

[A]

Okay. Who is this? Who is this? Alexis went out there. Can you say hi to Alexis?

[D]

Such a weird. He's saying, I don't know about all that, man.

[A]

You don't know about the activity that we're talking about. There's door jingling, there's knocking, there's footsteps.

[D]

He keeps. I like it here. But I don't want to leave. But she's not here anymore. The girl that used to sit here in this chair.

[A]

Maybe an employee that's no longer here.

[D]

Feels like brother. I'm seeing a woman's face. I don't know, red hair. He's like looking at her.

[A]

Okay. I'm being noted that cuz there might be. I think Sarah was saying there could be a staff member. That a male presence came in with someone that was.

[D]

Sometimes I like to throw things in the office so they know that I'm here.

[A]

Why do you want to get their attention?

[D]

But it's fun.

[A]

Can you do that for us now and show us that you're here? Can you make a noise in this office or in the upstairs part of this building?

[D]

I'm getting a number like a four. I see it really clearly.

[A]

There's four of us here right now.

[D]

Can you say no is the answer.

[A]

Can you say any of our names?

[D]

There's two things going on. There's one that's a man and then there's like a small. It's far away. So I don't know if they're small or just far away from me. Like a woman. He's pushing her away. This is my space. She shouldn't come in here. Did you find. Oh, I lost it. Say that again. He's showing me. He's walking me to the downstairs speakeasy in my head and he's saying, did you meet that one? He's very mean.

[A]

Who is that? Can you tell us what that is?

[D]

He was here with the building. He likes the water. He likes to break the water things. What else do you want to know?

[A]

Down in the basement in the speakeasy.

[D]

No, I never did that.

[A]

What?

[D]

Maybe he did that.

[A]

What was it?

[D]

There's someone else coming in. He seems to be a little frightened. Hold on. I just see like. It looks like gray mist coming up this way. Way. No. Can you move aside so that I can continue to speak? I don't know what you are. Get away. It's like. Oh, I feel like they're kind of fighting over who gets to talk to me. So hold on.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Right now, we mostly want to speak to the energies that the staff.

[D]

I don't know what you need, but why do you keep bothering us?

[A]

The staff?

[D]

Oh, he used us. I don't know what that means.

[A]

Staff are having trouble with unexplained events that are caused.

[D]

This is my place harm.

[A]

People are getting cut, falling down, busting their head open. Who did that?

[D]

I built it from the ground up.

[A]

Well, that's hidden.

[D]

I can hear another spirit yelling. He's lying. It's a feminine spirit, too. She's trying really hard, but they keep kind of pushing her out of the way. So there's. There's like, four things going on. I've got, like, something over here. It seems younger, smaller. I think it's the little girl that I saw earlier. And then the guy's there in the doorway, but he's being blocked off or walled off by something that looks gray, like a mist. And I can't hear him anymore. And then there was another man that was here, but he's also gone. This thing, whatever the gray mist is, is. It's like he doesn't want us to talk to them.

[A]

And that's what's from the speakeasy.

[D]

Let me reach out to it first.

[A]

Speakeasy. Energy that is negative.

[D]

It's older than the rest of them.

[A]

Okay, what does it want? Why is it.

[D]

It's a little more mean.

[A]

What does it want? What does it do?

[D]

It just keeps blocking. I can't hear anybody anymore. Move out of the way. Nope, they all left.

[A]

Okay, hold on.

[D]

Let me find him. Could you go get him back? I'm gonna send her to go get him. She seems to be able to move around here freely. This little girl. She's got a longer hair. It looks like she's been asleep for a while. Like in bed for a while. Like bedhead. She's running through here. She's showing me different faces. I think there might be people that work here.

[A]

Jeffrey mentioned that the little girl could go anywhere. Right?

[D]

Thirteen. Oh, he's back. I don't know what happened to the mist. It just started. She moved it away somehow.

[A]

Who's back? Benjamin.

[D]

What would you like me to do?

[A]

We want to know what you want and who you are. We don't really can't get any answers for that. There's a lot of people in the history.

[D]

No, I'm not from here. I'm from a different state. Looks like he traveled in because of the person that used to work here. It's like a woman that feels like relative. Like a sister, maybe. And this is Benjamin, right?

[A]

Why are you stuck here? Why do you stay here if your sister's no longer here?

[D]

I feel like he's answering something, but I can't tell what that is. Looks like a soda can, kind of.

[A]

Benjamin, what are you showing us? What is a soda can? I'm confused.

[D]

He keeps repeating, I'm not hurting anyone.

[A]

No, you weren't.

[D]

I just like to have fun.

[A]

But it scares them sometimes. Scare people out of the building. Why do you like to do that?

[D]

He's saying I frighten her. In the office. There's one particular. No, two. It seems like two particular people that he likes to mess with.

[A]

Why do you do that? Why would you like to scare people?

[D]

What is this? It keeps coming in. So I'm seeing, like, a Don't touch me, because I don't like that, but you can still show me. Is that from someone else? The fruit. That thing is that. Does that. What does that belong to? I feel like they're just volleying things at me right now.

[A]

We're gonna do 10 seconds because we're kind of getting a lot of. Of random stuff. You have 10 seconds to get.

[D]

No, I don't come in here. She's responding. I don't come in here. I go downstairs. I take care of the things downstairs. She's almost saying, like, I. You worked here, or I was here for, like, a really long time.

[A]

Okay, we're still gonna pull out because it's getting late. We got ten seconds. Ten.

[D]

And she just watches things.

[A]

Eight, seven, outfits.

[D]

What happened?

[A]

Five, four, three.

[D]

What happened?

[A]

Two.

[D]

What happened?

[A]

Something happened.

[D]

Yeah, the song is gone.

[A]

There we go. We were ending it. We're just. Yeah, we're just wrapping it up.

[D]

Okay. I think the most important things I got out of it was, like, this guy is looking for something. Like, he's looking for a way to get out.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But he's afraid. I think he's being presented with two different ways and doesn't leave. But he's really specific about. I just like with people.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like here. But in his mind, the danger is at the speakeasy.

[A]

Yeah, I remember hearing that. And we still don't really know what it is, but you're getting the misty.

[D]

It's weird. It kind of, like, creeped up on the side, and then I could feel something. But the weirdest is I felt something, like, move through me. And when it did, it. It blocked out, like, even the. The sound stopped. And then it started Again. And then I couldn't hear on this one side, but then there's a other little things like this little girl was running around all over the place, like, just kind of moving. But it's so strange because she. Even though the mist was coming up this way, she was able to kind of come around it and then still help me push it off a little bit so I can reconnect.

[A]

And that girl was still like.

[B]

This is.

[D]

She's like about 13 years old.

[A]

Okay. There were several important moments that stood out during Sarah's final Gonsfeld session. Almost immediately, as we attempted to connect with the negative male presence, Sarah asked, where's the other man? That question caught my attention. The night before, during Kate's experiment in Kinfolk, she had suddenly asked something strikingly similar. Jeffrey. Where's Jeffrey? I want to talk to Jeffrey. In both cases, it felt as if the presence they were engaging with was aware of others beyond the immediate moment. Sarah also described the smell, the one she was referring to as Benjamin, as feeling more modern in nature. That detail echoed exactly what Kate had picked up in her own session, where she sensed that the negative mail did not feel tied to the early history of this property. As the session continued, Sarah said the mel took her down to Kinfolk. In her mind, she relayed statements like, did you meet that one? He's very mean. He likes the water. But moments later, the same presence seemed to backtrack, suggesting maybe he was responsible for. For some of the accidents down there. That reinforced something Sarah had mentioned before, a sense of deception or information being distorted or withheld from her. Then came another moment that stood out. The male stated, I built this from the ground up. Almost immediately, the female presence cut in, yelling, he's lying. That exchange mirrored what Kate had experienced in Kinfolk, where a woman repeatedly pointed out a lurking, shadowy male calling him out, calling attention to his behavior and intent. And it also echoed Sarah's ongoing feeling that something was not being honest. What remains perplexing are the names. Both Kate and Jeffrey repeatedly received the name John, and it consistently seemed tied to this negative male presence. Sarah, on the other hand, kept receiving the name Benjamin. But she admitted that the name didn't feel quite right, but continued using it as a placeholder. In our experience, names can be unreliable, often symbolic, incomplete, or misleading. So while we still don't know if all three were encountering the same entity, the similarities in behavior, tone, and interaction are hard to ignore. Both Alexis and I were increasingly aware of what felt like active deception. One question kept surfacing. Was the negative Mel upstairs in this the office somehow connected to the shadow presence that Sarah had picked up in Kinfolk. By the end of the night, Sarah still felt that they were separate, but if deception was at play, that distinction itself could be part of its tactic. And then there was the Sunday House loft. All three mediums had experienced something there, but in different ways. Geoffrey described a presence that appeared as a little boy to him, though he was certain it was wasn't. Sarah had picked up on a little girl, but later admitted that she felt unsure and possibly misled. Kate, meanwhile, sensed a darker, shadowy male presence hiding in that space. Layered on top of that was the recurring female presence, the one who kept pointing out this negative male, insisting that she and the other spirits did not like him and wanted him gone. None of these threads resolved cleanly. Instead, they began to weigh on me, but I wasn't ready to walk away. We would return to Moonshine for one final overnight investigation with my team, our mediums and new equipment to follow these threads wherever they led and hopefully to find some form of resolution to the mystery of the spirits at Moonshine Foreign. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Night Owl Podcast. Be sure to join us as this paranormal adventure at moonshine concludes on February 23rd and many of you have asked about how to contact our featured psychic mediums on the show. Info on Jeffrey, Kate, the Brave and Sarah are all on my website, the night owl podcast.com under the team tab. There you can find their Instagram and website links. I'd like to thank my investigative team Alexis, Franklin, Jeffrey, Kate and Sarah for lending their abilities on this case. A special side thank you to our photographer Adam and our additional help Alejandro Nicholas Fair for his talented musical contributions to this show my dad Sam for his incredible historical research Mikey for his assistance editing Bo, Tristan and Devin for their help with our Night Owl events and tours Sandra for keeping us all on schedule and on budget and last but not least, David Dalton of Driftworks Sound for mastering every single episode on the tight turnarounds I give him. Please support their works by visiting our website thenight owlpodcast.com and clicking on the about tab. There you can find links to all their individual works and websites. 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