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Audio for sleep by hatch.
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Hey, I'm Greta. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, where your late night thoughts go to rest. Foreign it's me, Greta Johnson, and I am taking over the Nightly for the week. In case you missed my other episodes, I am a book nerd and podcast host. I have a show called Happy to Be Here. I write a newsletter called Gretagram, and I also co host the official Game of Thrones podcast. I am especially excited to be hosting this podcast this week because literally in those, like password security questions, when they ask you what your favorite activity is, I put in sleep. So this just feels like it is meant to be. And today we are taking calls, which is going to be really fun. I want to tell you that if you want to come on the show to talk about anything that is on your mind, you can email us or send a voice memo to the nightly at Hatch company. But first, we are going to take a call from Alex. Alex, where are you from? What's on your mind tonight?
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Greta? Hi, I'm in Denver, Colorado, and I have nice. I have kind of the quintessential late night musing to share with you today.
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Okay, let's go.
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Okay, so this is a true story. Last night I'm laying in bed and I'm drifting off to sleep. I'm very cozy under my blankets. And then I hear kind of the weirdest sound somewhere in my house. Like, oh, no.
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Okay.
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A thump, a crash, and then like a shuffle, rolling sound.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Do you have pets?
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Okay. Yeah, that's a band aid. We should rip off quickly. I have. I have three cats and three dogs.
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Oh, my gosh. That's a big band aid, my friend.
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Yeah, exactly. So, like, okay. Where we, you know, like, weigh the circumstances. I'm so cozy under my covers. I have six creatures in my house. Oh, my God.
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Bless you. That's amazing.
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I know. And I hear a noise. I'm not, I'm not getting up. I'm doing the mental gymnastics in my head, right. Of like, how do I negotiate myself out of getting up?
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No.
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And I'll skip to the end here. I. I didn't get up. I investigated the next morning, but the late night thoughts that came to me were like, okay, so I know no one has, like, I know I'm not in danger. No one's broken in because aforementioned six pets, they'll. They'll let me know.
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They. You would have known.
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Yeah, exactly. But could there be a haunting? Could there be a ghost? Oh, and then I tell myself, I think if there were A haunting. If there were a ghost in my house, I think it would take me a really, really, really long time to notice.
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What do you think it would take for you? They'd have to write like hello in the steam on the bathroom mirror or something.
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Well, I think here's my problem, right? Is like the quintessential ghost symptoms or like, like, you know, the aforementioned weird noises, lights flickering, doors opening, things being misplaced. That could all just be my life. That could all just be my pets. That could just be me not knowing where my stuff is. So I'm kind of. I was asking myself that question. I'm like, what would tip the scales for me to where? I'm like, there is. There's a presence and. Yeah, I don't know.
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Yeah, you know, you haven't landed on. I mean, do you live in like a particularly old building or anything? I mean, not that that's. I don't know. Is it like, does it feel kind of creepy? Ghosty?
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I think the basement is creepy, but I think all basements are creepy.
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Yes, correct.
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It's not a super old house, but it's not like, I want to say this house was built in like the 50s. So it does have some like, some like funny noises. It does have some drafts. It doesn't have central ac, so like temperature is kind of fluctuating. So I think like, for me to no longer be able to rationalize things. I get that.
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I understand that feeling.
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Yeah. I think a ghost would need to either like alphabetize my spice rack.
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Oh yeah, that's a good one. Mine is alphabetized. I will say.
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But that's.
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It's me doing that.
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You really have an alphabetized spice rack?
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I, you know, I try. I cohabitate with someone who is less Alphabet inspired when it comes to the spice rack. I will say. So he kind of, you know, things like ginger ends up next to turmeric. And I try not to be too upset about that. You know, it's.
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It's good to be understanding, but so I feel like if you had a ghost, you would know right away.
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I. I don't know about that. I mean, like, you. Life can be just chaotic enough where it's like, I mean, especially like this month I've been so busy. I found myself doing this thing especially like I traveled abroad for. And like, I was so jet lagged when I got back where, like. And I'm still doing it actually. I'll like walk into a room and look around and be like, what was I going to do in
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and like,
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eventually I do figure it out, but like, there's just enough mystery there that you just never really know, you know?
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No, you never really know. Yeah, so it's like, I mean, short of a ghost writing me a note that says like, hello, I am a ghost, and it's like notarized or something.
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Oh, I love the idea of a ghost notary. That's so charming.
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I love the idea of a ghost, like really trying to do its ghostly best to haunt me. And I'm just like, dude, I didn't know where my keys were to begin with.
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Exactly. So, yeah. Do you think of it like if you do settle on yes, ghost, are you thinking benevolent ghost? Like, you don't seem like super alarmed.
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No, no, I'm not super alarmed. And maybe, maybe that's my own like, ignorance. Like if I do have a malevolent presence, like I'm. It's gonna take me forever to know anyway. So like, what danger am I really in?
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Yeah, you're fine. You got all those animals. You're good.
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They'll tell me. They'll tell me. Yeah, I'm thinking like kind. I'm thinking, you know, it'd be funny if it were like, you know, an ill spirited ghost who was trying to cause me psychological harm. And I just like push it to the point where it's like, okay, you give up.
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Yeah, I love that. Actually. I think that's really great. My dog has been doing this really weird thing lately where like there's this one particular spot in our bathroom where she'll just go and stare like for a long time. And I don't know, like, I'm starting to wonder if that's actually maybe ghost related, you know?
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Right.
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Because it's like, what? And like, God forbid she like smells a vermin or something.
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I was going to say you. If, if we're weighing. If we're weighing the possibilities, right? And we're like, okay, she. Maybe she smells something that's like deceased or something funny in your house or
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there's a mildew or something.
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Those are all kind of worse than a ghost.
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Totally. Yeah. Well. And like, I must say, I recently rewatched the I believe it's 1996 classic with John Travolta Michael about an angel. You know, maybe she's just seeing angels. Maybe you got an angel.
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Maybe I've got an angel. Maybe that's why my life is disorganized. Maybe you can come over and organize my spice rack for me.
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Totally. Yeah. I'm here for you. Have you considered just for funsies, like. Like getting a bundle of sage and burning it just to be a little witchy and embrace good vibes.
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I mean, I think that's smart because I also have to be honest with you. Like, I woke up the next morning and I forgot about what I'd heard the night before. So, like, unverified.
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Oh, that's even better. So you hallucinated this whole thing. Were you also on mushrooms?
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No, I was on chamomile sleepy time tea. When I was on, I was on that, like, perfect bedtime thing where the air is cold and your blankies are warm and your feet are in those cold spots. The dream, that's what I was on.
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And all those snoozy animals, too. That's amazing.
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Yeah, they're like little weighted blankets. Oh, that's so sweet.
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Well, yeah, I think I. I think maybe burn a little sage. And I. I think if the ghost is good, the ghost will stick around. The ghost won't be bothered by the sage. But if is malevolent, if it is bad chaos, maybe that'll help sort of, like, get the bad vibes out for what it's worth.
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Yeah, I like that. I think that's a good idea. Also, like, if it's. If it's a good ghosty and it's. And it stays, right? Maybe. Yeah, maybe it's listening to this and it'll start, like, helping me, like, oh,
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that would be so nice.
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It'll put my keys where they go instead of where I fling them.
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Oh, my gosh. Just a little. Yeah, like a housewife. You can have a wife of your own.
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That's perfect. That's what we all need is a little ghosty housewife to keep us on track.
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You know, I did finally get an airtag for my keys, and it has made a big difference in my life, I have to say. Like, now it literally makes a noise if I need it to. And that's very, very helpful.
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You might have it all figured out, Greta.
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I mean, listen, I'm trying over here. Okay? Alex, how long have you been drinking the chamomile sleepy time tea? That sounds perfect.
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Oh, that's a great question. So I'm not like a morning tea person. I've always been, like, an evening tea person. Oh, how's that? Yeah, so, I mean, I love a chamomile. I love any kind of, like, an herbal concoction in the evening. And a friend of mine recently started a tea company, so I'm all over her brand of chamomile. Tea.
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Oh my gosh, that's so nice. That's amazing. Can you share the name of the brand? Is that weird?
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I don't think it's. It's called the Noble Steep.
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Oh, that sounds like the Noble Steed.
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Yeah, exactly. It's like medieval themed, like night themed, Ren fair themed. It's like, you should love that. It's great for like getting mythical and imaginative with your. Your sleepy time beverages. That's perfect.
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So have you always pronounced it chamomile? Because, you know, some people I think I grew up with it being chamomile
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is that this may be one of those words I've read a lot more than I've heard out loud.
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I have no idea. I mean, I also have a friend who jokingly calls it chemamele, which is deeply charming.
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I was just.
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And I recently. Were you.
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Well, I was just gonna say, how do we know it's not pronounced chamomile?
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Right? I mean, we don't. It. It could be. And I just. I just told another friend about that and she told me this great story about one of her friends in high school who was like trying to impress a cute guy at a coffee shop once, but she accidentally. She called it chamoimal. Chamoymo. Chamoimol. And I have to say, like, my friend told me this, I don't know, maybe like three weeks ago. I've probably thought about it every day. It's just so good, isn't it?
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You know, there are no rules. It's chemoimal, right?
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It's ch. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, why not have it be chamoymo, you know?
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Right. I had a friend tell me that for the longest time he had only read the word chaos and oh my God, he thought it was pronounced chows.
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Chow. I mean, those are like. As a big reader myself, I love those mispronunciations because it's like, of course.
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Yeah, no, same like epitome. For the longest time, I pronounced in my head as epitome. And I said it out loud once, obviously. Yeah.
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What was mine? Oh, innovative. I thought it was not. I did not know it was innovative. I thought it was innovative.
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Just now when you said innovative, I was like, that's a word I never heard. Oh my goodness, that's so funny.
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I recently have gotten so. I. I am a big tea drinker. I don't drink coffee. So I have tea in the morning and I like to have tea at night, but in the summer I have iced tea both in the morning and at night. And lately I've really gotten into chamomile or chamoymol peppermint tea.
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Chamoibel peppermint. And you make it cold Chamoimal peppermint.
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So what I do is I just brew the chamoimal peppermint like in the afternoon and I put it in the fridge and it's one of the myriad ways I just know I'm getting ready for bed even at like 2 o' clock in the afternoon.
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I love that. Give yourself a really nice long wind down.
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Exactly, exactly. And yeah, there's something about like cold peppermint in the summer that I just find so soothing and love. Like it's just so refreshing and nice.
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That sounds, that sounds delightful. And also I'm thinking now that's inspiring me. I'm like, okay, ghost, if you're listening, a way you can prove to me you exist is by making me some chamoimal preparement tea and put it in the fridge for me to have. Yeah.
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I mean that is the kind of ghost labor that I think we should really be advocating here for, you know, because it's like those are the things, like that's so helpful for you, you
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know, I need a seasonal sleepy time beverage.
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What are other tasks you would like the ghost to perform for?
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We're getting, we're getting deep into like. What are the things I don't like to do? Yeah, yeah. I, you know, washing my sheets. I don't want to. I want them clean.
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Right.
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I like the feeling of clean sheets at night.
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The joy of clean sheets. There's nothing like it. Yeah.
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Oh, especially like a fitted sheet. I don't want anything to do with like, I want it on the bed. I don't want anything to do with it. In terms of verbs outside of just like sleeping on it.
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Yeah, I hear verbs outside of sleeping. I hear you. I gotta say, I had a really wild time in. I guess I was in graduate school and for some reason that's when I decided to start ironing my sheets.
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Do you still iron your sheets?
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No, no, no. I don't know. I mean there is something like the crispness of an iron sheet. Like there probably is nothing like it. But no, now it's just like that's too far. That's too much work.
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I didn't know you could, you're. I didn't know we're allowed to iron sheets. I didn't know what that's.
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Oh, totally.
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That's great.
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Yeah, no, it's, Yeah, I mean, like, I bet your grandma did it. I know my grandmother did it for sure.
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Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. You know, and, you know, we honor the ancestors when we.
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Exactly. Exactly. See, I mean, you know, I don't. I. I guess you could argue that's another one where it's like, what? Lovely. Like pre bedtime labor, you know?
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Oh, yeah. Like, how can a ghost really set up my bedtime routine in a way?
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Oh, yeah.
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You know, some children like that and,
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like, dim the lights for you.
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Yeah, like, that's. See, that all sounds really nice.
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That sounds really nice. Now I want a bedtime ghost.
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That's what we all need, is a bedtime ghost.
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Oh, my gosh, Alex. Well, I really wish you the best of luck with the bedtime ghost. I just. I love that idea so much. I think you're really onto something here.
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Thank you so much. I'll. I'll let my bedtime ghost know to find you in the future.
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Great. Perfect.
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Thank you.
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I hope you have a great night.
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You too.
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Sleep well. If you would like to come on the show to talk about anything that is on your mind, from alphabetizing your spices to benevolent ghosts, email us or send us a voice memo to the nightly Hatch. Tonight, I would like to say good night to my mother Mary, who taught me the value of a beautiful night of sleep.
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Good night, mom. Sa.
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