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It's another perfect. Good evening and I'm kp.
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Hello, I'm Sophia.
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Hello everybody. I'm Kristen. Welcome to the Nightly a bedtime podcast for pop culture lovers Trio edition.
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Trio. Yes. Yes. It's so magic when we get to do this, all three of us together. Of course.
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Trio Trios are the best numbers there are. I actually think most iconic things are trios.
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And the best pillow for pillow fights have three people in my opinion.
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Yeah.
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Charlie's Angel, Travis Angel.
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A really classic. That is a. I am due for a rewatch on that.
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I rewatched it like a year ago and it is so good.
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I really holds up. Yeah, I think it was like ahead of its time. I mean I know it was popular then but I am like looking back at it now. I'm like, it's camp. It's fun.
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It's so camp.
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I really have to.
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It's really fun. I rewatched it. That was like a movie I loved as a kid. I would watch with my brother and sister all the time. And I rewatched it for the first time like. Yeah, maybe like a year ago. And it is really campy, it's really funny and it's just, it's literally just good times all around. We have Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore and Lucy Lo being absolutely iconic.
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Fantastic.
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I know.
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Director.
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It's one of those movies that I watched and I was like this imprinted on me. And I remember so much of it like as it was happening, stuff I hadn't thought about for so long. Like Drew Barrymore when she's like driving the race car. I don't know if you guys remember that. And she like takes her helmet off or whatever when she's like, that's tea. Of course.
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So cool.
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Yes. When they're like walking on the guys backs giving massages. It's really good.
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Well, that's us today. We're Charlies and Gay lives.
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Yes, we are. We are.
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And we are going to do a little bit of fighting, kind of.
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Oh yeah.
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But civilized fighting. A debate.
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Yeah, Fighting with our words.
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Fighting with our words and our strong sense of convictions. We are going to play a fun little game that we're calling Sleepy Debate Club. Okay. Kristin is starting us off here. You are going to argue whatever you think, pros or cons on this statement. And I'll take the Opposite.
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Oh, I get to choose. Okay.
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Yeah.
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And Sophia's gonna decide who they agree with here.
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Okay.
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Okay. And then we'll switch it up. Okay, here's the topic you decide. Naps after 5pm are a mistake.
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I don't even need to think about it.
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Okay.
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Naps after five are okay.
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Okay.
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Oh, okay, great.
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Go crazy.
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And there are a number of reasons why one might need to take a nap after 5pm let's say you're gonna go out and meet up with your girls, your Charlie's angels at like 10pm you're gonna party. You're gonn a nap from like 5 to 6:30. That means you're gonna have more energy for the rest of the night. That's totally fine. Or yesterday in my case, I had to wake up before the sun rose for one of my jobs. And by the time, you know, 5 o' clock rolled around, I was so tired, but I knew I still had more work to do later in the night. So I'm like, I'm gonna take a nap and then I'm gonna feel refreshed before I have to do essentially my second shift for the day. And I don't care what people say, like, oh, that's bad sleep hygiene. And if you take a nap, then you'll never sleep for the rest of the night. Well, maybe that's true for people who don't have things later in the day. But if you do have things later in the day and it doesn't necessarily have to be work, it doesn't have to be partying with the girls, it can be that, that one episode of the show you've been binging drops later in the night, which admittedly I sometimes do that too. It's like, oh, I need to see the season finale. Yes, it's okay to take a nap. It's okay. And maybe if you're afraid the nap's gonna ruin your sleep for the rest of the night, you can keep the nap brief. It doesn't have to be a long nap. It can be a half hour, it can be an hour, it doesn't have to be six hours.
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This is really easy for me to debate because I couldn't disagree more. I am a staunch anti napper in general and that's just the way I've lived my life. And I'm wildly successful, as you guys know. So it's worked. Yes, as you guys know, proof is
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in the pudding right here.
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Y I do believe that we are in control of our sleep. I think to think you can Master a nap. It's just not the truth. Naps control you. I just don't think you're getting the same thing every time. You could set your alarm for one hour and an hour nap is gonna feel different every time you do it. And a lot of that is based on this 5pm thing. I've never met a 5pm nap that didn't leave you groggy. I just haven't. And maybe some people have gamed the system, but I think naps just decide. They roll the dice when you take them and they decide how you're gonna feel after. And somet sometimes it's really not worth it. And I don't like to roll that dice. So I prefer if I know I got big nights. You got to get a little more sleep that day before you do have to plan a little bit more or you got to work on some caffeine alternatives. And I know nobody wants to talk about it, but you do have to work on some things that.
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What are caffeine alternatives?
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Diet coffee. Okay, well it's, that's an alternative to maybe the usual coffee. But I do think we've got to think on things that can keep you up and give you that extra boost as opposed to going. I just think you don't know when rem's gonna hit. You just don't. You don't know. You could say it's an hour long nap, but rem might hit 58 minutes in and then you've only had that. It's just you don't know when exactly it's gonna hit. So I think naps control us. We don't control naps. So I just really worry and I want everyone to be really, really cautious.
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I'm just scared at the end of the day.
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I want that. I want fear mongering on this.
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Can I, can I reply to.
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Of course, please, please. Rebuttal.
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K.P. i just want to say it's totally possible to wake for my nap and that sucks when that happens.
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Absolutely.
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But even you admit it's a roll of the dice. And sometimes when we roll dice they come up snake's eye.
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Yeah.
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And that's a good thing. So sometimes we take the risk because we want that snake's eye.
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And I'll rebuttal once more. And I totally see where you're coming
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from with our debates.
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We're so nice.
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I don't even need to be here.
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I really see where you're coming from. I do think that Sometimes the pre 5pm just means everything to me where it is. Like, I don't think you can sleep through your alarm as much pre 5pm but 5pm when it's dark out, then I worry about sleeping through that alarm a little bit. Okay, Sophia.
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Okay.
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So you've heard both sides.
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I've heard both sides of the argument
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and then both sides again.
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Yeah.
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We've come together, both sides of the aisle to have a bipartisan discussion about naps after 5pm I will put my own 2 cents in there. Of course, no one asked for it, but here I am nonetheless standing tall. I who I am at my core is I'm aligned with kp, which is that I'm a no napper. I just can never fall asleep if I do well and it's a nap during the day. Yeah. I get sleep paralysis.
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You already know you are able to
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hold even in the corner of my room.
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Honey, honey, that can be terrifying.
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It's 3pm There's a monster in my room and I'm scared.
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Yes.
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But I so I really get where you're coming from. But I. There's a part of me that wishes that I was like Kristen, like I wish I could nap. And so then I'm like, I don't know if I should go with my wishful thinking or with what is true to me. I think I will say I tend to err more on naps after 5pm Are okay.
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Yes.
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As if you can do them. So I'm kind of like choosing no one and everyone.
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Storming off. I'm storming off.
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Yes.
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KP just got up and left. Crap.
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And I am Cameron D is doing the butt dance right now.
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Y and Crusty is victorious. I guess my opinion is whatever works for you of course do that. I agree at the end of the day. But they are really. It is scary. And I. I mean I don't nap. I can't even remember the last time I took a nap. So it's like. But the thought of like taking a nap, especially in the winter, waking up, it's dark out is like chilling me to my core. Of course I feel scared. But there are also so many times where because I can't nap, I always wish I can because I'm like didn't get enough sleep last night. I have these plans later and I know what would fix me. But instead I am of course turning to caffeine alternatives like Celsius, which is of course caffeine.
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I also agree. I think some of my stance was coming from jealousy also. Yeah.
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Because you know what?
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And it's important to know that, but to recognize that.
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And I'll just say, I'm not saying do this every day. I'm just saying, like, there are just extreme situations where the workday is extremely early and then you have a gig late at night.
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Yeah, absolutely. Or don't I know it because we're night owls. When I have that 10pm show at Union hall, it's Wednesday night.
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Don't we wish 5pm we could just go shut it down.
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Shut it down. Shut it down for a second and I can't. I can't.
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Okay, I admit defeat and I don't know I've been dishonored.
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I will say your arguments were very compelling.
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I really felt that.
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Okay, we have another topic and this time I will get to judge. Okay, this is my punishment. I don't get to talk anymore. They've silenced me. Okay, the next topic is also sleep related. Of course. Sophia, you can choose your natural alignment on this. And Kristen, you'll have to argue the opposite.
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Okie doke.
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You should switch up the side of the bed you sleep on.
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Oh, well, listen to me. Look at me. Come here, look at me. You gotta switch up the side of the bed that you sleep on because it creates a heat. What I have what I call a human sized dent in your bed if you don't do it. I've lived it all the time. There's actually also why you have to flip your mattress, which you think means flip it upside down. No, honey, it means rotate. It means rotate. That's very confusing to a lot of people. Yeah, I've been definitely the victim of a human sized dent. I have one in my bed right now because I, I would say I've walked the path, the dark path of not switching the side I sleep on, not rotating my bed enough. And it's come back to haunt me. And it's hard once you get to that point, it's difficult to move through it because what happens is that your body is naturally rolling into the human sized den. Of course, creating the dent more and more. It's a self fulfilling prophecy and you just don't want it. Because now I am facing a moment in my life where I need a new mattress, basically is what's going on or God forbid, someone sleeping over. You're like, I always am. Like, can you feel that you're in the human sized net? Do you feel like I spend an inappropriate amount of time in my bed because there's a few months. I'm sorry, you're sort of inside Of a crater judging me. Do you feel scared? Do you feel safe? You got to do it. It's good, and it's just better for your back. Also, it makes your mattress honestly last longer. Saves you, what, 600 to even $10,000. I don't know how much a mattress is. Oh, yeah.
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Some of them are, like, as expensive as cars nowadays.
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My friend is making payments right now on his $10,000 mattress.
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Wait, actually, that is a number I pulled from my mind as a joke.
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He didn't know that that was, like, the way it was going to end up when he was in the store. And then it came too late, and he was like, there's payment plans, and
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it came too late. And I bought a mattress. Is not.
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It was close to 10. I think it was 8.
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Is it made out of, like, 24 karat gold fibers?
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These are the kind that goes up and down electronically.
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But there are no features in this. I'm sleeping on it right now because I'm staying at his home. There's no features that I can see. It's very comfortable, but there's no features, per se.
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That is really upsetting to hear.
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I never spent even half that money on anything in my whole life, including my own wedding.
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It's trending upwards, I will say.
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Oh, my God. Okay, so, Justin, say that's why you have to rotate. Otherwise, you are on a payment plan literally for the rest of eternity trying to pay off your $10,000 mattress that doesn't even have a remote control element to it.
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Kristin, your rebuttal?
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All right. Well, Sophia, I have to say, your position here, you have defended it beautifully. However, your position is not what the issue was at hand. The issue at hand was switch up what side of the bed you sleep on, not rotating the mattress.
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Okay.
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Okay, thank you.
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I think rotating the mattress is a good idea, and I wish I would have done it, because mattress, my husband and I, he's larger than me. He runs very, very hot because of these issues.
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It's eroding.
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Exactly.
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He.
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He is several inches.
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He's eroding through the bed.
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Yes, he is. Literally, I'm up here, I look down at him, kiss him good night, and try not to fall basically on the beds. Yeah, it's terrible. And we should have rotated this mattress years ago. The mattress is now, I think, over 10 years old.
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Mine too. Yep.
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Yeah. And there's such a stark difference between my side and his side. However, we now feel like it's too late to rotate it, and we're definitely not switching Sides, because what's going to happen, and this is something you mentioned earlier with sleep paralysis, with being confused, with monsters being in the room. I feel like if I wake up one time in the middle of the night and I see I'm on the wrong side of the bed.
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Disorienting.
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Completely disorienting.
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Yeah. And I'm gonna trip over something and it's just gonna be chaos. It's gonna be pure chaos. And I think that that's true for a lot of people. Switching the side of the bed means chaos. And we don't need chaos at night. We need comfort. We need to feel safe. We need to feel cozy. Switching up the side of the bed is the opposite of all those things. I don't want that. And I just wanna feel like I'm in my little nest. My cozy little nest. That's what I want. So, yes, I agree with you. Rotating mattress. Good. But switching side. Yeah. Have your side. Yeah.
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Can I ask a follow up? Do you guys switch your pillow or you have like. This is my pillow.
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Oh, no, I have my pillow because I'm a face sleeper.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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And as a face down sleeper, I need my mattress, I need my pillow to be thinner than like essentially a T shirt. And I think, kp, you and I have discussed this before and the problem of traveling in certain hotels. The pillows you and I have discussed this.
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They're really big.
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They're too big.
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They're really big.
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They're huge.
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And they're foamy. Yeah, just really big foam. Same question.
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What was your.
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The question is, do you have like, your pillow or you have a collection that you can go through?
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Okay, I have my pillows that I use is what I would say.
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But you can use a few of them. They're all at your level.
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I have a combination of my pillows that I use to create the perfect pillows.
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Evading the questions.
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Evading.
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And I'm going to explain to everyone what I. The system I have going on. And then I also have a rebuttal. Okay.
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Yeah, I don't want to change it too much.
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I'm just wanting more pillows.
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Pillows.
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Two of them. Flat pillows. Extremely fat. Flat. Those are my pillows that have the same sham on them that matches my sheets. Then I have two pillows that are fluffier but still comfortable. Those are more decorative. But I also. What I do is I sleep with one of those between my legs and then I pile my two flats on top of each other and I sleep on those like a baby.
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So I'm in a similar Spot where there's thicker ones for when I'm reading and prop up.
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Yeah, you're just, you know, you need
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a thicker pillow to be like my back.
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Yes.
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I'm Oz.
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Yeah. Okay. My rebuttal is that, of course, I did harp too much on. And I will concede that I harp too much on rotating. However, if you and your husband had switched every night. Switch, switch, switch, switch. It would be an even flat bed, or both sides would be even.
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You're correct. You're correct.
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Second of all, in terms of it being chaos, we have to learn to take risks in our life in a way that is controlled. A beautiful way to take a controlled risk. Sleep on the other side of the bed. You wake up, probably nothing bad happens, and you learn it's okay to take risks in your life. That's all.
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Final rebuttal, Kristen.
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Risks. And even. Even. Some risks in the bedroom can be fun. We can grow from them. We can learn from them. We can connect with people through risk taking together. But again, if that risk taking involves getting up in the middle of the night thinking you're going to the bathroom, but you actually walk out the balcony door and fall off in the middle of the night, that's just not a risk worth taking.
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It's true. Okay, I have thoughts, which is I. Similarly, the risks thing really worked for me, I will say, because I agree with this, which is I like to be kind of ready for anything. So if I switch my position from left and right, then if I'm, like, sharing a hotel bed with my friend, and they're like, I have to sleep on the right. That's fine. Left is fine. Because I have experience with left, so I do like to be prepared for sort of a hotel room. I'm not so disoriented because I'm. I'm in different spots. So I usually do switch. And this is, like, not even a rotating thing. This is just me being, like. Some days I just had to reach over and my book was over here, and now I'm on the left side. So I do like to. I like to stay nimble with it. I really do feel, though, it is nice to have your safe chamber. And sometimes that means this is my zone. I like this zone. The pillow's always there when I need it. So I also really say that your bed is your sweet spot, and you shouldn't be forced to make that a risk environment.
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Yeah.
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But overall, I am gonna say the rotating out of the question. Cause I totally agree, Kristin. It was out of line that they Even, like, brought. That wasn't like.
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That's not even extremely inappropriate for me to even bring that up.
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I totally agree. When you were mad, it was a valid point.
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That's just not this debate.
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It's just something else. Sorry, sorry.
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I think taking rotating out of it, which we all need to be doing, I still think it is good to switch up the side of the bed you're on.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yes.
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So I'm gonna give this.
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I can see your point. It's good to be nimble and not be stuck in one's ways.
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Yes. And I will, against my own point. I do think that if I was in a relationship, living with someone, it would be completely different because it really is. Like, if you're living with someone, like, this is my side. You have your own stuff on your side and I have my own stuff on my side. I'm kind of freaking free balling it in my bed, going crazy, rolling out, flopping all over the place, jumping up and down, whatever.
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I am all over there. Because sometimes it's like I put three jackets on the right side. Now, I can't use that until I figure out where those are going. That's gonna be a journey that's gonna take. No overall really even ground there, though. I saw both sides. All right, well, Kristin and Sophia don't even need to look because I feel this. I am getting sleepy.
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Me too.
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Kristin and Safiya. I'm feeling like we got on some really even ground. All this talk on beds makes me want to hit my own. I'll see what side I end up on, but I am going to sleep. But before we go, we do have a listener who wants to say goodnight. This listener is named Wen and Wen says, love you guys. My nightly companions that lull me to sleep. Good night to my youth. Youth is wasted on the young. Goodnight to my current self. Treasure every moment now. Good night to my golden years. I will take care of my mind, body and soul now so I can see you in the future. Sincerely, Wen. That was lovely.
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Thank you, Wen. Oh, my gosh, Wen. I especially love that last part.
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Absolutely.
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Oh, my gosh. That's so beautiful.
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That was really, really nice.
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Well, good night to Wen.
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Good night, Wen. Good night, Sophia. Good night, Kristen.
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Good night, kp.
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Good night, all of you. Sweet dreams.
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Sweet dreams,
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Sam.
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In this cozy, trio-hosted episode of The Nightly, Sophia, kp, and Kristen treat listeners to the debut of “Sleepy Debate Club”—a playful segment of spirited but soothing debates on nighttime rituals and sleep hygiene. Filled with pop culture nods, pillow talk (literally), and trademark dry humor, the episode aims to make listeners feel part of the "pillow fort," winding down the day with gentle banter and relatable sleep struggles.
Listener Wen offers a poetic “goodnight” to past, present, and future selves:
“Good night to my youth. Youth is wasted on the young. Good night to my current self. Treasure every moment now. Good night to my golden years. I will take care of my mind, body, and soul now so I can see you in the future. Sincerely, Wen.” (18:29)
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