Band of Brothers & More Padel Peddling

Summary

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The Nightly – “Band of Brothers & More Padel Peddling”

Host(s): Matt Bragg (“A”) & KP Parker (“B”)
Date: April 28, 2026
Episode Theme:
A cozy and meandering late-night conversation about the addictive rise of the sport Padel, a passionate case for historical fiction in books and TV, and the comforting joys of sleep-time routines. Expect witty banter, book recommendations, and a dash of self-deprecation—perfect for bedtime listening.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode centers around two main threads: Matt's newfound obsession with the sport of Padel (and failed entrepreneurial attempts to capitalize on its trendiness), and a lively discussion about the enduring charm of historical fiction in books and TV, including favorites like Band of Brothers and Masters of the Air. Both hosts share quirky anecdotes and swap recommendations, reflecting on how our changing interests signal different phases in life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Padel Obsession (00:32–05:18)

• Matt Confesses His New Sport Addiction

  • Matt (“A”) admits he’s become “one of those people that always talks about [Padel]” (00:51) despite mocking them just weeks before.
  • Quote: “Not three weeks ago, I was going, oh my God, those paddle people who won’t shut up about Padel. … And then I played Padel and was like, oh my God, this is the greatest thing in the world.” (01:06) – Matt

• What’s Padel, Actually?

  • It’s “cousins” with pickleball, but with a twist: it’s played inside a glass and metal cage—“It can be a little bit disconcerting. Cause if you’re running to get a ball... glass is famously see-through … several times have run into plate glass wall.” (02:10–02:42)
  • KP: “You’re like a bird in the sliding glass door.” (02:45)

• Padel as a Business Venture – Or Not

  • Matt and a friend tried to open a “scumbag” Padel club for the ‘peasant class’—only to find a Padel company already snagged their chosen land.
  • Quote: “There is no paddle club for scumbags. For normal people… I said to a friend of mine, this is a gold mine.” (03:43–03:53) – Matt
  • KP jokes: “The upper class is talking folks, and he’s bragging and bragging.” (03:32)

2. The Evolution of Sports, Sleep, and Aging (05:18–07:14)

• Sports Reminiscence

  • Matt’s sporty youth: “Football [soccer] and table tennis for quite a long time. Big fan of table tennis.” (05:30–05:39)
  • On the lack of ping pong’s popularity spike after the movie “Marty Supreme.”
    • Quote: “I don’t think it’s moved the ping pong needle.” (05:58) – Matt

• Beer Pong & The Immunity of Youth

  • KP: “Not played beer pong for ages … would be almost weird at our age to be playing it often.” (06:23)
  • Both commiserate over the “dust and lint from the floor in your $1 beer.” (06:46)
  • Matt: “That’s why you’re never really ill when you’re younger.” (06:39)

3. Book Chat: Historical Fiction & Pronunciation Battles (07:46–14:29)

• What Are You Reading?

  • Matt: Essex Dogs by Dan Jones. Historical fiction set in 1346 about a mercenary band during the Hundred Years’ War.

    • “He’s… really cool, but he is, for a historian, he’s like… got arm sleeves [tattoos]… He walks around castles talking about them.” (08:17–08:59) – Matt
    • Discussion about the pleasure and pitfalls of made-up character names, with both hosts commiserating about mispronouncing “Hermione” as kids (10:36–10:55).

  • KP: The Historian, a hefty (700 pg!) Dracula-inspired novel found at a thrift store.

    • “...all the reviews are like, it was about 200 pages too long. And I go, ugh, darn it.” (11:58) – KP
    • On reading style: “Sometimes, you know, I like to get a real variety in the books—a little one and then a big one. Just stretch the brain.” (11:58) – KP

  • Both gush about the mastering of detail and tension in historical fiction—Matt concludes: “I love historical fiction. I think it’s the best genre by a mile.” (14:23)

• Audiobooks vs. “Proper” Books

  • Matt prefers a mix: “I like to have a proper book… but also an audiobook on the go for car.” (07:59)
  • KP: “My audio listening is historical, though. I usually do history podcasts.” (11:30)

4. On Historical Fiction, TV, and Band of Brothers (14:29–20:30)

• Historical Fiction as a Secret History Lesson

  • Matt likens historical fiction to playing Padel: you’re learning something but “don’t even realize it.”
  • Quote: “You learn about something and you don’t really realize that... you’re kind of taking it in subconsciously because it’s entertaining.” (14:14)

• TV Loves: Band of Brothers, Masters of the Air, Loudermilk, Friday Night Lights

  • Both adore Band of Brothers: Matt watches it yearly, praising its “space to connect with all the different people.” (14:44–15:04)
  • Matt’s background-extras moment in Masters of the Air: “I am in the background drinking apple juice, which is whiskey, but.” (20:01)
    • On the 1940s haircut for the role: “Honestly, it’s crowning achievement… nobody’s seen my forehead before or since.” (20:16–20:47)
  • KP appreciates Ron Livingston (Loudermilk, Sex and the City), and how big ensemble casts let you “get to meet the troops.”
    • “He breaks up with her on a post it note. Oh, that’s so on brand.” (17:54)

• Friday Night Lights shoutout

  • KP recommends, explaining its football-obsessed Texas setting and launching the careers of Michael B. Jordan and Jesse Plemons. (18:21–19:43)
  • Matt: “I’ll put that on the list.” (19:54)

5. Book Habits & Bedtime Wind-Down (20:30–22:03)

• Reading Routines

  • KP tries to read just one book at a time: “...my memory, every time I open the book, I go, what just happened?” (21:34)
  • Matt: “I did do [audiobook and print book mix] with the last book... it was incredible how quickly I got through it.” (21:54)

• Final Notes on Sleep

  • KP: “Tonight I am going straight to sleep. I’ve gotten quite tired talking about all this history...” (22:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On getting older:
  “I miss that. So much better now. How boring is that? I know exactly what I’m going to be doing tonight. Do this. Read my book. Go to bed.” — Matt (06:54)

• On historical fiction:
  “It is like playing paddle. You get exercise in, but it’s fun… you learn about something and you don’t really realize that… I love historical fiction. I think it’s the best genre by a mile.” — Matt (14:05–14:29)

• On being an extra:
  “Honestly, it’s crowning achievement. I mean, I don’t do anything in it. I’m just in the background.” — Matt, on Masters of the Air (16:16)

• On pronunciation in books:
  “...Hermione was a little Ron. But I think I was like, oh, Hermione, Hermione. She’s my favorite.” — KP (10:51)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Padel vs. Pickleball: 00:49–02:42
• Padel Business Idea: 03:32–04:30
• Books (Essex Dogs, Historian): 07:46–13:40
• Historical Fiction & Band of Brothers: 14:29–16:55
• Matt’s TV Extra Story: 15:43–20:30
• Friday Night Lights & TV Faves: 18:21–19:54
• Bedtime wind-down: 20:30–end

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Tone & Atmosphere

Warm, gently comedic, self-aware, and cozy—a classic “late-night chat between friends” feel designed to make listeners feel relaxed and seen.

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For fans of:

• Pop culture with a historical bent
• Gentle, relatable humor
• Anecdotes about trying new things and failing gloriously
• The joy of bookish and TV recommendations before bedtime

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End Note:
If you drifted off mid-episode or missed the start, you caught the best of the Nightly’s soothing, sleep-ready humor—rest easy, and maybe check if there’s a hidden Padel court in your town tomorrow.

Transcript

[A]

Hello. You're about to drift into an episode of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience, visit Hatch Co. Enjoy. All right, I'm Mat.

[B]

And I'm kp. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, where your late night thoughts go to rest. Matt, word on the street, and I trust all the words I get from the street, is that you are playing a game or a sport called paddle. What is this?

[A]

You are absolutely right.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. And I hate that I've become one of those people that always talks about it.

[B]

Please talk about. I mean, I'm begging you to.

[A]

It's one of those sports, you know, where like, a new thing gets big.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And not three weeks ago, I was going, oh, my God, those paddle people who won't shut up about Padel. Why don't they just, like, wind their neck? And then I played Padel and was like, oh, my God, this is the greatest thing in the world.

[B]

Now, is Padel the same as pickleball?

[A]

I was actually talking to Josh about this and he mentioned pickleball. I would probably say they're cousins.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not too distant cousins. Oh, we've got a. So there is an article that is mentions the differences between a paddle and pickleball here.

[B]

That's perfect.

[A]

Which I would be interested to know, actually.

[B]

Oh, paddle is spelled like that. P A D E L. Okay.

[A]

Padel.

[B]

That's very fancy when you say like that. I'm playing a little bit of Padel.

[A]

A bit of Padel? Yeah. I mean, me and my mates say that just for a laugh. I don't know if it is actually his padel.

[B]

So I'm seeing a big difference here, which is there's walls in paddle ball or in pickleball. There's no walls.

[A]

Oh, you've got no walls.

[B]

No, there's a walls and a cage. Is this true?

[A]

So that's a huge part of it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. So you've got a glass wall to your sides and behind you, and the ball can bounce off the glass. It's not allowed to bounce off the cage, but it can bounce off the glass. And that can be a little bit disconcerting. Cause if you're running to get a ball, obviously glass is famously see through.

[B]

Mm. That's one of its big things.

[A]

Yeah. So you could sort of forget that it's there. So if you're reaching to get something, several times have run into play glass wall.

[B]

You're like a bird in the sliding glass door. Yeah.

[A]

Which is Embarrassing.

[B]

Yeah, that's part of the game. Everyone's doing it.

[A]

It originated in Mexico, apparently. Ah.

[B]

So it might be Padel. Okay, that's nice.

[A]

Could be Padel.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Well, you said that you were taking Spanish lessons.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What do you reckon?

[B]

Padel?

[A]

Padel.

[B]

Mm. But I think, you know, it's probably taken a move of its own. So I think either probably works. If I had to guess it has

[A]

gone crazy, I would say it is taking the country by storm. I had a great idea. I was talking to a mate of mine. I said, this paddle thing, this is a gold mine here. So we looked around our town. No paddle at all. Apart from I play a private member's club down the road. But I don't want to talk about that.

[B]

Nope, we'll let that one just sit. We'll just let that sit. The upper class is talking folks, and he's bragging and bragging.

[A]

But there is no paddle club for scumbags. For normal people.

[B]

Oh, the kind, kind, normal people.

[A]

Yeah. The peasant class. So I said to a friend of mine, this is a gold miner. I quite fancy being an entrepreneur.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Thought about it recently. I thought we could set up a paddle court. Passive income. Found a bit of land.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is all brand new to me. But my mate's got a proper job and stuff, so he knows about stuff. And he phoned the let in agent for the land and said, look, we want to build a paddle court on here. We're going to get investment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they said the land is no longer available because a paddle company is putting paddle courts on there.

[B]

They really are. Somebody beat you to it.

[A]

That hurts so much because it's just vindication. I knew that was a good idea.

[B]

Well, here's the thing. It hasn't reach. I haven't heard of this at all. There's no courts at all. So.

[A]

Well, there you go. From me to you. As long as I take a percentage. You should open up some courts. K.P. padel.

[B]

I do wanna. I wanna see that. I mean, the idea of being in a glass and metal cage is quite. It's different. That doesn't happen a lot in many sports.

[A]

Rarely. Apart from sort of shark baiting. Is that a sport?

[B]

Probably not wrestling. There's this one match called Hell in a cage or something. Yeah, yeah, something like that.

[A]

Hell in a cell.

[B]

Hell in a cell, Absolutely right.

[A]

Hell in a cage. I don't know why that's right.

[B]

Purgatory in a fence. Now, Matt, this is the newest of your sports, but you're a sporty guy. Did you grow up playing a variety of sports?

[A]

I just played football, soccer and did play table tennis for quite a long time. Big fan of table tennis.

[B]

I thought it was going to have much more of a. Well, because, you know, Marty supreme, that movie came out this year which is all about table tennis. And I thought maybe everyone was going to be inspired to join that based on that movie. But I don't think it had that much actual change in the culture.

[A]

I don't think it's moved the ping pong needle.

[B]

No.

[A]

Which is a shame.

[B]

Seems fun.

[A]

It is a fun sport. I think the barrier to entry is pretty high just because it's like you can't even over here. You couldn't even have a table tennis table outside because it's too windy.

[B]

Ball's too light. Sure. That is true. I'm more beer pong. That is really going to be just good for me.

[A]

Oh, God. You have not played beer pong for ages.

[B]

Yeah, it makes sense. It would be almost weird at our age to be playing it often.

[A]

That is a very good point, actually.

[B]

Just try and get everybody engaged in drinking horrible beer where the ball has touched the ground and then it's floating inside of the thing you're about to drink.

[A]

That's why you're never really ill when you're younger.

[B]

I think it has the immunity.

[A]

So good at fighting stuff off.

[B]

Yeah, it really is. You have just dust and lint from the floor in your $1 beer.

[A]

I miss that. So much better now. How boring is that? I know exactly what I'm going to be doing tonight. Do this. Read my book, go to bed.

[B]

But a book, a good book. Nothing to shake a tail feather at. It's good. Is that how you use that phrase? I don't think so.

[A]

I feel like you've amalgamated a couple there.

[B]

I think so. I've been doing this lately. I keep being like, well, that's my hard line in the sand.

[A]

Oh, okay. I like it.

[B]

My boyfriend was like, no, no. It's either you draw a hard line or a line in the sand.

[A]

Draw a hard line.

[B]

That doesn't even sound right.

[A]

That doesn't sound right.

[B]

You mentioned books, though. Are you reading anything cool?

[A]

I've got a couple on the go, actually, because I like to have a proper book. Book. But also an audiobook on the go for car.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So I've got two. My book at the moment is Essex Dogs by a guy called Dan Jones. Who? Do you like castles? Kp?

[B]

I love castles.

[A]

You would Love Dan Jones.

[B]

He loves castles.

[A]

He loves them. And he's. He's like a. I'd be hesitant to say that he's, like, really cool, but he is, for a historian, he's like. He's got, like, sleeves. Arm sleeves. Like tattoos. Not as in.

[B]

Oh, I bet they're very cool tattoos, too. Like, he's done research.

[A]

I bet they. I bet they all mean something. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think he's getting, like, the Joker and being like, why so serious?

[A]

Yeah. A giant clock.

[B]

Yeah. Big lion. Yeah. He's not doing any of the classics.

[A]

Not that you can see them half the time anyway, because he wears leather jackets.

[B]

Oh, my God. He's the coolest guy in the world, isn't he?

[A]

Yeah. And he walks around castles talking about them.

[B]

Wow. So is this a. This is a nonfiction Essex Dogs?

[A]

It is fiction, but it's not historical fiction.

[B]

Yes. Which I love.

[A]

Yeah. It's a great genre, historical fiction. So he is a historian, but he's gone the way that most historians do. I think they write historical fiction. And I couldn't actually figure out to begin with when it was set, I thought they were going to be Vikings. Oh. But it's set in 1346, in the opening stages of the Hundred Years War.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which is between England and France. But, yeah, really, really, really interesting. It is quite Viking y. I think there's a lot of plundering going on.

[B]

Do you have, like, a character that you're following the whole time, or is it kind of a little big spread of everybody you're following?

[A]

A little group of. They're sort of like mercenaries, so they get paid by the king to go and fight for England in France, and they're called the Essex Dogs.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

So you're looking at Captain Loveday Fitz Talbot, who's the main guy, and then he's got, like, others in his crew, like Pismir. I never know how to say it. That's the problem when it's not an audiobook, isn't it? You've got to come up with the pronunciations.

[B]

Sometimes, though, it's good to just pick one in your head. And then when you do listen to the audiobook, you're like, that is never how I would have said that. Not ever.

[A]

It's really interesting if you had that before where you listen to the audiobook and you go, I don't even know who that is from that pronunciation.

[B]

Yeah. There was some fairy book that I was reading that everybody read.

[A]

Oh, was that a crown of a

[B]

Court of Court of Thorns and Roses. Yeah, everybody read that. But I was pronouncing all of those names different, and then I heard it said. And I was like, I guess I could switch that. Okay. Even I think when I was a kid, I think I was pronouncing Hermione crazy. I mean, that is a hard. That's a hard name. If you've never seen that and you're eight.

[A]

Yeah. Written down. That's not. It's not as easy as Harry.

[B]

That's no Harry. Ron. I got right off the bat. Cause I was smart, but Hermione was a little Ron. But I think I was like, oh, Hermione, Hermione. She's my favorite.

[A]

Did you ever do the audiobooks? I've got mates who still listen to the audiobooks of Harry Potter.

[B]

Really? No. That does make sense, though. It's very. A comfort to some. I really don't usually do audiobooks very much at all. My audio listening is historical, though. I usually do history podcasts.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

Just to keep up to date on the past.

[A]

It's the problem with history, isn't it? It gets harder every day.

[B]

I learn one day and then another day has passed. It's really difficult. Well, speaking of, you were talking about Historian on your book. The book I'm reading is called Historian. The Historian.

[A]

The Historian.

[B]

Yeah. I just found it at a thrift store, and so it looked appealing to me. It is 700 pages, so it's quite hefty.

[A]

Wow, that's dense.

[B]

Yeah, I know. But sometimes, you know, I like to get a real variety in the books. A little one and then a big one. Just stretch the brain. But isn't it a shame? I looked. I, like, went to go log the pages I've read, and I see that all the reviews are like, it was about 200 pages too long. And I go, ugh, darn it. I'm setting myself up for. I wish I didn't know that, but I guess it's kind of good to know now.

[A]

Well, how are you feeling up to this point?

[B]

It is. It's detailed. And that's what they're saying is, like, this writer clearly loves the details. And so often so far, I mean, there is like a full chapter where you're like, okay, that didn't advance anything, but it seemed like you just enjoyed us knowing the way that the library looked. Okay, so that's not always my favorite style, but it's about. It's kind of a. As if Dracula was real, I suppose. And a historian is trying to Uncover that and find out, since he's immortal, where he's still living. It's not so dorky. Dorky with the fantasy of it all, though. It's written kind of as if. What would a historian view that discovery to be?

[A]

Right? I mean, in this story, is Dracula still dangerous?

[B]

Seems he's quite dangerous. And he has, like, bodyguards kind of vibes where it's like when this historian starts finding out the truth.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

A lot of people are trying to cover that knowledge up. Okay, I'm sticking through it. But I did just kind of stick through a book that I really didn't like the whole time, and it kind of wasted a lot of my time. So maybe I'll read a shorter book in the middle just to remember that I like reading.

[A]

I think that's so important to do. Yeah. I mean, what drew you to that one? Was. It must have, because Thrift Store. Was it, like a good cover on it?

[B]

It was. It was kind of a good cover. And then I like historical fiction, like Hamnet. That was a nice book. There's one Circe. That's a good book. Like, I like the historical fictions. I think it's like a way of learning what was going on at the time while still getting yourself, like a little drama movie.

[A]

I agree. Do you know what it's like? I think. Stick with me with this analogy. It is like playing paddle. You get exercise in, but it's fun. So you don't really realize. But with that, you learn about something and you don't really realize that you'll learn that you're kind of taking it in subconsciously because it's entertaining. At the same time, I love historical fiction. I think it's the best genre by a mile.

[B]

Do you also like it in movies? Like, do you like Band of Brothers type?

[A]

Oh, my God, yeah. I love Band of Brothers. I watch once a year.

[B]

I was thinking, while you were describing yours, I was like, oh, this is kind of 1340s band of brothers.

[A]

Yeah. Really similar, actually. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You get to meet the troops. That's nice.

[A]

I do. That's why I think Band of Brothers is still so great, is because it's got that space to act where you kind of. You've got all the time to actually connect with all the different people and you kind of build a relationship with them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I really. There's not been another Band of Brothers.

[B]

It's really, really good. I haven't seen it in a bit, but it is just emotionally so detailed. You just really get to love These people. And I think it helps. Like, I think in history, we learn a lot of bullet points because it's like, obviously we can't know everything about everything. And so it's nice to really have this zoom in where it's like, oh, yeah, these were people just like us in all parts of history. It's like, oh, they're doing things that we do and they're loving things that we love.

[A]

Yes, I agree. Have you seen the. It's not a spin off, but the next thing that Spielberg and Hanks did, the Masters of the Air series.

[B]

Never even heard of it.

[A]

You should watch it, particularly episode three. Oh, about seven minutes in, I think.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Yeah, it's my favorite thing about. I'm in. I think it's episode three. But I applied to be an extra, and because it was during COVID Wow. They had to cut my hair like a 40s pilot.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I was like, yeah, I got nothing else going on. So they sort of shaved the sides of my head.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Honestly, it's crowning achievement. I mean, I don't do anything in it. I'm just in the background.

[B]

Forget Band of Brothers, Masters of Airs. That's better.

[A]

Well, that's because I love Band of Brothers so much. And I heard they were making this. I was like, I want to be in that. I can't miss out on that.

[B]

The casting also of Band of Brothers, while we're talking casting. I mean, David Schwimmer, I think he was lovely. I want to see him in more different things. Don't we have. Tom Hardy is in that. There's just a lot of cameos.

[A]

There is so many cameos. It launched so many careers that.

[B]

Yeah, it's. And I love Ron Livingston. I think he's. He's incredible.

[A]

Did you watch Milk?

[B]

No.

[A]

Is it Milk? It's like a sitcom. Is a Ron Livingston sitcom I think

[B]

you'd really enjoy is called Louder Milk.

[A]

Yeah, Louder Milk.

[B]

Oh, and he's been. I saw a clip of this where he's being a real grump about coffee. Okay.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, that's first episode.

[B]

He plays an elitist grump pretty well. Who did that in Sex and the

[A]

City also, I didn't realize he was in that.

[B]

Ugh. He's a guy called Burger. He's a writer. He's one of my favorite, like, of all the people she's dated, I was like, I could see actually dating a Burger. That's his last name. I could see myself dating a cheeseburger. You know, he's Just a bit like, he's a writer. He's grumpy, he's elitist, he's sarcastic, he's funny. And she really likes him and he breaks up with her on a post it note.

[A]

Oh, that's so on brand.

[B]

Yep. And he's just a total coward and it really hurts her feelings. I loved. He was good in this.

[A]

I mean, he just played it perfectly. That kind of. In Loudermilk, he's like an aloof ex alcoholic and he's just. He's so good at it.

[B]

You know who I think he looks like who's also I think probably in my top 10 actors of all time? Kyle Chandler. Do you know Kyle Chandler? Friday Night Lights?

[A]

No.

[B]

Friday Night Lights is a real slice of Americana.

[A]

What's the storyline here?

[B]

He's a coach of high school football in Texas. And in Texas high school football. And this is real. Is like the. It's bigger than the Met Gal. Like you just every week, every single person in town goes to the high school football.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And this is my mom's from Texas. She says that was like. Yeah, it's not even a question of if you're going. It's like it is Friday, so you are going. Every single person in town is going to high school football. It's just super serious. And so this is following this coach as he keeps this football team out of trouble, tries to get them to Nationals. There's drama, there's interpersonal relationships. He's holding it all together. These kids are getting into trouble all the time. So it's a real Texas treatment.

[A]

So what kind of got you into it then? Was it something that your mum was watching or.

[B]

No, she's never seen it. I want her to watch it, but she really only watches reality or crime shows. She just has a really specific set of things she watches. But I got drawn in because, I mean, everyone speaks of it really highly. But also it kind of launched the careers of Michael B. Jordan and Jesse Plemons, who are some of our greatest actors. Okay.

[A]

I didn't realize Michael P. Jordan was in it.

[B]

They were like 17. They play the high school students. So I was like, oh, I do want to see this show. Because everyone speaks really highly of it and I love Kyle Chandler.

[A]

I'll put that on the list.

[B]

Put that on the list. And I'll put Masters of Air.

[A]

Yeah, well, just the one episode.

[B]

Just that one bit.

[A]

I can't confirm with you which bit. It's basically Barry. Is it Barry Keahan? Kit. I never had to say it. He's on the phone and I am in the background drinking apple juice, which is whiskey, but.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

I drank a lot of apple juice.

[B]

Did you get a real sugar spike? Yeah, just running around on set. Around Barry.

[A]

All I wanted to do was I just wanted to be able to put the uniform on. That was all. So anything else was a bonus?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Hang on, I'll show you the. What do you reckon?

[B]

Oh, my gosh. The hair difference is so jarring. I've never seen so much of your forehead.

[A]

Well, no, that's the interesting thing. Nobody's seen my forehead before or since.

[B]

Yes, I had doubts on its existence,

[A]

but now we know.

[B]

That is really fun. Yeah, the uniform's a big upsell. Anyway, time you can just get that going. I mean, I'm glad we're both aligned on this historical fiction loving. I think it really is a lovely, lovely genre. And I have so much respect for anyone that writes that or does that. Because you have to be accurate. Like, you do have to be really smart. It's not like you can just be like, okay, it's sci fi. So everyone's, you know, got three legs. This is like, you have to be like, they did that. So that is what is accurate.

[A]

Yeah, completely. It's really impressive and we should keep in touch with that. Let me know how the rest of your current 700 page odyssey is and let me know if it's worth it.

[B]

I know I do generally try and just read one book at a time because my memory, every time I open the book, I go, what just happened? So when I read another book at the same time, I'm lost. But this might be one. I know some people do a mix of audiobook and regular too. Maybe I need to mix mine. It's like when I'm on the go, I'm reading this book via headphones.

[A]

I did do that with the last book that I read and it was incredible how quickly I got through it.

[B]

Okay. Especially with 700 pages. I need all the help I can get.

[A]

Yeah, do it.

[B]

Well, Matt, I'm not doing that tonight because tonight I am going straight to sleep. I've gotten quite tired talking about all this history and it was lovely talking to you. I'm gonna hit the hay. Good night, Matt.

[A]

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