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Audio for sleep by hatch. Alright, I'm Matt.
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And I'm Josh. Welcome to the nightly from Hatch where your late night thoughts go to.
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Good evening, Josh.
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Good evening, Matt.
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I've got something very special to talk about today actually.
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What do you have? I'm so excited to hear it.
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I had one of those very precious memories of basically I was proven right in a. Not an argument, a disagreement with my girlfriend. But I was right and I just, I'm still over the moon with it even though it was to my detriment because basically what happened is I've been really into my iced coffees at the moment. Josh, I don't know, how do you feel about iced coffee? I know people are, you know, they go one way or the other with it.
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I am a year round iced coffee drinker. That's my vibe. I'll drink it dead of winter, I'll be drinking iced coffee.
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Love it. Me too. It's one of my favorite things and I sort of fell out the habit of it for a while and then started again because of the hot weather. Bought an ice machine because I wanted to make my own. And then I was looking for a vessel to put my iced coffees in because a flask, it's not the same, is it? You don't get that buzz out of drinking it from a flask. You want the like the Starbucks cup, don't you? It feels better.
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I like even when it's clear and I can see the ice kind of jumbling around. I love that about an iced coffee.
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That is what it is, isn't it? I want to see the ice jumbling. It's no good just hearing it in a flask. So no, I said to Harley, look, in Starbucks they got these plastic cups, they're reusable, you know, because obviously have single use ones. And she said, don't get them, you shouldn't use plastic ones, it's bad for you. I said, yeah, but it's convenient, isn't it? And she said, look, why don't you get. We were walking through home bargains and there was this like, it was like a Stanley cup but made out of glass with a cork lid. And she said, that's what you need. I said I can't have one of them. I just throw it in the car to go. I drive all over the country with it in my cup holder. That's gonna be a disaster waiting to happen. She said, no, no, just give it a go, it'll be fine. That's what you need. You'll be so glad you did it. It'd be great. I said, I'm really not sure about this. It seems too fragile. She said, just get it. Just get it. See how you get on with it. I'm not making this up, Josh. Walking back to my house, out of the car, I dropped it outside the front door, and it smashed and it went everywhere. There was so much glass, and it took everything inside me to not say, I told you so, because it was sort of my fault, but.
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Right. Did she have any thought that you might have dropped it on purpose to prove a point?
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I don't think she did, because I was genuine by that point. I was actually quite excited to fill it up with ice. So I could see the ice jumbling around for the coffee.
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Yep.
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So I was. I'm not ashamed to say it, Josh. I was borderline giddy getting to the door. I was like, I'm gonna go and wash this, and I'm gonna fill it up straight away. And, yeah, I was trying to carry too much stuff. Dropped it, hit the bottom of the door, smashed everywhere. And I spent the next 10 minutes picking up the shards so that the cat didn't walk in it.
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I know that feeling so well of just winning an argument, but at what cost?
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It was literally that I felt in my head go, yes. Aw.
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Still bad. Still don't like this. But I did win. That's so funny. Oh, my gosh. I do love a glass. And when I'm at home, I'll use a glass often. But, yeah, I think for a travel tumbler, you know, you can't really beat macro plastics. I don't love getting the micro ones in my bloodstream, but a big. A big, solid hunk of plastic, It's. It's very practical.
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Well, yeah, that was sort of my point with it, because that was. I mean, my very rudimentary understanding is microplastics are bad, but in terms of those, I'm not going to swallow the entire cup by accident. Like, it. It should be fine.
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Yeah, I think so. And it's also like, I don't know. I've been doing this for enough years now, drinking out of plastic cups that, like, maybe I'll just shoot the moon and I'll be like, full plastic, you know, I think that's more likely than one more plastic cup being the one that kills me.
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That's maybe. I mean, that could be great, couldn't it? Could we get to a point where we could 3D print our own? Josh, I've been drinking out of a
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lot of plastic cups lately.
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I think our generation. Realistically, we were at the peak of drinking out of pla. Everything was plastic. Every cup was plastic.
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Styrofoam.
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Yeah.
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I haven't seen a Styrofoam cup in a long time.
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No, I haven't, actually. Occasionally you get them if you go to. Because I watch a terrible standard of football. Soccer.
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Okay.
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Quite often, if you go in the winter and you get your halftime cup of tea or Bovril, as some people do. You have Bovril? I don't know Bovril, but it's a classic sort of. You'll find a load of old boys on the terraces at the football, drinking Bovril. It's essentially gravy.
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It's like a hot, savory beverage.
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Yeah, it's like a hot. I suppose it's beef. Like hot beef. It's just. Yeah. It's like having a coffee, but the coffee is gravy. Yeah. Wow.
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No, I don't. I mean, I guess there has been a trend here of, like, for people. I guess it's a health thing. They'll have, like, beef broth. I bet it's very similar.
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That's so interesting. I saw that. A load of kind of health influence saying that broth is the way forward. And every time I see that. Yeah. I always think, you know, there's. There's guys in their 80s who have been doing that on the terraces every week for years.
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And that's how they're still there. That's why they're. That's why they've made it this far.
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Maybe that is the key to longevity. Yeah. Bovril. There we go.
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They used to. At Dunkin Donuts, at the coffee chain, you used to be able to get a plastic cup for your iced coffee and then they would put it in a big Styrofoam cup for insulation. And enough people were like, well, we can't be doing two kinds of plastic. So you can have a coffee to go. That's no good for the environment at all. We gotta cut it down to one plastic.
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That is pretty wild, that, isn't it? I don't even understand how. What. So it was plastic and then Styrofoam over the top to help keep the heat in.
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Yeah. Like, not over the top, but, like, open. Open Styrofoam cup that you would, like, nestle your plastic cup into.
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Yeah. I mean, that is pretty wasteful, isn't it?
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It's too much Cub.
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We live and learn. That is. Or the other place, actually. Where this is very prescient. Something I wanted to talk about anyway, which is good. This has led on perfectly. There's occasionally, if you go to some all inclusive type hotels in kind of Spanish places and there's like a pool bar, they will have like Styrofoam cups there for beer.
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Oh, sure. Yep.
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I mean, if we're looking at sort of the top 10 beers that you can get, Styrofoam cup, pool beer is in your head. I say it's number one. In practicality, it's number ten. It tastes awful. It's warm. But.
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But spiritually. Spiritually. It's so high up on the list.
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Yeah. It touches my soul somewhere. Because that's. Basically, I've just booked. I'm going away with my girlfriend this week, but in the next week, two. In the next three weeks, I've booked a little trip with my mates to Benidorm and I've not really. I don't think I've not spoken about it at any length on here, but I just wondered how much you knew about Benidorm and if I could educate you a little bit on it as
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a concept, I would say borderline nothing. So I would love to hear. I would love to learn.
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That is excellent news, Josh. And are you in for a treat? So Benidorm is a coastal resort city on the Costa Blanca in Spain. So we're talking. Let me just get a map up. Let me just. I don't get this wrong. We're talking like it's between. Okay. Yes. Because you fly into Alicante. So it's between Alicante and Valencia on the coast. And I would describe it as a theme park for England. So it's like England Land. It's bizarre.
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So you're going to like a kind of cartoonish facsimile of home.
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It's literally that. It's like a caricature of what we've got here, but by the sea. Because there's the Old Town and the New Town, and the Old Town is where all the locals still live. It's a really picturesque, amazing place. Actually, the Old Town, the New Town is quite frankly an absolute disaster. It's thousands of. Of bars and pubs called the Red lion, the King's Head, that, you know.
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Yeah. Really doing it up.
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Yeah. You walk down each street and it's like Ron's Belly Buster Breakfast. Five euros. And then there's three pints for a fiver next door. Just people on mobility scooters zipping around. It's got the highest Concentration of mobility scooters in all of Europe, I believe,
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per capita, it has that, like, Las Vegas, like the. Not, if not the casinos and gambling. Just the kind of energy of like, we're here to see a xeroxed copy of Culture from another place, and we're just going to kind of bob around and then go home.
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That's. I would say that's. That's fairly accurate. Yeah. In terms of debauchery, it's that kind of. It's kind of. It's kind of like all bets are off. People go there for three days, you let your hair down, you have a load of beers, you sit by the pool. It's very Vegas in terms of the mentality. In terms of the execution, I would say not as classy.
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Wow, that is tough. That's a real kick to the ribs.
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Yeah, it really is a fascinating place. There was a sitcom based on Benidorm called Benidorm in the uk, and that really kind of. I mean, it was popular before anyway, but that really popularized it. So last time, which is the first time we'd ever been, we stayed in the hotel that was used in the sitcom because we loved the sitcom.
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That's funny. When was the sitcom.
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The sitcom it ran for? It was probably about. When did it start? It ran for about 10, 10 series from about 2007. So it finished maybe like 2015, 2016, maybe.
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Wow. So that's really successful and long running. And then after Brexit, they were like, we can't be having this anymore. We can't be talking about other places.
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Exactly. You're all dead to us now. That's it. Which is a real shame. In fact, a bit of trivia. You know the 1975 the Band. Are you at.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Yeah, yeah. So Matty Healy and that. His dad, Tim Healy, who's a brilliant comedy actor, he's got a really, really funny part in Benidorm where he's. He's a receptionist at the.
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At the resort.
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Yeah, at the Solana, as it's called in the show. I can't remember what it's called in real life because it was a nightmare. I remember last time because you get into a taxi saying, can you take us to the Solana? But it's not the Solana. None of us could remember what it was actually called.
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But that's the fictional name. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's so funny. That's like. There's places here where. In New York, like, trying to find a place from a movie where you have To Google, like Royal Tenenbaum's house address. And obviously that's not what it's called in real life, but it'll come up.
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Does it? Does it come up? Yeah, if you look, if you look for that sort of stuff.
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Yeah, you can find it that way.
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Yeah, that's one of my real fascinations, that is looking at movie locations and like then and nows. I love that sort of stuff. Is there. Have you been to any in New York that kind of stand out that I should go and see at some point?
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Gosh, I'm trying to remember. The one that. That always jumps out at me is when I'm in la, which is not the answer to question, and I drive by the building that was Nakatomi Plaza in Die Hard. I'm always like, respect Building.
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That's so. I didn't know that actually existed.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't. I can't imagine they filmed in there. But like, the exterior shots of the building are so striking and you go, oh, there it is, the real Magatomi Plaza.
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That's so amazing. I'd love to see that. I mean, I've got mates who have been to like LA and they were blown away because of obviously being massive GTA fans and playing that and that's kind of seeing the real life versions of all that sort of stuff. Sounds amazing. Amazing.
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Oh, yeah. And you also, like, Los Angeles specifically is a place where there's so many song lyrics, you know, where you're like, oh, it's a long day living in Reseda. I see that on the map from here. Like, thanks, Tom Petty.
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Oh, yeah, that's cool. That is cool.
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Or like Cheryl crossing until the sun comes up over Santa Monica Boulevard and you're like, hey, there it is from All I Want To Do Is have Some Fun. The famous Santa Monica Boulevard.
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That's great. Even though it's not a visual thing, just. Just seeing what they're talking about is great.
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I love that New York, I mean, New York has a lot of that too, I imagine. Like, I imagine London has a similar thing when you're there of just like, oh, this has been. This street corner or whatever has been in so many songs and TV shows or whatever, you go, oh, this is. This is what Jay Z was singing or, you know, was rapping about in Queens.
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Yeah, I see the problem is you get so numb to it, don't you? That you don't. It is a real shame. I'm trying to. Trying to look up more because otherwise you just, especially in London, I've always just got my head down, just I'm going to where I'm going.
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Totally.
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And I've been into London every day this week and I made a real conscious effort, like walking through Soho and like walking onto Shaftesbury Avenue and stuff every single day. But I've never really. I've never taken it in, but it's. Yeah, I had quite a nice week this week. Just I actually had a little wander round and had a look and I enjoyed it. And also actually on the subject of song lyrics, of stuff that you've seen, this made me laugh. What's that song? That New York Concrete Jungle.
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Yeah. Empire State of Mind, the Jay Z and Alicia Keys.
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That's it. Alicia Keys I found online. Someone about 15 years ago had written and recorded a version of it for Banbury, which is where I'm from. It. It's so Route 1. Like, just not in its simplicity is its genius. It's so funny. There's a bit where it's so. It's obviously New York Concrete jungle, where dreams are made of. Yeah, this one says, in Banbury Concrete Bumhole. This town is lame, bruv.
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They just mapped it right on there.
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Yeah, it's just so. It's so on the nose. It really made me laugh.
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That is so similar. Right? It's like exactly what we were talking about with like the par. You know, the fake Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas. Like all these places that like, that are other places but fake. And it's so funny when a song isn't covered but it's interpolated to be like, oh, this is actually about this place now. There was obviously the famous NWA song Straight Outta Compton. I think at some point a couple of local rappers where I'm from did Straight out of Boston. And you're like, okay, let's queue it up. You know, it's just. I like love that so much of like, oh, no, we're gonna do our version of that. And you're like, I don't know if it'll have the same. And they're just kind of copying the structures. I love it.
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I do. It's that it is the kind of rudimentary nature of it. I've talked to a friend earlier actually about. He'd just done a cruise, he's a comedian and he came off it in. In Southampton in England. There's a lot of American tourists on the cruise. And he said it's so funny because they've just been on this cruise that's got an English crew going to all these places in Europe where everyone's so nice, everyone's been so polite, you know, all the crew, they're serving them hand and foot. Really polite. Just the best experience they get off the cruise. And he said, we went to this train and a set of doors on the train weren't working. And he said there was this miserable English train driver over the speaker that just came over and went, jesus Christ, there's like 20 doors on this train. Just use another one, for the love of God. And he was like, you just saw all these American tourists go, oh, oh, that's a shame.
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Yeah, right? They pierced the veil of vacation. And we're like, no, this is still real life. A door doesn't work, a guy yells at you about it.
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Yeah, it's great. But I just love it so unashamedly, like, just not trying to be nice, not trying to be good at his job. Just, I'm fed up. Don't muck about. Just simple.
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And I feel like you don't get, like. When I'm on the subway and the train conductor is in a bad mood, first of all, I want them to be having a nice day. But also, it is so funny when they've just had it. You can tell they're at the end of their shift. And instead of, like, stand clear of the closing doors, please. You get like, look, we're not gonna get anywhere if you stand in the doors. All the doors are closing. Move out of the doors. Yes, I'm talking to you, guy with the backpack. And it's like so funny every time where you're just like, oh, they're not supposed to be doing that, but they just can't help it.
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I really like that. I just think it gives a bit of personality in a day and age where, you know, you're met so often with just recorded voices and recorded messages and automated stuff, self checkouts. Or to just have someone with a bit of personal, even if they're fed up, I think is so refreshing.
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Yeah, right. And especially, like, I've had to rent a car a couple times recently to drive out of town, and both times there have been, like, substantial delays. And it is, like, a little helpful when the person behind the counter, it's not their fault. You know, it's like the corporate policy of how close to when someone else has the reservation, you're allowed to return your car. And then there's also the thing of, like, well, it takes some time to clean up and people are sometimes late. And so, you know, it's not the person behind the counter who created this problem. So when they also seem a little frustrated, it, like helps to know that, like, they're a human being experiencing the day. And they aren't just like the face of corporate made 3D, you know, they're not just like, hey, well, we're doing our best and we'll be with you soon. It's like, can't you be mad also? I know this is ruining your day too.
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Yeah. Really, we're on the same side here. Yeah, yeah.
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It's helpful for them to be like, I don't know, man. This guy said he would be back half an hour ago. Haven't heard from him since. And I'm like, okay, thanks. It's nice to know that we're both mad at the guy who's not here.
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Well, Josh, this has been an absolute pleasure chatting again. It served. Don't leave us alone next time. It's been a pleasure.
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This has been so nice. It's been really wonderful to catch up. I hope you have a tremendous couple of holidays in succession and I would love. I'm gonna. You know what, I'm gonna say goodnight to Matty Healey's father, Tim Healy. I hope wherever he is, he's having a nice slumber tonight.
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I agree. An absolute gentleman. And I'd like to say goodnight to any proprietors of Benidorm's high class English establishments looking forward to belly busting breakfasts and towers of pints. Good night everybody. See you soon, Josh.
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Good night,
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