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Hello. You're about to drift into an episode of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience, visit Hatch Co. Enjoy. Alright, I'm Mat.
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And I'm kp. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, where your late night thoughts go to rest. Matt, I had a late night thought and I saved it just for you in the hopes that you might answer it.
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Oh, you shouldn't have.
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I'm wearing a, as you can see, a baseball hat today. And I had the thought to myself, baseball, not very popular for you guys, if at all.
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Not in any way, shape or form. Yeah. Apart from the bats in pop culture. Oh sure, you might get a criminal.
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Oh yes. Yeah.
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Using one. But yeah, apart from that there's no games.
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Apparently you're not really allowed to have a bat on its own because that implies there's premeditation if you hit someone. But if you have a bat and a glove criminally you can say, I just like baseball.
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Interesting.
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So the defense lawyer tip was if you're going to keep a bat, also keep a glove.
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I imagine the glove would be less useful in a scrap, wouldn't it?
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Yeah, that is unless it's with a cat. You could kind of keep it away.
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Yeah, good point. So always, always carry both just in
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case and then maybe you'll find that you love the sport and then you turn that into a beautiful career in baseball.
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Yeah. Turn your back on crime. Sorry Karen.
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My second part of my question was like, okay, so not so much American baseball over there. Cricket, how popular is that? Are you guys playing that in like elementary school? Is that a game that is like being like everyone has played cricket at one point or another or not really.
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Not really. Okay.
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Yeah.
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Generally speaking, wealthier people tend to gravitate towards cricket. Yeah, I don't really know why that is. I guess the barrier to entry is pretty high cause bats are quite expensive.
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It's a lot of things to buy. Uh huh.
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Yeah, you've gotta have like a nicely manicured pitch, all that and you've gotta have a lot of time, like five days to be able to play a game which is really for like a test match. Yeah, it's a long time.
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Okay. That's not an elementary school friendly.
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No, I do remember when I was at primary school so like I don't know what your elementary school.
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Yeah.
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They had like a variation called quick cricket which was like. Yeah it was, it was like more plastic, plastic stumps and plastic ball, plastic bat and it was all A bit more lo fi, relaxed, like a wiffle ball.
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We have something called wiffle ball, where it's just plastic and you could just kind of give kids with too much energy a wiffle ball and a bat and then let them run off so they don't hit anybody.
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Sounds exactly like that. Yeah.
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I assume polo is the same thing. You're not really giving every kid in primary school a horse and telling them to play polo.
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No, no, not strictly speaking. But if you do carry a polo stick and a horse in your boot, then you've got deniability.
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No one can say it was premeditated. Okay, this is what I thought. Where it's like baseball, not so much, but cricket is not a one for one. Nobody's loving cricket as much as we love baseball.
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It's still big, obviously, but. Yeah, it's really not. It's not like, anywhere near the same level as football, for example. I would say it's probably football, rugby.
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Right.
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Then cricket, maybe. I guess. Yeah.
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Something similar might be our lacrosse. We have lacrosse, but only in some parts of the country because I think it's more of an east coast thing. I've met many a person from California where they just didn't play lacrosse. But I played lacrosse growing up.
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Isn't that polo?
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No, lacrosse is like sticks with the net at the top.
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Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Mm. It's like sticks, and then you have little nets, and so you're catching it with little nets. And then in men's lacrosse, you can check. So it's kind of. I think it's hockey rules. But you're on the grass field.
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Right. And that's more of a school sport rather than, like a spectator sport.
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I mean. Yeah, the highest you can really go in that is, like, in college you'll have some D1 lacrosse, but it's like, after that, I don't even think it's at the Olympics. I don't think so. So I don't think there's, like, that much more. You can really go past college with lacrosse.
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Isn't it quite physical, like, quite high impact at some points?
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Yeah. The men's ones, women's, you're not allowed to check. But men's, you're doing, like, hockey style, so you're really pushing them a lot.
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Oh, I see.
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But in general, it's got a high. Like, I was goalie because I didn't like to run. That's kind of what I just chose the least running position in any sport. And it was like the coach was encouraging people learn how to hit the ball in between the goalies pads so that we can, on the other team, give that goalie enough welts that she starts getting scared and we can get the ball in.
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What a horrific tactic.
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So they would do it to me, and I was like, wait, wait, wait. Can't we just practice on, like, a dummy? Isn't there. There's a mannequin we can put in there. If you're just trying to learn that.
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Wow, that's really. I do sports like that goalkeeper is the worst position by a mile. I remember I went to a Catholic school, so very heavily, like, Irish influenced kind of school. And they bought in Gaelic football when I was in, like, I don't know, when I was about 14, 15 maybe. And that is insane if you're in goal, because you basically, it's a. It's like a football or a soccer ball, but it's a bit smaller and a bit harder. And if you're in goal, basically just have people drop kicking footballs at you from not very far away at all. Totally horrible thing to do.
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The hard ball is really way worse than a larger ball. It's just. Yeah. I was covered in welts all the time, and I was like, hmm, is this fun? I can't tell.
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Yeah, I think that's the point where I'd probably start Wiffle ball or something. Just go, yeah, something kinder.
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I switched to theater. Much kinder.
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Oh, there you go.
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Yeah, really emotional welts, but that's about it.
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Yeah, it'll get you in the end. Yeah.
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Ultimately, I think I won, but, you know, I didn't come away Scarfree. Okay. Well, speaking of theater and arts and entertainment, I have been looking through some different pop culture trends, and I wanted to bring them to you and see if you've heard anything.
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Yeah. What do you want to know?
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Well, recent ish was the Drag Race finale. Have you ever watched any episodes of RuPaul's Drag Race?
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No, but I'm aware of it. I really like the names. Big fan of the names.
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There's some really good names. Let me try and think of some from this season that had really good names. I liked Jane. Don't. It's just Jane and then the word don't.
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Okay.
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And so RuPaul would announce her with some girls do, but Jane don't.
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Oh, that's good. Yeah.
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Yeah. That's a cute little thing.
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Yeah, I know. There was one over here called, I think it was like baga Chips or something.
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Baga. She's very popular. Yeah, yeah. Bag of Chips. Vinegar Strokes was another one in the uk. That's really, really difficult. That is her name.
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Just laying it out there. She's the truth.
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Yes. That is her name. God bless. Yeah. Lawrence Chaney was the winner of uk. That was not a pun, but just a nice little name.
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Her actual name.
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Yeah.
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Lawrence Chaney didn't have a stage name.
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No, no. I think that is not her real name. I think that is just. She chose that as a stage name also. I don't think that's her real name.
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It's quite underwhelming, that one. I feel it's a bit of a waste.
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I know. Well, her personality is really big, so maybe she wanted just a normal name so that she could really go off.
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From my experience with drag racing, that's not really the point, to be honest. I don't think any of them have gone. I should probably rein this in at some point.
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Yeah. I just want to be subtle. I want to be a really, really subtle character. It's true. That is true.
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She won.
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That was good. I mean, sorry to anyone that's six years behind on the UK season.
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I won't worry watching it now.
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Yeah, we had our US season just finished and I watched the finale and there's a lot of complainers. With any reality show, you're gonna get people that hate the way it's done now. Loved the way it was done before. I find lately, I mean, I like a lot of different competition reality shows. It's almost becoming just. I can't even follow online. Cause it's just so many people complaining. I go, aren't we just happy a little to have this show in general?
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I don't know where I stand with reality shows. Cause they all do have a sort of shelf life, don't they? And there's only so many times you can kind of rehash it, but it is true. Are you into reality general? Did you get into reality shows from the early, Like Jersey Shore or whatever? The first.
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I really gravitate to the competition shows. I just. I'll watch anything if it's like game competition. So I'm less. Like. Jersey Shore was very fun, but I liked Flavor of Love even more, which was like the dating competition. Oh, my goodness, folks, this episode's gonna be two hours. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. We gotta get this right.
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Flavor of Love.
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I've already spoken of this at length, honestly, on the nightly. That's how much I really know about the Flavor of Love. But the quick one is Flavor Flav is a rapper.
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Oh, yeah, I know Flavor Flav.
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Okay, great. He had on early VH1 days, a dating show where you could sort of at the end of the show be engaged to Flavor Flav. And it was just so silly. Cause he regave. Firstly, every woman came in and he gave them new names. Didn't even ask their real names. Said, nah, I'm gonna call you. And then would just pick a name for them. Bag of Chips. Yeah, Bag of Chips. Well, some were truly wild. I mean, one girl was like, hey, Flav, I like basketball. And he goes, got it. I'm gonna call you Hoops. So for the rest of the time, she was Hoops.
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Lyrical genius.
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And so it was just a really fun competition show where they were just not quite behaving well sometimes. But Flav was also very funny. He's a very funny character.
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And was that a genuine prize or is it like. Because I always think with the Apprentice, for example, which I do love.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I watch the UK one every year.
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Okay.
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And I do think it's going a little bit stale, to be honest.
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But that's a. Oh, it's still going on.
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Yeah, still going.
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Okay.
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It was. I think this is the something mental, like 30 years or 25 years.
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Who's your host?
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Lord Sugar. Sir Alan Sugar.
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I don't know why I didn't guess. Lord Sugar. Never heard that name in my life.
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It sounds like a drag queen, actually.
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Yeah. Lord Sugar. Bag of Chips.
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He was responsible for Amstrad, I think the computing company years ago. And then something else. He's a really rich business guy. I filmed on his yacht once.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Again, that's not the point of this right now.
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When you can name drop a yacht, you better go and take it.
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I was working at the time. Just to be absolutely clear, I was not. I was not invited. But the crew there gave me a pen with Sir Alan Sugar's name.
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I have it framed behind you. I see it just. It's big framed pen with a light on it.
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I wish.
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It's your prized possession.
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It actually. Do you know what? It had a speaker in the. In the clicker bit of it.
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Okay. That's really cool.
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And if you click the button, it go, this is Lord Sugar. You might be hired. You might be fired.
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Okay, this is insane. All right. That's actually very, very cool.
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Yeah. But it has since run out of battery. Cause that was about 10 years ago.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Real shame.
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Wow.
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Anyway, my point being, I don't always believe that Lord Sugar is getting as involved as he says he's going to with these companies. Did Flavor Flav actually marry also? It's only good for one series, really, isn't it? Unless.
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No, he did, too. He did two Flavor of Loves.
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Excellent.
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Because the first one, I mean, she was really cool, honestly. The one that won the first one, I think it was Hoops, and she ended up dating and marrying a basketball player. I think she dated and married, like, a famous basketball player.
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Wow.
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So it worked out for her better than it worked out for Flav. And Flav had to do a season two, and he brought back. The real winner from this whole series is New York Tiffany Pollard. She's an incredibly fun personality. She was made for reality tv, and she's really like that. She just had a great personality. And I'm hearing, by the way, yeah, Hoops was engaged to Shaquille o'. Neal. That's what I thought. But I was like, that couldn't be the most famous basketball player. But it was.
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Yeah, that's the basketball player.
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That's great.
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So what's Flav doing now? Is Flav married?
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I think Flav has kids. And I do think Flav did a really cool, like, charity thing. Yes. He's a huge advocate for female athletes. So he is at all of the, like, US Women's Olympic Games, which was really, really cool. He sponsored the US Women's water polo and hockey teams. And I want to say, when the women's hockey team won, the men's hockey team got invited to the White House, and Flav invited them to something very, very cool.
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Okay, I'm just seeing here. The United States women's hockey team has a date with Flavor Flav in Vegas in July to celebrate its gold medal victory in. In the Milan Cortina.
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You know, that's the party. Vegas and Flavor Flav in July.
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Nice.
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That's really good. So Drag Race falls into this category where I'm like. I like any competition show. I mean, I'll watch ones where it's like, who can be a chef on a boat? The best. I mean, I'll watch any competition show.
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Yeah, I. Well, I know that because that's. That's. You've spoken before about your love of Survivor.
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Of course.
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That's competition show, isn't it?
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Absolutely, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think I like it because the regular ones. And I guess I'm like, Love island is also technically a competition show, but it's a little more meandering than that. You know, it's like you're not necessarily being reminded that there's a winning and a losing in that show, right?
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Yeah, not really. I mean, obviously the end goal is to always stay in, isn't it? Yes, that is it. But, yeah, it's less about winning and it's more about longevity, isn't it? I think.
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I think I just am a competitive person and I do like rooting for something. I'm like. I like finding my character, like my person on the show that I identify with and then rooting for them. That's always fun. It's like a sports thing. It's like, this feels good because I am invested in this person's gameplay. So that's what I like.
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I get that. Is that the same? Do you have that with, like, the talent shows, like, or singing shows like America's Got Talent or the X Factor or anything like that?
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See, I don't. I honestly don't follow any of those. Yeah, I don't.
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Don't get it.
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Because I think it's less like strategy. There's not really strategy that you can employ in that. It's like, are you a good singer or are you a less good singer?
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True. I guess there's slightly more strategy in, like, America's Got Talent, for example, because you've got to do. I mean, there is the same with the X fact. You've got to have the right story,
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I suppose, but you can't make that up. You're not really in control of how they use your story. You think they're making it up?
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I think some people make it up.
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That's nice. I like that.
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I bet the stories of people have made it up.
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I'm sure that's true. Yeah. And then the editors just run with that. Or I think a lot of times the editors and producers probably tell them what to say, too.
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I think some of them are absolutely horrific people. There's a lot of manipulation going on there. But who are you drawn to then, in terms of you've got your favorite competition show. Are you so drawn to the underdog or the. I don't know, the schema?
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I'm drawn to it. Like, there are no rules in love and war type person?
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Well, sort of a dirty fighter.
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I kind of am. Because to me, I do view all of these as a game, you know, and in games you can cheat and in games you can throw someone under the bus. And in games, it's all a matter of, like, how you're being perceived. So not necessarily like a villain. I'm not like, oh, that person that Just like fought dirty is my, my favorite. But I'm, I like someone that is like, I'm willing to lie. I'm willing to do what I need to do to do it. At least in Survivor I get.
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Yeah. So, yeah, you're a fan of gamesmanship.
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I think so. I like real gamers I find very boring. The people that are like, I'm just gonna be as nice as possible and hope that merit gets me to the end. You do. You've watched some Love Island. You've watched some of the, like, less competition ones, right? Do you like those?
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There was one series of Love island that really got me. Yeah, it really got me in over here.
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Once you just like start liking a few of them, you get sucked in really quick.
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Yeah, you do. And I like, I think I've said this before, but I really like the routine of it. You know, having something that's on four or five nights a week, you go get back and catch up on Love island or whatever. But it's. Yeah, annoyingly, I wish it did. I wish it did grab me again. But it hasn't done for about five or six years.
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Yeah, I think that's. I watched the latest US one, but I'm about every sixth season I'll tune back in because it is so much time. I mean, you're like, okay. For a whole season of my year. I have a plan. Three days a week. It's too much.
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Yeah. It's not a million miles off, like Sopranos territory. You know, something that's actually really like worth watching long term, like a culturally important thing.
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Yeah. I think I've said this. Big Brother does the same thing where it's three or four nights a week, but also the real Big Brother fans you can watch live 24 hour camera footage like of the house. So then I have one Big Brother fan friend and he's watching the camera. It's up on his second monitor while he's working the whole time. Just in case, like something cool happens, he'll be the first to see it.
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Wow.
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So I think that is, that is far too much for me.
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I do think that is too much. Does your friend run some sort of community based around this or kind of?
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Yeah. He's involved in a lot of like group chats of reality show games and he runs a draft for us for Survivor. So it's whoever picks kind of the best team gets a burrito at the end of the show.
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Nice. What a good idea.
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Yeah. I haven't won the burrito yet. It's been a few seasons.
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Hang on. So there's only one winner of Survivor, isn't there?
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Yes, but you pick your. Like you pick three contestants that you think you know could be in the final three and when they get out, you're like, you get a nine if they're like the ninth out. So you want to have your numbers as high as possible.
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That's a great idea.
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Yeah. So it's like if your person makes it to the end, that's really great. But you might have also picked someone that was a first out, so your numbers are going to be pretty skewed.
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Yeah. So someone who maybe picked like 7th and 8th might be better off in that.
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Yes. Yeah. I have two out of my three have already gone out, so that's not great.
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And how long left?
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Maybe like five episodes. It's not great.
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I hope you don't want burrito.
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I've learned to live without it. I'm a loser.
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And on that note, I think probably about time we turned it in. K.P.
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i think so. What a great chat. I'll talk to you next time. Good night, Matt.
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Night, K. Sa. Sam sa. To learn more about our phone free light and audio experience, head to Hatch Co. You can also follow us at Hatch Podcasts.