A (1:54)

Neutral smells.

B (1:57)

Other than that, I don't know.

A (1:59)

Yeah, I think you're right, though. I think it's like keeping smells to a minimum and jarring sounds.

B (2:06)

Yeah, exactly. Headphones in and no crazy sandwiches.

A (2:09)

Yep. Two rules. Like, on a chalkboard. Yeah, Basically, headphones in, no crazy sandwiches. So tonight I would like to walk us through a drowsy history. The event I would like to talk about tonight is. And I think maybe this is one that's in your wheelhouse as well. The Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum heist.

B (2:36)

It is in my wheelhouse. I feel so excited for the first time ever, because history to me is, like, completely unknowable. I'm like, that's actually crazy that you guys even know that. And so I feel really excited. I know about this. I've consumed many forms of media about it, and I'm excited to hear about it again.

A (2:56)

So there's a documentary On Netflix called this is a Robbery that I think is very good.

B (3:02)

Yeah.

A (3:03)

So this took place in Boston, which is important to the listener. And they give one of the women who's on camera a glass of water to drink, you know, if she gets parched during the interview. And she goes, ugh, I hate water.

B (3:20)

I feel like I remember that vaguely.

A (3:22)

So funny. So there's this. There's documentary, but then there's also, I think maybe even better. There is a podcast called Last Seen S E E N. And it's from Boston Public Radio. And it's really, really good. It came out like, I don't know, 2017 maybe.

B (3:43)

Yeah.

A (3:44)

I was working in a writer's room and I got several of the other writers obsessed with it and we would just talk about it like it was severance.

B (3:53)

Well, it's so interesting. And also I love, like, art heists because, like, you know, I have a lot of complicated feelings about true crime. Same though. I still consume it, but it is, like, morally completely dubious to me. But with an art heist, you're like, okay, there's no, like, real victims. Like, it's amazing.

A (4:11)

Yeah.

B (4:11)

And it's fun because you also can, like, root for the criminal, which I really have a fun time doing.

A (4:17)

I love like a scam. Like a. Not like just a little scam, but like a big picture. I truly, I like, really think that when you're, like, doing that kind of forgery, it is more or less a victimless crime.

B (4:31)

I totally agree. Because it's like, what people who are paying like a bunch of money for wine. I'm like, sorry, you think to you it tastes the diff. It tastes the same or you never drink it, you just keep it in your cellar for the rest of your life. But with the art too, I'm like, you're stealing stolen art.

A (4:46)

Yeah.

B (4:46)

So have at it.

A (4:49)

So, okay, so this. Let's go back in time a long time. But not like, I have a big problem with dates where. Especially things that happened outside of the United States because again, I'm small minded. But someone will be like, when was the treaty of Ghent signed? And I'm like, no idea. No, dates mean nothing to me.

B (5:11)

Yeah.

A (5:11)

But this heist, the Isabella Stewart Gardner heist, took place in 1990 in Boston, Massachusetts.

B (5:18)

Yeah.

A (5:19)

An important thing about the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, which I went to. Have you ever been?

B (5:25)

Yeah, I've been multiple times. It's beautiful.

A (5:27)

It's beautiful. And it's this rich. This weird rich lady who is long deceased at this point. It was her residence and her private art collection. And when she established the trust that her residence would be a museum, she stipulated, like, it stays the way I like it. She just arranged it how she thinks looks cool.

B (5:49)

She's like, this is my feng shui.

A (5:50)

This is my feng shui. Exactly. Touch it, don't mess with it. It's going to mess up the whole vibe.

B (5:57)

And she's kind of right. It's beautiful the way she set it up.

A (6:00)

Yeah, it's really lovely. And nobody can change anything about the museum. So when you go to the museum now, there are places where paintings were cut out of their frames with razors as part of this heist. And they, the people who work at the museum are not allowed to replace them with anything. So there's just empty picture frames, which is extremely fascinating and cool. Yeah, I think it's cool.

B (6:32)

I'm part of the history.

A (6:34)

Yeah, I like it. So it's the night of St. Patrick's Day, 1990, and it's technically March 18, but it's like 2:30am the night of St. Patrick's Day. So everyone in the city of Boston hammered. Important scheduling choice, of course. Two people show up outside the museum dressed as cops, and they kind of call into the museum and they go, hey, we're the cops. You gotta let us in. So you can. We had a call. There's a problem in your museum. And so that there's two guards that are both in their, like, early to mid-20s. They let these fake cops in. Yeah, the fake cops. So this is where the harm is done. But these guys both ended up okay. I don't want anyone to feel weird. They brought them immediately, were like, okay, now we're gonna duct tape over your eyes so you can't see, and we're gonna take you down to the basement and duct tape you to a pipe, and then we're gonna rob the museum. The reason that this was possible, like, there are readouts from the security system of, like, footsteps throughout all these different rooms. But the reason it was possible was because between the museum running low on money in the 80s and the way the trust stipulates, you can't make major renovations to the museum, There were all these security updates that were recommended by experts and other museums that have better security, but they just hadn't done them. The board was like, no, it's too expensive. It's too much change.

B (8:13)

Like, why would anyone rob our museum, right?

A (8:16)

Our, like, little. Our cute little mansion.

B (8:19)

Our, like, boutique museum. Yeah.

A (8:22)

So. But it is. So they stole 13 pieces of art, including one of, like, 32 known Vermeer paintings. The phrase that always gets thrown around with this is Rembrandt's only seascape.

B (8:36)

Yes.

A (8:38)

Every piece of media would be like, they took Rembrandt's only seascape. And it was like, you guys are obsessed with guys painting the ocean, huh?

B (8:46)

They are.

A (8:47)

And it's not all paintings. There's a Chinese gu, which is like a bronze vase, drinking vessel type thing that was stolen as well. So 13 pieces, and it remains, I believe, the biggest unsolved art heist in history.

B (9:06)

Yeah, I think it was the biggest one at that time. The most expensive art heist at the time. I don't know if that's changed since then.

A (9:13)

I think that's true. It's something like the value of the art is, like, listed at something like $800 million total.

B (9:21)

It's crazy.

A (9:22)

And it has not been solved to this day. And it was these two guys that robbed the museum. Thirteen pieces of art, all different kinds of art from all different places in the museum. There's kind of no known rhyme or reason. Like, nobody has been able to go like, oh, they looked for this kind of stuff or this kind of stuff. It just seemed like they kind of.

B (9:45)

Took, like, what they wanted. Yeah. It's like they were like, this will go well in my living room.

A (9:50)

In the spirit of the museum itself of like, oh, yeah, like, we're just taking. We're. We're a vibes based heist.

B (9:58)

Yes, exactly.

A (10:00)

There have been all these different theories about who was involved in the heist, and a lot of them center around, like, crime families around Boston and some, like, Connecticut and Rhode Island. There was a theory for a while that the art was being used as kind of collateral as, like a trade to get a crime boss out of prison. Like, okay, we'll. We'll turn over this art to the FBI if you drop the charges against this member of the mob.

B (10:30)

But that never happened.

A (10:32)

It didn't go through. Yeah. One of the fascinating things that I learned from Last Scene, the podcast is they were like, so when people think of art heist, they think of, like, Pierce Brosnan and the Thomas Crown Affair. Right. Of like a guy in a tuxedo, kind of a dapper kind of thief. Yeah, but really who steals art is like, who steals anything?

B (11:01)

Yeah.

A (11:01)

They just happen to have access to art and like, oh, right, Duh. There's not just like some kind of fancy crimesman who does that.

B (11:12)

Some guy who's like, yeah, I really just appreciate the brushstroke.

A (11:15)

Right. Because like you're not like when you commit an art, I said so rarely. Like you said, like, I'm going to put it up in my apartment or like.

B (11:22)

Yeah, exactly, home.

A (11:23)

It's like to flip it right through other channels or like some kind of fence.

B (11:29)

Yeah.

A (11:29)

And then, and then sell it to, to a real collector. But like, the problem with this is the art is so known for being stolen that it's like the heat never really died down on some of this. There have been rumors through the years that like some Boston crime figures would have pieces of the art like in their home.

B (11:50)

One of my favorite parts of it is that the. Everyone thought it was like, well, it's sad but funny in some ways, which is that everyone thought it was one of the security guards, like doing like an inside job because. Because the security was so lax. And like, I think you said this, the security guards were basically like 20 year old guys or whatever, like really young people who weren't like that trained or whatever in like, you know, protecting fine art. And so they would have parties there at the museum. Yeah, they would have like, one of them would have. They'd have concerts there, like, have their friends over playing music and like, I don't know, getting high or whatever. And so for a long time everyone thought it was like one of the, the guards, which I don't think is true. I think that's become pretty clearly not true.

A (12:33)

Yeah. It seems, because there were also so a couple other elements of that too. Right. Like it was suspicious because one of the guys was on his first ever night watch.

B (12:42)

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (12:43)

And there was a door that had been propped open to the side. So there a lot of like, oh, were these guys in on it or were they cut in on it? Was this their plan? And it seems to have not borne out. Like these, these guys don't seem like.

B (12:59)

It seemed like they were just going outside to smoke weed is kind of what was actually happening. And they brought the door open.

A (13:05)

Right. They were like, oh, it's 2:00am on St. Patrick's Day. We're security at this. Like not one of the bigger museums in the city of Boston. And we just have to like hang out here all night. We're gonna go get high.

B (13:18)

Yeah. Which I think is really funny. But yeah. And then also the, as you were saying, like the documentary on Netflix or whatever had the angle of like it was a mafia thing or whatever.

A (13:29)

Yeah.

B (13:30)

And then at the end it's like this woman is like, oh, yeah, I'VE like seen it. There's some guy that they think, I don't know his name, but it's some guy they think it is. And she's like, oh yeah, I think he has it in his living room, like hanging up in his living room.

A (13:43)

It's really funny. Like the girlfriend of like kinda low key Boston mobster. It's really fascinating. The podcast goes kind of down every rabbit hole and kind of like debunks the major theories one at a time. Where I think the Netflix doc kind of presents the story and then is like, and here's like generally what we think happened. But the podcast is like eight hours long and it gets a little more granular about like, okay, we talked to everyone who knows this Boston mobster who has passed away and like we couldn't pin it on him. And it's also, oh, the other part is like the two security guards do not seem to have appreciably changed their lifestyle in the interceding 35 years. Like neither one of them like skipped town and lives in the Cayman Islands.

B (14:31)

Yeah, I mean if that was me at that time. And you're like, you get hired there. You're like, can't be that serious. They hired me to do it. Like whatever.

A (14:40)

No, totally. Here are a couple other facts from the pillow. Ford Encyclopedia Gardner herself, Isabella Stewart Gardner, seemed to enjoy flirting with scandal and gossip. She once arrived at a Boston Symphony Orchestra performance in a hat band emblazoned with the name of her favorite baseball team, the Red Sox. And an illustration in an 1897 edition of the Boston Globe showed her apparently taking one of the Boston Zoo's lions for a walk. Shout out to Franklin Park.

B (15:12)

Yeah, she was eccentric for sure.

A (15:15)

When the Mona Lisa was stolen in 1911, Gardner told her museum guards that if they saw anyone trying to rob them, they should shoot to kill. Which I don't think you can do. Like, I don't think that's like a directive museum guards are allowed to have.

B (15:29)

I don't think so. That's crazy.

A (15:33)

So one of the other items stolen was a 10 inch tall French imperial eagle finial. Like a little sculpture from a corner of a framed flag for Napoleon's imperial guard. And there's a $100,000 re just for information leading to the return of that finial.

B (15:50)

It's crazy.

A (15:51)

Yeah.

B (15:51)

So guys, if you know anything.

A (15:52)

Yeah, if you know anything, call us, we'll split the reward with you.

B (15:55)

Just let us know first and we'll do a, you know, a split.

A (15:59)

Yeah, I think that Seems very reasonable. But I just like love, I like love this story because again, nobody got badly hurt. I know those guys seemed fine, a little shaken up. And obviously I'm not endorsing duct taping guys to a poll.

B (16:16)

Of course not.

A (16:17)

But it is such a fascinating story and the fact that it was never.

B (16:20)

I know, never solved. I want to know so bad. That's one of the things I would love to know. But it does seem like you said this kind of earlier, which is that like, who knows what their intent was even to do with it. But it's like whatever it was, it's way too high profile. Which I think is a huge problem with art heist, obviously is that like, if you're doing it to like sell it or something, if you garner a lot of attention, then like, it's way too. There's way too much attention on it for you to try to sell it or get rid of the pieces or whatever.

A (16:49)

Yeah. I really wonder because they obviously had such a good plan that it went right for them. They didn't get hurt, they didn't commit additional crimes that they were then caught for. This is the biggest unsolved art heist in history. And there had been an attempt to rob the museum, I think in that case, 80s. And that led to them going like, we gotta beef up security. And then the board.

B (17:17)

Nah, never mind. They're like, we need one more 18 year old. Does anyone know anyone?

A (17:23)

Does anyone have any unreliable friends that they want to bring in on this?

B (17:28)

Do any of the security guards have friends that could come hang out?

A (17:31)

How about the band that plays in the basement? Do they want to be security guards too?

B (17:34)

Let's get them in on it.

A (17:35)

Yeah. So it is like, really? I don't know. I just think about it all the time. I like, will consume any media about it.

B (17:43)

And I wouldn't tell anyone.

A (17:45)

No, I would be so cool about it.

B (17:47)

I would be like, awesome. Lips are sealed.

A (17:50)

Yeah. So if you want to collect the reward, email us. Or if you just know but you don't want us to.

B (17:56)

Let us know.

A (17:57)

You can let us know too, and we'll just tell each other and then we'll. Yeah, we'll keep it on our way.

B (18:02)

That's it. That's our secret.

A (18:03)

That's right. It's between us and the crime families of southern New England.

B (18:08)

Yes, exactly. The person who has it up hanging in their living room.

A (18:13)

God, that would be so cool.

B (18:15)

I know. You go into someone's house and you're like, it's a finial.

A (18:19)

Yeah, it is. It's a finial from Napoleon's flag. Is that Rembrandt's only seascape?

B (18:27)

Oh, my God. It's Rembrandt only seascape.

A (18:30)

Now I know that's a seascape. I think it's a Rembrandt. And if memory serves, there's only one.

B (18:35)

He only did one. Well, one day we'll get to the bottom of it.

A (18:41)

I think we will. You and I are gonna crack this case.

B (18:43)

The two of us will put our heads together. And you know what, Josh? I'm getting pretty sleepy, all this thievery talk. So I think I gotta turn in. Yeah, me too.

A (18:57)

I am really exhausted. I'm gonna have dreams of heists and the sea. Good night, Sophia.

B (19:05)

Good night, Josh.

A (19:29)

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