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Audio for sleep by hatch. What a beautiful evening, everyone. I'm kp.
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And I'm Oscar. Welcome to the nightly from Hatch where your late night thoughts go to rest.
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You might be all surprised to not hear that familiar British olroit at the top of the episode. Our lovely Matt Bragg is on his standup tour right now, so this week we are joined by the wonderful Oscar Montoya. He has been on this podcast before discussing antm. Who knows what he's gonna talk about today. You know him from TV shows like Minx, he's a regular on Dropout TV and he has his podcasts Drag her and Eurovangelist. Oscar, thank you so much for joining us here on the nightly as my co host this week.
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Oh my gosh, how exciting. Kp, I'm. I'm thrilled to. To chat with you.
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I know I didn't get to talk to you last time. I'm especially interested. Not to dive right in here, but I'm especially interested. I'm a big fan of Drag her, but I have not heard Eurovangelist. Can you explain it to me?
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Of course, yeah. So Ur Evangelist is a podcast created by me, Demetri Pompeii and Jeremy Bent, and just three Americans trying to evangelize Eurovision to other American audiences. Because here's the thing, not a lot of people know about eurovision in the U.S. you know, when I talk about Eurovision, I'm met with a lot of blank stares from people. But in Europe, it is the biggest thing you could possibly imagine.
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Okay, I have a billion questions because I'm kind of the blank stare end of the spectrum here. I know some of the top hits though, because some make it across my desk. That absolutely. That one with kind of like vocal throatiness that isn't that one one. And I'm really sorry to have done that.
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I think you're thinking of korn.
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Yes. The incredible European band Corn.
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I think you're thinking of Netta Toy.
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Yes, I am.
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She won in 2018. Yes, she does the chicken.
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Yes. Okay, this is exactly it. Okay. She is Eurovision.
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True, she's Eurovision. She came in first place. Yes. But you might be familiar with other artists that have broken to the mainstream, like ABBA.
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Of course.
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ABBA's famous for winning in 1974 for Waterloo. And then you have Celine Dion, I know her. Who won in 1988 and changed her entire life. Also a little known fact is that in 1974, when ABBA won, a little unknown by the name of Olivia Newton John also competed in Eurovision and also Blew up.
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What is insane to me is how long it's been going on and how the interest is still high because you think of our singing or musical or talent based shows and I mean, the, like, actual public interest doesn't last that long. If I may.
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Not at all.
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Like American Idol. I couldn't tell you the last 10 winners.
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When did American Idol sort of dip? I'm trying to remember. Like.
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Like Archuleta.
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Archuleta might have been the last.
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That's like, we're not listening anymore.
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Did Archuleta win?
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No. Second place. I thought, wow. Well, because he was a classic Clay Aiken where it's like, we all loved the second place winner on that year too.
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That was a bit of a prototype.
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Yeah.
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But I think it speaks a lot to sort of the machine that is the US like, people don't go to the Voice to become huge recording artists unless I'm m. There was a huge recording artist that came out of the Voice that I'm really not thinking about.
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Like, Melanie Martinez might have been the one.
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Melanie Martinez. Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah. I actually saw that season with Melanie Martinez and there was something about Christina Aguilera's notes to Melanie Martinez every time where she, like, could not stand her at all. All her feedback was like, I like your staging. Yeah. Your voice is weird.
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I mean, it's insane that people. They choose to be the judges because I'm like, I mean, we have to be honest about what these people's experience has been and how different it is. I mean, they have country people sometimes that I'm like, guys, I mean, how much effort can he give to this? His voice is super distinct. And some would say bad. Some, not me, of course.
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Yeah. Distinct is a polite way of saying bad, bad.
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So I don't know. There's really interesting voice. And then of course, they'll come from left field and be like, and now it's Ariana. And you're like, well, sure. Well, absolutely.
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Yeah. And then, not to mention the international seasons of the Voice that have artists like Will. I am, who is a nice producer, but in terms of, like, musical technique, I don't know if he can really help. Boy George, for example.
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I mean, what are the connections there?
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Great legend, amazing. But also what. How random.
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You know, Reba, God bless. Listen, I'll never say a bad word against her.
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Love Reba.
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But do I think that she has the most, like, I know how to build a star. I don't know. She has two songs. I don't know. God bless. And then Gwen well, not to tangent out too much. Did you see Gwen's latest performance of no Doubt at this festival?
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Oh, my gosh, I heard it was not great. Kp, what happened?
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I mean, okay, listen, obviously I love no Doubt. Same No Doubt is not Gwen Stefani anymore. We can't put those two in the same sentence even.
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She's like a different human being, isn't she?
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She really is so different. This is Gwen Shelton.
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Yes.
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And she tried to kind of put back on the plaid punk pants and she sang like three words. They were all in different time signatures.
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I mean, this is not the same person. Yeah, it's not you. You know, the thing that I say about Gwen Stefani is that she is. She's a bit of a collector of cultures. I'll say.
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Absolutely.
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She's a bit of a. Yeah. And there's something quite poetic about this new stint of Gwen Stefani where she is finally co opting white culture final.
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It is true. It's like, okay, we'll all end up where we need to, won't we?
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I've been around the world, I've collected.
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Okay, my little tangent on the tangent. On the tangent is one time I was in a Malibu grocery store and I was behind checking out behind Blake Shelton. He was getting. And not to put him on blast. I think it's a lovely things that he was getting. He got a handle of some alcohol. He got a 2 liter of some Mountain Dew. And then he got a tabloid magazine where the front cover said, blake and Gwen splitting up. Is that not fast? I swear on my honor.
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That's so funny. Did you say anything?
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No, but I was like, that is so funny to bring home to Gwen Stefani. Hey, sweetheart. I brought home Mountain Dew, a handle.
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They're talking about us.
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Did you know we're splitting up? I think that's. It made me really think. It was so lovely of him. I'm like, that's really funny.
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I think you might have a sense of humor about this.
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Yeah. I mean, to buy your own tabloid where you're like bringing it home, being like, honey, we're splitting up. I think that's cute.
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Yeah. Unless the reality is he's giving it to his lawyer. Yeah.
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It's like, we are.
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We are. This, this. They shouldn't know about this.
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Okay. This is. This was all about America. We take our singing shows a little different. So this is interesting.
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Yes. And I'll say this, that America actually tried to do a version of Eurovision called the American Song Contest, hosted by none other than one of The Voice's judges, Kelly Clarkson and Snoop Dogg.
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And why not?
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Exactly. Why not?
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And throw him in there. He's already hosting 87 shows right now
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and commercials for bicpins and the Olympics. I don't know, I don't understand. I it. What is happening? If anyone told me in like 1998, totally. That Snoop Dogg would become, first of all, Martha Stewart's best friend.
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Fascinating.
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Number two, a household name in the hosting game, I would be like, you're insane.
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Good for him. He's like the king of like. Yeah, I'm available. I'll take that. Not a problem.
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Literally.
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And I was talking the other day about, on this podcast about how Flava Flav is like the number one supporter of women's Olympics.
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Yes.
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And I was like, that is another one that is really fascinating to me
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where it's like it helped fund a team because they didn't have like money for uniforms and stuff.
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Yes. And he took the women's hockey team because, you know, the men's was invited to the White House.
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That's right.
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He took the women's hockey team to Vegas or something for fun. God bless.
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Wow.
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Okay. But Snoop Dogg and Kelly Clarkson.
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Kelly Clarkson, Yes. So the conceit was every state in the U.S. and its territories would compete for the best song. And it was, to say the least, a hot. It was a week of programming and it revved up to the finals. No one cared. Not a single person cared about it. Oklahoma ended up winning with, interestingly enough, a K pop song.
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When I think K pop, I think Oklahoma. Snoop Dogg, Kelly Clarkson. Those three words just flash into my mind.
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You'd be correct by an artist named Alexa, who is a great artist. The song is fine. But also the way that it was run, it was tragic, just bad, just very bad. And so it made me think, like, why? Why no good in the US but why great in Europe? What's the difference? Okay, my theory is that I don't think America understands the concept of camp.
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Uh huh.
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In the way that a lot of European countries do.
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Yeah.
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They're not accepting of this idea because here's the thing, Eurovision started out as a song contest in 1956, but it has evolved into this sort of a spectacle with a lot of costuming, a lot of lighting, intricacies, a lot of really incredible staging, choreography, all of that stuff that's become essential in doing well in Eurovision. And I think when it translates to the US people are just not really into that. They're just sort of like, it's gotta Be like literal or genuinely good. And that's why the American Song Contest did not do well. Also, like, a huge majority of the songs were country songs, which, I mean, that is most of America, obviously. But in terms of variety, there wasn't really a lot of it. And I think that's why a K pop song won because it was just so different.
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So this campiness, I mean, I would argue ABBA is incredibly camp. I don't like there's so much spectacle. Has it always been. I mean, I'm sure there's been some years where a beautiful ballad wins, of course.
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Oh, 100%. Yes.
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But it's like the song from maybe a few years ago. I'm not going to remember that one either. And I won't do a corn riff this time. But weren't there like long haired co ed team that like, the song is kind of funny sounding and they won, I think.
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Yes. There is an artist that competed last year, his name is Tommy Cash and he had a song called Espresso Macchiato. And it is the silly. I just want you to look at a picture of Tommy Cash.
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Let me look in the encyclopedia here. Yes, copy. Absolutely copy that. So what I'm looking at, folks, is a thin, sort of John Waters esque mustache, A long, thin hair. It's just a really striking European face. There's no other way to describe it. That's a European face.
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Tommy Cash was famous for sort of going to fashion shows dressed as ridiculous, ridiculous outfits. He's like a performance artist. And his song Espresso Macchiato is sort of just like making fun of like Italian phrases. And it's a nothing song.
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Okay. Yeah.
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And it came in third place last year because it was just fun and stupid and silly.
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Yeah.
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But, you know, sometimes that's important, you know, like, for example, the song that won this year was huge because Bulgaria won and they haven't done Eurovision in a very, very long time, just for financial reasons. And they showed up and they had a song called Bangaranga, which means like cheerful chaos. And it's a banger. It's sung by an amazing artist named Dara. And no one thought that she was gonna win. It's not a popular country. Bulgaria has never won Eurovision before. Wow. And when she performed the song originally, it was very simple. And then when the semifinals came, she reworked the entire staging of the song, reconceptualized it from the ground up and it was incredible.
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Wow.
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And so she won. And Bulgaria has their first win, which is always a huge mom, in Eurovision, when a new country wins, because there's certain countries that just dominate Eurovision totally. Sweden is like number one.
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They know how to write a song
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over there, you know? And Ireland also has, I think, is tied for the most wins in Eurovision history because they completely dominated in the 90s.
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Sure.
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Do you remember the Celtic craze of the 90s?
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Okay, well, I recently went to karaoke and it was like something entered the bars Airstream where everyone was doing a 90s Irish song. Yeah. It was like we all agreed without speaking that we were going to keep it rolling. So it was like back to back to back Irish songs.
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Yes.
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Riverdance too. I saw Riverdance in person in the 90s, I think.
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Are you serious?
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I think so. My mom, I think, took me when it was touring or something.
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Get out of here. Fun story. River Dance became popular because of Eurovision.
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And here we are, folks.
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They were the interval act in 1994 and blew up after that.
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Whoa.
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And completely dominated.
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Okay, I remembered the song that I was really good at describing. Okay. This was Iceland. Think about things, because this went huge on TikTok.
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Of course. Daddy Freyr.
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Yes, yes.
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So a really annoying thing about that song is that it was released in 2020. And that is the reason why I found out about Eurovision was because 2020 was the only time that the Eurovision Song Contest was canceled due to Covid. And I read an article about it and I was like, what is this, Eurovision?
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I have no idea what this is.
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And then I heard the songs that would have performed in Eurovision and Daddy Freyer's Think About Things was one of them. And I was like, what is this? Incredible.
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It's incredibly hooking.
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Oh, my God. It is like perfectly built pop song.
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Totally.
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And his voice is unbelievable. Also. He's like over 7ft tall.
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It's wild. I mean, it's such a visual. Like, this is the thing is like, the song is good. But then I watched the performance and I was like, whoa. I'm like mesmerized. It's like cocomelon for me. I'm like, whoa. There's just so much going on. I'm in.
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I guess Eurovision is my cocomelon. You frame that so well.
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I love to hear that this was a 2020 way in for you. Because my favorite thing in the world is Survivor. I feels like I've loved it my whole life, but it is like, oh, yeah, 2020 was really the first year I got in. And now I'm like, well, yeah, I've always been a super fan. It's like, well, it just hit me.
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Did you watch Survivor before the pandemic or did you start watching it?
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Not really, but I went crazy that first year of the pandemic. I was like, and here we are, 40 seasons straight to my gullet.
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So from 1 to 40.
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No, I did in an order that my friend who's a super fan was like, here are the best ones. And then you can kind of put these on in the background later.
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Incredible.
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So I haven't technically seen all of them. Some of the more like, who cares. Ish ones I haven't seen. Okay, but this is like sometimes the thing that was like, hyper fixating on 2020, it was like, yeah, this is what I was waiting for.
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We all had to do that now. Okay, this is interesting because I'm also on a Survivor journey currently. I'm not fully caught up yet, but it is an incredible show. Kp, please tell me.
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Oh, my God.
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Which are the best seasons? Which seasons to avoid?
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People are running to turn their hatch off right now because it's all I talk about. They're like, please get this girl. Another thing to say, please. They're running to hit the button. It's so sad for them. But I'll never stop. And I'm really sorry. If even one person has been inspired to start this, I'll have done my job. The best one to start with is David versus Goliath, Mike White's first season.
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That's what I'm currently watching.
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Oh, my God.
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It is unreal. The fact that Mike White was on Survivor still blows my mind. And apparently he's back for 50
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because at the time it was like people knew him, but it was like, oh, he wrote School of Rock in Orange County. It was like, okay, he's like a bit of a. Maybe a movie. One hit Wonder. And then of course, we got White Lotus after. So it was like, at the time, it wasn't as big as now you're like, whoa, I can't believe Mike White was on it. But at the time it was like, oh, the screenwriter guy.
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Yes. Yeah. But you know what's so funny is because I knew. I mean, I knew Mike White because he made Year of the Dog, which is an incredible movie. But he was also on a season of the Amazing Race with his dad.
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Okay. He's like a total reality head. Yeah.
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He loves reality and does really well. And so I was gagged when he was on the Amazing Race. But then to find out that he was on Survivor was even because, like, who would you Ever want to do Survivor?
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More than anything. Yeah. I. I'm in. I'm always constantly in the middle of my tape because I'm trying to make it. Like, I only apply once and I get on once. I'm like, that's it. It'll be like just a perfect tape. It's my magnum opus.
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If you send in the tape, you will kp. You're gonna get in on the show.
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I have a good. I'm really working my story where I'm
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like, do you know the strategy? Yeah.
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Because I do have a lot of. I'm like, I've become friends with many Survivor, like, players that have played. I've become friends with some casting people, like, just in. Because I've done the, like, the events in person. Like, I've done. I did a five day version of it.
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How'd you do?
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I won. I mean, folks, what can we say this? So I think I have the right. I'm really just trying to make it. Yeah. Perfect little tape and a perfect little story to be on 52.
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You were in the woods for five days?
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Yeah. Five days in the middle of a cornfield against 24 other people.
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That's a huge cast.
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Oh, my God, it was big. And then I didn't eat a thing for five days. I had one bite of rice. I don't know if you can tell, it was two years ago. I'm blowing away in the wind. It was so much fun. I mean, it was exhausting. I got poison ivy. I mean, it was just really. It was so fun.
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You're kidding.
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Yeah, it was a blast.
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So you're like, you've like, you're kind of trained to do this.
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I've done some one dayers. I've done some three days. I've, I've enjoyed the process. Yeah, I like playing.
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Would you say you're a competitive person?
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I would. And so would a lot of other people that have had the misfortune of meeting me. I sure would. Yeah. One girl I truly barely knew was like, you know, I just wanted you to know you're the most competitive person I've ever met. And I was like, oh, that's really bad because we've only exchanged like four words. That's really bad. Really bad. God bless. I like a game.
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I love it. I love it. You and I are incredibly different in that regard. I love playing games. I am frustratingly non competitive in a way where other people are just like, lock in. What? Lock in, please. This past weekend, I did a online traders game for Charity.
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Oh, absolutely. I've played that exact one the way with that host.
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With Matthew Gibbs. Shout out to Matthew Gibbs.
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Shout out. Matthew.
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It was really fun, but I could. And I was doing it with like people who've done Survivor, people who've played the traitors, people who've done Big Brother, like, gamers, Gamers, gamers. And they operate on a different.
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It's crazy.
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They're just like hovering in a different stratosphere than me. I'm just like, I'm happy to be here.
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But how did you do? Did you get pretty.
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I won. I was a faithful. Luckily. Was a faithful.
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Thank goodness.
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Okay, see, I won, but it was tough because everyone thought I was a traitor because I was so non competitive.
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But this is like, I think sometimes the most confusing thing someone can do in those games is just be like likable. It's like everyone's like, wait, what? That's weird. That's odd. So I think it's. It really throws people for a loop when you're like, no, I'm just happy to have fun.
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I really recognized that that was. I was like, oh, I think that's what saved me ultimate. Well, what saved me was I kept winning challenges, which that's a huge surprise for me because again, I'm not competitive, but like, I was supposed to be eliminated tonight and I won an immunity challenge and that's the reason why I was able to make it all the way. But it's fun. It's so fun playing these games.
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It's so fun. Well, folks, we're gonna speak, I'm sure, more about competitions, more about all of these things that we love because Oscar will be here for a few more episodes, which I'm so excited about. But tonight my body is tired, so I'm going to bed. I want to say goodnight to Celine Dion. Gosh, I think she has some of the best songs of literally all time. And I just, I'm willing to, like, go to bat for her at any point. So good night, Celine Dion. I hope you're listening.
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That's beautiful. I'm heading off to bed and I like to wish a good night to Dara, the winner of this year's Eurovision Song Contest. And you know, Dara had a really hard time in the contest because a lot of people were bullying her, saying that she wasn't good enough. She's an embarrassment to Bulgaria. She was literally going to quit, I kid you not. She was so close to quitting. And then she got it together and won the entire thing. I mean, it's almost cinematic. Truly?
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Absolutely.
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And no one deserves to win more than Dara. I am so sorry. Proud of her. I don't even know her, but I'm
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wishing her a good night, Team Dara. And good night to all of you that are heading to bed. We'll talk to you next time. Good night to you, Oscar.
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Good night to you, KP.
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Sa. Sam sa. Sa. Foreign.
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The Nightly Podcast (June 1, 2026) — Guest: Oscar Montoya
Hosts: KP Parker and Oscar Montoya (guest co-host)
This bedtime podcast episode centers on the world of Eurovision—its history, its unique campy flair, and its cultural distinction from American music competitions. Guest co-host Oscar Montoya (comedian, TV actor, and co-host of Drag Her and Eurovangelist) brings his expertise as both a Eurovision superfan and evangelist to guide KP through the colorful, wild landscape of this international song contest. Along the way, the pair wander through related topics: the quirks of American competition shows, celebrity judges, viral performances, pandemic hyperfixations, and their own love of competitive reality gaming.
"[Eurovision] is the biggest thing you could possibly imagine [in Europe]." —Oscar ([01:22])
"I couldn't tell you the last 10 winners [of American Idol]." ([03:17])
"No one cared. Not a single person cared about it." —Oscar ([10:02])
"She reworked the entire staging...and it was incredible." —Oscar ([13:58])
"It's like cocomelon for me...I'm mesmerized." —KP ([16:13]) "I guess Eurovision is my cocomelon." —Oscar ([16:26])
"I won. Folks, what can we say?" —KP ([19:34])
"The most confusing thing someone can do in those games is just be like likable." —KP ([22:00])
"She was literally going to quit. I kid you not. She was so close to quitting. And then she got it together and won the entire thing. I mean, it's almost cinematic." —Oscar ([23:11])
The episode has a warm, playful, and meandering “late-night chat” feel—part education, part banter, and part cozy confessional. Oscar brings enthusiastic expertise and fondness for Eurovision’s silliness; KP offers genuine curiosity, American pop culture touchstones, and a competitive reality TV lens. The pair’s mutual love for spectacle and games shines through, making this a uniquely comforting and informative listen for night owls and pop culture fans alike.