For The Love of Dilfs w/ Oscar Montoya

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Nightly – “For The Love of Dilfs” w/ Oscar Montoya

Date: June 2, 2026
Hosts: KP Parker, with guest co-host Oscar Montoya
Theme: A playful, nostalgic, and affectionate deep-dive into the world of reality television – from competitive formats to the downright absurd – traversing personal favorites, forgotten gems, iconic moments, and the joy of delusional TV personalities.

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Nightly invites Oscar Montoya (Drag Her Podcast, Eurovangelist) to co-host alongside KP Parker for a warm and spirited conversation packed with reality TV nostalgia, guilty pleasures, and pop culture riffs. The pair revel in the competitive nature of reality TV, recount their favorite obscure and mainstream series, and debate the best reality TV moments of all time. True to The Nightly’s vibe, the tone is friendly, cozy, and gently irreverent—perfect for unwinding at bedtime.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reality TV Obsessions & Viewing Preferences

(00:33–02:24)

• Oscar shares how Drag Race supplanted Amazing Race as his reality TV obsession:
  Oscar: “That's sort of my Survivor is Drag Race... I love reality tv. Is it that obvious? I am obsessed.” (01:28)
• Both hosts agree: competitive elements like eliminations are essential to their reality TV enjoyment.
  KP: “I'm a little less in on the sit and talk ones... I need to have an elimination component.” (01:57)
• The hosts acknowledge the “gamification” of reality TV as the root of its addictive appeal.

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2. Guiltiest Pleasure Shows & Bizarre Formats

(02:33–16:12)

a. Extracted (02:40–04:56)

• KP describes Extracted, a competitive survival show where contestants’ loved ones compete in a house to send supplies:

  KP: “[Your] sister and brother will be like, Oscar needs to get a machete. I'm pressing the button. They're all fighting in this house to get us supplies... It's like Hunger Games esque.” (03:22)

• They note American reality TV’s tendency toward melodrama and chaotic production choices, comparing Extracted’s over-the-top trauma to Big Brother’s zany challenges.

b. Big Brother (04:56–07:12)

• Oscar finds Big Brother’s seasons “way too long” and cast members “wildly unhinged.”
  Oscar: “No disrespect... but they are just wildly unhinged people.” (05:18)
• KP decries the sameness and excessive number of confessionals:
  KP: “I hate the confessionals. I also think it's way too many. It's five episodes a week.” (05:58)
• They reminisce on the genre’s origins as “social experiments” rather than reality shows:
  Oscar: “The first season of Big Brother... they weren't marketed as reality shows. They were marketed as social experiments.” (07:12)

c. Forgotten Social Experiments: Kid Nation, The Swan, etc. (07:15–09:01)

• The hosts recall ethically questionable formats like Kid Nation:
  KP: “Nightmare Kid Nation... What if we put kids to build a town, what will they do?” (07:45)
• Oscar reflects on the genre’s “wild west” era resulting in odd, sometimes ethically shaky concepts.

d. Whodunit (09:57–13:10)

• Oscar’s pick: Whodunit, a murder mystery competition show, “cringe city” and under-watched, but beloved:

  Oscar: “It's essentially a murder mystery reality television show... They have to deduce, like, there's a crime that happens every episode.” (10:19)

• He recounts how the show’s realism forced producers to confirm contestants weren’t really killed.
• Personal note: Oscar’s roommate threw him a Whodunit-themed birthday party.

e. For The Love of DILFs (13:21–15:42)

• KP shares a fever dream favorite: a current gay dating show hosted by Stormy Daniels, where “daddies” and “himbos” pair up:

  KP: “It's a group of daddies and a group of himbos date each other. And then the winner wins... $10,000. Nothing at all.” (14:27)

• Oscar is incredulous, and both hosts are amused by the slapdash production and low-stakes prize.
• Stormy Daniels receives affectionately bemused critiques as host: “She’s just, like, hanging out. She’s excited to just, like, be in the group.” (15:30)

f. The Search for the Next Elvira (15:42–17:31)

• Oscar recalls a forgotten reality show where goth girls compete to become the next TV horror hostess.
• Many contestants reportedly had “no background in anything, really.” (17:24)

g. Scream Queens (17:31–19:52)

• Both celebrate Scream Queens—a competition to be cast in a Saw movie—where early career James Gunn served as judge.
• Star alumni like Tanedra Howard (Saw VI, Saw 3D) and Jaina Lee Ortiz (Station 19, Grey’s Anatomy) are mentioned.

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3. All-Time Great Reality TV Moments

(19:52–23:50)

• The hosts nominate their favorite ever scenes:

  • KP: The “You look like Beyonce / Luther Vandross” moment on Flavor of Love—highlighted for its comedic timing and rare unity among competitors:

    KP: “To me, you look like Luther Vandross is the best moment on television... All these girls have already fought... but they all came together... to laugh their butts off at [Hottie] thinking she looks like Beyonce.” (20:11–20:52) Oscar: “That is one of the most iconic moments in reality television... in a show designed to make these women fight each other, this was one of the rare moments where they all came together.” (21:11–21:19)

  • Oscar: Sue’s “rats and snakes” monologue from Survivor season one:

    Oscar: “She conceptualized the whole premise of Survivor... while also being petty as heck in that monologue.” (23:03)
    KP: “It's this gorgeous speech where she's putting down Richard Hatch by saying, like, some people act like rats, some people act like snakes. It's screaming gold.” (22:48)

• Other mentions: Drag Race moments and Spencer’s “natural” monologue in Survivor: Cagayan.

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4. A Toast to Iconic Delusion

(23:58–25:19)

• The episode closes with the hosts bidding a fond “goodnight” to Hottie from Flavor of Love, hailing her for embodying joyful, reality-TV delusion:

  KP: “Yeah, you should be delusional and you are fun to watch, and she's so herself.” (24:14) Oscar: “I need my reality television contestants to be delusional. It is why I inherently love drag queens... and Hottie does that so effortlessly.” (24:32)

• Oscar wishes for everyone to embrace a bit of “Hottie’s delusion” in their everyday lives—a cozy, affirming end to the discussion.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Oscar: “I'm waiting, salivating for a new season of Whodunit. I love that show so much that my old roommate made a whodunit themed birthday party for me.” (12:41)
• KP: “Stormy [Daniels] is, like, really one of the most insane hosts in the world. She's like, for many of it, I'm like, does she know the camera's on?” (15:12)
• Oscar: “The first season of Big Brother... they weren't marketed as reality shows. They were marketed as social experiments.” (07:12)
• KP: “To me, you look like Luther Vandross is the best moment on television. You had to be there.” (20:11)
• Oscar: “I need my reality television contestants to be delusional... I wish I could take a little bit of Hadi's delusion into my own life. And I hope you all do.” (25:01)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:33 – Welcome and guest co-host introduction
• 01:07 – Early discussion of Amazing Race, Drag Race, and reality TV fixations
• 02:33 – KP and Oscar share “dumbest guilty pleasure” reality shows
• 03:41 – Extracted and overproduced American reality TV
• 04:56 – Big Brother critiques and exploration of “social experiment” origins
• 09:57 – Oscar introduces Whodunit, leading to a murder mystery reality rabbit hole
• 13:21 – KP introduces For the Love of DILFs
• 15:42 – Oscar recalls The Search for the Next Elvira, Scream Queens
• 19:52 – Nominations for best reality TV moment of all time
• 23:58 – Bidding “goodnight” to favorite reality TV icons and the value of delusion

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Tone & Language

The conversation is witty, playful, and warmly mocking of the genre’s excesses—leaning into affectionate nostalgia, and gentle satire. Both hosts trade stories, banter, and pop culture references as if chatting with a friend before bed.

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking a comforting, comprehensive overview of an episode packed with unsung reality television, iconic moments, and quirky deep cuts—told with the candor (and giggles) of two pop culture friends keeping you company on a cozy, late night.

Transcript

[A]

Audio for sleep by Hatch. Good evening everybody. I'm kp.

[B]

And I'm Oscar. Welcome to the nightly from Hatch where your late night thoughts go to rest.

[A]

Our lovely Matt Bragg is still on tour doing some lovely stand up. So we have the wonderful Oscar Montoya here helping me co host. He has lovely podcasts like the Drag her podcast. And we were specifically talking about Eurovangelist, the podcast because he was getting me in on all of this Eurovision goodness. Oscar, thank you again for joining us.

[B]

Thanks for having me back.

[A]

We also talked last time about just kind of reality TV in general. We had a quick little drive by mentioning of Amazing Race with Mike White.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Now, do you watch a lot of Amazing Race?

[B]

I used to watch a lot of Amazing Race. I sort of fell off the bandwagon. I think just because Drag Race sort of took over my entire life, that's sort of my Survivor is Drag Race and. But I'm trying to catch up. I think after the pandemic seasons when you know. Cause you really couldn't fly.

[A]

Yes. Oh, of course.

[B]

What they decided to do was keep it localized to like France and Switzerland. To me I was like, oh, this is such an interesting. What a smaller sort of production for the show. But I'm trying to get back into it. I love reality tv. Is it that obvious? I am obsessed.

[A]

I do too.

[B]

What is it about reality TV that we love so much?

[A]

I do you have like because there's so many different types of reality tv. Of course I'm a little less in on the sit and talk ones. Like I'm not in the Bravo universe as much. Right. Same with you.

[B]

I need to have an elimination component to my reality TV shows.

[A]

Me too. It's competitive. Absolutely.

[B]

And I think maybe that's it. It's the gamification of reality television that I'm obsessed with.

[A]

Me too. And it's so nice. It's so self contained. It's. So you're following the like arc. I've watched some of the dumbest ones just because it's the new competitive one to watch.

[B]

Oh my God. Wait, can we talk about our dumbest guilty pleasure reality television shows?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What are some of your favorites ones

[A]

that stick out where I'm like, girl, why were you watching that? Okay, there's extracted. Is this kind of new ish1. Are you in on this?

[B]

I know this one.

[A]

Okay. It's on season two. It is Survivor meets alone meets like effing people over. Okay. So this is. We're sent out into the woods alone, completely Alone. And I have my own little GoPros. I'm filming myself back in a house. My two loved ones are watching me. You. Your two loved ones are watching you alone. All of these people are in this one house. And it's like your, you know, sister and brother will be like, oscar needs to get a machete. I'm pressing the button. They're all fighting in this house to get us supplies. It's like there's little challenges. They're just huge TVs where they're watching people survive out there, and then they're fighting to give us supplies. It's like Hunger Games esque.

[B]

I was just gonna say this feels very Hunger Gamesy.

[A]

It's bizarre.

[B]

I'm sure it was inspired by the Hunger Games. A thousand percent now are the people, are the loved ones competing for items.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So it's like a game within a

[A]

game, and it's cutthroat. Absolutely. So I started watching because Sandra from Survivor is on there with her daughter's husband, who's getting stuff going. Wow. Yeah. Iconic.

[B]

Sandra isn't the person that's, like, alone. She's one of the family members.

[A]

Yep. She's sitting in that booth while everyone else around her is fighting. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. And where. Where can I see this?

[A]

This is Hulu, but it is like, this is something with, I think, certain competition reality shows, and I think this is perhaps an American flavor where it's like this over traumatization of everything. Like, every button is, like, 18 wires for nothing. Cause I'm sure it's its own little booth. It's like, there's, like, so overproduced versions of everything. I don't know. There's some really odd vibes to this. Big Brother is like that too, where I'm like, they're playing inside of, like, a giant snot nose in some challenges, and you're like, why are we here? Like, what's going on?

[B]

Big Brother is the toughest.

[A]

Poor me.

[B]

I will still watch some of it. But first of all, seasons are way too long, way too many episodes. Can we condense Big Brother, please? And, yeah, I do find there is something about the. No disrespect to the players that have played Big Brother, of course, but they are just wildly unhinged people.

[A]

I know. And everything seems very scripted on that show, but in weird ways where they'll be like, the new head of household has something to learn if she's gonna mess with me. And you're like, wait, what's going on?

[B]

I haven't never clocked that until this very moment. Kp, there is some. The affectation of that show is interesting. They, like, sort of scream their lines. I feel like they have their own language in there. They're like, say, in the Big Brother way, because it is so. The cadence of how everyone speaks in confessionals is exactly the same.

[A]

I hate the confessionals. I know. I also think it's way too many. It's five episodes a week.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Way too much. And then I have friends that are such big brothers. Really. I can watch, like, one every five seasons because I'm like, I don't have the time. I really don't. I think I've seen, like, three seasons, but I might have friends that watch the live feeds. Not only do they watch five episodes a week, they're watching the live feeds of these people in these houses so that they can check, like, catch anything. Shout out to my friends. Of course I love you.

[B]

I think you shout out to my very bizarre friends.

[A]

You're very bizarre. And that's why I'm friends with you. But.

[B]

But I think it's the difference between the intention of how we consume reality television. Like, for us, we're not interested in that because there's no games being played. No one's.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

No one's playing. No one's competing. No one'. You know? But for them, I think it's like the sort of the social experiment of

[A]

like, oh, what's 90 days in a house?

[B]

You know what I mean? And okay, the other thing that I want to say, too, is, do you remember the early. I mean, the first season of Big Brother, which I saw in the first season of Survivor, which I saw, they weren't marketed as reality shows. They were marketed as social experiments.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Which I think is so fascinating.

[A]

They had a lot of shows like that at the time that was like, what? What if.

[B]

Yes. Kid Nation.

[A]

Kid Nation. I mean, like that. To me, you read about these, like, 1970s asylum projects that they, like, did. This was one of them. Kid Nation. Kid Nation was. Scientists really messed up with that one. Nightmare Kid Nation, by the way, for those that didn't know. Stop me if I'm wrong, Oscar. But it was like, 12 kids. What do they do without parents?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That was the whole thesis. It was like, if we put kids to build a town, what will they do?

[B]

Yep, that's it. That's the premise of it.

[A]

Ethically bad. I don't know. It was just.

[B]

Yeah. There are no parents. Kids make the rules. Oh.

[A]

Because didn't it turn Civil War, boy versus girl pretty quickly. It was like civil war broke out.

[B]

Turned boy versus girl almost immediately, I want to say. Yeah, it was. It was weird. It was so weird. But that was like the wild west of reality tv. It was like, because those shows did so well, they were like, well, we can do anything. And then created literal monsters like the swan, rhinoplasty. I mean, there's some. I got the dark stuff in there. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, like, it's just so funny how these social. I don't know how genuine they felt about the label social experiment, but it was interesting to be like, oh, yes. What would people be like in an island without food or water where they have to play these games and eliminate each other? What would it be like for all different kinds of people to be in a house together for so long? I remember. Did you ever see the first season of Big Brother?

[A]

I must have, but it's been forever. Yeah, I must have.

[B]

In the very first season, there was a woman, like a housewife who said on national television that she did not love her husband anymore. And it became a huge, huge deal. Huge deal where like, the husband was trying to win her back and she's like, oh. And she, like, realized, like, oh, no, there's repercussions to what? I. I can't just be saying that stuff.

[A]

Here's what's crazy. They kind of haven't learned anything. Because what I'll say is it's been 20 something years. Just celebrity big brother JoJo Siwa openly cheating ish on her girlfriend. I mean, is cuddling in the hot tub with Chris whoever.

[B]

Yeah. Who was this Chris person anyway?

[A]

I guess he was Love Island British guy. Okay, okay, what are your to go on back. What are your shows that you're like, how did the show get made? Why am I watching it? Okay.

[B]

I was obsessed with a show called. It's a show literally. I don't think a single person has watched. I think I was the demographic.

[A]

It piped right to your TV only. Yeah, I said just creepy. The creepypasta.

[B]

It was called Whodunit. Kp. Are you familiar with Whodunit?

[A]

I never heard that day in my life.

[B]

Okay, well, all the episodes are on YouTube, so if you're curious about it, go on YouTube and find it. You can see every single episode of the first and only season of Whodunit. And it was essentially a murder mystery reality television show where a bunch of people live in a mansion for however long and they're trying to deduce who the murderer is. It's very similar to the mole where one of the contestants is the killer, the hired killer. And they have to deduce, like, there's a crime that happens every episode.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they have to sort of find out who they think it is, what means they murdered the person and, like, what was the weapon? And they do this very hilarious. They're in a room by themselves and they're sort of pacing around the room and being like they were. They're talking directly to the killer.

[A]

I'm getting cringed out. It's awesome.

[B]

It's. Oh, it's cringe city. It's cringe city. And it's like, oh, yes, you thought you were clever, huh? But you didn't notice that I saw that there was an electrical mishap happening. And at 3:65pm 3:65? Yeah. 3:65pm you, Cheryl, killed him with a chainsaw. You know, so it's very silly.

[A]

Music's going crazy, I assume.

[B]

Oh, yes. But here's the wonderful thing about this show. The two or three people who do the worst are up for murder. And the one who does the worst gets murdered in the next episode. And the way in which they die is so fun. Like, you see them, like, drive a golf cart into a car, into a tree. But when it came out. Okay, here's the thing. When it came out, people thought that these people were actually me.

[A]

Okay, well, folks, I mean.

[B]

And so they had to do a segment after the credits where they interviewed the person who was eliminated. Being like, this is so fun. I'm having the best time.

[A]

Just, like, under duress, being held hostage. I'm good. I am not in trouble. Oscar, we need to host a new season of this. Let's get going.

[B]

I mean, I'm waiting, salivating for a new season of Whodunit. I love that show so much that my old roommate made a whodunit themed birthday party for me. Yeah. It continues to be my favorite birthday ever. It was so fun. I love that show. I love that show. No one else does.

[A]

This looks really good. I mean, it's Clue, it's murder mystery, it's dinner party. It's all these things that we like. Anyway, only one season. Wow.

[B]

Only one season. Only one season.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's so fun. I would love to do that. It really is. Like, it feels like an escape room before escape rooms were a thing at all. And it's just very fun.

[A]

I thought of one more that I saw too. Sometimes these shows kind of come in and out of Your life when you're like, you watch them in a fever dream, and you're like, was that even a real show? And so we were looking for something to watch Thanksgiving last year, and we found a show called for the love of DILFs.

[B]

Excuse me?

[A]

For the Love of DILFS is a gay men dating show hosted by Stormy Daniels.

[B]

Yeah, that sentence just took me out.

[A]

I know. It's three seasons, I think, and it's kind of current. Like, you're watching it and you're like, oh, this was a cute 2010 show. You're like, wait, this was two years ago. The production value is insane. Like, Truly, we were looking at it, and we were like, they rented an Airbnb. And they clearly, honestly, like, didn't even have the full Airbnb because there's shots where it's like, okay, this one will take place on the dock. And you're like, why are we over here? Like, they don't have use of the house today. And this is a group of daddies and a group of himbos date each other. And then the winner wins. Get this. The winning couple.

[B]

I'm obsessed.

[A]

You have to watch. The winning couple wins $10,000. Nothing at all. Not even enough to get home on a flight.

[B]

Barely.

[A]

Truly, like, you get a few, like a Chipotle catering, and you're done. It's an incredible show. You have to watch. And they're doing challenges and you're like, wait, for what? Because, like, the only way to get voted out is, like, if people don't think you have chemistry. So what is the challenge for it? Like, there's just bizarre, bizarre, bizarre choices.

[B]

That's so weird. Who. Who's. Who comes up with this stuff?

[A]

Like, who's like, I know.

[B]

It's so it. I can't believe it. Unreal.

[A]

I know. Yeah. For the Love of dils. And Stormy is, like, really one of the most insane hosts in the world. She's like, for many of it, I'm like, does she know the camera's on? Because she's just sitting with them, like, talking back to the camera, not asking questions, just chatting. I'm like, yes.

[B]

Oh, she's had no training before, I see.

[A]

Well, she's just, like, hanging out. She's excited to just, like, be in the group. Sure.

[B]

I'm happy for the screen time.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah. So I recommend for the Love of DILF and Incredible.

[B]

There's one more that I do want to talk about, please. And this one, it was at the time when. Do you remember that show on mtv? Where Paris Hilton was looking for a best friend.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But it was like that one shot of love with tila tequila in that sort of era. But this one is, like, right up my alley. It's just really bottom of the barrel reality television. And this one is in that family. However, the content is right up my alley.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And there was a show called the Search for the Next Elvira.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And it was a bunch of women who are sort of alt girls, very sort of like hot topic goth babes, you know, all competing to be, like, the host of, like, a public access television show.

[A]

I was gonna say a show that kind of no one's watched in 25 years. God bless. But the prize being, like, obscurity, so she could launch.

[B]

I don't remember who wins. I don't know what happened, but it's Elvira's hosting it, and she's just so charmed. Like, she's just so funny. She's such a star and so charming and so great. And these. A lot of these girls have never heard of Elvira before.

[A]

Wait, sorry. So this just was like, an alt girl casting call that they all said yes to. Oh, my God.

[B]

Because they're trying to find the next Elvira. And I guess to the producers, the new era of Elvira, it is like a, like a scene scene kid, sort of Good Charlotte fan

[A]

with, like, no background in anything, really.

[B]

No hosting skills, no nothing.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I would be remiss to not talk about scream queens.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

One of my favorite reality TV shows ever. This is in the, like, dearth of horrible VH1 reality television shows. I mean, horrible. And I say that affectionately. Like, Rock of Love, Flavor of Love, New York gets a job.

[A]

Oh, this is James Gunn. Was the judge.

[B]

Yes, James Gunn. Pre.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Pre anything.

[A]

Crazy success.

[B]

Yeah, literally pre anything. He was directing these girls in challenges. And so the concept was these girls are all trying to be the next Scream queen. And the prize is that you can be in the next Saw movie.

[A]

Wait, so did one. One girl was on it? She won it?

[B]

Yeah, it lasted two seasons or. Yeah, it lasted two seasons and they were both on it. One of the girls who won, who I love, the winner of the first season, she played a major role in two Saw movies, actually. And then the winner of the second season was just a cameo. Like, literally not even. Didn't even have a name. She just sort of died. Wow.

[A]

Tanedra Howard is the winner of season one. Oh, my God.

[B]

Yes. Yes, yes.

[A]

Okay. She played Simone in saw 6 and then saw 3D.

[B]

Wow. It's so great. They had, like, an acting coach who was like. I don't remember his name, but he was toxic as hell. You know, he was like, you gotta cry when you scream. You know, yelling at me and stuff like that. Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I love this.

[B]

It was very much that, but I loved that show. Scream Queen.

[A]

She's still acting. I'm seeing things pop up here.

[B]

Yes. There's one girl in the second season who is a huge star, actually. Her name is, like, Jess. Oh. She goes by Jaina Lee Ortiz.

[A]

Now she goes by Jenna Ortega. She was Cream queens.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

There she is. Goes by Jennifer Love Hewitt. Oh, my God. Okay, so,

[B]

yeah, she's done. She was in Station 19. She's in R.J. decker. She was on Grey's Anatomy. So, like, you know, there's some true talent that has come out of this really crunchy television show.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I want to ask one last question before we wind down.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

There's been a, like, multitude of reality television moments.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Kp, which stands out to you as the best reality television moment of all time.

[A]

Oh, my God. I feel like mine are gonna be so easy. But it is like, to me, you look like Luther Vandross is the best moment on television. You had to be there.

[B]

But even if you like Beyonce.

[A]

Beyonce. Beyonce. You know who you look like? Luther Vandross. This is on, by the way, Flavor of Love, which I think I've talked about maybe before on the show, I'm sure, to get the full context. Firstly, it's already a perfect line, but it is like everyone is laughing. All these girls have already fought with each other at this point. They all hate each other, but they all came together in that one moment to laugh their butts off at Honey thinking she looks like Beyonce.

[B]

I think her name was Hottie.

[A]

Wait, you're right. You're right, you're right, you're right. I was gonna say. Wait. No. Yeah, Hottie. They all are cracking up, rolling on the floor at the idea of that. And then New York comes in perfectly.

[B]

And I think in a weird way, because, yes, I do agree with you. That is one of the most iconic moments in reality television.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I think in a show designed to make these women fight each other, this was one of the rare moments where they all came together.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

To sort of make fun of.

[A]

Absolutely. But she. I mean, she took. Didn't faze her. That's the other thing is she goes. That's okay. In her mind, she goes, another day Where I look like Beyonce. She wakes. It meant nothing to her. So I go, it's fine. It's not even making fun. Because it didn't hurt her feelings.

[B]

It didn't affect her in any way at all. She had the nice little blinking sound effects that they loved putting on. She was famous for her blinks.

[A]

That is so good.

[B]

You know, I do that. It's part of my vernacular now. When someone talks to me and I don't know what they're saying, I just go, blink, blink, blink. And it's because of Hadi from Flavor of Flow.

[A]

Blink, blink. I want that edit so bad on a show. If I could get the blinking edit, just like a total space cadet. I love that there's obviously a million from Drag Race also that I think are really, really a thousand percent totally moved the needle on pop culture. But what is your answer?

[B]

I mean, not to bring up this show again. To me, one of the best moments ever is Susan's speech in Survivor. Sue. Is that her name? Sue?

[A]

Sue.

[B]

The rats and the snake monologue. It's just. I mean, perfect. You can't write this stuff chilling.

[A]

It's honestly chills like, it is. It's incredible. This is season two or one.

[B]

This is the very first season.

[A]

It is just this gorgeous speech where she's putting down Richard Hatch by saying, like, some people act like rats, some people act like snakes. It's screaming gold. It's incredible.

[B]

It really is. And to me, it breaks through a lot of the reality TV noise because it does sort of elevate the intention of reality television. These moments of, like, she conceptualized the whole premise of Survivor, the show, while also being petty as heck in that monologue, in that speech. And I think people have been striving to reach to that sue level of just nirvana.

[A]

It's natural.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And it just. It hasn't happened yet, I don't think. I mean, I haven't seen every season, but I don't think it's happened.

[A]

Spencer has a good one in Caguan. When you watch that, he has some really. He's kind of another natural at it. But a lot of people since then, I mean, there's been so many seasons that they try and put on this like they want their moment. And it is like, in the beginning ones, these just happened.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's gorgeous. Well, we've talked about truly icons and legends, and that's incredible from us because we are icons and legends.

[B]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[A]

Real recognized, real on this. So I'm gonna say goodnight to the Beautiful and wonderful. It's gonna have to be Hottie. I know it's maybe recency bias, but

[B]

it's like, you just took mine.

[A]

Well, she needs a double because she's just absolutely such a beautiful character on that show, and I mean that genuinely. I am not making fun of her. I think she is totally a beautiful archetype of reality tv, which is like, yeah, you should be delusional and you are fun to watch, and she's so herself.

[B]

Yes. I will also bid Hadi a good night in the sense that I need my reality television contestants to be delusional. It is why I inherently love drag queen so much. They have to live in their fantasy to sell their whole brand, and Hottie does that so effortlessly. She did a cooking show because do you remember when she, like, microwave that chicken?

[A]

She put it in the microwave for 20 minutes or something.

[B]

Yes. And, you know, you just have to respect someone like that. You just have to. And honestly, I wish I could take a little bit of Hadi's solution into my own life. And I hope you all do. I hope everyone takes a little bit of that delusion in their everyday lives.

[A]

Absolutely. May we all strive to be like Hottie and Oscar. Thank you so much for joining us. And folks, thanks. Have a lovely evening.

[B]

Have a good night.

[A]

Sam sa. Sam sa.

[B]

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