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Ana
Audio for sleep by hatch.
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Josh
Hello and good evening, I'm Josh and welcome to the Nightly from Hatch where your late night thoughts go to rest. I am doing great tonight. I am thinking about a friend who came to visit earlier and she brought her three year old daughter who I haven't seen since she was maybe one and very, very sweet, adorable kid. And they had an appointment in the neighborhood and so they came by just to pop over and say hello. They brought a little gift for our dog, a little housewarming for us. It was very, very generous and sweet and my wife Maris and I appreciate it so much. It was just so good to. But the very funny part is our
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Maris
home is not really equipped for prolonged
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Josh
visits with little kids. Fortunately, I had recently acquired a bunch of children's books for a writing project I'm working on. And so we had some. But one of them was a little too adult.
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Maris
Sounds wrong. It wasn't adult themes.
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Josh
It wasn't like War is hell kids. But it was, it was a book where it was very funny and playful, but a lot of the humor relied on knowing that the letter R was missing from a bunch of different words. And it's very charming and extremely well written but when you don't really know the Alphabet it is a little tougher
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Maris
to get on board with the whimsy. So it's just very funny.
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Josh
Trying to entertain a very small, very
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Maris
opinionated person, as many three year olds are with this book that was probably slightly above her reading and listening level.
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Josh
And I gave my friend, her mom
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Maris
a seltzer and her daughter grabbed it and just pounded the whole seltzer in a row.
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Josh
Which I was like, that is some fortitude for a little kid. I can't even take a whole seltzer like that straight to the dome. And then within probably
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Maris
10 minutes of their arriving and settling in on the
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Josh
couch and you know, giving the little plush toy to our dog.
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Maris
The little friend who you know I don't want to name was very sweet, was so such a charming, sweet kid. But she immediately started going,
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Josh
I would like to go to my house now, please.
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Maris
It's just like so funny and such a like polite, use your words way to do that. But such a thing that you kind of can't say as an adult. And I have no. My grown up friend was very apologetic. But I used to teach, maybe you don't know, I used to teach pre
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Josh
K. So three and a half to five.
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Maris
That was my job for a number of years and I really loved it. But I have A lot of patience, I think. More than the average person with no kids for that kind of thing. I don't take it personal, and I find it very adorable. So it was a really fun, really sweet visit, and it was so great to see my friend and so great to see how this little kiddo was growing up. And that's just like, that's been my day, and it was a real treat.
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Josh
Right now, I would like to introduce our listener caller, and I want to hear what is on their mind. And I'm so excited to talk to them and. And without further ado, I'd like to bring in Ana. Hi, Ana, thanks so much for calling into the nightly.
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Ana
Hi, how are you?
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Josh
I'm doing great, thanks. How are you?
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Ana
I'm doing good. Yeah. So I decided to call because I really want to talk about this recurring dream that I keep having. Maybe we can chat about it more today.
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Josh
Yeah, I would love to talk about your recurring dream. Can you set it up? Like, how often has this dream been recurring?
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Ana
So it's been happening, I want to say three times already, but it's the same type of, like, context. So I'll just, you know, start breaking it down. Yeah, launch into it, essentially, to give a little bit of context. I've never been to Europe, so I've never been to France, Spain, or any of those countries. But for some reason, I keep having this recurring dream where I get lost in Paris. I don't know why. I've never been to Paris, first of all, and then I don't know how, but my brain instantly knows that it's Paris. So essentially what happens is that I'm just, like, stranded in the middle of the city, and it's somehow always related to food as well. Always trying either to find a restaurant or, like, a coffee shop or something like that, but it always ends up getting lost, and I never fully reached my destination.
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Josh
And so you wake up and you're still lost.
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Ana
I. I don't know what it is, but essentially I always have a friend with me in the dream, but I somehow don't have. I know that there's a friend with me, but essentially my friend is in the dream. My friend is never able to fully figure it out where we are. So I kind of, like, always had to end up, like, taking the lead. But I've never been to Paris. I don't know what's happening, and I'm, like, completely lost, and, like, I just have no idea how. I also know that it's also Paris because, like I said before, I've never been to Paris. I've never been, like, to France or any of that. And the only reason why I know that it's in Paris is because it's, like, French people, like, all around, all the signs are in French. And then, I don't know, I feel like in the dream, I somehow always know that I'm in Paris. And it's super funny, too, because it's been happening three times already for the past month. So I don't know what my brain is trying to tell me. I don't know if it's, like, telling me to go to Paris or if I just do, like, take a trip to Paris, but I don't know.
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Josh
It's super interesting, and that's really interesting.
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Ana
Yeah. I don't know if anyone else has had, like, a recurring dream of a place they've never been to, but I don't know. I just thought it was interesting.
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Josh
That's so interesting when you say you see the signs in French and you see French people. Do you speak French?
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Ana
I don't speak French, but I'm trying to learn, so maybe.
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Josh
Okay. Oh, interesting. Got it. So are you doing, like, classes? Are you learning with an app or just reading? How are you doing that?
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Ana
Yeah, so I'm currently in college, so I'm doing a minor in French, so I.
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Maris
Got it.
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Josh
Got it.
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Ana
Okay. You know, every semester. Yeah. So maybe that's the connection I have to Paris. Maybe, like, being immersing in myself with, like, you know, all the literature, the, like, learning language. Maybe that's where my brain is making a connection. But I don't know. It's interesting because in the dream, I, like, walk around the streets of Paris, even though, like, I've never been, and it's.
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Josh
You're not seeing, like, the big landmarks. You're not like, there's the Eiffel Tower.
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Maris
There's the Louvre.
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Josh
You just kind of plunk down in the middle of a city, and you. You intuitively know, oh, I'm in Paris right now.
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Ana
Yeah. Isn't it so interesting? Like, in my dreams, I've never seen the Eiffel Tower. I've never seen the Louvre, anything like that. None of that. It's literally just in the middle of, like, a random neighborhood in Paris, and I'm like, how. Why do I always just end up here? Like, it's so interesting.
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Josh
Is it the same neighborhood every time?
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Maris
Do you recognize it from previous dreams even?
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Josh
You're like, oh, I've been to this dream neighborhood before. Or you just know that Wherever you are, that's Paris, no?
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Ana
That's so interesting. It's never the same place. It's always a new place. But my brain somehow knows that I'm in Paris. Like, I don't know why. I just, like, instantly deduct that I'm in Paris. Even though, like, every time it's a new place and it's nowhere near any of the, like, you know, famous places.
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Josh
And when you say that, you know that they're French people, do you hear them speaking French, or is it like, oh, these people are all wearing berets and carrying baguettes through town? That's how I know.
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Ana
Unfortunately, I do not see the baguettes all around, but I just hear kind of like a commotion that I know. It's like, in a language that's familiar to me. So I, like, in my brain, like, I instantly deducted as French. But I also, like, often see, like, a lot of people riding bikes or just walking around. So for me, like, you know, in the books that I read, you know, like, in school, like, I feel like my brain makes that connection, that it is France in a sense. But I think, like, it's interesting that it's always Paris. Like, my brain doesn't, like, go to any other. Not the south of France, nothing like that. It's always.
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Josh
You're not at the Cannes Film Festival. You're not on the beaches of Normandy.
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Ana
No. It's always a random neighborhood in Paris.
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Josh
And you're always lost.
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Ana
Yeah. That's so interesting. Yeah, it's always. And it's always a loss in the way, either to a restaurant or a cafe.
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Josh
Right, right, right, right, right.
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Ana
Always the end goal is, like, trying to get food.
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Josh
And when you're with a friend, is it the same friend every time or a different friend every time?
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Ana
It's a different friend every time. But they always are feeling more lost than me. So I always have to, like, end up kind of like, telling us where to go. But because I don't know where I'm going, I. Because of me, we get even more lost, if that makes sense.
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Maris
It does make a lot of sense that if you take the lead and you don't know where you're going, you get more lost. This for sure, all checks out.
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Ana
It's literally the blind leading the blind, for sure.
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Josh
A couple more questions about this particular dream. Does it make you want to visit Paris more?
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Ana
Oh, of course. It literally makes me want to book a trip and go to Paris and I find out for myself if these places that I'm dreaming are, like, actually real.
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Josh
Oh, that's so fascinating because you think you might, like, be piecing together some real information that's been in your brain and, like, kind of projecting a real place, even though you don't know what it's called or, like, how to get around.
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Ana
Right. That's so interesting. Yeah. Because I don't know. I feel like somehow my brain knows that it's real, therefore I'm, like, always, like. That's why I always know it's in Paris, but I don't know.
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Josh
Wow. Okay, this is really interesting. Now, throughout the course of your life, have you had recurring dreams before? Or is this kind of the first time that your dreams have gone straight to series and had, you know, kind
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Maris
of reruns and new iterations?
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Ana
Yeah, no, this is. This is the first time this has happened, which is like, I want to talk. You know, I wanted to talk about it because, yeah, I used to never have recurring dreams, especially within the same theme, if that makes sense. Yes, definitely. Yeah. I've never had a dream that is, like, the same plot line, but in, like, you know, in different instances, you know.
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Josh
Yeah. Dreams with sequels.
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Ana
Yeah, exactly.
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Josh
And so normally when you dream, do you. Do you remember your dreams a lot?
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Ana
Honestly, that's another really interesting thing as well, because sometimes I do remember, like, most of the time, I want to say I do remember my dreams, or, like, at least for the most part, what the dream was about. I, like, don't really remember, like, details a lot, but I can tell what the dream, you know, what happened in the dream. But with this dream, I remember exactly, like, what happened. It's kind of like as if I was there, but I wasn't nervous. It was a dream, you know, it feels very realistic.
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Josh
It's extra vivid even when you wake up.
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Ana
Yes, exactly. I can remember exactly, like, what the streets look like, what I was doing, where I was going. Isn't that insane?
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Josh
Yeah, that's really impressive. And so, like. And maybe you covered this already. I'm trying to remember. You said it's a different friend every time. But are these friends, like, real people, you know, from your actual life, or did you, like, dream up a friend?
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Ana
No, these are my real friends. So one of them. Yeah, One of them I go to college with, and then the other one have been from my hometown.
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Josh
Oh, excellent. Okay. And normally, like, this might be kind of a weird question, but when you dream, you said you remember kind of like the feeling of it or some, like, the tone and the setting more than the specifics does it feel similar to these dreams? Is it kind of like frustrating or stressful or normally are your dreams different in tone?
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Ana
No, that's. I also want to talk about that as well because I feel like in recent years my dreams have felt more vivid. As if like I'm in the dream, like I can tell that I'm dreaming and sometimes it's like the dream is a bit more uncomfortable. I can make myself like change the narrative of the dream.
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Josh
Wow.
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Ana
I don't know.
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Josh
And this has been, this happens more and more, like over time.
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Ana
Yeah. Did it happen before? It's like something that my brain like has developed like in recent years. Because I remember when I was younger I used to have, you know, like every kid has nightmares. So I used to have, you know, your no more nightmares. And I would like, you know, wake up feeling like super stressed out because like it was a nightmare and I like couldn't like wake up from it. But I think now whenever I have like a bad dream, whenever I have a dream that's a bit more not positive. Rainbows and sunshine always, my brain can always tell that it's a dream and it can kind of wake myself up from it. So it feels more vivid, if that makes sense.
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Josh
Yeah. And it sounds like, it feels like not only are you more clear eyed and present for what the dream is about, but you have a greater level of control. And those two things have happened both at once.
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Ana
Yes.
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Josh
Wow.
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Ana
In the sense of like sometimes I feel like the main character in the dream, but sometimes I feel like a third person viewing like that dream. If that makes sense.
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Josh
Whoa. Yeah. Okay. When you're a third person. Because like I feel like I'm usually the main character of my dreams and I often have dreams that I don't enjoy. Occasionally I'll have a nice one. But like I always feel like it's such a relief because I feel like I'm so in my body in a dream. And even when I know it's a dream, I'm like, what's happening here? I wish I had more control over this. When you're like a third person character or when you're observing yourself, what's going on there? Like, what are you seeing? What kinds of events are you being dropped into?
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Ana
It's really funny because the dream starts off by me being in third person. This is different from like the dream about Paris, just like in general and
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Josh
the dream about Paris, it's you, you're in your body, you know you're in Paris, you know who you Are.
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Ana
Yes, exactly.
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Josh
Got it.
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Ana
There's these other dreams where I start off, like, viewing the dream in third person, but that's. Then somehow I, like, switch to being the main character. But then again, sometimes it's me, but sometimes it's not me. Like, it's my brain, but it's not my body in the dream.
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Josh
But you're, like, playing a character, almost like your brain is in someone else's form. Whoa. I'm really interested. What kind of people. Is it always people? Are you sometimes like a horse or a dragon or a lamp?
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Ana
I wish. Imagine if I was a unicorn.
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Maris
That would be very fun.
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Ana
Yeah. No, it's always people. It's always a woman. It's like, I can't tell what it looked like, but I know I'm in the body of a woman, and I know that's not me.
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Josh
Interesting. How do you know it's not you?
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Ana
I don't know. I feel like that's the thing. Because in the dreams, I never look into the mirror. I never look, like, into a body of water. You get. I never look into a reflection, if that makes sense.
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Josh
Yes. Right. You know, you never see, and it's not. And I imagine also it's not people, like, calling you by a different name, right? They're not like, hello, Beth. Nice to see you today.
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Ana
No, no, they never, like. I've never hear, like, any other name, like, at all.
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Josh
But you just know you're not you.
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Ana
Yeah, exactly. I know that it's not me, and I know that I'm, like, I'm in someone else's body, but I know it's another woman. I know that it's not me. And I know that, like, essentially, like, I'm. That's not myself either. You know? I know that the body I'm in, it's not myself.
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Josh
Totally. Isn't that such an interesting thing, right? To have a dream and you go, something's not me about this. Something is off, and it's not good or bad. It's just different. And I can't even recognize what it is, but I just know it in the same way that you go, I know I'm not me. In the same way I know I am in Paris in other dreams. Like, there's no thing that necessarily tells me right away. It's just something that, like, you. You have enough feel to understand. It's like intuition.
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Ana
Yeah, exactly. No, it's exactly like that. It's like a kind of like a gut feeling, you know? But it's super interesting because I'M not awake. I'm not. Like, I can't say if I'm conscious or unconscious because I can tell I'm dreaming, you know?
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Josh
Right, right. And do you like that feeling? Like, do you enjoy the feeling of, like, exploring a new place or being in, like, a different person's body and life when you're asleep, or do you go, get me out of here? I'd rather be awake, honestly.
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Ana
It depends what's happening in the dream. Like, for example, if I'm like, lost in Paris, that's so fun. Like, I'm enjoying a lot. But if it's sometimes more towards, like, not as, you know, a good feeling dream, I'm like, I don't know, I feel glad that that's not myself, but at the same time, my brain is attached to that person. So I'm like, okay, like, how do I get out of here? Like, I'm not really enjoying this. Like, how do I go back to just having, like, a normal dream, you know? And I feel like now that I'm a little bit more aware that I'm dreaming, I don't know if I like it. I don't know that I'm enjoying it. Because, you know, a dream for me is kind of like, to escape reality. But then if I'm feeling too much in the dream, like, then I'm not really escaping reality because I'm still feeling it, you know? Like, the emotions are totally, like, recorded in my brain. So I wouldn't say it's like, yes and no.
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Josh
I always feel like. It's funny when. When I know I'm dreaming and I'm
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Maris
like, this is a dream.
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Josh
And I'm like, don't I get a break today?
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Maris
I'm supposed to be on break right now.
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Ana
No, exactly. It's like, I'm supposed to be dreaming. This is supposed to be, you know, fun, like, away from, like, my real emotions. But then why am I feeling real emotions in a dream?
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Josh
I love the. I think one of the most interesting things you've told me about this dream is that you. You like the feeling of being lost in Paris. You like, exploring and trying to find the place you're going and being there with your friend. Even though you never achieve your goal of, like, getting to the cafe and the restaurant.
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Ana
Yeah, right. Like, I. It's really fun because obviously, you know, I'm in Paris. Who doesn't want to be, like, in Paris, even if they're lost?
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Josh
Sure.
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Ana
So funny that I never reach my
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Josh
destination and it's still just like, hey, because does it feel like you're on like a vacation in your dream?
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Ana
Honestly, it's very interesting because I know I'm in Paris. I know I'm supposed to be doing something, but I can't tell if I'm just like, like it's never, it's like unknown if I'm just like vacationing there, if I'm just visiting, if I'm visiting a friend, if I'm like, you know, going to see something, it's unknown. I can never tell why I'm there. I just happen to like spawn there.
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Josh
And you're like, oh, it's so nice that I happen to be in Paris and I'm going to enjoy the time as best I can.
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Ana
Exactly.
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Josh
Anna, I love this. Thank you so much for sharing this. Before I let you go, I have one more question for you, if that's okay.
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Ana
Yes, of course.
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Josh
Do you have an all time favorite dream, like one that you really remember fondly?
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Ana
I think it's really interesting. I feel like every memorable dream that I have is always related to food. I don't know why. Maybe I'm like a big foodie and that's like, why. But I remember when I was younger I used to have this dream of going to like a Rainforest Cafe and then eating ramen at the Rainforest Cafe. But when I say Rainforest Cafe, I mean like I'm in the middle of a jungle and it's like a cafe and there's like a bunch of beautiful animals there. And I remember this happened when I was like 8. And I still remember it to this day. I remember that I went to this Rainforest Cafe and I had the best ramen I've ever had in my entire life. I didn't even know how to explain it, but it's just such like an outstanding, extraordinary feeling of like taking that first bite of that ramen that I just like remember it so vividly till this day.
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Maris
Anna, that's amazing that you've held onto it for all these years and then it's such a, like, positive experience and that it was a literal Rainforest Cafe. That's, this is all amazing to me.
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Ana
Yeah, it's so interesting too, because I've had so many dreams. I feel like almost every night I have a different dream, but for some reason that one specific one has just always stuck with me. Wow.
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Josh
Well, Anna, thank you so much for calling in with the story. I hope tonight if you dream of Paris, you make it to the cafe in your dreams. And I hope that you get a chance to travel to Paris in real life. It sounds like you really are fascinated and captivated by the French language and the city and the culture. So I hope you get that chance soon. And it was such a pleasure to speak with you tonight.
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Ana
Thank you so much. No, thank you so much for having me. I had so much fun sharing more about the crazy dreams that I have and hopefully in the future, maybe it's a sign having all these dreams about Paris. Maybe it's a sign that I will be visiting in the future.
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Josh
I hope so. Well, good night, Anna, and we'll talk to you soon, I hope. Have a great night. Sleep well.
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Ana
Thank you. Have a great night. Bye.
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Josh
Wow, that was really something. I am so fascinated by how vivid her dreams were, especially this recurring one about going to Paris. And I also thought it's really lovely that she was kind of probing for this meaning and, and it felt like kind of halfway through the conversation she was like, oh, I've been studying French. And maybe that's what has put that in my head when I go to sleep, which, like, I don't know, it's so nice. Sometimes it really feels like you need to talk to another person to like, hear yourself, you know, and really, like, reflect on your own life sometimes when you're telling it to someone else and kind of breaking out of the stories and patterns in your own head. And I was really glad that I could be there for this and hear what Ana had to say. I would like to say, before I say goodnight to you all, I would like to say goodnight to all of Anna's dream friends. I hope that they're sleeping well and I hope that maybe whatever they're dreaming of is something that is setting themselves on like a beautiful course forward in life. The same way Ana wants to visit Paris someday. And if you want to come on the show to talk about something that's on your mind, email us or send a voice memo to thenightlyach co. That's T h e n I g h T l yatch co or text us or leave a voicemail at our phone number. That's 904-nightly. Once again, that's 904-644-4859. We would love to hear from you. So good night to those dream friends, good night to real life friends, and good night to you,
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Ana
Sam.
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Josh
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