Josh Pitches A Picture Book

Summary

The Nightly – “Josh Pitches A Picture Book” (May 15, 2026)
Hosted by Wils Pelton (A) and Josh Gondelman (B)

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Episode Overview

In this warm and playful bedtime episode of The Nightly, hosts Wils Pelton and Josh Gondelman cozy up for a late-night chat about children’s picture books—old favorites, new recommendations, and Josh’s own journey toward writing one himself. Along the way, the pair reminisce about the stories that shaped them, riff on the quirks of kids’ literature, and meander into gentle jokes about adulthood, travel, and the joys of lakes vs. beaches. This episode glows with gentle humor, nostalgia, and encouragement—the perfect balm for restless minds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Children’s Books: Nostalgia and New Discoveries

[00:25–03:44]

• Josh shares his current project: Josh is considering writing a picture book and has been collecting recommendations with enthusiasm.

  “I've been working on this project… I'm slowly thinking about writing a, like, a kid's picture book.” —Josh, [00:25]

• Wils’s childhood favorites:
  Goodnight Moon (“huge in my household”), Rainbow Fish, and “the baby book.”
  Wils notes getting a new copy of Goodnight Moon from their dad recently.

• Notable recent children’s books mentioned:

  • Don't Eat Eustace – a comedic bear-fish story
  • Don't Trust Fish – highlighting suspicious aquatic characters
  • Rhyming Dust Bunnies – dust bunnies with a rhyming outsider
  • The Book That Almost Rhymed – interrupted rhyme schemes become sibling collaboration

    “And then you get to the end and you realize that she was actually setting up a different rhyme scheme because she wanted to be a part of his story. And then they go on adventures together.” —Josh, [03:22]

2. Why Josh is Writing a Children’s Book

[04:52–06:47]

• Josh’s inspiration: Prompted by encouragement from an editor who saw his standup and thought his comedic sensibility would fit the genre.

  “I recently talked to an editor… who was like, I think your sensibility would be very good for a children's book.” —Josh, [05:56]

• Project concept:

  • Kids experiencing a day when nothing rhymes—forcing them into strange synonyms, confusion, and humor.

    “It's about a day that doesn't rhyme. Like, the kids can't do anything that rhymes… So it's like kids that are kind of like, for whatever reason, these characters end up using synonyms that they might not even know instead of the easy one that rhymes.” —Josh, [04:58]

  • Wils dubs the concept “a thesaurus moment.”

3. The Joy and Value of Children’s Books

[07:21–08:02]

• Josh reflects on the creativity in books for kids:

  “There's so much creativity and, like, good entertainment and, like, interesting stuff when it's made for kids. It's such a joy. And kids deserve it, you know what I mean?” —Josh, [07:48]

• Wils notes the importance of keeping quality high as a defense against mindless mass media (“Cocomelon”):

  “It is, like, literally important because we need some defenses against Cocomelon, is what I'll say.” —Wils, [07:54]

• Funny anecdotes from Josh about buying picture books as an adult, and joking with staff that he’s “learning to read.”

4. Book Talk and Author Shoutouts

[06:57–07:21]

• Kate Micucci and Mo Willems collaboration:

  “Kate Micucci… just did a children’s book with Mo Willems, who's like… Children’s book legend.” —Josh, [06:57]

• Wils looks up “Don’t Let the Pigeon Drive the Bus!”—Mo Willems’ classic—recognizing the distinctive art style.

5. Travel, Nature, and Relaxation: Escaping the City

[09:08–13:07]

• The conversation shifts seamlessly to vacation styles—a classic late-night wander.
• Josh’s upcoming plans: Retiring to Chicago for a family party, then to Hudson Valley for restful reading, walks, and time with his wife and dog.
• Wils’s “call of nature”: Looking forward to upstate escapes and bottle-feeding lambs on a friend’s farm; both express a need for escaping urban hustle.

6. Lake vs. Beach: Growing Up with Water

[13:07–18:30]

• Playful debate: Is a day trip to the beach ever worth it, or is staying near water (lake or ocean) for a longer period the superior way?

  “I don't love a day trip to the beach, but I do like going on a vacation to where the beach is.” —Josh, [12:43]
  “I like, ultimately… when it's a body of water where there is a house nearby and I can kind of go in and out as I please.” —Wils, [12:51]

• Regional differences (Massachusetts saltwater vs. Oregon lakes) and fond memories of family trips, summer camps, and rituals associated with water.

• Notable quote:

  “I felt like when I moved to Boston… that I became much more familiar with beach culture than when I lived [in Oregon].” —Wils, [15:05]

7. Gentle Bedtime Farewells

[18:40–19:07]

• Inspired by Goodnight Moon, the hosts say “good night” to the moon, flight attendants, TSA, and essential travel workers.

  “Inspired by you, I'm going to say goodnight to the moon.” —Josh, [18:40]
  “I'm going to say good night to flight attendants everywhere and NTSA workers everywhere. And the people that are getting us to where we want and need to go.” —Wils, [18:55]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On giving voice to kid’s perspectives:
  “I think kids always find [rhyming wrong] so funny.” —Josh, [02:44]
• Sibling dynamics—on “The Book that Almost Rhymed”:
  “It's just so tender because you see how annoyed he is… and then, wait a minute, you're doing a thing too. This is so nice.” —Josh, [03:52]
• On performing for kids vs. adults:
  “I do do a lot of big. I do a lot of peekaboo on stage lately, of course.” —Josh, [06:17]
• The beach struggle:
  “You've been at the beach for a couple hours. You're getting ready to go home, and now you either have to, like, shower in a brick hut with a bunch of strangers, or just, like, go home wet, which I've always hated.” —Josh, [14:01] “Go home wet and sandy, which is one of the scariest things that you can do, by the way.” —Wils, [14:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:25–03:52: Favorite children’s books, new recommendations, why they stand out
• 04:52–05:47: Josh’s picture book concept and what interests him about writing for kids
• 06:12–06:47: How Josh was approached to write for children; comedic reflections
• 07:21–08:02: The value of creative, high-quality children’s media
• 09:08–10:36: Hosts’ upcoming travel plans and yearning for nature
• 13:07–16:35: Beach vs. lake debate, regional differences, travel styles
• 18:40–19:07: Bedtime “goodnight” ritual inspired by Goodnight Moon

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Tone & Style Remarks

• The hosts’ tone is warm, witty, and gently meandering, matching the show’s bedtime ethos.
• Banter flows naturally from picture books to philosophical observations about comfort, home, and nostalgia.
• There’s a charming self-awareness—jokes about buying children’s books solo, or “sound[ing] out” easy stories—softening the comedic edge for bedtime listening.

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Summary Conclusion

This episode offers a heartfelt and humorous journey through cherished childhood stories, creative ambitions, and the ways we seek comfort, both in books and in life. If you’re interested in children’s literature, creative brainstorming, or just the soothing sound of friends riffing on what they love, this night’s talk is a gentle invitation to rest.

Transcript

[A]

Audio for sleep by hatch. Hey there. I'm Wills.

[B]

And I'm Josh. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, where your late night thoughts go to rest. You know, I've been working on this project. I'm like slowly thinking about writing a, like a kid's picture book. And so I've been getting all these great recommendations for kids books and it's been like, really fun because I used to teach pre K a million years ago when I lived in Massachusetts. And I've been. I'm out of the loop on like what the good kids books are. So I've been getting all these great recommendations and it's been like, really fun. Do you. Did you have like favorite books from when you were a kid that you remember?

[A]

I had a couple I was just talking about. Well, my dad recently sent me one of my favorites. He sent me a new copy of it, which was Goodnight Moon.

[B]

Oh, a classic.

[A]

There was one, I think it. I think maybe it's just called the baby book. I forget that we were like reading with my baby cousin recently that we all really liked.

[B]

Oh, fun.

[A]

I loved like the rainbow fish one. Are you familiar with that? Yep, I really liked that. But Goodnight Moon was huge in my household. And the only news I know about recent children's books and their success is that I think BJ Novak wrote:1 that is that kids really like. Oh, yeah, what have you been recommended?

[B]

So I bought a couple that from my local bookstore. One was called I Saw Them. It didn't occur to me until I got them home that they were kind of like in conversation with one another. There was one called Don't Eat Eustace. And it was about, I think, a bear that caught a fish. And the fish was like, okay, don't eat me, man. This you don't want to do. This you don't want to go down, which I get. The other one was called Don't Trust Fish. And it's all about how fish are untrustworthy.

[A]

So those, those really are in conversation with one another because it's like, just eat the fish. You can't trust a word.

[B]

Yeah, you can't trust this. This fish is a weasel.

[A]

But I'm. I'm kind of on the side of the fish. Don't eat. Be kind.

[B]

I do eat fish, but I think of the fish, if there was a fish that was like, hey, bud, don't eat me, man. I'd be like, I respect your wishes.

[A]

I would say, fair enough. I would say, I get it.

[B]

Totally. But then the couple that were recommended to me recently that I just picked up, one is called Rhyming Dust Bunnies, which is very cute. Cause I'm kind of working with the idea of rhyming wrong, I think kids always find so funny.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And so this is one where there are four dust bunnies, and they're like Ted, Ned, Ed, and Steve. And the one that doesn't rhyme can't rhyme with the rest of them, which is very fun. And then the other one, which I thought was so cute, was called the Book that Almost Rhymed, the Book that Almost Rhymes. And it's about this little kid who wrote. He's like, I wrote a story. He's, like, talking to the reader. He's like, I wrote this story and I wanna tell it to you, but my sister keeps messing it up. And so he's, like, reciting his story. And then the little sister is, like, butting in with other suggestions. And it's very funny because, like, where it's supposed to rhyme, she says something else. And then you get to the end and you realize that she was actually setting up a different rhyme scheme because she wanted to be a part of his story. And then they go on adventures together. It's very, very cute.

[A]

That's very, very cute. That also seems like a good learning opportunity for little kids when they have a younger sibling who might be annoying them.

[B]

And it's just so tender because you see how annoyed he is with like, I just want to do my thing. Let me do. And I was like, wait a minute, you're doing a thing too. This is so nice.

[A]

Oh, my God. We can both do our things together.

[B]

Yeah. I really love that. Yeah. Very touching.

[A]

Did you have any that you loved growing up also? I'm curious.

[B]

Oh, yeah. In terms of picture books, the one that always jumps into my mind. Well, I love Dr. Seuss. Big Seuss head, of course. But then there is this book, Guys from Space. There's an author named Daniel Pinkwater, I believe was his name, who. He had a bunch of, like, longer chapter books for kids, but also did a bunch of picture books. And they were. They're really cool. Just, like, funny and weird.

[A]

Yeah. This looks awesome.

[B]

Yeah. Which I loved. I like, really think about it. I think I got it as, like, a gift from my uncle. He had, like, really funky taste and that kind of stuff. And so he always, like, gave good little weird gifts.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. And do you know or can you share what you. What you're ideating for your.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think So, I mean, like, I don't know what's going to happen if I do, but I'm like, work. The kind of starting point is that it's about a. A day that doesn't rhyme. Like, the kids can't do anything that rhymes. So they're like, it'll be like, I went to the living room and pet my cat. Then I went to the coat rack and put on my chapeau. And just. So it's just like all these. So it's like kids that are kind of like, for whatever reason, these characters end up using synonyms that they might not even know instead of the easy one that rhymes. And it's very confounding and confusing, which I think is a lot of fun.

[A]

They have a little bit of a. It's a bit of a thesaurus moment going on.

[B]

Yeah. Kind of a thesaurus moment. That's what I'm envisioning for sure.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

We'll see how it turns out.

[A]

I think that sounds amazing.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I'm curious, what drew you to the children's book space?

[B]

I got asked. I mean, people have asked me from time to time, but I recently talked to an editor who was like, oh, I think. Who had seen me do stand up and was like, I think your sensibility would be very good for a children's book. Which I don't know what that says about the entertainment I perform for grownups, but it was very nice.

[A]

I think babies would really like what you're doing. You're like, okay. Did you like what I'm doing?

[B]

Yeah, I do do a lot of big. I do a lot of peekaboo on

[A]

stage lately, of course. Well, and you do that thing where you go in the audience and you tickle everyone.

[B]

That's your. One at a time. There's an old. I think it's from his HBO special where Ray Romano is like, yeah, I've been spending a lot of time with my kids, so here's some of the material I've been working out. And he takes his keys out of his pocket and just jingles.

[A]

That's good. That's good. Okay. Okay. So you're like, you got. You got approached and you accepted the offer. But I also agree. I think that you would. I feel like you would do really well.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Making a, like, children's or, like, picture book. And that it would, like. It would make sense. Like, I'd be like, josh is like, a good. A good messenger.

[B]

I am Kate Micucci, who's, like, a very Funny comedian who is a very funny comedian. I said, like, she is. Just did a children's book with Mo Willems, who's, like, children. Children's book legend.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

He didn't. He's the. Don't let pigeon drive the bus.

[A]

I don't know this.

[B]

Oh, I bet you would know the visual style. They. His books look really distinctive, and they're really fun and good.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I am now looking at the encyclopedia where we, of course, have images of don't let the pigeon drive the bus. And I am familiar with the animation style. For sure. For sure.

[B]

Yeah. It's really fun. But that's. Yeah. So that's kind of what I've been up to. It's been, like, a really neat process because I like, you know, that's really fun. I like books for people my age, too. But it has been, like, a fun excuse to dip back into this. Cause there's so much creativity and, like, good entertainment and, like, interesting stuff when it's made for kids is, like, such a joy. And kids deserve it. You know what I mean?

[A]

They do. I mean, they really do. They really do. And it's like, it is, like, literally important because we need some defenses against Cocomelon, is what I'll say.

[B]

That's right. That's right. I agree. But I've been going to my. The same local bookstore, and I've been pre. Ordering them and going and picking them up. Like, I ordered three at once, but they came on three different days. So I'm, like, always going there and picking up children's books. And I never have a child with me, so I just look like the world's most devoted uncle.

[A]

You're like. You're like, well, I'm learning to read, and I'm gonna start here.

[B]

It's taken me a while, and I'm

[A]

starting at the beginning, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna be at Chapter Books soon. But right now, I'm. I'm here right now, and that's where we're living.

[B]

I'm sounding it out.

[A]

Yes. And it's important to do so. Okay. Well, that's amazing. I'm. I really look forward to seeing what you come up with and seeing how it evolves and. And of course, the final product.

[B]

I appreciate it. I traveled so much the first part of the year, and I'm home for, like, about a month, and I'm. And I'm excited to. It was so much work travel, and I'm excited to do a little recreational travel. Soon.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where are you looking to?

[B]

I'm going. My wife is coming with me for a retirement party in Chicago. We're going to a retirement party in Chicago and then we're gonna go a week or two later, we're going to go just like upstate, like Hudson Valley and get an Airbnb and just like sit around and read and take the dog for long walks and stuff.

[A]

God, it's gonna be really nice. I've. I have really been feeling the call of nature, so I get that. I was actually. Sometimes I go to Camp Singers, which is the house in up upstate.

[B]

Ish.

[A]

Not like that far. And I want to go soon as well, because they recently got. They have three donkeys. One of the many beautiful things they have up there. But they recently got little. I think they're lambs or I think it's lambs that are babies. And they have to be bottle fed for the next six weeks. So I'm trying to go go up there in the time while they're still being bottle fed, so I can do that. But I've been really feeling like I need to get out of the city and have a little bit of a reprieve.

[B]

When you leave town, are you like, a person who mostly is looking to like, adventure out into the wilderness?

[A]

For the most part, yes. Like, that's my natural inclination. I'm usually going, I mean, on some level because it's kind of like easier than like doing a big trip to another city or something like that.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I do feel like I really. I often feel like I need like a bit of a reprieve from the city. So usually I'm going like, Vermont.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Or yeah, a little bit upstate. I was interested this summer. I was like, I didn't. It has not come to fruition. I don't think it's gonna happen. But I was trying to get my friends to kind of rally around some type of like, more urban trip. I was like, we could go to Berlin or do something like that. I've never been.

[B]

Oh, that's fine.

[A]

But I don't think it's gonna happen this summer. But I really. I am usually like, I live in a city, so I. I do feel like what I need is time outside of a city, usually.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Yeah. What about you?

[B]

When I was a kid, my family would do, like, real doing stuff. Vacations.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it would be like, okay. And it was very. My parents did like a really mindful job of like, planning stuff. So even if it was like, okay, we're going up to New Hampshire for a couple nights. We'll do the glacial cave park one day, and then we'll walk to this waterfall the other day. Or it's like, okay, we're gonna go to Seattle, and we're going to go to this big sculpture garden one day, and then the next day we're gonna go and watch them throw the fish around Pike's Place market. And so they were very mindful of it. And, like, as an adult, I travel so much for work, and I do try to, like, when I have the time, do activities, go to a museum or, like, a nice nature walk. But when my wife and I go on a trip, it's, like, a lot of sitting still.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is nice. Yeah.

[A]

I like sitting still. I think I'm like, oh, I would like if I was more of the type of person who's like, let's go out and do something. But I do think that in my bones and in my soul, I am often, like, I just want to sit still in a beautiful place.

[B]

And I think, like, there are lots of different ways. Like, we've done some, like, oh, we'll book a cabin in the woods and have, like, a nice time there and just read and, you know, make dinner or venture into town for meals or whatever. We've done, like, beach a few times, which I like. I don't love. This is. This maybe makes me sound like a brat. I don't love a day trip to the beach, but I do like going to. On a vacation to where the beach is.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

I agree. I get. I don't. I don't love a day trip to the beach. I feel. I often feel stuck there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But I'm also more of, like, a lake person. I like. I ultimately, like when it's a body of water where there is a house nearby and I can kind of go in and out as I please.

[B]

I like that very much.

[A]

Yeah. With a. With a. With a beach trip, I do feel like sometimes I'm like, I feel a bit stuck here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I also. I feel like this is a divide of, like, what you grew up doing. Because I grew up going to, like, a lake. I. We didn't really go to the. We went. I mean, I grew up in Oregon, so there's. It's on the coast and there's a beach, but it's not the kind of beach that you go and hang out at and, like, swim in. It's like, very, very cold. And so I. I'm much More accustomed to, like, fresh bodies of water. Yeah. Which I also think is part of it. But I also think at the beach, at least, I think I just. For me to be comfortable, I need so many acc. Months, which is like, I get scared whenever I'm stuck in direct sunlight for too long, is how I feel.

[B]

Oh, yeah. You gotta have an umbrella chair.

[A]

Completely.

[B]

Whole setup. That's why I. I've never done, like. I don't think I've heard, like, an all inclusive resort, but I do. We have done, like, hotel where you walk out the door and there is beachfront. And then that way, like, if you're like, I'm hot, I'm sandy, you can, like, go immediately back and shower.

[A]

Yes. That is kind of my dream.

[B]

I My. The feeling that I don't like is, okay, you've been at the beach for a couple hours. You're getting ready to go home, and now you either have to, like, shower in a brick hut with a bunch of strangers or just, like, go home wet, which I've always hated to go

[A]

home wet and sandy, which is one of the scariest things that you can do, by the way.

[B]

Truly, I'm not brave enough.

[A]

Nor am I. Nor am I. Did you grow up? You said, like, you guys did lots of trips. Do you. I'm always interested. I'm like, did you grow up in terms of bodies of water in a beach moment or in, like, a fresh water type situation?

[B]

I think it was a combination because we would do beach trips, for sure. Because I grew up in Massachusetts, like, not near the beach, but. And also my grandparents lived by Revere beach, which is not like, an especially beautiful beach for, like, laying out or swimming in. So we, like, walked by the. You know, like, we walked along the beach a lot, which was like, that's nice, too. Just to, like, walk by the ocean. I'm into that.

[A]

Yeah. I felt like when I moved to Boston, I felt like I was randomly. Even though, like, I feel like you would assume it was the opposite, that I was. I became much more familiar with beach culture than when I lived.

[B]

No, I mean, because it is, like, you are just right on the coast. And there's, like, beaches in, like, South Boston even.

[A]

Yes. And I would have friends who were from, like, Duxbury or whatever, and they were so beach. Beach coated. And I was so not accustomed to swimming in, like, the saltwater. And then my friends who, like, grew up on the beach would be like, they. I remember someone literally said they were like, oh, I feel like it's like, Cleaner. They were like, I. I, like, can't be in a lake because it feels, like, dirty to me because it's not like, the salt water.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

It's so interesting.

[A]

Yeah, it's very interesting.

[B]

And it's. I think there's the difference of, like, the sand of a beach versus, like, the shores of a lake. That'll be, like, a little rockier, a little muddier.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. But I. I like. And I like a lake. And we had friends, family friends that lived on Cape Cod, so we would go down there, and sometimes we have cousins there. And that's very fun. Again, if I'm, like, right on the beach, whether it's lake or ocean. You okay?

[A]

Yes. My cat just fell off the table, but she's okay. She's just embarrassed.

[B]

That's right. No, if I'm staying close enough to the beach. As long as it's not, like, a car ride or a train ride. Because I have friends that are really mindful of. Oh, yeah. We get up during the summer in New York City, and we take the train out to the Rockaways, and we hang out at the beach all day.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

And it is just, like, not my style of recreation.

[A]

That is not part of my mission in life either, is taking the train to the beach. I just. I just won't do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm going to the Cape in July. Or. No, in June, which I'm excited for. I'm going to Orleans, which is, like, the. Kind of one of the furthest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Points on Cape Cod. Cape Cod is so beautiful. I'm very excited to go.

[B]

It's really lovely. We went for a family reunion a couple years ago, and my. My wife had never been. And we crossed the bridge onto, like, technically the Cape. And so we were just on the highway. And she's so funny because she is from New Jersey and is such a great lover of New Jersey. And we're driving down the highway on the Cape. Like, hadn't gotten off onto that. Like, the roads hadn't narrowed yet, so you don't see much nature. And she just goes. I mean, it's not the Jersey shore.

[A]

You're like, it's not.

[B]

It's correct. And I was like, it's not. We haven't, like, gotten to the good part yet. And then we got to the beach, and she was like, oh, this is nice. But she. It was so funny that she immediately just.

[A]

No, Jersey Shore.

[B]

Immediately went to, like. I mean, certainly. I mean, this isn't Ezra Park.

[A]

So, so funny. Yeah. I mean, Cape Cod is completely beautiful. I haven't spent. I haven't spent a ton of time there, but I've spent a little bit of time there. I used to. Growing up, we would always go to New Hampshire in the summers, and I still go there in the summers because my mom's family has houses on a lake. And that was our kind of like, east coast, like water or whatever.

[B]

I went to a summer camp that was a lake camp, so we had a lot of lake experience in that regard.

[A]

That's fun. Yeah, it's really fun. I'm going to Fire island for the first time, which I feel excited and scared about. In June, I'll be kicking off Pride Month with a week on Fire Island. And that rules. Yeah, it rules. That'll be beach time. So maybe I feel like I haven't done the thing that we're talking about, which maybe will. Will really endear me to the beach, which is like staying somewhere where the beach is nearby for an extended period of time. I think will be helpful to me.

[B]

I bet it will. You will come away going like, oh, this is the way I like to do it. Or I guess I don't like this still.

[A]

Totally. We'll see.

[B]

It'll be educational. I think before we finish for the night, I'm gonna throw it back. Inspired by you. I'm gonna say goodnight to the moon.

[A]

Oh, my God, that's so wise.

[B]

Thank you. Good night, moon.

[A]

I'm gonna say good night to flight attendants everywhere and NTSA workers everywhere. And the people that are are getting us to where we want and need to go.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

Those are who I'm saying good night to.

[B]

Good night,

[A]

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[B]

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