Kim Kardashian, Lily Allen & the Library

Summary

The Nightly – Kim Kardashian, Lily Allen & the Library

Podcast: The Nightly (Hatch Podcasts)
Airdate: December 5, 2025
Hosts: Josh & kp

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Episode Overview

On this cozy late-night episode, Josh and kp unwind in the Hatch Pillow Fort for their signature blend of friendly banter and soothing pop culture chat. Tonight, they tackle the internet chatter around Ryan Murphy’s new show All’s Fair—with Kim Kardashian as the lead—and reflect on Lily Allen’s surprise new album, West End Girl. In between, they share personal stories, debate the value of camp versus boredom in TV, and drop cozy recommendations for winding down (hello, libraries and Wingstop).

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Catch-Up: Jolliness, Libraries, and Board Games

• [00:41–04:44] Hosts Check In
  • kp is feeling “jolly” after socializing and a marathon board game night, interrupted by surprise dog kisses during the mystery phase.
  • Josh recounts a drawn-out car trip turned podcast marathon, and recounts a night out seeing comedian Natalie Palamides perform a two-character, one-woman show.
• [04:01–04:44] Library as a Community Oasis
  • kp describes the newfound joy in visiting a local library, mostly to steal some peaceful time (and use the printer):
    • “I’m kind of just...I’m printerless at the moment...it was just an errand. And then now I’m like, well, I’m having fun just sitting with my computer...” [04:30]

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2. The Nightly Pop Culture Update

All’s Fair Review: Kim Kardashian, Camp, and Catastrophe

• [05:15–15:13] Deep Dive into Ryan Murphy’s Latest
  • kp and friends watched three episodes of All’s Fair (Rotten Tomatoes Score: 5% at time of recording).
  • Main takeaways:
    • Despite expectations, Kim Kardashian isn’t the worst actor in the show; Naomi Watts gives a surprisingly wooden performance, while Glenn Close and Sarah Paulson seem underused.
    • The show’s main failure? Mistaking “camp” (over-the-top, fun, subversive) for simply being outlandish—without actually being interesting.
    • Visuals and costumes (“power suit with a window cutout showing her thong”) are wild, but the plot never delivers energy or intrigue.
    • There’s an over-reliance on music video sequences and big-hit soundtracks, echoing kp’s complaint about other recent shows (“Summer I Turned Pretty”).
    • Jessica Simpson guest stars as a rock star’s wife in a full facial prosthetic for a subplot about bad plastic surgery.
  • Memorable Quotes:
    • “I think it’s getting every percent it deserves.” – kp on the 5% Rotten Tomatoes score [05:44]
    • “She’s saying the words in a way that a human would say them.” – kp on Kim Kardashian’s acting [07:49]
    • “The whole thing reads sort of like a car commercial where you’re like, okay, you’ve shown me some images...you’ve spoken into a microphone...and then Sarah Paulson is in it.” – kp [14:07]
    • “Anything preposterous can be camp if it’s exciting. This one, unfortunately...it’s boring.” – kp [13:38]
    • “She’s gotta go. She’s gotta quit midseason, ruin the contract, because she’s just too good for this show. I go, don’t put her on here. I feel bad for her.” – kp on Sarah Paulson [14:20]
  • Consensus: The show is little more than fun with friends: “It really benefited by watching with pals...We had Wingstop delivered. So I have no complaints about the whole evening.” – kp [14:58–15:09]

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Lily Allen’s Return: West End Girl

• [15:13–19:51] Musical Reflection
  • Josh introduces Lily Allen’s new album, West End Girl, her first in seven years. The album is a (fictionalized) telling of her divorce from actor David Harbour, chronicling a relationship unraveling amid jealousy and open-marriage rule-breaking.
  • Key insights:
    • Both love that the album is a true “narrative arc” (kp: “I like that it tells a story.” [16:28])
    • Josh’s favorite tracks are “less narrative”—impressionistic songs like “Sleepwalking.”
    • Both note that Lily Allen has retained her signature sound, which feels true to her earlier career.
    • Comparing Allen’s comeback favorably to other pop stars’ career shifts (e.g., Katy Perry, Taylor Swift), they value the sense of authenticity and artistic intent behind the album.
    • The rarity and creative power of artists returning after years away is celebrated.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “I used to listen to her in high school...What I was struck with listening to this was she still sounds like—this is so clearly her sound still.” – kp [17:26]
    • “It’s cool to see that a creative career doesn’t just have to be up and up and up and up or it’s over. It can be...ebbs and flows and have this big kind of creative breakthrough years and years into her career.” – Josh [18:14]
    • “She’s not like the most reliable narrator in some of these songs, which...is also cool.” – kp [19:14]
    • kp plans to do a proper listen on her next “16 mile” LA drive.

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Notable Moments & Quotes with Timestamps

• [05:15] kp: “This new Ryan Murphy show, All’s Fair, has a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes. …It has bumped up to a 5%.”
• [07:08] kp: “So the majority of the acting prowess is falling on [Kim Kardashian].”
• [09:24] kp (on Kim’s lawyer costume): “She turns around, there’s a window cutout showing her thong. …Never seen something like that in my entire life.”
• [13:38] kp: “It is preposterous. But it’s also…the cardinal sin is…it’s boring, which is very un–Ryan Murphy.”
• [16:28] kp: “I like that it tells a story. I think albums telling a story is so…there’s something very satisfying about it.”
• [18:14] Josh: “It’s cool to see that a creative career doesn’t just have to be up and up and up and up or it’s over…It can be, like, ebbs and flows and have this big kind of creative breakthrough years and years into your career.”

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• [00:41] Cozy banter and personal updates
• [04:56] What’s new in pop culture? (pivot to TV discussion)
• [05:15–15:13] Deep dive: All’s Fair review and “nightgeist” chat
• [15:13–19:51] Lily Allen’s West End Girl album reaction
• [19:51–20:23] Wind-down and bedtime transition

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains the podcast’s comforting, witty, and slightly irreverent late-night tone. Both hosts are warm, conversational, and quick with gentle sarcasm and pop culture asides. The whole effect is designed to make you feel like you’re in a low-key living room hang—with plenty of gentle laughs and zero edge.

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Summary

In this episode, Josh and kp offer an honest (and hilarious) review of All’s Fair, highlighting its wild aesthetic and lackluster script. The “so bad it’s almost good” vibe sparked a fun group watch but left the hosts hoping for more from Ryan Murphy’s usual flair. The conversation shifts to Lily Allen’s new album—an impressive, narrative-driven comeback—reminding listeners that creative careers can flourish in unexpected ways. All interspersed with cozy personal stories, library recommendations, and the comforting rhythms of pop culture bedtime talk.

Perfect for:
Anyone wanting the inside scoop on buzzy new shows and albums, served with warmth, wit, and a dose of late-night relaxation.

Transcript

[A]

Hello. You're about to drift into an episode of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience, visit Hatch Co. Enjoy.

[B]

Hey everyone. So nice to be here with you. I'm Josh.

[A]

And I'm kp. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, a slumber party for pop culture lovers.

[B]

Kp, it's so nice to see you here in the pillow fort tonight. How have you been?

[A]

I have been jolly.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

I know that really just is such a shocking thing, but it's just exactly how I'm feeling. Jolly.

[B]

I'm blown away. I've never heard someone self describe as jolly outside of potentially Santa Claus. Yeah.

[A]

And I don't even know that he self does it. It's just everyone else. No, I'm quite jolly. I've been really socializing my little tuckus off. But it's been good. I did have a. What is a 16 mile trip. Took me two full hours yesterday.

[B]

Wow. In a car.

[A]

In a car.

[B]

Oof. That's too long for that trip.

[A]

So I got a lot of good podcasts in, but it's. That's beautiful. Traffic in this beautiful city I live in, that's tough.

[B]

And it didn't de jollify you?

[A]

No, honestly. I mean, sometimes it is nice to just have time where you can't be doing anything else except listening and sitting.

[B]

I completely agree. I feel like especially when there's nothing that I'm like clamoring to get done, I don't mind a little few minutes delay here and there.

[A]

Yeah. It's simply just fine. How have you been?

[B]

I've been pretty well, thank you. My wife was away on a little work trip and she got delayed by a whole day coming home, so that wasn't ideal. But then she came back and that's so nice. And we went to see a really great show last night.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Which is really fun. We saw. We're. We r. Oh.

[A]

The beautiful Natalie Palominas, who I love.

[B]

Yeah. Whose work has been kind of a blind spot for me. And everyone like raved about the show and she's just like unbelievable, this performance.

[A]

And she's so nice. Yeah. I like her a lot for listeners.

[B]

Just a little bit of color. She plays.

Both halves of a couple and she kind of. It's like this incredible virtuoso performance where she's doing two different voices and has all her outfits. Like all the wardrobe for the show is split down the middle of her like a hemisphere. And so she's dressed Half as this guy Mark, and half is a woman named Christina. And she kind of turns in profile to the audience and plays both parts. And it's so funny and gross and weird and great.

[A]

Yeah. If you can't make it out to New York. She did have a Netflix one woman show called Nate.

[B]

I haven't seen Nate yet. I'm like, really excited to watch it.

[A]

Yeah, it's very. I mean, she's a total powerhouse. Very fun.

[B]

And kp, what has been keeping you so jolly? Like, what's been buoying your spirits lately?

[A]

Well, last night I was able to play a board game that I really enjoy with some friends. It was all very lovely. And the game requires you at points to bow your head and close your eyes. Like, there's like kind of a mystery part of this game. And every time I would bow my head and close my eyes, the dog lands a big lick on my face.

[B]

Oh, that's really cute. That's so precious.

[A]

It was shocking every time. But he's real sweet and I like getting a little game in. Just chatting.

[B]

That's really fun.

[A]

That was a real jolly maker.

I've been hitting the library a little more in my new neighborhood, which just creates a beautiful, calming community. Chill jolliness.

[B]

I love that. Do you read at the library? Do you work? Do you write at the library? Or is it just like a soothing place to look for new books?

[A]

So as of now, I've just gone to work a little bit, but mostly use their printer. I'm kind of just. I'm printerless at the moment and I'm having to print some shipping labels for things. So it was just an errand. And then now I'm like, well, I'm having fun just sitting with my computer doing a little bit of work. I don't do it. I don't stay for the whole day, but an hour.

[B]

That's really nice.

[A]

Somewhere different. That's not too bad.

[B]

Excellent.

Well, kp, tonight I would like to check in on the night. Guys, we've checked in in our personal lives and we're thriving. We're making it happen. But, like, in the broader cultural sphere, what has caught your eye lately? What have you been really interested in?

[A]

I have been interested in the fact that this new Ryan Murphy show, All's Fair, has a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

[B]

Incredible.

[A]

And I just checked right before recording and it has bumped up to a 5%.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so I was so curious about this that I did have some gal pals over and we watched three episodes.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

So I needed to do some on the ground reporting for this episode here.

[B]

How was it?

[A]

I think it's getting every percent it deserves.

[B]

Okay, Okay. I hear what you're saying. I'm picking up what you're putting down, you know?

[A]

And, Ryan, if you're listening, I'm a supporter of you. I love Glee. I think Glee is one of the most fun shows to have been created. Scream Queens had some really great stuff going on. American Horror Story. I mean, these are shows that just have such a cool pov. And I think a lot of the POV that he's quite good at is camp, which is a very hard thing to do. So I want to give him full credit for knowing what is camp. And his costuming is incredible. Like, he just works with really cool people to create a world and a vision. And then sometimes.

Perhaps the idea is not one that lends itself to camp that much. Perhaps the idea is a bit boring.

And then if you're trying to camp up something boring, it just doesn't work, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know the premise of the show?

[B]

Is it three women who have a law firm? Something like that.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So our lead is Kimothy Kardashian.

[B]

Oh. She's like, top of the call sheet.

[A]

The lead. Yes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So the majority of the acting prowess is falling on her.

[B]

That's tough. Cause she's up against. I mean, not as a competition, but she is in scenes with some real powerhouses.

[A]

And I think Niecy Nash is an incredible scene partner. I think Naomi Watts is proficient in other things.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

I find that Kim is a bit stiff, but honestly, what I'll say is she's not as bad as I thought she was going to be. Like, I've seen some videos making fun of her acting, and so I thought it was going to be really bad. I turned it on and I go, you know, she's. She's selling the words. Can you tell this is a person acting? Absolutely.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But she's saying the words in a way that a human would say them.

[B]

I've seen worse performances than that, certainly.

[A]

I agree. So the issue is, like, it's simply just not an interesting show. And so you're camping up something that's just not interesting. Like Glee. That's a great idea. A high school acapella group or whatever. Glee Club. That's a fun environment. We haven't seen Law Firm. We've seen this show a dozen times.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

So then you just have sort of Kim walking around, and I'd say 80% of the show is a music video. There's just no dialogue at all, which I'm finding nowadays. Like Summer I Turned Pretty, I would say is a lot of music video also interesting where there's just like a lot of. Just top hits with walking.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I remember kind of catching bits and pieces of that show. And they really did it up with like the major pop songs. Right. Like, they weren't trying to dig up deep cuts for that show.

[A]

No, they're not doing royalty free anything. No, no. They're royalty full. And so is this show. And the costumes are incredible. What I'll say is, what is incredible about All's Fair is the outfits that they're choosing to wear is. Kim has a full like power suit, you know, tight fitting blazer with a tight pencil skirt. It's a perfectly nice, cool looking lawyer's outfit. She turns around, there's a window cutout showing her thong. So it's a pencil stick.

[B]

I've seen just stills of that and it is like a. Still astonishing. I've never even heard of this garment before. Like, I don't know what you would call it.

[A]

It's so cool. It's incredible to me. I go, that is worth. That was worth watching the episodes that we watched for because. Yeah. Never seen something like that in my entire life. Yeah, I could see that catching on. I hope not. My lawyer. I'd prefer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Other people in my life that aren't representing me in court someday are wearing that.

[B]

Someone else's lawyer. That's fin.

[A]

Someone else's lawyer should wear that. Not mine. Yeah, those are my major takeaways. Is like the script, would I call it good? No, in fact, I'd call it bad.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The acting, would I call it good? No. In fact, I'd call it bad. I just think Naomi Watts is almost. Listen, I can feel the tomatoes coming through the screens right now.

[B]

Well, fortunately, there's only 5% of them. So.

[A]

Yes, I find Naomi Watts to be quite bad. I think she's almost more wooden than Kim in this.

[B]

What about Glenn Close? Right, Glenn Close, also in this show.

[A]

I think she's doing well. I think that it is just. And maybe I should blame the script because these are really good actors. I know that in my heart, but I just. I don't find her to be compelling. I think she's very boring in this too. I don't find her compelling. And I think they're trying their hardest to make something happen with this. And it's a lawyer show. It's episode three. Now. I have not seen them enter a courtroom once. So far, they have settled all three episodes.

[B]

Huh. That's interesting, because it feels like a Ryan Murphy courtroom show or, like, not legal. Drama should be fun. Right? Like, we are big, good fight fans in this apartment, and that was a really fun legal show. And then my wife was all in on Dr. Odyssey, the recent Ryan Murphy show where Joshua Jackson played the doctor on a cruise ship.

[A]

And I see.

[B]

Yes, it was extremely campy and very fun. And so I could see those two worlds colliding. Well. And it's kind of a bummer that it didn't come together that way.

[A]

Yeah. This one feels like it was just Kim was owed a favor, and so she wanted to remind people she's a.

[B]

Lawyer, but she's not. Right. I saw that she had failed the bar exam, and I was really rooting for her to. To pass it, but it seems like she's not a lawyer yet.

[A]

No, But I did hear. Not to, you know, take one side or the other, but I hear the bar is quite hard. You. Most people have to take it three times, I hear.

[B]

I didn't know that in California.

[A]

Well, just kind of in general, like.

[B]

It'S different state to state, right?

[A]

Yeah. In general, it's very hard. Like, my friend was like, oh, yeah, my mom's a lawyer, and she had to take the bar four times before she passed. Like, it's just kind of. It's. No, it's very rare to get it on your first time. You really do usually have to take it a few times.

[B]

I hope she sticks with it then.

[A]

Absolutely. This is, I think, doing a lot. She has settled all of her cases, so that bodes well for her if, in real life, she can pull off the same.

[B]

Mm. Well, good for her.

[A]

They also have an episode where Jessica Simpson is the defendant or the, you know, person as.

[B]

As herself.

[A]

Not really. She plays, like, a rock star's wife. Mm. And they have her in a full face prosthetic.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, so it's sort of forehead to chin prosthetic because her character got botched plastic surgery.

[B]

Oh, okay. Weird.

[A]

Yeah. They made her look, like, you know, just a bit puffy. Puffier than usual. But you can kind of see the seams around her eyes. Like, it, like. Is like the prosthetics quite interesting to me. But I will say I thought she was really good as an actor in that one episode.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I thought she did great.

[B]

This show just sounds so preposterous to me.

[A]

It is preposterous. But it's also. I mean, I think it creates the cardinal sin, which is like anything preposterous can be camp if it's exciting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This one, unfortunately, the cardinal sin is.

[B]

It'S boring, which is like very un. Ryan Murphy. Right. Like, all the stuff he does, it's like, so over the top that at the very least, there's like something to that attracts your eye to it. But it sounds like this one is just kind of flat.

[A]

The whole thing reads sort of like a car commercial where you're like, okay, you've shown me some images. Yeah, you've spoken into a microphone. I see those things happening. And then Sarah Paulson is in it.

[B]

Oh, I forgot about that. What a cast.

[A]

She's gotta leave. She's gotta go.

[B]

She's gotta go.

[A]

She's gotta quit mid season, ruin the contract, because she's just too good for this show. I go, don't put her on here. I feel bad for her.

[B]

She's done a lot of Ryan Murphy projects, right.

[A]

I know she's kind of his darling. So I go, I get it. I get why you want to stick with your guy, but this one is just making you look not good.

[B]

Are you going to watch more than the three episodes you've seen so far?

[A]

Respectfully, I will not. But I think I will see the clips as they come across my desk. If I have another girls night, I'll pick up. But I think it was really benefited by watching with Pals.

[B]

Oh, that's so fun. When something is, like, not great, but you can make a night out of it anyway.

[A]

Yes, we had Wingstop delivered.

[B]

Great.

[A]

So I have no complaints about the whole evening.

[B]

Tremendous.

[A]

Josh, what have you been thinking of Nightgeistily, though, First of all, thank you for asking.

[B]

Yes, I've really been fascinated by.

[A]

The.

[B]

Pop star, I guess, musician, singer, songwriter Lily Allen's new album called West End Girl. If people don't know, it's her first album in many years, I think seven years maybe. And it is a fictionalized version of her own recent, potentially ongoing divorce from the actor David Harbour. And the narrative arc is about a woman who, the character performer of these songs is cast in a play and her husband doesn't take it well. He's very petty about her artistic accomplishment and career accomplishment. And then it is unspooled that they've been in an open relationship at his insistence, and he is breaking the open relationship rules. And so the songs are about that kind of dissolving relationship.

[A]

I only have listened to half the album at this point, I think. And I like that it tells a story. I think albums telling a story is. So there's something very satisfying about it. What are your overall thoughts?

[B]

So I like the songs that feel a little less narrative. Those are my favorite individual songs. I don't disagree with like the intrigue and the craft of like, oh, we go from beginning to end as we listen to this. But I do like sleepwalking feels to me a little bit more self contained, which I enjoy. And it's a little like blurrier. It's more impressionistic and less explicitly narrative.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

So that's kind of my take on it. But it's so interesting that it kind of came out of nowhere. Like, I had no anticipation for this album and it just hit really hard.

[A]

I used to listen to her in high school. I mean, and what I was struck with listening to this was she still sounds like. This is so clearly her sound still. So I thought that was really cool because I think, you know, you listen to some like, I don't know, Katy Perry stuff now and it just doesn't sound like her old stuff, which is fine. Everyone goes through eras.

[B]

I mean, speaking of eras, I think there's been a lot of dissatisfaction with the recent direction with Taylor Swift. Even from some big fans, certainly.

[A]

So it is so cool for Lily Allen to have come back and been like, this is still who I am as an artist. The sound is still. It's just up leveled. I'm like, oh, it's meeting a modern day, like what we're interested in. But it still sounds so much like her. So I thought that was very cool. As someone that used to listen, I'm.

[B]

Always really impressed by like an artist who has not quite been in the spotlight for a while, whether by choice or by circumstance. And then like reemerging with kind of a big work that is electrifying to people and that people find really like engaging out of the blue. I think that's like really exciting. And it's cool to see that a creative career doesn't just have to be like up and up and up and up or it's over. It can be like, come in ebbs and flows and have this big kind of creative breakthrough years and years into our career.

[A]

I honestly think that's a great point because I think so many artists are expected to churn an album out every single year and it behooves them to do so, of course, because that's money and touring. And I think it is cool to see someone that is like, I made this album because I needed to tell this story as opposed to I made this album because I wanted to the check.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I thought it was cool. I mean, I think she's definitely showing some interesting spirals in her songs, which I think is also cool. Like, she's not like the most reliable narrator in some of these songs, which I think is like, hopefully people see the nuance on some of that.

But I thought, yeah, I mean, there's some bops. I'm excited to, like, dig in. I haven't. I've only seen it. I need to, like, take a long drive and just put it on.

[B]

Perhaps you'll have another 16 miles to travel and you'll have two hours.

[A]

Yeah, LA is always good for that. Make sure I never, never avoid a full album.

[B]

Well, this is such a good talk. I'm like, very delighted to have heard your take on All's Fair. And I'm glad that you listened to West End Girl 2 so we could chat about it. But I am really fading fast, so I think I'm gonna drift off to sleep.

[A]

Yep, I've got my pajamas on with the cutout in the butt.

The new skims pajamas with your car jamas. My car jamas. And that means it is time for me to go to bed. I'll talk to you next time. Good night, Josh.

[B]

Good night, KP.

[A]

Sam.

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[B]

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