La La Land (Josh's Version)

Summary

The Nightly – “La La Land (Josh’s Version)”
Hatch Podcasts | March 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this cozy and humorous installment of The Nightly, hosts Josh and Kristen settle into the “Hatch Pillow Fort” to reminisce about pop culture, unwind from the day, and dig into the film La La Land—mostly from memory. The conversation blends affectionate critique, laughter, and relatable tangents about Oscars snafus, movie reputations, and figure skating fantasy soundtracks, all tailored for listeners looking to wind down.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Olympics Afterglow and Meme-y Figure Skating Soundtracks

• Hosts’ Mood: Both remain enamored with recent Olympic moments (00:55–02:13)
  • Josh rewatched Alysa Liu’s gold medal routine several times.
  • Kristen jokes about her own skating ability:

    "Obviously I can’t even skate backwards without looking behind me." — Kristen [01:35]

• Music Meme Inspiration:
  • Josh shares his music critic friend’s viral list of “dream skating tracks” (02:08).
  • Kristen’s choice: “Xanadu” by Olivia Newton-John—a roller-disco crossover (02:35).
  • Josh’s pick: “Thunder Road” or another Springsteen number for dramatic flair (03:16).
  • Kristen, referencing The Nightly’s bedtime theme, jokes about Metallica’s “Enter Sandman” (04:05).

Pop Culture Memory Game: "Do You Remember?"

• Setup: Josh attempts to recall the plot of La La Land while Kristen assists, corrects, or invents details (05:56–06:29).
• Approach:

  “If you haven’t seen this movie, tell me what you think should be happening at a given moment.” — Josh [06:17]

• La La Land Overview (“Josh’s Version”):
  • Opening: Starts with an iconic freeway dance sequence (10:14–10:37).

    “When I saw that, I was like, I am gonna love this movie… What a great opening sequence.” — Josh [10:37]

  • Main Characters: Emma Stone’s aspiring actress and Ryan Gosling’s jazz-obsessed Seb/ Sebastian (11:06–12:01).
• Insider PR Story: Josh recounts receiving a Seb’s Jazz Bar wooden stool during the film’s promotion—heavy, perplexing, and memorable (12:38–13:31):

  “He’s like, I don’t know what this is. I don’t like how they gave it to me… like he received the clue to solve a crime.” — Josh [13:31]

Oscars, Reputation, and How Movies Are Remembered

• Best Picture Snafu:
  • Both remember La La Land’s infamous Oscar mis-announcement (07:33).
  • Kristen and Josh agree that some movies and cities are burdened by reputation, noting how this skews enjoyment (08:10–09:20).

    “I think there are movies that we would remember much more fondly if they were less critically acclaimed.” — Josh [07:38] “That applies to a lot of things, including the city of Paris. If people didn’t hold it in such high regard, Paris would be so much better.” — Kristen [08:10]

  • They comment on how Oscar buzz and prestige shape our feelings about films and directors like Damien Chazelle and Emerald Fennell.

La La Land Plot: Remembrance and (Light) Roast

• Romantic Musical Beats:
  • Pool party meet-cute, chemistry, plenty of walking and dancing in LA (14:01–14:13).
  • Emma Stone’s character: aspiring actress, yellow dress, Hollywood magic.
  • Ryan Gosling’s Seb: tortured jazz purist (15:00–15:24).

    “He’s not in jazz music for the money…he’s in it for the art. And his friend John Legend…is like a big pop musician…” — Josh [14:28]

  • Both agree Seb’s jazz “holier-than-thou” attitude comes off as insufferable, though it’s uncertain if that’s intentional (15:10–15:33).

    “Ryan Gosling, you are so hot, but if I have to listen to you talk about jazz anymore, I’m out of here.” — Kristen [15:24]

• Songs & Musical Style:
  • They lament the film’s “slow” numbers and wish for “three or four more big songs” (16:12–16:15).
  • “City of Stars” gets special mention as a repetitive earworm, especially if played by persistent neighbors (16:18–16:50).

    “[That song] always sounds like you are just learning it, which is extremely frustrating to hear through a ceiling.” — Josh [16:31]

Ending and Emotional Resonance

• Bittersweet Conclusion:
  • They remember Emma Stone’s character achieves stardom while Seb realizes his dream of owning a jazz club, but they’re no longer together—offering a touch of reality rare in Hollywood romances (18:56–20:23).
  • Discussion of other “bittersweet” films like Umbrellas of Cherbourg (19:36–20:05).

    “So everybody got what they wanted, but nobody’s happy.” — Kristen [19:19] “I love the kind of movie where the end of a romantic relationship is shown as something that you can still look back on with distance and be like, hey, we really had some good times and maybe we’re better off…” — Josh [20:34]

  • They praise showing relationship endings as nuanced and “not a tragedy” (20:05–20:23).

Attachments & What Makes a Movie Rewatchable

• Laundry Movies vs. Hyper-focus Movies:
  • “Some movies are folding the laundry movies and some movies are, I am hyper focused on this and I’m gonna rewatch it 75 times afterward.” — Kristen [22:59]
  • Both find La La Land “dragged a little,” but appreciate its feel and ending.

Tangents & Cultural Ephemera

• Memorable PR Swag:
  • They share stories of fun and strange promotional gifts received from film PR campaigns (13:07–13:16).
• Other Musicals:
  • Favorably mention Sing Street and Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping as musicals released the same year as La La Land (17:43–18:43).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Seb’s Jazz Snobbery:

  “Maybe he is supposed to be insufferable.” — Josh [17:31]
  “Come on, your job is to play stuff that people want to hear. That’s your job. Play stuff people want to hear.” — Kristen [17:33]

• On Cultural Reputations:

  “If people didn’t hold [Paris] in such high regard, Paris would be so much better.” — Kristen [08:10]

• Meta-Oscar Commentary:

  “I think there are movies we would remember much more fondly if they were less critically acclaimed.” — Josh [07:38]

• Sleepy Sendoff:

  “Well, I feel now that this is off my chest, I feel just light and relaxed and ready to drift off to sleep.” — Josh [23:22]
  “As do I. I’m gonna enter Sandman right now.” — Kristen [23:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:04 — Reflecting on favorite Olympics moments
• 02:08 — Meme figure-skating song choices
• 05:56 — Pop culture memory game (“Do You Remember?”)
• 10:14 — Remembering La La Land’s opening scene
• 12:38 — Josh’s bizarre Seb’s Jazz Bar promotional stool story
• 15:00 — Riffing on Seb’s devotion to jazz—and its insufferability
• 16:12 — Wishing for more and faster songs in La La Land
• 18:56 — Summing up the film’s bittersweet ending
• 19:36 — Discussion of bittersweet endings in film
• 21:16 — Comparing other musicals from the same year
• 22:48 — Listener invitation to correct or “yell” about misremembered movie details

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Overall Tone & Listener Takeaway

Lighthearted, meandering, and a little bit sleepy—The Nightly’s “La La Land (Josh’s Version)” is the audio equivalent of a friendly, late-night chat about movies with a trusted pal. Kristen and Josh warmly invite listeners into their laughter, occasional cultural snark, and shared nostalgia, making even their “misremembered” movie summaries thoroughly enjoyable for pop culture dreamers and bedtime listeners alike.

Transcript

[A]

Hello. You're about to drift into an episode of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience, visit Hatch Co. Enjoy. Hello and good evening, everyone. Hi, everyone. I'm Josh.

[B]

And I'm Kristen.

[A]

Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, a slumber party for pop culture lovers. Hi, Kristen.

[B]

Josh. It's so good to see you this evening. It's so good to see you.

[A]

I feel like it's been forever.

[B]

It has been. And what's funny is we both live in Brooklyn, but we don't see each other face to face very often.

[A]

So this is very nice.

[B]

Yeah. Always a joy to see you.

[A]

Nice to see you in 3D as well. How have you been? What's new?

[B]

Oh, I am still in the afterglow of the Olympics. I mean, I know it's been a while since the Olympics happened. I'm just. I've been feeling that afterglow. How about you?

[A]

I also am. I've been, like, really revisiting some great Olympics moments in my mind, and I rewatched the Elisa Liu free skate gold medal performance to MacArthur park several times. So good, so good.

[B]

So good. She just makes it look like it's so easy.

[A]

It really does. And I think that measure of joy she takes. Cause it's not just that it's easy for her. Right. It's like she worked so hard that she can make it look effortless, which is so impressive to me.

[B]

Yeah. For me, when I watch her, I'm like, this is for her. The way she does it. I almost feel like, oh, anybody could do this. Even though obviously I can't even skate backwards without looking behind me. Yeah.

[A]

And I also feel like when Amber Glenn, when she hit the double luts instead of the triple luts, and they're like, well, it's over for her. I was like, guys, if you hadn't said anything, I wouldn't have noticed.

[B]

Yeah. Still so impressive.

[A]

She's so impressive. And they're like, the worst day of her life. And I was like, I don't know. There's still a lot of Lutzes.

[B]

Yeah. And the worst day of her life would be my superhero moment, where I'd be like, everybody look at me.

[A]

For sure. One thing that came out of the Olympics is after it ended, my friend Grace Robin Somervell, who's a music critic, made a list of all the songs that she would want to perform to as a figure skater. People got really into it in kind of a meme. Y Fashion. And it was so funny to see her list and then to see what other people are like, well, this would be mine. Do you have. Does that trigger anything in you right away?

[B]

Yes, immediately. I think Olivia Newton John. Xanadu.

[A]

Oh, that's a good.

[B]

I would need to skate to that because the movie is all roller skating all the time. So it just seems like an obvious, like. Yeah. Take it from the rink to the rink. Do that.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Put on some leg warmers, feather some hair, put on a headband.

[A]

That's so smart.

[B]

And then just, you know, go nuts and do whatever a Xanadu skater would do. So I would love that.

[A]

That sounds. That's so perfect. That is such, like, a classic skating song. And I think you would. The kind of like. Right. Land to ice adaptation. Juice out of that. People get really excited about it and it just, like, lends itself to that so naturally. That's such a great idea.

[B]

What about you?

[A]

Mine, I think I like sometimes when someone does one that's like, slightly off kilter, not in an ironic way, but in just like. Bet you didn't think this would be for skating. And I think I would want to do, like. And maybe this has been done in the past, like something like Thunder Road, like a Born to Run era Springsteen song. Cause I feel like you get that kind of gentle, graceful start, and then you really ramp up into spinning and jumping and all that.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And there's clearly a Motorcycle Jack involved.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. I think that's a cool outfit, too. It's very funny when someone has a cool figure skating outfit. Yeah. Cause you're like, this is like a sweet. It's very athletic and very powerful, but it's not, like, badass necessarily. So I like that dichotomy as well.

[B]

Oh, I love that. That's such a great idea. You're making me think another really great song to skate to. And it might be because we're a bedtime podcast, but I'm thinking Enter Sandman by Metallica.

[A]

That's a fun one, too.

[B]

Yeah. Cause that also ramps up.

[A]

Yep. For sure. I feel like when someone takes the figure skating and the ice dancing or whatever outside the realm of kind of like a classical ballad or dance song, there's, like, a little extra fun. Especially the other programs have felt a little more traditional. Yeah. Nancy Kerrigan, the Olympic medalist, was from my hometown.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah. So that was huge for us. Not a big town. And so we were very excited for her. And then she hosted Saturday Night Live afterwards. And there was a sketch where she and Chris Farley were a pairs skating team. And my family to this day will always quote a lot. I think it was David Spade. They're skating to Kenny G, and he goes, kenny G. A bold choice. And I think about it, like, every time I see figure skating, anytime someone chooses music in any context, I go, I think to myself, a bold choice. And it's from this SNL sketch from, like, 33 years ago. It's so funny to me.

[B]

I'm gonna have to check that out.

[A]

It's like, it's not the greatest sketch, but that is a perf. Well, speaking of remembering things from the past, I would love to play a round of do youo Remember this evening.

[B]

I would love to play do you remember?

[A]

Thank you so much for coming along with me. So how this works for listeners is I am going to try to remember the plot of a movie that I have not seen in quite some time. And Kristen, if you can help me, that's incredible. And if you can't help me, maybe you will hear the plot of the movie. Wrong.

[B]

Okay, so quick question. If I haven't seen the movie, can I just make up stuff?

[A]

Sure. Oh, I want you. Here's what I will ask of you. I would like you, if you haven't seen this movie, tell me what you think should be happening at a given moment.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So the movie. I just feel like this movie occupies such a specific place in culture, and I'm excited to remember it for what it is as much as I can, rather than kind of the hype and then crash around it. And that movie that we'll be remembering tonight is Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone starring vehicle La La Land.

[B]

Ah, yes, yes.

[A]

Have you seen it?

[B]

I saw it, but I'm gonna be honest with you. I think it was one of those movies I watched at home while also on my phone.

[A]

Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. A perfect movie for me.

[B]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, everybody who made that movie.

[A]

Damien Chazelle. We apologize. Emma Stone, Ryan Gosling, John Legend.

[B]

Yeah, I forgot John Legend was in it.

[A]

I know. I did, too, until I was, like, trying to ramp up my memory for this. So if the. I think the most. Unfortunately, the most memorable part of La La Land was when Warren Beatty accidentally announced it as Best Picture at the Oscars.

[B]

When it was really moonlight.

[A]

When it was really Moonlight. Yeah, Moonlight. Tremendous movie.

[B]

So good.

[A]

So good. And a justified Best Picture when La La Land. Okay, this is maybe a hot take by me. I think there are movies that we would remember much more fondly in if they were less critically acclaimed. And I think La La Land is one of them. And I think there are directors whose movies are considered in Oscar contention just because of who's making them and who's in them. And if we took that pressure off things, I think we would enjoy them a little more.

[B]

I agree with that. I think that applies to a lot of things, including the city of Paris. If people didn't hold it in such high regard, Paris would be so much better. Yeah.

[A]

And I don't mean to, like, get too deep into, like, overrated, underrated discourse, because it's not about over or under. It's just like, the weight of prestige and the weight of, like. With Paris, it's like reputation. Yeah. I think just let it be a city. Yeah. Yes. Let it be a city. I feel that way. Like, there's so much. Whenever Emerald Fennell directs a movie, it gets, like, so much argument around it, which I enjoy. Like a good, frothy cultural criticism cycle. But there. Every time she puts out a movie there who. It's like, every. Every opinion is present. It's like, this movie is important and it's groundbreaking. This is the worst movie I've ever seen. And, like, I don't know. So I had fun or, like, didn't do much for me. And, like, I know that is just, like, the spectrum of possible opinions. But I do think it is interesting to, like, decouple because her. I think it was her debut. Promising young woman was, like, so nominated and so such celebrated. Yeah.

[B]

An award.

[A]

Celebrated movie. I feel like that put her on the track of, like, that's how we have to. About her movies. Between that and Saltburn and now Wuthering Heights. David O. Russell is the same. Oh, yes. Where it's like, some of his movies are fun in a way that is like. I don't know why that was nominated for eight Oscars, but I enjoyed myself anyway. La La Land, to me, is dead center in this. And this is coming off of Whiplash. Right. It's like coming. It's the director, which is a movie

[B]

I love, by the way. Whiplash. Fantastic. Yes.

[A]

And, like, incredible performances. Like, really gripping and visceral and takes something that maybe you didn't think about too heavily, you know, drum instruction, percussion instruction, and makes it really intense. And this kind of does the opposite. Right. La La Land. Okay, so we open on this. I remember very well. There's traffic in Los Angeles.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Big musical number. People dancing on cars.

[B]

Yes. And when that happens, like on the freeway.

[A]

On the freeway.

[B]

We're not talking a little side road. This is not a neighborhood story.

[A]

Okay, so this is. This is. This is popping for you.

[B]

Yes, I remember this. And it's just saying, we're in Los Angeles. There's traffic. You are sitting on an eight lane highway and you're just sitting there or are you dancing there?

[A]

Yes, yes. And when I saw that, I was like, I am gonna love this movie. I was, like, fully invested. I was like, what a great opening sequence. This is so much fun. I don't remember anything about the song, but I thought it was so beautifully staged and really enjoyed it. So we're in Los Angeles.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We meet at, I think, a very beautiful party, presumably by a pool. We meet Emma Stone, who's an aspiring actress. Emma Stone is a successful actress. She was at this point, she's doing really great. But her character, who I will call Emma Stone, is an aspiring actress. And she, I think, at a party, meets Ryan Gosling, whose character name I do remember because his name is Seb. Who?

[B]

Seb.

[A]

Seb, short for Sebastian. And I remember this extremely vividly because this is so weird. And I've never gotten any kind of closure on this when, like, during the awards promo cycle and press cycle for La La Land. I was writing for John Oliver's show last week, tonight, and one of the writers that I worked with received a big, heavy box sent to, I think, his office. And he opened it, opened the box, and there was a wooden stool, like a full on heavy wooden stool. And it said it had a little plaque. You would have the seat number at a theater. And it said Seb's Jazz Bar. And they sent it to him, I guess, as promo for the movie. And he doesn't know why he didn't have an especially robust social media presence. He wasn't vocally a fan of the movie, but he. In the end of the movie, not to jump too far forward, but we'll come back, Ryan Gosling opens up a jazz bar called Sebs. And so this is like, presumably paraphernalia from the jazz club that does not exist.

[B]

That is bananas that the PR machine sent out. Furniture.

[A]

Furniture, I swear. And it's like so heavy. It must have cost, like hundreds of dollars to ship, never mind to manufacture.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I've been sent things like magnets, for sure.

[A]

T shirts I got. When the most recent season of Hacks premiered. They sent a espresso martini kit and a hat and a script. I Think a fake script from the late night show that Deborah Vance hosted.

[B]

Yeah, I got a bunch of googly eyes when everything everywhere all at once came out.

[A]

Cool. Yeah. I think we got the big hot dog fingers at Jesus and Merrow somehow.

[B]

Oh, that's fun.

[A]

Yeah, that was really fun. But a full wood, a wooden stool. It probably weighed, like, you know, 15, 20 pounds.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And it came in, like a big box. Like a hip, high thigh, maybe thigh high box.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

And he also, the writer that received it is, like, not a whimsical person. So he's just kind of like, I don't know what this is. I don't like how they gave it to me. He's, like, very perplexed and flustered, like he received the clue to solve a crime. And he's like, I don't have time for this. Okay, so his name is Sebastian. At a party, Hollywood party. They connect. I think he walks her to her car. I don't know. There's chemistry. They fall in love again. I'm speeding through this. Cause I do not remember.

[B]

Are they dancing at this point? And is she wearing the yellow dress?

[A]

She is wearing the yellow dress.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's in all the posters.

[A]

Yeah, this is that. Which I think happens pretty early, right? And they're, like, walking in, like, the Hollywood Hills, let's say.

[B]

And there's, like, the Hollywood sign.

[A]

It's very like, anything can happen. So they come together, they fall in love, but then their path sort of diverge. Ryan Gosling, Seb, he's not in jazz music for the money. He's not one of those guys who cashes in on the jazz craze. He's in it for the art. And his friend John Legend, whose name I could not pull from my mind with a gun to my head and a knife to my throat. But he's like a big pop musician, and he's like, yeah, man, I'm doing it. I'm like, living the dream. And Sebastian, you know, I don't think he's not cruel to his friend who's very successful, but he's kind of jealous, but also is like, that's not my dream. My dream. That's jazz, baby.

[B]

Yeah. Am I wrong in thinking that also, he's kind of insufferably condescending about his jazz being a higher calling? Or is that my own stereotype in my head as that kind of person?

[A]

I don't know that it's supposed to come off as insufferable. So Much as, like, difficult because of the principle, but it certainly, I think, plays as insufferable as. Well, I'm with you in that interpretation, but I don't know if we're supposed to be like, this guy.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like, Ryan Gosling, you are so hot. But if I have to listen to you talk about jazz anymore, I'm out of here. And maybe Emma Stone feels the same way.

[A]

I know. And it also, it is like a very funny, bizarre choice in the film to be like this blonde white guy. He's the only one who knows what jazz music is. It is just such like, a funny thing to invent, you know what I mean? To frame it exactly that way. Emma Stone, however, her career, it's creeping up. She does a one woman show. It's pretty good. She has a song where she. It's like an audition, but the audition is the song. There's not enough songs in this movie. That was my big takeaway. I could have done with three or four more big songs.

[B]

I just remember the songs being too slow.

[A]

Very slow.

[B]

And I'm like, come on, pick up the pace here, folks. Pick up the pace.

[A]

I think the one City of Stars won the Oscar for best original song, which inspired, I think, my upstairs neighbor to play it on the piano exclusively almost for three years.

[B]

I'm so sorry that you also have an upstairs neighbor with a piano.

[A]

Yeah, I do too. Not anymore. They moved out. City of Stars was in heavy rotation on that guy's piano. And because of how the song starts, because she's kind of tentative. When you start playing that song, it always sounds like you are just learning it, which is extremely frustrating to hear through a ceiling.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Not that they were doing anything wrong. It just was not an ideal living situation.

[B]

Yes,

[A]

she gets very successful. She's crushing it. She's in movies, like, real life. Emma Stone, she's just making it. She's living the dream that was promised in the opening dance sequence. Meanwhile, Ryan Gosling, he's jazzing in obscurity. He was like, playing, right? He was like a player. I remember. Okay, I forgot this. He plays at a bar. He was like their house piano player. And he kept playing jazz. And they would get mad at him that he couldn't play jazz music. They were like, play standards. And he was like, no way, man. I'm going off the map, baby.

[B]

Insufferable. Like I said, you're right. Insufferable.

[A]

Maybe he is supposed to be insufferable.

[B]

Like Come on. Your job is to play stuff that people want to hear. That's your job. Play stuff people want to hear.

[A]

You can play.

[B]

Nobody wants to hear your improvisational three notes mixed together with.

[A]

Play free jazz on your own time, Brian Gosling. And so can my neighbor. There's city stars, then there's the auditioning one. So I only really remember the three songs, which I also. In the year this movie came out, which I think was 2016, 2015, mid 2000, teens, people talked about how hard it is to make a musical. But there were two other musicals that came out that year that I really loved, which Sing Street. Ah, Sing street, which was so sweet and fun about the kids in high school that formed a band. And then pop star Never Stop, Never Stopping, the Lonely island movie where Andy Samberg played a pop star named Connor. For real. Who goes solo and breaks up his band, the Style Boys. And both of those are also musicals. And this is not, again, not La La Land hate podcast. But I will say, I bet I would like it more rewatching it a decade later and just being like, oh, this is a fun thing to have on while I fold laundry

[B]

or scroll your phone like I was.

[A]

Or scroll your phone. So in the end, she's very famous. They break up.

[B]

Yes, I remember. They break up. And I also remember then is she on a date with somebody and goes to see him at his jazz club?

[A]

I think that's right. That I think is the very end is like, she's a famous. She married with a kid. Like, it kind of jumps forward, and she goes to the jazz club, and he's happy kind of with his own, you know, a room of one's own for jazz.

[B]

So everybody got what they wanted, but nobody's happy. Is kind of the mood that the movie ends with.

[A]

I thought it was a little bit bittersweet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I do like that as the tone, like, the takeaway tone of a movie.

[B]

Oh, I like that too. I don't know if you ever saw the Umbrellas of Shoburg. No. Oh, my God.

[A]

Is it a bittersweet.

[B]

This is a bittersweet movie from the 1960s where two young people fall desperately in love. One of them's Catherine Deneuve. And it's beautiful, vibrant movie. All of the, like, Easter egg colors, dancing, singing. And then in the end, she marries a suitable boy and he goes in a different direction. And not a lot of movies end that way, even though most relationships end that way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Like before this taping you and I were talking about. Yeah. Sometimes relationships end, and that's just life. It's okay.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

It doesn't have to be the end. There's still adventure and life and love after that. It doesn't have to be the end of life. Oftentimes it's the beginning of life after a relationship ends. So it doesn't have to be a tragedy. But, yeah, not a lot of movies show that. And La La Land does show that, which I appreciate.

[A]

I like that. I thought it was a very tender ending where, like. And there I'm trying to think of more. I think it's a little fraught now, but I think Annie hall doesn't end with them together.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's like, I. I love the kind of a movie where the end of a romantic relationship is shown as something that you can still look back on with distance and be like, hey, we really had some good times and maybe we're better off. And even though things were good, not everything good lasts forever. Even cold November rain. I made that up just now.

[B]

Well, my remembrance of La La Land pretty much matches everything you said. Only I like your version of the movie better than the one I watched, because the one I watched, I think Drag.

[A]

I will say it dragged a little bit.

[B]

It should have been a half hour shorter, at least. Maybe an hour shorter. And the song should have been snappier. And I agree with you, there should have been more songs.

[A]

I also. I will say we watched his follow up to La La Land. I believe it was his next movie. Demi Chisel's next movie, Babylon, which is wild and it's, like, so long and so full of just, like, weird stuff that happens and, like, homages to classic Hollywood. And that one, I would say it, like, flopped really hard. I think the fact that it was not a beloved commercial success at the time makes it kind of more fun to watch because you're like, oh, this was weird. And more interesting than its reputation.

[B]

Okay. I might need to give that one another chance because my first attempt at it, I think I made it, like, 20 minutes in.

[A]

Yeah, well, the first part of it is just that big party, right? Yeah.

[B]

And it goes on and on and on. That party is, like.

[A]

It's so long. There are sequences that, like, go on. But I felt like Margot Robbie's performance, especially when she is, like, on camera in the movie, that's really intense and cool.

[B]

Yeah, well, she's a fantastic actor. Maybe I'll watch that instead of rewatching La La Land.

[A]

I would recommend it, certainly, but I think we remembered La La Land pretty thoroughly if we didn't. You're always welcome to email us and tell us what we misremembered at the nightlyach co. We always want to hear from you listeners and you can yell at us or you could say, that's what I. We're also happy for you to be on the same page as us. I just know sometimes people are more motivated to email when they're mad.

[B]

Yeah. And also let us know if you think it's the best movie ever made because we're just two people.

[A]

We're just two people.

[B]

We're just two people.

[A]

I don't think we were haters about it. I think we were pretty circumspect. Yes.

[B]

And you know, every movie has its own personality. Some movies are folding the laundry movies and some movies are. I am hyper focused on this and I'm gonna rewatch it 75 times afterward for sure. So, you know, all movies have a different place in our hearts. But I really liked your remembrance of it. Again, I liked it even better than the movie. So thank you so much, Josh.

[A]

Well, I feel now that this is off my chest, I feel just light and relaxed and ready to drift off to sleep.

[B]

As do I. I'm gonna enter Sandman right now.

[A]

Exit light. Enter night. Good night, Kristen.

[B]

Take my hand. We're off to Never Never.

[A]

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