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Hello. You're about to drift into an episode
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of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience. Visit Hatch Co.
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Enjoy. Good evening, everyone. And I'm here. And I'm kp.
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Hi, everyone. I'm Kristen. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch a slumber party for pop culture lovers and slumber party friends. We have such a treat for y' all tonight because we are joined by a very special guest, the very hilarious, the very wonderful Francesca Ramsey. Oh my gosh, Francesca, we are so excited to have you here in the pillow fort with us tonight.
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Oh, thank you so much for having me.
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Oh my gosh. Well, before we get into tonight's festivities, because we do have some slumber party games we're gonna play later. Can you just tell us about what your typical bedtime routine is?
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Ooh, I'm trying to be better about like really decompressing. I'm one of those unfortunate workaholics. The joys of being self employed. So I'm trying to be better about turn off before bed. I've gotten really into like drinking a CBD tea before bed and I don't even remember who introduced me to them, but they're really calming. And so I try to drink it maybe like 30 or 40 minutes before bed because then it like really starts to hit around 40ish minutes. So that's been part of my routine. I'm trying to be better about like a full two minute toothbrush.
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Yeah. It's longer than you think, isn't it?
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So long.
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Two minutes is not. They're not. I, I figured I was always doing two minutes and then I started doing two minutes and I'm like, wow, it's long.
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I have a toothbrush that like buzzes after 30 seconds. So you like do each quadrant. And I didn't know that's why it was buzzing. And then my dentist was like, yeah, girl, it's not buzzing for fun.
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I think I may have been gifted that same toothbrush this Christmas because the every time it buzzes I'm like, hold on, why is it still moving? Shouldn't it just be turning off now?
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It's supposed to do 30, 30 on, on each side and then you move up to the top and then it turns off. But yes, it is. It is a long. It's wild how two minutes when you have to brush your teeth is long. But two minutes when like, I don't know, you want something else, anything else, it feels like really short.
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So, okay, so you wind down with a little cbd, a little decompressing. This is nice. I'm also bad at decompress. I like, will go straight from like high stress work mode or like game mode or phone mode and then be like, why can't I fall asleep instantly?
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Yeah.
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But lately I hate to say what's been working for me. Folding clothes.
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Really?
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Because I kind of like folding clothes and I leave it to the end of the day. And now that's been kind of nice. I almost might have accidentally hacked myself into some decompression.
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So you don't just buy more clothes when they're dirty.
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Would that the budget allow. I would love to be living in that bracket where I can just sort of replace them. Disposable clothes would be perfect for me.
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And question. When you're folding your clothes, are you listening to your hat or listening to a story or something? Or are you just looking at your clothes?
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I like a podcast plus chore combo. Those work well together.
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Oh, I love that you have found a way to be productive, to unwind, but not productive in a way that is like, okay, now I'm putting the agenda together for my meeting tomorrow with so and so. No, I think instead it's like I'm folding socks. I'm folding a shirt.
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Yes. That's what I got. Well, this is lovely. Let's go recompress with some games and having fun. Let's get into the fun side of life. We have a little game night tonight. We're gonna play some good old fashioned Kiss Marry. Ready? Francesca, are you ready? Kristen?
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I am so ready. Yes.
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Okay, this is, as you said, the joys of being self employed. We have some Kiss Marry Kill Corporate Speak edition. So this is some classic things that you might hear. Kiss, Mary Kill. Let's circle back, let's put a pin in it and let's take this offline.
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Let's circle back. I'm gonna say kiss because I definitely say that one a lot.
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Mm.
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Put a pin in it. Kiss and marry. I mean, so is my understanding that like kiss is more of like a fling situation and marry is somebody I'm committing to.
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I think. So in this context, we're not sort of kissing the phrase. Yeah, I think it is like a. Okay, this is good for certain moments. This is like some fun. This adds a little one time joy. And then Mary's like, this is old dependable.
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Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna scratch that. Then I'm gonna say circle back. Is my Mary.
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Yeah.
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And then I'M gonna say kiss is take it offline. Which I usually don't. Which I usually don't say. I just actually take it offline.
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Right?
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Like call someone and then kill. Put a pin in it.
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This is interesting. Okay, Kristin, what do you got?
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All right, well, I gotta disagree with you, Francesca. The take it offline stuff. I'm like, well, now I have to keep track of this one other place when you're probably already slacking me and emailing me and texting me in some cases, some of my colleagues do all three. And then I'm supposed to also take it offline on top of all of that. And now I don't even have a paper trail of what we decided on. Plus, let's take it offline to me says I'm going to say stuff to
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you that maybe you do wish you
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had a record of later.
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But I mean, I do love a follow up email to be like, as discussed on our call, like, that's, that's what I always do it. For me, the take it off line is usually because I find that text can be easily misinterpreted. And I'm very, I'm very direct. And so sometimes over text it can sound like I'm mad. If you hear me on the phone, you're like, oh, she's not mad at all. Just being like very short in my email.
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Well, because some people overly flowerize the text stuff. I must say I've been in a lot of workspaces where they're like, and I'm so sorry to bother you and I know this is crazy and I know I'm being insane and you probably don't get this, but. And then, then you finally get to it. So I like a little direct sometimes.
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Yeah, I think it's just the phrasing of let's take this offline that is the added cherry on top of why I don't like it. So it's one more way I have to communicate and keep track of you. But then on top of that, just let's take it offline just sounds so. I hate the language around. Sounds like I don't want to be professional with you anymore.
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Well, it sounds like, yeah, do you want to take this outside? It does.
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It's like, let's go fisticuffs on this. And I'd rather say, hey, can we hop on the phone for three minutes just to clarify a few things. And that phrasing bothers me way less to say, can we just chat for three minutes about this? So, but I do have to kill it. I hate it when people say, let's take this offline. I'm sorry, Francesca. I know this is your makeout buddy,
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but you know what? Let's take this offline and we'll decide if you ever get to say it again.
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I will say, I'm gonna marry. Let's circle back. Because I actually say that.
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Yes.
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I say it, and I say it sincerely, even though it's embarrassing.
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I do that one, too. It's easy. It works.
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Yeah. And literally, we are going to circle back to this. We're going to start here. We're going to go through these points and then maybe think about it after more information and go back to this one point. We can do that.
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Yeah.
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Let's put a pin in it, though. I also don't really like that one.
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I love. Okay, this is my in defense of let's put a pin in it.
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Okay.
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Because let's put a pin in it means we're not dealing with this anymore, which I love. I love forgetting about something. So I usually am, like, when I'm like, thank goodness this person isn't responding because I don't want to do this work anyway. I'll say, yeah, you know what? Let's put a pin in this. And then never to be spoken of again. So I enjoy as a sort of procrastinator slacker. That's a great one to put a pin in it. You go, yeah, we're probably not going to circle back to this pin, and we're not going offline on that. So I, like, put a pin in it. I'm marrying that one.
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Oh, okay. All right. So I think, Francesca, you and I are in a throuple with let's circle back. Yeah, let's put a pin in it is all yours, kp.
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That's fine. I'll be good to her.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I do see your point, though, kp. Let's put a pin in it. The idea of, like, now I don't have to deal with this anymore.
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Yeah, we're all set.
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There is joy to that.
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Okay, we have another. This is a kiss marry kill of responding. Ooh, this is hard for me. Okay. Kiss marry kill is reply immediately, wait three hours or never reply.
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Francesca, we need you to go first on this one.
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I'm a wait three hours kind of girl. I mean, I don't have a time limit, but I often let things sit in my inbox, and then somebody, like, has to give me a nudge. I get the. I get the text from the manager that's like, hey, do you see that email? Can you respond to it? So I'll say, mary, answer in three hours. Never respond, kill. I think that's so. That's so rude.
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It's rude.
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And then what was the other one?
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Reply immediately.
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I mean, I guess I'm stuck kissing it, but it's not my preference. It depends on what it is.
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Yeah, I'll go. I mean, I'm a notorious. I need a nudge too. Because I. And it's a flaw of mine. Listen, I'm not trying to make excuses, but I don't respond very often. And here's my thing. I just don't think. Think everyone needs to be in contact with me 24 hours a day. It's too accessible. I really do think this. I go, I liked the idea that you would send a love letter to someone and it would arrive in four days and that was your mode of transportation. I like that communication. So I can't be on the hook for responding right away. Every time I think three hours is. That's my Mary, that's usually my time frame is like, I will get back to you. I'll just need one quick little nudge.
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I miss the days when people would use the subject line to like tell you if you needed to reply urgently. Like to say urgent reply or like response needed by EOD or, you know, like, give me a little tight summary up there. Don't just make it a random. Like, really maximize that subject line, please.
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Okay, I know we didn't say this before, but if we're dealing with email, I feel different than if it's by text because.
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Very true.
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I feel like I'm much better at writing back immediately to text messages. Email. I'm very embarrassed to say there are a lot of unread, unreplied to emails in my inbox. I'm one of those people that, like, inbox zero is a beautiful thing, but I'm not that person. I'm not inbox zero. I always have all these unread things that I haven't replied to. Not proud.
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But that's fine. This is a safe space. That's normal.
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Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so for Mary, I'm gonna reply immediately. And I like it when people reply immediately to me. Just, if you're in there, get back to me. You know, we don't need to play games. Do you like me? Do I like you? Are we going out on a date? Just reply and I'll reply to you. And that date can be a Meeting that we take offline and circle back with later, whatever. But I. I just like reply. If you want to know what my calendar availability is next week, I will tell you right now what my availability is and vice versa because I don't want to leave you hanging. You might have other meetings or, you know, auditions or tapings or obligations you might want to put in there. And if I wait hours and hours, I might be screwing up your life or vice versa. So ideally, I want the immediate reply re eloping right now. Waiting three hours also has its place. And I feel like if I reply in 3 hours, don't get mad at me. Never replying. I'm gonna kill. But that also means that I'm a little bit guilty of that.
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That's fine. That's fine. I. I really. I think he. There are certain people that need bumps. I. My friends know they gotta bump a text every so often if they're trying to get me somewhere. And that's. That's my love language. Full of bumps. All right, we have one more. We're gonna get away from emails. We're gonna get away from texts. Let's go over to decorating style.
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Ooh.
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Okay.
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Kiss. Merry Gil. Final one. Cottagecore. Mid century modern or modern farmhouse?
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I'm gonna say merry mid century modern because that's very much my vibe.
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Yeah.
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Kill cottagecore. And then what was the other one?
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I guess you're kissing the farm.
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No.
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Did you say farmhouse modern like Chip and Joanna Gaines?
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Yeah. Which.
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No, kill that one too.
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I know. Are you killing that one too, Kristen?
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I'm not going to kill that one, actually.
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Oh, okay. In defense of the modern farmhouse, Kristin, the time is yours.
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Okay, so here's why. Because I feel like sometimes farmhouse modern can have industrial touches, and sometimes farmhouse modern can mix with mid century modern in ways that can be interesting. Cottagecore. I'm killing cottagecore because cottagecore doesn't mix with mid century modern in any way, in my opinion. I'm a mid century modern gal through and through. Of course, when I met my husband, he was unfortunately modern farmhouse industrial. He had like, you know, the solid metal coffee table mixed with shiplap shelves matched with like, it was like the industrial farmhouse thing, but we added a couple of mid century touches and then somehow it worked together. Industrial farmhouse can work with mid century modern sometimes.
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All right, I'm willing to see that.
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Do you see what I mean?
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I'm willing to go down this path because I like metal touches. I think metal looks cool, but when
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I think industrial, I think Silver and steel. And I want, I want gold. I don't, I don't want silver, which
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is very mid century modern, to go forward.
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It's very mid century. Yeah.
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But some of those industrial farm lighting solutions can be very beautiful. Like the old filament, light bulb lamps and so on. Those are kind of industrial farmhouse. And those can look good with mid century modern in my opinion.
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See, industrial just reads as like steampunk to me sometimes. I can't be doing cogs and top hats in my house. I have to keep it chill.
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Yeah. It makes me think I'm gonna like, have to pee outside.
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Yes. Or like you're in like a millennial burger home where you're just like. They're making you a burger called, like
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Wet and Juicy and it's on a slab rather than a plate. You're eating on a slab.
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I'd say I would define my. I'm trying to go for like almost a Spanish mission thing lately. Like dark wood terracotta, like a lot of candles. I don't know. I'm trying to get a little.
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Like, it doesn't fit into any of those.
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No, no, no. I'm. I'm one of a kind. They always say this about me, so that's what I'm. That's what I'm marrying. And kissing is my own sense of style. I'm cheating. Okay, this was lovely. Does anyone have final thoughts on I? Well, I think we all killed cottagecore in a way, which I am like. I only think of like mushrooms and moss when I think of that. So I don't know even know. I don't think I'm the demographic when
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I think of cottagecore. I frequently think that. Okay, so I feel like all of the influencers who have TikTok or YouTube channels or whatever where they find something at an estate sale and they paint it in a very patchy way where it's not like consistent painting. That's how I think of cottage quartz. Like, you didn't paint this all the way. You kind of did patchy painting on it. And now it's seafoam green instead of its natural wood. And then I think of the mid century modern person taking that piece, stripping all the wood, giving it a dark finish, putting brass fixtures on it. That's how I think of mid century modern. And then I think of the industrial person or the industrial farmhouse person. Maybe just covering it all in barnwood.
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Yeah.
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Or.
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Yeah.
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Putting metal legs on it. Like steel legs, something like that.
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The modern farmhouse thing. I just think of Those like really stark, stark white kitchens, which I feel like the really open and stark white kitchens have been like gaining traction that I've seen especially in like influencer homes or whatever.
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I think of like an embroidered pillow.
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Oh, yeah, of course.
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I think of it as like really like cutesy and like, like doilies and like, like a lace curtain with like, like just very precious.
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Petite. Uh huh.
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In a way that just feels like grow up.
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Like so much cleaning must go into that.
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Yeah, well, it is, I think, like I like a lot of color in my house. I really do. I enjoy like some deep colors and it does feel like it's a lot
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of gray neutrals and like a blush pink and like a light gray and like things like that.
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Yes. Lots of pastels.
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Yeah, yeah. But I, I hear you, Kristen. I'm. I'm willing to do the work. I'm willing to look into it more, see how industrial and mid century modern can live hand in hand.
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Yeah.
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When you first moved in with your husband, was. Was it like a lot of putting your foot down or you were really trying to be quite 50? 50.
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You know, it was a gradual process and now it's 90% mid century moderate.
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Good, good.
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But it wasn't just immediately me taking all his furniture and giving it away. It was gradually like, hey, why don't we list this on Facebook? Marketplace.
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Yeah.
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Oh, hey. You know, I just don't think, you know, now that we're moving apartments, this might not fit anymore, you know, and then it was gradual, gradual, gradual. Yeah.
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Francesca, have you ever lived with a partner with terrible style?
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Yes. I really think my ex husband was colorblind because, like, he loved like brown and I'd be like, like brown. A brown couch is just like not fun. Like, it was lots of like neutral colors and I was always trying to sneak color in. So now I always joke that my apartment looks like a kid's target threw up because there's just color everywhere.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Very whimsical.
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Me too. I love the color. I. Brown. Why? Why brown?
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My ex had a similar thing. So much brown. And then I went to his mother's home and I was like, oh my God, it's like a chocolate factory in here. It is really crazy. I was like, this is. Yeah, every flower is brown. Even there's just like pampas grass. There's just like, oh, it was all brown everywhere. And the only thing, I mean, I just had more furniture. So when we moved in together, I was like, this is convenient that I just sort of get to Lead the way on this. But his sticking point was a red recliner. Like a leather. A red leather recliner.
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Red recliner.
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It was just a real. I just was like, I can't take this from him. But now he's no more. And so is the chair. Sorry.
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Thank goodness.
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Oh, God, no.
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Okay, good. So we're all sort of like, we need a little color at least. This is our. Where we meet in the middle. I like it. I agree with it. I'm all about it. And before we wrap, Francesca, I think we kissed all the frogs we needed to kiss. We circled back, we put pins in the things we didn't like. Francesca, is there anything our listeners should be checking out that you've been working on?
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I have a podcast with my best friend called Let Me Fix it, and it's a very constructive look at things that are happening in the world and in pop culture and in the news. So we review the headlines and then we pitch how we would fix the problems of the world. Yeah. And it's just been such a fun project to work on with my best friend, Delon. We've been friends for over 20 years, so our audience says it's like hanging out with their friends, which I really enjoy.
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Ah, fun.
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And, Francesca, before we all turn in, we love to ask our guests to give this special goodnight. You're saying goodnight to whoever you think needs the good, good nights. Setting the scene, getting comfy, saying goodnight to friends, loved one, the world, whatever you'd like. Give them the good night.
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I have to say a very special good night to my son, my Brussels Griffin, Pug. Flex.
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Oh, my God.
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Russell's Griffin has spent the day ripping and running, barking at people, swimming in the pool outside of our apartment, barking at children, barking at other dogs. He's very barky. And now he is retired, on the couch, passed out.
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May we all live with a bark in our hearts. What was his name?
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Flex.
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Flex is.
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Wow.
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Those are the Iwaki dogs. True.
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Yes. Yeah, he has an underbite. He's very wiry. And his name is Flex because he's come a long way as my rescue pup. But he wasn't very nice when I first got him, and now he is a lover dog. But he still has a little bit of gruffness in his heart, too.
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I like that. I like that. You got to work for it a little. That's nice.
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And I bet he's the cutest.
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That he is.
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I don't want to rank all the dogs out there, but I will say Brussels Griffon. Is in my top five in the cutest dog categories, in my opinion. They are such cute dogs. And I love that Flex is sending us off to bed because he's already there in bed. And we can all join him now.
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Yeah.
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I will talk to you all next time. Good night, Francesca. Good night, Kristen.
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Good night, kp. Good night, Francesca.
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Good night,
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