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Hello.
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You're about to drift into an episode
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of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light
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experience, visit Hatch Co. Enjoy. Hey there. I'm Sophia.
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And I'm Kristen. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, a slumber party for pop culture lovers.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yes. How you doing, Sophia?
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I'm good. I was away last weekend. I went to Vermont with my friends, which was really nice.
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Oh, that's right. I forgot you had that trip.
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Yeah, it was really fun. I cooked everyone steak. My favorite thing to do. I don't know why. Whenever I go on a trip, I'm like, we have to have steak. I think because it's like a treat to me. And I don't really have. I don't really, like, cook steak in my own apartment. But I had an amazing time. I went, got some clothes, I went shopping. Oh, yeah. And I was. This is. I had the amazing experience of going to. There's like a vintage store in the town in Woodstock. And I was like, this. There's a really cute place we should go. And then we four of us went and everyone bought something. So I was like, oh, my God, I feel so. Felt good. I was like, I know. I knew that you guys would like it here then. Yeah, just like, frolicked and we wrestled. My friends and I wrestled outside.
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The sounds so fun. You sound like some cute, like, baby bears in the woods. Yeah, basically wrestling, being cozy.
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Basically. Exactly that.
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Oh, that's so cool. I'm a big vintage shopper myself. I'm wearing a vintage sweater at this moment here in the pillow fort.
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I like it a lot. Yeah, I got like. It was very, like, serendipitous almost. I got this, like. I just bought this long sleeve off of ebay that I really liked, and I was like, oh, I want to get, like, another one of these, basically. And then we went to this vintage store, and they had the same brand shirt there, but in a different color. And I was like, oh, my God. This is literally. This is what dreams are made of.
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It was meant to be. Oh, my gosh. Wow. Oh, that's so great.
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How are you, Kristin?
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I am doing great, and I'm doing great. Not just because it's nice to see you, but because it has been nice to see so much great reality TV over the past several weeks. And we're gonna talk about some of that tonight.
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I can't wait.
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And I know you and I both love reality tv. We have talked on this show more than once. About reality tv. We've talked about Love Island. We've talked about America's Next Top Model. I think I told you face to face last time we saw each other that I'm also a big Traitors fan. And I loved this last season of the Traitors so much.
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I know we were really being spoiled with reality tv. I still feel like I'm kind of in it because one of my favorite Bravo shows is Back, which is Summer House. And so, like, Traitors ended, but Summer House has begun. So I feel like I'm like, not. Sometimes it's like all your shows are on, and then all of your shows are off, and you're kind of like, what do I do with my time? And now Love is Blind has ended as well, which I think might be part of the conversation tonight.
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But, yes, tonight's Nightgeist is indeed all about Love is Blind. But before we get into Love is Blind and specifically the Love is Blind reunion, we have a listener message. So do you want to read this, Sophia?
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Yes. Okay. Hi, the Nightly. This is Jonathan. I assume you'll be talking about Love is Blind at some point, and I have a lot of thoughts, and I'm very passionate about this because I'm also from Ohio, right outside of Columbus, so kind of my city. And let me just say that I'm so disappointed in the men they casted, as are we. There's no way they sit there and cast all these men thinking, this guy's gonna find love. But shout out to Vic and Christine because you can tell they love each other, and it's very beautiful. So shout out to them. And curious to hear your takes. So thank you, Jonathan. I mean, I think we agree with everything you said, but this is perfect because I. I mean, we're about to get into our takes right now, and Kristin's gonna walk us through the reunion, I believe.
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Yes, I absolutely am. And yeah, next time, Jonathan, you should join us for the reunion, because everything you said, we agree with us.
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I've watched basically everything except for the reunion, so I feel like I'm in a perfect position to be okay to have everything explained to me.
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Okay. So the first thing I'm going to explain to you, Sophia, is if you are struggling like I was to find the reunion, it's because it's not in the regular Love is Blind feed. Oh, you'll go to Netflix. You'll go to Love is Blind. You'll see seasons one through 10, and it won't be there. And that's because it's its own standalone thing that you have to search for.
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Oh, my God.
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It's called the Love Is blind reunion, season 10. So irritating.
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I wonder what. I wonder how that makes them more money, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
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Oh, yeah. You know, that's the only reason they did it.
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What Weird loophole. They're, like, working around for that to be, like, making them more money for some reason.
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Yeah. Because it's not for the convenience of viewers. It absolutely is not. I was on Reddit asking people like, how do I find this? And when I got there, I saw 8 million other people had already posted on Reddit asking the same question.
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So it's very confusing.
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Yeah. When you're ready to watch Sophia, just a heads up.
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Okay. You're. This is good to know. This is highly important and for the listeners as well, try not to forget.
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All right, so just some things I'm going to point out about the reunion. I'm going to go over some initial takeaways, some weird reveals, some happy reveals, et cetera. But just my first initial take on the whole thing was it was better than most of the prior reunions. And the main reason why is I actually think Nick and Vanessa Lachey, they may have taken some classes on how to moderate a conversation, or maybe the production staff sat down with them and said, this is how you push back. This is how you interject, this is how you lead the conversation in this direction and so on. And they both seem to actually do that for once.
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And this is major.
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This is a big step forward for them.
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It is so upsetting. Like, I feel like I felt this on Love Is Blind before. For a reunion to be not satisfying is, like, so upsetting because it's like, oh, my God, you have so many things that you want them to answer for. And even it's a bit different, I guess, from the Love is Blind. But like, oftentimes there's like things that have happened that you want them to talk about, whatever. And I think it was with. With like Love island, when maybe they had Ariana moderate the reunion or something. I forget who they had moderate it, but it's just. Can be so. It can turn into a complete mess because it's just like people screaming at each other. Nothing important gets said. And that is why, like, I do think Andy Cohen will pay for his crimes in a future life for what he's done. But I also have to give credit where credit is due and say that he is a really good reunion host. He's a very good, like, Mediator. Mediator, as you said. Yeah.
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He will call people to the mat and be like, but come on.
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And he'll say, like, cut it out. Like, when it's like. Because sometimes it's like, we are going nowhere. You guys are literally just, like, talking in circles or yelling over each other, and someone has to step up and be like, we have to move on. We're wasting precious time. So I'm proud of them for stepping it up a bit.
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Yeah, they're not doing perfect. They're doing way better, though. Vanessa isn't going off on weird tangents of baby craziness. She's always just like, when are y' all having babies? That's like every past reunion that she's done. And just. It's almost like she's so into gushing over everybody that she doesn't actually get us the answers we want. But this time, the men in particular were called into question for certain things.
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Thank God.
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Like, I don't know if you remember one of the cast members this year. Alex.
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Of course I remember Alex.
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He was maybe a soccer player in a past life, and maybe he lived in Florida, but maybe he actually lived in Arizona. Arizona.
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Yeah.
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But maybe he also was from New Zealand. And, yeah, his timelines kept on getting really mixed up on the show. And so his fiance was just like, hold on. Are you lying?
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I know that guy was a freak.
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He was.
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And I do not like him. I'm scared of him. And people were literally like, I think he hired his mom as an actor to come on the show.
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Oh, my gosh. Either that or his mom just loves him too much. I don't know.
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Good luck. Many such cases. Yeah.
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But, yeah, they actually questioned him on it, and he tried to give a coherent answer, which didn't sound coherent at all. But I'm glad that they called him on that, because I feel like in the past, they wouldn't have called him on that.
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Did he say anything that was like, sounded legitimate?
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I just think he's a liar. He's like, well, do I have to over explain myself? But then I have to mention like, oh, but then for a month, I was in this apartment in Austin, and then I was in this one, and it's like, no, you just have to say you lived in Austin.
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Yeah.
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You know, just. Just say where you lived and what the timeline was.
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Totally.
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And tell us the truth. If who you were living with was your girlfriend at the time, and he's like, oh, but it's. You know, in order to do that, then I Have to give way more details and the number of details. Like, nobody needs to hear that whole backstory. And it's like, actually, your fiance might want to hear that story. Yeah, of course.
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It's so bizarre, like, with the lying. I'm just like, I don't know. It's just. It's just so bizarre. The line from him in particular is so bizarre because it's just. I guess part of it is that it's unclear, like, what he even is, like, trying to cover up or gain from the lies. And then I'm like, I think you're just, like, addicted to lying.
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I think he is too. And I don't actually think he has a job.
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No, I don't think he has a job at all.
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Day trader, maybe? Soccer player. I'm busy all day, but I don't do anything because I mostly just live with girlfriends.
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And he's a part time soccer coach. I don't think he has any type of, like, I don't think he is a day trader. I don't believe that.
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Also, have you ever heard the term hobosexual?
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Yes.
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You're kind of like homeless, but not really. You just sleep with whatever woman you're sleeping with at her house.
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Yes, he is hobosexual.
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Yeah. They also called Chris to task because Chris was the one who was engaged to Jessica, but Jessica didn't have a, quote, Pilates body. So he was totally hot for Brie, who, as far as I could tell, had exactly the same body. They looked the same to him, literally. Yeah. But he was flirting with Bri whenever he could, and Chris got called out for that. And Chris was very diplomatic. It seemed like he had some PR training. And he said, that was not the best version of me, and I apologize to those I hurt. Also, he looks totally different. He now looks very shiny and has very long hair and.
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Yeah, he got dipped in wax.
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Yeah. He looks so different. Yes. Wax. Yeah.
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He got shellacked.
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Yes.
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Wait, did Bri have to answer for herself?
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Okay. No. And this is one way that I think that Nick and Vanessa did not do a good job moderating because they seem to be really calling the dudes to task, but not the women, because Bri, she was totally entertaining. Yeah. It's like she's enjoying the attention, and you can tell she's enjoying the attention and she doesn't shut it down. She's like, tell me more about how much you think I have a Pilates body, essentially. Like, come on, Brie, I know. I think you're a mean Girl.
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I know.
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And then. I don't know if you remember, but Alex kind of also entertained his nonsense. And Priyanka. So Alex, Priyanka, who was one of the pod squad. We didn't follow much. And then Bri, the three of them, they are mean girls. And not only did they entertain Chris and his nonsense, but the three of them went on a trip with Devonta while he was engaged to Britney.
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Wait, what?
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Devonta told Brittany, I'm gonna go on a business trip or something.
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Wait, while he was engaged?
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Yes. And he went on a trip with these three other girls instead.
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Oh, no.
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And again, Nick and Vanessa did not call him on that. It's like, why are you not digging into that more?
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That is really crazy.
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Like, they called Devonta on it, but they didn't ever point to the three girls who went along with, like, ladies, you shouldn't have done that.
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There was also a point where during the. Where they all, like, see each other out of the pods, like, one of those hangouts, like, at the bar or whatever. It was like Chris was ranting against Jessica, saying, like, it's like, the worst sex I've ever had. All this, like, nasty stuff. And it was like, Ashley, Bri, and one other girl, maybe Pre. I forget it might have been Pre, who were just standing there listening to him. And I was like, you all need to rot somewhere because this is not right. The way that you're acting. It's so crazy. But I also understand, like, I don't think this show obviously is. Or it's not a very, like, nuanced show, of course. So, like, I don't think that they're. They're more equipped to take the men to task than kind of handle the women in their, like, internalized misogyny or whatever's going on. Yeah, that's a little. That's a couple steps to advance for them, I fear.
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I love your cultural studies take on all of this. I love your deconstructing of it. But there I. Oh, my gosh. Sophie, is it gonna ruin it for you if I give some spoilers?
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No, no, tell me everything. It's totally fine. I, like, love spoilers.
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Okay, so Brie and Connor.
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Yeah.
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You may remember in the final episode, did not get married.
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Yes.
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But they are still a couple, and they're still very much together.
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Wait, Brie and Connor?
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Yeah.
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Oh, my God. Wait, that's crazy. I feel bad for Connor. He was so sweet.
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Yeah. And. And the way they described it is like, oh, we never stopped being together. We just didn't get married.
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Totally.
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But we are going to get married one day. They said. Yeah. They're like, it's not that we're not getting married. We're still gonna get married. Just not then.
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Wait. That is honestly crazy to me, because I feel like if I was Connor and I had seen the way Bri was, like, entertaining Chris. All these names are, like, the exact same, but they're all the same person. The way Brie is, like, entertaining Chris and was, like, letting him be like, you want someone who's dominant? And I'm like, I could squash you like a bug. I would not be able to move forward with dating her, I don't think. Wow.
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Yeah. But they're. They're very much solidly together.
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They're locked in.
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They're in it to win it or something. I don't know. Something else. Jessica, who did not have enough of a Pilates body, in Chris's opinion.
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Yes.
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Is now very happily in love with somebody else from the pod squad. Okay.
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I think I heard this. One of the guys who, like, we don't really know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay. That's sweet.
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I think he got, like, 30 seconds of screen time, but they're totally a couple right now. He clearly worships her.
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Okay.
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I'm both doctors. They're both, like, living their best doctor lives in love with each other, and they seem like they're really nice to each other and really sweet on each other.
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I'm very happy for them.
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Me too. Jessica, I'm just glad you're not with Chris, honestly, so.
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Of course.
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Yeah. DeVonta had a surprise at the reunion. He is going to be a father in a few months, so I know this part. This is the problem of when you wait even a few days after all the.
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All the spoilers, I'm gonna know. I'm gonna know. I can't. So he got. So devonte got someone pregnant, what, like,
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three months after he left the show?
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Okay.
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Like, something like that. Yeah.
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And he's, like, dating that woman, too. Or it was like, he.
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They're supposedly a couple now.
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That is really crazy.
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I know. And this is gonna sound really mean. I'm like, Devonta doesn't seem like a hot commodity to me. I'm like, I cannot believe.
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No, he seems like a loser. And Brittany was so sweet and, like, bubbly and literally so beautiful.
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I'm like, oh, my God, dude, you're with a 10.
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I know. Well, he was, like, completely disinterested and also, like, has no, like, access to his, like, inner world. Or like emotional life.
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Yeah. He also is kind of the opposite of what Love is Blind is supposed to be about. Where he says, I only date white women, but I'm gonna do this Love is Blind thing and see what's out there.
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I know.
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And then he ended up with a woman who, like him, was mixed.
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Yes.
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He's like, I don't do that. And it's like, oh, my God, guy.
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I know.
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Come on.
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It's so crazy.
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I have to say, for me, the happiest update. Vic and Christine, very much still in love. This is the couple where he's like a professor of criminology, I think. And they were barely shown during the series. They didn't get to go to Mexico because the showmaker said, like, oh, we could only send six couples to Mexico. It wasn't in the budget, which I think is a load of malarkey. Course you have enough money for these reunions to have a bunch of stupid skits with D list celebrities showing up like, no, you have a bunch of money for terrible music rights, for songs that we don't care about. Just play the bad music.
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You could get one more suite.
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Yeah.
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But I also think they just knew that there wasn't gonna be any drama with them. So they were like, whatever, we'll just send them to. Where'd they send?
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They got sent to Malibu instead. And they were. You're right. They're very healthy. They communicate like adults. They're on the same page. And they love each other.
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I know her.
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Her mom loves him.
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That was really crazy to see. Like, I just feel like Love is Blind has some of the most, like, twisted individuals that are interested in being on that show. Like really scary people. And for two completely sweet and normal God fearing people to find each other and fall in love was beautiful and truly astounding to witness.
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Yes, it was quite something. But oh my God, the way they look at each other. They really.
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They're so cute.
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They're so sweet. And during the reunion, to make up for the fact that they did not get to go to the Mexico getaway with everybody else, TurboTax, sponsored by TurboTax, gifted them the honeymoon of their dreams.
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Oh, my God.
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Yes. So I was happy for them. Just some other minor tidbits. The audience was completely made up of former Love is Blind cast members. Oh. So it was fun to see some of the couples. Like, I've always loved Tiffany and Brett, my all time faves. Cameron and Lauren. Just Cameron was there. Cause Lauren was home with her new baby. But yeah, so many couples were represented there, and it was just great to see them. And among the people who were in the audience, do you remember Chelsea Blackwell from season six who got roasted because in the pods, she was asked, do you look like any celebrities? And she said, oh, I was once told I looked like Megan Fox. And everybody made fun of her because unlike Megan Fox, she doesn't have a lot of plastic surgery, and she's not rail thin.
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It is like, you say this one thing, and she's literally just being like, people have told me this, and people will tell you anything. People will tell you you look like people you don't even look like. And I can see why people would tell her that also. And then she got brutally destroyed.
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She did. And then what's wild is at this reunion, she literally looked like Megan Fox
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because she got plastic surgery.
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She dyed her hair back dark again like it used to be. And so now it's like, oh, actually, you look like Megan Fox. No, of course I can see this now.
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Of course. Of course. Oh, my God. People are so crazy.
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Yeah. Oh, my God. Anywho, overall, I thought it was a pretty good reunion. The dumb skit things you can fast forward through, those are just a waste
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of time, in my opinion. This is all good for.
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We don't need to see the musical performance of somebody we've never heard of before partway through the show. Nobody needs that stuff.
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You don't need a concert.
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I'm here for trash.
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I'm here for trash. I'm here to see Bri be held to the fire, which she was not, I guess.
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Exactly. Exactly. That's all I want. So I enjoyed it. And I will say I enjoyed this season of Love Is Blind much more than I've enjoyed some other seasons recently.
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I really enjoyed it. I. I haven't seen all the seasons. I just started watching, like, last year, and I think I've seen, like, honestly, only, like, three or something. But compared to the one that I watched last year, I was definitely.
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Oh, the Minneapolis one?
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Much more impressed. Yeah.
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Oh, God, that was terrible. I couldn't get through the Minneapolis season.
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I don't know if I finished it either. But this one I was loving. It was high drama, I'll say that.
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I love some drama. And so I really enjoyed that. And now I'm just trying to put together my menu for what other reality shows I'm gonna really enjoy next. And I think what I'm gonna do is try Traitors season three next. Cause I so loved season four.
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I think you should okay.
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All right, I'm gonna do it.
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Yeah. I really liked last season of Traitors. I highly recommend the international seasons of Traitors as well, which are like, not celebrities. I've watched like Australia and some UK ones that are really fun. Those are really good too, but yeah.
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Oh, that's great. All right, I will try those. And Sofia, you're gonna watch.
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I'm gonna keep watching Summer House, my go to reality show right now. I think that's like the main thing I'm watching. I mean, I'm watching other stuff that's non reality. I'm watching the Pit, which I love and I need to. It's so good.
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Love it.
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And I need to catch up on industry because they just had the season finale also and I'm behind on the season, so I have lots of TV to catch up on. Every. Every day there's something new to watch. Oh, and I'm watching Survivor, which I can't even get into because it's too much, but that is really. That is looming large in my mind and in my heart is Survivor season 50.
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Oh, man.
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I.
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Okay, I. You have more drama in your life than I do.
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I know.
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I have a lot of additional shows that are more feel good. Like shrinking.
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Oh, the shrinking is good. Shrinking is good.
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I really like shrinking. Yeah. You know, I. I'm watching a few shows like that now too, in addition to the reality shows.
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We gotta balance it out. We gotta have some balance. But do you know what, Kristen? I'm getting pretty sleepy after all this reality talk. It's time for some unreality, which is ultimately my dream. So I think I'm gonna turn in.
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Oh, me too. I'm ready for some shut eye so that I'm all fresh and ready to watch more reality tomorrow. Until then, good night, Sophia.
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Good night, Kristen. Sa.
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