A (2:40)

Yeah, that's the thing. Cause otherwise I just default back to, well, no one did this 60 years ago. And they were all right. Mind you, they did age horrifically.

B (2:51)

That's what I was gonna say. I was like, you know, they Were all the golden girls were like 50 years old and we all thought they were 80.

C (2:58)

God. Speaking of, I love Golden Girls. Oh my gosh.

B (3:00)

They are really, they're lovely.

C (3:02)

I one of their T shirts. I have a Stay Golden T shirt that I have hung on my wall. I'm a big merch hanging on wall type person. It's great. So I wake up and go, stay golden. Okay,

B (3:16)

reminder now. Are you a night owl? Are you a morning person? Do you go to sleep early, late? Depends.

C (3:22)

Yeah, so I'm a morning person but I never wake up in time for it. So I guess you could say I'm a night owl. I guess. Yeah.

B (3:33)

Okay. Maybe a mid afternoon person.

C (3:35)

Yeah, I mean again, it's like I like to keep it spicy with variety. So it's no actual routine. It's very bad. But it just depends on what's going on, I guess.

A (3:47)

I don't think that's a bad thing, not having routine. I actually think it sort of makes more sense, doesn't it? Because depending on what you've been doing, that determines how much rest you need. So I always think it would be mad to get up at the same time every morning because sometimes I don't get to bed until like 4.

B (4:04)

Yeah, that's true.

A (4:06)

I'm gonna get up at 6.

C (4:07)

And if we're doing astrology, I mean I'm a Sagittarius, so it's very. I like variety and randomness and spontaneity and everything being different constantly.

B (4:17)

So yeah.

C (4:18)

But I like to tell people I'm a morning person and I wake up and you know, make my latte and watch the sun. Right? No, I'm not that. But it's on the way to the airport when you have that.

A (4:29)

It's a nice thought, isn't it?

C (4:31)

It's a nice thought, yeah.

A (4:32)

Yeah.

B (4:33)

I'm being a poser morning person. I'm usually in LA these days. I'm in New York for a second and the three hour time zone difference. I wake up at nine and I feel like, oh my goodness, I popped right out of bed and I'm like, yeah. Cause it feels like noon in LA time. So I'm just sort of hacking the system by just continuing to move eastward and that'll make me feel more productive.

C (4:53)

Just keep going as well. Just keep traveling.

B (4:56)

I'll be across the pond soon, so keep an eye.

C (4:59)

I definitely also, but I will say that like I'm very about lighting. All of my lights at night are all very low on the floor.

B (5:07)

That's Nice ambiance.

A (5:08)

How do you mean low on the floor? Just like literally just low lamps.

C (5:12)

Yes. So I hide lights. Like I have one under my desk, under the sofa bit under the table, under. So the light comes from the floor and sort of like. Sort of comes out of the furniture.

A (5:24)

So you get like a glow coming out.

C (5:26)

Yeah, it's very. It's fun. It's like the room's glowing and I like that.

B (5:31)

Well, it's kind of faking some candlelight. I do always like, I'm rewatching Game of Thrones and the candlelight makes everyone look so lovely. We gotta get more just glowing, low light. So you're onto something.

C (5:42)

The drama too of it. Everything is like underlit and you're like in the mirror.

B (5:48)

All I can think about is how long it must have taken, like lighting up one room. Cause the candles don't last all day. I mean, it must have taken hours of. Your day is spent lighting candles. It seemed impossible, but I don't think

A (6:00)

they had a great deal else going on though.

B (6:02)

That is true. I guess they didn't have to catch up on shows and tv.

A (6:07)

Yeah. You might as well just light candles.

C (6:09)

I wonder if that was the official title, like the King's Royal Candle Lighter and Blower Outer.

B (6:14)

I bet.

A (6:15)

I think that was like in Victorian times, the candle. I was a candle snuffer. I think that would wake people up because he'd put the street lamps out with a snuffer thing and he'd bang on the window with it to wake you up.

B (6:29)

That is true. I've heard of that. You just go around and he's your alarm clock. He's yelling and hitting you. Yeah, yeah, Love that.

A (6:35)

Yeah.

B (6:35)

I'm surprised we don't have an app for that.

A (6:38)

People would pay an unbelievable subscription for that nowadays. I think that would be like some real fancy smart app. You get someone to come around your house and yell at you.

B (6:50)

Well, I know just the sleep company that can invest in this. Hatch.

C (6:54)

Yeah, hatch on your door. Hatch. Door to door.

A (6:56)

Great idea.

B (6:58)

A few spry people to just be going door to door, window to window.

A (7:06)

I should say Luke as well. Cause we've not really introduced what this is yet. Today's episode of the Nightly is a little special. It's called Pub chat, Which. Okay, I mean, like I said earlier, I think. I think the name needs work. But essentially it's just a conversation. I've got a couple of news stories and stuff which I found passably interesting.

B (7:39)

Almost possibly a little sort of interesting.

C (7:42)

A Teeny tiny little bit.

A (7:45)

Actually, do you know what? I am gonna start. Cause this. This is quite interesting. I think.

B (7:50)

Please.

A (7:51)

Oxford Dictionary have published their word of the year. Do you know what it is?

C (7:57)

Absolutely not.

B (7:59)

I don't.

A (8:00)

I didn't know either. You'd think for a word of the

C (8:02)

year,

A (8:05)

you probably have heard about it, but it was brain rot last year.

C (8:10)

Oh, yeah, I did hear that. Yeah.

B (8:12)

Okay.

A (8:13)

Again, I think it's a bit of a cop out, to be honest.

B (8:16)

Can we guess? Is it like a. Is it a Gen Z ish term?

C (8:19)

Is it sludge or like that word slob? Is it slob?

A (8:24)

Oh, no. Do you know what? I bet that that will be this year's one.

B (8:28)

That's really good.

A (8:29)

This is 2025's one.

C (8:31)

Oh, okay.

A (8:31)

Okay, so. But I bet 2026 will be slop or some variation of these words.

B (8:37)

Slop.

A (8:40)

But this one, a bit of a cop out because it is sort of two words. Again, I would say it's a bit of a Gen Z type term.

B (8:46)

Okay.

A (8:47)

But I use it occasionally, so it's not, you know, it's not that unusual.

B (8:53)

All right. I'm not gonna be able to guess. What is it?

A (8:56)

Rage bait.

B (8:57)

Oh, okay. It's very similar to brain rot. I feel they were kind of sticking with the same vibe, at least from last year's.

A (9:05)

Again, I don't feel like it's a lot of thought got into it, really. It's not a word either. It's two words.

C (9:10)

Two words.

B (9:12)

Oh, see, I don't put the space in between. So maybe that's. Maybe me and Oxford were seeing the same thing out of it. Rage bait. Now that's interesting. Now, I don't love rage bait as a concept. I'm kind of anti rage bait. I think it just creates so much more negativity online, which I already find it to be so irritating sometimes to be online. And so then you have people pretending to do things and just making people upset. And it does. It works on me. I get upset.

A (9:40)

Yeah, it's easy to get sucked in.

C (9:42)

I think the rage bait videos that I've seen is just like when someone almost does something and the video stops. Right. Is that what that is?

B (9:48)

Oh, see, that could be a type of one where it is like, ah, you don't get the result. The result that is rage inducing.

C (9:54)

You watch all of it and then.

B (9:56)

Yeah, see, one that came to mind from this week is a woman was giving a hack and she said, you know, you can clean your underwear in the hotel coffee Machine now that is just, you know, really a terrible hack. You shouldn't. And so I feel as if that's an example of rage bait, where it is like, is anyone actually doing that? You really hope. No, but she's just saying stuff so that other people get enraged and leave comments and it boosts her video, you know?

C (10:28)

Right.

A (10:28)

It's just to try and get comments, isn't it? People do it a lot where they make a real obvious error as well, on purpose, just so they can get people correct in them.

C (10:38)

I think my most, like, rage baity thing that I do is that I eat pizza with ketchup and a knife and fork. I always get comments on it. People are like, why are you doing that?

A (10:52)

And I go, well, I just did

C (10:55)

it, did it as a kid, and I just haven't changed. I don't know why I can't eat it with my hands. And I need ketchup. And it's.

A (11:02)

I think it.

B (11:02)

The ketchup, that would make sense somewhere

C (11:04)

it's nice to dip it. Right. Something to dip it in. But people like, it's got tomato on it. And I'm like, but it's extra tomato. I don't know.

B (11:12)

Yeah, I like tomato.

A (11:12)

I completely agree with that.

C (11:13)

Right.

A (11:14)

I put ketchup on beans on toast, even though that is literally a tomato sauce. But it's a different kind of tomato sauce.

B (11:20)

Yeah.

C (11:21)

I also though, I think one of the most rage creative things, speaking of ketchup, is when you go to restaurants and they say, we make our own ketchup. And I go, oh, my God. No. Just no. And then. Or I'm a Heinz. Like, that's. I. I can tell. What's Heinz? I. I can tell. You go to a restaurant and they have a Heinz bottle on the table, and then they put non Heinz ketchup in it. And I'm like, I can tell. That's what Heinz. That's. That's my personal rage bait.

B (11:47)

That's how I. Yeah,

A (11:56)

Moving on.

B (11:57)

Okay.

A (11:58)

Are you aware of crotchgate at the Winter Olympics?

B (12:02)

Oh, I am.

C (12:03)

No. What?

A (12:05)

I hadn't crossed my path at all throughout the whole thing. Yeah. So, kp, do you want to give us a rundown? Are you aware of what's going on here?

B (12:14)

Okay, I'll try.

C (12:15)

Spill the tea. Kp.

B (12:16)

What? I know there's kind of always a crotch gate happening at Olympics because in the summer ones two years ago in pole vaulting, a man got his pole stuck on the pole, and so there's always some sort of crotch gate. Going on. But this year, it is that there's some injectable that certain downhill skiers were putting down below that was slightly enlarging to give a sail like feature to their under area. And therefore, the judges were wondering if perhaps that is giving them more airtime and giving them an advantage. Wait, I did that as PC as I possibly could.

A (12:56)

I think you nailed that, actually. Cause I thought they were doing it because of the. The sort of tight suit that you gotta wear, but actually, apparently it's to aid lift.

B (13:07)

Right. There's an aerodynamic thing happening with injectables.

C (13:13)

It's the hardest trend. That's insane. Wow.

B (13:18)

I just really liked the term sail. Like, when I was reading the article, it just kept saying sail, like. And I was like, that is really visceral.

A (13:28)

Yeah. Like a flying squirrel.

B (13:30)

Yes, exactly.

A (13:31)

Yeah. Yeah. I suppose your friend in the beauty industry hasn't mentioned this at all, Luke.

C (13:36)

Yeah, I have to bring it up to them. Just be like, hey, tell me about this hot crotch game. We're gonna get this injectable on a little Florida. That's wild.

B (13:46)

Yeah, it is interesting. Cause I'm sure, you know, maybe it gives a 0.001% advantage, but in the Olympics, it is weird that it does come down to that often where it is like, you know, I was watching just even some of the speed, losing or whatever, and it is like, ah. Yep, he edged him out by like one tenth of a millisecond. And that wins the gold versus the silver. So it is like, I guess you're doing some crazy things just to get the tiniest edge.

C (14:12)

Yeah. Card.

A (14:14)

Yeah. Did you catch much of the Winter Olympics, Luke? Is that your sort of thing?

C (14:19)

I mean, I watched. Yeah. So much of the figure skating.

B (14:24)

Oh, yeah.

C (14:26)

I mean, I just don't know how they do it. Every time they go for that jump, you're just like, oh, my God. But more so. It's fabulous watching now. Like, I know that I really enjoy the fashion side of it, and that part of it is becoming really elevated. And I. There was one vegan skater, I can't remember her name, which is very possible, very popular, but I think Oscar de la Renta did like her outfit. So now it's becoming more of a spectacle in that way as well. And it really is just, like, incredible to watch. And also how that the song will now match more so the alpha. So then the alpha will, like, flow in a different way. Yeah. I'm not focusing clearly on the sport. I'm focusing on the fashion, which is very typical for me. But yeah, it's.

B (15:14)

Yeah, that is a cool part, especially in the figure skating, because so many of the other team sports, you're just in, you know, spandex in the color of your country. So it is figure skating. They get to really show out with the costumes. And I think they are quite. They're beautiful because they are dancey, but they're also, you know, made to fit what you're seeing. It's pretty.

A (15:37)

Does that count towards the results in any way?

C (15:40)

Well, I mean, I guess, like, you're serving the song, right, and the essence and the spirit of, like, whatever the song means to you. So if your outfit can reflect that or move with that, then it just makes it more of a spectacle, I guess.

B (15:54)

Yeah. But I think, points wise. Yeah, it still usually is just like number of jumps and how well you did the jumps. So I don't think. I think if you just showed up in a black spandex, you'd still get the same amount, right?

A (16:06)

Maybe.

B (16:07)

But I like it. I also like how it goes out of the Olympics too. Like, Johnny Weird. He just wears lovely outfits now in the Traitor's Castle, too. So there's just like. He's a figure skater that now is just fashionable and they like him.

C (16:22)

Absolutely, yeah.

A (16:23)

Who's that? Johnny.

B (16:25)

Johnny Weir. He's. Yeah, figure skater over here. And he's in this US season of the Traitors and Alan Cumming, of course, giving some of the best outfits in the world.

A (16:37)

Oh, is Alan Cumming. What, is he hosting it?

C (16:39)

Yeah, he's the US host. Yeah.

A (16:40)

Oh, that's great.

C (16:41)

He's great. He's so good at it. It's so.

B (16:43)

He's really good.

C (16:45)

Yeah. He meets the sort of drama, but with the slight humor that I think so they have in the UK as well.

B (16:52)

And he keeps it quite Scottish. Somebody's got to keep the Scottish vibe going. So it's good that he's there.

C (16:57)

Matches the castle, you know.

B (16:59)

Yes. Your host on the US Traders, or on the UK Traders, is. What's her name?

A (17:04)

Claudia Winkleman.

B (17:06)

Claudia. Okay, now, she's got an awesome vibe, too. She has, so. Yeah, I love her too.

A (17:12)

She's amazing.

C (17:12)

Her look is timeless. She's the same look she's done for years. And she just looks amazing.

B (17:18)

Yeah.

C (17:19)

Adore her.

A (17:20)

She is incredible. That's. My cat is called Claudia Winkelman.

C (17:25)

Oh, my God, that's brilliant.

B (17:27)

And does she have a wonderful vibe too, your cat?

A (17:29)

She does, yeah. Because she's got the same sort of thing going on do you know what it was because we were watching Traitors and Claudia Winkelman had obviously the black fringe and this black thing on with a bit of white here. And Claudia Winkelman the cat also has the black thing. Black with the white hair.

C (17:48)

That's brilliant.

A (17:50)

It was a no brainer. Yeah.

B (17:52)

And now what do you call the cat for short? Wink.

A (17:56)

Claw. Claude.

C (17:57)

Oh my gosh. But Winkles is such a cute name for claw.

A (18:01)

Not actually considered that. Yeah.

C (18:03)

I don't know. But yelling Claudia Winkleman through your house there must be so fun.

B (18:08)

I have only seen one season of it, but I go, she's a character. I like that.

A (18:12)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (18:13)

Also I love like very human names for animals, for pets. It's so fun.

B (18:18)

My dog is Howard.

C (18:20)

Brilliant.

A (18:20)

Oh yeah, that's great.

B (18:21)

I think that's a nice. Yeah.

C (18:22)

Human name. I'd love to get like a German shepherd in court like Tiffany. Just like yell Tiffany through a park. Tiffany.

B (18:29)

That is.

C (18:30)

Get in the car. Tiffany.

B (18:34)

Well, now I'm going on a tangent, but Tiffany is one of those names that did, you know, it's like one of the oldest names in history. Like Tiffany has been around. There were Tiffany's in medieval times. Isn't that just odd to think about where it was just like, yeah, bring Sir Roderick and then Tiffany. And so it was just. That was like one of our oldest names that survived.

C (18:54)

I say now you've unlocked a whole new level of my adoration for the name Tiffany.

B (19:00)

Yeah. Cause for. I mean, it just seems like it's such a like almost 80s name or something. You know, just a classic, just mall name. Go to the mall. But it's. Yeah, it's a very old one that hasn't changed. Like a lot of other ones. Like even Podrick turned to Patrick or like different names have turned into other things. Tiffany has just sort of stayed. Stayed the same.

C (19:23)

Okay. I'll be doing a deep dive on the name Tiffany after this, that's for sure.

B (19:27)

Yes. Okay. Yes.

A (19:28)

What else is there? Like John. John's probably same, innit?

B (19:33)

Mm.

A (19:34)

There's probably not too many, but another

B (19:36)

one that's a name that like seems new but is old is Shane. Shane's been around since like the 1600s.

C (19:44)

Okay, Shane.

B (19:45)

Shane.

C (19:46)

We see you. Shane.

A (19:48)

It's a great boy band name.

B (19:49)

Shane.

C (19:50)

Yeah.

B (19:51)

There's something like a permanent teenager about that name.

A (19:54)

Yeah.

C (19:55)

Thou. Shane and Tiffany. It must cometh over.

B (19:57)

Yes, exactly.

A (20:02)

This has been great, Luke. Genuinely, thank you so much for coming along tonight.

C (20:08)

Thanks for having me.

A (20:09)

Is there anything that our listeners should know about that you're working on, aside from Hatch Classics, which, you know, they should already be listening to.

C (20:17)

Oh, well, actually, yeah, I have a film coming out I'm going to be in, the Magic Faraway Tree, which is based on the Enid Blyton book.

A (20:27)

Amazing.

C (20:28)

And it will be in theaters on March 27th of this year 2026. And it's a really beautiful, magical and just heartwarming film about a family who's trying to two parents who want their children to sort of reconnect with nature. It's honestly a lot sort of similar in the terms of like quieting down their brains, getting off their tablets, going outside, reconnecting with nature. So they, you know, they move their family to the countryside and then these children go on an adventure down the Magic Faraway tree. So I'm in that coming out and that's really fun and that sounds lovely.

B (21:10)

I can't wait to watch.

C (21:12)

It's very silly and funny and fun and it's gonna be great.

A (21:15)

Amazing. Well, do go and watch that. And one final thing, Luke, before we let you go, we like to ask our guests to give a special good night. So sort of set the scene, get comfy and you can say goodnight to a friend, a loved one, the world or kind of whatever feels right to you.

C (21:36)

Okay. Oh my gosh. I would like to say goodnight to all the Tiffanys and Shanes out there.

A (21:44)

That's perfect.

B (21:45)

They need it. They need it.

C (21:47)

If you're Tiffany, you're a Shane. I hope you sleep well tonight.

B (21:50)

That is great. I will give a special goodnight to Claudia Winklevoss. What's the name?

C (21:56)

Winkleman. Good night, Claudia.

B (21:59)

I'm giving a special goodnight to Claudia Winkleman the person and Claudia Winkelman the cat.

A (22:03)

She'll love that.

B (22:04)

Yeah.

A (22:05)

Thank you.

B (22:07)

No special goodnights from you, Matt. Nobody needs to go to bed.

A (22:10)

Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Do you know what? No, I've had enough.

B (22:14)

You've given enough to these people. They do not need a special good night from.

C (22:19)

To all the skiers out there using injectables. Yeah.

A (22:22)

Yeah. Good night to everyone involved in Crotchgate. I hope you get through it.

B (22:25)

Yes.

A (22:26)

Maybe you'll think twice next time before creating a sail like undercarriage. Yeah.

C (22:31)

Good night to all the sailors out there.

B (22:33)

Yes. The open seas. I don't know if they got away with it. We'll see. But it was a lovely Olympic showing and thank you so much for your time today, Luke. Thank you for your special good night. Thanks for having me and I hope you all sleep so well.

C (22:48)

Good night.

A (22:48)

Night, Luke. Night, kp. To learn more about our phone free light and audio experience, head to Hatch Co. You can also follow us at Hatch Podcasts.