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of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience, visit Hatch Co.
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Hey there. I'm Wills.
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And I'm Josh. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch, where your late night thoughts go to rest. Wills, it's so nice to be back in the pillow fort with you. Per usual, it's amazing. What's new with you? Anything, any excitement happened this week?
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I had something funny happen to me on Sunday where I was. I went out on Friday and I was really. I honestly was tired. For the rest of the weekend, I'm going to be real, extremely relatable.
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I think our listeners, our listeners know what it's like to be sleepy.
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They know what it's like. And that's what I was battling. And I was like, so come Sunday night, I realized, of course, naturally, I have a comedy show in Astoria. Why not?
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That's far from you.
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Yeah. So to kind of, for context, that is about an hour, 15 minute train ride away from where I live. Naturally. And so I was like, very tired going to this comedy show on Sunday. And I was on the train and I was like falling asleep. I was trying to read. I've been rereading Detransition Baby, which I've really been enjoying, side note. But I was reading and then honestly, I was like, I'm putting myself to sleep by reading, which once again, is something I think our listeners know a lot about.
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That's right.
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So the train can really lull you to sleep. Like, it's so. The slight movement, it's kind of like a baby in a. In a. Like being rocked almost.
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Yeah, kind of a nice little. A metal cradle or womb.
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Yes, exactly, a metal womb. And so I was on the train falling asleep, which is, I would say, a vulnerable thing to do. You don't look very cute when you're doing that.
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I would say you're very emotionally open to be able to do that. Very vulnerable.
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I was feeling. I was feeling vulnerable. And I open my eyes and I look across from me and there is a guy sketching me.
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Whoa.
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And I was like, that is, in my opinion, crazy to sketch someone while they're falling asleep. I'm very interested and intrigued to know what the final sketch looked like. I was nodding off, but then I was, like, looking at him. He saw me look at him. He knew that. He knew that I knew what he was doing. He knew I knew the crime he was committing against me. Then, like, right before I get off. He gets off and is smiling at me. And I'm like, don't smile at me. You just drew a nasty little portrait of me with my mouth hanging open. And that really made me laugh.
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But that's so funny.
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Yeah, I know. I. Have you ever. I don't think I've ever had. Because, like, this is like a classic thing. I feel like on the subway, people. Artists will sketch people. I don't think it had ever happened to me before, but. Have you ever had that happen to you?
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I think it might have happened to me once. Because they oftentimes they'll like, try to get you to buy the picture. Right? That's like the.
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Yes.
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That's like the move they go, I drew this picture. Do you want five bucks? Ten bucks? I don't know if there's inflation, that market.
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$75.
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$75. $75. You have to pay their full back. Yeah, exactly. As an employee. Yeah, but it is. It's always interesting. I. Have you ever. I'm going to answer your question in part with another question, please. Have you ever liked a picture someone has drawn of you?
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I don't even feel like I've had that many pictures drawn of me, if I'm being honest.
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Interesting.
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I will say this guy who was doing it, he was not trying to sell. He was. He was working on his craft. He was doing something. But I'm trying to think of, like, photos that have been drawn of me. The only one that comes to mind is one of my friends, like, senior of high school, who is a very talented artist. She painted a painting of me. I liked the painting and I had it for a long time. And I'm actually. I wonder where that went. But I. I didn't feel like I was gorgeous in it, I would say,
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but you were like, this is a lovely work of art, but it's not like a. It. It's not like a stunning re. Representation of me.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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Yeah. I' a little bit like, oh, that's what I look like to you?
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It's like, oh, that is how you see me. Okay.
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And I'm always like, not always. That is like my go to feeling, though, which is like, not the artist's fault.
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Not at all.
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It's like me not perceiving myself at all. And then when I see a representation of me, I'm like, huh?
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It's completely horrible to be perceived. Obviously, it's. It's bad.
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And I feel that way much more visually than emotionally.
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Me too. Me too.
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I'm like, you know, like, I think there's the. The idea of, like, the mortifying ordeal of being known.
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Right.
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And it's like, I don't mind being known. I just don't like being reflected.
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I don't. I certainly don't like being seen.
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Yeah. I like to. I. When someone's like, I feel seen right now, emotionally, I'm like, that sounds good. But when someone's like, oh, I see you physically, I'm like, no, thank you. Stop that.
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Yeah, let's shut that down. I feel the more frequent version of this that I think I'm sure I've talked about on here before is the photographs that people take of you while you're on stage and kind of how just absolutely harrowing those can be.
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Oh, yes.
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To come into contact with. I think, in particular, because I find. Which I once again understand from an artistic point of view, that people want it to be kind of an action shot often or some type of action happening. So often these photos that people take of me while I'm performing are when I'm, like, mid doing something horrendous, basically. But those are their favorite photos because it's kind of like there's something going on, and it can be really scary.
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As an elder millennial, I do feel like this is a point in favor of the boomerang, because you capture the motion without being frozen into kind of like a hideous cartoon, because you actually get the movement that's kind of fun and a playful.
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I completely agree.
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I did a show in Dayton, Kentucky, which is, like, right across the river from Cincinnati. It was really very fun. All the shows, four shows, really fun. And after one of them, a very nice audience member had sketched all the comedians and showed me the picture of me that she had done. And I was very flattered to have been drawn, and it was a very nice picture. But I am always, like, a little startled to be confronted with my own likeness.
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I know. It's just hard. It's just hard. And we just see. We just see ourselves nowadays, like, so much more than God ever intended us to, is what I'll say.
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Yeah.
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And it's. It's harrowing.
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And I kind of like, I'm okay with a bad photograph of me, which is so weird, because that is what I look like. You know what I mean? When it looks bad, I'm like. When I look disheveled or whatever, I'm like, yeah, well, I guess that's me. But when I see a drawing, I'm like, oh. Someone else also noticed that I'm like,
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well, it's just difficult because with a bad photo, it's like you look at a bad photo of yourself, and you're like, okay, I don't like this, but there's also good photos of me. You know what I mean? You're like, whatever.
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That's a great point.
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A bad drawing. You are once again coming up against the thing of being like. So is this how you see me? Permanently, like, statically in your mind?
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You made this choice for me to look like this. You could have drawn me anyway. My Cubist or impressionist?
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Yes. Let's. Do. I need. I need an abstract portrait of myself painted.
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Oh, this is like, a perfect transition to what I've been thinking about already tonight, which is the Met Gala. Will, did you catch what the theme is? Because this is, like, exactly kind of what we're talking about.
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I know. I did catch the theme. Basically, they have. There's two things, which is that the. The dress code for the event was fashion is art. The theme of the exhibition at the Met that they're, like, putting this all on for is costume art. So the. The two are always related, but they're not necessarily always the exact same. Yeah, the through line of those two themes. So kind of like, I guess this offers people guidance when they're, like, looking into how they should get dressed. Was the dress body. And then they had different examples, which were, like, classical, reclaimed, pregnant, interestingly enough, anatomical and abstract. So those are the ways that the. The dress body can be, I guess, expressed via the theme or something. All right, How. How familiar are you with what happened on the first Monday of May this month?
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I did. I did a little. I did, like, some cursory looking, and I saw some looks that were really fun. Like, I kind of saw the ones that really popped off, like, in terms of discussion, like, I. I thought Chase Infinity's dress was really incredible. The dress was inspired by the Venus de Milo. I don't know. It just. Sometimes you see someone at one of these things, like, especially the Met Gala, where, like, go big is kind of the directive, and they're just not making a creative choice, even if they're wearing a really nice gown or suit. And this one, I was like, oh, I've never seen anything quite like this. And it's really cool.
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Yeah, the dress is kind of like a. Sequins or, like, beaded. Let me not say sequins. Like, they're like. It's crystals.
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No, I think it is, though.
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Okay. Okay. I'm not. It's it's maybe a combination of beads and sequins, and it's, like, almost, like, pop arty. It's, like, really, really bright. And it's basically the, like, a naked body in sequins and in, like. In, like, reds and yellows and greens and blues and. I mean. Yeah. She looks amazing.
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1.5 million sequins.
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Oh, my go. I love learning numbers like that.
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Yeah, me too.
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Oh, my God.
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And that takes so much work. There's, like. You can't automate that. You know what I mean? It's like someone made that garment.
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Yes, they did. I thought that one was really cool. I was so. There was a lot of that, like, the naked body thing or whatever. A lot of people did that. That one was kind of similar to Emma Chamberlain's. Did you see this one? She wore this, like, a mock neck, a full body gown.
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Oh, I did see this.
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Yes. And then, like, kind of like acrylic. It looked like acrylic paint because it's, like, textured and, like, plasticky or painted on, basically. And that was Mugler. The arms went past her hands and had these, like, drapey kind of like.
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Yeah, like, almost feathery.
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Feathery. Yeah, it was very feathery. It was really, really cool.
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And the dress kind of, like, pools around her feet, like, on the ground, like, like spilled paint. It's very cool.
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It was really, really cool. That was cool to see. I've been interested. She, like, Emma Chamberlain has done the. She has the red carpet interviews, and I feel like she's, like, a fashion girl. She always has, like, interesting looks. One of the cool things of watching people at the Met Gala over time is you can see them be more comfortable, like, really making a statement.
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Yeah.
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If I feel like I have this assumption based on kind of how people dress for the Met is that, like, you don't really want to come your first year with, like, a big swing. I feel like, is often how people.
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Oh, interesting. Okay.
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I also think there's an interesting thing of, like, if you're working the Met, like, she's, like, technically doing these interviews that it's like. I wonder if part of it also is, like, in the past, not wanting to, like, outstage the people who she's interviewing.
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I can totally see that. Like, obviously it's like, you want to really do it up. But I think the idea of, like, oh, I'm interviewing someone and I'm going twice as hard as them is, like, a weird look.
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Yeah, completely. I feel like there's, like, unspoken rules that her dress was phenomenal to me. I was really interested in Beyonce, obviously, because Beyonce hasn't been there for. I don't. Let's see. Since 2016. I'm now seeing an encyclopedia. Wow. 10 years. Oh, my God. That's. That really is crazy.
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Yeah.
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And part of the excitement of her coming to the Met gala, obviously, is that people are theorizing that she's about to release or will soon be releasing, act three, because she. They're the fans or whatever. And she has, like, hinted at the fact that, like, she has these three act albums. The first one being Renaissance, the second one being Cowboy Carter, and then the third one is to come, which also, like, people are like, these are like concept albums. So obviously Renaissance was like a, like, what would that like, house disco.
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Yeah.
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Kind of album. Cowboy Carter was obviously country. And people are theorizing that the third act is going to be rock and roll, which we're all very excited for.
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I would. Yeah, I would love that.
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Me too.
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I think I'm like, really excited about that idea. I will say I, like, truly, nothing against the art, but like, Renaissance. And I've heard the Renaissance tour was amazing and, like, so fun, but that's like not the genre that I know and think that much about. Yeah. So, like, it was like really well done. But it's like maybe the. The Beyonce album that I kind of like seek out the least.
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Totally. That. Yeah, that makes sense. It's also like very. It's such a specific vibe. Like, I feel like Renaissance for me is very like, I listen to it like at the gym or like. Or like it's kind of like pre game music or something.
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You kind of have to be in motion.
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Yes. Cowboy Carter. I definitely did a lot more like ambient listening to and that actually was like one of those albums that was like one of my most listened to albums of the year. When that came out. I really liked that album. Cowboy Carter.
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Yeah, I thought it was great.
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But Beyonce wore this like, once again, bejeweled, basically. Like, skeleton dress is really cool. Really, really cool. And I love it. I'm a huge fan of skeleton clothes. Yes. I really am. I think they're awesome. So that was really cool. Just this like gorgeous silver skeleton sheer dress that has like the like bones out of like jewels basically, and then a like long feather cape or like coat. And she also brought Blue Ivy, which was a very big deal because I guess one of the rules of the met is an 18 plus event, basically. So I think that Blue Ivy was basically the first person to ever either walk the carpet or attend the event that was under the age of 18.
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How old is she?
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14.
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Wow.
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I know. It's crazy. Beyonce's whole thing with her family is very interesting. She's so, like, legacy building, which is very cool to see.
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Yeah.
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And I saw a video of someone on the carpet asking her what her favorite work of art is, and she said, my children, which was very, very sweet. Of course.
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That's sweet. Yeah.
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But, yeah, Blue Ivy is, like, 14 and has been, like, as we all know, tearing it up on Beyonce's tours. Dancing.
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Right. She's been bringing her out to perform a little bit.
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Yes. And it's been really, like, she's gotten much more comfortable on stage, which has been very cool. So there's all these, like, evolution videos.
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I remember the early days, people were a little bit, like, mean about it.
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I know, I know. And it's like, so she's 12, by the way.
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Yeah, she was, like, a really little kid.
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She's 12, and she's performing at a stadium concert, so let's be kind to her.
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Yeah. But, yeah, with her mom, who is, like, maybe the greatest musical performer of
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a generation, like, completely. So that's very exciting.
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I. I thought the couple that kind of didn't hit for me, that I had seen and I didn't, like, do, you know, a comprehensive search through, But Katy Perry wearing the space helmet. It's covering her face, and it opens, and you're like, oh, that's Katy Perry.
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Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, the space, as you're saying, the space element is obviously very funny with Katy Perry, due to the fact that she went to space and it was received ultimately extremely poorly by the public. Yeah.
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That's what I thought was funny about her being like.
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Huh?
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And everyone being like, we didn't like this the first time.
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We didn't like it when you were actually up there, girl. We don't want to see it on land.
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Yeah. We don't need to see you as space woman on Earth.
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Did you see Heidi Klum?
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Yes. That ruled. She was like a statue.
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Yeah, she was like a full statue in, like, prosthetics. Because famously, Heidi Klum is obsessed with costume. She has this, like, crazy Halloween party every year where she dresses up. So she basically had, like, stone prosthetics over her face, her entire body. And it looked. I mean, I think it looked really cool.
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It was awesome.
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Yeah.
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I thought that was. I love that. Like, and again, I like any big swing at an event like this.
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Me too.
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I just think it's like, cool to see the kind of, like, heights of ingenuity that people can achieve and, like, heights of craftspersonship.
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Yes, I know. I mean, it's really crazy. Did you see I also really like Sabrina Carpenter's look. Did you see this?
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I didn't see Sabrina Carpenter.
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She basically is wearing this dress that is made of rolls of film, and they're real rolls of film from the movie Sabrina, which is, I guess, her favorite movie.
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Love that.
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And it looks. It looks very, very cool.
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I just found it looks so cool.
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She is fun. Wait, you said you had a couple misses for outfits. Who else? Who else missed for you?
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Yeah, well, the other one is, like, I think the clear. Everybody was really taking shots at this look. Lauren Sanchez Bezos.
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Oh, yes.
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Looking like her dress was like if you were going on vacation with your adult child and their partner and you're meeting them for the first time, like, the parents are meeting each other. That's what it felt like. Like, she was dressed to meet, like, her son or daughter's new partner's.
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Yes. Parents. She just wore, like, a very simple blue satin gown that basically, it looked like it could be, like a prom dress or like. Yeah, it looked like a dress that, like, the mother of the groom or the bride would wear at a wedding. It's like.
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Yeah, but, like, not even at the wedding at, like, the rehearsal dinner.
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Yes, exactly. At the. At the wedding, she would make more of a splash.
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She's wearing rehearsal. Yeah.
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And she is so interested in, like, being famous and, like, going to the Met, which also is like, girl, if you wore that crazy corset at, like, the inauguration, why are you wearing this to the Met?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really go for it. This is the time for that.
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Like, let's take a swing. Right?
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Be a part of the thing that you're at.
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I felt honestly pretty bored by, like, Kim Kardashian's outfit to all say. She basically wore, like, a. Like, a body plate. Like a kind of, like, armored, like, leotard. Like a metal that was, like, fitted to her body and is, like, a copper color with, like, a very basic little skirt attached. And I think someone I. Someone I saw online said this, which I agree with, which is that, like, I just found it particularly boring because I've seen her do that exact, like, body armor thing before. So it's like, this isn't even, like, it could be cool if it was new, but I've literally seen her wear that exact thing before. It's like, let's. Let's Mix it up a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Do you know what you would have worn to the Met if you had the. When. When you're given the opportunity to attend?
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I think for this theme, what I would have had, like a suit. Like kind of a big, bold suit, but with a picture frame around my body.
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Yes. Completely.
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And then I would kind of be clunky and, like, rectangular when I walked around.
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That's really good.
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That's. I think that would be fun.
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I think that would be amazing.
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What about you?
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I think I was surprised we didn't see this. I think it would have been really cool if some. Or maybe someone didn't. I just didn't see it. But if someone did, like a men's sheer suit that was made out of like a kind of like stiff but like, sheer fabric, I think would be really cool.
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That would be cool.
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I know. And it's like the people. People are always like, the men's fashion is so boring. We know this. Whatever.
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Yeah. I mean, Ben Stiller looked like he was at, like, his brother's kids bar mitzvah.
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It's always that.
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Yeah.
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There's. It's always all the men. And then like, Colman Domingo is like, doing something cool.
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It's also like, I always find for men, unless you're doing something that's like a little gender expansive with the clothes, it's like harder to find stuff that is both, like, menswear, like, you know, traditional menswear. That is also cool. But obviously these people have access to everything that exists, so they should do better.
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I agree. But it is difficult. They're in a bit of a trap.
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Yeah, well, it's tough, right? It's like hard enough to get it. You get a nice suit that fits and now you're like, oh, now it has to have a cape and eagle wings or whatever.
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Yeah.
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This was. This was so fun. And, like, thanks for calling my attention to some of those looks I hadn't seen. Those were like, especially that Sabrina Carpenter one is cool as hell.
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I know. She's really incredible. This has been amazing. I'm glad that we went over this. I think it's time for us to turn in. But I want to say goodnight to you, Josh, and I want to say goodnight to. Let's. I'm going to say goodnight to all of the behind the scenes people working at the Met who are really putting it in because it's like, that is just. Yeah, literally blood, sweat and tears are being shed. And I. And they deserve a good night. And honestly, they deserve a really good night's rest as well.
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I agree. And I'm gonna say goodnight to you, Wells. And I'm also gonna say goodnight to Harrison Ford, star of the 90s remake of the movie Sabrina. Sam. Sa. Sa.
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