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Hello. You're about to drift into an episode of the Nightly, a podcast designed to help you unwind and relax. For the full phone free immersive light experience. Visit Hatch Co. Enjoy.
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What a lovely evening. I'm here. And I'm kp.
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And I'm Sophia. Welcome to the Nightly from Hatch. A slumber party for pop culture lovers. Yes.
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That's so it.
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That is it. That is it as heck. Huh?
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Wait, wait. The that is it theory.
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No, that is it. That's. That's our. Let them. That is it. How are you, kp?
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Good. I was in a movie zone these latest days. Just kind of catching up on some classics.
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Oh, fun. Did you watch any good movies?
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Regardless of if they're good or not, I'm just trying to, like, hit them.
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Which ones?
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Like Braveheart.
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Got it.
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Never seen, like, kind of that style. Old, like. That's what I'm trying to kind of get into. But I did also just watch the Descendants with George Clooney and Shailene Woodley. Yes, that's fine.
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I forget if I've seen that, but I'm aware of it.
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Yeah, that's good. That's fine.
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I thought that was. Okay. So amazing.
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That's fine.
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Okay.
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So that's just sort. And I'm hitting some, like, really crazy documentaries because I feel like I've watched just a few documentaries that I'm sure have, like, 20 total viewers. Yeah, I'm just like, in a weird section of prime video where this is just people's, like, sort of thesis videos are coming across my desk.
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Yeah. This is someone screen recording themselves, showing us a prezi. Yeah.
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I just watched this, like, woman who was like, I grew up on a commune and I'm going back to see what's going on. And I was like, okay.
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Didn't she. What was going on?
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They're just, like, sort of living in peace out in the woods still.
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That's literally amazing.
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I know. I've watched too many cult docs where I'm like, so convinced it's gonna turn into, like, some scary, like. And the leader was. Had 12 wives when she was like, no, he was gone.
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The vibes were good. Okay. Love that.
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The vibes were actually kind of good. Yeah. So that's what I've been pop culture loving.
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Okay. Love a ring. I'm trying to think of what I've been pop culture loving. I read a bunch of books. I loved this book called the Ten Year Affair. So good. I read a bunch of books about infidelity. Basically. One was really Good. The other one was also good, but not as good as the Ten Year Affair. So I read that and then I read something called Seduction Theory. Novel, Nonfiction. And then I read a book called Dream State that was really good, but also had some. Ish. I did have some issues with it, but I did enjoy it as well. And yeah, I'm trying to think if I've been like watching anything. I don't really think so. Other than I don't even. I really haven't been watching much, but I was reading a lot.
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Great. Sometimes it's just not a. I really think sometimes it's a cycle where it's like, this is a book season and then there's a TV season and then there's a movie season.
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Yeah. And I'm always open to a book season. I love a book season. I welcome it with open arms, actually.
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Yeah, I think I told you. But I heard that this sci fi book had a bunch of awards and I was like, you know what? This sounds fun for a book club. I was like, guys, I've heard such great things. We're all going to read this. Kind of really cast a wide net. And now we're reading it and it's bad crap. And now my reputation is in the gutter. Everyone thinks I just pick bad books or something.
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You know, I mean, okay, it's embarrassing, but it's also like I haven't read it well and you really don't know. The thing about reading book reviews too is it's like they're all good. Like when you go on like Goodreads or whatever, it's like no matter what the book, it's like a bunch of like extremely positive reviews. So.
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Totally. But this one had like Hugo and Nebula award winning. So I just like something odd is going on or maybe at the end it'll all turn around and it'll all make sense and it'll be the perfect book.
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Maybe.
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Who knows? Well, I think we should get out of our book season and into some TV season.
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Oh, my God.
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Because tonight we're headed to the Hatch Pillow for its library where we can fall deep into some rabbit holes.
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Thank God.
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Completely. Thank God. So I think we share a really common interest. So I'm bringing it to the table today so we can get in deep and see if there's any holes in what we're missing. And that common interest is the TV show Survivor, one of our longest running television shows. Yes. And I want to look up everything about it together and see what little rabbit holes we jump Our little rabbit feet into.
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Let's see.
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Okay, well, this is also interesting. And shout out while we're in book season because Rob Cestorino wrote History of Survivor, a new coffee table, like, oh, cool textbook thing that is coming out in like a little second or two. And my friend was the co writer.
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Oh, my God, that's awesome. Congratulations to them, obviously.
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And now your turn.
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My turn. Someone just told me today that Steven. It's Steven, right? Fishback.
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Yeah.
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Wrote a novel that is like, obviously, like inspired by Survivor and is coming out also imminently. I don't know exactly when it's. Maybe it's out even, but who the hell knows? But yeah, he wrote a novel that's, like, about a reality competition show on an island.
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Okay. These are two separate things for book lovers everywhere. Non fiction and fiction.
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Amazing to know.
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Well, let's get into the history of Survivor, the TV show. If you don't know. I mean, that would be really wild to me.
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We talk about it all the time.
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Yeah. If you just somehow don't know what it is. It is a reality television show where like 18ish, sometimes more, sometimes less, but usually 18 survivors go to an island and stay there for. And this varies too, but about 30 days. And throughout the course of those 30 days, you must vote each other out. You must compete in challenges. You must try and find idols to protect yourself. You must vote yes, and you must make it to the end where all the people you vote out will decide if you're worthy of being the sole survivor.
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Which means you win $1 million.
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$1 million, which it's been a million for a long time, hasn't adjusted for.
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I know it's like it should be high, but it should be 2 million.
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Yeah, but then you see some of these other shows.
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Well, that's. But imagine winning $1 million in 2000 when it first aired. It's like I'd forgotten.
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I mean, that was the thing.
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I still freak out, of course.
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Totally. But now it is kind of like, no, I know I've met some winners of Survivors and they're like, yeah, that's gone.
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Okay.
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Well, used up.
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Okay. I have some clues.
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Of course now I have to get a job.
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I have some questions about that. Of course it's gone. I hope it's gone in investments.
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I think it is.
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Yeah. I hope it's gone into property liquid.
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Or whatever that is. Assets.
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Liquid gold.
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Liquid gold.
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No, but I think what you were gonna say, which is also true, is that sometimes now there's shows where they're like. And you win like $10,000 and you're.
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Like, for psychological torture. They're just being fully psychological tortured for, like months. And they're like. And you would win 20k and you're like.
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And it's split between five people for some reason. So good luck, players.
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Totally. I know. So I will say Survivor at least is holding down a million because I think a lot of places have gone less. It is really interesting.
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I know. I think most or less in Britain.
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Is it true you can't give money to show winners? Let me look this up.
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No way.
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In the.
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Well, you know, one thing about Survivor that makes me really sad is that Jeff, I think, made Sia stop doing the SIA Award.
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I know, I know.
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Which is basically, of course, the beautiful songwriter and singer Sia used to award her favorite contestants with, like, up to, like, at least a hundred thousand dollars. And then they made her stop doing it, which freaking sucks.
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It is wild because the Sia Award used to be, like, just randomly, the singer Sia, who she liked best, who, like, caught her eye, who deserved more.
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Money, and she would give it to multiple people sometimes, too.
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And it was cool because it was like kind of a Miss Congeniality thing, which a lot of other shows have, which are where it's like, yeah, you didn't win the ultimate thing, but you.
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You won our hearts.
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Your game was very interesting. The fan favorite, like, it's just. It was a nice prize to give. And that was 10,000 ish.
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She would give up to, like, $100,000.
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Well, when. When she was getting the chandelier money. When times were good.
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When she had that chandelier money.
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Yeah, when the chandelier money was rich, sure. But now she's got snowman money. She must. But we haven't gotten a hit in the last two years. We got to be reasonable.
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Wait, what did you find out about the British?
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So it's just like, it's a tough, weird gray area here because so many of their shows are on, like, BBC, and BBC is a public broadcasting network. So that money is, like, technically taxpayer money.
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Oh, my gosh.
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So, like, you can't really, like, sort of do that.
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Oh, crap. Yeah. You can't. Yeah.
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So then you kind of can get around it by being like, well, and then also it has to be. You can only give away money if it's, like, ensured fairness, clarity, and no misunderstanding. Misleading promotions, which in America, we love to do all those things, I think. So there's no, like, gambling. They just have, like, some Strict advertising standards authority. So they tend to just not do it. So that's why in RuPaul's UK, they give away, like, those little buttons, the repeater badges.
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Wait, what is that?
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Oh, okay.
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Sounds like first of all, we need to get over to the uk, btw.
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Keep going, please. She can give as much money as she wants. Yeah. So, like, usually in America, if you win a challenge on RuPaul's, you win, like, a $2,500 cash prize or something. But in this, if you win anything, you get a little pin for your lapel, and it's a Roo Peter badge, and it's just supposed to be.
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And what's worth nothing?
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Just. You got noticed.
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Pissing me off. Sorry. I thought that it was gonna be, like, gambling tokens that you could exchange for real money at some point.
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No, it's not. It's a pin. Oh, my God. You're.
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Don't piss me off like that.
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That's the thing is, like, then you have. They're more stable in the uk, where they're just kind of like, oh, we're not expecting money. We're doing it for the love.
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Sure, sure.
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Yeah. Not it. Okay. So we do give a million over here, though, and people fight. People fight really hard for it tooth and nail. And it's a kind of whole. I mean, let's get into the rabbit hole of a million, because sometimes you can use that storyline to your advantage to try and win votes. I'm thinking. Recently we had.
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Yes, Kenzie.
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Interesting. Well, I was thinking interesting character, Gabler.
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Oh. Oh, how he said he was gonna give it all to charity.
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Well, Gabler said he was gonna give it all to charity. He said, because he was a surgeon, I want to say. So he had his own money. Right. And he said, if you give me one the million dollars, I am giving every cent of it to charity. And this was kind of a thing where it was like, oh, people might want. That might sway the vote. People might vote for him to win because he's going to give all that money away.
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Yeah.
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And people caught up with it later just to see if he did. And Gabler's charities, let's say he thought they were charities, but other people were like, I wouldn't have donated there personally. So it was. That was a bit of contention.
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Right, right.
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So that was kind of Gabler's thing where it was like, if you give me the million, I'm giving it all away. And some people, like, pretend that they are quite strapped for money to, like, create Sort of a story for themselves of like.
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I thought what you were gonna say, because I remember this so vividly, was remember the season that Kenzie won? Remember that?
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Okay, I do.
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She's like a hairdresser.
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What was her story with the money, though?
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Well, yeah, basically everyone else, like, they ask you, like, what you're gonna do with the money. And everyone's like, of course I will, like, donate some. It's charity. And it's like, okay, crap.
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Yeah.
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And then, like, then she went and she was like, y', all, I'm paying off my debt. I was like, react. Like, say that. She was like, I'm paying off my debt. I'm keeping the money. Like, I want the money. And it's like, yeah, I. Of course you want the money. And also, it's like, not everyone. I've. Of course. I guess if you're a surgeon or whatever, like, go crazy, hopefully in a way that isn't, like, negatively impacting people. But there are also people who. It's like, yeah, I mean, if you. She's like. She was, like, married and, like, wanted to have a kid, and it's like, okay, yeah, keep that. Keep that million. Yeah.
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And she has a kid now, and she looks incredible.
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Yeah.
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Yes. I think. I mean, I. I follow her on insta, I think. And she just, like, now has a beautiful house and is glowing and has a baby. And I go, that's a. That's a million right there. I imagine. I haven't had a kid. I imagine they cost $1 million.
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I think about this sometimes. They. Honestly, I think I've said this before. They cost more.
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They have to cost more. I'm sure.
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Depends how you do it. But they can cost a lot more than a million dollars. And.
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Yes.
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Anyway. Sorry, I. What was I gonna. I think I lost my time. Oh, wait.
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Okay, this fun fact is, prior to Survivor island of the Idols, dual citizen Americans had to give up their non American citizenship for legal winnings. Oh, true. For legal reasons. To earn their winnings.
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Oh.
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Though the only known case of a castaway doing this is Todd Herzog in Survivor for China.
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Okay.
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But you have to just be like, Well, I. I guess America's just, like really fast and loose with, like, we can just give a million dollars to people, but everywhere else, you really can't.
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Yeah. That's interesting. Okay.
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Yeah. I don't know, but Todd Herzog, I guess gave up his other nationality.
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Okay, we're getting some information from. I'm getting a spiritual download for the. From the. Oh, my God.
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My gods spirit.
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First of all, Todd was Canadian.
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Yes.
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Yes. So that's the other one.
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Yes.
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And then another thing that we're learning is that basically when Survivor first started the minimum age requirement was 21 years old. And I guess there was one exception made for one player who competed on Survivor. China Michael Frost Usernau. Don't know him. And he was 20 years old. Don't remember him. Then in 2008 they dropped the requirement to 18 years old.
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Yeah.
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And then they dropped it again to 16 years old in 2020.
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We've got to get.
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That's because they were getting. In 2020 they were getting desperate. 16 years old is in my opinion far too young to me a favorite Survivor.
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Loud. There's no. I mean, I only. I guess We've had 18 year olds. We haven't had under that. I think the youngest players, the youngest.
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People always get voted out so early. It's like brutal.
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Yes.
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Is. I mean, yeah, the youngest and oldest people often go. But in particular the youngest and a lot of the time I'll say it's because the youngest people are doing some, some stupid stuff socially.
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Totally.
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Well.
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And then they're always trying to lie. Like anyone under I think like 23 tries to lie and be like, no, I'm 26. It's like, yeah, you actually have braces. You're in high school. Yeah, we can see right through.
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Yeah. Going on Survivor at 16 would be so scary.
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No.
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Thinking about the things I was doing at 16 should not. Survivor should not be one of them.
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No way. I would be emotionally wrecked. I mean, that much manipulation and like I was already kind of living everyday like Survivor where I thought everyone hated me and I felt like I was gonna get exactly.
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Being 16 is Survivor. Yes. We don't need to go, we don't need to go to Fiji.
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Just constantly thinking you're not in the right group. You don't have the votes for things. Exactly, dear. Completely paranoid. You can't sleep, you're not eating.
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I'm not eating and I haven't found the idol so.
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So help me.
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I haven't washed my face. My skin is horrible.
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Yes. Although some people, man, I really don't know that it would be me, but some people, when they go to the island, some people end up looking, you know, absolutely disheveled and crazy.
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Some people get sexy.
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Have you noticed? They glow.
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I know. They, some, some folks get sexy.
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They get. Every single day they get sexier. It is so interesting.
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I don't think that would be me. I do not think. I can't imagine that skin part of it. I'm like, what would be going on on my face bacterially? Yeah.
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Because then you're only doing salt water baths too, so my skin would be so dry.
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Shoot.
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Well, I guess maybe it's humid though. In Fiji.
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I'm like, can one of my sponsors airdrop me some lineage?
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If I could just get one.
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Guys, I just need a laneige sleep mask and I will be good to go tomorrow at the competition.
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Happy to win it for us. If I can just get. They should make. Oh, I guess they do sometimes do the spa treatment. So as you as you may know, I did a five day Survivor game in the woods where we like weren't showering and eating. And what I did think was funny is like we had one reward day where it was like, you could win one hot dog to split between two people. You could win like two burgers. Whatever. It was like really meager things. And one of them was like outdoor shower and lotion.
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Yeah.
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And it was day two.
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Yeah. It's like, why would you choose that?
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And people were like, oh, my God, I can't. I need this. I need this. I was like, I need food. Sorry. I've gone. Sorry. More than that.
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I know in my house it's like, I need food way more than I need to shower.
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I would imagine after 20 days, I could see the spa being a big. Of course I'd be nice.
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But I also feel like usually when they do the spa rewards, they also get food.
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Of course, you kind of have to get the food.
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Yeah, I know. But then they're always like, sponsored by like herbal essences.
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Yes. And you're like, oh, some drying. Some drying lotion.
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It's so good. Showering with herbal essences. It's like, yeah, okay.
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Compared to nothing. I do think, okay. She got dragged this latest season and I really didn't even watch. Every single. I dropped off season, I dropped off. But this girl, one of the rewards Jeff brought out on day, like, you know, eight or 10 or something was like peanut butter chocolate candies.
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Yeah.
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Chocolate centers. And everyone was like, oh. And this girl goes, ugh.
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I know.
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And Jeff was so mad. Jeff was like, truly pissed. He was like, I'm bringing out a like a reward and you're not interested. And she's like, this just like, isn't protein and it's.
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I know.
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Like, it's gonna just have a sugar crash. And everyone thought she was being like, ungrateful. Whatever. And I go, no, that would be Me.
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That would to be me. It.
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And I love a little bell pepper. Could we get me a bell pepper, first of all?
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Well, I always think that when they get their food rewards, I'm like, I'm either like, that sounds good or that sounds bad. Sometimes the things they give them sound so bad where it is like, wait, I don't want. Sometimes they give them, like, a bowl of candy, and I'm like, what about some chomps, y'? All?
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Truly.
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And. But then everyone said also that, like, after that, that, that. Because then that girl got, like, totally shafted in the edit and, like, they didn't really show her that much. And everyone was like, it's because she. It's because she won against, like, the peanut butter cups or whatever. I'm like, I don't know if that's.
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What it is, but can we get real? Well, it's probably not that, but I don't know because he was quite offended and I was like, well, it's kind of a detriment. Truly. I'm like, my body, if it hasn't had anything to just eat straight up sugar and then feel like crap the rest of the day and, like, have a sugar crash and be worse off. I mean, whatever. I'll eat the candy.
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Yeah.
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But I do know I'm allowed to complain. Know that I will find something to completely.
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I think this girl's name was Sophie. Am I making that up?
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I mean, you had a 2 in 18 chance. There was two Sophie's this cast.
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And then, like, whatever. They literally, like, never showed her.
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You come for the king, you best not miss. And she missed.
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She missed horribly.
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Editors cut her, cut her out. But then the other side, that I also would find something to complain about. They go, bourbon Burger. Like, heaviest thing in the world. That under regular circumstances would blow my gut.
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No, that is, like, diabolical.
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I know, like, case scenario.
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What happened to chicken and rice? Like, come on. Like, I haven't eaten in five days. I need, like, clean protein and vegetables.
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On a good day. That is, like, mean to do to me. And then I haven't eaten.
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It's like the thing where you go somewhere where it's not a food they make. And so, like, for example, it's always like, pizza. And they make the, like, this pizza that just, like, looks bad, obviously, because it's like, they don't really make. It's like they're in the middle of nowhere in Fiji.
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B
And who made a hot pizza?
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A
Literally, it's like, okay. People are like, literally from, like, the easy bake oven. And then people are eating it, being like, this is so good. And you're like, no way. No way.
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B
Don't trust that. Well, that was the history of Survivor.
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A
I'm, like, really mad about the bowl of candy. Sorry. It's like, dear God. Yeah. That was the history of Survivor. That was all of it.
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B
Everything you need to know, which is you have to give up your citizenship, dual citizenship. If you want to win, you have.
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A
To renounce your native country and. Yeah. Really open your palette, expand your palette.
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B
Absolutely. Well, I hope survivor goes for 50 more seasons. I'll say it.
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A
Me too.
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B
It's a beautiful show to me, even though I have so much to dive into and I haven't even seen every ep and I consider myself a big fan.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So there's a lot to get through.
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A
There is a lot.
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B
But before I get to all that, I think I should sleep. And that's exactly what I'm gonna do tonight because I am getting sleepy.
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A
I feel similarly. I think I need to really rest up tonight so that KP and I both can compete on an upcoming season of Survivor. So I'll talk to you soon. Good night, kp.
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B
Good night, Sophia.
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A
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