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Audio for sleep by Hatch.
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You know how you finish a romantasy and you just need the next thing immediately? Hatch made that thing. It's called Ophelia. An original audio drama inspired by Hamlet where Ophelia finally gets to be the main character. Forbidden magic, a crumbling kingdom, a slow burn love triangle with a prince and his very guarded, very intriguing best friend. The kind of love triangle where you will absolutely pick a side and you will not be quiet about it. Book one of the three part series is now available for free wherever you stream with new chapters dropping every Tuesday. For books two and three, check out Hatch co Ophelia.
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Hey there. I'm Wills.
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And I'm Josh. Welcome to the nightly from Hatch, where your late night thoughts go to rest.
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Josh Wells, it's amazing to be here. As always.
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As always, a pleasure to see you.
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I had a night of a million birthdays this weekend.
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Whoa.
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Have you been having this?
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I have not. Apparently nobody I know has been born
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recently because apparently everyone I know has been born. I literally was like, okay, I know. Every person I know is a Taurus, I guess. Yeah. On Friday evening I had. There were like four birthday parties happening and I made my way to two.
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Two's pretty good.
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Two is pretty good. But I was like, this is out of. This is out of control. I ended up. It was a really good friend of mine's 30th birthday. And so I ended up going to like, I went to help them set the party up early and then stayed for the beginning, left with like five people for an hour to go to another birthday, another good friend, and then came back, which I think worked well, but it's not something done before.
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I don't think this sounds like a good plan. I have a couple other questions, please. How much overlap was there between the two parties?
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There actually wasn't. There wasn't that much. It was like five of us, I think, who went to both, which isn't like tiny, but it's not. It wasn't a huge thing. You know, the majority of the people at both parties were not supposed to go to both.
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Got it.
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One of our friends who we went to both with had came from another birthday party who was another person that we knew. And I was like, literally everyone. Yeah, everyone. And it was also kind of like this lovely evening. It kind of felt like the first day of summer almost. So I was like, wow, it's really. It was a New York night.
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I love it. I think that's fun. And I like, I always feel bad when I Can't make it to everything. I know, but I do love the kind of like breezing around, I know. To a bunch of different things in one night. Especially like when you can take the subway and it's not a hassle.
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And when you're like doing it with other people, it's like, oh, it feels so good. I know. A multi stop evening. It just gives the thing of. You're like, I live in a community. Yeah, it's giving community.
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It's giving community.
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It's giving community.
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I always feel very like, accomplished, like in a. You know what I mean? Or I'm like, ah, I'm making the most of my time on this earth.
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Yes, it really does. Yeah, it's like optimized.
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It's optimized socialization, which I hate optimizing generally. But I love doing a lot of things. I just love doing them inefficiently.
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I know, I know, I know.
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But I. I went to see a sketch show, a sketch comedy show, and it was so fun. It was Girl Mountain show, and they're so funny. And then I went to my friend Laura's going away party. She's moving out of the country for at least a while. And it was like, you know, 20 minutes in between. I like, grabbed a quick snack in between the two things. Popped into a convenience store to bring some beverages to the party. And I was just like, look at me, wheeling and wheeling.
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I know.
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Socializing.
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I know.
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It's so fun.
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It feels so good. I know. When you're like, I guess I have to get the bodega sandwich. It's all I have time for. It's like the best thing in the world.
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Oh, I love it. And I had started the night in kind of a grumpy mood. Like, when I left the house, I was like, I, like, didn't do as much as I'd hoped today. And I'm like, I really. I bought a ticket to this show and I'm not gonna get a chance to see my other friend for a while because she's leaving. So I really should go to both of these things. Even though I'm a little like, meh. And I went out and both things were so fun. And then I woke up the next morning after like a wonderful night's sleep, and I was just like, I'm living, baby.
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It's so amazing when you're like, I'm in a bad mood. And then you're like, what if I go outside? Then you go outside and you're like, wow, I'm in an amazing mood. Or you're like, what if I see like one friend and you're like, okay, it heals it. Really? What they say is unfortunately true.
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It's true.
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It really would. Do you have a night where you're like, that was the busiest night of my life.
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Oh, that's so interesting. I feel like this is such like
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a dopey thing to say, but I'm
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like, I do also love like one big thing. That's the whole night.
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Yeah, of course.
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Especially because I don't love dragging. And I say this because of her taste, not because she's bad company. She's the best company. But I don't love like making my wife zip around to a million things with me.
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No, totally.
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So like a couple weeks ago I did a show. I had like a stand up spot and then met Maris and some other friends at a karaoke thing. And I was like an hour late. But it was also really fun. It was kind of a perfect social event because I don't always integrate well into like a normal party once I. If I've been talking to audiences.
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Yes, yes. Sometimes it's hard.
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Yeah.
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You're like, I still feel a little bit like, amped up. And especially if you're like. Then with people where you're like, I don't really know you guys necessarily like, as well. Like, you're like, I'm trying to like fit the vibe, but I'm coming in with a very specific energy.
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That's exactly right. So this was perfect because I showed up and I like caught the energy of the room while other people performed. And then I was like, okay, I'm ready to put a song in. And it was great.
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Yeah, well, and you're going from like performance to performance, so it's not that big of a, like, recalibration that you have to do.
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Totally. And I didn't have to. Like, there were a couple of people that I didn't know very well, but there wasn't a lot of like, loud music.
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And like, what do you do?
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Oh my God. It's hard. It can be really hard. Loud music and what do you do? Can be really a painful situation to be in.
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It's really tricky. Do you have good. My friend Sarah, who's one of my best friends from college, she used to. I don't know if she still does this when she meet new people. And we haven't met in a long time because we've known each other for 20 years. When she meets new people, she used to Just ask, what's your top three? Lately, just, like, top three things.
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Oh, that's a good one.
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And I find that to be such a charming icebreaker.
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Oh, my God, that is a really good one. I need. I'm a big, like, what did you do today? Which I feel like is kind of, like, boring, but I find, like, completely compelling to hear about someone's day.
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I love it.
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But wait, I wanna know what your top three are.
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My top three, Lately, okay, it's been really nice out. And Maris, my wife, and I have been on weekends, especially taking the dog for longish walks together. And that's really fun. I love that. It's real quality time. That's number one. Number two is NBA playoffs happening in the beginning of the WNBA season. So it's like, easing out of one and into the other. And it's. The Oklahoma City Thunder and San Antonio spurs are playing now, and the season has kind of been building up to this, so that's exciting. And then the Liberty are back, which is. So I have a team to root for. And then the third thing is, I've been watching both of us. Maris and I have gotten really into the TV show Widow's Bay, and it was created by Katie Dippold, who wrote the Heat and the Ghostbusters film with Melissa McCarthy is.
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She's the author of the tweet. You know what I'm talking about.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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And I'm saying that because I've heard very good things about the show. And then if you want to explain, people have been like. And fun fact.
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Yes. So the show. The show is, like, very funny and a little. And also it's getting increasingly, like, tense and scary, which I. I'm not a horror person, but I kind of eased into it with, like, how funny and quirky the first couple episodes are. So now I'm in a nice groove. And so even though I'm not a big scary, I'm, like, very squeamish. I'm really enjoying it.
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But the tweet is.
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I forget the exact text of it, but it is a picture of Katie Dipple, the screenwriter, wearing, like, a top hat and, like, ghostly white makeup and all black and sitting kind of, like,
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forlornly at a party.
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And the text is like, I dressed up as the babadook for my friend's party on Halloween, not realizing that it
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was more of, like, a casual dinner party vibe.
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Okay, wait, I found the source material, so we can do her justice. It's TVT to Halloween. When I Dressed up as the Babadook, but my friend's house had more of a grown ups drinking wine vibe. And as you said, it's. It's them in full, like Babadook sleep paralysis team or whatever.
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So funny.
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And then like a couple people just like sitting there and to me I'm like, that was a. That was like an all time tweet. Enough that multiple people. Because I've heard about this show and everyone I've heard about it has been like. And you know, you know her from the tweet?
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Yeah. Do you have other tweets or like social media posts that you're like, oh, these are seminal cultural artifacts to me.
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Okay, well, I have two and they are both a little bit more niche, but they're really important to me.
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Okay, hit me.
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I'm gonna. I'm gonna read the first one. This. I don't know why this is. Well, okay. It's an Eric Rahil tweet, who I love so much.
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Very fun writer and actor.
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I'm like, cast him in Everything is how I feel. He has this tweet. He says, the sun is setting in nyc. Blue and purple heels paint the sky very artistically. Couples in Soho kiss over whiskey sours. Children in Tribeca dance all crazy. I watch them like a sad dog behind a sliding glass door, trapped in a haunted house that I designed. I will die alone. The line children dance all crazy is like tattoo in my brain. I don't know what it is about that tweet that, like, in that tweet, like, I don't even think it's particularly viral, but it's like, so it's just like a rich text to me.
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That's so funny.
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He literally painted a scene. The other one that I is like, in my brain forever is a Charlie Bardet tweet. I don't know the exact wording, but he goes, and if I said noinky person, you guys would know what I mean, right? And then in parentheses it's like, nevertheless, I persisted. And so now whenever I like, I'm think, nevertheless, I persist. I'm like, noinky person.
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That's so funny.
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Those are the two that have really. No keeper Swanky is in me. And then the Eric one is more of just like a beautiful passage that I think about all the time.
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But my friend Jason Marcus, who's a very wonderful and talented writer, has the joke one that I think about all the time. Because there's some that are almost wisdom at this point, right?
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Like the old drill, tweet about. You see, said the wise man, things that are good and things that are bad are actually the same to me.
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I know some of them. It's like literally like modern day philosophy. Like, like legit.
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Yeah, truly. And then the other one about like, do you know the one about do
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not invent the Torment Nexus?
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No.
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It's like the end of it is like we.
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Every tech announcement is like, finally we've invented the Torment Nexus from the famous sci fi novel. Do not invent the Torment Nexus.
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That's really good. That's really, really good.
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It's so good. But my friend Jason, the one that I think about that reminds me of the Eric Rahil one is when I miss her, sometimes I think I can hear the wind whisper her name. It's like. But that's like pretty good for the wind.
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I know. I love the kind of like a name or like irreverent one.
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Yeah, me too.
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The ones that I've seen that people really reference is like what to them is part of like the cultural zeitgeist, which I feel like is not my experience. It's my little Internet or whatever. But people love the like, you know, the like young hoes one. Do you know about that?
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I don't think so.
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It's like a tweet that's like young hoes cook everything on high.
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Oh, that's funny.
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And so that is kind of like a philosophy for people, I think. And then.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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The other one, I think this one's like a Helena. I forget her last name, but Helena.
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Yeah, I know, I know. Is it the. Should we invite?
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Should we throw a party? Should we invite? Should we invite? Paladin.
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Oh, you only had iced coffee for breakfast. My friend Kath referenced that today. Kath Barbadoro is a very funny comedian
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referenced that we were having like a back and forth online, you know, friendly talking, like, and she used that structure
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and it's like, it's so brilliant. Yeah, Helena really knocked it out of
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the park with that.
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It's so good. Should we have a party? Should we invite Bel Hadid? It really is good because I think
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it's so fascinating to me when something that's like a short text based post or even like a short video, something of it sticks in the way of like like the term milkshake.
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Duck.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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That came from just like one person's tweet. I forget who it was. It was like whether it was pixelated boat or the hippo one. But it was like. I know it sounds so Silly to
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say, but the one about, like, everybody loves the beloved milkshake duck. And then it's like, we are going to inform you the milkshake duck is racist. Of course I'd like to use milkshake duck for that. For like, someone who is beloved and then quickly revealed to be bad news
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is like, wow, what a gift to have that term just, like, at the ready.
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I know, it's very interesting. That's also like, like bean soup. I don't know if you know about that. I don't think it was a tweet, but it's someone online who is basically like, just like naming the thing of. Like, you post any type of thing online and everyone in the comments will be like, oh, well, this doesn't apply to me because da, da, da, da, da. And it's like their whole thing is that they were like, you'll be like, oh, here's my recipe for bean soup. And the comments are like, well, I don't like beans, so what do I do? And now, like, any time, like, the comments devolve into that, there's comments that are like, this is like bean soup theory. Like, whatever.
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That's so funny. I, like, love, because I do think, like, so much, so much bad writing happens on social media channels, but so much, like, really beautiful stuff happens there too. And it's because sometimes it'll be like a person who is not otherwise a writer, comedian, performer. It doesn't even use the social media channels that often, but they'll have like one perfect idea that just like lingers, that just hits. I know, it's so cool.
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I know, it is really cool. It's very interesting because it feels like
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all the old quotes were like, Mark Twain.
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No, literally, it's just like, one guy.
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It's like, well, that's because that's who was allowed to write stuff down in the 1800s.
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Yeah, that's the only guy who had a pen, basically. Yeah, yeah, I know. It is, like, crazy. I had one thing go viral in a way that is not this. It didn't invent new language, but I made a long time ago a video about or and a tweet actually about, like, how I was like, the height of luxury is like drinking three liquids at once. Like, three beverages at once. And that caught on in a way that, like, honestly was, like, crazy and like, even, like, disconcert. Like, I. I'm not saying I invented that idea, but it went very, very viral. And then, like, literally it was one of those things where like, sometimes you Go viral. And then, like, the news reaches out to you and you're like, what is going. You're like. They'll be like, will you come on, like, BBC Australia to, like, discuss this idea of, like, why it's amazing to have, like, three drinks at once? And you're like, what is this? And like, who. It's like, this isn't helping me or my career. Like, who is this helping? It's just like, it's very interesting. And it's also interesting that you can make something like that and you make no money off of it. No money.
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And it's also like, I think there are. I've been thinking about this so much lately, where sometimes things are like a fun little joke that people relate to, and then the joke becomes so prevalent that people start treating it like a real thing.
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No, literally, they're like, this is like theory.
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Yes. Where it's like, the big one that happened. And Rebecca Jennings, who writes for New York magazine, I believe now she was at Fox before, wrote about, like. Do you remember girl dinner as a concept?
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Yeah, of course.
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Of, like, crudite, essentially. And then people were like, ah, what's
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the problematic to have girl dinner? Or, like, girl dinner and what it means for nutrition?
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It's like, no, no, no. This was like a joke.
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Yes. And now we're, like, theorizing about it.
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Right. Where jokes. Jokes mean things, obviously. But then it becomes like, oh, three beverages. You must have adhd.
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And it's like, no, like, literally.
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I don't actually know that you can diagnose someone based on a preference for
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multiple beverages, Especially not a stranger across the Internet.
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Exactly. They're like, three beverages and a diagnosis. It's amazing. But that was the one where I was like. That got out of hand in a way that I'd never had anything get quite so out of hand.
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Yeah, I can imagine.
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It's fine. I was gonna say it's fun. I'm like, it's not fun. It's okay.
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Real quick, before. Before we wrap up for the night, I realized I rudely didn't ask you, what are your top three?
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Oh, okay. Let me think of my top three. My top three. I've talked about this recently. I feel like on here, fresh flowers in the home. It's like, beautiful. Lifts my spirit.
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Great choice.
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I'm rereading. I've also talked about this, but it's the book that I'm slowly rereading and I've gotten back on. I'm rereading Detransition Baby. No, I finished Detransition Baby. I'm back to rereading Another Country. And yes, there's just like, sometimes I. I read a lot of novels that are really fun and engaging, and they're not bad or anything, but sometimes you really read a work of literary art and I'm like, it does hit different. And I'm not gonna deny that. I just think there's something really nice about reading a book where, at least for me, I have to reread sentences and passages to get what's being said.
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And it's really amazing to encounter beautiful sentences that are so rich with meaning. And it's also fun to read a
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book that's the mob boss James Crime twiddled his fingers in his lair and it's like, okay, that's fine too.
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Exactly. It's all. It's all fun. And then. Oh, and then I have my third. And this is so good.
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Number three.
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Yeah, my third is. I've been electric city biking and I mean, it feels absolutely fantastic. It's just. I like. I city bike to Greenpoint today. I city biked all over the city this weekend and it's just been so nice.
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Yeah. Just breezing. Just breezing down the street. Yeah, that's beautiful. I love that feeling. And that's such a nice, relaxing feeling, right? Of just kind of zipping through town, gliding down the street at night, nice breeze. I'm feeling great. And I think it's time to say good night. So good night to you, Wills. But also I would like to wish a good night to both screenwriter Katie Dippold and the Babadook.
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Yes. Yes. I want to say goodnight to the two of them as well. I want to say goodnight to you, Josh. And I want to say goodnight to Eric Rahi Hill and Charlie Bardet, who you guys have written things that have imprinted on me in ways that you could not possibly imagine. So good night to everyone.
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