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Audio for sleep by hatch. Hello everybody and good evening, I'm kp.
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And I'm Oscar. Welcome to the nightly from Hatch where your late night thoughts go to rest.
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The lovely Matt Bragg is still doing stand up. He's touring. So the lovely and wonderful, hilarious Oscar Montoya is joining us again this week in the pillow fort as my co host. Thank you so much for being here, Oscar.
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What a treat, kp. Thanks for having me.
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We have been gabbing ourselves to sleep this whole week talking about media. But I want the listeners to know we do other things outside of our TVs. I promise it happens. We're not just always consuming media you've never heard of and then distilling it down into opinions for you from time to time.
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We do tend to leave our houses to, you know, just live in the world.
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Yes. I recently just got back from. It's been so, so long since I took like a little trip with my high school friends and so we got, I mean some of them have kids and lives and we're all spread across the country. So this is just a rare opportunity we got to have to go on a little trip. And I just got back, it was lovely.
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Where did you go?
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So we went to a beach town in Connecticut.
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Fun.
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And the entire time was rained out. Completely rained, didn't even stick. Not a singery. A single toe got into a sand on the beach. Not one single digit. But like here's my thing. Would I love to be on the beach? Yes. Do I need to spend multiple hours on a beach? Personally, No. I can get in and get out quick. So I kind of got to do my ideal scenario which is we got to stay in and play a lot of games and like go out to dinner. I mean it was just like chill zone, no notes.
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10 out of 10.
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Right.
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Perfect way to spend the day.
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Everything happens for a reason. And I was like, absolutely. We got to just go to one little dinner, have some seafood, watch a ton of movies. We watched the whole Twilight Saga start to finish.
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Okay. Can I say something?
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Yeah.
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I don't want you to be mad, but Twilight is the only book that I could not finish.
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I can't be mad at you. I won't because I've never read it.
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Oh well, now I'm curious to watch the movies. I haven't seen the movies. I always do this thing where I want to read the source material before I watch it. But I've realize that I will always set myself up for disappointment because in my experience reading the book was a Far better experience than watching the movie. So maybe I should watch Twilight first and then maybe read the books later. But also, why bother reading the books?
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How many times out of 10 do you like the book more than the movie?
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I would say probably 9 out of 10 times. I prefer the book over the movie. It's just, like, better in your imagination, I think. Or sometimes I get hung up on weird casting details where I'm like, no, she has blonde hair in the books. Why is a brunette playing this part? Which are not important at all.
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Yeah, I think sometimes in this genre, dare I say these original YA books aren't that good. I think the Twilight books are not known for being good. And I think the movie legitimizes them in a bit of a way that is like, okay, I kind of felt that about. I liked the Hunger Games books when I was younger. I thought, they're good books. But the movie, I go, they knocked it out of the park for me.
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Yes, that. Actually, kp, that is a rare instance where I said, the movies are just as good as the books.
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Yes, I think so. I thought the books were good and the movies were great. I just like Jennifer Lawrence. Really? They found gold when they found her for that. They just didn't have anyone doing, like, I don't know, this stoic, rude survival character that wasn't like, dry, sarcastic, like, boss babe. Like, I don't know. She just, like, really was just like, I don't have time for anything other than surviving. And it was so good.
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Cause it could have been. Oof. It could have been so bad. Oof, oof, oof.
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It could have been bad.
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But she really delivered. She had a sense of maturity about her that I was like, oh, yeah, this is great casting. And no wonder. She's a huge star for a reason.
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Very. I thought some of the other ones was like, I don't know, she just made everybody look good, too. I was like, she's caring.
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Do you remember the Divergent series?
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I sure do. Yeah.
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Now, that was where I, like, loved the books. And I saw the movie. I was like, oh. Huh. Okay.
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I know. And it is hard. I wonder there, too, if it's like, unfortunately, Hunger Games again. It's like, it was just nowhere near. I mean, you watch the Divergence and you're like, that just is trying. It's not as good.
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It's trying so hard.
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Yeah.
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But, kp, let me ask you this. How are you consuming the Twilight movies? Is it sort of the. Like, you're aware at how, like, sort of campy it is. Or are you, like, really taking it seriously? Like, yeah, how are we consuming Twilight?
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Well, I was not. I am not and was not, like, a Die Hard fan. It doesn't come up in conversation for me. There are some people where it feels very meme nostalgic to be like, bella, wherever the hell have you been? Like, all of that is not my story. That's not my story to tell.
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Okay.
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It's same with Shrek. I go, no, I go, I know that this meant a lot for a lot of you because of the way that you continuously bring it up. And I love that you found something. To me, it didn't hit in that exact way. I thought it was really funny and cool, but I don't find the need to wear a shirt.
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So me you're talking. I have a pair of Shrek Crocs that are. They're my prized possession. I love Shrek. Shrek. Shrek hit me in exactly the right way.
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I'll never say a bad word about it because it is so funny. Like, I'm not. And it's not camp funny. It is just legitimately funny, I think. What about it really hits the hardest for you? What do you love about it?
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Everything was so funny. Like, I have never guffawed as much as I did with Shrek. I was like, oh, the ginger. Yes, the. Oh, my gosh, look at. Look at this take on the gingerbread man. Oh, my gosh. She sings so high that the bird explodes. That's so funny.
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One of the funniest ones.
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As a kid, you're like, I've never seen that before, you know?
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Yeah.
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And for me, it was just very formative. It was just weird in a way that I was like, yes, this is me. This movie gets me.
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You know, what I really appreciated is it assumes that children are smart, which they are.
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Yeah. Whoa.
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Shrek is there. It is not holding your hand through the funny bits. It is making old school references, too. It's like, there is a lot of stuff that is, like, that is not something that most kids have seen, but they'll grow into that joke. And that, I think, is why it stood the test of time where it's like, there's just legitimately smart. It's assuming that kids, like, can go A to C. It's like, yeah. You don't have to know exactly why that happened, why he said he's making waffles. It's just funny that he said it like that.
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Exactly. Yes.
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I think Mike Myers is also very, very, very funny.
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I Think the casting is like a 10 out of 10. Eddie Murphy as Donkey is genius. Cameron Diaz as Fiona, like, yes, it all hit everybody. Every single detail hit. But okay, so Twilight. You're not consuming Twilight in this way?
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No, I would say I haven't seen the. I've maybe seen the first movie four times since it's came out. And then past that, maybe I've only seen the rest once. So this was my first rewatch because my friends from high school really, it hit for them, they love Twilight. They like referencing it. They enjoy the feel of that movie and rewatching it, I go, wow, wow, wow. It is bizarro town.
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Is it?
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It's just the, like mood board for. It was so all over the place. Acting performance wise, it just is to the wall. I mean, they're just. Their color contacts are bright as can be. They're. They're totally playing for the back row. Even though we're filmed. It's just really fascinating.
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It's breaking a lot of rules, huh?
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Totally. The script is odd and it grows into itself. I'd say it starts making a little more sense, but then right when it makes more sense, it stops. Like, they have their honeymoon. They're 19, by the way. You see a lot of like the influences from the writer come into play here and they have to take a break because he's porking her so hard that she's bruised all over. I mean, it's bizarre.
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My gosh.
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What? That's 30% of the movie. Of that movie is like vampires, when they get into it, are too strong. I don't know.
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Cause, wait, she's not a vampire, but he is.
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At that time, she's not.
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Oh, at that time.
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And then she gets pregnant and then decides to keep the baby. But the baby is part vampire, so it's sucking her life force out of her from inside.
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God, that's just too much. That's a lot.
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I know. It's a lot for like a young audience. I don't know. That was really. It was. It was an odd weekend watching all those. But I was like, okay. I feel like I needed to get through that to remember what was going on there.
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How many movies are in the Twilight canon?
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Five. Isn't that something?
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Five. How many books are there? Five books.
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I think four books. But the last book was broken up into two movies.
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What is the deal with that?
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Harry Potter started that, right?
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Yes.
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I don't know. That was a real fever dream part of. But then we did watch right after. Let's go Back to what we're thinking here. We watched Ever After. I assume you loved this.
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I have not seen it ever.
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Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. Well, this is fairy tale esque.
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Okay. Well, there we go. That's all you had to say. Is that the one with Drew Barrymore?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Oh, and I also love. Oh, I also love. See, I was like, fantasy book reading kids. Like, Ella Enchanted was my favorite book forever.
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Read the book, didn't watch the movie.
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The book hit harder than the movie for me on that one. The book I would reread and reread. But I loved, like, medieval fantasy stuff as a kid. So Ever after is not really. There's no fantasy really too much in it. But you're gonna love it.
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I'm excited to see it. Okay, that's my homework. I gotta see Never After. Have you seen Princess Bride?
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Yeah, I think I saw that too early and I didn't get what the hype was about. I'd like to rewatch.
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That's a movie that is so hyped. I've never seen it. And the only reason why I haven't seen it is because my last name is Montoya. And so as soon as people find out, they hit me with the, you know, my name is Indigo Montoya. You have killed my father, prepared to die. And it made me just have a sour experience. And I'm like, I'm never gonna watch this.
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This kind of falls under, like, dad movies where it's like, yeah, your dad showed you this movie and said it was the funniest movie of all time. And so everyone our age was like, it's the funniest movie of all time. And I was like, did you just hear that from somewhere?
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Or do you think that it's someone tell you this?
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Who told you to say that? Because I'm not laughing. I don't know.
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Who's paying you to say this?
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The association of dads watching movies paid you off. And I. I smell that. I don't know. I should give it another chance now, because they must. There must be something.
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What is a movie that your parents are obsessed with?
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For me, we were like, more of a music family. I mean, dodging the question, but it is like we were more of a music family. But I'd say the VHS that got the most plays in my house were the Mel Brooks's. Oh, Young Frankenstein, Jan Frankenstein. We loved Robin Hood. Men in Tights. We liked the silly Mel Brooks movies.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah. What about you? What was the, like, the VHS of the of the childhood.
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Oh, my gosh. Oof. That's a tough question. Well, I grew up watching horror movies.
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Oh, amazing.
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A lot of that. The howling was huge. That the demons was huge. But like, something that isn't super scary, you know, Weirdly, my dad was obsessed with watching. Drives me crazy.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Which is like, not a movie. I mean, my dad is, like, not. He's like a very macho guy. But for some reason, he owned it on dvd. Like, my sisters did not own it. It was my dad's dvd. And he would watch it anytime, like, on Sundays. For some, it was something soothing about. I don't. I don't. It's one of the biggest mysteries of my life. I don't understand why he was so obsessed with that movie. And I don't think I like, saw the movie because my dad loved so much. I was like, this is we. I. This is weird. This is a weird. My. My dad is weird because this. Because this specific.
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Yeah, well, Adrien Grene. And that was cute as can be.
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And of course, we can't forget the music video. The Britney Spears music video.
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We cannot. A little trivia as I'm looking into this. Drive me crazy. Did you know it's adapted from a book? The book is called Girl Gives Birth to own Prom Date.
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That's horrifying.
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Girl Gives Birth to Own Prom Date.
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And it was published that way. And they said, yeah, that sounds good.
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That's what I'm seeing. And I guess that they're saying she created her prom date. Like she turned her grunge neighbor.
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Okay.
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But I'd say I'd send that to an editor. Right?
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It seems like a Sun headline, you know?
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Mm. Yeah. That is interesting. Okay. I mean, those movies, that time period of movie. The High School prom crush, all of that was so good. My movie I've seen the most times in this world is she's the man.
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Okay. Kp. Okay. I have never seen that movie. And I need to. It's.
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If there's one thing I can leave you with.
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It's so embarrassing because I'm obsessed with that era of Amanda Bynes. Oh, my gosh. I was obsessed with Amanda Bynes.
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It is what got me into comedy. I did not know. It really is. I attribute it. Without that movie, I would not have gone towards anything funny. I don't know. I mean, maybe my soul would have just found it, but it's like, of course it's. She is. I could speak forever. She is one in a generation. Talent comedian at that Age to be. Be able to make these scripts which are not that good. I think she's the man is honestly a good script. But there's other ones she was in where I was like, without her, you do not have anything.
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A movie.
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Yeah, you don't have it. And this one, the casting was good all around. Channing Tatum was very, very good in it, too.
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Channing Tatum is in it?
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Yes. It was his first movie, and Amanda Bynes fought for him to be in it. And without her, he's nothing.
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Wait, this was pre Step Up.
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Let me check on that. She's the man was in 2006, and Step up was in 2006. Maybe it was at the exact same time. But he read for it, and she was like, this is the guy. Trust me.
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Well, what's odd is that, yes, Step up was, in fact, second. She's the man was first, folks. Wow.
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She's incredible. And he was incredible in it. I mean, it is just so funny. David Cross is in it. It is funny.
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And it's based off of Taming of the Shrew, I believe Twelfth Night. Oh, Twelfth Night. Okay. But there was, like, all of these high school versions of Shakespeare plays.
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10 Things I Hate about yout was Taming of the Shrew, which. Also incredible.
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Okay, now that one, I've seen a bunch.
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Yeah. Watch it over. I love dilfs, and I. And that was hard for me to say because, you know. You know that those are my two most important things I need you to watch.
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I would love for you to create, like, a KP Essentials watch list. And both of them would be in
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there, 50 seasons of Survivor. And then I love Dolph. Yeah. This is just. I loved this era. It was really. She's all that.
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She's all that. Oh, my gosh. What's the one with Cisco and Kirsten Dunst? Get over it.
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Oh, my God. I don't know if I know this.
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Wait, are you serious? That was in the style. I think it's like the less popular Siblings.
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Oh, it's Midsummer Night's Dream. This is based on Midsummer Night.
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Was everything based off a Shakespeare play back then?
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Did you know this before you brought it up, or no?
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No, not at all. I was like, what else is in that, like, genre? And Ben Foster as the man. I need to rewatch this movie.
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Oh, Ben Foster. He was everywhere, wasn't he?
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He was everywhere.
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Okay, so this says, get over it. It was the 2001 film based on Midsummer Night's Dream. And what is our plot here? A high School student who's down on his luck. After losing his girlfriend, he resolves to get her back. He quits his basketball team and auditions for the school play. And he finds out the path to true love is never simple. Mm.
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Wow.
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Don't I know it?
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Don't I know it? Don't I know it?
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Is Cisco our lead here?
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No, Cisco is sort of like the affable buddy Ben Foster. I think Kirsten Dunst is the lead and Ben Foster is like the guy. And of course you had the dramatic ones, like O. Do you remember O? Oh, my gosh. It's Othello. It's like a teen Othello.
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A
Oh, my God. Is this Julia Stiles?
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With Julia Stiles and Josh Hartnett.
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I'd like to watch this, actually.
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Now I gotta see all of this stuff.
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Oh, my God. There should be like a Shakespeare offshoot. Watch along.
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There should.
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Why isn't there like, that would be really fun. Of just every 2000s movie that was just pulling on Shakespeare. Of course we have Lion King, Hamlet.
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That's right.
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Of course we have that Shakespeare fear.
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They don't make them like this anymore.
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No, they really don't. I do think we're entering now. We're ready for silly high school movies again.
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I think it's time.
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I think there's been a few that have been like, okay, that's almost getting somewhere.
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The last high school comedy movie that I remember is Easy A. But that was a long time. Or was it? I don't remember when it was made.
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Actually, Easy A was 2010.
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2010. Oh, my gosh. Time for high school comedy.
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I know. I heard Lisa Frankenstein was maybe good, which was a few years ago.
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I did see that. Yeah, I thought it was good. Yeah. Directed by Robin Williams daughter Zelda.
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Really? Okay. Yeah, I heard good things. Bottoms is a high school bot.
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Of course. Yeah, Bottoms.
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Okay. Well, folks, if you're. If you're thinking about making one of those movies, we'll watch it.
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Yes.
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Make sure it's loosely based on some Shakespeare and I will definitely watch it. Just loose. Pick one of the ones we haven't
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heard in a bit of the Tempest, you know?
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Yeah, I bet there's some good things we can pull out of that one. I don't know. King Lear. There's something going on, I bet. Of course.
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A winner's tale.
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That could be good. Well, it is also time to say goodnight at this. At this hour. And I want to say goodnight to the incomparable Julia Stiles. Actually.
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B
Yes.
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She has a really interesting way of acting. And I think she's also got kind of a low energy thing, which I like. I think sometimes it has some stick moments that stick out. But I actually, what I remember from watching her movies back in the day, I was like, she is really, she's kind of low energy in a fun way where it's like she's not giving more than she thinks you need.
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Yeah, it was very cool. She's cool. Yeah.
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Cool girl. So good night to her.
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Yeah. You know, KP talking about Julia Stiles made me want to say goodnight to the hit PBS show Ghostwriter. Which I don't know if you, if you know that, but Julia Stiles was in an episode of Ghost Rider as a hacker and I do remember watching that and like learning about the Internet through that show. And PBS should produce more scripted television shows like Ghostwriter. So good night to Ghostwriter and pbs.
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Oscar, I want to say goodnight to you too. Of course. This is our last recording for now. This was a wonderful week. I had such a blast and I want everybody to go find you in all your other places. Where can people find you?
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You can find me on social media at Ozymo O Z Z y m o. You can also follow my Drag Race podcast, Drag her at dragher podcast on Instagram and my Eurovision Song Contest podcast, your evangelist at your evangelist on Instagram.
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Amazing. Well, thank you so much again, Oscar. Dreaming of you.
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Oh, that's a Selena song.
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Absolutely.
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Good night.
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Good night. Sam. Sa. Foreign.
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