Bozoma Saint John: Don’t Ask, Just Do

Summary

The Nikki & Brie Show

Episode: Bozoma Saint John: Don’t Ask, Just Do
Date: January 19, 2026
Host: Nikki and Brie Garcia (SiriusXM)
Guest: Bozoma Saint John (Marketing executive, author, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star)

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Episode Overview

In this lively and inspiring episode, Nikki and Brie welcome Bozoma “Boz” Saint John—a trailblazing marketing executive, author, and television personality—onto the show. The conversation dives deep into Boz’s philosophy on living life with intention, balancing motherhood and a high-powered career, her approach to wellness and health, and her experiences on reality TV. The episode’s driving message: Trust yourself, live boldly, and “don’t ask, just do.”

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Introducing Bozoma Saint John [01:06]

• Nikki and Brie set the tone, celebrating Boz as a multifaceted powerhouse in both her personal and professional life.
• Boz expresses gratitude for the energy and accolades:
  “If it is someone who is asking me and they look like they are maybe not trying to give me my full credit, then I’m a lay it all on them, you know what I’m saying?” —Boz (02:20)
• She adapts her self-introduction based on the audience, sometimes giving “the full, like, boom,” or playing it down as “just your girl next door.”

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2. Routines, Mindset, and the Importance of Structure [03:06]

• Boz’s daily routine:
  • Sleep: “I must have eight hours of sleep. Like, must. Otherwise I can’t go full throttle the way I need to.” [03:30]
  • Bedtime strictness: Boz is in bed by 9:30, still following the habit since her daughter’s early years.
  • Morning rituals: Wakes at 5:30 for quiet time, prayer, or meditation. Avoids immediate rush to emails/texts.
  • Workout: 6 days a week, 7–8AM.
• Brie relates: “If I don’t get enough sleep, I’m grumpy, I can’t function.” [05:12]
• Nikki highlights the importance of carving out pre-kid solo time each morning.

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3. Parenting Through Loss and Building Resilience [05:52]

• Personal story: Boz shares the impact of her husband’s passing when her daughter was 4.
  • “With any sort of death, divorce, like, you know, disruption in the home life, things can really feel like unmanageable… So for me, structure wasn’t just about being a strict parent. It was about adding structure so that she could count on something.” [05:55]
• Shared calendar: Boz empowers her daughter (from age 5 and up) to communicate what’s important, allowing her to influence Boz’s schedule:
  “If you tell me that this thing is really important to you, I will be there. And she could count on that.” [08:35]
• On advice and guidance:
  “A lot of people want to advise you, but they’ve never been in your shoes… It was noise. Out, everybody out. I’m going to have to adjust per the moment and the situation so that I could be the best parent possible.” [08:55]

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4. Giving Yourself Permission to Ignore Opinions [12:28]

• On societal expectations and unsolicited advice, especially as a public figure:
  “I am wholeheartedly against that. Whether you’re a public figure or you’re, you know, at home and only know three people… People always want to give you opinions about your life and how you should live it.”
• Boundary-setting:
  “You also have to train the people in your life where your boundaries are, and they should know whether or not their input is necessary.”
• Boz’s personal mantra:
  “Stop asking people… Don’t ask people about your own life and start listening to yourself about your life and you’ll be a much happier person for it, believe me.” [14:44]
• Nikki’s takeaway: “My new mantra is going to be don’t ask.” [15:06]

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5. Co-hosting ‘On Brand with Jimmy Fallon’ [16:29]

• About her collaboration:
  “He made it very clear that I legitimized the show given my resume and experience… He was very, very intentional with making sure… he wasn’t just running the show, but also learning about marketing and about competitions.” [16:40]
• Character praise:
  “Jimmy Fallon… is exactly who you think he is. He’s wonderful… The amount of times that he commented on somebody’s work during filming… was really wonderful to see.” [18:53]
• Chemistry on set: The co-hosting dynamic is both authentic and fun—with real reactions on air, such as the now-famous “Munchbox” idea for Dunkin Donuts. [19:32-22:26]
• Boz loves idea generation and the creative energy, paralleling her exec career where everyone brings her ideas.

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6. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills: Representation Matters [23:13]

• Boz joined the show to represent women at important life stages—late-30s through 60s:
  “Women who are in their, you know, late 30s, 40s, early 50s, mid-50s, are dealing with a unique set of situations… I joined not because I was like, oh, I want to get on TV and fight with women, but because I was like, no, this is important storytelling.” [23:29]
• Advocates for representing “the corporate girlies who have made their money, who are living fabulous lives because they made it.”
• Emphasizes mutual respect among the cast and acknowledges everyone’s different journeys.

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7. Health, Wellness & Hone Health [27:54]

• Motivation:
  “I will be 49… I do care about my health and wellness, but… I’m also that girl who drinks champagne out the bottle with the straw.” [28:11]
• Health priorities include internal wellness, hormone knowledge, and prepping for IVF while navigating perimenopause.
• Importance of personalizing wellness:
  “You might do well with spinach and kale and like, have your green juices and that might be wrecking my system… You have to actually know what works for you.” [31:05]
• Boz and hosts celebrate Hone Health for enabling deeper personal insight and agency, especially valuable for women in their 40s and up.

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8. Living with Urgency and Intentionality [34:03]

• Boz’s book, The Urgent Life:
  She wanted to write about the reality that “you can have loss and you can have grief and overwhelming grief, by the way, and still find success.” [34:03]
• Life philosophy via Diane Ackerman’s quote:
  “I don’t want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it.” [35:22]
• She challenges listeners to live all-in:
  “I want people to look at my life and see the width at which I’m living so that it doesn’t matter how many years I’m here… Every moment of my life, I want it to feel big.” [35:25]
• Urges: “If you’re doing something that makes you have the Sunday scaries or makes you not want to get up in the morning, girl, Quit. Stop doing that… Don’t wait for anything… Do it right now.” [36:43-37:41]

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9. Intentional Parenting & Raising Strong Daughters [40:09]

• Gift-giving evolution: Experiences, not objects. Her daughter plans and pitches birthday trips, gaining real-world skills and facilitating quality time and memories.
  • “My gift to you is going to be a trip every year for your birthday. You pick where you want to go, you give me a good rationale for why you want to go there… you’re going to create the itinerary, and then my job is to execute.” [41:40]
• Boz teaches rigor:
  “I don’t take it easy on her… The ideas come with your best argument. I’m not taking it easy on you.” [43:16]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On boundaries and trusting yourself:
  “Stop asking people… Don’t ask people about your own life and start listening to yourself about your life and you’ll be a much happier person for it, believe me.” —Boz (14:44)

• On navigating loss and motherhood:
  “I went from trying to manage her to managing with her.” —Boz (07:13)

• On living intentionally:
  “I don’t want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it.” —Diane Ackerman, quoted by Boz (35:22)

• On living urgently:
  “Don’t wait for anything. You know, if you’re in a bad relationship, get the out. You don’t like your job, girl, quit. You want to expand and, like, try a new hobby, go for it. Don’t wait six months… Do it right now.” —Boz (37:29)

• On wellness and self-knowledge:
  “You don’t know [what works for you] unless you go in and explore it because just Googling ‘healthy diet’ is not going to be good enough.” —Boz (31:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:06] – Intro and Boz’s multifaceted career
• [03:30] – Boz’s daily routine and the value of sleep/quiet time
• [05:55] – Parenting after loss, building structure for resilience
• [08:55] – Rejecting unhelpful advice, trusting your intuition
• [12:28] – Giving yourself permission to ignore opinions
• [16:40] – Working with Jimmy Fallon on 'On Brand'
• [23:29] – Importance of women’s stories on RHOBH
• [27:54] – Prioritizing health, hormone knowledge, role of Hone Health
• [34:03] – Boz’s book and her guiding life philosophy
• [40:09] – Empowering her daughter through “gift presentations” & travel

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Tone & Style

The conversation is honest, empowering, funny, and deeply personal. Boz exudes confidence and candor, offering practical wisdom while keeping the vibe “happy-hour with your best friends.” Nikki and Brie are warm, engaged, and add their own relatable experiences, making the episode feel both intimate and inspirational.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking motivation to live with intention, adapt through adversity, and take charge of both personal and professional journeys. Boz leaves listeners with permission to trust themselves, ignore unwanted input, and embrace the fullness (“the width”) of life.

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Standout Affirmation:
“I don’t want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it.” —[Diane Ackerman, shared by Boz, 35:22]

Boz’s Mantra: Don’t ask—just do.

Transcript

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[Bose St. John]

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[Nikki]

All right, everyone, welcome back to the Nikki and Bri Show. And today's guest is someone who truly does it all and does it with style, confidence, and purpose. She's a marketing powerhouse, a cultural taste maker, a a brilliant storyteller, mother, beauty founder, and a fan favorite on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. You've seen her on On Brand with Jimmy Fallon, and most recently, she has earned an NAACP Image Award nomination. And you know what, Bri? On top of all of that, she's passionate about health, empowerment, and knowing your numbers, our kind of lady. That's right. Which makes her a perfect fit for today's conversation. Please, please welcome the fabulous and fearless Bose St. John. Hello.

[Bose St. John]

Thank you. What an intro. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[Nikki]

Oh, my gosh. Yes.

[Brie]

You can take Nikki wherever you want.

[Nikki]

You know, I'm a good MC right.

[Bose St. John]

Here in my little pocket right here.

[Brie]

Bose, thank you so much for coming onto the show. You know, I love when women wear many, many hats, and I'm curious because this happens to Nikki and I a lot, but how do you describe yourself to people?

[Bose St. John]

Ooh, that's such a hard question. You know, I think it depends on the audience. If it is someone who is asking me and they look like they are maybe not trying to give me my full credit, then I'm a lay it all on them, you know what I'm saying? I'm giving you every title, every accolade. I'm going to smile, mother you with my greatness. If it is somebody who's already like, oh, my gosh, you're so amazing, then I'm like, I'm gonna give it to him a little light, you know what I mean? But it really, it depends on the audience because I can give it to you, like, full, like, boom. Like, I want you to pass out and be like, oh, my God, I can't even look at her directly, you know? Or I might be like, I'm just your girl next door. That's all.

[Brie]

I love that.

[Nikki]

I Love that. I feel like we can do that too.

[Brie]

I think we do.

[Nikki]

And that's such a great point, like, knowing your audience. Okay. Because you do so many incredible things and you're like such a badass. Brie and I, we were talking about this earlier. We were like wondering, what is your routine? Like, how many hours of sleep do you get at night? How do you prep for things? How do you get in the right mindset when you're gonna like, take over a boardroom or like the show that you're hosting with Jimmy? What's the whole prep and routine of that?

[Bose St. John]

Yes. Okay, so first of all, again, I think to thy own self be true, right? There's. There are some people, I believe, who don't need a lot of sleep. I am not one of those people. Like, I must have eight hours of sleep. Like, must. Otherwise I can't go full throttle the way I need to. Right? Like the gears aren't turning, the things aren't clicking. Like I'm not as sharp and fast and fierce. And so I must get my rest. Now. Here's the thing, is that when my daughter was born, of course, everybody was like, sleep when the baby sleeps. And we all know that that's impossible, right? But after she turned, let's say like five and she had a more regular sleep pattern, then I could actually follow that, you know? So at nighttime when she went to bed at 8:30, then I was like, okay, I got an hour to get my stuff done that I couldn't do while she was awake. But I have to be in bed by 9:30 and I still abide by that. She's 16 now and I still do that. So you will find me asleep at 9:30. Don't bother calling me. Don't try to reach me if you're texting me. I'm not texting you back. You know what I'm saying? I will see you in the morning. But then I do wake up early because I need that quiet time to get with myself. So I wake up at 5:30 in the morning every morning. I don't go on email or text right away. I really try to be quiet and pray or meditate, whatever it is that I need, or just sit there and absorb what's about to happen in the day, right? I work out six days a week, so usually from seven to eight. And then I come home, I judge myself up and boom, to the races.

[Brie]

I love that. See, I'm like you. Like, sleep is very important. It's so important. And if I don't get enough sleep. I'm grumpy, I can't function. I just feel like I'm foggy brain. So I'm like, you. Like, 9:30 is my latest. Like, I go to sleep between 9, 9:30 and, you know, I like to be up at 5:30, but usually it's more in the 6:00 clock hour. But I just feel more like I can accomplish a day better. I feel like I'm just everything, like everything functions better.

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[Nikki]

And I do feel like, as parents, it is important to, like, wake up before your kids to get some of that solo time before you start the day so you can, like, lay out.

[Bose St. John]

Right.

[Nikki]

Your own foundation.

[Brie]

I agree. Do you have a strict routine with your daughter?

[Bose St. John]

Yeah. Yeah. Because I just believe that. Yeah, I think. I think order helps, you know, it gives confidence. I will tell you this, which is sad, but also, you know, it's just the reality of my life, which is that my husband passed away when My daughter was 4. And I think with any sort of death, divorce, like, you know, disruption in the home life, things can really feel like unmanageable. I think to a kid especially, I mean, us adults, we get completely blown apart. Right. So for kids who are looking to you to add the stability, like, it's almost even more necessary to add some structure so they have something to depend on, you know? So for me, structure wasn't just about being a strict parent. It was about adding structure so that she could count on something. You know, it's like there was too much disruption that already happened in our lives. Everything had blown up. You know, I moved us from New York to LA right after he passed away. You know, it's like I was on a plane constantly traveling because I was working my ass off. Sorry, can I curse? I'm sorry.

[Nikki]

Of course. Yeah, we curse a lot.

[Brie]

Yes.

[Bose St. John]

All right, good. You're my kind of girls.

[Nikki]

Yeah.

[Bose St. John]

But it just felt. It felt like in order to make her feel secure, there had to be structure so that she could count on something. And that didn't mean that, like, I was home every day, you know, it just meant that I also brought her into the life that I was living, you know, I mean, that's one thing about my motherhood that changed a lot after my husband passed away was that I went from trying to manage her to managing with her, you know, Meaning that even at 5, that I was like, hey, look, mommy's gonna be up and down these airways, you know, and if you need me to be at your thing or whatever, the Thing is, like, if you need me to be at home at 8 o' clock so I can read a story to you before you go to bed, you tell me, right? And we'll put in the schedule. Now, the thing is, I think a lot of parents don't trust their kids with that kind of responsibility. I had to. And so I was like, hey, look, don't abuse this thing now, okay? Because I can't be home every day at 8. I can't be at every basketball game. I can't be at every parent teacher conference. I can't do it because I've got to work, okay? But if you tell me that this thing is really important to you, I will be there. And she could count on that. And so that meant that she had to be able to have access to my calendar and even at 5, and she had to be able to inform it and influence.

[Brie]

That's incredible.

[Bose St. John]

So today she knows that if she's like, hey, look, Ma, I need you to be here at this time, I'm going to be there. And she can count on that.

[Brie]

That's incredible. You know, when you go through something like that, was, was did you guide yourself or did you have help in that guidance and in that information, or did you kind of seek that on your own?

[Bose St. John]

You know, it's like a combination of things. And this is like a much bigger conversation, to be honest with you, than we have time for right now. But I will say it this way succinctly, which is that a lot of people want to advise you, but they've never been in your shoes, you know, and those aren't people who hate you. They're not people who want the worst for you. They want to help you, you know, so they're going to try and advise you on what to do, how to do it, when to do it, where to do it, all of the things. But they have never been in your shoes, so how are they going to tell you? And so I recognize that everybody, you know, the nice answer would be, oh, yes, I got a lot of help and I asked a lot of people how I should do things. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't. No, because my home is my home. It's different from your home. My kid is my kid different from your kid. I'm different from you. So what's going to work for you is probably not going to work for me, okay? And so, yes, we had to get like therapy for sure. Because let's not, you know, let's not underscore therapy is important, so we had to deal with our grief and all of the things in a very professional way. But for me it was really important that as far as our home life went, our structure went. How I parented her, it was noise. Out, everybody out. I'm going to have to adjust per the moment and the situation so that I could be the best parent possible. And that still applies today, right? I've never been the parent of a 16 year old before. This is my first time, you know what I mean? But my 16 year old is different from her friends and the way they parent. And so I can only parent mine and I have to parent it in the best way that I can. And so I'm constantly evolving and trying to react to different situations so I can be the best version of myself to her.

[Brie]

I can see now why everyone fell in love with you on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Like, I mean, we've always known you're inspiring, but it's just you're such a strong woman and I always love talking to women who live it. It's like you can hear from so many people of like what you should be doing and how it should be done. But when people have been through it and they tell you and they give you their experience, like I have goosebumps everywhere. It hits harder.

[Nikki]

Well, and I feel like you've given the best advice ever. Like because I'm a single mom now in a way through divorce and, and I'm so sorry about your husband. I can't even imagine going through that with such a young child. But your advice has actually been the best and I'm so excited for our listeners to hear this. It, it's so true because you can get advised by so many people, but unless you're in our shoes or we only know our own situation and our daily routine and she gets on me for not getting a part time nanny, but I always have felt like no one knows my kid like me and like we're just doing the thing and he gets it. Mommy's always working.

[Brie]

You always look knee deep in a lot of things.

[Nikki]

Well, and I am, but that's just how it's gonna be till he's old enough not to, you know, need me so much. But, but like yours get literally was giving me full body chills because I'm like, no, that's exactly, that's it though is no one like I could tell someone that like this is what I need. But in they don't get it because they're not in my shoes. And I. I just loved everything you said. That, like, hit me to my core.

[Bose St. John]

Oh, well, I'm so glad. I'm so glad, because I think sometimes we need to be given permission to not listen to other people. You know, I think our entire society is based on people giving you their opinion about your life. And I am wholeheartedly against that. Whether you're a public figure or you're, you know, at home and, you know, three people, it's like, people always want to give you opinions about your life and how you should live it. And I think if you're a public figure, obviously, it's a little bit harder because so many people have opinions about your life. I mean, certainly it's my new experience on Housewives is that people have so many opinions about what I do and how I do it and if I should do it. And so I'm learning how to manage that. But I am thankful that I have many decades of experience of literally ignoring everybody about what they do, including my mom. You know what I mean, who is a very opinionated person. Look, okay, homegirl has every single day. Oh, my God. You know, I think you also have to train the people in your life where your boundaries are, and they should know whether or not your. Their input is necessary. I will tell you right now that, like my sisters, I have three sisters, three younger sisters, my mom, my dad, my cousins, my best friends. No one gives me input about how I should run my life because they know already. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like. But that's also because of my own action. You know, if you always go to people, asking them what they think, guess what? They're going to give you the opinion, and then they're going to tell you unsolicited. So stop asking people. You know what I mean? It's like you should listen to your own intuition, listen to your own spirit on what it is you need in your life. Don't ask people their opinion, like. And look, all my besties will tell you that, like, when it is time for me to pivot or change jobs or whatever. I didn't ask anybody their opinion on whether or not they thought I should take this other job. I didn't ask not a nary person their opinion whether or not I should join the Housewives. Now, everybody had an opinion about that for sure, you know, But I didn't ask for it, and I certainly didn't take it. So I think part of it is also practice in being disciplined enough to stop asking people for their opinion on your life. Don't ask them what you should wear to the next party you go to. Don't ask them if you should date that person. Don't ask them whether or not you should take that job. Stop asking people about your own life and start listening to yourself about your life and you'll be a much happier person for it, believe me.

[Brie]

Love that.

[Nikki]

Oh, my God. Amen to be. My new mantra is going to be don't ask. Like, I just need to put it on my. What is it on goodness. My bathroom mirror. Yeah, don't ask because I, I do that a lot. And then it messes with me. It's like, oh, okay, well, I was feeling this, but I guess, all right, you know.

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[Brie]

Well, that's why it made it perfect for you to be on the Housewives. But let's talk about the other show that you're doing with Jimmy Fallon on Brand with Jimmy Fallon. How has it been working with him?

[Bose St. John]

Oh, my gosh. Well, first of all, let me tell you something, okay? You would think that somebody who has had that much success for so long, right? Doing it the way that he does every single night on the, on the Tonight show, being able to be witty, sharp, that he would not need input on how to run a show. But I was in for the shock of my life when first he asked me to co host with him and then second, he made it very clear that I legitimized the show given my resume and Experience. Right. But that wasn't just, like, cheap talk, you know, that was him asking me my opinions on a lot of things. That meant every morning before we went to set to shoot, we would go through the day and he'd be like, bose, would this happen in real life? Like, what is your opinion on this assignment? Like, how should we change it so that they can be better at the creative? Like, he was very, very intentional with making sure that he wasn't just running the show, but also learning about marketing and about competitions in that way. Right. And I have found a bestie, Jimmy Fallon. I mean, he is exactly who you think he is. You know, he's wonderful. And even to the point I've told several friends this and I'll share it with you, which is that there were 597 crew members on this production. Jimmy. When we would walk on set. Right, right. I mean, and several times I witnessed this. Somebody's over here, like, nailing something in the corner, right? Not even facing us to the wall, like, nearly. He'd be like, hey, bud, you're doing a great job. Like, the amount of times that he commented on somebody's work during filming, I mean, it was just. It was. It was really wonderful to see that even somebody of his caliber, his success still pays attention and is still very human and very empathetic, not just to me, but to every single crew member. It was beautiful. I really, really love that, like, a lot.

[Nikki]

He is. Every time I've met him. You know what I love is that even when we've done his show and we're not these A listers, but he still makes you feel worthy of being there and, like, gives you the same excitement and the feels of if it was Brad Pitt walking in or Angelina Jolie or Taylor Swift, he still treats you exactly the same, with the same enthusiasm, and I love that. And I have to say, you two, like, because it's hard when they put people together for co hosting.

[Brie]

You never know the chemistry.

[Nikki]

Chemistry. So good. It's really good. I get why you got your nomination and congrats on that. But, yeah, it's really good.

[Bose St. John]

Thank you. Thank you. No, you know what's so funny? He said that I want to get this right, but he. He. He did an interview once where he said that, you know, given my caliber of experience and of course, the sort of, like, the attraction of the show, he. He knew that it could work, right? That, like, I'm bringing experience. He knows that the sort of the math of the show will work. And he was like, and even if we got along just a little bit, he was like, it was going to work. But the fact that, like, we are, like, you know, so tight and we worked off of each other, you know, was so brilliant. And the thing is that, like, you know, Jimmy is. I believe that in another lifetime, he could have been a marketer for sure, you know, because he loves ideas, he loves creative, he loves brands, he likes people's. He just likes for people to come up with ideas. And so I'm like, hey, look, that's where we intersect. And so I think that's what comes off the screen, is that we are. We're really enjoying each other and we're enjoying the show. We're enjoying the process of these creatives coming up with ideas. And so all of that is very real. There's nothing for us to manufacture because every reaction is real. Especially when homegirl on the show, we were doing a project for Dunkin Donuts, right? And her idea, she called it the Munchbox. And when I tell you that Jimmy's reaction in the moment, I literally had to, like, stab him in the side to be like, cut it out. You know, like, don't laugh right now. And he was like, munchblocks. I was like, child. I don't know why she called it that, but she don't know what it means. She's innocent, you know what I mean? But it was such a reaction. And what I also love is that, you know, in my daily life, like, before I was on TV and I was a cmo, depending on what company I was working for, people always had suggestions for me constantly. You know what I mean? It's like when I worked at Pepsi, people were always like, oh, I have an idea for a new beverage. You know, you guys should really try Pepsi with nutmeg, you know, or whatever the damn ingredient was that they thought. Or if I, you know, when I worked at. At Apple, oh, Lord have mercy, I'm telling you, everybody had an idea for what new app or, like, how the phone should work or whatnot. When I was at Netflix, people always pitching me ideas for TV shows and films. So that's just been my professional life. So now being on the show with Jimmy, in an environment where we have brands come in who pitch their brief and say, hey, look, this is the sort of challenge that we have. Y' all fix it. And. And now these contestants are just spitting out their ideas. Fantastic. And have the audience at home have their ideas too. Everybody have an idea, you know, and that's what I really love about it because it's. It's like an idea generating type of space and it's so much fun.

[Nikki]

So fun. And you're just. You were, like, meant for the role. You're just such a powerhouse, and it's so inspirational. Like, when I think of, like, those companies you're running, I mean, massive corporations, like powerhouses. And it's. And it's amazing to then see it mixed in with the Beverly Hills Housewives, because you come in and you're like. Like you're your own person and boss. Yeah, seriously. Which is like it. Which I've seen like, a few. I. I tend. I. I haven't seen like, all of the Real Housewife seasons, but what's funny is when I do catch Housewives, I always watch Beverly Hills because I think you guys are the most entertaining. And a few of your stuff. I'm like, oh, this is so good. Like, so good. Yeah, it's really great.

[Bose St. John]

It's. It's been so much fun.

[Nikki]

Oh, I bet. Oh, I miss when we did Total Divas. Like, I miss being with the girls, even though of course we'd have our arguments, but, like, we all loved each other deep down. And I miss. I miss, like, classifications and I miss all those little things.

[Bose St. John]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's part of what makes this show so special. And part of the reason why I joined is that I do think that the stories of these women at this time in life is actually really important, you know, because. Yes, of course. Like, we all know the entertainment business. I mean, I was a CMO of Netflix. I understand the math of, like, having young women as a part of storytelling and having them as the aspiration. However, like, women who are in their, you know, late 30s, 40s, early 50s, mid-50s, are dealing with a unique set of situations. You know, whether or not you are, you know, dating and, and married or having challenges in your marriage, divorce, separation, having kids. Kids are growing up. There's different challenges with that. They're leaving home, you have aging parents. There's. Oh, there's so many things. And then you have to get to your girlfriends.

[Brie]

You know what I mean?

[Bose St. John]

It's like there's. There's enough that is going on in our lives at that particular age, age demographic that I think is really important storytelling. And so for me, it was. I joined not because I was like, oh, I want to get on TV and fight with women, but because I was like, no, this is important storytelling, you know, and I thought my own contribution was important because I'M like, hey, look, like, we also need the viewpoint of a woman who has created her own career, you know, who has earned her money herself. And that's no shade to anybody who married into it. But I'm like, yeah, we see them, so let's see us too.

[Nikki]

Yes.

[Bose St. John]

You know, where, where are we? Like, where are the corporate girlies who have, who have made their money, who are living fabulous lives because they made it? And so for me, it was like. And that's why I, even though I'm coming in with a plethora of experience and yes, boss energy, I still respect the women who are on the show. I still respect them because they have had their own challenges and their own issues and they are in particular points in their life that I think is really important to also highlight. And what better than to have a group of friends who can help advise you as you go through a certain time in your life? And so for me, it's, I think it's not just like, you know, entertainment for entertainment's sake, but I actually do think it's great social discourse and that's why I enjoy being a part.

[Nikki]

Yes, for sure.

[Brie]

I mean, I think, you know, we're 42 and it's so great to see, like you said, the stories of women in their 40s and going into their 50s, where their kids are at, but also where your bodies are at. Like, there's so much change you go through.

[Nikki]

Well, and the housewives, they have it all the way through the 60s, which I think is so incredible. And like you said, because when you're in your friends groups, we have friends. I'm a career woman who's raising my, who's divorced. And then I have friends who don't work and they raise their kids and their husband makes the money. And then I have, you know, people that do this. So that's what I think. That's why I've always been drawn to the Beverly Hills Housewives the most, because there is. Everyone's on their different journey and you guys are more like a sisterhood. And I really enjoy that. And then you brought in. I get why you're the fan favorite. Because they were waiting for like the corporate girly, like, finally boss in la. Because there are the boss in la. So, like here, like, you know, it was, it was amazing and perfect and.

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[Nikki]

This kind of flows into. Our next question that we want to get into is of course Hone Health. Yeah, yeah. And how is your. Because we obviously we're with Hone Health too. We're obsessed.

[Brie]

We love them now going through, you know.

[Nikki]

Yes, right. How have you loved your journey so far with them?

[Bose St. John]

Oh, my God. So here. So let me tell you full context. Okay? So I will be 49.

[Brie]

You look incredible.

[Bose St. John]

Thank you. Girl, you know, this is a lot of work. Okay. Yeah, I do care about my health and wellness, but, you know, I'm also that girl who drinks champagne out the bottle with the straw. You know what I'm saying? Like, so don't look at me or your, you know, for all the goals. Like, you know, my goals are different. However, I do love, I love my physical body and I want it to be strong for as long as possible. Yeah, I want the internal mechanisms to work properly. And so I want to know what's going on in my body and understand what works for me, what doesn't work for me, what will make me optimal and. And the best version of myself that I can be. Especially as I get older, I'm in this weird flux in my life where I'm in a new relationship. We're going to get married this year and we also want to expand our family. And so I'm on an IVF journey while also battling perimenopause. Girl, there's a lot of stuff going on up in here, okay. Like my hormones and my health, you know, internally is critical. And so that's why when, you know, I partnered with Hone Health, I was like, oh, no, this is not just like, just a fun good time, you know, just to like, oh, let me get some information. It's like, no, this is critical. Critical to this moment in life. Critical to how I want to be in 10 years from now. But also that, like, I really need to understand what's happening, what's going on with these hormones inside of my body. Right. Let me figure that out.

[Brie]

Oh, I agree. I couldn't believe when I got my results back, everything was off. And it explained so much of how I was feeling. And I have been on this journey for almost a year, and it has changed my life. Like, my energy, how I feel, how I work out. And, like, we're winos, so we're right there with you. Like, we're gonna pop our bubbly, have our rose and cabernet. I'm like, yeah, it's been hard to be dry, Jan, this month. I'm like, I don't know if I'm gonna survive.

[Bose St. John]

I didn't even. I didn't even attempt. I didn't even try to do it. Okay, good for you.

[Brie]

I know. I'm like, looking at the calendar, I'm like, there's a lot of time left till February.

[Nikki]

Seriously. Oh, my gosh.

[Brie]

But it was. I will say, I, you know, I'm not afraid to get my blood taken. I think a lot of people, when they hear that's the first step, they're like, cuz my husband's terrified of needles. But it was the greatest first step I ever did change my life.

[Nikki]

You want to find out what's going on inside? And good for you for wanting to expand the family and what's amazing companies like Hone Health, like, you get to figure things out. And as women, like, in our 40s, we still can do all the things and do it right and be healthy. And so I love that. That's. That's incredible.

[Bose St. John]

I think it's so important, you know, that, you know, it's like when you look back at old tv, you know, and, like, the Golden Girls, you know, and they were all about her age. Can you imagine? You know? But they were made to, like, look and feel so old. But we're a new breed, you know? And so I'm like, hey, look, like, how do we represent this aging process? Even better. You know, this is not about, like, the eternal fountain of youth. Like, I'm not. I'm not chasing youth, okay? I am so much happier than I was when I was 26. All right? But at the same time, I want to be able to continue to be the best version of myself for as long as possible. I want to enjoy this life. And so if I can do that by better understanding my body, then let me do that. And that's why I Think home health is so great because it's helping me to better understand my body and what I need. Because, look, you might do well with spinach and kale and like, have your green juices and that might be wrecking my system. And so I'm like, hey, look, like I need something different from you, you know, but you don't know that unless you go in and explore it because just googling, like healthy diet, you know, is not going to be good enough. You have to actually know what works for you. And that's why I so encourage everybody, especially women, to engage in this space and to really be brave, you know, to. To know. Get to know your body.

[Nikki]

Yes. Amen to that. That's so true.

[Brie]

I agree. It's the greatest gift I could have ever given myself.

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[Nikki]

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[Brie]

Oh, my gosh. This has been. I just love talking. I feel like we all need to meet in person and get some wine.

[Bose St. John]

Absolutely.

[Nikki]

I would.

[Brie]

We could spend hours talking.

[Nikki]

Immediately, immediately immediate.

[Brie]

And maybe I have to wait till February or maybe not, I don't know. But I feel like I could talk to hours. But Nikki and I, we always end our show with a little inspiration and affirmation. Is there a quote or any type of mantra you live by?

[Bose St. John]

Oh, my God. Oh, okay. Glad you asked. I wrote a book called the Urgent Life. Oh, my gosh. And the. The book, you know, it was like I wrote it because everybody wanted me to write the, like, how to get to the corner office in heels book, right? Like how to succeed in corporate. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I might write that some other time. But I wanted to write about my grief, about loss, about Love about all the things. Because I think people assume that in order to gain success that nothing bad can ever happen to you. You know, that, like, life has to be perfect in order to have a perfect life. And that is not. That's simply not true. And so for me, I wanted to write a book that expressed the fact that you can have loss and you can have grief and overwhelming grief, by the way, and still find success. And in the epitaph of my book, yeah, I put in a quote by Diane Ackerman, who's an amazing author. Love her. But listen to this quote. And this is like, literally, like the. If I could sum everything down to how you should live, this is it. Okay. I don't want to get to the end of my life and found that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it.

[Brie]

Oh, my God, that just give me chills. That is so good.

[Bose St. John]

Wow. Because it's like, look, the. The. When I was standing in the receiving line at my husband's funeral, he died four days before his 44th birthday. And everybody, everybody said, oh, I'm so sorry. He died too young. Which I agree with. However, this quote makes me think about how I felt in that moment, because I don't want to die. And people are saying, God, she could have done so much more. She could have lived so much more. I want people to look at my life and see the width at which I'm living so that it doesn't matter how many years I'm here. Like, I want you to look at my life and be like, God damn, that girl is living. You know what I mean? Every moment of my life, I want it to feel big. And that's why even sitting here in this conversation with you, I am all in.

[Nikki]

Yeah, you are.

[Bose St. John]

You know, there's nothing distracting me. Me, I am here in this moment. I am enjoying talking to you because I may. I'm going to enjoy the width of this conversation, and the rest of my day is going to be so much better for having talked to you.

[Brie]

Wow.

[Bose St. John]

And so for me, it's like every day needs to feel like that. And it's not that. Like, we need to be doing these. Like, you know, you need to go have freaking, like, climb a summit of a mountain in order for. To feel the width of your life. But, like, enjoy your life, every moment of it. And it's like. And if you're doing something that makes you have the Sunday scaries or makes you not want to get up in the morning, girl, Quit. Stop doing that. Because we don't know how many years we have, and it shouldn't feel morbid. It should actually be inspiring to us. So that's what I got from my husband's death at so young of a time was that, like, we don't know how many years we have. So let it inspire you to not wait. Don't wait for anything. You know, if you're in a bad relationship, get the out.

[Brie]

Right.

[Bose St. John]

You don't like your job, girl, quit. You want to expand and, like, try a new hobby, go for it. Don't wait six months. Say, oh, you know what? Maybe it'll be better in six months. Girl, you don't know if you have that.

[Nikki]

Yeah.

[Bose St. John]

So do it right now. And that's the only way that I like to live. So I know it was a long answer.

[Nikki]

No. But that is the best way to live. And, like.

[Brie]

And the best answer I think I've ever heard.

[Nikki]

I think ever.

[Brie]

You're such a special gem.

[Nikki]

You are.

[Brie]

And just, like, the light that we need in this world. Like, I just hope everyone can hear you speak, because it's incredible.

[Nikki]

And just that changed my mindset, the width and, like, to be all in on things. So it makes your day better. Like, we have this day, gorgeous day. And I know we're going to go on our power walk later, and we're going to be like, whoa, that was like, the greatest conversation.

[Brie]

And let's go get a glass of wine, too.

[Nikki]

We're going to break dry jam. We're going to talk about the things. But honestly, like, it's super, super. Like, you're just so inspiring in so many ways as a mom, as business. Yeah. Businesswoman. Even as a reality start. Like, just all the things you do. Like, you inspire you. Just your truth. Like, and I love that you're light, your truth. You're you, and you feel that. And I'm just grateful that you gave us the time of day, too, coming on our show and spreading the light and love.

[Bose St. John]

So I'm so happy to be here. And I love you, too. Okay. Thank you, fans. A long, long time. And I really am inspired by the way you live your life, too, because you've been through so many iterations. You know, people always ask me about the pivots in my life and the career that, you know, has sort of taken its turns, but you have done that, and you've done that in public.

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[Bose St. John]

You know, which is a very difficult thing to do. So I admire both of you in the way that you're living and the decisions you've made. Because there's no wrong decision as long as you make it right. Right.

[Nikki]

Right.

[Bose St. John]

I am honored that you would have me and spend this time with me. And I am absolutely coming over there.

[Nikki]

Yes.

[Bose St. John]

And we are going to have ourselves a little drink after dry January. And I will tell you all of the other dirt on the housewives that we need to know, please, about all the things.

[Nikki]

I got a lot of questions.

[Brie]

We would love that. We'll take you. Have you ever been in Domain Caneros out here? Because we're in Napa Valley.

[Bose St. John]

No.

[Brie]

Oh, you like bubbles?

[Nikki]

Oh, good bubble spot.

[Brie]

It's a good.

[Nikki]

And you could get caviar, too.

[Brie]

And the view. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You will love it.

[Bose St. John]

You're speaking my language. I am there.

[Brie]

Yeah.

[Bose St. John]

Okay. I am there.

[Nikki]

And I have to say, too, because I was stalking your Instagram, your daughter, how she presented her Christmas list. And I'm like, now? I'm like, of course. Because look at her mom. Like, that was incredible.

[Bose St. John]

No, but let me tell you this, okay? Because, like, you know, because we're raising kids, we should know this information. Okay, here's the thing. And you have this as well as I have this, and a lot of people do, but it's like, look, we have the ability to give our kids a lot, okay?

[Brie]

Yep.

[Bose St. John]

And when she was. When she was three, like, her third birthday, I remember it so clearly that she had a mountain of gifts. You know, it was like, gifts from me, gifts from her dad, gifts from, you know, her grandparents, her aunties, her uncles, friends, every. She had gifts everywhere. Okay. Three months later, you could not tell which. Where the gifts go. You know what I mean? What? She discarded them. She's not paying attention. And so at that moment, I decided there were going to be two things I was going to do. One, I was not going to throw a birthday party or give her gifts for her birthday unless it was, like, a milestone. Right. And for that, I wanted her to present basically a experience. And so I said, okay, look, my gift to you is going to be a trip every year for your birthday. You pick where you want to go. You give me a good rationale for why you want to go there. So you're going to present it. Okay. Love it. You're going to create the itinerary, and then my job is to execute on the itinerary. So I'm going to make the things come true as long as they make rational sense. So we started doing that from when she was 3, and then I Was like for Christmas. Now Christmas you could get some gifts. Okay. But you've got to also present these gifts and why you want them so that there's rationale about why I should go and spend my money to buy you these things.

[Brie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bose St. John]

And we have done it every year consistently since she was 3. And so now the birthday trips have been, they've been so fantastic. Like I, this past one we went to Australia and I was so emotional coming off of it because, you know, I told her I would do these trips until she was 18 and we just finished 16. And so now I'm just like, holy crap. When we started this, it just felt like I had years and years and years and now I'm staring down as we've got two left. Oh, you know, and. But we have so many amazing, incredible memories of the two of us on these trips, these adventures. And you know, I am so grateful for the habit of that.

[Nikki]

Yeah.

[Bose St. John]

And it's, it's really been life affirming for me too. So it's not even just like the gift to her, but it's a gift to me. And I'm so glad that, you know, I've been able also to create a little presenter and honestly, seriously, as a result of it.

[Brie]

Oh, she's really up.

[Nikki]

I was like gonna kill it. You're such an amazing mom. I was looking that and I'm like, wow, she's can already run a company at this age. Like geez.

[Bose St. John]

Oh, and, and Nikki, let me tell you something, I don't take it easy on her, okay? Like this is not like, oh, cute. No, no, no. I'm out here, I'm hammering her, you know, which does make. And so I'm like, no, absolutely not. Try again. Haha.

[Brie]

Yeah, you know, oh my gosh. Oh my God.

[Bose St. John]

The ideas come with your best argument. I'm not taking it easy on you. So we don't.

[Brie]

I love it. That's how you make strong women, that's for sure. So I love that, you know, my husband will do to my daughter if she wants to watch a show. He's like, read three chapters, write a book report. You have to give it to me and I'll let you know. And she did it the other day and he's like, you just like threw it in. He's like, that's not good enough. He's like, I know you could do better. She like started to cry and I like sat there and I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm like, Brian, it was pretty good. He's like, no, I know she can do better. So she went back in her room and she did. She came back and we got more detail. She did better. And so there's something to it. Yeah, it's cute.

[Bose St. John]

Oh, I love that.

[Brie]

Yeah, I love it. Well, thank you so much for being on the show and for all of you who are listening, you can see videos from today's episode on all our social platforms. So at the Nikki and Brie show, Instagram, Facebook, Tick Tock. You can also see videos on our YouTube channel. And you can also hear this on SiriusXM Stars109. And if you have any questions, call us at 833 Garcia too.

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[Bose St. John]

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[Nikki]

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